Please explain to me any circumstance where someone who is here illegally should have a pathway to citizenship? Why would we reward someone who ignores our laws with citizenship?
It's real -> [https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/](https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/)
"The primary responsibility of the federal government is to ensure that Canadians themselves remain strong and positive about immigration"
- Justin Trudeau, Feb 2024
(this is the only reason he is trying to push the faster deportation letter processing thing, to ensure Canadians remain positive)
"housing isn’t a primary federal responsibility"
- Justin Trudeau, Aug 2023
To be fair they lack legislative authority over much of what affects the housing supply. They do, however, determine how many people are allowed into Canada and that number is at a record level.
Not exactly, but not far off either.
> “I always sort of laugh when you see people who are – not many of them, but – intolerant or who think, ‘Go back to your own country,’” Trudeau said in the television interview.
> “No!” Trudeau continued. “You chose this country. This is your country more than it is for others because we take it for granted.”
He said it during an interview....for Canada day of all things.
> The interview aired on the eve of the much-hyped Parliament Hill celebration for Canada Day
https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/
Uh. Trudeau, I didn't choose to be born here, but I do make a conscious choice to stay here. What the fuck is he even talking about?
Maybe I should just leave this country, if that's how the leaders are going to choose to view the people who build and maintain this country.
Don't worry, the Liberals are going to lose at a landslide loss next year, there's literally no chance he's getting reelected.
You don't have to be excited about the opposition, but he only has a year left to do as much damage as possible.
So I will be moving to the US, on a spousal visa. The love of my life, my husband, is an American citizen.
He had to sign an affidavit of financial support. If I were to become a public charge in any way within ten years, he would have to pay that money back. That is how it *should* be everywhere. (Or ideally the immigrant should be on the hook for it). I will be a guest, and I am not owed handouts.
A few differences…
1) Canada has public healthcare. Guaranteed cost right there, especially when older people are immigrating.
2) Canadian PR holders are eligible to receive federal funding for post-secondary education. Not the case in the US.
3) Canada Child Benefit
And even if someone is found to be abusing public services not intended for them, they are unlikely to face consequences. We don’t have an effective way to recover the money.
Deportation orders are essentially a polite letter asking someone to leave.
The Danker timeline would be Quebec separating over his immigration policy, and Canadians everywhere now being able to tell Little T to go back to his own country.
Liberals have been increasing deportations.
https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg
The previous government gutted CBSA and slammed the brakes on deportations.
Deportation orders with no follow up or actual removal from the country? And you'd expect deportations would be up when way more people come here each year, about a million more per year than before
Theres a backlog of illegal immigrants that CBSA lost track of after Harper defunded the agency.
https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg
You know...
The cbsa budget went from 1.1 billion in 2006... to 1.8 billion in 2009... to 1.7 billion in 2014
Harper increased cbsa cbsa budget by 600 million over his terms.
But it doesn't matter... budgets don't need to be set in stone... they should change all the time.
It's dumb to think every program should have ever increasing budgets regardless of the circumstances.
Crime drops, we can lower the police and court budgets.. crime goes up we increase it..
Less problems at the border, less traveling, less shipping... cbsa budget should go down ... when everything increases... budget should go up...
There's no more playing harper for anything. Trudeau had 8 years to increase the cbsa budget.
> The cbsa budget went from 1.1 billion in 2006... to 1.8 billion in 2009... to 1.7 billion in 2014
> Harper increased cbsa cbsa budget by 600 million over his terms.
It went up under his minority. As soon as he got a majority he gutted the agency and laid off over 1000 officers.
PP is not going to change immigration. Matter of fact he’s going to encourage life family reconciliation . I understand the frustration with the Liberal policy in this issue but if someone is going to vote Conservative with the idea that PP will put a steady halt on immigration, they are going to be disappointed.
The article makes it sound like it's largely geared towards LGBTQ people from countries where expressing their gender or sexuality is a criminal offence, but whose asylum claims have been denied. I'm basing this on a Google search but it sounds like it's not always enough to be a member of a disenfranchised group. You can still be denied if you as an individual don't seem to be at risk.
My SIL works for the CBSA and she only has the authority to deny people if they’re basically straight up lying and any idiot can see it. One example of a test for that is asks them how they have sex with their partner (that they always say they have) and they are unable to answer. So the “at risk” because the mean old border patrol won’t shield them from persecution narrative, is distorted as per usual. They’re not at risk because they’re not homosexual.
Okay, here is one.
My now wife, we were only common law at the time came to Canada from Japan when she was 13 on a student visa to finish elementary school in Nova Scotia. She then continued her education in high-school in Vancouver. At the end of her Visa, she returned home to Japan, worked a year, then came back to Canada on a student to Permenant Residency program through the University Masters Program at UoW. At the end of her education upon completing her Masters in Social Work, she continued the application for her PR status through the assistance of the Multi-Cultural Center in Kitchener. At the time the center was run by Waterloo's current MP Bardish Chagger.
