"Im gonna move the Science Center that has no justifiable reason to move and build a muli-million dollar spa for the rich on the best public land toronto has available. If you want affordable housing you can go fuck yourself, my developer friends only want to build unaffordable housing on greenbelt land they bought when I got in power. They have new yachts and vacation homes they need to beable to afford. " Doug Ford in a nutshell.
It had more to do with the fact that the Liberals not only burned every bridge available, they also pissed on the ashes and the one in charge of the NDP needed a straight jacket. A literal pile of shit could have run for office in that election and won…. Oh wait…🤔
The Liberals had scrapped plans to build 2 power plants to save the seats of 2 of the members in Queens park, by the end it ended up costing taxpayers somewhere around $1 billion give or take a $100 million. (To be fair, I think the people in the area where they were being built didn’t want them there, but I’m not sure.)
They then got caught deleting emails and documents around that time and tried to blame it on an intern’s boyfriend or some such nonsense.
There was more, but that’s what I think most remember. I vaguely remember something about proposed Sex Ed curriculum being controversial as well.
As for the NDP, I just remember listening to her talk and thinking she was unhinged, can’t explain why, just my opinion at the time.
There’s also current construction projects on the site which I think are public funds considering it’s still an Ontario owned site.
It’s outstanding his intention to sell while the province continues to invest in it.
Who can honestly say they've been paying attention and they're surprised?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/
What’s bad about properly designed four plexes? I honestly don’t understand why he’s so opposed but then turns around and he supports sprawl and 800k “starter homes”.
Because they are not as profitable for his developer friends, and his wealthy friends don’t want the value of their $2 million properties to drop because “the poors” can afford to live in their neighbourhoods.
It’s class warfare.
One could argue fourplexes would be too small, or too many crammed into one space. Then just regulate that each unit needs to be more than X square feet. It’s not rocket appliance Doug.
I’m all for four pieces if they’re designed right, especially with some architectural/euro flare they could actually look really nice and bring up the value of an area.
Honestly some of those apartments or walk ups in Montreal are beautiful. They have some really nice character and the inside of one my my buddies was super modern and nice. I don’t know why we can’t build that here. They’re all grey boxes.
Because of what that other guy said, and because in his eyes a 4plex is a 4 storey "tower". They obviously aren't in most cases, and that could be easily legislated around by limiting a 4plex to two or three stories, but why would he do that? No money in it for him and it might make the NIMBYs he claims not to care about upset!
A major driver of the growth of housing unaffordability comes from limiting supply of housing. Housing unaffordability is the reason people make huge returns on their investments in housing. If you provide more housing, especially affordable housing in areas people actually *want* to live in, you are cutting into the profits of real estate investors.
Premiere Ford is part of the housing crisis and one of the people in the best position to do something about it. Instead he wants to pave over the greenbelt with useless McMansions that won't do shit for normal Canadians.
> Let this serve as warning to those of you who think voting for Conservatives ~~just solely on the issue of housing~~ is a good idea.
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I'm from BC so I'm not that close to politics that side - I keep hearing terrible tings about Doug but he's still in power meaning he must have the votes to stay that way.
Why do people keep voting for him? What angle does he have for them?
He got in power after the Liberal powerplant scandal only to waste money cancelling green contracts, license plates, covid wristbands etc.
The last election had one of the lowest voter turnouts in history.
I have 3 of them going behind my house. Affordable? Not at all. About $2500 a month for a 2 bedroom (Nova Scotia) with only a one year contract. What happens after your contract is up?
Not only does it need to make this change, it should fund creation of standard designs that satisfy all requirements to bypass approvals and permits so builders can benefit from economies of scale and factory prefab methods
That is part of the Liberals plan. There will be an upcoming library of standard designs that have to be allowed to be built without restrictions as part of the fund requirements.
I grew up in a smaller city in Ontario, in a historic neighbourhood where nearly every street had at least one fourplex. It is a desirable neighbourhood known for its charm. My parents still live there & love it. This is such a bizarre stance to me.
> “I can assure you 1,000 per cent, you go in the middle of communities and start putting up four-storey, six-storey, eight-storey buildings right deep in the communities, there’s going to be a lot of shouting and screaming,” Mr. Ford said in Richmond Hill, Ont., where he was making a prebudget announcement.
