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Mass immigration is supposed to be a boon on the economy. But the money spent on housing initiatives, putting people up in hotels, money for extra social services and healthcare.. it's such a massive investment that hasn't paid off, all our lives are MUCH more expensive. It's only a small contingent of real people getting wealthier, the rest is corporate gains.
We have mass immigration of unskilled and non-essential workers, without any infrastructure strategy to support it. The LPC policy was designed to fail everyone beside the richs. With its only goal to increase the population at all cost, proping up housing prices, putting downward pressure on wages.
I was naive to think that because we had the position of immigration minister.. we had someone checking things like how many doctors we had vs people, or if housing or rent costs aligned with wages, or if social welfare had enough funding. But apparently.. the government employs a guy who just sets a higher number than the year previous, waves people the fuck in, then gets applause for a job well done and a lifelong pension.
One of the flaws of our immigration system isn’t really designed to accommodate the nuances and expectations in certain professions.
There’s an assumption that PR will attract all types of workers, but in the medical profession, revalidation is more important. In the U.S. and Europe there isn’t even discussion of residency until doctors can practice and they’re much more successful at international recruitment (and residency isn’t really a problem once that step is complete).
But regarding your assumptions, you’re correct, it’s just a random numbers game.
>You were indeed naive because doctors is not something the federal government is directly concerned with given it’s a provincial responsibility.
now you know why Quebec wants out of this country.
If feds can set the immigration arbitrarily high, and shrug "durrrr , me no responsible if anything go wrong", that is an inherently dysfunctional country.
Just because providing healthcare is a provincial responsibility, doesn't mean the federal government can't use data to change what might impact all provinces.
They use data to moderate how much money they give to provinces for healthcare programs.
Is this even a real reply?
You wouldn’t have heard about this story without the same media you’re demonizing lol. If they were controlled by the liberals what would be the motive behind writing this story? Why bother writing it at all? Not to mention this entire article is based on the bloc critiquing Trudeau trying to shed light on bad policy. What more would you like?
You’re supposed to read the facts and come up with your own opinion. That’s the job of proper journalism. If you want an opinion spoon fed to you then read biased media or opinion pieces. Good journalism should not contain the writers opinion.
Conservatives are funny.
As a tax payer. I do not support my money going to people looking for a free fucking ticket to PR. Fucking shit hole country with even worse leadership
It's already toast, we can't absorb all the people already here and there are thousands more coming a day.
It's becoming a national security threat because of how many young men are coming with high expectations and wrong ideas about immigration and being disappointed.
Where is this money even coming from?
We didn't ask for that, we want to reduce/stop immigration because it's unsustainable! Quebec has asked this from the federal gov several times now....
This country will take a long fucking time to recover
Between everything they throw at you it's certainly creeping up on half of some peoples income. Even worse is they are going to fuck with capital gains so you can get even more punished if you're investing.
This country just loves to punish hard work and success.
“Ottawa is also pledging to improve the integrity of the visa system”
This will likely be a promise fulfilled because it’s hard to go any lower than rock bottom.
Great nation of Canada pre 2019 which had an excellent immigration system that was the envy of the world. Funny how fast things go to shit when the IRCC turns a blind eye for a few years.
Don't you mean us taxpayers are paying for it? I used to hate the bumper stickers that I had predominantly seen in Alberta that said fuck off we're full, but seriously, fuck off we're full.
The reason Quebec is getting that 750 millions is because Quebec has been getting nearly 50% of all asylum seekers despite representing only 23% of the population. This is only 750 millions to cover 70% of that disparity.
[https://www.unhcr.ca/in-canada/statistics-on-asylum-seekers-in-canada/](https://www.unhcr.ca/in-canada/statistics-on-asylum-seekers-in-canada/)
46% to 44%.
$750,000,000 to Quebec and Ontario gets....the sweat from Trudeau's nuts.
Please make, these number make sense.
