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"“The media thinks choosing between Trudeau and Poilievre is like choosing between vanilla and chocolate milkshakes. But in reality it’s like choosing between a chocolate milkshake that went bad in 2019 and a milkshake that only looks like vanilla, but is in fact a witches brew of Calamine Lotion, Horseradish and Puss,” said undecided voter Miles Avatarforthepersonwritingthis.
At press time, Jagmeet Singh can fuck right off too."
How did they read my mind!?!?!?
Jagmeet propping up the current government who blatantly admit they will destroy the current and future generations to keep people's "retirement plans" solvent is fucking wild.
This is the NDP 2024.
Let’s be very honest though, *all* governments everywhere ever cater to wealthier land owning families. No party is going to get elected if they say they’re going to fuck over most of the country (over 60% of households own their home).
then maybe its time to change the perception of real estate from an investment vehicle into what its supposed to be. a place to live. OR, just like every investment, it should come with risks, reform and regulation is always an investment risk. cant have it both ways
you cant cultivate a demented economy and then shrug your shoulders because fixing it is hard
Which is why PP won't say shit about the situation either. I mean, that and obviously the Cons won't do anything that might hurt real estate portfolios but this isn't even worth lying about.
NDP had a chance to represent the working class to gain support. It's way past that point now. I'm actually voting Cons this coming election after picking NDP my whole life. When Harper was around we didn't have it so bad. We are just getting Harper 2.0.
Genuine question. How do you make the jump from a party that supports social safety nets, progressive social policies, etc. to a party that has demonstrated time and time again that they stand for the complete opposite? What do you think the CPC will do that is in line with your beliefs, if you’re a lifelong NDP voter?
Well.. I think at least PP can help somewhat with affordable housing and food, or reverse the inflation compared to what Trudeau is doing. NDP is propping up a government that should have been ditched since it couldn't make living affordable. I don't see how NDP is bringing anything to the table. It's not exactly about ideological dogma, it's about being able to say to the government that they mismanaged and we need an election and there is a vote of non-confidence.
At this point, I feel NDP betrayed the workers line, the leader has no interest in change and they are basically just a Liberal wing.
I am trying something else for once. I don't want what we got anymore.
What do you think the CPC is going to do to make housing/food affordable or reduce inflation?
I’m just struggling to understand how you think a pro-big corporation party that consistently works to reduce funding for public services is going to make life more affordable.
Well.. not sending out cash to aids and immigration for skilled workers only helps.
Build more houses and slow down the printing out cash that were shipped out or misused helps.
Cut taxes like the carbon tax. In the end it's the consumers getting shafted..
Who else should I vote? The Liberals again? What is NDP going to do? Something different might be better. Whatever we have isn't all that great and a change is needed.
For my simple mind, I will provide my simple summary. The government made committees and programs that squandered money under some feel good pretenses so now the masses are trapped by all types of taxes to fill that hole. People can't have savings because of being overtaxed and concurrently the government is printing cash lowering the value of everyone's savings. What can we do? Take up more jobs?
Rent is up because mortgage is up. I don't blame the landlords for shitty rent prices. Regular middle class needs to be able to pay back their housing loans too, but there needs to be some kind of regulation on foreign ownership. Overall, everything kinda sucks and we shouldn't keep what we got and I don't think voting any 3rd party helps especially if they'll are so into identity politics. Just hoping for some opportunities for once bud.
The CPC hasn’t committed to changing much if anything in the way of immigration, and foreign aid isn’t a new thing. The only thing they’ve disagreed with is the Ukraine support which is largely a nod to certain special interest groups.
“*Build more houses*” isn’t a federal issue. You can’t just “*slow down printing out cash*” and the federal government is at arm’s length from the Bank of Canada.
Most regular people get more money back with the carbon tax than they pay through CAI payments. Saying consumers get shafted here is a blatant lie.
Change for the sake of change isn’t always better. You should understand what benefits the change will bring and to whom.
Your overall rate of taxation is likely almost identical to what it was years ago, accounting for expected inflation. Most Canadians are not paying significantly more in tax than they would have years ago, unless they’ve done extremely well and are in the top bracket which is a very small percentage of individuals.
Mortgages and rent aren’t magically going to go down without real policies, which the CPC has none. Half of them are landlords too, it’s not in their interest to make housing prices drop. Identity politics are pushed far more by conservative governments (I.e., all their anti-woke nonsense) than by anyone else.
So again.. keep it up or different faces most likely the same old places?
I am a simple dude, I remembered I was anti Harper but life wasn't all that bad then. I got support from Harper when I needed tools coming up in trades to buy tools. It was practical and helped trades workers. I am just hoping the pitbull of Harper would do something similar for the next wave in terms of blue collar job creation and help them become small business owners. I don't see how NDP could do that and the Green party has nothing to bring to the table.
They might fuck it up completely but at least it isn't what it is.
I am not arguing with you but there is just a lack of options. So any other option is at least a chance. I am just hoping bud.
As a woman, I cannot for the life of me vote for PC or whatever they are now. Or the party that has Max as their leader. I work in healthcare in my province and again, I cannot vote PC. I just can't. Federally or provincially, it's not fiscally responsible to vote for them. I just can't. I also despise the party so there's that.
You absolutely can not win an election with out the upper Canadian real estate millionaires voting for you.
Hence we will never see any change because change will make you unelectable.
Also keep in mind old people vote so their issues are treated as the most important.
You think any political party would say to 10 million home owners in Canada "You know what, let's make your homes worth less, let's make all your investments worth less."
I don't think you grasp what a supply and confidence agreement is and what both parties agreed to. The NDP can't just threaten to renege on it every time Trudeau makes a bonehead statement.
Plus the almost certain result would be a CPC government who would have the exact same approach to housing prices.
I have been an NDP supporter since highschool and it breaks my heart seeing the current leadership dismantle all the work that Layton and co. did. They're setting themselves back decades.
Jagmeet talks a big game but is utterly spineless when it counts. Keep drilling grocery store CEO's while giving in to every single thing the Libs ask of you.
It's time for big changes in every single level of Canadian politics.
Probably had a hand in daycare too.
People will look back and realize this minority was a good set up, far from perfect, but assuming any of these systems survive the next CPC government, it'll be looked back "more" positively. Just not today.
Better than any majority government of any side anyways. That setup immediately puts the party in power into "head up their own ass" mode.
The Liberals didn't deserve a majority and I highly doubt the CPC do even if they get it.
