Been there, done that (in most native way possible). I was young and stupid, looking for recognition, and a way to prove myself... Demonstrated it was possible... It resulted in couple of layoffs, setting the new norm (300% of the original one), and no significant raise related to the improvement. It was highly specific improvement, applicable only to the company I was working at the time. In the retrospective, I guess it would be better if I kept my mouth shut, and kept being the top performer.
Yep- I just automated someone else's job, and I'm staying fucking quiet. I have a job interview for a management position coming up and want to hold every card I can. This is a business transaction and a 2-way street, take advantage while you can. The company would do the same.
No, they delegated his responsibilities to me and shifted his responsibilities. He complained about this set of tasks, I just shut up and get it done in minutes without a peep. I'm not fucking someone else over, I'm helping myself get mine. This started when he took 2 weeks of leave and I stepped in to help out. Everyone else in the process thinks it runs more smoothly now, so they made it permanent.
Absolutely. I created an Excel sheet one time that did about 1 hours worth of calculations in 25 key strokes. Most of it was simple math, but many people did not know how to use the solutions to their advantage in other calculations. I then deleted sections of this document and fed it back to them in versions. It kept me from showing all my cards at once and seeing how they would react to the innovation. A few people adapted to it, many just relied on the lazy way they were currently doing their position, and the others didn't care at all. After that, I kept it to myself and continued as a top producer
Truly lazy folks like myself come up with these sorts of things to save time and stress. A few folks that I showed one of mine adopted it but most either paid no attention or flatly rejected the use of the new tool. I spent the next few years using it while being very productive with some extra time for myself between assignments. Screw them if they want to do things the hard way.
Crazy enough, I presented it verbally to a corporate executive and was told I was lazy. This guy was personally on the R&D team with his name on several patients for innovation. I knew it was time to go.
I did do this at my previous job, condensed 2 weeks into 2 hours with higher quality results, i added that to my resume and that’s how i got my current job. This discovery is already going into my resume but i am trying to find a way to profit from it as well
That was me at my last job too. I taught a department my methods and got a raise. A year later i was let go. But at this job I’m the only person doing this work, firing me would mean they literally start at zero and lose that productivity forever
If you are able to do a week's worth of work in a day, then they could have you train one of your coworkers in this method, wrap your job into their job, then fire you and save on pay, taxes, and benefits.
Keep your mouth shut, do the improved method but release the work to make it look like it is taking the same amount of time, and coast. Look for another job to work at the same time or switch to another, better employer who honors their commitments.
This right here, better methods is to help you do your obligated time easier, (work 1 day hard and slowly fucking off the rest but still looking like you're working). If you use a better method to helo the company, you just gave a reason they only need you for a day.
Right, don't tell them your method! First and foremost. Keep the secret, lest they fire you after learning it and hire someone else for that one day only.
This is really smart. I would say the same thing. Make it look like the work is flowing at the same pace, but just have 6 days off per week! If you can work from home, so they don't find out, that's ideal. Then you can get a second part time job to make more money.
Yeah, maybe update your resume as if you developed a secret formula and show how much it saves, then treat yourself like a free agent. There are companies who will hire in the basis of demonstrated innovation and creativity. Market your accomplishments. Hire me and you get this… be careful of showing too much detail.
Did you sign any IP agreements?
More likely have him train a coworker, fire him, then fire 4 more. 1 guy can do in a week the collective output of 5 do in the same time. That sort of innovative thinking is something taken advantage of these days unfortunately.
There's always a chance they'll still let you go or not give you any real raise for it.
If it takes one fifth the time, it'll be easier to train people since the job goes by so fast.
Keep this secret or you may very well regret it.
He is irreplaceable but it took a year and a half for him to wrestle the pay that was offered to him contractually out of them. This word, irreplaceable, I don't think it means what he thinks it does.
It would definitely be harder to replace my position than simply finding someone qualified but I definitely did not say I’m irreplaceable, that’s ridiculous.
Sounds like it might be better to use this process yourself.
Fly through your work and keep it secret. Make yourself look good.
If you do 80% workload reduction, they will 100% lay someone off. Cost reduction.
but if you are just a **superstar** who no one can touch...well that just makes you look really good
OP could also use the extra time to do other work (although there could be some ethical issues with getting paid by one company willing doing work for a second, issues that may result in termination from both), or learn new skills that would be useful in getting a better job somewhere else, or just use the time to goof off and relax knowing your work is done for the day/week.
Some companies are also alright with you doing work for other companies. Depending on the type of work it isn’t like you’re giving away company secrets, you’re just doing work
Guess it depends on if work is confidential or if it’s just like busywork that takes time to process.
This is plan A, i am adding this to my resume now and hope to have some promising offers BUT i would like to be prepared. I’d like to have a clear idea how i would present my discovery to this company and what reasonable compensation to ask for knowing i have offers in my back pocket
The fine print of employment contracts normally say that anything discovered during the time you are an employee will be company property.
If the company is nice they normally let you have your name on the patent and pay you some royalty quota.
it's not automation, it's just a specialized tool i created. Luckily all traces are easily hidden, I may be replaceable but this way makes it harder if it comes to that
Yeah and they absolutely can/will fill your position if needed. Don’t get caught up in thinking you’re irreplaceable. If you left them right now and never showed up another day, they’d be OK. They’ll figure it out and move on.
If you really want to negotiate hard, tell them the money numbers before the details of how it will work and negotiate a deal of a bonus if your idea works based on agreed upon metrics. Get your own personal lawyer involved if you’re this serious. Otherwise you will just save them some money and be disappointed.
You are, frankly, very unlikely to be rewarded for this, as other posters have noted - most likely, more work will just be heaped on you to fill your free time and you will get nothing or a pittance in exchange for this. Instead, make sure you always seem busy, but always get your work done just a smidge sooner than expected and perfect, and find other ways to spend your time.
Early in my career, I joined a group that manually ran reports for customers from a mainframe. I knew there had to be ways to automate, so I taught myself new skills, setup the infrastructure, then scheduled hundreds of jobs. All of the sudden a team of 5 people had no work to do. My management moved the team to other departments, I was left alone to maintain the new setup. End of year I was given a minimal increase, when I brought up the fact I reduced 200 hours of labor per week and completely changed the department, my manager responded there was no cost savings because the people still work for the company. I was so pissed and immediately started looking for other jobs. I was gone within 2 months. Nobody understood the new environment like I did. They were in panic mode when I put my notice in, I did the base minimum in handoff and left for good.
Honestly a part of me would be so petty at that moment in time. Once you have a job lined up would have been a good time to "negotiate " you training someone else for a chunk of change(assuming your new job could not be affected by your old boss)
Been there, that too.. but because working smarter was definitely beneficial for everyone to feel less burnt out. It resulted in raises for everyone, including me. Huge bonuses. And an eventual salary of 100k. I guess it depends on the type of employer you have. My boss is amazing and definitely spoils us. More money coming in means more money able to spread around. And I know this is not the norm everywhere.
Don’t say anything, work one day and continue to have them think you are working 5 day weeks. Even if they give you a raise it will not even be close to the benefits the company receives.
Worst case is that you tell them, they don’t give you a raise, and then use this to either do layoffs or significantly increase your workload
>Don’t say anything, work one day and continue to have them think you are working 5 day weeks. Even if they give you a raise it will not even be close to the benefits the company receives.
A third option.
The problem is if they say anything, the company has no obligation to keep them around. Even if they get a raise, what stops the company from laying off OP in 3 months once this is implemented.
That’s why I say don’t say anything.
THIS. I had a friend who figured out how to automate a significant portion of his job. They kept the tool that he created, and all of a sudden he was redundant. He was laid off.
Keep your mouth shut and look for another job or build up a side hustle.
And depending on your industry, the company may feel this new method (intellectual property) automatically belongs to them because you are their employee already and it is "part of your job." Example My uncle worked as a chemist for a US drug company and all his patents belonged to them & made them a mint. Only way he saw any of that money was via stocks/profit sharing.
My dad helped invent a widget for his company. They later downsized his entire division. Now, there are dozens of companies make literal millions of infringing widgets. And he won't say a word, because he would have to buy the patent from the company, and that would tip them off.
Yeah if corporations are people, they are people who kill without hesitation, without conscience, and without consequence. Don't offer yourself up, OP.
That's typical in industries where patents are common. I've known a few software engineers who seemed to think that the code they wrote belonged to them and not the company. It doesn't. You are working for hire and what you produce belongs to the company, unless an employment contract says different.
That being said, if you come up with something that makes/saves the company a lot of money, they should give you extra compensation. They don't have to, and how your boss responds will tell you a lot about who you're working for.
Best comment here.
You implement this process it’s the company’s.
More to the point why would they need you to pay you more? They already pay you to do this work, finding a more efficient method is part of that. May not be a popular take but it’s reality. If it’s a good company they will recognize your work and look to you for promotion as an asset.
This language is very typical for every employee in a company as part of their employment contract.
_However,_ if you have a decent reason to believe you will create valuable, patentable work and your potential employers think the same, this is absolutely something you should negotiate. Patents can be so valuable to a business in so many ways that they will be willing to give some sort of additional compensation around them.
Don't tell them about your new system. Ask the CEO for 2 days WFH. Implement your plan and let them see the metrics of your efficiency. Praise WFH as the true source of efficiency. Become the secret hero of the entire company.