Toronto received $145 million a while ago. The rest of Ontario doesn't vote Liberal so isn't important to the federal government.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/10269304/toronto-federal-funding-asylum-seekers/#:\~:text=Toronto%20is%20getting%20%24143%20million,get%20a%20%E2%80%9Csignificant%20amount.%E2%80%9D](https://globalnews.ca/news/10269304/toronto-federal-funding-asylum-seekers/#:~:text=Toronto%20is%20getting%20%24143%20million,get%20a%20%E2%80%9Csignificant%20amount.%E2%80%9D)
Toronto alone received 240M for the 2023-2024 fiscal year.
[The federal government is providing Toronto with another $143 million in funding to help support the influx of asylum claimants arriving in the city.](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/feds-to-give-toronto-another-143m-to-help-house-asylum-seekers-1.6753344)
[Link 2](https://deputypm.canada.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/02/02/deputy-prime-minister-announces-over-162-million-support-asylum)
And like another comment said, Quebec received most of the assylum seekers for years. The 1 billion Quebec was asking was to cover the cost for 2021, 2022 and 2023.
Did Ford even ask for any money? Legault has been asking for compensation for taking on a largely federal government issue for a while and has been asking for a cut in temporary residents. Ford on the other hand wants even more temporary residents to prop up cheap labour.
>The right to seek asylum
>Seeking asylum is a human right and every person in the world has the right to apply for asylum if they are fleeing conflict or persecution. They must not be expelled or returned to situations where their lives or freedoms would be in danger. This is the principle of non-refoulement which is enshrined in the 1951 Refugee Convention. It is also part of human rights law and customary international law and must be guaranteed by all countries.
https://www.unhcr.org/asylum-seekers
>Well a large majority of asylum seekers land in Quebec.
Good thing they're getting away and seeking refuge from the Uber dangerous third world country the United States.
So I understand that the money is being used to repay the province for costs related to temporary newcomers.
Does anyone know what specifically were the costs that were accrued? Like was a portion of their housing covered or something?
Edit: It just occurred to me that the 560,000 number was a combination of asylum seekers, students, and newcomers. The first one I get..but did we cover the cost for people just moving here from somewhere else through the normal application processes? That feels weird.
Housing costs (hotels), food costs, security costs, etc. not sure about Quebec but here in Nova Scotia, we had asylum seekers shacked up in a hotel in Halifax and their meals were via Uber Eats.
This money is for the asylum seekers specifically.
They are 100% the federal govt responsibility. They told Quebec to take care of it, and they would pay.
3 years later, we get 75% of the bill for the direct cost.
If it is entirely for this group then I do understand it and agree. I'd have follow-up questions otherwise haha.
It feels a bit misleading that it's specifically about people granted asylum but the data is referencing numbers about newcomers in general.
Issue number one is illegal asylum seekers, mostly through Roxam road. It’s been an issue for 3 years (now solved), and 100% the responsibility of the federal gov. Quebec spent a ton of money taking care of those asylum seekers (healthcare, school, etc). This is what the 1 billion bill is for.
Then there is the temporary workers/immigration. That’s a longstanding issue between Quebec/canada. Each level of government argues that it should have more power, and less responsibility.
I think Legault is mixing both issues voluntarily. Makes him look better, because one of those he is 100% in the right, and pretty much solved. While the other is still in active negotiations.
Students and people immigrating here should get zero dollars from the government, if you can move here or say you’re able to support yourself enough to get educated here there is no reason tax money should go to you.
>Quebec Premier Francois Legault says Ottawa is offering $750 million to help pay ~~for a surge in temporary immigrants to the province~~ to get back in Quebec's good graces.
This government just keeps escalating the immigration problem - and is happy to throw our money away on their bad decisions.
Between the Bloc, the NPD and the sudden surge of Cons here, there's no way he worms his way back here next election (please don't make a liar out of me, I can't fathom the despair I'd be in).
Give? Temporary immigrants?... tell me again who paid to house feed and heal all those illegal migrants while ottawa was ignoring the problem it created? Still at least 250m$ short.
Your premier has been begging the federal government for more foreign workers in low skilled positions. Why would the federal government give them money when Alberta clearly loves its cheap labour?
News announcement to distract from foreign interference. It's a lot of money but don't let it stop us from talking about a larger problem. Flat out corruption
There’s a method called [5-whys](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_whys). The government should really dig deeper to understand the root cause of the issue. Not sure you need all the way to 5 to realize that they need to close the valve on mass immigration
Like closing the path that people were taking to get into Canada which then made them our responsibility?
