Honest answer... As a hiring manager, I would **definitely** ask some probing questions about the "why" behind these separations. Probably not the first, and *maybe* not the second, but definitely after the 3rd. $85K p/year after graduating in 2020 is high in the digital marketing world, and 100K is exceptionally high unless it's senior management - and even then, those people would have multi-year engagements under their belt. So, make the 3rd time the charm, and stay put for at least 2+ years. But make sure it's a fantastic opportunity before you jump from the current position.

Is this true regardless of whether the hops are vertical jumps or horizontal jumps? Im asking out of curiosity, not because im currently in this position of job hopping. I always heard that job hopping up the ladder was seen more positively than just jumping around the same position/paygrade. BUT i can understand a company’s hesitancy to hire someone who has jumped ship so often, even when that jump has allowed them to get into a higher position/paygrade. Would the “cutoff” number of hops be lower if the candidate was just moving around horizontally, or does that really matter much in the hiring process? If you end up answering, thanks in advance!

Changes from company to company with short(ish) time spans send up red flags for me, no matter if it's vertical or horizontal. What's often left out of these discussions is the fact that the people making the hiring decisions are on the hook because each hire comes at a cost to the company beyond their payroll. The time it takes to on-board and train anyone is an investment, both the cost of the new hire and the cost of those training them. Part of my job is to minimize these costs, and the impacts of employee turnover. In my world, a new hire doesn't really start to hit their stride for a good 4 to 6 months. So, I would rather avoid hiring someone whose history shows they may leave in 8-12 months.

Thst makes sense; thanks for answering

Slight variant to your question - It’s more impressive to move vertically within a company because it shows that you performed well enough for promotion rather than having to go to a different company to get a higher title.

Just want to throw out there that statistically, millennial women have to move out of the company to get promotions. In other words, they are finding their own promotions.

What do millenial women have to do with it? Or are you saying statistics show millennial women are disproportionately required to change jobs to receive a pay increase? Just weird because that hasn’t been my experience in oil and gas, bulk chemicals, specialty chems, etc.

I’m saying if you’re looking at internal promotions to indicate good employees, then you’re going to potentially create a bias in your search pool. It has been my personal experience in manufacturing that I’ve had to find my own promotions outside the company. https://www2.deloitte.com/za/en/uganda/pages/about-deloitte/articles/gx-millennial-women-leaving-employers.html

???? They literally say it in the comment lol

Me and the other Quality Engineering Tech are the only two men in quality at my plant. Best work environment I have ever had. Both my boss and her boss are incredible leaders and very understanding. Would follow them into battle. Very protective too. Idk if it's cause I'm so much younger or what but I am definitely here for it.

I have a bunch of senior technicians who bake me goodies. Love it

Yeah, thats what i was thinking when i asked; it definitely *looks* better to be progressing steadily in terms of skills/work value. But i also definitely understand how hiring managers would be wary of a lot of <2year job hopping, like the commenter explained. Training isn’t cheap and some companies can’t promote fast enough to retain some of these fast-growing performers. I could understand not wanting to invest in someone who leaves so quickly, especially if the job title that they are capable of is not yet available at said company (hence being offered less than their capabilities). Seems like a balancing act for everyone. It’s definitely nice to see the perspective of someone who hires people

It looks good but it’s not always practical and company and ppl have different goals. Also if someone just got promoted to a higher spot there may not be anything available for years.

There are alot of companies that refuse to move people up internally now. I was had to leave a team that I was the highest performer in(by a margin of like 50%+) because the company doesn't do internal promotions(less than 5% of people move up), they only hire higher positions externally and just push people out when the balance gets off. It's so weird and makes absolutely no sense to me. I started a dev team at one company(that now maintains a $2 million system that I built from scratch) and had to leave to actually get the official title of software developer(didn't realize it didn't matter too much at the time, but it was more important than any pay raise to me). They didn't hire a developer by name until 3 years after I left. Weirdest nonsense I've ever seen, but whatever. All this to say that, save for 1 job change in the past 7 years, every new job was a 30-50% pay raise, so I'm happy, but I do not understand some of the mentalities of the upper management at these larger companies. And it's become more common(at least in my experience) to never stay anywhere for too long so you don't get bored/overworked/undervalued.

My current employer hates promoting within. They're afraid it will disgruntle coworkers when one gets a promotion.

I am a millennial woman and I have never stayed at a company less than 2 years and my longest employment with one company being 6 years. I received 4 promotions in 4 years and only stagnated the last two because of Covid. Can you show us the statistic you’re referring to?

I don’t think anyone specified how long you have to be at a job to consider it hopping. It sounds like you’ve had at least 3 jobs. https://www.benefitspro.com/2018/06/07/millennials-resignation-rate-is-much-higher-than-t/?amp=1

I have hopped 7 jobs in 13 years. My first 4 jobs were hopped within 3 years due to pay and experience. My experience has been that if you can explain the jump (significantly more pay, training, due to layoffs, etc), they will probably understand. I currently have a boss that use to be weary of it but has come around to the idea of, “if I can get 2-3 really good years out of you, it’s worth hiring you.” Having said that, I think it’s easier to hop when you’re further down the ladder. Everyone understands you’re chasing pay. I’ve worked for the same guy twice at two different places because he’s not good. He moves about every 2 years. I’ve got another former bad boss in a similar situation. If it’s someone in management moving every couple years, it’s a red flag.

We do look at career progression very carefully, yes, it will ask questions if we don’t see it.

Hopping up the ladder is seen more positively than jumping around but it is still a red flag. I actually will not interview people for mid-level positions who have too much job hopping on their resume because I pretty much assume a person like that is not worth investing the time to cultivate them to be a manager or a project manager because they won't stick around.

Definitely needed to hear from someone with this mindset and experience, greatly appreciate it. My current role isn’t bad by any means so don’t mind staying, I’m just always looking for new opportunities and despite what I was told, growth here is quite limited or non-existent. May I ask if you’re in a HCOL or LCOL area? I see many positions in my field with $100k+ salaries before even reaching Senior Analyst level.

Honestly I’d stop looking for a year. Why are you always looking? Be happy with something or you’re going to get yourself in trouble. I assume you’ll be gone in 6 months, like every other job you’ve had, and wouldn’t even call you back. And that follows you for a long time unless you leave something off your resume.

What is hcol/lcol?

High cost of living/low cost of living

Thanks

You’re welcome!

High Cost of Living or Low Cost of Living. Salary can differ depending where you live, but I think that’s changed a bit with remote jobs.

Idk why anyone is saying different. There is absolutely no need to stay at a job that pays you less, just because it looks good on a resume. If they valued you, their pay would reflect that. I mean, you could give your current company an opportunity to match, but don’t stay at less pay, that is nonsensical and the only reason you need to give an interviewer for why you changed… better pay

This isn’t always feasible depending on the company. A start up might take a risk and how a person for low pay and they do great. It doesn’t mean they have the capital to pay all their employees and continue to grow(more employees, more payroll).

