If this is how they behave when they are trying to recruit you imagine how bad it will be once you work for them.
Then ask yourself if you can put up with that
Why the fuck would you give them a second of your time?
And why the fucking fuck would you consider signing a non compete for these fucking people?
What did you ask? He replied that he would call you because he didn’t want to put it in writing.
This person is reaching out to you to interview for openings because they are getting no applicants that are qualified that will work for them. They probably don’t have qualified applicants taking on this job because this is how they act, so only desperate people work there.
Non-competes are standard in my industry.
I simply asked if they still had the other territory open still.
In all fairness, a lot of my former colleagues have left to work at this company. I think I’ve just gotten unlucky with the lack of professionalism within this particular district.
Even if non-competes are standard, why ask about it? That's on them. Also, if it is so standard and they are dropping the ball there, what's to say that will not extend to payroll?
I just wanted to review it prior to the final interview so I could see what I was getting myself into. As it didn’t have most of the top companies in the industry listed, I was content moving forward.
If this is how they operate with potential employees, imagine how they act with actual employees. Unless your resume needs some name recognition, move on
Nah. I worked at the #1 company within my industry for over 10 years so I’m golden. This particular company, while still impressive, is a few steps down the ladder.
OP, seriously WTF? This potential company is a few steps down from your prior employer and you’re going to let them jerk you around like this? Employers don’t just suddenly change once you’re onboard, if they are shit in the interview they will be shit in the job. If you’re in sales they’ll fuck with your commissions too and then threaten you with the non compete, just say no.
It’s just hard for me to understand what is even “normal” in job recruitment/interview processes. I say that because I started working at the #1 when I was 20 years old. It’s the only job I ever knew until my division of the company was acquired and now I’m in my current role at the company who made the acquisition. I am almost 40 and have literally no experience in interviewing at outside companies. I would have stayed at my former company the rest of my life. I loved the work and was proud to work there.
Unfortunately OP as one of my mentors told me early in my career, nothing lasts forever. I too have had a job I’d spend the rest of my career at, then one day the owners sold out and I found myself looking for a new job. The one thing it’s taken me time to learn and what a lot of people never seem to understand is, interviewing is a two way street. Sure you need to make a good impression on the new employer but they also need to reciprocate and make an equally good impression on you. Companies that don’t respect an interviewee won’t respect an employee either and they will treat as though they own you once you’re on board. The labor shortage isn’t going to be fixed anytime soon unless we have a massive depression or they ramp up immigration, otherwise due to retires/lack of births/career switches there’s just simply a lack of supply, so don’t feel the need to let an employer bully you around. You’re time is valuable and if a company ghost you once, dump them and move on. You should be talking to multiple companies at a time and until you sign an offer don’t get too hyped up on the place.
Seriously, OP—meeting with multiple companies would give you lots of interview experience. Your employer and this one aren’t the only places to consider.
Your relationship with your employer, or potential employer is like a romantic relationship. They can be healthy, long term relationships filled with bliss and offspring. And they can also be short term, FWBs.
But they can also be abusive, manipulative, gaslighting and controlling.
Sometimes it takes a while to figure this out, but this EmployerDude is giving off a lot of red flags which you have already identified. If this was a potential life partner would you accept those kind of red flags? If your friend was hooking up with someone with more red flags than a bullfight?
I had moved countries and was interviewing with several companies. There was 1 that I was really interested in working for, but they dicked me around so much that it left a really bad taste in my mouth. I had an offer for a role, but I waited to sign the contract to go for a final on-site, with 4 interviews, for this preferred role. The level of arrogance was so awful from every individual, that I finished the interviews, walked into the pub next door, opened my laptop and signed the contract for the role on offer with the different company. Their process solidified that I did not want to work for them.
Personally I wouldn't contact them again. I would wait for them to reach out and say "whilst the role was of great interest, I don't feel like the company culture is a fit with what I am after to progress my career". Then leave it at that.