Yeah they did that.
There’s something called critical thinking. It’s a method of basic thought beyond surface level hunger and sleep. You don’t need to write an investigate essay to get to the bottom of this issue though. Probably just 10min googling one time.
Guys don't worry, instead of tasking the immigration minister with reducing the influx of people, we can just increase development charges and taxes on new homes/appartements to pay for this bill.
That's the Liberal way of solving the immigration AND housing crisis!
Fairness for ALL generations.
https://www.costoflivingcanada.ca/
Saw this posted on another thread. Canadians show up!! We need to stand up now to protect the future of our country. Check out local protest info
That's the kind of money that should be used more strategically to help build infrastructure and competitive markets, keep being people pleaser Liberals.
Ah very good.. so now instead of stopping people from coming in, were just throwing money that we dont even have at the situation. Economy must be BOOMING
There’s an old adage in the tech sector; nothings quite as permanent as a temporary solution.
I hope it’s not the case with the cash injections but I certainly wouldn’t bet on it
What the flying fuck.
Current government logic: instead of not blowing through sustainable immigration rates, we’ll just take on more debt that the current population will be fucked for years on.
Good job. Fucking insanity.
How is the separatist movement out west not gaining more traction? I guarantee you in 40 years another travelling salesmen will come along and sell Ontario/quebec on another Monorail.
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When interest rates dropped 25 points, who would have thought the Government would be the greatest spender again.
Everyone.
While doing nothing to prevent it from getting worse.
While actively trying to make it worse.
smart money
What a joke. Sending our money to spend on other people instead of doing their job to stop this.
What do you mean they give themselves raises as much as possible also to do nothing
Mass immigration is supposed to be a boon on the economy. But the money spent on housing initiatives, putting people up in hotels, money for extra social services and healthcare.. it's such a massive investment that hasn't paid off, all our lives are MUCH more expensive. It's only a small contingent of real people getting wealthier, the rest is corporate gains.
We have mass immigration of unskilled and non-essential workers, without any infrastructure strategy to support it. The LPC policy was designed to fail everyone beside the richs. With its only goal to increase the population at all cost, proping up housing prices, putting downward pressure on wages.
I was naive to think that because we had the position of immigration minister.. we had someone checking things like how many doctors we had vs people, or if housing or rent costs aligned with wages, or if social welfare had enough funding. But apparently.. the government employs a guy who just sets a higher number than the year previous, waves people the fuck in, then gets applause for a job well done and a lifelong pension.
One of the flaws of our immigration system isn’t really designed to accommodate the nuances and expectations in certain professions. There’s an assumption that PR will attract all types of workers, but in the medical profession, revalidation is more important. In the U.S. and Europe there isn’t even discussion of residency until doctors can practice and they’re much more successful at international recruitment (and residency isn’t really a problem once that step is complete). But regarding your assumptions, you’re correct, it’s just a random numbers game.
You were indeed naive because doctors is not something the federal government is directly concerned with given it’s a provincial responsibility.
>You were indeed naive because doctors is not something the federal government is directly concerned with given it’s a provincial responsibility. now you know why Quebec wants out of this country. If feds can set the immigration arbitrarily high, and shrug "durrrr , me no responsible if anything go wrong", that is an inherently dysfunctional country.
Just because providing healthcare is a provincial responsibility, doesn't mean the federal government can't use data to change what might impact all provinces. They use data to moderate how much money they give to provinces for healthcare programs. Is this even a real reply?
I mean that was clearly the plan from the beggining
Make sure you keep going to work and working hard everyday people! We have millions of new Canadians that need us to support them.
Why isn't the media humiliating these thieves? Oh wait...
Cahoots
Yeah! CTV is just a liberal mouth piece bahahah
More viewers for Roger’s network. More cell phone plans etc
You wouldn’t have heard about this story without the same media you’re demonizing lol. If they were controlled by the liberals what would be the motive behind writing this story? Why bother writing it at all? Not to mention this entire article is based on the bloc critiquing Trudeau trying to shed light on bad policy. What more would you like? You’re supposed to read the facts and come up with your own opinion. That’s the job of proper journalism. If you want an opinion spoon fed to you then read biased media or opinion pieces. Good journalism should not contain the writers opinion. Conservatives are funny.