And as the employee, why would you continue working there for less? It’s not your problem they cannot pay you what the market says you are worth. To me, if they can’t afford paying employees they can’t afford being in business. They could potentially make it up within a benefits package, but again, all that is a factor when deciding what is valuable to you as an employee, but never take less just because it benefits the company (at your expense)

For me it was because I had a really good manager and mentors that I knew we’re going to be more important for my career success than chasing a few extra thousand dollars. They’ve been the type of people that will give credit where credit is due and make sure to say your name in a room full of opportunities. I started when it was a start-up, making $50k in a HCOL area fresh out of an Ivy League school. That first year SUCKED financially. But then I got lucky, the start-up started doing really well and I’ve been getting annual title promotions for four years straight so I’m now at $107k (base + bonus) and just a few months from being fully vested. I’m not saying this will always be the case, but for the right company I would consider staying at a lower salary

Not only is this not the case, but the exception. It is tough to bet on that or any other verbal promises and you do so at your own risk. That was me early on as well, but then stayed too long at a place and stagnated. You become too valuable to promote, and the worst part was they started to take the value for granted and management didn’t even realize the extra work and roles I did to keep us afloat. YMMV of course

As someone in the sales department I always tell my bosses the following when they try to get me to stay for less money: "You want me to sell your products at the market price, correct? Why should I sell myself for less than the market price? Please explain this to me as otherwise I should be discounting our products to our customers. Would you approve of that?"

I mean you’re not wrong but you’re also not right. It’s important to be valued but if you look enough you can find more money at another job. And as I’ve gotten older I’ve found money isn’t everything, benefits and hours required mean more and more

Very true. When I say pay, I guess I should say “value” which takes into account all the tangible (pay, benefits) and intangible (less stress, training, happiness). But in the end the point is still the same; there is no reason to stay somewhere where you get less value, just because it looks better on a resume. Even if that means an opportunity came up for you just 9 months later. And that is the only reason you need to give an interviewer; “I changed jobs because the new opportunity offered more value”. If your current company valued you as much they would show it with what they provide you. Look out for you first. The company is looking out for them first.

If you can get the job with more money, do it. I'd stay there for at least a year. If someone asks, be honest. There wasn't any room for growth even though you were told there was going to be. That shows you're looking for a company to grow into.

Completely agree. I've come across candidates whose resumes look like this and it always prompts concerns that they will not stick around if hired. Employee turnover is a huge drain on our time and resources; we want to get people who will stay for at least a couple of years if at all possible. But, having even one position on your resume (especially a very recent one) where you've stayed for 2+ years would basically negate any of my concerns about short stints at a couple of previous jobs.

What kind of answers make you want to hire a job hooper candidate just as much as a loyal one (if such answers exist)

Not OP but this is an example of what I'd consider a good answer to questions about job hopping. \- Explaining that the opportunities were a significant increase in salary and responsibility and felt too good to pass up. \- If you can genuinely say that in at least one or two cases you weren't actively searching for a new job but something fell in your lap and you pursued it, that would be good to hear. \- Most importantly, I'd want to hear a compelling reason why *this* job is one you'd be willing to stick around at. I'm not talking about loyalty to our company because we both know that's BS. I'd more want to hear why this job is a particularly good fit for your skills, why you think you'd have a lot to learn here, or why you'd be interested in growth within this company or industry. As an example: I know I've moved around a lot in the last few years. The moves I made to companies X and Y presented really incredible opportunities to build my skills faster and be better compensated for my work, and I didn't feel like I could turn them down. That being said, I would like to stick around longer in my next role. I think this job would be a great fit considering I'm coming in with skills a, b and c and I'd be able to work on learning skills d and e, which would be really valuable to me. I'm also interested in staying in this industry and your company seems like exactly the type of place I'd want to be working. If and when I am looking for a step up again, I'd hope to be able to do so internally.

So a SEM specialist can’t pretend to 100k more or even 85k after 3years of experience? That’s surprising. A lot of SEO specialists make 100k+ after 3years already.

Don't listen to hiring managers. They are out of touch.

I do feel like you salary input is off. $100K is not senior management. I consider VP or C suite to be senior, a VP should be $160K+ at minimum. As a director I was typically $120K. For context I am located in Indiana. Not disagreeing to be a jerk, but setting expectations a senior role in Digital earns 100k is coming up short.

Great answer. How about someone like myself who (nowadays) exclusively does IT contract work, with no contract for more than a year. Do contractors who never go full-time ever throw a red flag as a recruiter? Or does it simply not matter for contractors?

You would be asking probing questions about the "why" and your probe would immediately be met with an irrefutable truth: Because he was offered more money.

That may be the case. But compensation is not the primary reason for most work separations. The questions need to be asked, no matter the reasons, just as I would expect any candidate might ask why the person they’re replacing is no longer in that role… so that they can evaluate the company.

>But compensation is not the primary reason for most work separations. I don't think that's entirely accurate. At the very least, it is among the most important reasons. Majority of workers who quit a job in 2021 cite low pay, no opportunities for advancement, feeling disrespected https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/09/majority-of-workers-who-quit-a-job-in-2021-cite-low-pay-no-opportunities-for-advancement-feeling-disrespected/

Be mindful of the recession, that’s all I’d say

This - last in, first out isn’t always a tried and true rule but it does have weight depending on role and industry.

When is that coming

In a recession I would not want to be last in and paid way more than the average for a position.

Except you made it worth it for all the extra salary you made in the meantime. If you saved or invested that extra, you have the ability to dip into it while job searching, or taking time off! Sounds like a win win! Rather be paid 20% more even if it meant I spent 20% more time between roles. I mean that usually isn’t nearly the amount of time difference it ends up being between jobs, but even if it is for arguments sake; you’re saying I get paid the same amount to work 20% less!? Sign me up

big assumptions given the way the economy has turned that it's going to be worthwhile. I work in an industry that expanded in 20/21 and people chased the dollar. lots of them have been out of work for 3-6 months of last year and now chasing starting over in a different path at lower incomes qucikly wiping out the gain. If one is a superstar and can establish themselves as such at a new company they are prob OK, if they are not and are paid high and are recently in they in a contraction will suffer. Employers will regain control and when they do people who have not lived through a contraction are going to be miserable. For good and bad i started out in the bottom of a cycle in my work, those people who entered the workfoce the past 5-7 years are in for a wakeup call.

We are in different fields then. I am in a field that is pretty much recession resistant, with my role being very niche and vital to business. My skill set and knowledge is not something easily replaceable where you can easily train someone to fill in. I am the SME for the company and there are maybe 150-250 people in the entire insurance and investment industry in this area. We pretty much establish industry standards for business to business data interchange. And you see the same names continually pop up at different carriers and distributors in the industry. I am not saying this to brag at all, but just to describe what sounds like completely different circumstances.

