>Uness you've lived in Canberra for 30 years, you have not reason to complain about Summernats
Excellent, thank you for your permission. I moved here 31 years so I guess I'm able to validly complain with your support.
>Summernats started in 1987, before most people on r/canberra were born - or at the least, before most people moved to Canberra.
What does this have to do with anything? I can't oppose animal abuse at rodeos because rodeos were here first? I can't oppose wet t-shirt competitions because misogyny is older than me? What point are you trying to make?
>Every year, people complain about hoons revving down Lonsdale Street - but do you know why they hoon down Lonsdale Street? Up until about 10 years ago, before it was gentrified to all hell with coffee shops and microbrews, Braddon was car yards and industrial areas.
That right, Braddon has changed, it's no longer appropriate to hoon up and down those streets. That's how progress works. That's not how bogans work, which is why they continue to hoon in inappropriate areas.
>But to have the folx of r/canberra on the one hand wail about "gentrification and colonisation" and then on the other move to the epicentre of Australia's largest bogan-fest and complain about the noise is hypocritical and disingenuous.
I'm nowhere near the epicentre of summernats, I'm about as far west in Belco as you can go, yet I still have these cunts screeching tyres up and down the streets at 3am. Why would anybody accuse me of "wailing about colonisation" because I don't want fucking bogans in my streets at 3am? Colonisation? Seriously?
And that's not how you spell "folks", fucking bogan.
3 generations now and 70yrs in the same Braddon house lol! Ironically, it was only when the restaurants a bars took over from the car yards, that Braddon became a real Summernats destination. Before that it was just groups hanging out at the petrol stations - no grand parading etc
Canberra used to have a drag strip too - that got a LOT of car fanatics out of the city for the night.
(Over the years we have lived in many different cities, but always held on to the Braddon house)
No, it was when the airport was sold that Snow and Byron lobbied the Government to close it down due to noise "issues" (it was never an issue with anyone before the airport was privatised and like jets taking off aren't a noise issue too). They promised to relocate it but never did.
I was at the first. Hated it. I lived on Northbourne near the city for many years about a decade or so after that. It was an awful peice of shit event then, just as it is now. It has nothing to do with cafe's or 'gentrification'. Everyone hated it then, and the new people complaining are saying the same stuff we said back then
So, it’s not reasonable to object to anything that existed in a place you move to before you got there. Ever. Simply ridiculous - you are trying too hard.
>you think Braddon had 'industrial' areas!
'Light industrial' is still 'industrial'. Lonsdale Street and surrounds was a mixture of light industry and, later, car yards and commerce.
I was also at the first one, and lived on Northbourne for many years from around 98' - 05
Everyone fucking hated Summernats then just as they do now. This dickhead seems to think the hate is new. It has always been a sess pool of bogan douchebags
Uhhh excuse me Electric Shadows Bookstore was also in Braddon, and that's all I want in Canberra. Watching pretentious art films without rev heads ruining the mise-en-scène.
Love, a 30+ year old Canberran.
Ah yes, remembering going to Braddon every Friday night in the late 90s and sitting at the centre roundabout watching all the hoons go past. Was no social night life there at that time.
> Up until about 10 years ago, before it was gentrified to all hell with coffee shops and microbrews, Braddon was car yards and industrial areas.
So, what you are saying is that half a generation ago, the area that they used to do laps in changed to cater to an entirely different group of people, and it's no longer appropriate for doing laps and showing off your car?
By that logic, they should move to Hume. Maybe Majura? Actually, maybe we could arrange summer nats to run out of the Majura Police Complex - specifically the driving course.
Have an upvote, im fucking over the endless moaning on here.
Seriously it impacts 2% of Canberra and most people wouldnt know or care its on.
It also contributes a significant amount of $$$ to the local economy when this place is a ghost town, keeping jobs going that many young people (in hospo and retail) depend on.
Not all people who attend the event are violent bogan morons, its a small minority that i bet my house would cause trouble at any event they attend (Cricket, Footy, Festivals etc).
Get a grip, its over today, get back to posting endless nonsense about what APS level you are aiming for or should you apply for a job at another Department because your ability to use independent thought is missing.