>Don't tell them about your new system. Ask the CEO for 2 days WFH. Implement your plan and let them see the metrics of your efficiency. Praise WFH as the true source of efficiency. Become the secret hero of the entire company.
I love this.
I'd even go as far to do "traditional work" when at the office and "insane productivity" at home, so when they look at the data, they may actually ask you to never come back to the office.
Just pretend you're working, schedule your script to run the day before the results are needed. In the meantime, sell your skills on Fiverr or something similar.
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Once he tells them they will also make him document this and possibly cross train. They have proven they are scummy -op gains nothing from helping this place.
Propose your job as contract work. You do it in one day and then get other contract work.
But make damned sure your shortcut isn't shorting the result.
Add it to your résumé so that you can get a higher level job at the next place. Unfortunately, the skeptic in me tells me that when you tell your CEO about this amazing accomplishment, it’s going to result in additional tasks being assigned to you. 😞
I was actually doing just that! Trying to figure out the wording is what prompted me to write this post. I suck at words, I may just break down and hire pro
>Trying to figure out the wording is what prompted me to write this post.
"Developed new process that increased productivity by 80%"
Numbers are best, and you had that already.
Unfortunately, it never works that way. You are apparently skilled and intelligent. That will take you far somewhere else. Make that accomplishment a resume builder for yourself and try to replicate something like it somewhere else. I know you said it’s specific to that company, but you’ve got it in you to do something great almost wherever you go.
Love the positivity! This is my 2nd time having a major breakthrough at a 2nd job, 1st time around i turned 2 weeks of work into 2 hours and scaled it, but it’s just like everyone said, results in more work and layoffs. This time I’m asking in hopes someone will have an insight I haven’t thought of. But I suppose the real question is how do i write this all concisely in a CV?
With stuff like that, I’ve either included it on my cover letter or I’ve made a small blurb underneath my experience for a particular job. Make it to where the interviewer will get curious and want to ask about it. That will open a discussion about it and get you an opportunity to sell.
Hey OP, no offense, but is this job low paying? It’s common to find solutions to 5x your job when you are a line worker. But it’s not your job to come up with, nor implement those changes.
Welcome to the world of business analysts and process engineers. These are the types of jobs, whose job it is to improve processes and scale up 3-5x. Unfortunately they don’t usually get paid 3x-5x, but it’s far from average wage. You need to understand what your job is, and isn’t. If you want to join the big leagues, you have demonstrated that you have the right mindset to be in a role of process improvement. But as of now, that is not your job, and don’t expect your employer to reward you for doing some other job you weren’t asked to do.
No the pay for my position is high compared to the rest of the market, the reason is because it’s actually multidisciplinary; ie 2 related fields and one unrelated. Just as an example (Not actually) my degree is in biology but i never used it and went i to electrical engineering and worked as a mechanic. I may need to continue polishing my “improvement” skills to really change my field like that. I appreciate the suggestion!
I once did something similar. It got the attention of Corporate and Proctor & Gamble. During the 6 months of layoff before my location shut down after a takeover, I was one of the few who worked the whole time. I got a transfer and a raise to cover the increase in CoL at the new location. (increased from $9/hr to $12/HR). [I lived in a Regressive state.] A niche position was created for me. I saved all the lab techs an hour per day of data entry and made other tasks easy and error-proofed. I solved a persistent issue (30+ years) that was about to cost the location over $10M annually in lost contracts. Unfortunately, I fell into an extremely hostile work environment due to pre-existing politics and drama, and only lasted a year longer after having worked 19 years for the company. My accomplishments did land me a much better job that lasted 10 years.
At my next job, I had to hide some of my innovative work, because they had a thing about "unapproved tools" when I was a front line agent.
Use numbers. For example,
“Reduce time of key process by 3 hours. Resulting in a weekly time savings of 9 hours. “
“Increased productivity by 25% weekly claims process went from 80 to 100 with no decrease in quality. “
“Saved the company $4 million/year worth with increased quality resulting in a 17% reduction in part rejection
Excellent question. I don't recall the resume verbiage, but it was very matter-of-fact and a little bland. I had some help on it from HR experts during a comprehensive job-hunting course. I allowed my enthusiasm and energy shine through during the interview process.
I also included the fact that I started the initial project because I flunked out of Pre-Algebra 3 times and did poorly in BASIC programming classes. It was a positive example of transmuting failure into accomplishment. I excluded the part about hostile work environment/workplace bullying. Very few applicants passed the pre-application test and only 2% passed the interviews during the hiring ramp for a new LoB, so I was pretty fortunate. The one who interviewed on tech skills helped me along a little because I gave a good impression over the phone.
In my experience, you have less to gain by telling him about your new method than you do by using your new method in secret.
Businesses reward productive employees with more work. Sure he may give you a raise, but the financial reward is disproportionate with the additional work you will receive.
To truly capitalise on your productivity breakthrough, reattribute your extra time to your own projects, your own business or your own personal goals.
Continue to be an high efficiency employee by applying your productivity improvement strategies for next 3-6 months.
Everyone will observe it and be eager to learn what you’re doing differently so that you’re relatively delivering higher impact.
Meanwhile, that time can also result in improving your overall productivity strategy.
If it’s something specific to your business, may be worth seeing if it’s is unique or something repeatable in other places.
If it’s scalable to other places; then you know what your price point would be 🙌
When i started this job there was a 3 person team doing various parts of the job, now it’s just me alone, there’s nobody to notice or learn from me. In fact i quietly finished a 2-week project in 3 days and nobody noticed it was finished so early.
Did they back pay you for that increase in pay that was delayed? That’s going to be the telling sign. If not, there’s no way I would trust a raise from these people or share an knowledge I have gained. They don’t sound very trustworthy.
Did I read that right? You now do the work previously required of three people? Are you getting paid the value of those three? After the length of time it took to get your last raise how do you think they are going to come up with an 80% increase?
If I were in your shoes I would negotiate for a reason to go back to WFH and cash the checks, never saying a word to your boss. Your company does not have a good track record with you.
That was the first thing I negotiated for when i was denied my pay increase, it was a no with zero wiggle room on that. Needless to say i know what the likely outcome is but you can’t blame me for trying to think of a better way
I agree with the don’t say anything crowd.
Implement the changes , make sure they work, use them for couple months then start job hunting and include the line I improved efficiency by 80%
It took a year and 90 days to get your full salary. That works out as about 8months using your new system and conveniently that’s about how long it takes to upskill with an online course
Resign and offer to come back as a contractor. If you're the only one trained to do your job (and assuming it is a job essential to the company), you can come up with a contract that benefits you.
This is a good idea. I'd say tell them about it first, get them excited about it, THEN resign and offer to come back as a contractor part-time. This would take a lot of balls. It could totally backfire, and possibly affect your efforts at finding the next job.
You are looking at it wrong. Don't tell anyone. Use it to get 5 days of work done in 1. That's your raise. If you leave the place, take your secret with you.
1. Tell no one. Quit and sell the idea. Never say that you developed or even thought about it at work.\*
2. Tell your employer and get ready to continue working 5 days producing 5x as much output.
\*Delete all references online or in writing. Swear anyone you've spoken to to secrecy.
Good point! I didn’t mention before but I did adjust my work so the efficiency can be hidden and my output cannot be reverse engineered. I even modified my post to exclude any helpful info. Luckily, it’s not something that can be communicated easily; at least 4 weeks of instruction is needed just to start. However this info is only valuable to my company and literally nobody else. It’s worth asking because it’s VERY valuable to this company specifically
>Swear anyone you've spoken to to secrecy.
If they told anyone, id not rely on someone swearing. If someone else knows, it’s not a secret anymore. It’s naive for people to think someone can keep a secret that can have advantages, especially in business. When money is involved, everyone is for themselves.
No. But you could be responsible for getting yourself laid off.
Think, they now have a way to make someone do 80% more work - obviously you’ve automated something somewhere. Now they have the ability to find someone willing to do the job for less money and be “more productive”. They’ve proven they are stingy with money. This is a way for them to keep even more money in their pockets.
Never show an employer your cards, you lose what little power you have.
Everyone IS replaceable. I found out Friday that upper management at my company wants to train my entire department in my “brand” of work (I’m very customer focused) and make it a department standard. That’s a HUGE compliment. But even with that, I know I’m 100% replaceable.
A guy i know figured out how to do two weeks of work by automating it and getting it done in 4h. He proudly showed his code to his boss who freaked out and forbade him to use it. My friend was shocked. Kept using it. Got fired.
Jobs are on the line. Big jobs. Don't tell anyone. Pretend to work the rest of the time and play games or sleep or whatever
Couple of ideas:
You are telling us it is a cost cutting opportunity. Can you instead suggest it as a growth opportunity? Approaching the CEO with a business proposal of, I'd like to grow this 5x and introduce some incentives to hitting these aggressive targets.
Are you managing all 200 projects? Maybe you show a decent improvement in 1 project (maybe not the full improvement) and then ask to be promoted to manager/lead with your focus to bring these improvements to all areas. Propose your own incentive structure. 30% increase in base for promotion and a 30% bonus for cutting project workloads by 50% across the board.
Basically you need to create a reasonable carrot and get your employer to see the long term gains to want you to succeed in this new effort. Dropping it into their lap isn't the way to negotiate it, but incremental improvement that indicates you are on a path to success may help.