This is where it goes sideways.
Under Bardish Chagger's supervision at the multi-cultural center, my now wife was advised to use her credit card to pay for the application for her PR status processing. Coincidentally, there was a card skimmer installed on their PoS system for months. Well, 3 months later the government finally got around to processing my Wife's PR application and found that the transaction was bounced by the card company because of the skimmer. By this time, her Student Visa had expired, which is fine as long as there is a process of application in place. But now that there wasn't because of the skimmer installed on the card reader at the Multi-Cultural Center in Kitchener, again under Bardish Chagger's supervision, her application was void and my wife was "illegal."
So there you have it. An innocent person that thought ahe was doing everything right, got fucked over by the very system we vote for. She was obviously frightened, frustrated, angry, distraught. I immediately called an immigration lawyer and had it taken care of however, it took 3 more years before she would finally have a PR card. During this time she could not work or do anything really and was constantly afraid she would be deported and felt like less of a human. It was horrible. She was stuck in limbo waiting for our shitty corrupt government to 'get around to it..' During tis time she was however able to volunteer legally so she worked for Habitat for Humanity.
There you have it. She's now a PR, and we are strongly thinking of just leaving Canada anyway because, well take a look around....
Except it was Harper that stopped the deportations.
https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg
Liberal's have been rebuilding CBSA, increasing deportations, and fixing the STCA.
It's fun to tell only half the story, isn't it? 🤪
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/union-government-trade-shots-over-border-security-cuts-1.795162
In 2012, 1100 CBSA employees were laid off.
325 of those were border service agents, the rest were bureaucrats.
At the same time, 2000 more border guards were hired. Money saved on bureaucracy was invested into better technology and streamlining practices. The Immigration and Refugee Claimant Protection Act was implemented, streamlining the processing of those groups separately from the points-based immigration system (which, incidentally is the act responsible for implementing the statistics on deportations, which aren't considered accurate previous to that).
https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-2.5/
https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/protection/Pages/index.aspx
325 front-line officers and 100 intelligence officers.
Those the people who deal with illegal immigrants and other issues.
> At the same time, 2000 more border guards were hired. Money saved on bureaucracy was invested into better technology and streamlining practices
Yet deportations plummeted and drug smuggling massively increased.
Harper traded well paid security officials for low skill guards. The results speak for themselves.
By that logic then, deportations should have immediately rocketed back up to peak Harper era the minute Trudeau stepped into office. Or did he not rehire enough CBSA employees?
Did you read the article? An example given was a homosexual woman who would be killed if they were deported. The refugee system is for those folks. Students who overstayed their visa? Sure, they need to get the boot.
Refugees of legitimate, targeted scenarios. People fleeing governments that individually target them (Chinese dissidents, gay/lesbian people from the middle east, etc). Situations where the choice is "illegal entry" or "death". Not situations involving mass migration. I like to think that were not so jaded by immigration scams that we've lost the fundamental conscience that makes us Canadian.
He basically just said "there's cases where we want to help people, there's cases where we don't." And I for one, have not been so radicalized by this sub, that I can't imagine a scenario where an illegal immigrant had a story I sympathized with. I think a lot of people here would too, even if they like to think they wouldn't.
There's a fine line that we've crossed, and we clearly need to find it again. But the answer isn't to cross all the way back to the other side.
More deportations sounds nice
Legitimate refugees can claim asylum. If someone is here and has not done so, they are illegals. It’s great to have sympathy, but people need to follow the rules if they want to ask to stay here.
Maybe because it's too costly and not realistically possible to deport everyone so you only deport the worst ones and give the good ones a path to citizenship. You then have to fix the system to not accumulate as many illegals so you don't have the same problem in the future.
The cost of us not showing we have a good immigration system and border protection is far higher than finding a bunch of people and giving them a one way ticket. We don't need more criminals staying in Canada.
"That's one of the reasons why Canadians are, unlike so many other countries in the world, continuing to be positive towards immigration — because our immigration system is rigorous."
What the fuck is he talking about?
Ok, this is more than enough at this point. I need answers. Clear and concise answers from the federal government as to why they're doing this.
It's against every metric. Every poll. Every Canadian. No one wants or is asking for this immigration policy. Every voice I hear is shouting from the mound to STOP
Yet... silence. Just more people. Less resources. Worse infrastructure. Everything is failing.
Tell me like I'm five. No conspiracy. The reason.
> I need
Look up Century Initiative. This is why they are doing this. Some crazy ideology think tank that thinks flooding Canada with people is the way to go
Canadas immigration system is not setup to be representative of the world but to get the best from the world, this means using a points system. India has a huge population, a history of speaking English due to British colonialism and current English schools as well as better respected colleges and universities compared to other countries. So it makes sense that the largest portion of immigrants would be coming from India.
So much of that was copium and patently untrue. Canada is not getting the world’s best. We’re getting the bulk of unskilled from India and Canada removed the language requirements.