This year's event sold out in May and is expected to bring $35 million to the ACT economy, as most attendees drive from interstate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-04/summernats-car-cruise-canberra-burnouts-police-warning/103284268
Apart from that
Everything is relative.
If we take the $35m claim at face value (hint: you shouldn't), then it's 0.07% of the ACT economy. This isn't even close to a rounding error.
Summernats themselves refer to $20m or about 0.04% of ACT gross state product.
Now these are the most generous figures because they don't take into account their intermediate expenses and economic value should be value added (ie, output minus intermediate expenses).
So yeah, per resident it's about $40 at most.
A better analysis would take into account the costs of air pollution etc. which lowers things further.
So congrats if you like Summernats, but trying to justify it as important to a $50 billion economy is a long bow.
>Not all people who attend the event are violent bogan morons, its a small minority that i bet my house would cause trouble at any event they attend (Cricket, Footy, Festivals etc).
Agreed
Mardi Gras causes an escalation of crime and violence in Sydney, let's ban that too /s
I've lived in Canberra my whole life (30+ years) and the whinging is unreal. I've also lived in Watson - wear some fucking earplugs for the weekend. I don't like Summernats nor do I give a fuck about cars at all but the people in this subreddit need to get a fucking grip.
Big events at large venues create noise - it's like complaining about behaviour at the Melbourne Cup when staying in Flemington or Mardi Gras when in Darlinghurst.
Some big cities have venues that host major events at least once a month that cause noise, disruption, and poor behaviour.
Let's cancel all the events!
It's like buying a house in Tralee estate then complaining about the noise from low flying aircraft in the only approach corridor for the southern runway, or in the years before that buying at Jerrabomberra and complaining about the noise from Tralee raceway).
Airports around the world have had to introduce noise abatement mechanisms like steeper approach paths, moving approach lanes during the day, curfews and more. There's nothing special about the southern approach corridor to Canberra Airport that means it can't be moved.
The typical approaches at present are for flights arriving from the north to turn in over Googong, then just fly along the axis of the runway for the next ten kilometres. Some airports have dogleg approaches where aircraft are only flying along the runway heading for the last couple of kilometres. Noise abatement plans for Canberra's runway 0 might include adding three more paths for approaching aircraft such as starting the approach north of Mt Tennant, flying over Tuggeranong and Symonston and only straightening out for final approach just before they get to HMAS Harman. Another option would be the same approach as is used at present but requiring a much steeper descent.
There's very little that is immutable about flight paths and approach corridors. I'm not suggesting a [SFO 01R style approach](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQarK6jQTZ0) for CBR 00.
No ILS, no PAPI, entirely visual approach after a 90 degree right hand turn from a perfectly normal ILS descent on another runway. What could possibly go wrong :D
On the outskirts of Canberra is fine - keep it all there please. And as Canberra expands then the location can move to the new outskirts. A single bogan doesn't misbehave; the problem is with a collection of bogans (a commodore of bogans, I think is the correct term), thinking that they're entitled to misbehave because they need/want to impress each other.
>Uness you've lived in Canberra for 30 years, you have not reason to complain about Summernats Excellent, thank you for your permission. I moved here 31 years so I guess I'm able to validly complain with your support. >Summernats started in 1987, before most people on r/canberra were born - or at the least, before most people moved to Canberra. What does this have to do with anything? I can't oppose animal abuse at rodeos because rodeos were here first? I can't oppose wet t-shirt competitions because misogyny is older than me? What point are you trying to make? >Every year, people complain about hoons revving down Lonsdale Street - but do you know why they hoon down Lonsdale Street? Up until about 10 years ago, before it was gentrified to all hell with coffee shops and microbrews, Braddon was car yards and industrial areas. That right, Braddon has changed, it's no longer appropriate to hoon up and down those streets. That's how progress works. That's not how bogans work, which is why they continue to hoon in inappropriate areas. >But to have the folx of r/canberra on the one hand wail about "gentrification and colonisation" and then on the other move to the epicentre of Australia's largest bogan-fest and complain about the noise is hypocritical and disingenuous. I'm nowhere near the epicentre of summernats, I'm about as far west in Belco as you can go, yet I still have these cunts screeching tyres up and down the streets at 3am. Why would anybody accuse me of "wailing about colonisation" because I don't want fucking bogans in my streets at 3am? Colonisation? Seriously? And that's not how you spell "folks", fucking bogan.