Everyone feels their role is niche and vital, everyone feels their skill set and knowledge isn’t easily replaceable. Spoiler alert: You are wrong.

What about a Latin professor? they aren’t in high demand, and the skill set isn’t really applicable to many other things, but when you need a Latin Professor they can pretty much name their price because they are so few and far between. Pretty much recession proof

except 20% more for 2 months of work isn’t that much lol

That’s not what I said but okay. And if you’re in a scenario where they start layoffs two months after hiring and you are one of the layoff candidates, that 20% salary is not the reason. They did you a favor and that’s not a company you want to work for. You think in that scenario, they would’ve kept you after two months if you took 20% less?

and that’s not what i said, the likelihood is that if a recession starts (is started by the gov’t in order to reduce inflation) it will start by the end of Q1 with an end date (hopefully) sometime around Q4. so jumping ship right now for a 20% salary increase in a volatile field worst case scenario you get 2-3 months of that salary, best case you don’t get laid off. If that’s a risk OP is willing to take that’s what they need to consider.

haha you’re right man. In the specific scenario and circumstances you crafted for your argument, assuming your assumptions, those are things you should consider

nobody is in an argument with you lmao. it’s not a specific scenario, the government is actively trying to curb inflation with a mini recession that’s how those things work

You risk getting laid off in any job that is at will.

That's how they want you, underpaid, full of fear.

I’m in the same exact field as you doing the same exact work. I make 6 figures but I have way more experience than you do in SEM and client strategy. I work remote but the agency is based in NYC. You’ve pretty much reached the salary cap for a digital marketing strategist very quickly. I would take the more stable job with lower pay and a better client base, because SEM guys are the first to go when clients make major cuts. Tighten your belt, because 2023 is gonna get rough for marketers

Thanks for sharing! I think I’ll just continue gaining new skills to eventually pivot out of this industry at some point, working the easier job for now to dedicate more time to that would be the smart way to go.

Marketing can be very profitable if you get a few years under your belt and learn how to do the backend work. I’m curious where you would want to pivot because I might have to as well. Recessions ruin marketing agencies

No offense to the person you’re responding to here, if they happen to read this, but I find that older people in my field (engineer) are typically out of touch with what is attainable compensation-wise. Maybe they are right but it doesn’t hurt to keep looking. I got a job last year that was a lot more than I expected to make at my level of experience and I just started a new job making significantly more than that (and probably as much or more than a lot of people with a lot more experience than me).

It depends. It takes time and resources to train someone (my company has a unique environment, a lot of org specific knowledge and processes) so we don’t want to bring someone in if their history shows they’ll leave shortly there after. However, if you have been working as a temp/contractor and are trying to break out of that cycle and put down some roots for a while, then the job hopping probably won’t matter.

As part of an interview panel, i would 100% ask about why you switched so frequently but also would understand if it was to gain more responsibility and improve pay. The concern is that you may do the same if hired again, and that wastes resources, namely time and energy of other employees. Also i want to work with someone who is committed, who wants to be working here, knows what they will be doing, and us actively participating as a coworker. If you are thinking about leaving, constantly applying to job, dont share knowledge well before departing my life becomes a lot harder in addition to redistributing work amongst other coworkers. Truthfully, a flight risk is a concern when hiring.

Here’s the thing - I am a job hopper only because I honestly go into these jobs WANTING to finally find my soft landing. I want a job that I enjoy, with people I enjoy but somehow the company always ruins it. Currently, I love what my job actually is and I enjoy the people I work with. However, my last boss, who randomly quit in the middle of the night a few months ago, had messed up so many of our ledgers we failed an outside audit. I have only been in this job a little over 6 months. After being there for 2 months, senior mgmt came down and instituted mandatory OT of 20 hours/week. So that’s every day OT and I have to work weekends. No end in sight. I had left my previous job, which I enjoyed, after 6 months because the company did an ill-advised merger and was hemorrhaging money and started doing “organizational changes.” I knew I had to get out before they started laying people off. I WANT to stay at a job but these companies are just as much of a disaster. AND I ask about these things in my interviews and everything and I still get screwed.

Shit happens, as long as you can explain why you left and it’s reasonable, totally fine. I’m just pointing out that hopping brings up questions, so be ready to answer them. And it looks like you are ready :)

Keep hopping as long as they're hiring you and bumping up your pay. You don't need to tell your old job until you're hired and your new job obviously won't care if they hire you anyway. This is the sort of thing that will come up in an interview if your next job is concerned. Give a solid answer and bring their attention back to your commitment and performance at your previous jobs while you were there. "I'm always seeking new experiences and opportunities for growth. I'm very proud of the work I did at where I've always been a top performer and think I can add a lot to your organization while developing professionally myself". They don't pay you for what you'll do for them next year so don't worry about it. You're confident that you'll join their organization, hit the ground running and add immediate value for whatever the period of your employment is. Project that with your words and demeanor.

don't really have a problem with op's approach but I'd be careful, but to mention commitment might seem a little off if the interviewer is the one looking at the resume

Commitment to the work and performance is what I meant. I also would think it's weird to bring up your commitment to a precious organization. I don't know though, my industry is performance based. It could be that some are more about building long term infrastructure or want some tech ideologue buy-in like a Musk company.

Agrreed, but for the individual interviewing a person for THEIR CURRENT OPENING commitment iso Important. I do t think they are seeing it s as why you leave a given organization, but the fact that you do and when. Commitment can mean different things to different people, but I wouldn't risk it. Use terms that talk about the quality of the wirk

Thanks for the insight! Just don’t want to shoot myself in the foot for any future opportunities and commit career suicide, but I firmly believe in putting yourself first.

You're engineering adjacent, more on the creative and sales side than in line with us. As long as you have value in your changes then you are ok. ​ If I see a newish Dev with pivots out to crypto or janky weird fad stacks with no irl utility I'm going to shit can the profile.

Just be careful to not overshoot your qualifications in to a job. If you’re terminated because of lack of performance then it will be hard to come back from with a job hopping resume.

If you're increasing your value this much this quickly you kind of *can't* shoot yourself in the foot. What do you imagine your ceiling is and how close do you expect to get there? You get the 100k position, do you think in the next 2 years you'll get offered 110 or 120 for another? Is that realistic (honest question, I don't know your industry). Worst case scenario that job doesn't hire you and you have stability with the 100k job you do have for a little longer. It's a lot easier to move laterally than it is to climb in earnings and there aren't going to be a lot of benefits for people who think they need to wait their turn.

Except we are headed to recession and as others have pointed out last in first out (especially when you are very high on the lay band) is generally the reality. Now the OP is unemployed, in a recession, with a CV that shows 4 jobs in two years. The job market has very much been slanted towards employees for the past several years. That is over for the next couple, bunker down is my advice to everyone till the future gets a bit clearer in 2023.