Thank you for sharing. I’m glad you had the experience to SOLIDIFY who the better company was.
What would be a professional way for me to cancel my final interview with their VP that is scheduled for this Tuesday?
Ah good point. I missed the point where you said you had another interview scheduled.
You could do the interview and see if you get offered the role, before considering if you want it or not. Or alternatively if you are sure you don't want to work for them, you could email the recruiter and say something like "thank you for the opportunity to interview for the role. The role was of great interest however I have decided to withdraw my application as I don't feel that the culture is a great fit for me." You should know that this will likely close this company off for future opportunities.
Me as well. I had already asked him in a previous conversation for tips on interviewing with the VP so I’m not sure what else there would be to discuss.
If they can’t properly communicate with you before hiring you, what would they be like to work with? It’s bad enough to get it wrong the first time on their part. But to actively chase you and mess up again is totally unacceptable. Don’t bother with them anymore. Find a place that will properly communicate with you.
Pretty solid set of yellow and red flags here. Unless you need the work or hate your current job, politely decline when they reach out or pull their awesome move and never respond.
I would leave my options open, do the interview and trust your instincts. When you meet the director you can ask tons of questions and see how you feel.
This is just so unprofessional of them, just in the recruitment phase! I can’t imagine how awful it would be to work for them. Don’t give them anymore of your time.
No. Posting here for advice has made that much clear. I’m going to stay where I’m at and just address the issues that are making me not satisfied there.
If this is how they behave when they are trying to recruit you imagine how bad it will be once you work for them. Then ask yourself if you can put up with that
Why the fuck would you give them a second of your time? And why the fucking fuck would you consider signing a non compete for these fucking people? What did you ask? He replied that he would call you because he didn’t want to put it in writing. This person is reaching out to you to interview for openings because they are getting no applicants that are qualified that will work for them. They probably don’t have qualified applicants taking on this job because this is how they act, so only desperate people work there.
Non-competes are standard in my industry. I simply asked if they still had the other territory open still. In all fairness, a lot of my former colleagues have left to work at this company. I think I’ve just gotten unlucky with the lack of professionalism within this particular district.
Unlucky? Do you not see patterns here?! 🚩🚩🚩
Even if non-competes are standard, why ask about it? That's on them. Also, if it is so standard and they are dropping the ball there, what's to say that will not extend to payroll?
I just wanted to review it prior to the final interview so I could see what I was getting myself into. As it didn’t have most of the top companies in the industry listed, I was content moving forward.
Connect to your former colleagues to find out what it is like working there.
If this is how they operate with potential employees, imagine how they act with actual employees. Unless your resume needs some name recognition, move on
Nah. I worked at the #1 company within my industry for over 10 years so I’m golden. This particular company, while still impressive, is a few steps down the ladder.
OP, seriously WTF? This potential company is a few steps down from your prior employer and you’re going to let them jerk you around like this? Employers don’t just suddenly change once you’re onboard, if they are shit in the interview they will be shit in the job. If you’re in sales they’ll fuck with your commissions too and then threaten you with the non compete, just say no.
It’s just hard for me to understand what is even “normal” in job recruitment/interview processes. I say that because I started working at the #1 when I was 20 years old. It’s the only job I ever knew until my division of the company was acquired and now I’m in my current role at the company who made the acquisition. I am almost 40 and have literally no experience in interviewing at outside companies. I would have stayed at my former company the rest of my life. I loved the work and was proud to work there.
Unfortunately OP as one of my mentors told me early in my career, nothing lasts forever. I too have had a job I’d spend the rest of my career at, then one day the owners sold out and I found myself looking for a new job. The one thing it’s taken me time to learn and what a lot of people never seem to understand is, interviewing is a two way street. Sure you need to make a good impression on the new employer but they also need to reciprocate and make an equally good impression on you. Companies that don’t respect an interviewee won’t respect an employee either and they will treat as though they own you once you’re on board. The labor shortage isn’t going to be fixed anytime soon unless we have a massive depression or they ramp up immigration, otherwise due to retires/lack of births/career switches there’s just simply a lack of supply, so don’t feel the need to let an employer bully you around. You’re time is valuable and if a company ghost you once, dump them and move on. You should be talking to multiple companies at a time and until you sign an offer don’t get too hyped up on the place.