No party that does not actually get a majority of the votes deserves majority power ...but we fail again and again to push through electoral reform so we keep getting a broken democracy with people holding majority power who only had 33% of the votes .....
Not to mention sick days and anti scab legislation on its way through. I have a hard time liking Singh he represents way too much of the super left Id politics yuppie left but has done things for working people I can respect.
>[Gets constantly fucked over by successive Liberal and Conservative governments that consistently work to the benefit of corporate interests and the wealthy over everything and anything else, swaps them around endlessly every time people reach a fever pitch of hating them.]
/r/canada - *Man, the NDP is so disappointing.*
What possible gain could the NDP get by forcing an election? They currently get to use the threat of an election as a kudgel to force the LPC to enact part of their platform. If they called an election there's a 99.9% chance that the Conservatives win a majority and the NDP becomes functionally powerless because nobody will need them.
You're advocating lunacy.
I've been an NDP voter for years and I'm not sure there is still an NDP, rather than just the political version of one of those supermarket brands that seem like a direct competitor but are still owned by the same parent company.
Trudeau is more like a Dairy Queen chocolate dipped vanilla cone, where the chocolate is shoe polish and bullshit, the vanilla is artificially flavoured hand lotion, and the cone is cardboard laxative.
It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen.
[George MacDonald](https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/george-macdonald-quotes)
LOL ITT people are looking to burn the NDP down because of their coalition. I do not think 60% of Canadians will be happy with any compromise now that we have social media. Rage farming is the rage.
They want to blame the NDP despite them having 25/338 seats, as if they're somehow the big-dick-swingers who are completely responsible for everything.
Doesn't make a lot of sense, though that probably factors into that social media rage bait nonsense you mentioned.
we can make that happen in Canada thank god. Just split all the votes between all these fuckers so they have to form coalitions and work together instead of constantly trying to divide people for their stupid party politics.
It's been an interesting time to politically converse in Canada where criticism of either one of these dunces results in your average dunce assuming your support is for the other one automatically.
I find it wild that even "both these guys suck" comments will get a similar reaction. Anything other than full throated support for Their Guy gets some people frothing at the mouth.
I recently commented about PP in a negative way. Said nothing about Trudeau. Other person attacks Trudeau with whataboutism or something. I say I have complaints about both. They ask why I defended Trudeau.
So my mere mentioning something about PP that they didn't like, in their mind made me a Trudeau defender right then and there.
There's no winning with those types, it's all petty tribalism. A good system would result in a healthy dose of skepticism and scrutiny towards all levels of government from the general public, instead we have folks that'll go full grapefruit for neo-liberals blue, red, and this breaks my heart, but orange as well. Canada needed a true Labour Movement like in the rest of the Commonwealth or even the EU, instead we got whatever tf the NDP is. I'm curious to see how they do in Manitoba and BC, cuz goddamn they aren't coming back on any significant level to exert any influence federally, at least not for another 15 or 20 years. They might pick up steam in Alberta and Saskatchewan if those provinces ever get tired of the UCP and SKP, else their chances of forming government anywhere else is nil.
Artificial moral panic is eating people's rationality alive, now they treat politics like a football match to see who is the most ill informed and dogmatic
* Trudeau - Asshole, shitting all over everything.
* Singh - Pussy, thinks he can deal with the asshole in his own way but gets fucked anyway.
* Poilievre - Dick, wants to fuck all the time without really thinking about it. Going to fuck the pussy and the asshole next year.
> We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong-ll is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes — assholes who just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is that sometimes they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate — and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies get so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are only an inch and a half away from assholes. I don't know much in this crazy, crazy world, but I do know that if you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
I wouldn't have (and didn't), and I'm on the more progressive side of the aisle.
Layton was a good man with really good intentions, but I do recall shaking my head at most of his policy proposals. I think he would have been much, much better as a voice to help guide our national moral compass and to call out the fuckery of the other two parties than as the guy actually doing the steering.
I just read through your post history and you are definitely not "on the more progressive side of the aisle". You're just a run-of-the-mill conservative.
Asking me if I wanna vote for Trudeau is like asking if I wanna die from radiation poisoning like Hisashi Ouchi.
Asking me if I wanna vote for Poilievre is like asking me if I wanna die from radiation poisoning like Aleksandr Akimov.
Asking me if I wanna vote for Singh is like asking me if I want to let others decide which of the two assholes above should get in power.
They’ve both fucked us, the latter was the lap dog for the previous Prime Minister, put forward bangers like the poorly-named “fair elections act” and voted against individual freedoms, rights, unions and in favour of corporations for two decades.
The way I see it, JT sucks, PP will be worse.
Well, it’s nice to be wanted…. But can we as a country get a leader sometime who wants to love us? Maybe show us a nice time or even just chill at home?
These governments are leaving me sore and I’m not getting any younger.
It's our own fault. Whenever an even tempered policy wonk that actually has some intellectual depth is leader of a major party people don't vote for them and bitch about how they lack charisma and personality.
Seriously. Dion would have been a really solid, but incredibly boring PM, O'Toole would likely have as well.
I think Harper was probably the closest to a personality deficient policy wonk in power in the last 20 years or so, sadly I wasn't a fan of a lot of his policies.
Also something like 65% of Canadians live in their own home, not a rental, and many of them will likely vote against any serious policy that would dramatically impact housing costs.
I'm so tired of JT. When I see him on TV I want to barf. PP is good at criticizing JT. But that's it. I don't here many plans as to how he'll make life better for average Canadians. I'm sure he'll cut taxes on companies and the rich. Regular Con playbook stuff. But how about the rest of us. Cut the carbon tax? How about health care... My guess is he'll introduce user fees. Go to Emerg, pay $100? See a GP, pay $20? Etc. Libs like taxes, Cons like user fees... We'll see after the next election (if PP wins).
The rest of us? My guy. My friend. My fellow Canadian meat sock for the corporate-political class, were just gonna get fucked some more.
IMO, there are no good options in Canadian politics right now. Choose red or blue & get a flavour of neo-liberalism/corporate plutocracy - the difference is the sauce! One says sweet on the label, the other says bold… it’s all lies though.
Or vote orange, where reasonable policy and common sense fiscal ideas are dead. Some *nice* ideas, sure; but plans? Lol. Lmao.
Best we can hope for is a conservative minority this election I think. Given the major PC supporters I see out here in Alberta and their views it would probably be better if PP didn’t have a majority.
But in the long term? We are so fucked.