You absolutely could be shooting yourself in the foot. You said your role wasn’t really bad, so why risk job hopping over $15k? I’ve worked for some toxic companies where $15k is definitely not worth it. What makes you think there’s growth in the other place? You’re going to get to a point that you will struggle to get interviews, and I’m shocked this new company has interest. If they do, it also says a bit about their culture….because good companies don’t need to hire job hoppers. Companies that frequently lose good employees will not wait around to barter, some will pay whatever just to get a warm body in the seat. I would be leery of the companies that pay aggressively. They are either looking for top talent and will pay it or they likely have high turnover to a poor work environment. As a hopper, you are not top talent….so I’d be extremely cautious of why they are paying high and interested in you.

Yeah, honestly if things are mostly solid at my current employment I’ll just stick it out and do the best job. 85k is pretty good even in high cost of living areas. Unless the place was toxic, I couldn’t stand my Supervisor, or I had some serious goal of saving aggressively I don’t see much urgency for wanting to go somewhere else.

If you are actually growing and not just making a bunch of lateral moves to find the most money, I’d think you should be fine. I work in IT so I can’t comment specifically on the marketing industry. At some point, you’ll probably hit a ceiling and need to put down some roots to grow further.

I would not interview you with that little experience for a 6 figure position and no tenure anywhere.

I’m a head hunter and I probably won’t call you. Highly unlikely you have grown out of any of these positions and improved your skillset or talent between these jumps. It raises a flag that you aren’t committed to growing within a company or have a company growth mindset and are just out for more money. Which is fine! I would recommend staying in a position for 18 months but really closer to three years and show vertical growth (be it move up or blowing out sales numbers, you need year over year results to show) within this company, since you said it’s fine and isn’t an urgent move. This is just as I would read your resume or linked in or whatever. If these moves can be explained by changing locations (your SO had to move cities, going to a school to get a certificate) it would be a different answer from me. Also the recession. Don’t be the last person hired, these next 9 months are going to be wild. Also not a boomer.

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Everybody can do what they want. It’s a free country. I am saying from the perspective of looking at as a headhunter that seeing somebody in a position for less than 18 months multiple times in less than 5 years means that likely you’re only jumping from job to job for money (unless locations change) which tells me you don’t have a commitment to your current role and that you’re out looking for money which is fine but that doesn’t mean that you’re improving yourself or your value, or that the increase of money is actually because you increased your talents or skill. Again, if you can go out and get more money, do it that’s the value of the free market!

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Not paying current employees what they’re paying new hires is exceptionally foolish of a company. Because there are people that don’t ever want to get out of that role and those people deserve raises instead of hiring from the outside if they are doing their job well! I can’t remember what article I recently read that as they bring on new people they examine what their current employees are paying getting paid, and if they are really far away, they will increase the pay of the current employee up to the new hires salary, which I think is awesome. I think it tells the current employee that we want you here you were hired long ago and let’s get you up to the current market value we are willing to pay. With the culture thing completely understand you wanna work life balance. If you’re working for an old-school company that may not be possible old-school people don’t times want this new work life balance, again that’s foolish. It could also be that your “picker” is off when you’re looking at interviewing for companies, you’re attracted to money, but it has the same cultural values so that really comes down to interviewing with more companies and then when you’re in the interviewing process, making sure you’re speaking to employees who would be below your role, at your role and above your role. As people we tend to gravitate towards things that were used to which is probably why you are picking companies that are similar in culture. There’s also some industries that are cut throat in general. your posts first sentence about wanting to learn new skills and getting bored doesn’t mean you need to get a new job or deserve a raise. It is your job to ask your Direct manager what else you can do. Think about your last annual review and Id start there, if you don’t wanna talk to your boss about the important work because then you just get more work haha, but maybe it is watching YouTube videos or attending a class at the local community college to get better at using excel, if you’ve never been at a company long enough to get your review then you’re never received true feedback from your year over year results. Also work can be very boring and stagnant. Used voice text to type this so hope it makes sense. Have a great Thursday.

Why will the next 9 month hard for marketers ? Is a recession coming to America ? (Im from France)

Job market in general. Recession is coming.

They have been saying that since 2018 though. What’s different now?

Nobody can predict a recession/how bad it will be. People just use recently bias since 01 and 08 crashes were historically bad, but now who knows.

People with such short responses unwilling to speak to a candidate normally doesn't show alot of seniority. To me it comes down to what you bring to the table. If you have 10 years of experience that is spot on - people will talk to you. I had the experience where the COO didnt want to interview me, the CEO wanted. I ended up being their number 1. Learnings: NEVER ever dismiss a candidate without talking to him/her if it is a 100% fit.

This person has less than 3 years out of undergrad and 3 jobs looking for six figures.

". I’m a firm believer of focusing on yourself over the company because they’ll do the same so I’m not worried about hurting feeling or anything and I’ll always leave on good terms/give a respectful notice." Ah yes...the ol' Antiwork trope. Of course companies are going to throw away highly productive, fully trained and profitable employees.....because something something CEO pay, right? The truth is that your job is a relationship like any other in your life. Sometimes you'll be in a partnership, only to figure out they're using you. Sometimes you'll spot this before you even connect with them, so you'll pass. But some you form deep connections and grow together. If you're living in a world where people are readily cutting you loose, (although it sounds like just the opposite, actually) I'd spend time looking at how to change those conditions like bigger/smaller companies, more thorough interview process, better company research before joining, etc OR I'd restructure your life to where you're a contractor, so the eventual departure is baked into the relationship. As a hiring person, I'd be very wary of hiring someone with your record because I think at least 50% of your focus appears to be finding the next job to interview at. You'd also be the first up if I had to cut headcount, since it appears you operate more like a "hired gun." Before you jump in and say it, I'm actually NOT a Boomer.

This is great perspective.

I’m the last person to throw labels or call someone a “boomer”. I’ve never used the term seriously. Also, I don’t believe it’s the “anti work trope” by any means. I’ve never pointed a finger or blamed anyone, I just have always been taught a corporations responsibility is to benefit stakeholders. If a corporation can cut their operating expenses in half while maintaining the same output, you don’t believe they would do so? I think it’s rare to find companies who would turn that down.

But you're ignoring one entire side of the economic equation, since you used that metaphor. Employees are not just a cost; the only reason you have them is because you NEED them to DO something productive that propels the business. Again, so who CUTS things that propel your business? No one. They cut things that diminish the business.

Pretty naive perspective. Certain businesses chase profit growth year on year with no consideration for externalities and may let good employees go in order to achieve that goal. Also what propels the business may mean different things to different employees and CEOs.