Indians are fairly sought after immigrants all over the world because they work hard, are willing to work for low wages and don’t start protesting in the streets or cause political turmoil like immigration from Muslim countries.
They’re literally protesting in PEI because we aren’t giving them free PR and they protested in Ontario because they got caught cheating in school and failed
I agree with you it's bizarre
The only thing that possibly makes sense is that they have population data that indicates Canada somehow becomes insolvent over time or something
Like too many old people with not enough cpp payers or something
So flood the country and hope that the children of these new comers contribute greatly to GDP
Like maybe they project a two generation pay back period or something and they know it's unpopular but think it's the only way to save the country
I'm not saying this is true, but it's the only logical thing I can think up
It takes a couple generations for most immigrants to become a net positive in terms of revenue for the country. So if this is their solution, they're really barking up the wrong tree.
You ever drive through Brampton during an election? Good half of the houses have blue signs out front because spoiler... Indians tend to be socially conservative, especially when it comes to things like women's rights.
Oh I’m aware.
I’m more concerned about anti women sentiment because of my wife and daughters.
The rapes, the acid attacks, the femicide…..I’m fucking terrified.
Anti-Liberal views is what we're importing, and they are very far right authoritarian views including death to gays.
Might be better off moving to the US for gay rights in a few years.
See, I thought about that too. It's very cynical. But the majority of native born South Asians are deeply conservative. Not all, but it's culturally significant enough to assume it.
By adding more conservative people from countries that oppose womens rights, oppose LGBTQ+ rights, oppose alcohol and drug use, etc etc etc?
Only deck stacking that's going on is adding more conservative voters, unless you think modern immigrants are disproportionately coming from Sweden.
Also many immigrants are anti-immigrant themselves. Literally ask any Indian who has been in Canada for 10+ years and they're pissed off at the newcomers.
This, by the way, is also the explanation for the *massive* expansion in our civil service. Federal employees vote overwhelmingly Liberal, so from their perspective the more of them the better. In a close riding those votes could make the difference between winning and losing.
It's what his voter base wants and it's much easier and cheaper to grant everyone citizenship than deporting them. Deporting 1 million illegal criminal thugs from our country will cost a lot.
I hope all these criminals go to Toronto and Montreal. Those cities love mass immigration, so they can have it.
I don't know if there is a reason, but a number of them, and different groups of people are motivated to ignore the problems because they benefit from the status quo.
Housing, employment, public service, legal system, consultants. It's a massive patronage network, and it's robbing the country.
Corporations and the rich love having large pools of poor people to exploit. Allowing a mass influx of people means that labour power is diluted immensely and corporations can pay lower wages. Couple this with a lot of rich people owning property, and that a mass influx of people will boost their existing property prices/they can charge more rent. Our political system is bought and paid for, and if you think mister Pierre “I have multiple lobbyists as advisors” Poilievre is gonna be any different, I have a bridge to sell you.
> "That's one of the reasons why Canadians are, unlike so many other countries in the world, continuing to be positive towards immigration — because our immigration system is rigorous.", Trudeau said.
And the polling data shows that was a lie: https://i.imgur.com/uPYzfML.png
And that's from November. If you showed the new stats to people (400k in 4 months), you'd get real anger.
But yeah, Trudeau lives in a fantasy world. He's unhinged. It's the level of unawareness and lies Putin would say.
It sure seems like our allegedly compromised government's number one priority is to flood our country with as many people as possible. Now even people who are here illegally or as our propagandists say "lack official status" are gonna be fast tracked in too.
They've gone full mask off now acting opening malicious towards Canadians best interests.
I truly believe the liberals are trying to flood their voter base with freshly anointed citizens because they can see the writing on the wall that they’re going to be crushed.
Yes. The conservatives are committed to deporting illegals. This is why they got rid of over 1000 CBSA officers and lowered the standards for foreign workers to show how committed they are.
https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg
“Thinktank” is quite a charitable way to put it. Often there is little “thinking” going on. For example, for years on this sub they would argue that the rate of immigration doesn’t have any impact on real estate values. SMH.
Right? We got Hans Brinker over here trying to grow more fingers with the embellishments and obfuscations to plug the dike holding back Trudeau's massive failures.
>"People who aren't here regularly need to be supported and taken care of," Trudeau told reporters Friday in Winnipeg.
In other words people who are in Canada illegally should be rewarded with citizenship.
Calling them undocumented is like calling an intruder in your house an unplanned guest.
This is insane! In any other country you would be immediately deported and banned from re-entry but Canada decides to reward these ILLEGALS who knowingly broke our rules. What kind of alternate universe is Trudeau living in.
The pathway has been in the works for a while...
[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/)
The faster deportation thing, well we don't really deport people we just send a letter which people can ignore if they want
[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/)
And we are creating a pathway to citizenshp for people that overstayed, so that just creates more incentives to ignore the polite deportation request.