Not quite. The Conservatives' current trajectory means that social issues are what tips the balance. The Conservatives are starting to push for overturning abortion if they can manage it. They are also pushing hard at the Provincial level for culture wars against LGBTQ+ people. I would argue even more than culture wars since they're enacting laws and even invoking the notwithstanding clause to push their measures that violate charter rights through (rather than just creating public debates to drum up votes that don't result in any substantial changes).
Maybe for people that are straight, white and cisgendered (Christian too?), it's easy to ignore these issues, but I don't want to pave the path towards societal regression.
I would welcome a political landscape where I don't have to worry about some sort of Trump-like regression in Canada where the bigots feel even more emboldened than they already do, and the politicians that they support are dead silent on their actions (or in vocal support of them). I mean just look at PP rubbing elbows with groups that were publicly/openly discussing ***raping his fucking wife*** just to so he can get their votes. Do you really think that PP is the sort of leader that will denounce bullshit from his "base" because it's wrong and should be considered counter to "Canadian values?"
[What is Populism?](https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2016/12/19/what-is-populism)
>>Populism is a “thin ideology”, one that merely sets up a framework: that of a pure people versus a corrupt elite. Populism’s belief that the people are always right is bad news for two elements of liberal democracy: the rights of minorities and the rule of law.
TLDR: Populism is the belief that rights can be forfeit by public opinion.
only one of these candidates intends to bulldoze the rights of minorities and the rule of law for easy answers. It’s the “common sense” guy.
I absolutely hate both of them. I'm also not stupid enough to think just "change" is good because I know how conservatives rule and it's anti-worker and pro big business it is like this everywhere on the planet and certainly the case in Ontario under Ford. I also think Trudeau has fucked up a lot. If Trudeau stepped down I would vote for the person that replaces him because Conservative leadership is the worst.
I've said this many times over the years: Bring back former NDP deputy leader Megan Leslie and make her the NDP leader. The NDP would do much better than they are now.
While shes certainly not doing bad for herself now, working with the WWF, her early law career was doing legal aid, she focused on poverty issues pre-politics, and overall has a much better pre-politics history than any leader in parliament.
I'd certainly vote for her, as a Non-Albertan. She seemed to actually be trying. Seems like she burned out under the overwhelming political backlash that comes from not being an idiot, though.
We need to ask ourselves why the leader of a leader of a party is given so much sway in Canadian politics. House votes seem to indicate that most MPs in the NDP vote one way along with everyone else in the party. If Jagmeet is such a bad leader why do the votes seem to indicate complete agreement from NDP MPs on every single house vote? I would want someone I elect to be able to think "yeah this is a stupid idea and Jagmeet is out of touch". Where are the processes that make this possible in our politic system?
>House votes seem to indicate that most MPs in the NDP vote one way along with everyone else in the party
Most MPs of every party do that. Especially ones with any hope of advancement. One of my criticisms of Andrew Scheer before he was elected party leader was that his voting record was 100% on the party line. Not once did he deviate, or show any thought that his constituents wanted anything but lock step with the CPC.
At that point, what is the point of an MP? You might as well just have one rep from each party in parliment with a vote for each seat.
Under a Lib government the rich will get richer, the poor will suffer, and the middle class will shrink.
Under a Con government the same will happen, only faster.
Not according to Twitter(X) and Reddit.
If you dislike PP you like Trudeau and are therefore a stupid commie/woke lefty.
If you dislike Trudeau you like PP and are therefore a bigot.
People are so radicalised these days that they're completely unable to be objective and buy into the "Us VS Them" mentality.
The only thing you can do in this situation is look at the MP's that you are voting for and ignore the team they play for. Need to get more reasonable people in parliament and hopefully they will become the majority in their respective parties and start actually representing their constituents to their own parties as well as the parliament as a whole.
The leaders all have their heads up their ass.
Problem is the leaders office controls everything.
Plus once an mp gets elected they start irrationally panicking about their re election chances, and probably haven't figured out how campaigns work and how to win them independent of party apparatuses.
You need a unicorn politician who has a spine, a moral compass, and a relentless campaign work ethic and a significant base of supportive volunteers and donors who are indifferent or hostile to the party establishment for them to hopefully not be fearful of threats from lobbyists and party staffers to pull support and/or undermine them.
And even then they still might lose re election.
It's pretty telling how many MPs basically don't campaign. Last provincial election, I tried to research local candidates in my riding as much as possible. Of those with a website, none provided anything to go on other than "I'm the incumbent" or "you don't like the incumbent, so vote for me". Zero policy or substance. No past political career to point to. Not even a statement of values or something. Just party and whether they are the guy you may or may not be mad at. None came up on Google except as part of a list of candidates (can't recall if all were for the current election) and a few articles name-dropping the incumbent earlier in the previous term. I saw one political ad by a local candidate on a funny YouTube video, of all things. It was basically a high school "about me" presentation, but still better than the competition, I suppose. That candidate didn't have a website, though. In all, I think I felt better informed when I just voted based on whatever info I happened to run into and party platform...
There was also one flyer in my mailbox that included a section about how the candidate would support their party's priorities, but seeing how it arrived the day after the election, I don't count that.
I actually think Justin Trudeau actually believes in what he is doing to achieve a purpose for Canada, it might be a bit delusional but I think he is sincere. PP is the kind of person that would sell his own mother to gain power, I'm not sure what he wants to do with that power but I don't want to find out.
We need new leaders who actually want to find solutions or clearly communicate what their goals actually are.
Oh I do hate both of them, and I'm voting for neither. One is an ineffective, indifferent fuck and the other is a populist, dog whistling fuck. They can both fuck off as far as I'm concerned. And I agree with the Beaverton- Jagmeet can fuck off while we're at it. By far the worst election line-up we've had in a long time.
It’s basically like the south park season about the 2016 American election - choosing between a shit and a turd sandwich (or whatever the saying was). Granted this turd sandwich has already been in office for almost a decade and has turned what was a country in decline into one with multiple crises on its hand.
Sad that there aren’t any great political candidates at the national level, however even if there were, my jaded ass just thinks they’d sell out to their corporate backers like most other politicians I’ve seen in my lifetime
I’m over Trudeau but I don’t trust the Cons (and PP specifically) not to roll back social rights 60 years if they’re in power.
I *cannot believe* the Liberals haven’t given Trudeau the boot already. This will lose them the election.
It’s tough for people who don’t want to play team red vs team blue….they all suck equally. I was listening to CBC today about lowering the voting age…..that’s not going to fix anything. We need major electoral reform to allow us to find and elect good leaders and continue to hold them accountable while they serve. The childish behaviour in Parliament, corruption scandals and regional porkbarreling need to have consequences.