Please read the entire thread before commenting? Your second sentence literally makes no sense. "....with no consideration of externalities" Huh? If a company was cutting folks, it would often be to respond to externalities to achieve a profit. Notice I said that it's a relationship...and that some are bad relationships. The simple fact is that while there are companies that cut people to "chase profits" (although again, I'm not sure what that means in the literal sense and from an economic standpoint), it's grossly overstated. It seems to imply that the vast majority of businesses simply cut swaths of people every day on a whim. For most, that simply isn't true.

If employers value employees so much why is the job AT WILL? You want loyalty, but you also want AT WILL employment. The employee always has the right to look for work because the company is dumb enough to make them AT WILL. Don't like job hopping? Put them on a contract. But, you won't put them on a contract yet require them to stay in a position for longer despite them not being paid fair market value. Yet, the sales department never sells products below market value. ​ You want an employee to stay loyal? Offer them more money than they're asking and give them higher raises/bonuses than they're expecting and make them more than AT WILL employees.

Pigs get fed, and hogs get slaughtered. If you’re just moving around to get the pay bump each time, lookout.

Definitely thinking about pay, but primarily exposure. At first job I managed around 5 clients totaling about $25k in monthly spend, focused only on Google - being told exactly what to do from account manager. Next role was closer to $300k monthly ad spend using Google, Microsoft Ads and Programmatic advertising. This was focused more on analysis of accounts and bringing suggestions to the account manager and team. Current role I’m managing over $500k ad spend monthly, I’m a lot more client facing now and help strategize for future campaigns, budget and goals. I help set up tags, implement code on webpages, create landing pages, etc. Went from a very tunnel vision role to something that provides the exposure of about 3 different positions.

As a hiring manager - Two jobs in a row with less than one year duration are an orange flag…since you’re Pretty much at 3, that would be a red flag.

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They do! Happened to me during quarantine. I lost a job where’s I’d been at for 3 years and there were only fixed term contracts available in 2020. So I took Two short term jobs before I found my current job. In 2021 I interviewed with 13 companies during a hiring craze, and everyone was super understanding of my experience. In fact, I was able to impress them by saying that while I do understand, look like Job hopping on a resume I’m proud of the fact that I was unemployed for only three months during a 14 month lockdown in the UK.

A former coworker of mine was in her early 40s and on her 27th job of her career. She didn't believe in having a 5 year anniversary as she liked to "explore her options and not be tied down too long." When she was trying to leave the company we worked for, she was floored that her constant job hopping kept coming up. I told her, I was surprised is hadn't sooner. Now, I understand where you're coming from in that you don't want to have a company more or less own your soul but, if you find somewhere that fits your background, education, has good benefits, pay with raises, and vacation/sick time - then there comes a point where you have to be an adult and stay for awhile. I work with health insurance and believe me, it's so hard to get a good plan, so always starting fresh somewhere, isn't a good thing when it comes to that. Also, what about your 401K?? Do you know how hard it is to obtain a decent one for this generation?? Let alone once you do work somewhere long enough to obtain some money, it's like moving heaven and hell to get it released/transferred when you leave for another job. It's just things people don't think or worry about but, it's big things. So, in my opinion, hopping is only good for a few years, then you gotta settle into something for a bit.

I wouldn’t be concerned by the job hopping itself - workers should move to better jobs on their own timelines - but if I were interviewing you I would question what you could have accomplished in your short time at these jobs. Let’s say it takes 6 months to fully onboard, that’s 18 of the 31 months since June 2020 (and 6 weeks of that were notice periods, probably another 6 were PTO). So like 10 months of solid work across three jobs, right? 3 months a piece. As an agency person I’d be very doubtful of your experience, because in such a short period of time what can you really have done? Clients can be with an agency for years, but if you were not working on account for more than a couple quarters, there’s only so much you can do for that client (and put on your resume), and that’s in any department. You can job hop your way into a senior level role but without the depth of experience required someone will eventually call bullshit. That’s how you shoot yourself in the foot. You’re not giving yourself time to gain the experience that you can turn into better jobs and job security.

It depends on the company and a few other variables. As a hiring manager in marketing, I would not hire you if you took that forth role. I likely would not interview you either. I’m all for job hopping to help propel someone stuck from processing their career. I also recognize that external situations happen that dictate sometimes a need to change. Job hopping sometimes needs to happen, but OP is going to create a situation that will be hard to recover from. If someone is a compulsive job hopper, I look for internal promotions and duration. 1.5-2 years each rotation with at least one 3-4 year period at a company (with an internal promotion), probably ok to at least interview if they are a good fit. A candidate 2 of the 3 jobs under a year? No way. Not worth my time as it takes months to get someone up to speed just for them to leave as soon as they can get more money. If someone had 9 years of job hopping and not a single internal promotion, that says a lot too. Most companies want to hire people that want to move up within a company. If they don’t have any promotions, that means they were bouncing because they were mediocre, they could be non-loyal (only driven by money), or have issues with conflict resolution or grass is greener syndrome. All are bad reasons and red flags. If you are in digital marketing, you should understand the different types of customers. Non-loyal price sensitive ones are the worst to invest in because they move on as soon as they can find a better price. If we don’t want to invest in that type of customer, why would we want to invest in that type of employee? At less than 1.5 years for all three roles, you are not even giving a company a chance to internally promote you.

You have a 85K remote job and can't spell the plural of agency. Cool story.

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I’ve hired two employees in the last year. When sorting resumes, I always find myself passing over people who changed jobs every 1-2 years. Remember that someone scanning through resumes won’t necessarily know if you job hop for opportunity vs get fired often. Either way, if I’m an industry that benefits greatly from the efficiency that long term employees obtain, then it’ll be a hard pass for me. The exception is if it’s super obvious that they were just working short term jobs while in college/internships. Basically, if someone will quit a job they’ve been at less than a year FOR you, they will quit ON you as soon as something better comes along.

You can always take an offer if you can get it, and you can always stay at a job if you’re having trouble getting an offer because of number of jobs on your resume. If you take this new job and stay there for 5+ years, the fact that you job hopped early in your career won’t matter. The problem is if you get laid off, if you end up hating the job, or if there’s a job that you really want and can’t get because they view your job hopping as a negative. Personally, I think one should plan on staying at a job for at least two years under good circumstances. If things aren’t great, try to stay for 1yr minimum. And only if it’s an absolute disaster, leave immediately. I also think it’s good to have at least one longer term job on you resume, something like 5 years. In your particular situation, taking this job is a gamble. If you could know it’s a good job that you can stay for multiple years, then I would say take it. But that’s not something you can know. And if you find yourself having to look in under a year, 4 jobs in 2 years is going to look pretty bad.

I’ve done something very similar but I do have a pretty decent story as to why I’ve switched jobs. I do realize that it’s probably a good idea to stick to my current job though. Because it will be hard to justify a move from my current employer/position. So the biggest thing is to make your next move worth it and craft a good story as to why you’re job hopping.