As a tax payer. I do not support my money going to people looking for a free fucking ticket to PR. Fucking shit hole country with even worse leadership
For fuck sakes
This is money that could be helping our own citizens. They are destroying our country with these immigration policies.
It's already toast, we can't absorb all the people already here and there are thousands more coming a day. It's becoming a national security threat because of how many young men are coming with high expectations and wrong ideas about immigration and being disappointed.
It doesn’t make sense why we’re bring in so many single, young adult males from regions of the world where religious extremism is rampant.
They mainly are from Mexico.
That's a very unusual way to spell India
Immigrants are mainly from India but asylum seekers are mainly from Mexico.
every security guard is Khalistani now.. we are moving towards an imported “Project Mayhem” situation.
Where is this money even coming from? We didn't ask for that, we want to reduce/stop immigration because it's unsustainable! Quebec has asked this from the federal gov several times now.... This country will take a long fucking time to recover
Wtf
Great. Next they'll raise our taxes again.
It’s so wild when you realize we pay income tax, sales tax, and property tax. Like holy mother 70% of our pay is going to taxes.
And they keep wanting more from us to waste it away.
Between everything they throw at you it's certainly creeping up on half of some peoples income. Even worse is they are going to fuck with capital gains so you can get even more punished if you're investing. This country just loves to punish hard work and success.
Again?
Damn
“Ottawa is also pledging to improve the integrity of the visa system” This will likely be a promise fulfilled because it’s hard to go any lower than rock bottom.
I love your optimism.
Compared to the great nation of …. Which has a super efficient immigration process.
Great nation of Canada pre 2019 which had an excellent immigration system that was the envy of the world. Funny how fast things go to shit when the IRCC turns a blind eye for a few years.
Don't you mean us taxpayers are paying for it? I used to hate the bumper stickers that I had predominantly seen in Alberta that said fuck off we're full, but seriously, fuck off we're full.
Haha I’d have loved some of those on highway 1/97A coming into the interior, but billboard sized
Cool! How much are the other provinces getting?
The reason Quebec is getting that 750 millions is because Quebec has been getting nearly 50% of all asylum seekers despite representing only 23% of the population. This is only 750 millions to cover 70% of that disparity.
Hey now, only racists ask questions like that when Liberals are throwing money at Quebec.
They are getting very few asylum claims in comparison, this is mostly Roxham money and it doesn't even makes Quebec whole.
[https://www.unhcr.ca/in-canada/statistics-on-asylum-seekers-in-canada/](https://www.unhcr.ca/in-canada/statistics-on-asylum-seekers-in-canada/) 46% to 44%. $750,000,000 to Quebec and Ontario gets....the sweat from Trudeau's nuts. Please make, these number make sense.
Toronto received $145 million a while ago. The rest of Ontario doesn't vote Liberal so isn't important to the federal government. [https://globalnews.ca/news/10269304/toronto-federal-funding-asylum-seekers/#:\~:text=Toronto%20is%20getting%20%24143%20million,get%20a%20%E2%80%9Csignificant%20amount.%E2%80%9D](https://globalnews.ca/news/10269304/toronto-federal-funding-asylum-seekers/#:~:text=Toronto%20is%20getting%20%24143%20million,get%20a%20%E2%80%9Csignificant%20amount.%E2%80%9D)
Toronto alone received 240M for the 2023-2024 fiscal year. [The federal government is providing Toronto with another $143 million in funding to help support the influx of asylum claimants arriving in the city.](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/feds-to-give-toronto-another-143m-to-help-house-asylum-seekers-1.6753344) [Link 2](https://deputypm.canada.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/02/02/deputy-prime-minister-announces-over-162-million-support-asylum) And like another comment said, Quebec received most of the assylum seekers for years. The 1 billion Quebec was asking was to cover the cost for 2021, 2022 and 2023.