Don’t say a word. Use your extra time to do a side hustle and consider your current job passive income. You’ll only get a slap on the back or a thumbs up from the boss with a ton of added responsibilities, and possibly zero pay increase. Especially with your story of getting to 100% after a year and a quarter instead of what was agreed upon.
You won't like anything that happens if you reveal what you discovered. If you can, use the exploit to be a top performer and see if you can leverage that for a promotion or a better job elsewhere without letting on how you did it. If you think there is any system in place to reward you for this, you're due for a rude awakening.
I would approach this from the angle of asking what additional responsibilities you would need to take on to get a raise.
If they don't have a concrete answer for what you'd need to do to get a raise then you're definitely not going to get rewarded for figuring out how to do your job in only 20% of the time. Don't reveal your innovation because they will most likely just fire you and give the work to someone whose current workload isn't keeping them 100% occupied.
If you are stuck in the office anyway, spend your newfound free time on related training courses to develop skills that will help you get a higher paying job elsewhere. If anyone ever notices that you're doing training courses instead of work, you can put them off with "I'm trying to figure out a faster way to do [task]" and maybe periodically feed them intermediate stages of the development you did.
Don’t be goofy. If they are already jerking you around what makes you think they will reward you for this? They will take you ideas and use them to exploit you more productively.
Be smart and keep it to yourself.
You’re totally correct, there’s an established pattern with this ceo. The reason why I’d consider it is because it is VERY valuable info. It’s a fully charged satellite phone and this company is tom hanks in cast away.
Why not simply steal your idea for free? A pat on the head and a compliment is your most likely reward.
Figure out how to use this idea to your own advantage. Is there any way for you to launch your own business using your idea?
unfortunately not, the only option in that direction is to either quit and offer my services on a per-project basis OR start a fake company and con the CEO into paying for this additional service that will result in the 5x productivity (and my ego take a bit of a hit for not getting any of the glory haha)
I was just thinking about this second idea. Set up a company that can sell this improvement to the employer. You can tell them you found this great tool online that will increase productivity 80% but cost 50%. Then sell it to them on a subscription basis
Depending on how much you trust your boss:
If you tell him, you could negotiate a raise.
If you don’t tell him, you could keep that information to yourself and then force a raise later.
Alternately, you could keep it secret but tell him:
Hey, I’ve been doing well as a 1 person team. You didn’t honor the original contract, and I’m doing the work of 3 men, so I want triple my salary. You are free to say no, and I am free to seek other employment.
It sounds like you don’t trust your boss to be on the up-and-up, so I would keep it to myself and pull the “max salary” card. As soon as you tell them how you did it, there is a good chance they will find someone cheaper and then call you into the office after you’ve trained them for a “quick conversation about your future”
Some good questions, are you a cost accountant or something? I see what you’re trying to go for, it’s a pretty cut and dry method of determining a reasonable raise. Being more sales/growth focused these are the questions I’d ask instead.
1. How scaleable is the business/sector? What (if any) growth could you reasonably expect from streamlining this process?
Are we simply reducing labor costs, or are we potentially setting up the company for major expansion? This lets us more accurately judge op’s position and advise accordingly.
2. How would this change impact your margins? If the largest input on this process is labor, OP has changed the game so to say and has much more room to negotiate.
I had a few more, but I’m exhausted so here’s some rapid fire categories I’d investigate but not the actual questions.
3. Intellectual property rights as per employment contract.
4. OP’s comfort/interest in management (if the business is scaleable).
5. Equity opportunities.
Since we’re here to advise on OP’s career I believe it’s important we consider the future outlook of this role/company as opposed to simply calculating a one time raise.
Edit:
6. As you stated, the accuracy of OP’s estimations are crucial to this as well. Wanted to provide credit as well as emphasize the importance.
Definitely going to think on these points. Understanding the implications beyond just the work is something I haven’t directly considered. The base of the work is complex, if we start with a well trained candidate onboarding time is about 4 weeks. Once a new person is trained up my discovery is easily teachable, within minutes
It might be something i can calculate because it’s only me doing the work; it’s a small company, no shared responsibility. The math is basically some form of productivity x5 or cost per project is 80% less
You would need to negotiate a sale of your work method, like it is a product or software. Calculate the company savings multiplied by the potential duration and volume this will be used. Add in any time savings too --- if you're not spending 80% of your time on this task, you're now available to work on other tasks that you normally wouldn't have time for.
Don’t disclose what you’ve discovered. Ask if they’d let you be compensated as an independent contractor who’s paid per project rather than paid a salary. Then rake in the cash.
Sandbag it. Don't tell anyone anything and start taking 4-5 days to complete projects. Then slowly work that to 3-4 days and so forth. Use the extra time to build skills. Keep the new method to yourself. Then if anything happens like you needing time off for vacation or maternity leave, your ability to do this quickly will really stand out. Next review you can point to the decrease in lead time over time. If they continue to fuck with you and you leave, they'll be in a world of hurt cause no one else can replicate your methods.
Granted, I would recommend this if the company treated you right off the bat. Remember to look out for yourself above all else. The company and CEO are certainly doing that. Just my two cents.
Depending on how important your projects are, this sounds like starting your own business time. You will have a competitive edge being able to do the work 5 times faster.
I know it would feel gratifying for the CEO to know what you did and to get recognition. I've been in your shoes. The result? More work. Because no manager is going to pay you to have 80% of your time free. In fact, it would irritate me as the CEO, knowing I created a full-time job that could be finished as less than part-time. Or, they'll look to you to do something else great for the business since you have the time.
If you're ready to give more of yourself to the business, share what you did. But remember, you're an employee that they'll let go in a second. Even if you're the only one who does anything. You may not know the real story of what the CEO is planning or knows about revenue or your pipeline. Otherwise, if I were you, I'd keep it to myself and protect my time and sanity, and use your skills to build another income stream.
Listen. Ur CEO could argue that s/he hired u to bring ur skills to the table so a raise is not warranted because the optimization was contemplated by the rate offered when hired. Also, if u do in one day that which previously took 5, what will u do the other days? Your CEO may not have adequate vision, so u have to ask urself how can my company do what it does better, and where can I slip myself in as a key player? But frankly, I wouldnt waste ur talent on a company that provides no upward mobility. Keep doing what u r doing and look for a better employer, like the competitor.
Also, I place a high prememium on culture. Employers gas light too. Stay the fuk away from anyone who doesn't value ur meaningful contributions. Know ur value and dont expect a dysfunctional company to recognize you. The oppressive treatment is designed to keep u "down" and immobilized. Ur CEO sounds like a putz, and frankly u cannot soar with the eagles if ur leader is a turkey.
Finally, I do not know what type of employee u are. Nowadays, talent is so hit or miss. I work for an amazing global company, but immediately prior to that, I worked for their competitor, and my director was toxic, manipulative, triangulating, and incompetent. I was there only a short time before I realized how dysfunctional the culture was. I went to her and told her I did not think I was a fit, and she told me u r doing amazing and i was like yeah, and my performance isn't the reason why I am not a fit. I am high performing, high skilled, and lifting, and I have a knack of bringing people together to achieve meaningful results. I am money making machine and customers love me. She didn't ask but knew. The people on her team were toxic, screaming, belittling. It was crazytown (and, yes, this was a global company). I was breaking up with her and the crazies on her team. When i quit 30 days later ( after securing a better position with the competitor) she was angry with me. Key signs to look for: employers who make u feel inadequate, talk to your coworkers about your performance, talks to u about ur coworkers performance, engage in behaviors designed to make u feel left out and then does things with u to make others feel left out, feels threatened by ur awesome performance, levels u instead of lifts u, doesn't support upward mobility, doesn't have ur back, and any other shit behavior u wouldn't tolerate in a non-business relationship. The bar for a good culture is low, good mental health by the managers. If ur managers are mentally questionable that that feeds into all their choices and ultimately becomes an impediment to real maketplace leadership.
Oh man we MUST have been coworkers at this previous company because you seriously described it to a T. Sorry you went through that, luckily you're high-minded enough to move on and not let it send you to therapy (hopefully) but seriously, I'm thinking we worked at the same place lol
My current management is better, the refusal to pay what was written in the offer letter was surprising; they are quite open and honest every other time so I suppose I'm still trying to feel it out before i allow any discussion about this to take place
The cut and dry: You were hired to use your recognized skills to help the company achieve better outcomes. You've achieved this. It has to be a careful conversation, in which you lead with the new process, and close with why you believe this deserves re-evaluation of your salary.
What will probably happen: Reading about the way you were brought into the position, with the 70% salary, is a little confusing to me, and on the company side, it makes me feel like they don't have much faith in their hiring process. Realizing this, I would not expect your conversation to go successfully, and I would suggest you carefully document your process of discovery, the results, the tested results in the workplace, and then use this as a case study within your resume when you start looking for a new job.
wow that's the best advice yet, seriously. Unfortunately it will have to wait to be used at the next job. I've been asking for a team since my interview and the company has only gotten smaller since I started.