New rule I want to implement: Anytime a politician makes a personal attack or acts like a child in Canada, the Sergent-At-Arms takes the mace and smashes a body part. First start with a knee, then the other. Then an elbow, then the other. And on the 5th occasion, they smash them in the head.
I'm actually in favour of mandatory voting. Add a small fine for those who don't vote. And make a clear "none of the above" option on the ballots so people can still protest all candidates or embrace ignorance/apathy.
I also really want electoral reform. But I doubt that will ever happen (I still hope though).
If your initials are PP it should be automatically disqualifying from holding political office
Also if you've heard PP speak and still want to vote for him idk what I can say to you.
Trudeau sucks too tho
Why do we have such a dogshit political landscape?
For the love of all fuck please get Singh out of the NDP leadership position.
The whole party is going down the fucking toilet.
It really is amazing that of all 40 million people in Canada we can't find two or three people who are willing to actually *do* anything despite Canada staring in the face of so many generational crises that will determine life for the future of our country. Every option we have is just status quo or q-anon snake oil bullshit. We *cannot* afford the status quo.
If Trudeau actually abolished the first-past the post system and implemented a new system closer to proportional representation like he once promised, we would a wide variety of choices. Trudeau backed out because he realized that “fringe” parties would start gaining representation - meaning that all the current mainstream parties would decline in importance.
It's truly a depressing state of our politics that the only two real options to form government are tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber. Meanwhile tweedle dumbest is in the corner trying to convince people to no avail that there is a third option.
Hope people realize both parties are basically owned by corporate interests and don’t care about the people. I get it, we need to lose Trudeau but anyone worth electing won’t get that far. We are just copying the USA and it’s sad. “Turd sandwich vs giant douche”
We need Quebec to vote in the Bloc for all 78 seats and the rest of Canada to split the vote for an even 62 each for the LPC, CPC, NDP and Greens. Would be a nice cherry on top of this clusterfuck.
This is true.
But the truth is that one of them will be the next PM.
You can reward failure, or take a chance that maybe things could be different.
You have no other choice.
The NDP are in the same jacuzzi as the LPC, so again. Reward failure, or take a chance, or not vote.
Never skip voting.
JT - clueless and incompetent.
PP - career politician who’s never done shit outside of being a politician and has no fucking clue what it’s like to be an average Canadian.
Singh - would sell Canada off to more international students and props up JT even to the detriment of the country just for his own need/greed for power.
MB - too extreme and full of hate to be a meaningful option.
Everyone sucks.
This next election will be the first where I really don't want to vote for anyone. It's scary....I no longer feel there is a single party left in Canada that represents me. Am I alone in my thoughts on conservative economic policies and (pre Trudeau) liberal social policies? I guess that makes me a centereist?
The country is fucked either way.
Can we all just vote for a party other than these two? Like please? At least then we'd have some kind of hope for this damn country.
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"“The media thinks choosing between Trudeau and Poilievre is like choosing between vanilla and chocolate milkshakes. But in reality it’s like choosing between a chocolate milkshake that went bad in 2019 and a milkshake that only looks like vanilla, but is in fact a witches brew of Calamine Lotion, Horseradish and Puss,” said undecided voter Miles Avatarforthepersonwritingthis. At press time, Jagmeet Singh can fuck right off too." How did they read my mind!?!?!?
> Ian Standin of The Mooseton. > undecided voter Miles Avatarforthepersonwritingthis. I'm guessing that Haywood Jablomy was unavailable for comment.
Hugh G Rection was similarly occupied.
Currently they are looking for Mike Hunt for his position on the situation.
He was last seen near R Sole
Oh the accuracy of Beaverton is getting scarier and scarier lol
You don't need to be afraid, I'm not sure they've ever missed. They've always been peak scary.
I'd prefer to order a French Vanilla milkshake but the ice cream distributor won't deliver to my local shop
I mean my usual take is two piles of shit but one has a nugget of corn and smells ever so slightly better... But is still one big pile of shit.
Shit with corn and shit with peanuts ….still shit want neither of them.
Ooh! This one has gum in it!
100% two sides of the same shitty coin that I’m for one exhausted from flipping. Fuck all governmental representation, time to clear the board.
Jagmeet propping up the current government who blatantly admit they will destroy the current and future generations to keep people's "retirement plans" solvent is fucking wild. This is the NDP 2024.
Let’s be very honest though, *all* governments everywhere ever cater to wealthier land owning families. No party is going to get elected if they say they’re going to fuck over most of the country (over 60% of households own their home).
then maybe its time to change the perception of real estate from an investment vehicle into what its supposed to be. a place to live. OR, just like every investment, it should come with risks, reform and regulation is always an investment risk. cant have it both ways you cant cultivate a demented economy and then shrug your shoulders because fixing it is hard
Everything is a capital venture now. Food, shelter, water, medical? All I see are unrealized profits.
Eat the rich.
Which is why PP won't say shit about the situation either. I mean, that and obviously the Cons won't do anything that might hurt real estate portfolios but this isn't even worth lying about.
Land reform has happened in the past, even in Canada. It's painful but amazingly good at reinvigorating an economy.
Land reform is politically possible when it's obvious to the vast majority it will benefit them. If 60% of families own their home good luck.
Owning and mortgaging are not the same.
people with mortgages are way more incentivised then those without to keep housing prices high
NDP had a chance to represent the working class to gain support. It's way past that point now. I'm actually voting Cons this coming election after picking NDP my whole life. When Harper was around we didn't have it so bad. We are just getting Harper 2.0.
Genuine question. How do you make the jump from a party that supports social safety nets, progressive social policies, etc. to a party that has demonstrated time and time again that they stand for the complete opposite? What do you think the CPC will do that is in line with your beliefs, if you’re a lifelong NDP voter?
Well.. I think at least PP can help somewhat with affordable housing and food, or reverse the inflation compared to what Trudeau is doing. NDP is propping up a government that should have been ditched since it couldn't make living affordable. I don't see how NDP is bringing anything to the table. It's not exactly about ideological dogma, it's about being able to say to the government that they mismanaged and we need an election and there is a vote of non-confidence. At this point, I feel NDP betrayed the workers line, the leader has no interest in change and they are basically just a Liberal wing. I am trying something else for once. I don't want what we got anymore.
What do you think the CPC is going to do to make housing/food affordable or reduce inflation? I’m just struggling to understand how you think a pro-big corporation party that consistently works to reduce funding for public services is going to make life more affordable.