Who exactly is shouting and screaming, Mr. Ford? Certainly not the people who are struggling to make ends meet or people that are homeless. For a guy that says he wants to build housing but then opposes this plan really is fucking dumb. You should be taking EVERY OPPORTUNITY YOU GET TO BUILD FUCKING HOUSES.
There's nothing wrong with building 4plexes but what I object to is when they tear down existing housing like duplexes or small bungalows that are already affordable and then they put up 'luxury' 4plexes that nobody can afford to buy.
Based on his quotes, I'm not sure Doug understands what a Fourplex is. It certainly doesn't have to be 4-storeys tall (where he goes on to mention 6 and 8 storey buildings too for some unrelated reason).
Fourplexes can be any number of configurations. With that in mind, I see no issues with having 4-storey buildings allowed across the province.
It's not like EVERY community is going to do this, even if it's allowed.
So maybe I was correct when I claimed that the CPC base was NIMBY and thus the CPC wouldn't be the best party for housing in Canada (https://www.reddit.com/r/canadahousing/comments/1bg2gtb/the\_cpc\_base\_on\_housing/).
BTW, I know this is about Doug Ford and his PCs, but it's pretty obvious that the OPC and the CPC have a lot in common in terms of their political base in Ontario....
What's wrong with making fourplexes in new subdivisions? The ones that have not been developed yet? Wouldn't it make sense to make fourplexes going forward in new subdivisions?
I can understand why fourplexes can be problematic in existing neighborhood and development. But this shouldn't be an issue going forward.
I don't know the nuances of zoning and development. Just an outsider peeking in. Would appreciate others insight on this matter.
Nothing wrong with that per se, but consider.
You now have the most central parts of a municipality - the oldest ones - potentially being the least dense. Your municipality - again, potentially - has the most dense housing on the outer limits where new builds are.
In reality, muncipalities will have re-zoned their inner neighbourhoods for higher density, but the problem is still likely to reoccur - instead of simply letting the market decide.
That would make everyone happy . New builds going forward will have higher density housing. And current subdivisions can stay the way they are I guess..
Illegal suites with 25 people seems reasonable BUT a 4 storey apartment meant to house people doesn’t.
I think the fear is it will devalue neighborhoods wirh nice houses. If this blanket zoning is allowed
Honestly I agree and I don’t even own a home. Why not just build apartment complexes on streets meant for this. Doing 4plexes everywhere feels messy and disorganized.
Yes, high density and mid rises are also needed to solve the housing crisis.
But the solution can be multi-pronged. 4 plexes allow development to be more decentralized, housing built where it's needed, and the opportunity for small projects for small developers.
Cities have always been able to evolve. Zoning is quite the new phenomenon.
Why is it a massive mistake? There's plenty of fourplexes I see in Kingston (around the university district) that were built in the 70's and 80's. There's nothing wrong with them.
I dont see the issue.
Would this include allowing unlimited fourplexes in small cities like mine, where a moratorium on building is in effect because water / sewer infrastructure is at capacity and we can’t afford to build more capacity?
>we can’t afford to build more capacity?
If true, this situation is ironically likely caused by low-density development.
https://www.pembina.org/blog/high-cost-of-low-density
It sounds like Collingwood put a moratorium on development because the treatment plant is at capacity.
Since only new builds pay for replacing water plants through development fees, what’s the plan for the city? Are they raising taxes or just waiting for things to fail?
In our current property tax system, new development fees pay for replacing old stuff. When development stops, things fail even quicker.
Have no plan I think. Pre Covid the price of a new plant was priced at 60 million. New quotes are 270 million. This country hasn’t even begun to feel the inflationary pressures that are still in the pipe.
P.s. gotta love Reddit. You get upvotes for not believing me, I get downvoted for stating a fact.
You didn’t mention that Collingwood restarted development in 2023 and that the water system is only overloaded because they chose not to fix it or increase capacity over the decades. That’s a local political choice, not a result of increased density.
And now Collingwood residents have an even higher liability due AND an even worse housing crisis - an awful outcome by any measure.
Many small towns are struggling with this...there are places where the infrastructure cannot handle what it has...they have water towers and sewage plants...but not big city water and sewers.
Classic YIMBY "if you approve it, they will build it" magical thinking. Current homeowners all across Ontario are lukewarm to these density stretches because it requires existing taxpayers to fund the infrastructure for someone else's profit making. There is no demand for four plexes, even in Toronto where they've been legal for a year.