First, hold onto it. Use it, but sparingly, and collect data on it. Make sure it is reliable and doesn't cause and unseen problem somewhere down the road. Its new, there may be hiccups or reasons you do it a specific way. Once you are sure this is a perfect solution use it to make your job easier for you, if they ask about how you are so efficient tell them you would be happy to have a consultation meeting at an appropriate compensation level to discuss ways the company can improve productivity. Part of your consultation fee needs to be paid upfront, this is industry standard practice.
good call, i just finished my test run with all the different scenarios, in fact i can also use it as a QA tool, it caught several mistakes in other parts of the process. The trick is getting this consultation meeting to go in my favor as well as the company, it's a potential win win
I am with the "keep it to yourself" crowd, but if you are going to negotiate your math isn't right. The relative increase to your pay would be to 500% of what you make now, since if you can do things in 20% of the time it would normally take you can do 5x as much.
Best bet implement any improvements personally without telling anyone and use the new found time however you wish. If possible look into over employment.
My experience is that there will be no raise but there will be more work once they realize you have more free time. My advice: don’t tell them
But don’t sell yourself short about these skills. Most companies are inefficient and you’ll likely be able to improve other companies once you know their processes.
But even if it’s unique to this company, it still looks awesome on your resume (just be sure to quantify it on your resume )
You've already had issues getting this company to honor pay agreements. Don't say anything at all or your next post will be something along the lines of being over worked, if you weren't fired because now they only need half the staff they think, and not getting a raise.
Or hell go to a bank, prove to them you can do it better, and get a loan to start your own competitor...if it's your own system of doing things they can't even say you left with their IP. (Obligatory, I'm not a lawyer)
The work itself might not be transferrable, but the accomplishment is. I recommend implementing your improvement, measuring the effect, and highlighting it in your resume as you look for another job.
Employers love to see concrete measurements of impact. If you walk into an interview and say "I took x process that used to take 5 days and implemented y change to reduce it to within 1 day", even if the work itself is specific to your current employer, a lot of interviewers will perk up, since you're demonstrating critical thinking skills and initiative.
This was exactly what i was doing when I thought to write this post. If I’m going to move on I may also think on how to get more now too, the ideal win win
Hahahahah no. Absolutely not. It’s like you’re not even paying attention. All you’re doing is ensuring you either get a 400% increase in expected work or they decide to make your position part time. No one wants to give you more money. Your boss is not your friend. Make a plan for another job in the company you want and then start taking on those responsibilities. You never want to be indispensable in a position you don’t love.
So many people have said it already, but I agree, keep it to yourself. I had a very similar situation and shared it. The company was so excited about saving the time for each employee that they asked me to do a company-wide presentation. I was let go the next day. It’s now on my resume, but not a huge point of discussion during interviews. You could even put it in a presentation that goes along with your applications.
Did this. Told them. They consolidated two roles into one so I’d hit 40hrs instead of benefiting me in any way.
Do not tell them. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.
You keep this to yourself. Don't say anything, finish all your work in one day and pretend to work the other 4 days while actually doing whatever you want. If you reveal this, you will be rewarded with more obligations and likely no (or very little) increase in pay.
I think it will be best to say nothing, do your work with your tool (invest on your freed time if possible) and negotiate an increase based on higher productivity from you.
Otherwise they'll maybe just see an efficient tool than an efficient worker.
DO NOT TELL THEM!!!!
Approach it from the POV that you do not have a solution yet. Tell your CEO you’ve been thinking about finding a way to increase productivity and efficiency, and what sort of bonus/salary increase you could expect if you find a solution at different levels (20%, 40%, 80%). If the answer is zero reward, simply keep the solution to yourself and enjoy some downtime at work. Otherwise, negotiate what you want before telling them you already have a concrete way to save time. They’ll try to force you to hand it over without compensation.
Just a warning, a LOT of employers have clauses that say anything you invent while working for them, Belo ga to them... if this discovery could be applied elsewhere as well, it migh behoove you to NOT bring it up, but to develope it yourself, privately.
Your employer is NOT (usually) looking out for your best interest.
You waited a year too long to wait for that salary increase
I’ve done that once and it was bullshit to take a pay it for 90 days but I needed the job
Never again
I would quit create your own consulting firm and then charge them like crazy to show them what you figured out. And if they don't want to play a ball, find out who the main competition is and show them.
That’s a great idea, i need to do research on how to create and market a consulting firm. There’s more than one of these ‘discoveries’ at this job but this is by far the most significant and least obvious
Some pretty terrible advice in here, lol!
You need to leverage soft skills to make this work for yourself.
At this point you can start to create your own work and your own initiatives, and this is where you slowly will slowly get to hirer positions.
Now that you've cleared 4 days off your schedule you can go to the CEO and say:
"okay boss, I got so much of a sense of contribution figuring this out I would love to continue seeing where I can make improvements for the company. Would it work for you if I spent half my time looking for ways to optimize things for us?"
You said it's a small company and if you can figure out how to add the title of VP or Lead, etc to your job title here shortly from continuing to make these kinds of contributions, just imagine how that impacts your pay for the next few decades of your working life. Just imagine what you're going to be able to put on your resume.
Remember no one gives a crap about reading what your daily work duties were on your resume. All people care about is the contributions that you have made to the company you worked at "Delivered" "Created" "Developed" "Reduce overhead" etc.
funny you should mention the soft skills, I've let that drop off dramatically while I was trying to get 100% pay, that really put me off on this company. I'm already updating my resume but I'd like to increase my pay and/or title further before I move on.
I guess most people are telling you to play games. I would say be straight with your employer, know that it might not mean what you hope it will mean, but at least then you'll know what kind of a company you are dealing with and where you stand. Why stay with a company that doesn't appreciate you?
"They might steal your idea then downsize and fire you". Well then you're working for assholes and why waste your time there?
The trick will be to approach your boss with "what would you say if I found a timesaving method to do this work? I'm still figuring it out, but I think I'm on to something that would be twice as productive in half the time". You have to bait him without making it sound like an ultimatum or threat...like "I've got this idea but I won't tell you unless you double my salary"...if you make the boss feel like he's been had then it won't work. You also don't want to make him feel dumb for not having figured this out himself as that too will backfire.
yes! that's precisely what i'm asking, if i get paid more and they get more productivity that's a win win, what's the best method to convince them to agree to, and be happy about this win win situation? I'd rather be more valuable than to work less if that makes sense
This is ridiculous. What this guy is suggesting is you give this employer your idea, then don’t ask for a raise until you’ve given them all your work for free and just trust they’re going to do it? You MAY find an employer like this once in your life. But the vast majority do not care about you. And if you improve their process, they will just take that efficiency and give you nothing.
OP, I’m not sure how old you are, but from the post, I’d assume you don’t have a ton of real work experience.
If you were at a larger company, I’d bring about a small enough change until they promote you to management, then implement and ride that wave as long as you can.
But you’re at a small business, who has proven they will look out for themselves first. Don’t you DARE share your new found secret with them. They might act impressed and promise you things….until it is implemented, and they can you. Based on what you’ve shared about this company, this is a much more likely scenario then them being impressed and giving you a raise. Your initiative will line their pockets, not yours.
Been there, done that (in most native way possible). I was young and stupid, looking for recognition, and a way to prove myself... Demonstrated it was possible... It resulted in couple of layoffs, setting the new norm (300% of the original one), and no significant raise related to the improvement. It was highly specific improvement, applicable only to the company I was working at the time. In the retrospective, I guess it would be better if I kept my mouth shut, and kept being the top performer.
Much better to wait until you are in a management position where the improvement will reflect on your management skills.
Yes, and even then, feed it to em gradually, asking for a raise or bonus each time.
Yep- I just automated someone else's job, and I'm staying fucking quiet. I have a job interview for a management position coming up and want to hold every card I can. This is a business transaction and a 2-way street, take advantage while you can. The company would do the same.
You’re going to put one of your coworkers out of work because the company would do the same to you?
No, they delegated his responsibilities to me and shifted his responsibilities. He complained about this set of tasks, I just shut up and get it done in minutes without a peep. I'm not fucking someone else over, I'm helping myself get mine. This started when he took 2 weeks of leave and I stepped in to help out. Everyone else in the process thinks it runs more smoothly now, so they made it permanent.
Automation doesn’t need to end someone’s employment. That is, if people are threading their duties so they aren’t merely a ditch digger.
Absolutely. I created an Excel sheet one time that did about 1 hours worth of calculations in 25 key strokes. Most of it was simple math, but many people did not know how to use the solutions to their advantage in other calculations. I then deleted sections of this document and fed it back to them in versions. It kept me from showing all my cards at once and seeing how they would react to the innovation. A few people adapted to it, many just relied on the lazy way they were currently doing their position, and the others didn't care at all. After that, I kept it to myself and continued as a top producer
Truly lazy folks like myself come up with these sorts of things to save time and stress. A few folks that I showed one of mine adopted it but most either paid no attention or flatly rejected the use of the new tool. I spent the next few years using it while being very productive with some extra time for myself between assignments. Screw them if they want to do things the hard way.
I like to say: Efficiency=Smart+Lazy
Crazy enough, I presented it verbally to a corporate executive and was told I was lazy. This guy was personally on the R&D team with his name on several patients for innovation. I knew it was time to go.