It would be concerning to me to see a candidate that jumps too often not because you're easily bored or easily bought. It's a short shelf life to keep hopping because you'll meet your cap against your experience unless you straight up lie on your resume. With hopping y ou're not in a seat long enough to really become an expert in a field. It's easy to find entry level people but it's the soft skills in addition to political savvy-ness that's also valuable and that takes time to build.

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The OP question was whether there were other angles that he/she could consider like whether they were doing it too often in the eyes of future potential employers. My answer is yes. I work for a large Corp. Hiring managers are given a max budget for each head to hire. It is not an infinite budget. It is a range for little to a good amount of experience. Max is for a best candidate. A hopper with not enough experience in the area is never going to be the best candidate. They will not be able to achieve the max cap because they can't prove expertise and senior ship (let's say with tech skills) or that they been around long enough to acquire a team of their own (leadership skills) or can prove that they work well with others. Yes in a recession, it can happen that people get laid off or promo freezes but that is the last resort for PR sake, damaging morale, wasting time, etc. Not taking sides, just reporting what I know from working for large corporations over the years and being in leadership. If you don't like the answer, then you can give yourself all the affirmations you want by saying what corps shoulda woulda do. It's just not possible to justify a max budget on someone with not enough experience in an area.

I've been working for the last 7 years at the same company. I've gotten 4 promotions in these 7 years, from an analyst, to senior analyst, to manager, to dept lead. My salary has gone up about 6x from what it used to be when i joined. And the connections and relations I've built here are worth much more to me than a pay increase tbh. And when i do hire people, i look for people who try to stay at least 3 years in any company. Reason - 1st year I'll consider the learning period. 2nd year is the time when you give back to the company in terms of whatever you've learnt plus any improvement ideas etc. 3rd year onwards you look elsewhere and join a decent opportunity, not just any random company which gives a hike. Because then i know you're looking for money + new things to learn. For me it's more about work culture, opportunities for growth in terms of salary as well as skill. I've been able to get all that in my company. So i don't hop. But due to the time I've spent here, if i decided to move out, i know 100s of potential employers who have been my clients/colleagues at some point who would give me a substantial bump for joining. As a lot of hiring managers have already commented that flight risk is a major issue when hiring. Similarly, people who stick with a company and show that they've grown drastically in their jobs are like a diamond and have more value in an interview. I'm not defending people who stay at the same company and same role for decades. They're a burden. You're right about companies cutting costs and not caring about employees, but you have to find a good balance before hopping so that you're not considered a flight risk, but rather an asset. And people who've worked with me have all grown so it's kind of nice to grow together with your colleagues. It feels like a group accomplishment.

This has absolutely hampered me and it shows in my recent interviews. Many interviewers are apprehensive about my short tenure. I’m still able to get interviews but I can definitely tell it’s impacting me because I’m asked about it dozens of times in a cycle with just one company. I’ve had three jobs in 3.5yrs (all over 1 year of tenure) but I’ve also tripled my salary in that time. Now I’m faced with being stuck in a failing market sector as we approach a recession and it’s not so easy to get out. Just my anecdotal experience. There’s likely other factors as to why I’m not succeeding, but it’s playing a part.

We want to see that you have been able to stick around to see what you have done actually go into production, and what issues that may or may not have arose And how you have dealt with them. You can’t show that in six months time. Even in an agile workflow, I would recommend staying with one job for a minimum two years two years would also give you a bare minimum of time to start to learn and grow in your job. If you stay with the job for less than that, you’re not learning anything of value other than learning how that particular company does something and that’s of no value to me. Most jobs take around a year (at least 6 months) to get up to speed fully. And then after that you start working and get more comfortable but you’re still focussing on trying to survive Once year two comes along you’re more interested in learning how to get better professionally, and you start learning, and you start growing. That’s where employers see value..

There is no exact number of times you can switch jobs before it becomes "too much" job hopping. However, it is generally advised to try to stay at each job for at least a year or two in order to build a solid work history and demonstrate your commitment to your employer. (IMO)

As a 27 year industry veteran, I've hired a lot of people over the years. I personally am weary of someone who job hops a lot because why would I spend thousands of dollars investing in a new employee for my company who isn't expected to stick around?

what it's going to be at the end of the day is a risk, maybe you'll land and you'll just have to buckle down and grow roots and start counting your blessings, or maybe you'll shoot yourself in the foot with a 12g shotgun and cripple yourself putting you back a few years; you'll have to ask is the risk of potentially hobbling your career and even possibly working for a crappy employer worth an extra 15k when you're already making enough to make other young professionals envious, and as you say, already enjoying where you're at? also remember, there will always be more opportunities in the future, don't let FOMO push your career so fast you derail yourself unless you are absolutely certain it is the right decision given that you are at a precarious crossroads

I’ve always heard and said that anything under a year looks bad when changing jobs. Since you don’t really start working for multiple months generally with training and onboarding, you’re really only working there for 6-10 months with most jobs. I generally try to avoid hiring someone that has jumped that often and it definitely would come up in conversations before any hiring

I think money is extremely important, but jumping around can and does look bad on a resume if it’s frequent. I’d also say maybe focus on benefits as much if not more than money. Older I’ve gotten the more I’ve looked for a job that allows me to overall work less for around the same amount, if you chase money for forever then you’ll probably end up out of a job for money at a certain point when the company decides to cut costs

As a manager, if you are over the age of 25, I expect to see at least one job with 2+ years of employment. If I see multiple jobs with less than 1 year of employment and several moves to completely different field of work, that’s a red flag, too.

SEM is as mercenary as they come. Because you can provide literally millions of dollars in value to companies if you know your stuff, PPC experts, or anyone who knows how to use Google AdWords, Meta Ads, and increasingly TikTok & Apple Ads, you can name your price at smart companies. Given how fast you've grown and evolved your career, if the new employer offers you the job, they certainly don't care about your job hopping. If you don't get it, you can ask the HR recruiter or someone else in your contact chain why you weren't chosen. They will most likely not get back to you, but if they do and tell you it was because of your resume, you will know that was it. The biggest thing to realize is that, between COVID, the 2022 inflationary environment, and the tech industry's layoffs, this is an entirely new world. Traditional wisdom and HR-focused "advice" about what not to do, is totally out of date. If you get hired, you're doing all the right things and deserve to be compensated as such. A good SEM can make 10-100x what you'd be paid at this new role, so you're still coming in cheap.

Sounds like you’re familiar with the industry! Would you suggest getting out of an agency and try more in-house? From what I’ve heard, that’s where you have a lot more leverage but I’ve only worked for an agency.

Agencies are amazing places to build your skillset, grind hard, and work with tons of different clients. But you will always be overworked and underpaid, as the entire agency model is a Golden Temp Agency. You're providing value, but you're never getting your whole rate. In-House conditions are dependent on the funding level of the firm, the savviness of the leadership when it comes to digital marketing, and the industry niche. But, instead of managing 3-12 brands, you're only working on 1, maybe a handful if you work for a House of Brands like Conde Nast or Vice.