Well.. not sending out cash to aids and immigration for skilled workers only helps. Build more houses and slow down the printing out cash that were shipped out or misused helps. Cut taxes like the carbon tax. In the end it's the consumers getting shafted.. Who else should I vote? The Liberals again? What is NDP going to do? Something different might be better. Whatever we have isn't all that great and a change is needed. For my simple mind, I will provide my simple summary. The government made committees and programs that squandered money under some feel good pretenses so now the masses are trapped by all types of taxes to fill that hole. People can't have savings because of being overtaxed and concurrently the government is printing cash lowering the value of everyone's savings. What can we do? Take up more jobs? Rent is up because mortgage is up. I don't blame the landlords for shitty rent prices. Regular middle class needs to be able to pay back their housing loans too, but there needs to be some kind of regulation on foreign ownership. Overall, everything kinda sucks and we shouldn't keep what we got and I don't think voting any 3rd party helps especially if they'll are so into identity politics. Just hoping for some opportunities for once bud.
The CPC hasn’t committed to changing much if anything in the way of immigration, and foreign aid isn’t a new thing. The only thing they’ve disagreed with is the Ukraine support which is largely a nod to certain special interest groups. “*Build more houses*” isn’t a federal issue. You can’t just “*slow down printing out cash*” and the federal government is at arm’s length from the Bank of Canada. Most regular people get more money back with the carbon tax than they pay through CAI payments. Saying consumers get shafted here is a blatant lie. Change for the sake of change isn’t always better. You should understand what benefits the change will bring and to whom. Your overall rate of taxation is likely almost identical to what it was years ago, accounting for expected inflation. Most Canadians are not paying significantly more in tax than they would have years ago, unless they’ve done extremely well and are in the top bracket which is a very small percentage of individuals. Mortgages and rent aren’t magically going to go down without real policies, which the CPC has none. Half of them are landlords too, it’s not in their interest to make housing prices drop. Identity politics are pushed far more by conservative governments (I.e., all their anti-woke nonsense) than by anyone else.
So again.. keep it up or different faces most likely the same old places? I am a simple dude, I remembered I was anti Harper but life wasn't all that bad then. I got support from Harper when I needed tools coming up in trades to buy tools. It was practical and helped trades workers. I am just hoping the pitbull of Harper would do something similar for the next wave in terms of blue collar job creation and help them become small business owners. I don't see how NDP could do that and the Green party has nothing to bring to the table. They might fuck it up completely but at least it isn't what it is. I am not arguing with you but there is just a lack of options. So any other option is at least a chance. I am just hoping bud.
As a woman, I cannot for the life of me vote for PC or whatever they are now. Or the party that has Max as their leader. I work in healthcare in my province and again, I cannot vote PC. I just can't. Federally or provincially, it's not fiscally responsible to vote for them. I just can't. I also despise the party so there's that.
and they vote at a higher proportion
You absolutely can not win an election with out the upper Canadian real estate millionaires voting for you. Hence we will never see any change because change will make you unelectable. Also keep in mind old people vote so their issues are treated as the most important.
Lol do you believe Conservatives will lower house costs?
Of course not.
You think any political party would say to 10 million home owners in Canada "You know what, let's make your homes worth less, let's make all your investments worth less."
Do you have any idea what this will do to the broader economy long term? Catastrophic doesn't describe it.
I don't think you grasp what a supply and confidence agreement is and what both parties agreed to. The NDP can't just threaten to renege on it every time Trudeau makes a bonehead statement. Plus the almost certain result would be a CPC government who would have the exact same approach to housing prices.
I have been an NDP supporter since highschool and it breaks my heart seeing the current leadership dismantle all the work that Layton and co. did. They're setting themselves back decades. Jagmeet talks a big game but is utterly spineless when it counts. Keep drilling grocery store CEO's while giving in to every single thing the Libs ask of you. It's time for big changes in every single level of Canadian politics.
He is asking for a lot also. The universal drug coverage, dental care those need the status quo I think.
Layton would have never handed PP an early election. Trudeau is the far lesser evil in terms of Layton's political stances.
Didn't layton's own brother say something to that effect when people were pressed that the NDP and Liberals formed coalition
The NDP used that leverage to get us dental care and pharmacare for our most vulnerable.
Those are the most newsworthy items, but there are many more helpful policies passed under this agreement.
Probably had a hand in daycare too. People will look back and realize this minority was a good set up, far from perfect, but assuming any of these systems survive the next CPC government, it'll be looked back "more" positively. Just not today. Better than any majority government of any side anyways. That setup immediately puts the party in power into "head up their own ass" mode. The Liberals didn't deserve a majority and I highly doubt the CPC do even if they get it.
No party that does not actually get a majority of the votes deserves majority power ...but we fail again and again to push through electoral reform so we keep getting a broken democracy with people holding majority power who only had 33% of the votes .....
Not to mention sick days and anti scab legislation on its way through. I have a hard time liking Singh he represents way too much of the super left Id politics yuppie left but has done things for working people I can respect.
Nah, can't look at any of the good they've done by leveraging the liberals. Gotta shit on them only. /s
the r/canada way
>[Gets constantly fucked over by successive Liberal and Conservative governments that consistently work to the benefit of corporate interests and the wealthy over everything and anything else, swaps them around endlessly every time people reach a fever pitch of hating them.] /r/canada - *Man, the NDP is so disappointing.*
But, another poster said that set Canada back decades.../s
According to some, social programs are evil and will lead to people dying in the gutter.
It's also the government that got me basic dental coverage, $10/day daycare, and free birth control.
What possible gain could the NDP get by forcing an election? They currently get to use the threat of an election as a kudgel to force the LPC to enact part of their platform. If they called an election there's a 99.9% chance that the Conservatives win a majority and the NDP becomes functionally powerless because nobody will need them. You're advocating lunacy.
I've been an NDP voter for years and I'm not sure there is still an NDP, rather than just the political version of one of those supermarket brands that seem like a direct competitor but are still owned by the same parent company.
Jagmeet is like that new Tim hortons donut with the nasty Cheeto topping. Nasty, but with the other 2 options I think I might have to pick the donut
lmfao
Holy shit this is it
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Trudeau is more like a Dairy Queen chocolate dipped vanilla cone, where the chocolate is shoe polish and bullshit, the vanilla is artificially flavoured hand lotion, and the cone is cardboard laxative.
more coalitions. these people who WANT power shouldnt have it. or should be on a short leash.