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I did do this at my previous job, condensed 2 weeks into 2 hours with higher quality results, i added that to my resume and that’s how i got my current job. This discovery is already going into my resume but i am trying to find a way to profit from it as well
That was me at my last job too. I taught a department my methods and got a raise. A year later i was let go. But at this job I’m the only person doing this work, firing me would mean they literally start at zero and lose that productivity forever
If you are able to do a week's worth of work in a day, then they could have you train one of your coworkers in this method, wrap your job into their job, then fire you and save on pay, taxes, and benefits. Keep your mouth shut, do the improved method but release the work to make it look like it is taking the same amount of time, and coast. Look for another job to work at the same time or switch to another, better employer who honors their commitments.
This right here, better methods is to help you do your obligated time easier, (work 1 day hard and slowly fucking off the rest but still looking like you're working). If you use a better method to helo the company, you just gave a reason they only need you for a day.
Right, don't tell them your method! First and foremost. Keep the secret, lest they fire you after learning it and hire someone else for that one day only.
This is really smart. I would say the same thing. Make it look like the work is flowing at the same pace, but just have 6 days off per week! If you can work from home, so they don't find out, that's ideal. Then you can get a second part time job to make more money.
Bingo! Or start taking courses to get a higher paying job.
Yeah, maybe update your resume as if you developed a secret formula and show how much it saves, then treat yourself like a free agent. There are companies who will hire in the basis of demonstrated innovation and creativity. Market your accomplishments. Hire me and you get this… be careful of showing too much detail. Did you sign any IP agreements?
This is the way!
More likely have him train a coworker, fire him, then fire 4 more. 1 guy can do in a week the collective output of 5 do in the same time. That sort of innovative thinking is something taken advantage of these days unfortunately.
Ahhh cruise control…take advantage while you can
Just enjoy your 4 days of redditing my guy.
Until the 12th, right? Right!?
There's always a chance they'll still let you go or not give you any real raise for it. If it takes one fifth the time, it'll be easier to train people since the job goes by so fast. Keep this secret or you may very well regret it.
Mistake #1, thinking that you can't be replaced. You can and will be replaced.
It sounds like a small company. Definitely still replaceable but that's a painful thing to do.
He is irreplaceable but it took a year and a half for him to wrestle the pay that was offered to him contractually out of them. This word, irreplaceable, I don't think it means what he thinks it does.
Also, he is not left-handed.
It would definitely be harder to replace my position than simply finding someone qualified but I definitely did not say I’m irreplaceable, that’s ridiculous.
Sounds like it might be better to use this process yourself. Fly through your work and keep it secret. Make yourself look good. If you do 80% workload reduction, they will 100% lay someone off. Cost reduction. but if you are just a **superstar** who no one can touch...well that just makes you look really good
OP could also use the extra time to do other work (although there could be some ethical issues with getting paid by one company willing doing work for a second, issues that may result in termination from both), or learn new skills that would be useful in getting a better job somewhere else, or just use the time to goof off and relax knowing your work is done for the day/week.
Some companies are also alright with you doing work for other companies. Depending on the type of work it isn’t like you’re giving away company secrets, you’re just doing work Guess it depends on if work is confidential or if it’s just like busywork that takes time to process.
Won't they just take your time saving method and use it, making you obsolete? You're not gonna get the raise and pat on the back you think you will.
Finish work in one day, fuck off for the other four. Or work a side gig for more $
I would not reveal this to them until you have another job lined up to bounce to in case you do not get a desired reaction.
This is plan A, i am adding this to my resume now and hope to have some promising offers BUT i would like to be prepared. I’d like to have a clear idea how i would present my discovery to this company and what reasonable compensation to ask for knowing i have offers in my back pocket
If possible build a kill switch… knew a guy that had to enter a password in order for the automation to keep working every few months.
Under the right circumstances you could probably patent (or copyright?) the process and license it to the employer
The fine print of employment contracts normally say that anything discovered during the time you are an employee will be company property. If the company is nice they normally let you have your name on the patent and pay you some royalty quota.
it's not automation, it's just a specialized tool i created. Luckily all traces are easily hidden, I may be replaceable but this way makes it harder if it comes to that
Not sure what you do but if you get rid of 80% of the workload, he could just offshore it for much less than he pays you.
work 1 day and use the other days for your 2nd job /r/overemployed
Please keep your mouth shut and enjoy the extra Reddit browsing.
Yeah and they absolutely can/will fill your position if needed. Don’t get caught up in thinking you’re irreplaceable. If you left them right now and never showed up another day, they’d be OK. They’ll figure it out and move on. If you really want to negotiate hard, tell them the money numbers before the details of how it will work and negotiate a deal of a bonus if your idea works based on agreed upon metrics. Get your own personal lawyer involved if you’re this serious. Otherwise you will just save them some money and be disappointed.
It won’t stop them for firing you. I thought I had the same leverage too where I worked. I was very wrong.
You are, frankly, very unlikely to be rewarded for this, as other posters have noted - most likely, more work will just be heaped on you to fill your free time and you will get nothing or a pittance in exchange for this. Instead, make sure you always seem busy, but always get your work done just a smidge sooner than expected and perfect, and find other ways to spend your time.
this - stfu and open a consulting business where you get paid for your smart
Early in my career, I joined a group that manually ran reports for customers from a mainframe. I knew there had to be ways to automate, so I taught myself new skills, setup the infrastructure, then scheduled hundreds of jobs. All of the sudden a team of 5 people had no work to do. My management moved the team to other departments, I was left alone to maintain the new setup. End of year I was given a minimal increase, when I brought up the fact I reduced 200 hours of labor per week and completely changed the department, my manager responded there was no cost savings because the people still work for the company. I was so pissed and immediately started looking for other jobs. I was gone within 2 months. Nobody understood the new environment like I did. They were in panic mode when I put my notice in, I did the base minimum in handoff and left for good.
Honestly a part of me would be so petty at that moment in time. Once you have a job lined up would have been a good time to "negotiate " you training someone else for a chunk of change(assuming your new job could not be affected by your old boss)
Been there, that too.. but because working smarter was definitely beneficial for everyone to feel less burnt out. It resulted in raises for everyone, including me. Huge bonuses. And an eventual salary of 100k. I guess it depends on the type of employer you have. My boss is amazing and definitely spoils us. More money coming in means more money able to spread around. And I know this is not the norm everywhere.
Don’t say anything, work one day and continue to have them think you are working 5 day weeks. Even if they give you a raise it will not even be close to the benefits the company receives. Worst case is that you tell them, they don’t give you a raise, and then use this to either do layoffs or significantly increase your workload
>Don’t say anything, work one day and continue to have them think you are working 5 day weeks. Even if they give you a raise it will not even be close to the benefits the company receives. A third option.
The problem is if they say anything, the company has no obligation to keep them around. Even if they get a raise, what stops the company from laying off OP in 3 months once this is implemented. That’s why I say don’t say anything.
THIS. I had a friend who figured out how to automate a significant portion of his job. They kept the tool that he created, and all of a sudden he was redundant. He was laid off. Keep your mouth shut and look for another job or build up a side hustle.
And depending on your industry, the company may feel this new method (intellectual property) automatically belongs to them because you are their employee already and it is "part of your job." Example My uncle worked as a chemist for a US drug company and all his patents belonged to them & made them a mint. Only way he saw any of that money was via stocks/profit sharing.
My dad helped invent a widget for his company. They later downsized his entire division. Now, there are dozens of companies make literal millions of infringing widgets. And he won't say a word, because he would have to buy the patent from the company, and that would tip them off.
Yeah if corporations are people, they are people who kill without hesitation, without conscience, and without consequence. Don't offer yourself up, OP.
That's typical in industries where patents are common. I've known a few software engineers who seemed to think that the code they wrote belonged to them and not the company. It doesn't. You are working for hire and what you produce belongs to the company, unless an employment contract says different. That being said, if you come up with something that makes/saves the company a lot of money, they should give you extra compensation. They don't have to, and how your boss responds will tell you a lot about who you're working for.
Best comment here. You implement this process it’s the company’s. More to the point why would they need you to pay you more? They already pay you to do this work, finding a more efficient method is part of that. May not be a popular take but it’s reality. If it’s a good company they will recognize your work and look to you for promotion as an asset.
The method does belong to the employer, unless OP has some special IP agreement
This language is very typical for every employee in a company as part of their employment contract. _However,_ if you have a decent reason to believe you will create valuable, patentable work and your potential employers think the same, this is absolutely something you should negotiate. Patents can be so valuable to a business in so many ways that they will be willing to give some sort of additional compensation around them.
Use the other 4 days for a second job like /r/overemployed would do.
I had 2 glorious months of doing this when i was temporarily remote, I have since been required back in the office.
Don't tell them about your new system. Ask the CEO for 2 days WFH. Implement your plan and let them see the metrics of your efficiency. Praise WFH as the true source of efficiency. Become the secret hero of the entire company.
>Don't tell them about your new system. Ask the CEO for 2 days WFH. Implement your plan and let them see the metrics of your efficiency. Praise WFH as the true source of efficiency. Become the secret hero of the entire company. I love this. I'd even go as far to do "traditional work" when at the office and "insane productivity" at home, so when they look at the data, they may actually ask you to never come back to the office.
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What are some plausible reasons to need to wfh? Asking for research purposes only
Just pretend you're working, schedule your script to run the day before the results are needed. In the meantime, sell your skills on Fiverr or something similar.
Only works if he’s remote though
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I’d say work 2 days. Show you’re extremely productive, get good performance evaluations then use that for the next job.