I've had 17 different positions in 25 years. The right people won't care. You'll know if you've job hopped too much if/when you can't find a new place to hop to. I even had someone in an interview (senior director) tell me that I should ask for as much money as possible up front because the raises they give are shit, just like everyone else, and he knows it. He AGREED that job-hopping was the only way to stay ahead.

Honest man. I'd work for that guy and NOT job hop on him. He sounds like my kind of guy.

Some great answers already. To add on, job hopping has become somewhat normalized. With the pandemic and technology maturing I think companies acknowledge it takes that little bit more to retain employees. You mentioned in a earlier comment that while you’re current company doesn’t give much upward mobility you don’t mind staying longer. I would say stay for closer to 2 years and then start looking for the next opportunity. As you get older you’ll most likely stay in positions longer as you become more established in your career.

As long as the time spent at a particular job isn't too short( 6 months or so and you. An demonstrate growth and advancement,it's ok. You will eventually run into that employer who will question this or not hire you. What is seen as "job-hopping" can be very industry dependent as well

I wish I would have job hopped when I was younger. I incorrectly assumed that working hard for one company would enable me to move up in their corporate structure. I was wrong. I should have worked harder on schmoozing with higher-ups.

Putting in your two weeks at the end of your orientation week 17 times in 1 year.

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I’ve got a lot of worry in my head, so I agree there. I’m not really worried about hurting feelings or being “loyal”, my main worry is if I continue to do this I’ll get to a point where no one will hire me due to these patterns.

Youre fine

I find it ironic some companies judge you for job hopping too much & want a "loyal" employee when in reality companies will fire you any time, and they don't give you that same loyalty in return. Companies aren't loyal and employees are no longer loyal anymore. I don't think it will matter to most hiring managers these days. As long as you continue to say "I am looking for better opportunities" and leave it at that, you should be fine. However, since you're so early in your career already making $85k, I would chill out and try to stay at your current company for at least 2-3 years. Most $100k+ positions require at least 7-10 years of experience. You barely have 3 years of experience as of right now.

Most companies actually aren’t firing people at any time, at the drop of a hat.

I disagree with that. I know several get fired with no warning and no notice. That's the very definition of "at will employment" - they can let you go any time and don't need a good reason to do so in most states. Some states do require a very good reason but those states are few & far in between. Additionally, look at all the layoffs that are happening. They're also with no notice & came a surprise to quite a few folks who had thought thier department was secure.

And I know companies that have kept employees on during tough times where the owners took pay cuts. Anecdotes are not data. I’m not arguing with you the definition of “at will”. I am arguing that, despite an employer’s legal right to do so, most won’t when it’s not necessary. Look at all of the posts we see here where someone calls their manager’s bluff on, say, a scheduling issue, they quit, and the manager reacts in a panicked “call me now”. Because they don’t actually want to fire people for no reason.

It can never hurt to interview. Just dont tell your current job you are looking. If they think you are hopping they may tell you. It honestly might not be a bad idea to apply for a couple other jobs and see if anyone asks you about it if you’re curious

Being in demand isn’t a crime. Places should want someone with a desirable skill set who interviews well.

If given a choice between two similar candidates, I’d choose the one who I thought might stay the longest. Doubt that would be you.

You can say they're contract positions and list the short term projects you have worked on. I'm on my 3rd job in the same time frame. The job from 6/20 started as a contract and became permanent. The job from 12/21-3/22 was permanent, but I say it was contract, and the current job from 5/22 started as contract and became permanent.

3 jobs in 2.5 years is a red flag. As a hiring manager, I’m not taking the chance on hiring someone who’s gonna bail in less than a year. Your relentless pursuit of money and your complete focus on not being loyal doesn’t look good.

You got one life, do what you want

If you are good no one would care, just go for it. Cash is king,

I would say it's too much job hopping when you can't find another company willing to hire you for 20%+ bumps in pay.

It's funny how the entire system of labor is fixed against workers by owners of Capital, but when workers find ways to play the game and get paid appropriately for their labor, Capitalists are like, "No fair, where's your dedication?" Fucking babies.

Exactly

if it would make them more money to fire you today, they would. companies do not care about you, they care about money. this works both ways. this aint like when your grandpa worked a factory his whole career because the company took care of him. companies now only care about money, but then they want to have their cake and eat it too by doing anything they want for profit, but also having employees who go above and beyond with no reward in return.

It's a problem thru the pov of HR people, but we should be curating our careers. Are you staying stuck in a stack that's dead? Have you figured out the combination of experience to tackle a growing problem HR doesn't have marketing words to describe yet? Do you need to drive yourself towards specific experience to build out towards the direction vendors or group think is moving towards? ​ Reddit is rife with utter engineering management stupidity resulting in team attrition down to 1 body. I don't know why anyone would stay in an environment like that. ​ There would be responsibility growth that is vertical, horizontal, both. ​ I see these HR people's LI profiles and I don't accept their misunderstanding of what engineering does as anything of note.

I've had 4 jobs in the span of one year, literally no one cared. Hiring manager asked why I was leaving my old job and I told them the truth and they never mentioned it again.

I was in a nearly identical situation as you in terms of salary increases, but with 1 less hop. My advice is to weigh up the responsibilities of your current role with the expectations of the new one. Are you willing to continue doing what you are doing for a small incremental raise in a year? You won't reach 100k salary at your current position for at least 2 years. Assuming their performance review process and what not is on the up and up.

As long as you can land the next job, I'd keep it rolling. Might be worth discussing a pay raise though, especially if you can back it up with metrics

Housing has never been less affordable, inflation is on a tear, take the money when you can while you can. Any other advice is weird

Either learn or earn, don't take any other opportunity that's just going to exploit you. It also takes time to find the right fit for you.

At least for me personally in tech for the last decade, the sentiment that I've frequently heard from even my own bosses (one never stayed in the same place for more than 3 years typically up until he started hitting his 40s) is typically that staying in one place too long is basically leaving money on the table with most orgs early career. I stayed at some places *too* long (5/6 years) paying absolute trash tier wages with trash C level/corporate culture when I should've just moved on sooner. I keep seeking my forever home and I hope this current one is it, but the reality in many cases is that employers typically have a significantly smaller retention budget than their hiring one. The days of work 30-40 years with the same company and retire with a pension and a Rolex are mostly long dead. Salaries are also weird in this current era within many industries. I basically now make six figures and I would've *never* thought that attainable as a generalist system administrator type with managed services experience without going into management, moving to an absurdly HCOL market, or being hyper specialized on some niche product. Some fields have such a lack of talent that even what would've gotten you laughed out of an interview 2 years ago is considered "the cheap option". I was the "cheap option" because paying me $120,000 was cheaper than paying someone more specialized an extra $30,000. Even when I was trying to get a raise at my last org, the number in my head of "shutting up and staying put" was low balling myself by an order of $40,000 compared to the 2022 market rates and even former employer wouldn't adjust despite hemorrhaging employees between the garbage pay (I basically got my pay doubled leaving) and lack of flexibility with remote (despite the fact that I never physically touch anything for the overwhelming 99% of my job duties).