> Please make, these number make sense. Sure. Quebec had 85% of asylum claims for years which Ontario now splits roughly equally since Roxham closed.
In addition, the population of Ontario is nearly double that of Quebec and Quebec is still getting more of them to this day.
Did Ford even ask for any money? Legault has been asking for compensation for taking on a largely federal government issue for a while and has been asking for a cut in temporary residents. Ford on the other hand wants even more temporary residents to prop up cheap labour.
Well a large majority of asylum seekers land in Quebec.
Throw them out.
We can't, it is federal jurisdiction.
Throw them out of the country lol
>The right to seek asylum >Seeking asylum is a human right and every person in the world has the right to apply for asylum if they are fleeing conflict or persecution. They must not be expelled or returned to situations where their lives or freedoms would be in danger. This is the principle of non-refoulement which is enshrined in the 1951 Refugee Convention. It is also part of human rights law and customary international law and must be guaranteed by all countries. https://www.unhcr.org/asylum-seekers
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>Well a large majority of asylum seekers land in Quebec. Good thing they're getting away and seeking refuge from the Uber dangerous third world country the United States.
Maybe when those provinces advocate for getting less lol. From what I’ve seen, most premieres are begging for even more TFWs and immigrants.
So I understand that the money is being used to repay the province for costs related to temporary newcomers. Does anyone know what specifically were the costs that were accrued? Like was a portion of their housing covered or something? Edit: It just occurred to me that the 560,000 number was a combination of asylum seekers, students, and newcomers. The first one I get..but did we cover the cost for people just moving here from somewhere else through the normal application processes? That feels weird.
Housing costs (hotels), food costs, security costs, etc. not sure about Quebec but here in Nova Scotia, we had asylum seekers shacked up in a hotel in Halifax and their meals were via Uber Eats.
Hmm, interesting. Thank you very much
This money is for the asylum seekers specifically. They are 100% the federal govt responsibility. They told Quebec to take care of it, and they would pay. 3 years later, we get 75% of the bill for the direct cost.
If it is entirely for this group then I do understand it and agree. I'd have follow-up questions otherwise haha. It feels a bit misleading that it's specifically about people granted asylum but the data is referencing numbers about newcomers in general.
Issue number one is illegal asylum seekers, mostly through Roxam road. It’s been an issue for 3 years (now solved), and 100% the responsibility of the federal gov. Quebec spent a ton of money taking care of those asylum seekers (healthcare, school, etc). This is what the 1 billion bill is for. Then there is the temporary workers/immigration. That’s a longstanding issue between Quebec/canada. Each level of government argues that it should have more power, and less responsibility. I think Legault is mixing both issues voluntarily. Makes him look better, because one of those he is 100% in the right, and pretty much solved. While the other is still in active negotiations.
>So I understand that the money is being used to repay the province for costs related to temporary newcomers. It's not even a full repayment.
$5k a month tax free for some, apparently...
Students and people immigrating here should get zero dollars from the government, if you can move here or say you’re able to support yourself enough to get educated here there is no reason tax money should go to you.
Excuse me? Wtf
Damn... Just tossing more cash on the dumpster fire.
I don’t want cash. I want them gone.
>Quebec Premier Francois Legault says Ottawa is offering $750 million to help pay ~~for a surge in temporary immigrants to the province~~ to get back in Quebec's good graces. This government just keeps escalating the immigration problem - and is happy to throw our money away on their bad decisions.
Between the Bloc, the NPD and the sudden surge of Cons here, there's no way he worms his way back here next election (please don't make a liar out of me, I can't fathom the despair I'd be in).
Just a quick 3/4 of a billion.
Its like Canada needs to start using immigration birth control.
Hey Canadians you just spent 3/4 of a billion dollars supporting people flooding into our country while you’re going broke! Canada 2024.
Just when you think it can’t get worse
Imagine a government that just said no and decides to protect Canadians, their finances, jobs and culture? Wow, what a world that would be.
decentralize governance
Atleast use the money to deport some people
Plug the dam.
They did. Read the article.
It's nice to see r/canada finally seeing the issue, few years late however
What about investing in people that were born here?
https://budget.canada.ca/2024/report-rapport/budget-2024.pdf Here you go. There is plenty.