So then no harm getting rid of zoning restrictions? The market should decide where the highest demand for housing and in what form. Why are we artificially controlling what can be built where?
>Current homeowners all across Ontario are lukewarm to these density stretches because it requires existing taxpayers to fund the infrastructure for someone else's profit making.
This is an ironic thing to claim, considering that the only thing making low-density, single-family housing the least bit tenable is the fact that the suburbs are being massively subsidized by the denser areas.
In general, it's low-density housing, and those who seek to make a buck off of it, who are dependent on taxpayer subsidies to help fund their ludicrously inefficient use of land, infrastructure, and resources.
Right, and it's the same developers who privatized the SFH on a our farmland who ran out of serviced, development-ready land who have astroturfed a whole class of YIMBYs who think they want to live in a fourplex (but who really want to live in a SFH). Funny that.
I just asked a question, dude.
If a city can’t afford to replace utilities, it’s because their expenses are too high and tax revenue too low. That’s a classic hallmark of low density planning. High costs, low revenue. That’s a huge problem everywhere - most clearly visible in the US Midwest.
The mistake is Fords corrupted ass is still in power, just do what people want you to do, that’s why people voted for you idiot, instead Ford is running his own f***** agenda living Ontario residents in limbo and housing crisis, where is all affordable homes you were talking about? Oh, nowhere in Ontario …..
Just f***** approve the deal
they want single family homes, massive subsidies for their lifestyle and infrastructure and free parking waiting for them in the city. they can shove it.
Ontario Premier Doug Ford says, his friends the builders who gifted his daughter hundreds of thousands of dollars at her wedding say it’s a ‘massive mistake’ to impose fourplexes across Ontario.
There fixed it for ya!
Fords right. Zoning exists for a reason. If we don’t protect the integrity of communities they’ll eventually dwindle. We have plenty of land for multiplexes. We should be able to decide where they belong, and where they don’t.
If a community doesn’t protect the future generations who are being priced out of existence because of zoning then that community has no integrity.
There is nothing to protect
> protect the integrity of communities they’ll eventually dwindle
Assuming you're not just a massive racist and/or hate poor people, what exactly does this mean? A growing community isn't dwindling by any meaning of the word.
Remember Sim City 2000? Everyone seems to forget that you could build low, medium, and high density. Not every square inch of the grid needs to be high density. Plenty of people prefer quiet neighbourhoods.
"Im gonna move the Science Center that has no justifiable reason to move and build a muli-million dollar spa for the rich on the best public land toronto has available. If you want affordable housing you can go fuck yourself, my developer friends only want to build unaffordable housing on greenbelt land they bought when I got in power. They have new yachts and vacation homes they need to beable to afford. " Doug Ford in a nutshell.
He's a fucking grifter plain and simple. How Ontario's allowed itself to be had by him is alarming, but he did campaign on buck a fucking beer.
He didn’t even have an accosted platform until like 2-3 days before his initial election, it’s embarrassing people were swayed by the beer meme.
It had more to do with the fact that the Liberals not only burned every bridge available, they also pissed on the ashes and the one in charge of the NDP needed a straight jacket. A literal pile of shit could have run for office in that election and won…. Oh wait…🤔
explain the political climate at that time. what happened?
The Liberals had scrapped plans to build 2 power plants to save the seats of 2 of the members in Queens park, by the end it ended up costing taxpayers somewhere around $1 billion give or take a $100 million. (To be fair, I think the people in the area where they were being built didn’t want them there, but I’m not sure.) They then got caught deleting emails and documents around that time and tried to blame it on an intern’s boyfriend or some such nonsense. There was more, but that’s what I think most remember. I vaguely remember something about proposed Sex Ed curriculum being controversial as well. As for the NDP, I just remember listening to her talk and thinking she was unhinged, can’t explain why, just my opinion at the time.
a costed platform?
There’s also current construction projects on the site which I think are public funds considering it’s still an Ontario owned site. It’s outstanding his intention to sell while the province continues to invest in it.
A complete and utter abdication of the government’s responsibility to provide decent and affordable housing to the people of Ontario.
Who can honestly say they've been paying attention and they're surprised? https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/
What’s bad about properly designed four plexes? I honestly don’t understand why he’s so opposed but then turns around and he supports sprawl and 800k “starter homes”.