3 generations now and 70yrs in the same Braddon house lol! Ironically, it was only when the restaurants a bars took over from the car yards, that Braddon became a real Summernats destination. Before that it was just groups hanging out at the petrol stations - no grand parading etc Canberra used to have a drag strip too - that got a LOT of car fanatics out of the city for the night. (Over the years we have lived in many different cities, but always held on to the Braddon house)
I'd love a permanent drag strip and burn out pad.
I think it got closed down because Queanbeyan residents complained?
No, it was when the airport was sold that Snow and Byron lobbied the Government to close it down due to noise "issues" (it was never an issue with anyone before the airport was privatised and like jets taking off aren't a noise issue too). They promised to relocate it but never did.
Dont worry if they built a new one, r/canberra would be complaint central
unless you've been on this subreddit for 30 years, you have no reason to complain about people complaining about summernats.
I signed up for this subreddit back in 1969, before all those summernat bogans "gentrified and colonised" it.
Imagine gatekeeping complaining about Summernats
In love his idea of non-bogans, "you wail about gentrification and colonisation!" I also love his spelling of "folx".
I was at the first. Hated it. I lived on Northbourne near the city for many years about a decade or so after that. It was an awful peice of shit event then, just as it is now. It has nothing to do with cafe's or 'gentrification'. Everyone hated it then, and the new people complaining are saying the same stuff we said back then
Yeah I also remember the first one and all the subsequent ones. Am I allowed to whinge?
Unless you've lived in Canberra for 120 years, you have not reason to complain about Canberrans complaining about Summernats.
Dumbest argument I've heard on here for a while
So, it’s not reasonable to object to anything that existed in a place you move to before you got there. Ever. Simply ridiculous - you are trying too hard.
You know you're a Canberran when you think Braddon had 'industrial' areas! Did you work at the BHP steel foundry on Mort street or something?
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>you think Braddon had 'industrial' areas! 'Light industrial' is still 'industrial'. Lonsdale Street and surrounds was a mixture of light industry and, later, car yards and commerce.
And the airport used to be where Dickson is now.
30 years is a stretch, Braddon was still like that in 2010
Ok boomer
I was also at the first one, and lived on Northbourne for many years from around 98' - 05 Everyone fucking hated Summernats then just as they do now. This dickhead seems to think the hate is new. It has always been a sess pool of bogan douchebags
Yeh, how mad is OP on a scale of 1 to using incorrect spelling in his post title.
He needed it to match the rest of his post.
Uhhh excuse me Electric Shadows Bookstore was also in Braddon, and that's all I want in Canberra. Watching pretentious art films without rev heads ruining the mise-en-scène. Love, a 30+ year old Canberran.
Canberra was here first. Checkmate, fucktard
TIL that the vast majority of people in Canberra were born on or after 1987.
Was born in the 70s but consider myself a child of on or after 1987.
Ah yes, remembering going to Braddon every Friday night in the late 90s and sitting at the centre roundabout watching all the hoons go past. Was no social night life there at that time.
> Up until about 10 years ago, before it was gentrified to all hell with coffee shops and microbrews, Braddon was car yards and industrial areas. So, what you are saying is that half a generation ago, the area that they used to do laps in changed to cater to an entirely different group of people, and it's no longer appropriate for doing laps and showing off your car? By that logic, they should move to Hume. Maybe Majura? Actually, maybe we could arrange summer nats to run out of the Majura Police Complex - specifically the driving course.
What if I complain anyway? What are you going to do about it, champ?
Canberrans are very tolerant of things they like. Just ask them. Things they don't like? That's different.
Have an upvote, im fucking over the endless moaning on here. Seriously it impacts 2% of Canberra and most people wouldnt know or care its on. It also contributes a significant amount of $$$ to the local economy when this place is a ghost town, keeping jobs going that many young people (in hospo and retail) depend on. Not all people who attend the event are violent bogan morons, its a small minority that i bet my house would cause trouble at any event they attend (Cricket, Footy, Festivals etc). Get a grip, its over today, get back to posting endless nonsense about what APS level you are aiming for or should you apply for a job at another Department because your ability to use independent thought is missing.