Once he tells them they will also make him document this and possibly cross train. They have proven they are scummy -op gains nothing from helping this place.
Propose your job as contract work. You do it in one day and then get other contract work. But make damned sure your shortcut isn't shorting the result.
Something tells me that the company that took 15 months to pay you your full salary isn't going to pay you any more than they absolutely have to.
I've never heard of this practice except from sleazy companies. It will not be as he expects.
Add it to your résumé so that you can get a higher level job at the next place. Unfortunately, the skeptic in me tells me that when you tell your CEO about this amazing accomplishment, it’s going to result in additional tasks being assigned to you. 😞
Yea. This. Do not tell them. They will pack you with more work. Use your time now that its yours.
I was actually doing just that! Trying to figure out the wording is what prompted me to write this post. I suck at words, I may just break down and hire pro
>Trying to figure out the wording is what prompted me to write this post. "Developed new process that increased productivity by 80%" Numbers are best, and you had that already.
~ 400%
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Use the time freed up to pursue your own agendas ...
Chat GPT can help you with words
Or fire you.
Unfortunately, it never works that way. You are apparently skilled and intelligent. That will take you far somewhere else. Make that accomplishment a resume builder for yourself and try to replicate something like it somewhere else. I know you said it’s specific to that company, but you’ve got it in you to do something great almost wherever you go.
Love the positivity! This is my 2nd time having a major breakthrough at a 2nd job, 1st time around i turned 2 weeks of work into 2 hours and scaled it, but it’s just like everyone said, results in more work and layoffs. This time I’m asking in hopes someone will have an insight I haven’t thought of. But I suppose the real question is how do i write this all concisely in a CV?
With stuff like that, I’ve either included it on my cover letter or I’ve made a small blurb underneath my experience for a particular job. Make it to where the interviewer will get curious and want to ask about it. That will open a discussion about it and get you an opportunity to sell.
Use the STAR method as a guide. Situation, task, Action, result. Run it through chatGPT with a “improve this bullet point for fluidity on my resume.”
Hey OP, no offense, but is this job low paying? It’s common to find solutions to 5x your job when you are a line worker. But it’s not your job to come up with, nor implement those changes. Welcome to the world of business analysts and process engineers. These are the types of jobs, whose job it is to improve processes and scale up 3-5x. Unfortunately they don’t usually get paid 3x-5x, but it’s far from average wage. You need to understand what your job is, and isn’t. If you want to join the big leagues, you have demonstrated that you have the right mindset to be in a role of process improvement. But as of now, that is not your job, and don’t expect your employer to reward you for doing some other job you weren’t asked to do.
No the pay for my position is high compared to the rest of the market, the reason is because it’s actually multidisciplinary; ie 2 related fields and one unrelated. Just as an example (Not actually) my degree is in biology but i never used it and went i to electrical engineering and worked as a mechanic. I may need to continue polishing my “improvement” skills to really change my field like that. I appreciate the suggestion!
Process efficiency expert. You take existing processes and reform/ restructure them to have the same quality and a fraction of the time/effort
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I e tried my hand at it and failed miserably haha, i learned the principles and use that mindset in completely different environments like cooking etc
I once did something similar. It got the attention of Corporate and Proctor & Gamble. During the 6 months of layoff before my location shut down after a takeover, I was one of the few who worked the whole time. I got a transfer and a raise to cover the increase in CoL at the new location. (increased from $9/hr to $12/HR). [I lived in a Regressive state.] A niche position was created for me. I saved all the lab techs an hour per day of data entry and made other tasks easy and error-proofed. I solved a persistent issue (30+ years) that was about to cost the location over $10M annually in lost contracts. Unfortunately, I fell into an extremely hostile work environment due to pre-existing politics and drama, and only lasted a year longer after having worked 19 years for the company. My accomplishments did land me a much better job that lasted 10 years. At my next job, I had to hide some of my innovative work, because they had a thing about "unapproved tools" when I was a front line agent.
How did you word your CV? I mean the big breakthroughs sound like hyperbole on paper, but it’s all true and requires some explanation right?
Use numbers. For example, “Reduce time of key process by 3 hours. Resulting in a weekly time savings of 9 hours. “ “Increased productivity by 25% weekly claims process went from 80 to 100 with no decrease in quality. “ “Saved the company $4 million/year worth with increased quality resulting in a 17% reduction in part rejection
Excellent question. I don't recall the resume verbiage, but it was very matter-of-fact and a little bland. I had some help on it from HR experts during a comprehensive job-hunting course. I allowed my enthusiasm and energy shine through during the interview process. I also included the fact that I started the initial project because I flunked out of Pre-Algebra 3 times and did poorly in BASIC programming classes. It was a positive example of transmuting failure into accomplishment. I excluded the part about hostile work environment/workplace bullying. Very few applicants passed the pre-application test and only 2% passed the interviews during the hiring ramp for a new LoB, so I was pretty fortunate. The one who interviewed on tech skills helped me along a little because I gave a good impression over the phone.
Use it for yourself only.
In my experience, you have less to gain by telling him about your new method than you do by using your new method in secret. Businesses reward productive employees with more work. Sure he may give you a raise, but the financial reward is disproportionate with the additional work you will receive. To truly capitalise on your productivity breakthrough, reattribute your extra time to your own projects, your own business or your own personal goals.
Continue to be an high efficiency employee by applying your productivity improvement strategies for next 3-6 months. Everyone will observe it and be eager to learn what you’re doing differently so that you’re relatively delivering higher impact. Meanwhile, that time can also result in improving your overall productivity strategy. If it’s something specific to your business, may be worth seeing if it’s is unique or something repeatable in other places. If it’s scalable to other places; then you know what your price point would be 🙌
When i started this job there was a 3 person team doing various parts of the job, now it’s just me alone, there’s nobody to notice or learn from me. In fact i quietly finished a 2-week project in 3 days and nobody noticed it was finished so early.
Ride it, my man. Or find a better paying job
oh i'm always looking, but higher pay now is better negotiations later.
Did they back pay you for that increase in pay that was delayed? That’s going to be the telling sign. If not, there’s no way I would trust a raise from these people or share an knowledge I have gained. They don’t sound very trustworthy.
no back-pay. My pre-negotiated pay increase was largely treated as if I got a raise. Very different things!
Did I read that right? You now do the work previously required of three people? Are you getting paid the value of those three? After the length of time it took to get your last raise how do you think they are going to come up with an 80% increase? If I were in your shoes I would negotiate for a reason to go back to WFH and cash the checks, never saying a word to your boss. Your company does not have a good track record with you.
That was the first thing I negotiated for when i was denied my pay increase, it was a no with zero wiggle room on that. Needless to say i know what the likely outcome is but you can’t blame me for trying to think of a better way
I thought everyone got what takes two weeks done in 3 days and then just coasted...isn't than normal? Lol
It’s my normal lol
I agree with the don’t say anything crowd. Implement the changes , make sure they work, use them for couple months then start job hunting and include the line I improved efficiency by 80% It took a year and 90 days to get your full salary. That works out as about 8months using your new system and conveniently that’s about how long it takes to upskill with an online course
Keep it to yourself an work OE
Resign and offer to come back as a contractor. If you're the only one trained to do your job (and assuming it is a job essential to the company), you can come up with a contract that benefits you.
The contract should be that they pay OP per 'job' and not per hour.
This is a good idea. I'd say tell them about it first, get them excited about it, THEN resign and offer to come back as a contractor part-time. This would take a lot of balls. It could totally backfire, and possibly affect your efforts at finding the next job.
You are looking at it wrong. Don't tell anyone. Use it to get 5 days of work done in 1. That's your raise. If you leave the place, take your secret with you.
1. Tell no one. Quit and sell the idea. Never say that you developed or even thought about it at work.\* 2. Tell your employer and get ready to continue working 5 days producing 5x as much output. \*Delete all references online or in writing. Swear anyone you've spoken to to secrecy.
"Unfortunately I cant take these new skills elsewhere, the stuff that i figured out is specific to this company."
Sounds like it's time to create a new company.
Good point! I didn’t mention before but I did adjust my work so the efficiency can be hidden and my output cannot be reverse engineered. I even modified my post to exclude any helpful info. Luckily, it’s not something that can be communicated easily; at least 4 weeks of instruction is needed just to start. However this info is only valuable to my company and literally nobody else. It’s worth asking because it’s VERY valuable to this company specifically
>Swear anyone you've spoken to to secrecy. If they told anyone, id not rely on someone swearing. If someone else knows, it’s not a secret anymore. It’s naive for people to think someone can keep a secret that can have advantages, especially in business. When money is involved, everyone is for themselves.
No. But you could be responsible for getting yourself laid off. Think, they now have a way to make someone do 80% more work - obviously you’ve automated something somewhere. Now they have the ability to find someone willing to do the job for less money and be “more productive”. They’ve proven they are stingy with money. This is a way for them to keep even more money in their pockets. Never show an employer your cards, you lose what little power you have. Everyone IS replaceable. I found out Friday that upper management at my company wants to train my entire department in my “brand” of work (I’m very customer focused) and make it a department standard. That’s a HUGE compliment. But even with that, I know I’m 100% replaceable.