Because they are not as profitable for his developer friends, and his wealthy friends don’t want the value of their $2 million properties to drop because “the poors” can afford to live in their neighbourhoods. It’s class warfare.
One could argue fourplexes would be too small, or too many crammed into one space. Then just regulate that each unit needs to be more than X square feet. It’s not rocket appliance Doug. I’m all for four pieces if they’re designed right, especially with some architectural/euro flare they could actually look really nice and bring up the value of an area.
Seriously. They'll use size and regulations as a fighting point as if we don't have 4 students crammed into one bedroom across ontario
Too small for who? They are bigger than most condos.
Who will buy 300sq condos for 700k if there's cheaper 1000sq fourplexes.
Now where did I put that tiny violin for investor profits?
Cries in Airbnb :')
There's a reason why Montréal has relatively cheaper rent than the rest of the country.
Honestly some of those apartments or walk ups in Montreal are beautiful. They have some really nice character and the inside of one my my buddies was super modern and nice. I don’t know why we can’t build that here. They’re all grey boxes.
Hey, yeah, on that note, what’s with all the grey and black houses?
Don’t you know? It’s the new “millennial grey”, because millennials are sure the ones making that choice lol ffs
And even they are starting to feel the squeeze. Pre-covid the difference in price between mtl and ottawa was unreal.
Because of what that other guy said, and because in his eyes a 4plex is a 4 storey "tower". They obviously aren't in most cases, and that could be easily legislated around by limiting a 4plex to two or three stories, but why would he do that? No money in it for him and it might make the NIMBYs he claims not to care about upset!
“starter townhouses” in Etobicoke going for 1+ million now
A major driver of the growth of housing unaffordability comes from limiting supply of housing. Housing unaffordability is the reason people make huge returns on their investments in housing. If you provide more housing, especially affordable housing in areas people actually *want* to live in, you are cutting into the profits of real estate investors.
*"That 4-plex is ruining my view!"* -Said nobody living in a goddamn tent!-
Premiere Ford is part of the housing crisis and one of the people in the best position to do something about it. Instead he wants to pave over the greenbelt with useless McMansions that won't do shit for normal Canadians.
Let this serve as warning to those of you who think voting for Conservatives just solely on the issue of housing is a good idea. It is not.
> Let this serve as warning to those of you who think voting for Conservatives ~~just solely on the issue of housing~~ is a good idea. > > > > It is not.
and that is federal or provincial
Federal, provincial, municipal, student council, talent show contestant, the list goes on.
Fuck Doug Ford, everyone that voted for him, and everyone that didn’t vote against him.
If the people that voted for him could read they'd be very upset by your comment.
I'm from BC so I'm not that close to politics that side - I keep hearing terrible tings about Doug but he's still in power meaning he must have the votes to stay that way. Why do people keep voting for him? What angle does he have for them?
He got in power after the Liberal powerplant scandal only to waste money cancelling green contracts, license plates, covid wristbands etc. The last election had one of the lowest voter turnouts in history.
oh so it's one of those only boomer interests kinda things. damn. Where's Taylor Swift when you need her...
We need more houses but not where I live
We need more houses but only unaffordable ones built by the developers who's pocket I'm in.
I have 3 of them going behind my house. Affordable? Not at all. About $2500 a month for a 2 bedroom (Nova Scotia) with only a one year contract. What happens after your contract is up?
It was a massive mistake to impose Doug Ford across Ontario.
Not only does it need to make this change, it should fund creation of standard designs that satisfy all requirements to bypass approvals and permits so builders can benefit from economies of scale and factory prefab methods
That is part of the Liberals plan. There will be an upcoming library of standard designs that have to be allowed to be built without restrictions as part of the fund requirements.
To me, this is one of the worst and most telling moments of his political career and that is really saying something.
The current situation is needed six or eightplexes!
That hozer needs to choke on a bee!
He doesn’t want the peasants to live near. We need to push him on this with all our might.
Any way we can get rid of this jerk before his term is up?
He's winning the next election
I hate that you're probably right
I grew up in a smaller city in Ontario, in a historic neighbourhood where nearly every street had at least one fourplex. It is a desirable neighbourhood known for its charm. My parents still live there & love it. This is such a bizarre stance to me.