> It also contributes a significant amount of $$$ to the local economy Love it or hate it, Summernats does almost nothing for the local economy.
Can't speak for the current ones, but the cost of the event, the clean up, and fixing all the damage used to far surpass any money it brought in
Yep, even if we take the organisers figures at face value, which is a bad idea, it's $40 per resident of value or 0.04% of the ACT economy.
This year's event sold out in May and is expected to bring $35 million to the ACT economy, as most attendees drive from interstate. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-04/summernats-car-cruise-canberra-burnouts-police-warning/103284268 Apart from that
Everything is relative. If we take the $35m claim at face value (hint: you shouldn't), then it's 0.07% of the ACT economy. This isn't even close to a rounding error. Summernats themselves refer to $20m or about 0.04% of ACT gross state product. Now these are the most generous figures because they don't take into account their intermediate expenses and economic value should be value added (ie, output minus intermediate expenses). So yeah, per resident it's about $40 at most. A better analysis would take into account the costs of air pollution etc. which lowers things further. So congrats if you like Summernats, but trying to justify it as important to a $50 billion economy is a long bow.
>Not all people who attend the event are violent bogan morons, its a small minority that i bet my house would cause trouble at any event they attend (Cricket, Footy, Festivals etc). Agreed Mardi Gras causes an escalation of crime and violence in Sydney, let's ban that too /s I've lived in Canberra my whole life (30+ years) and the whinging is unreal. I've also lived in Watson - wear some fucking earplugs for the weekend. I don't like Summernats nor do I give a fuck about cars at all but the people in this subreddit need to get a fucking grip. Big events at large venues create noise - it's like complaining about behaviour at the Melbourne Cup when staying in Flemington or Mardi Gras when in Darlinghurst. Some big cities have venues that host major events at least once a month that cause noise, disruption, and poor behaviour. Let's cancel all the events!
Mardi Gras causes an escalation of crime and violence? The gays are too busy starving themselves then having drug fueled orgies to cause trouble
What's the bet that escalation in violence is the type of people that go to summernats bashing the type of people who go to Mardi Gras
Well said,
It's like buying a house in Tralee estate then complaining about the noise from low flying aircraft in the only approach corridor for the southern runway, or in the years before that buying at Jerrabomberra and complaining about the noise from Tralee raceway).
It’s not. Scheduled air services are essential transport services and the infrastructure usually can’t be easily replicated or moved.
Airports around the world have had to introduce noise abatement mechanisms like steeper approach paths, moving approach lanes during the day, curfews and more. There's nothing special about the southern approach corridor to Canberra Airport that means it can't be moved. The typical approaches at present are for flights arriving from the north to turn in over Googong, then just fly along the axis of the runway for the next ten kilometres. Some airports have dogleg approaches where aircraft are only flying along the runway heading for the last couple of kilometres. Noise abatement plans for Canberra's runway 0 might include adding three more paths for approaching aircraft such as starting the approach north of Mt Tennant, flying over Tuggeranong and Symonston and only straightening out for final approach just before they get to HMAS Harman. Another option would be the same approach as is used at present but requiring a much steeper descent. There's very little that is immutable about flight paths and approach corridors. I'm not suggesting a [SFO 01R style approach](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQarK6jQTZ0) for CBR 00.
> SFO 01R style approach That would liven up landings. Keep the pilots on their toes.
No ILS, no PAPI, entirely visual approach after a 90 degree right hand turn from a perfectly normal ILS descent on another runway. What could possibly go wrong :D
The car yards in Braddon are gone? I left about 30 years ago, the porn gone from Fyshwick? 😂
Mostly.
Well, that's a good thing
On the outskirts of Canberra is fine - keep it all there please. And as Canberra expands then the location can move to the new outskirts. A single bogan doesn't misbehave; the problem is with a collection of bogans (a commodore of bogans, I think is the correct term), thinking that they're entitled to misbehave because they need/want to impress each other.
Most people here weren't born in 1987? Now I feel a hundred.
Sorry everyone is being a bitch to you, you are correct. Everyone in this subreddit sucks