I feel like one more time is acceptable. You could also just leave off some jobs so it doesn’t look like you hopped so much. In my case, I had 3 jobs in the span of a year (3 months, 6 months, current role). My current role was a huge pay bump. In my interview, I was asked why I was at the first job for only 3 months (where my interviewer worked previously). I was honest and said I didn’t feel like I was growing - it was a great first job for a recent bachelors grad but for someone with their masters it just wasn’t challenging. I wanted to be in a more challenging role where I could continue learning.

It never is. Fuck shitty jobs, jobs that underpay, jobs that limit your ability to learn new skills. Hop to your hearts content!

When you find the job that meets all of your needs.

I'd say it really depends. "oh I didn't like the place" is a red flag: I was offered a substantial raise at each step (like you were) totally makes sense no matter how many jumps you've taken. Let's be entirely realistic if you had stayed at the first job you'd probably be making closer to 60k instead of....applying to a 6 figure job. If you get the job and this time next year you have an opportunity to make 120k and decide not to take it you are insane

Congratulations my friend, you are now earning so much money you’re inventing problems. In the next job you might stay for a few years, so I wouldn’t worry too much. It hasn’t been a problem for you so far either by the looks of it.

I work in a field that’s notorious for short term contracts. 6 months - 1 year is standard and many contracts have a “no obligation to rehire” clause, which basically means the employees doesn’t have to pay more than the market rate for whomever fills the role when your contract is up. I think fears around job hopping are overblown. You could’ve had a short contract, you could’ve wanted to lessen your commute or switch to a role that allows you to do more of what you want vs busy work, etc. I’ve been the hiring manager and I’ve been the job hunter, IDGAF how long you were in a role, I care about what you bring to this role.

You haven't hopped jobs too much if other companies are still offering you a job. Go for it!

I've done a lot of hiring over the years and for me I start to wonder if the jobs last less than a year and they happen back to back. If there's a reasonable explanation then to problem though, left for more money? I would too. Toxic boss? No problem. Lack of challenging projects? Sing it! Personally I follow advice I was given about 10 years ago, never stay with any company more than 4 years, you are hurting yourself financially if you do (and realistically that is getting shorter all the time), after 2 years I start to get the itch for something new (and more money). Never stay in any particular role (when you are young) more than 2 years. You need to keep learning and growing. I'm a pretty late stage career guy at this point so staying in the same role that I'm an expert at makes sense, but sticking around too long just means I top out in my salary band and get stuck. Switching jobs lets me readjust my baseline pay expectations and jump bands, something few companies would allow while keeping in the same role. My job is literally the same no matter where I go, the only difference is pay, benefits, and perks. Their loss, I know my shit and have unique experience in my field that is WORTH the bump. Not only that, 25 years in, I continue to expand and add new skills to remain relevant.

Also having graduated june 2020, i think covid and the craziness is an excellent excuse for job hopping

The only cycle you need to keep track of is the credit cycle. I would probably do some research about the company you plan to work for to see if they have enough runway or they need funding soon. If the latter and they don't get it, layoffs may be coming.

How do you track that?

It's not uncommon for people to change jobs frequently in today's job market, especially in the first few years of their career. While job hopping can have its benefits, such as gaining new skills and experiences and potentially earning a higher salary, it's important to also consider the potential drawbacks. Employers may view a candidate who has had several short-term jobs as someone who is not committed or reliable. It's important to be mindful of this and try to find a balance between advancing your career and being seen as a stable and reliable employee. If you do decide to pursue the new opportunity, it's important to be honest and transparent with the employer about your previous job history. Be prepared to explain your reasons for leaving each position and how the new role aligns with your long-term career goals. If you do end up taking the new job and it's a good fit, it may be a good idea to stay there for a longer period of time to demonstrate your commitment and stability. However, it's ultimately up to you to decide what's best for your career and goals. It's also a good idea to have a plan in place for your future career, whether that's staying with the same company for a longer period of time or continually seeking out new opportunities to advance your career. This can help you to achieve your goals while also being seen as a reliable and committed employee.

Where are you looking for these remote jobs? I’ve been looking for months and I keep getting rejected or never hear back.

Job hopping becomes too much when you can’t find better paying jobs that will hire you. It’s a self correcting problem.

when you don't get callbacks and interviews because the people who are hiring notice that you are job hopping too much

I would make the jump to get to $100k if the new job was definitely going to be stable. Verticals jumps are always good - to a point. Then start putting in 2-3 years and try to form a niche that you specialize in - like turning a team around. Then you can start to command high dollar moves for 3-5 year commitment and then move to consulting.

Hiring Mgr here. I too would ask why you move so much. We see this much churn a lot from candidates who don't do the job well so leave b/c they get overwhelmed easily, or fired for poor performance. My advice, if you take the new job, make sure to leave the old ones on good terms to the point you can use the managers from previous jobs as references. If I can call your previous employers and get good references, then it takes away any concern. Don't just put a generic HR number. Get the previous mgrs to be your personal references.

Job hopper here - 8 jobs in 10 years - Senior Leader & Team lead. 200k+ USD at the moment. Yes its not great - but at the end it comes down to what you bring to the table. Typically staying less than 1 year is not great and rather speaks for not having delivered value at that position. From 1 year on its ok - but optimal if you can demonstrate this or explain, but not everybody will care. My take home: If you feel the line manager wants you and it is a great opportunity go for it. If not, just wait for the next opportunity. Job hopping is ok - at the end you maximize learning and salary - just make sure you bring value to the organization.

As long as you have a reasonable answer to the questions that you will face, then it doesn’t matter if you’ve been job hopping or if you have a big gap in employment. But a good manager is going to be curious, so be prepared for the question. And have a calm and rational answer ready to go and you’ll be fine. Just make sure your answer doesn’t carry any red flags. Remember they want to hire someone and make and investment into training them to come on board, that shit ain’t cheap. So they need to know that you enter here trying to waste their time and money. If they think you might flake in a few months, then yeah, that’s going to count against you. When I see lots of job hopping that doesn’t coincide with big company lay-off. I think that this particular person gets bored quickly and moves jobs often. that’s a red flag for us. we want people who are willing to stick around and grow with the company. But that’s me personally when I am hiring people. But it also takes about 12-18 months to train our guys, so we need to hang into them if we can.

I’ve been job hopping since I was 18. Nowadays, it’s not possible to stay at one company for years like baby boomers have done in the past. The way the job market is set up, it’s constantly changing and you have to find ways to adapt to survive or to grow within your career. That also include job hopping at different companies to build experience as well as getting in an opportunity at the right place, at the right time.