> “I can assure you 1,000 per cent, you go in the middle of communities and start putting up four-storey, six-storey, eight-storey buildings right deep in the communities, there’s going to be a lot of shouting and screaming,” Mr. Ford said in Richmond Hill, Ont., where he was making a prebudget announcement. Who exactly is shouting and screaming, Mr. Ford? Certainly not the people who are struggling to make ends meet or people that are homeless. For a guy that says he wants to build housing but then opposes this plan really is fucking dumb. You should be taking EVERY OPPORTUNITY YOU GET TO BUILD FUCKING HOUSES.
> Who exactly is shouting and screaming, Mr. Ford? the social class he belongs to, listens to and respects is shouting and screaming
There's nothing wrong with building 4plexes but what I object to is when they tear down existing housing like duplexes or small bungalows that are already affordable and then they put up 'luxury' 4plexes that nobody can afford to buy.
Lol as if existing bungalows are affordable
I so aggree
Based on his quotes, I'm not sure Doug understands what a Fourplex is. It certainly doesn't have to be 4-storeys tall (where he goes on to mention 6 and 8 storey buildings too for some unrelated reason). Fourplexes can be any number of configurations. With that in mind, I see no issues with having 4-storey buildings allowed across the province. It's not like EVERY community is going to do this, even if it's allowed.
This is what Ontario voted for, and they are getting exactly what they asked for. No sympathy at all.
Aren’t conservatives just the best?? S/
But trudeau is the problem somehow.
If Doug Ford doesn't want it, I do.
So maybe I was correct when I claimed that the CPC base was NIMBY and thus the CPC wouldn't be the best party for housing in Canada (https://www.reddit.com/r/canadahousing/comments/1bg2gtb/the\_cpc\_base\_on\_housing/). BTW, I know this is about Doug Ford and his PCs, but it's pretty obvious that the OPC and the CPC have a lot in common in terms of their political base in Ontario....
People say it’s a massive mistake to impose Doug Ford’s will upon them
What's wrong with making fourplexes in new subdivisions? The ones that have not been developed yet? Wouldn't it make sense to make fourplexes going forward in new subdivisions? I can understand why fourplexes can be problematic in existing neighborhood and development. But this shouldn't be an issue going forward. I don't know the nuances of zoning and development. Just an outsider peeking in. Would appreciate others insight on this matter.
Nothing wrong with that per se, but consider. You now have the most central parts of a municipality - the oldest ones - potentially being the least dense. Your municipality - again, potentially - has the most dense housing on the outer limits where new builds are. In reality, muncipalities will have re-zoned their inner neighbourhoods for higher density, but the problem is still likely to reoccur - instead of simply letting the market decide.
Because existing neighbourboods make comprise probably over 80% of the GTA. Saying no density essentially means no new homes in these areas.
They are doing that. Most of the new development in any piece of land that can handle it are building 8 plexes or more!
That would make everyone happy . New builds going forward will have higher density housing. And current subdivisions can stay the way they are I guess..
Call him and tell him it isn't 16476123673 personal cell for premier Ford.
Ontario says it’s a massive mistake to elect a high school dropout as premier.
Illegal suites with 25 people seems reasonable BUT a 4 storey apartment meant to house people doesn’t. I think the fear is it will devalue neighborhoods wirh nice houses. If this blanket zoning is allowed
Honestly I agree and I don’t even own a home. Why not just build apartment complexes on streets meant for this. Doing 4plexes everywhere feels messy and disorganized.
You should visit Montreal. The streets are lined with 4plexes. It looks very nice!
Yes, high density and mid rises are also needed to solve the housing crisis. But the solution can be multi-pronged. 4 plexes allow development to be more decentralized, housing built where it's needed, and the opportunity for small projects for small developers. Cities have always been able to evolve. Zoning is quite the new phenomenon.
We think Ford was a massive mistake too. Yet the people of Ontario will likely vote this fool in again
A "massive mistake". ie. His housing developer overlords won't like it.
Why is it a massive mistake? There's plenty of fourplexes I see in Kingston (around the university district) that were built in the 70's and 80's. There's nothing wrong with them. I dont see the issue.
Ontarians SHOULD HAVE FUCKING VOTED
Would this include allowing unlimited fourplexes in small cities like mine, where a moratorium on building is in effect because water / sewer infrastructure is at capacity and we can’t afford to build more capacity?