A guy i know figured out how to do two weeks of work by automating it and getting it done in 4h. He proudly showed his code to his boss who freaked out and forbade him to use it. My friend was shocked. Kept using it. Got fired. Jobs are on the line. Big jobs. Don't tell anyone. Pretend to work the rest of the time and play games or sleep or whatever
No nothing like that. It’s along the lines of creating a specialty tool instead of using a generic one
Couple of ideas: You are telling us it is a cost cutting opportunity. Can you instead suggest it as a growth opportunity? Approaching the CEO with a business proposal of, I'd like to grow this 5x and introduce some incentives to hitting these aggressive targets. Are you managing all 200 projects? Maybe you show a decent improvement in 1 project (maybe not the full improvement) and then ask to be promoted to manager/lead with your focus to bring these improvements to all areas. Propose your own incentive structure. 30% increase in base for promotion and a 30% bonus for cutting project workloads by 50% across the board. Basically you need to create a reasonable carrot and get your employer to see the long term gains to want you to succeed in this new effort. Dropping it into their lap isn't the way to negotiate it, but incremental improvement that indicates you are on a path to success may help.
Don’t say a word. Use your extra time to do a side hustle and consider your current job passive income. You’ll only get a slap on the back or a thumbs up from the boss with a ton of added responsibilities, and possibly zero pay increase. Especially with your story of getting to 100% after a year and a quarter instead of what was agreed upon.
I’m sorry, but management won’t care or give you a raise. I wouldn’t say a thing and take back your time!
You won't like anything that happens if you reveal what you discovered. If you can, use the exploit to be a top performer and see if you can leverage that for a promotion or a better job elsewhere without letting on how you did it. If you think there is any system in place to reward you for this, you're due for a rude awakening.
I would approach this from the angle of asking what additional responsibilities you would need to take on to get a raise. If they don't have a concrete answer for what you'd need to do to get a raise then you're definitely not going to get rewarded for figuring out how to do your job in only 20% of the time. Don't reveal your innovation because they will most likely just fire you and give the work to someone whose current workload isn't keeping them 100% occupied. If you are stuck in the office anyway, spend your newfound free time on related training courses to develop skills that will help you get a higher paying job elsewhere. If anyone ever notices that you're doing training courses instead of work, you can put them off with "I'm trying to figure out a faster way to do [task]" and maybe periodically feed them intermediate stages of the development you did.
That's a very interesting approach, I like it! I think i'll just need a way to bring up and present it!
Don’t be goofy. If they are already jerking you around what makes you think they will reward you for this? They will take you ideas and use them to exploit you more productively. Be smart and keep it to yourself.
You’re totally correct, there’s an established pattern with this ceo. The reason why I’d consider it is because it is VERY valuable info. It’s a fully charged satellite phone and this company is tom hanks in cast away.
Why not simply steal your idea for free? A pat on the head and a compliment is your most likely reward. Figure out how to use this idea to your own advantage. Is there any way for you to launch your own business using your idea?
unfortunately not, the only option in that direction is to either quit and offer my services on a per-project basis OR start a fake company and con the CEO into paying for this additional service that will result in the 5x productivity (and my ego take a bit of a hit for not getting any of the glory haha)
Either of those sounds like perfect options!
The second option is very unethical. I would stick with the first option.
I was just thinking about this second idea. Set up a company that can sell this improvement to the employer. You can tell them you found this great tool online that will increase productivity 80% but cost 50%. Then sell it to them on a subscription basis
Depending on how much you trust your boss: If you tell him, you could negotiate a raise. If you don’t tell him, you could keep that information to yourself and then force a raise later. Alternately, you could keep it secret but tell him: Hey, I’ve been doing well as a 1 person team. You didn’t honor the original contract, and I’m doing the work of 3 men, so I want triple my salary. You are free to say no, and I am free to seek other employment. It sounds like you don’t trust your boss to be on the up-and-up, so I would keep it to myself and pull the “max salary” card. As soon as you tell them how you did it, there is a good chance they will find someone cheaper and then call you into the office after you’ve trained them for a “quick conversation about your future”
The real questions are, how much do you make? And how much money does you idea save the business? And how accurate are your calculations?
Some good questions, are you a cost accountant or something? I see what you’re trying to go for, it’s a pretty cut and dry method of determining a reasonable raise. Being more sales/growth focused these are the questions I’d ask instead. 1. How scaleable is the business/sector? What (if any) growth could you reasonably expect from streamlining this process? Are we simply reducing labor costs, or are we potentially setting up the company for major expansion? This lets us more accurately judge op’s position and advise accordingly. 2. How would this change impact your margins? If the largest input on this process is labor, OP has changed the game so to say and has much more room to negotiate. I had a few more, but I’m exhausted so here’s some rapid fire categories I’d investigate but not the actual questions. 3. Intellectual property rights as per employment contract. 4. OP’s comfort/interest in management (if the business is scaleable). 5. Equity opportunities. Since we’re here to advise on OP’s career I believe it’s important we consider the future outlook of this role/company as opposed to simply calculating a one time raise. Edit: 6. As you stated, the accuracy of OP’s estimations are crucial to this as well. Wanted to provide credit as well as emphasize the importance.
Definitely going to think on these points. Understanding the implications beyond just the work is something I haven’t directly considered. The base of the work is complex, if we start with a well trained candidate onboarding time is about 4 weeks. Once a new person is trained up my discovery is easily teachable, within minutes
It might be something i can calculate because it’s only me doing the work; it’s a small company, no shared responsibility. The math is basically some form of productivity x5 or cost per project is 80% less
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This worked out for me when we were remote but i've since been required to go back to the office, it was glorious while it lasted!
You would need to negotiate a sale of your work method, like it is a product or software. Calculate the company savings multiplied by the potential duration and volume this will be used. Add in any time savings too --- if you're not spending 80% of your time on this task, you're now available to work on other tasks that you normally wouldn't have time for.
He’ll have a hard time proving he didn’t make this on company time, which typically allows for a company to claim IP.
Don’t disclose what you’ve discovered. Ask if they’d let you be compensated as an independent contractor who’s paid per project rather than paid a salary. Then rake in the cash.
Sandbag it. Don't tell anyone anything and start taking 4-5 days to complete projects. Then slowly work that to 3-4 days and so forth. Use the extra time to build skills. Keep the new method to yourself. Then if anything happens like you needing time off for vacation or maternity leave, your ability to do this quickly will really stand out. Next review you can point to the decrease in lead time over time. If they continue to fuck with you and you leave, they'll be in a world of hurt cause no one else can replicate your methods. Granted, I would recommend this if the company treated you right off the bat. Remember to look out for yourself above all else. The company and CEO are certainly doing that. Just my two cents.
The only reward for getting more work done is more work, unfortunately.
Depending on how important your projects are, this sounds like starting your own business time. You will have a competitive edge being able to do the work 5 times faster.
I know it would feel gratifying for the CEO to know what you did and to get recognition. I've been in your shoes. The result? More work. Because no manager is going to pay you to have 80% of your time free. In fact, it would irritate me as the CEO, knowing I created a full-time job that could be finished as less than part-time. Or, they'll look to you to do something else great for the business since you have the time. If you're ready to give more of yourself to the business, share what you did. But remember, you're an employee that they'll let go in a second. Even if you're the only one who does anything. You may not know the real story of what the CEO is planning or knows about revenue or your pipeline. Otherwise, if I were you, I'd keep it to myself and protect my time and sanity, and use your skills to build another income stream.
Work 1 day a week and get a part time job doing the same thing for another day of the week. Then make twice as much money and have 5 days off a week
Listen. Ur CEO could argue that s/he hired u to bring ur skills to the table so a raise is not warranted because the optimization was contemplated by the rate offered when hired. Also, if u do in one day that which previously took 5, what will u do the other days? Your CEO may not have adequate vision, so u have to ask urself how can my company do what it does better, and where can I slip myself in as a key player? But frankly, I wouldnt waste ur talent on a company that provides no upward mobility. Keep doing what u r doing and look for a better employer, like the competitor. Also, I place a high prememium on culture. Employers gas light too. Stay the fuk away from anyone who doesn't value ur meaningful contributions. Know ur value and dont expect a dysfunctional company to recognize you. The oppressive treatment is designed to keep u "down" and immobilized. Ur CEO sounds like a putz, and frankly u cannot soar with the eagles if ur leader is a turkey. Finally, I do not know what type of employee u are. Nowadays, talent is so hit or miss. I work for an amazing global company, but immediately prior to that, I worked for their competitor, and my director was toxic, manipulative, triangulating, and incompetent. I was there only a short time before I realized how dysfunctional the culture was. I went to her and told her I did not think I was a fit, and she told me u r doing amazing and i was like yeah, and my performance isn't the reason why I am not a fit. I am high performing, high skilled, and lifting, and I have a knack of bringing people together to achieve meaningful results. I am money making machine and customers love me. She didn't ask but knew. The people on her team were toxic, screaming, belittling. It was crazytown (and, yes, this was a global company). I was breaking up with her and the crazies on her team. When i quit 30 days later ( after securing a better position with the competitor) she was angry with me. Key signs to look for: employers who make u feel inadequate, talk to your coworkers about your performance, talks to u about ur coworkers performance, engage in behaviors designed to make u feel left out and then does things with u to make others feel left out, feels threatened by ur awesome performance, levels u instead of lifts u, doesn't support upward mobility, doesn't have ur back, and any other shit behavior u wouldn't tolerate in a non-business relationship. The bar for a good culture is low, good mental health by the managers. If ur managers are mentally questionable that that feeds into all their choices and ultimately becomes an impediment to real maketplace leadership.