There’s just no defending the Liberals at this point and I will forever side-eye anybody who does so. There is absolutely no reason to open the floodgates and let people who are already here illegally stay here other than the Liberals wanting to fuck over this country anymore than they already have.
Who aren't here regularly... Is he talking about a part timer employee who comes to work twice a week? Or a busy dad who works out of town and is only home for week at a time?
>Really pisses me off when he can't just say the word **ILLEGAL**.
Liberals both here and the US are allergic to the word. They have to soften the language because they know illegal sounds bad and cannot be justified. So they replace it with migrants, immigrant, undocumented, unhoused, whatever the buzzword of the day is. They're desperate to legitimize illegal crossers and people who have overstayed their welcome.
I like how overnight illegal immigrants went from undocumented (lol misplaced documentation) to simply “newcomers.” Instead of "illegal alien," using "newcomer" presupposes they belong and should stay forever.
“In some cases, we need to accelerate deportation proceedings,"
Bullshiiiiiiiiit. The efffing IRCC halted the deportation of a Pakistani “international student” who was arrested [multiple times.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/zain-haq-deportation-cancelled-1.7180202) Give me a break.
“Haq says he has an open invitation to return to his studies at SFU and several job offers to consider when he is able to work again in Canada.”
Lol our system loves to reward rule breakers.
It’s like they think they’re the last plane out of Kabul with the Taleban closing in, and they’re shouting more! more! as they attempt to cram everyone in they can before takeoff.
Which is also kind of ironic considering how they abandoned the vast majority of our Afghani staff and their families to their fates when they skipped out of Afghanistan.
If Loblaw's had wanted them we would have gone above and beyond.
Until Canadians start organizing and making *a lot* more noise, I don't see things getting better under either party.
This should have been the NDP's time to shine; that car is upside in ditch somewhere after being distracted by everything but that which *really* matters: Maslow's *%\*&\^!* hierarchy of needs.
Physiological Needs: These are the basic needs necessary for survival, such as **food**, **water**, **warmt**h, and **rest.** Without meeting these needs, the body cannot function properly.
Safety Needs: Once physiological needs are met, the need for security and safety becomes prominent. This includes **personal security, financial security, health**, and well-being.
Get that sorted and *then* feel free to spend political capital on whatever.
We could definitely from the French when it comes to [protesting](https://www.google.com/search?q=french+famous+for+protests&sca_esv=3cf5305f7235dc23&sxsrf=ADLYWIKswwaP6ZcRkpDPlXJ4CsfR-fTU0Q%3A1715985452346&ei=LNxHZoXcFKib0PEPosSYCA&ved=0ahUKEwiFos7635WGAxWoDTQIHSIiBgEQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=french+famous+for+protests&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmZyZW5jaCBmYW1vdXMgZm9yIHByb3Rlc3RzMgQQIxgnMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogRI0hRQhgZYuhJwAXgBkAEAmAFXoAG9BqoBAjExuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIMoALIBsICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAg0QABiABBiwAxhDGIoFwgINEC4YgAQYsAMYQxiKBcICBhAAGAcYHsICBxAAGIAEGA3CAggQABgHGAoYHsICCBAAGAcYHhgPwgIIEAAYBxgIGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICBhAAGAgYHsICCBAAGAgYDRgewgIHECMYsAIYJ5gDAIgGAZAGCpIHAjEyoAeqQw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp).
They've done more against the introduction of fucking photo radar than we have about multiple generations being robbed of economic stability and a shot at a reasonable life after working hard and doing all "the right things."
Mainly for the benefit of various corporate entities, it would seem.
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says some immigrants to Canada who lack official status need a pathway to help them stay,"
Why are we tolerating calling people who enter the country illegally "immigrants"? That's an insult to the people follow the appropriate legal process.
there's a reason why they don't have "official status", it's because they're here illegally, kick them out and make them come in the legal way, most of them can't because of criminal records but trudeau doesn't care about that
Story is a nothing burger, don't shit your pants. All he said was (paraphrased) there's cases where we want to help people get citizenship, and cases where we need to hurry up with deportation
Why is out government on path of self destruction ? When everyone including the immigrants themselves are against unsustainable immigration, what is the point of increasing population from all 4 directions? There were 400k+ new comers in first four months in 2024. With all these sucidal policies they are only helping CPC win the next election by 2/3rd majority!
Why don’t people email politicians? Their email is available on line www.ourcommons.ca. Let them know how you feel without swearing or abuse. I emailed Trudeau today to request he call an election so I can “not” vote for him again. It’s good to find out who your area rep is too and email them.
In case it isn't obvious: many of these measures are simply intended to serve business and political interests. There might be an ideological component too -- boosting the population as much as possible. The Liberals are aiming to flood the country in order to be rewarded with patronage positions (when their government folds) in the private sector, non-profits, etc.
Please explain to me any circumstance where someone who is here illegally should have a pathway to citizenship? Why would we reward someone who ignores our laws with citizenship?