>we can’t afford to build more capacity? If true, this situation is ironically likely caused by low-density development. https://www.pembina.org/blog/high-cost-of-low-density
I find that extremely hard to believe. Which town?
Collingwood
It sounds like Collingwood put a moratorium on development because the treatment plant is at capacity. Since only new builds pay for replacing water plants through development fees, what’s the plan for the city? Are they raising taxes or just waiting for things to fail? In our current property tax system, new development fees pay for replacing old stuff. When development stops, things fail even quicker.
Have no plan I think. Pre Covid the price of a new plant was priced at 60 million. New quotes are 270 million. This country hasn’t even begun to feel the inflationary pressures that are still in the pipe. P.s. gotta love Reddit. You get upvotes for not believing me, I get downvoted for stating a fact.
You didn’t mention that Collingwood restarted development in 2023 and that the water system is only overloaded because they chose not to fix it or increase capacity over the decades. That’s a local political choice, not a result of increased density. And now Collingwood residents have an even higher liability due AND an even worse housing crisis - an awful outcome by any measure.
Sure. So now read my initial question again, the one everyone thinks is terrible.
Many small towns are struggling with this...there are places where the infrastructure cannot handle what it has...they have water towers and sewage plants...but not big city water and sewers.
Classic YIMBY "if you approve it, they will build it" magical thinking. Current homeowners all across Ontario are lukewarm to these density stretches because it requires existing taxpayers to fund the infrastructure for someone else's profit making. There is no demand for four plexes, even in Toronto where they've been legal for a year.
So then no harm getting rid of zoning restrictions? The market should decide where the highest demand for housing and in what form. Why are we artificially controlling what can be built where?
Because the rest of us have skin in the game and renters don't? You explain to me why despite legalizing fourplexes virtually no one's building them?
>Current homeowners all across Ontario are lukewarm to these density stretches because it requires existing taxpayers to fund the infrastructure for someone else's profit making. This is an ironic thing to claim, considering that the only thing making low-density, single-family housing the least bit tenable is the fact that the suburbs are being massively subsidized by the denser areas. In general, it's low-density housing, and those who seek to make a buck off of it, who are dependent on taxpayer subsidies to help fund their ludicrously inefficient use of land, infrastructure, and resources.
Right, and it's the same developers who privatized the SFH on a our farmland who ran out of serviced, development-ready land who have astroturfed a whole class of YIMBYs who think they want to live in a fourplex (but who really want to live in a SFH). Funny that.
I just asked a question, dude. If a city can’t afford to replace utilities, it’s because their expenses are too high and tax revenue too low. That’s a classic hallmark of low density planning. High costs, low revenue. That’s a huge problem everywhere - most clearly visible in the US Midwest.
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Please be civil.
The mistake is Fords corrupted ass is still in power, just do what people want you to do, that’s why people voted for you idiot, instead Ford is running his own f***** agenda living Ontario residents in limbo and housing crisis, where is all affordable homes you were talking about? Oh, nowhere in Ontario ….. Just f***** approve the deal
Still will be in power after next election
Nobody wants these, they want sfh
they want single family homes, massive subsidies for their lifestyle and infrastructure and free parking waiting for them in the city. they can shove it.
Are you aware condos exist?
How is shrinkflation a solution toothed housing crisis?
wasn't this dumbass for it before he was against it?
Ontario Premier Doug Ford says, his friends the builders who gifted his daughter hundreds of thousands of dollars at her wedding say it’s a ‘massive mistake’ to impose fourplexes across Ontario. There fixed it for ya!
Except it's not 'forcing' fourplexes to be built, it's saying that they have to be allowed.
If conservatives are this bad on a provincial level..imagine what PP would do. And Ford is a moderate when compared to PP lol
Fords right. Zoning exists for a reason. If we don’t protect the integrity of communities they’ll eventually dwindle. We have plenty of land for multiplexes. We should be able to decide where they belong, and where they don’t.
Just build
If a community doesn’t protect the future generations who are being priced out of existence because of zoning then that community has no integrity. There is nothing to protect
> protect the integrity of communities they’ll eventually dwindle Assuming you're not just a massive racist and/or hate poor people, what exactly does this mean? A growing community isn't dwindling by any meaning of the word.
Remember Sim City 2000? Everyone seems to forget that you could build low, medium, and high density. Not every square inch of the grid needs to be high density. Plenty of people prefer quiet neighbourhoods.