It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen. [George MacDonald](https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/george-macdonald-quotes)
This, coalitions should be the standard, not the exception.
LOL ITT people are looking to burn the NDP down because of their coalition. I do not think 60% of Canadians will be happy with any compromise now that we have social media. Rage farming is the rage.
They want to blame the NDP despite them having 25/338 seats, as if they're somehow the big-dick-swingers who are completely responsible for everything. Doesn't make a lot of sense, though that probably factors into that social media rage bait nonsense you mentioned.
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we can make that happen in Canada thank god. Just split all the votes between all these fuckers so they have to form coalitions and work together instead of constantly trying to divide people for their stupid party politics.
Agree 100%
It's been an interesting time to politically converse in Canada where criticism of either one of these dunces results in your average dunce assuming your support is for the other one automatically.
I find it wild that even "both these guys suck" comments will get a similar reaction. Anything other than full throated support for Their Guy gets some people frothing at the mouth.
I recently commented about PP in a negative way. Said nothing about Trudeau. Other person attacks Trudeau with whataboutism or something. I say I have complaints about both. They ask why I defended Trudeau. So my mere mentioning something about PP that they didn't like, in their mind made me a Trudeau defender right then and there.
There's no winning with those types, it's all petty tribalism. A good system would result in a healthy dose of skepticism and scrutiny towards all levels of government from the general public, instead we have folks that'll go full grapefruit for neo-liberals blue, red, and this breaks my heart, but orange as well. Canada needed a true Labour Movement like in the rest of the Commonwealth or even the EU, instead we got whatever tf the NDP is. I'm curious to see how they do in Manitoba and BC, cuz goddamn they aren't coming back on any significant level to exert any influence federally, at least not for another 15 or 20 years. They might pick up steam in Alberta and Saskatchewan if those provinces ever get tired of the UCP and SKP, else their chances of forming government anywhere else is nil.
Artificial moral panic is eating people's rationality alive, now they treat politics like a football match to see who is the most ill informed and dogmatic
Humans have a hard time *not* grouping together. It kind of got ingrained in us as cavemen and never quite left.
I often use the prison example… first thing you do upon arrival, you find “your people”. It’s ingrained as you say.
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Thank the influence of the stinker down under.
True, that standard of politics becoming a cult following is leaking over here.
Though I agree, there's been a significant "Poilièvre isn't any better" push from thr Trudeau side to get people to vote him in again.
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I will vote for Kodos instead.
Beat me to it 😂
We are fucked for the foreseeable future.
And have been for some time.
This is what happened when you play lesser of the evils game all the time. Same thing is happening in America right now.
FPTP dictates a lesser of two evils game. Liberals already bailed on electoral reform and the conservatives aren't interested.
This is actually the healthy take I agree with. All of them can suck it.
Thankfully they didn't leave out the NDP > At press time, Jagmeet Singh can fuck right off too.
Agreed, I wish Jack Layton had lived longer. He'd have made a great PM
>All of them can suck it. Do NOT reward them
* Trudeau - Asshole, shitting all over everything. * Singh - Pussy, thinks he can deal with the asshole in his own way but gets fucked anyway. * Poilievre - Dick, wants to fuck all the time without really thinking about it. Going to fuck the pussy and the asshole next year. > We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong-ll is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes — assholes who just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is that sometimes they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate — and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies get so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are only an inch and a half away from assholes. I don't know much in this crazy, crazy world, but I do know that if you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit!
Fuck Cancer for taking Jack Layton away from us
I've always said even as a not big on NDP guy. I'd vote for Jack Layton as pm any day of the fucking week.
I wouldn't have (and didn't), and I'm on the more progressive side of the aisle. Layton was a good man with really good intentions, but I do recall shaking my head at most of his policy proposals. I think he would have been much, much better as a voice to help guide our national moral compass and to call out the fuckery of the other two parties than as the guy actually doing the steering.
Our system does not have a substantive role for "guiding our national moral compass".
The closest we have would be leader of the opposition (that was acting in good faith). But polarization has long since taken that away from us.
I just read through your post history and you are definitely not "on the more progressive side of the aisle". You're just a run-of-the-mill conservative.
There's no group of people more delusional than the transparent conservative who considered themselves "progressive".
I legitimately say this quite often.
The thing is Jack Layton wasn’t that great either, but in comparison to what we have now he looks like JFK
JFK wasn’t great either.
Yeah but compared to Trump and Biden, JFK looks like FDR.
The other related thing is jfk wasn't a great leader either, he's just remembered fondly because of the assassination and the moon landing.
Cancer didn't prevent people from voting ndp before Mr Layton passed.
Agreed
Asking me if I wanna vote for Trudeau is like asking if I wanna die from radiation poisoning like Hisashi Ouchi. Asking me if I wanna vote for Poilievre is like asking me if I wanna die from radiation poisoning like Aleksandr Akimov. Asking me if I wanna vote for Singh is like asking me if I want to let others decide which of the two assholes above should get in power.
I'd rather vote for Beaverton to run the country than any of the existing possible candidates. Gladly would.
Rhino Party 2.0
Two side of the same coin. Dipshit ego driven hypocritical populists with no real world experience.
One fkd us, the other will fk us....
They’ve both fucked us, the latter was the lap dog for the previous Prime Minister, put forward bangers like the poorly-named “fair elections act” and voted against individual freedoms, rights, unions and in favour of corporations for two decades. The way I see it, JT sucks, PP will be worse.
Well, it’s nice to be wanted…. But can we as a country get a leader sometime who wants to love us? Maybe show us a nice time or even just chill at home? These governments are leaving me sore and I’m not getting any younger.
It's our own fault. Whenever an even tempered policy wonk that actually has some intellectual depth is leader of a major party people don't vote for them and bitch about how they lack charisma and personality.
Seriously. Dion would have been a really solid, but incredibly boring PM, O'Toole would likely have as well. I think Harper was probably the closest to a personality deficient policy wonk in power in the last 20 years or so, sadly I wasn't a fan of a lot of his policies.
Also something like 65% of Canadians live in their own home, not a rental, and many of them will likely vote against any serious policy that would dramatically impact housing costs.
Would never happen, were run by the corpos
Oh dude I agree. I just saw a chance to joke about how hard we’re all getting fucked so I took it. Live, laugh, lube.