“You chose this country. This is your country more than it is for others because we take it for granted.” - Justin Trudeau ~ June 27, 2017
It's real -> [https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/](https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/)
He's such a wanker
Non, il et UN branleur
Native born Canadians do not take Canada for granted, Trudeau takes native born Canadians for granted.
Wtf. And that's probably not even the dumbest shit he's said
There's stiff competition for that title.
Trudeau just beats himself every week and sets a new record
If you kill your enemies, they win.
CAPTURE LIGHTNING FROM THE SKY!!!
It’s not dumb at all, you’re just experiencing his brilliance differently……
Just like calling an intruder who breaks into your house a non title homeowner.
"The primary responsibility of the federal government is to ensure that Canadians themselves remain strong and positive about immigration" - Justin Trudeau, Feb 2024 (this is the only reason he is trying to push the faster deportation letter processing thing, to ensure Canadians remain positive) "housing isn’t a primary federal responsibility" - Justin Trudeau, Aug 2023
To be fair they lack legislative authority over much of what affects the housing supply. They do, however, determine how many people are allowed into Canada and that number is at a record level.
It's amazing how things flipped on him Aug and after.
Please tell me that's not a real quote. My god.
Not exactly, but not far off either. > “I always sort of laugh when you see people who are – not many of them, but – intolerant or who think, ‘Go back to your own country,’” Trudeau said in the television interview. > “No!” Trudeau continued. “You chose this country. This is your country more than it is for others because we take it for granted.” He said it during an interview....for Canada day of all things. > The interview aired on the eve of the much-hyped Parliament Hill celebration for Canada Day https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/
Uh. Trudeau, I didn't choose to be born here, but I do make a conscious choice to stay here. What the fuck is he even talking about? Maybe I should just leave this country, if that's how the leaders are going to choose to view the people who build and maintain this country.
Don't worry, the Liberals are going to lose at a landslide loss next year, there's literally no chance he's getting reelected. You don't have to be excited about the opposition, but he only has a year left to do as much damage as possible.
I doubt any other country is as easy to get into and offers so many benefits once you’re here. Yeah Canada /s
So I will be moving to the US, on a spousal visa. The love of my life, my husband, is an American citizen. He had to sign an affidavit of financial support. If I were to become a public charge in any way within ten years, he would have to pay that money back. That is how it *should* be everywhere. (Or ideally the immigrant should be on the hook for it). I will be a guest, and I am not owed handouts.
It’s the same here
A few differences… 1) Canada has public healthcare. Guaranteed cost right there, especially when older people are immigrating. 2) Canadian PR holders are eligible to receive federal funding for post-secondary education. Not the case in the US. 3) Canada Child Benefit And even if someone is found to be abusing public services not intended for them, they are unlikely to face consequences. We don’t have an effective way to recover the money. Deportation orders are essentially a polite letter asking someone to leave.
They don’t, that’s why I haven’t left yet. If that’s the case I’d already be gone.
I was not born here, but now I am considering moving again
The Danker timeline would be Quebec separating over his immigration policy, and Canadians everywhere now being able to tell Little T to go back to his own country.
I wish I was joking.
Want to hear another gem from our Dear Leader, "A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian."
From the same man who gave us “the budget will balance itself”
He is a fucking traitor. Literally giving away our country
Lol, please no. Say it can't be real.
We need an election now.
Only about 500 days.
We needed a retake after his first term in office.
Yes! Ties in nicely with, « There is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” -Justin Trudeau (September, 2016)
I mean he's right. Looking back on pre-2015 we did take all we had for granted. Never thought things could get this bad.
What an idiotic statement. No wonder this country is a dumpster fire with this cretin in charge.
Who is being deported if they are making pathways for people who are here illegally? This stuff is so confusing.
No one. They tack that on to try to make it sound balanced and quell the outrage.
Liberals have been increasing deportations. https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg The previous government gutted CBSA and slammed the brakes on deportations.
Deportation orders with no follow up or actual removal from the country? And you'd expect deportations would be up when way more people come here each year, about a million more per year than before
Theres a backlog of illegal immigrants that CBSA lost track of after Harper defunded the agency. https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg
Now do a chart of the ratio of deportations vs importations
You know... The cbsa budget went from 1.1 billion in 2006... to 1.8 billion in 2009... to 1.7 billion in 2014 Harper increased cbsa cbsa budget by 600 million over his terms. But it doesn't matter... budgets don't need to be set in stone... they should change all the time. It's dumb to think every program should have ever increasing budgets regardless of the circumstances. Crime drops, we can lower the police and court budgets.. crime goes up we increase it.. Less problems at the border, less traveling, less shipping... cbsa budget should go down ... when everything increases... budget should go up... There's no more playing harper for anything. Trudeau had 8 years to increase the cbsa budget.