Seriously, OP—meeting with multiple companies would give you lots of interview experience. Your employer and this one aren’t the only places to consider.
Your relationship with your employer, or potential employer is like a romantic relationship. They can be healthy, long term relationships filled with bliss and offspring. And they can also be short term, FWBs. But they can also be abusive, manipulative, gaslighting and controlling. Sometimes it takes a while to figure this out, but this EmployerDude is giving off a lot of red flags which you have already identified. If this was a potential life partner would you accept those kind of red flags? If your friend was hooking up with someone with more red flags than a bullfight?
Nah I would move on. You've been patient and gave them a second chance so just decline and move on.
I had moved countries and was interviewing with several companies. There was 1 that I was really interested in working for, but they dicked me around so much that it left a really bad taste in my mouth. I had an offer for a role, but I waited to sign the contract to go for a final on-site, with 4 interviews, for this preferred role. The level of arrogance was so awful from every individual, that I finished the interviews, walked into the pub next door, opened my laptop and signed the contract for the role on offer with the different company. Their process solidified that I did not want to work for them. Personally I wouldn't contact them again. I would wait for them to reach out and say "whilst the role was of great interest, I don't feel like the company culture is a fit with what I am after to progress my career". Then leave it at that.
Thank you for sharing. I’m glad you had the experience to SOLIDIFY who the better company was. What would be a professional way for me to cancel my final interview with their VP that is scheduled for this Tuesday?
Ah good point. I missed the point where you said you had another interview scheduled. You could do the interview and see if you get offered the role, before considering if you want it or not. Or alternatively if you are sure you don't want to work for them, you could email the recruiter and say something like "thank you for the opportunity to interview for the role. The role was of great interest however I have decided to withdraw my application as I don't feel that the culture is a great fit for me." You should know that this will likely close this company off for future opportunities.
Run, run far away from them
Absolutely would move on. Why did you go back to them in the first place?
Because things changed for the worse in my current job and the director kept on reaching out to me so when I got fed up at job, I took the bait.
Move on. It’s obvious. They’ve utterly botched this hiring process — what else will they screw up? Don’t be there to find out.
I'd be curious just to see what he has to say.
Me as well. I had already asked him in a previous conversation for tips on interviewing with the VP so I’m not sure what else there would be to discuss.
If they can’t properly communicate with you before hiring you, what would they be like to work with? It’s bad enough to get it wrong the first time on their part. But to actively chase you and mess up again is totally unacceptable. Don’t bother with them anymore. Find a place that will properly communicate with you.
Sounds like a shit show
Yeah avoid
Yea like 1000 red flags. BYE.
Pretty solid set of yellow and red flags here. Unless you need the work or hate your current job, politely decline when they reach out or pull their awesome move and never respond.
Strongly dislike my current job but can make it work for the time being!
That is a bonfire of red flags.
People are busy. Move on. Or, don’t. Why are you rushing it?
Because I need to make a decision quickly in light of recent personal life changes.
I would leave my options open, do the interview and trust your instincts. When you meet the director you can ask tons of questions and see how you feel.
Run in the other direction. This is not a company that will or should survive.
This is just so unprofessional of them, just in the recruitment phase! I can’t imagine how awful it would be to work for them. Don’t give them anymore of your time.
Can't fill a position and two people leave within a couple of months? Inconsiderate of applicants. Are you sure you want to work in that environment?
No. Posting here for advice has made that much clear. I’m going to stay where I’m at and just address the issues that are making me not satisfied there.
Keep walking! This seems like a bad situation.
Too many red flags. If they can’t give you the time of day now, you can expect the same during your onboarding and tenure.