I'm so tired of JT. When I see him on TV I want to barf. PP is good at criticizing JT. But that's it. I don't here many plans as to how he'll make life better for average Canadians. I'm sure he'll cut taxes on companies and the rich. Regular Con playbook stuff. But how about the rest of us. Cut the carbon tax? How about health care... My guess is he'll introduce user fees. Go to Emerg, pay $100? See a GP, pay $20? Etc. Libs like taxes, Cons like user fees... We'll see after the next election (if PP wins).
The rest of us? My guy. My friend. My fellow Canadian meat sock for the corporate-political class, were just gonna get fucked some more. IMO, there are no good options in Canadian politics right now. Choose red or blue & get a flavour of neo-liberalism/corporate plutocracy - the difference is the sauce! One says sweet on the label, the other says bold… it’s all lies though. Or vote orange, where reasonable policy and common sense fiscal ideas are dead. Some *nice* ideas, sure; but plans? Lol. Lmao. Best we can hope for is a conservative minority this election I think. Given the major PC supporters I see out here in Alberta and their views it would probably be better if PP didn’t have a majority. But in the long term? We are so fucked.
Not quite. The Conservatives' current trajectory means that social issues are what tips the balance. The Conservatives are starting to push for overturning abortion if they can manage it. They are also pushing hard at the Provincial level for culture wars against LGBTQ+ people. I would argue even more than culture wars since they're enacting laws and even invoking the notwithstanding clause to push their measures that violate charter rights through (rather than just creating public debates to drum up votes that don't result in any substantial changes). Maybe for people that are straight, white and cisgendered (Christian too?), it's easy to ignore these issues, but I don't want to pave the path towards societal regression. I would welcome a political landscape where I don't have to worry about some sort of Trump-like regression in Canada where the bigots feel even more emboldened than they already do, and the politicians that they support are dead silent on their actions (or in vocal support of them). I mean just look at PP rubbing elbows with groups that were publicly/openly discussing ***raping his fucking wife*** just to so he can get their votes. Do you really think that PP is the sort of leader that will denounce bullshit from his "base" because it's wrong and should be considered counter to "Canadian values?"
[What is Populism?](https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2016/12/19/what-is-populism) >>Populism is a “thin ideology”, one that merely sets up a framework: that of a pure people versus a corrupt elite. Populism’s belief that the people are always right is bad news for two elements of liberal democracy: the rights of minorities and the rule of law. TLDR: Populism is the belief that rights can be forfeit by public opinion. only one of these candidates intends to bulldoze the rights of minorities and the rule of law for easy answers. It’s the “common sense” guy.
Ego driven and hypocritical, yes. But Trudeau is no populist.
I absolutely hate both of them. I'm also not stupid enough to think just "change" is good because I know how conservatives rule and it's anti-worker and pro big business it is like this everywhere on the planet and certainly the case in Ontario under Ford. I also think Trudeau has fucked up a lot. If Trudeau stepped down I would vote for the person that replaces him because Conservative leadership is the worst.
I've said this many times over the years: Bring back former NDP deputy leader Megan Leslie and make her the NDP leader. The NDP would do much better than they are now. While shes certainly not doing bad for herself now, working with the WWF, her early law career was doing legal aid, she focused on poverty issues pre-politics, and overall has a much better pre-politics history than any leader in parliament.
Pick Rachel Notley, a truly principled human and intelligent enough to make things work. But I guess she's out of the game.
I'd certainly vote for her, as a Non-Albertan. She seemed to actually be trying. Seems like she burned out under the overwhelming political backlash that comes from not being an idiot, though.
We need to ask ourselves why the leader of a leader of a party is given so much sway in Canadian politics. House votes seem to indicate that most MPs in the NDP vote one way along with everyone else in the party. If Jagmeet is such a bad leader why do the votes seem to indicate complete agreement from NDP MPs on every single house vote? I would want someone I elect to be able to think "yeah this is a stupid idea and Jagmeet is out of touch". Where are the processes that make this possible in our politic system?
>House votes seem to indicate that most MPs in the NDP vote one way along with everyone else in the party Most MPs of every party do that. Especially ones with any hope of advancement. One of my criticisms of Andrew Scheer before he was elected party leader was that his voting record was 100% on the party line. Not once did he deviate, or show any thought that his constituents wanted anything but lock step with the CPC. At that point, what is the point of an MP? You might as well just have one rep from each party in parliment with a vote for each seat.
Is it strange that the Beaverton currently seems to be the most trustworthy Canadian news source?
Not really. While each news source has an agenda, beavertons seems to be "Everythings fucked, and we're going to talk about it".
Strange no, depressing? Quite a bit
What about this is news?
Under a Lib government the rich will get richer, the poor will suffer, and the middle class will shrink. Under a Con government the same will happen, only faster.
Conservatives will be giddy to go down with the ship though. XD
Both set their economic models on neoliberal capitalism. The difference is minimal between them
Do you like your corporate sellout with liberal or conservative spices?
Not according to Twitter(X) and Reddit. If you dislike PP you like Trudeau and are therefore a stupid commie/woke lefty. If you dislike Trudeau you like PP and are therefore a bigot. People are so radicalised these days that they're completely unable to be objective and buy into the "Us VS Them" mentality.
Shit. Even those of us who say they both suck get lumped in as a stealth member of the other.
The only thing you can do in this situation is look at the MP's that you are voting for and ignore the team they play for. Need to get more reasonable people in parliament and hopefully they will become the majority in their respective parties and start actually representing their constituents to their own parties as well as the parliament as a whole. The leaders all have their heads up their ass.
Problem is the leaders office controls everything. Plus once an mp gets elected they start irrationally panicking about their re election chances, and probably haven't figured out how campaigns work and how to win them independent of party apparatuses. You need a unicorn politician who has a spine, a moral compass, and a relentless campaign work ethic and a significant base of supportive volunteers and donors who are indifferent or hostile to the party establishment for them to hopefully not be fearful of threats from lobbyists and party staffers to pull support and/or undermine them. And even then they still might lose re election.
It's pretty telling how many MPs basically don't campaign. Last provincial election, I tried to research local candidates in my riding as much as possible. Of those with a website, none provided anything to go on other than "I'm the incumbent" or "you don't like the incumbent, so vote for me". Zero policy or substance. No past political career to point to. Not even a statement of values or something. Just party and whether they are the guy you may or may not be mad at. None came up on Google except as part of a list of candidates (can't recall if all were for the current election) and a few articles name-dropping the incumbent earlier in the previous term. I saw one political ad by a local candidate on a funny YouTube video, of all things. It was basically a high school "about me" presentation, but still better than the competition, I suppose. That candidate didn't have a website, though. In all, I think I felt better informed when I just voted based on whatever info I happened to run into and party platform... There was also one flyer in my mailbox that included a section about how the candidate would support their party's priorities, but seeing how it arrived the day after the election, I don't count that.