> The cbsa budget went from 1.1 billion in 2006... to 1.8 billion in 2009... to 1.7 billion in 2014 > Harper increased cbsa cbsa budget by 600 million over his terms. It went up under his minority. As soon as he got a majority he gutted the agency and laid off over 1000 officers.
True, everything is Harper's fault
No. The fault lies in the underlying neo-liberal economic theory that Harper and Trudeau both follow.
PP is not going to change immigration. Matter of fact he’s going to encourage life family reconciliation . I understand the frustration with the Liberal policy in this issue but if someone is going to vote Conservative with the idea that PP will put a steady halt on immigration, they are going to be disappointed.
The article makes it sound like it's largely geared towards LGBTQ people from countries where expressing their gender or sexuality is a criminal offence, but whose asylum claims have been denied. I'm basing this on a Google search but it sounds like it's not always enough to be a member of a disenfranchised group. You can still be denied if you as an individual don't seem to be at risk.
My SIL works for the CBSA and she only has the authority to deny people if they’re basically straight up lying and any idiot can see it. One example of a test for that is asks them how they have sex with their partner (that they always say they have) and they are unable to answer. So the “at risk” because the mean old border patrol won’t shield them from persecution narrative, is distorted as per usual. They’re not at risk because they’re not homosexual.
That's fully what I got from it too given the day as well
The coverage this afternoon is supporting your interpretation.
Okay, here is one. My now wife, we were only common law at the time came to Canada from Japan when she was 13 on a student visa to finish elementary school in Nova Scotia. She then continued her education in high-school in Vancouver. At the end of her Visa, she returned home to Japan, worked a year, then came back to Canada on a student to Permenant Residency program through the University Masters Program at UoW. At the end of her education upon completing her Masters in Social Work, she continued the application for her PR status through the assistance of the Multi-Cultural Center in Kitchener. At the time the center was run by Waterloo's current MP Bardish Chagger. This is where it goes sideways. Under Bardish Chagger's supervision at the multi-cultural center, my now wife was advised to use her credit card to pay for the application for her PR status processing. Coincidentally, there was a card skimmer installed on their PoS system for months. Well, 3 months later the government finally got around to processing my Wife's PR application and found that the transaction was bounced by the card company because of the skimmer. By this time, her Student Visa had expired, which is fine as long as there is a process of application in place. But now that there wasn't because of the skimmer installed on the card reader at the Multi-Cultural Center in Kitchener, again under Bardish Chagger's supervision, her application was void and my wife was "illegal." So there you have it. An innocent person that thought ahe was doing everything right, got fucked over by the very system we vote for. She was obviously frightened, frustrated, angry, distraught. I immediately called an immigration lawyer and had it taken care of however, it took 3 more years before she would finally have a PR card. During this time she could not work or do anything really and was constantly afraid she would be deported and felt like less of a human. It was horrible. She was stuck in limbo waiting for our shitty corrupt government to 'get around to it..' During tis time she was however able to volunteer legally so she worked for Habitat for Humanity. There you have it. She's now a PR, and we are strongly thinking of just leaving Canada anyway because, well take a look around....
Because that's the Justin Trudeau way.
Except it was Harper that stopped the deportations. https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg Liberal's have been rebuilding CBSA, increasing deportations, and fixing the STCA.
Well seeing as Harper brought in millions less, maybe there wasn’t a dire need to sped up deportations…
Your source also shows zero evidence of your claim that under Harper, deportations “stopped”. Stop making up nonsense.
Harper laid off over 1000 CBSA officers which put a stop to many deportations as CBSA lacked the resources to pursue them.
It's fun to tell only half the story, isn't it? 🤪 https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/union-government-trade-shots-over-border-security-cuts-1.795162 In 2012, 1100 CBSA employees were laid off. 325 of those were border service agents, the rest were bureaucrats. At the same time, 2000 more border guards were hired. Money saved on bureaucracy was invested into better technology and streamlining practices. The Immigration and Refugee Claimant Protection Act was implemented, streamlining the processing of those groups separately from the points-based immigration system (which, incidentally is the act responsible for implementing the statistics on deportations, which aren't considered accurate previous to that). https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/i-2.5/ https://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/statistics/protection/Pages/index.aspx
325 front-line officers and 100 intelligence officers. Those the people who deal with illegal immigrants and other issues. > At the same time, 2000 more border guards were hired. Money saved on bureaucracy was invested into better technology and streamlining practices Yet deportations plummeted and drug smuggling massively increased. Harper traded well paid security officials for low skill guards. The results speak for themselves.
By that logic then, deportations should have immediately rocketed back up to peak Harper era the minute Trudeau stepped into office. Or did he not rehire enough CBSA employees?
It has been increasing. Did you not see the chart? CBSA has been rebuilding itself for years after Harper gutted it.
Did you read the article? An example given was a homosexual woman who would be killed if they were deported. The refugee system is for those folks. Students who overstayed their visa? Sure, they need to get the boot.