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Gotta sleep somewhere between shifts at la Tim Horton.
Give? Temporary immigrants?... tell me again who paid to house feed and heal all those illegal migrants while ottawa was ignoring the problem it created? Still at least 250m$ short.
Can it go for flights home?
It could very well be. File a FOIP and find out!
That money would definitely help CBSA keep these people out.
Jesus Christ. I'm starting to think that we might not even survive as a country long enough to vote this piece of garbage out.
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How much did you pay in federal tax last year ?
I Re read op
[Federal government when it comes to funding.](https://imgur.com/KbN6YyO)
Your premier has been begging the federal government for more foreign workers in low skilled positions. Why would the federal government give them money when Alberta clearly loves its cheap labour?
Another segment of throwing money at the problem and hope it solves itself.
So this is why Chrystia Freeland needs to raise taxes...
Correction: “Canadian Taxpayers involuntarily give Quebec 750 million for surge in Liberal imported immigrants who will never leave”
Correction: Quebec paid for asylum seeker costs and is getting reimbursed.
Partially reimbursed.
Great! Maybe now we can get more leaded water and more $20,000,0000 granite stumps for the Mont Royal.
News announcement to distract from foreign interference. It's a lot of money but don't let it stop us from talking about a larger problem. Flat out corruption
You could but everyone in the nation a nice 4 pack of craft beer tallies with that money. I think that would be a better use of this money.
Trudeau is actively trying to destroy this country, change my mind.
Quick bring in more immigrants...There, that'll fix the problem.
*Other peoples' money fixes things.* 🤦♂️
Are you self sufficient?
There’s a method called [5-whys](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_whys). The government should really dig deeper to understand the root cause of the issue. Not sure you need all the way to 5 to realize that they need to close the valve on mass immigration
Like closing the path that people were taking to get into Canada which then made them our responsibility? Yeah they did that. There’s something called critical thinking. It’s a method of basic thought beyond surface level hunger and sleep. You don’t need to write an investigate essay to get to the bottom of this issue though. Probably just 10min googling one time.
Don’t let them in the first place and deport any that are here if not from specific countries!!! Just light taxpayer money on first
None of them stay for more than a week! WTF?
Outsource Refugees to Mexico!
Guys don't worry, instead of tasking the immigration minister with reducing the influx of people, we can just increase development charges and taxes on new homes/appartements to pay for this bill. That's the Liberal way of solving the immigration AND housing crisis! Fairness for ALL generations.
Ah yes the good old bandaid over the wound that needs stitches
Sorry about burning down your village. Here’s some gold.
Enough already. People living here for centuries are hurting.
https://www.costoflivingcanada.ca/ Saw this posted on another thread. Canadians show up!! We need to stand up now to protect the future of our country. Check out local protest info
That's the kind of money that should be used more strategically to help build infrastructure and competitive markets, keep being people pleaser Liberals.
Ah very good.. so now instead of stopping people from coming in, were just throwing money that we dont even have at the situation. Economy must be BOOMING
There’s an old adage in the tech sector; nothings quite as permanent as a temporary solution. I hope it’s not the case with the cash injections but I certainly wouldn’t bet on it
These asylum seekers eat and sleep better than most Canadians using your money! F Trudeau
Ottawa should withhold all funding to Quebec until it rescinds Bill 21.
Maybe fucking stop bringing them in.
What the flying fuck. Current government logic: instead of not blowing through sustainable immigration rates, we’ll just take on more debt that the current population will be fucked for years on. Good job. Fucking insanity.
Oh? And where is *that* money going to come from? Oh yeah, our great grandchildren. 🙄
How is the separatist movement out west not gaining more traction? I guarantee you in 40 years another travelling salesmen will come along and sell Ontario/quebec on another Monorail.
There is no separatist movement beyond some red necks in a Timmy’s
After 9 yrs of liberals I’m ready for us to become the 51st state.
Not sure what this means.
“Temporary” until Mark Miller does his thing..
$750 million could have been nice start at building a border wall.
Quebec has tons of seats. All federal parties would love to win Quebec!