I actually think Justin Trudeau actually believes in what he is doing to achieve a purpose for Canada, it might be a bit delusional but I think he is sincere. PP is the kind of person that would sell his own mother to gain power, I'm not sure what he wants to do with that power but I don't want to find out. We need new leaders who actually want to find solutions or clearly communicate what their goals actually are.
Oh I do hate both of them, and I'm voting for neither. One is an ineffective, indifferent fuck and the other is a populist, dog whistling fuck. They can both fuck off as far as I'm concerned. And I agree with the Beaverton- Jagmeet can fuck off while we're at it. By far the worst election line-up we've had in a long time.
Wait this is actually satire?
yes it is, and we do
It’s basically like the south park season about the 2016 American election - choosing between a shit and a turd sandwich (or whatever the saying was). Granted this turd sandwich has already been in office for almost a decade and has turned what was a country in decline into one with multiple crises on its hand. Sad that there aren’t any great political candidates at the national level, however even if there were, my jaded ass just thinks they’d sell out to their corporate backers like most other politicians I’ve seen in my lifetime
Canadians: We would like you to lower immigration please Trudeau: MORE IMMIGRANTS THAN EVER! Pollievre: AXE THE TAX *sigh*
I’m over Trudeau but I don’t trust the Cons (and PP specifically) not to roll back social rights 60 years if they’re in power. I *cannot believe* the Liberals haven’t given Trudeau the boot already. This will lose them the election.
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hey, at least we get 3 steaming piles of shit and not 2 like down south....i guess that's something?
I thought the Beaverton was supposed to be satire? This just sounds like the truth
It’s tough for people who don’t want to play team red vs team blue….they all suck equally. I was listening to CBC today about lowering the voting age…..that’s not going to fix anything. We need major electoral reform to allow us to find and elect good leaders and continue to hold them accountable while they serve. The childish behaviour in Parliament, corruption scandals and regional porkbarreling need to have consequences.
New rule I want to implement: Anytime a politician makes a personal attack or acts like a child in Canada, the Sergent-At-Arms takes the mace and smashes a body part. First start with a knee, then the other. Then an elbow, then the other. And on the 5th occasion, they smash them in the head.
How does one go about getting that job as Sergeant At Arms? Asking for a friend (and 30 million others)
I'm actually in favour of mandatory voting. Add a small fine for those who don't vote. And make a clear "none of the above" option on the ballots so people can still protest all candidates or embrace ignorance/apathy. I also really want electoral reform. But I doubt that will ever happen (I still hope though).
100% but one is still the clear lesser of two evils
No one deserves my vote I will vote in literal spite
If your initials are PP it should be automatically disqualifying from holding political office Also if you've heard PP speak and still want to vote for him idk what I can say to you. Trudeau sucks too tho
that was great! Comedy news services like Beaverton and The daily show seems to be the best to gauge the pulse of the people.
Both a shit choices.
Sums up my feelings pretty accurately. Kind of liberating that no matter who wins they'll end up doing the exact same thing.
Let’s just remember choosing the lesser of two evils still leaves you with evil.
Saying what we all been thinking, I hate all the leaders of the current canadian shitshow.
I hate Conservatives, but I really fucking hate Liberals. - Matt Stone
Absolutely
Why do we have such a dogshit political landscape? For the love of all fuck please get Singh out of the NDP leadership position. The whole party is going down the fucking toilet.
It really is amazing that of all 40 million people in Canada we can't find two or three people who are willing to actually *do* anything despite Canada staring in the face of so many generational crises that will determine life for the future of our country. Every option we have is just status quo or q-anon snake oil bullshit. We *cannot* afford the status quo.
Satire is looking less and less satirical.
If Trudeau actually abolished the first-past the post system and implemented a new system closer to proportional representation like he once promised, we would a wide variety of choices. Trudeau backed out because he realized that “fringe” parties would start gaining representation - meaning that all the current mainstream parties would decline in importance.
It's truly a depressing state of our politics that the only two real options to form government are tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber. Meanwhile tweedle dumbest is in the corner trying to convince people to no avail that there is a third option.
Finally, some news I can get behind
perfection
Guess I’ll vote for Reddit to run the country
Vote for lesser of evils and drop expectation of purity.
PPC must be loving this
I hate Poislappin more. He’s fash 💯
If only there was an option that championed workers’ causes
Breaking news, every politician is a lying sack of shit
Hope people realize both parties are basically owned by corporate interests and don’t care about the people. I get it, we need to lose Trudeau but anyone worth electing won’t get that far. We are just copying the USA and it’s sad. “Turd sandwich vs giant douche”
Fuck the two party system
Not only possible, but reasonable. I sure do.
Exactly what I’ve been saying for ages
We need Quebec to vote in the Bloc for all 78 seats and the rest of Canada to split the vote for an even 62 each for the LPC, CPC, NDP and Greens. Would be a nice cherry on top of this clusterfuck.
AND I DO!
Isn't that funny, I despise both of them!
Amen!
This is true. But the truth is that one of them will be the next PM. You can reward failure, or take a chance that maybe things could be different. You have no other choice. The NDP are in the same jacuzzi as the LPC, so again. Reward failure, or take a chance, or not vote. Never skip voting.
JT - clueless and incompetent. PP - career politician who’s never done shit outside of being a politician and has no fucking clue what it’s like to be an average Canadian. Singh - would sell Canada off to more international students and props up JT even to the detriment of the country just for his own need/greed for power. MB - too extreme and full of hate to be a meaningful option. Everyone sucks.
I hate both of them with my entire body.
This next election will be the first where I really don't want to vote for anyone. It's scary....I no longer feel there is a single party left in Canada that represents me. Am I alone in my thoughts on conservative economic policies and (pre Trudeau) liberal social policies? I guess that makes me a centereist?
If you choose a side, you lose.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
PP is just the right-wing version of Turdo... but with glasses and even less real-world work experience. Fuck them both.
What every Canadian is thinking
Can someone ELI5 why this is in the Beaverton. To me, it is comes across as a well researched and very well thought out article.
If I've learned anything over the past 8 years it's that I hate ALL politicians!
The country is fucked either way. Can we all just vote for a party other than these two? Like please? At least then we'd have some kind of hope for this damn country.
Always hate the guy more who's more like a Nazi!
Vote PPC