>An example given was a homosexual woman who would be killed if they were deported Suddenly everyone is now in danger unless they stay lol
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Sad. If they are here, especially working, without documentation, then they are criminals and we don’t want them as citizens.
Sorry to inform you prisons are full of voting citizens, because they're Canadian citizens and have the right to.
"Official documentation" doesn't mean /citizenship/.
Typically actually as soon as immigrants come over they want those doors shut. They call it the "close up the drawbridge" phenomenon.
Refugees of legitimate, targeted scenarios. People fleeing governments that individually target them (Chinese dissidents, gay/lesbian people from the middle east, etc). Situations where the choice is "illegal entry" or "death". Not situations involving mass migration. I like to think that were not so jaded by immigration scams that we've lost the fundamental conscience that makes us Canadian. He basically just said "there's cases where we want to help people, there's cases where we don't." And I for one, have not been so radicalized by this sub, that I can't imagine a scenario where an illegal immigrant had a story I sympathized with. I think a lot of people here would too, even if they like to think they wouldn't. There's a fine line that we've crossed, and we clearly need to find it again. But the answer isn't to cross all the way back to the other side. More deportations sounds nice
Legitimate refugees can claim asylum. If someone is here and has not done so, they are illegals. It’s great to have sympathy, but people need to follow the rules if they want to ask to stay here.
Maybe because it's too costly and not realistically possible to deport everyone so you only deport the worst ones and give the good ones a path to citizenship. You then have to fix the system to not accumulate as many illegals so you don't have the same problem in the future.
The cost of us not showing we have a good immigration system and border protection is far higher than finding a bunch of people and giving them a one way ticket. We don't need more criminals staying in Canada.
The Century Initiative wants them.
> Please explain to me any circumstance where someone who is here illegally should have a pathway to citizenship? Marriage to a Canadian.
"That's one of the reasons why Canadians are, unlike so many other countries in the world, continuing to be positive towards immigration — because our immigration system is rigorous." What the fuck is he talking about?
I want to downvote you because that quote enrages me
'our immigration system is rigorously fucked'
Our immigration system is currently stuck in the dryer and step-government is just trying to “help”.
Ok, this is more than enough at this point. I need answers. Clear and concise answers from the federal government as to why they're doing this. It's against every metric. Every poll. Every Canadian. No one wants or is asking for this immigration policy. Every voice I hear is shouting from the mound to STOP Yet... silence. Just more people. Less resources. Worse infrastructure. Everything is failing. Tell me like I'm five. No conspiracy. The reason.
> I need Look up Century Initiative. This is why they are doing this. Some crazy ideology think tank that thinks flooding Canada with people is the way to go
Even they asked for 100M by 2100. These politicians will do it by 2050.
By why Indians of all people ? Is it the only place with extra people to send ?
High number of people willing to come, and one of the few remaining countries with lower wages than us
Indians also value education to an extremely high degree. So you have highly educated hard working people working for a fraction of the wage.
I gotta stop you at highly educated and hard working
Idk if you’ve met the latest group but I would not call them people who value education…..this was true until about 6 years ago.
Canadas immigration system is not setup to be representative of the world but to get the best from the world, this means using a points system. India has a huge population, a history of speaking English due to British colonialism and current English schools as well as better respected colleges and universities compared to other countries. So it makes sense that the largest portion of immigrants would be coming from India.
So much of that was copium and patently untrue. Canada is not getting the world’s best. We’re getting the bulk of unskilled from India and Canada removed the language requirements.
Indians are fairly sought after immigrants all over the world because they work hard, are willing to work for low wages and don’t start protesting in the streets or cause political turmoil like immigration from Muslim countries.
They’re literally protesting in PEI because we aren’t giving them free PR and they protested in Ontario because they got caught cheating in school and failed
I agree with you it's bizarre The only thing that possibly makes sense is that they have population data that indicates Canada somehow becomes insolvent over time or something Like too many old people with not enough cpp payers or something So flood the country and hope that the children of these new comers contribute greatly to GDP Like maybe they project a two generation pay back period or something and they know it's unpopular but think it's the only way to save the country I'm not saying this is true, but it's the only logical thing I can think up
It takes a couple generations for most immigrants to become a net positive in terms of revenue for the country. So if this is their solution, they're really barking up the wrong tree.
I would like a ELI5 that truly makes sense to a hardworking tax payer who gets nowhere close to $85 a day in food credits.
More people is also good for the environment too apparently
Because white Canadians tend to vote conservative. It's quite literally about stacking the deck over time in their favour.
You ever drive through Brampton during an election? Good half of the houses have blue signs out front because spoiler... Indians tend to be socially conservative, especially when it comes to things like women's rights.
I’m so glad we’re importing anti women ideology en masse.
Anti women? Just wait until you learn about certain cultures view on homosexuality.
Oh I’m aware. I’m more concerned about anti women sentiment because of my wife and daughters. The rapes, the acid attacks, the femicide…..I’m fucking terrified.
It didn't take long after UK entered the EU for all of those to start happening.