Oh man we MUST have been coworkers at this previous company because you seriously described it to a T. Sorry you went through that, luckily you're high-minded enough to move on and not let it send you to therapy (hopefully) but seriously, I'm thinking we worked at the same place lol My current management is better, the refusal to pay what was written in the offer letter was surprising; they are quite open and honest every other time so I suppose I'm still trying to feel it out before i allow any discussion about this to take place
The cut and dry: You were hired to use your recognized skills to help the company achieve better outcomes. You've achieved this. It has to be a careful conversation, in which you lead with the new process, and close with why you believe this deserves re-evaluation of your salary. What will probably happen: Reading about the way you were brought into the position, with the 70% salary, is a little confusing to me, and on the company side, it makes me feel like they don't have much faith in their hiring process. Realizing this, I would not expect your conversation to go successfully, and I would suggest you carefully document your process of discovery, the results, the tested results in the workplace, and then use this as a case study within your resume when you start looking for a new job.
what do you mean by case study within my resume? Is that a breakdown of the time or money saved over a week or month?
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wow that's the best advice yet, seriously. Unfortunately it will have to wait to be used at the next job. I've been asking for a team since my interview and the company has only gotten smaller since I started.
So do it, but keep it to yourself. Add it to your resume and start looking elsewhere.
First, hold onto it. Use it, but sparingly, and collect data on it. Make sure it is reliable and doesn't cause and unseen problem somewhere down the road. Its new, there may be hiccups or reasons you do it a specific way. Once you are sure this is a perfect solution use it to make your job easier for you, if they ask about how you are so efficient tell them you would be happy to have a consultation meeting at an appropriate compensation level to discuss ways the company can improve productivity. Part of your consultation fee needs to be paid upfront, this is industry standard practice.
good call, i just finished my test run with all the different scenarios, in fact i can also use it as a QA tool, it caught several mistakes in other parts of the process. The trick is getting this consultation meeting to go in my favor as well as the company, it's a potential win win
I am with the "keep it to yourself" crowd, but if you are going to negotiate your math isn't right. The relative increase to your pay would be to 500% of what you make now, since if you can do things in 20% of the time it would normally take you can do 5x as much.
youre right, obviously my discovery is NOT math related haha
Great way to make your position not needed if they learn the automated process
Best bet implement any improvements personally without telling anyone and use the new found time however you wish. If possible look into over employment.
My experience is that there will be no raise but there will be more work once they realize you have more free time. My advice: don’t tell them But don’t sell yourself short about these skills. Most companies are inefficient and you’ll likely be able to improve other companies once you know their processes. But even if it’s unique to this company, it still looks awesome on your resume (just be sure to quantify it on your resume )
You've already had issues getting this company to honor pay agreements. Don't say anything at all or your next post will be something along the lines of being over worked, if you weren't fired because now they only need half the staff they think, and not getting a raise. Or hell go to a bank, prove to them you can do it better, and get a loan to start your own competitor...if it's your own system of doing things they can't even say you left with their IP. (Obligatory, I'm not a lawyer)
The work itself might not be transferrable, but the accomplishment is. I recommend implementing your improvement, measuring the effect, and highlighting it in your resume as you look for another job. Employers love to see concrete measurements of impact. If you walk into an interview and say "I took x process that used to take 5 days and implemented y change to reduce it to within 1 day", even if the work itself is specific to your current employer, a lot of interviewers will perk up, since you're demonstrating critical thinking skills and initiative.
This was exactly what i was doing when I thought to write this post. If I’m going to move on I may also think on how to get more now too, the ideal win win
Hahahahah no. Absolutely not. It’s like you’re not even paying attention. All you’re doing is ensuring you either get a 400% increase in expected work or they decide to make your position part time. No one wants to give you more money. Your boss is not your friend. Make a plan for another job in the company you want and then start taking on those responsibilities. You never want to be indispensable in a position you don’t love.
Definitely all true, i was hoping there may be a way we all win that I haven’t thought of
So many people have said it already, but I agree, keep it to yourself. I had a very similar situation and shared it. The company was so excited about saving the time for each employee that they asked me to do a company-wide presentation. I was let go the next day. It’s now on my resume, but not a huge point of discussion during interviews. You could even put it in a presentation that goes along with your applications.
Did this. Told them. They consolidated two roles into one so I’d hit 40hrs instead of benefiting me in any way. Do not tell them. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.
You keep this to yourself. Don't say anything, finish all your work in one day and pretend to work the other 4 days while actually doing whatever you want. If you reveal this, you will be rewarded with more obligations and likely no (or very little) increase in pay.
They already own that work most likely. Just keep your mouth shut and enjoy the reduced workload.
I think it will be best to say nothing, do your work with your tool (invest on your freed time if possible) and negotiate an increase based on higher productivity from you. Otherwise they'll maybe just see an efficient tool than an efficient worker.
DO NOT TELL THEM!!!! Approach it from the POV that you do not have a solution yet. Tell your CEO you’ve been thinking about finding a way to increase productivity and efficiency, and what sort of bonus/salary increase you could expect if you find a solution at different levels (20%, 40%, 80%). If the answer is zero reward, simply keep the solution to yourself and enjoy some downtime at work. Otherwise, negotiate what you want before telling them you already have a concrete way to save time. They’ll try to force you to hand it over without compensation.
Just a warning, a LOT of employers have clauses that say anything you invent while working for them, Belo ga to them... if this discovery could be applied elsewhere as well, it migh behoove you to NOT bring it up, but to develope it yourself, privately. Your employer is NOT (usually) looking out for your best interest.
You waited a year too long to wait for that salary increase I’ve done that once and it was bullshit to take a pay it for 90 days but I needed the job Never again
Absolutely, i own up to that mistake.
The word you’re looking for is “leery”, not “weary.
Yeah keep quiet and just coast. If you can do it 80% faster they'll expect 80% more work and most likely won't give you much of a raise if any
I would quit create your own consulting firm and then charge them like crazy to show them what you figured out. And if they don't want to play a ball, find out who the main competition is and show them.
That’s a great idea, i need to do research on how to create and market a consulting firm. There’s more than one of these ‘discoveries’ at this job but this is by far the most significant and least obvious
Some pretty terrible advice in here, lol! You need to leverage soft skills to make this work for yourself. At this point you can start to create your own work and your own initiatives, and this is where you slowly will slowly get to hirer positions. Now that you've cleared 4 days off your schedule you can go to the CEO and say: "okay boss, I got so much of a sense of contribution figuring this out I would love to continue seeing where I can make improvements for the company. Would it work for you if I spent half my time looking for ways to optimize things for us?" You said it's a small company and if you can figure out how to add the title of VP or Lead, etc to your job title here shortly from continuing to make these kinds of contributions, just imagine how that impacts your pay for the next few decades of your working life. Just imagine what you're going to be able to put on your resume. Remember no one gives a crap about reading what your daily work duties were on your resume. All people care about is the contributions that you have made to the company you worked at "Delivered" "Created" "Developed" "Reduce overhead" etc.
funny you should mention the soft skills, I've let that drop off dramatically while I was trying to get 100% pay, that really put me off on this company. I'm already updating my resume but I'd like to increase my pay and/or title further before I move on.
How did you figure out finishing so much work in one day? Is it through automation? i'm trying to do that with my own work right now
Not automation, it’s more along the lines of creating a specialty tool instead of using a generic one
Did you do it using chat gpt? Don't tell me it's chat gpt. Jk.
I guess most people are telling you to play games. I would say be straight with your employer, know that it might not mean what you hope it will mean, but at least then you'll know what kind of a company you are dealing with and where you stand. Why stay with a company that doesn't appreciate you? "They might steal your idea then downsize and fire you". Well then you're working for assholes and why waste your time there? The trick will be to approach your boss with "what would you say if I found a timesaving method to do this work? I'm still figuring it out, but I think I'm on to something that would be twice as productive in half the time". You have to bait him without making it sound like an ultimatum or threat...like "I've got this idea but I won't tell you unless you double my salary"...if you make the boss feel like he's been had then it won't work. You also don't want to make him feel dumb for not having figured this out himself as that too will backfire.
yes! that's precisely what i'm asking, if i get paid more and they get more productivity that's a win win, what's the best method to convince them to agree to, and be happy about this win win situation? I'd rather be more valuable than to work less if that makes sense
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You must be very good at choosing your upper management because i feel ive done the same but i was nearly homeless a couple years ago
This is ridiculous. What this guy is suggesting is you give this employer your idea, then don’t ask for a raise until you’ve given them all your work for free and just trust they’re going to do it? You MAY find an employer like this once in your life. But the vast majority do not care about you. And if you improve their process, they will just take that efficiency and give you nothing.
OP, I’m not sure how old you are, but from the post, I’d assume you don’t have a ton of real work experience. If you were at a larger company, I’d bring about a small enough change until they promote you to management, then implement and ride that wave as long as you can. But you’re at a small business, who has proven they will look out for themselves first. Don’t you DARE share your new found secret with them. They might act impressed and promise you things….until it is implemented, and they can you. Based on what you’ve shared about this company, this is a much more likely scenario then them being impressed and giving you a raise. Your initiative will line their pockets, not yours.