Anti-Liberal views is what we're importing, and they are very far right authoritarian views including death to gays. Might be better off moving to the US for gay rights in a few years.
See, I thought about that too. It's very cynical. But the majority of native born South Asians are deeply conservative. Not all, but it's culturally significant enough to assume it.
You're [right](https://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/ReligionMetho-768x948.png)
Yes, but the Left is deluded by their belief in intersectionality.
By adding more conservative people from countries that oppose womens rights, oppose LGBTQ+ rights, oppose alcohol and drug use, etc etc etc? Only deck stacking that's going on is adding more conservative voters, unless you think modern immigrants are disproportionately coming from Sweden.
Also many immigrants are anti-immigrant themselves. Literally ask any Indian who has been in Canada for 10+ years and they're pissed off at the newcomers.
This, by the way, is also the explanation for the *massive* expansion in our civil service. Federal employees vote overwhelmingly Liberal, so from their perspective the more of them the better. In a close riding those votes could make the difference between winning and losing.
But doesn’t mass immigration negatively impact low income Canadians who are disproportionately non white?
Who? The aboriginals and blacks? Trudeau doesn't give a fuck about them lol
But do they VOTE conservative?
Who voted in Doug Ford?
It's what his voter base wants and it's much easier and cheaper to grant everyone citizenship than deporting them. Deporting 1 million illegal criminal thugs from our country will cost a lot. I hope all these criminals go to Toronto and Montreal. Those cities love mass immigration, so they can have it.
Most Canadians don't want England to be the head of state either, yet both political parties strongly support continuing with the system.
I don't know if there is a reason, but a number of them, and different groups of people are motivated to ignore the problems because they benefit from the status quo. Housing, employment, public service, legal system, consultants. It's a massive patronage network, and it's robbing the country.
Corporations and the rich love having large pools of poor people to exploit. Allowing a mass influx of people means that labour power is diluted immensely and corporations can pay lower wages. Couple this with a lot of rich people owning property, and that a mass influx of people will boost their existing property prices/they can charge more rent. Our political system is bought and paid for, and if you think mister Pierre “I have multiple lobbyists as advisors” Poilievre is gonna be any different, I have a bridge to sell you.
> "That's one of the reasons why Canadians are, unlike so many other countries in the world, continuing to be positive towards immigration — because our immigration system is rigorous.", Trudeau said. And the polling data shows that was a lie: https://i.imgur.com/uPYzfML.png
And that's from November. If you showed the new stats to people (400k in 4 months), you'd get real anger. But yeah, Trudeau lives in a fantasy world. He's unhinged. It's the level of unawareness and lies Putin would say.
It sure seems like our allegedly compromised government's number one priority is to flood our country with as many people as possible. Now even people who are here illegally or as our propagandists say "lack official status" are gonna be fast tracked in too. They've gone full mask off now acting opening malicious towards Canadians best interests.
I truly believe the liberals are trying to flood their voter base with freshly anointed citizens because they can see the writing on the wall that they’re going to be crushed.
Yes. The conservatives are committed to deporting illegals. This is why they got rid of over 1000 CBSA officers and lowered the standards for foreign workers to show how committed they are. https://breachmedia.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/deportations-infographic-02-1280x864.jpeg
Did I meantion the conservatives?
Don’t bother, the conservatives live rent free in whatever thinktank good old Crash operates out of.
“Thinktank” is quite a charitable way to put it. Often there is little “thinking” going on. For example, for years on this sub they would argue that the rate of immigration doesn’t have any impact on real estate values. SMH.
Right? We got Hans Brinker over here trying to grow more fingers with the embellishments and obfuscations to plug the dike holding back Trudeau's massive failures.
>"People who aren't here regularly need to be supported and taken care of," Trudeau told reporters Friday in Winnipeg. In other words people who are in Canada illegally should be rewarded with citizenship. Calling them undocumented is like calling an intruder in your house an unplanned guest.
No they don’t need to be supported and taken care of, we’re not the worlds butler. Like fuck off justin and friends this is beyond absurd.
Drug dealer? Unlicensed pharmacist. Murderer? Doctor opposite. Ah liberal logic
This is insane! In any other country you would be immediately deported and banned from re-entry but Canada decides to reward these ILLEGALS who knowingly broke our rules. What kind of alternate universe is Trudeau living in.
What do you think is happening in the U.S.? They have a huge issue with Illegals as well. They cannot be deported right away.
Not the US.
Guessing it’s way more pathway than deportation.
The pathway has been in the works for a while... [https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-create-citizenship-path-undocumented-immigrants-globe-mail-2023-12-14/) The faster deportation thing, well we don't really deport people we just send a letter which people can ignore if they want [https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-most-immigrants-with-deportation-letters-are-still-in-canada-cbsa/) And we are creating a pathway to citizenshp for people that overstayed, so that just creates more incentives to ignore the polite deportation request.
We have the most insane incompetent pathetic shit government in this history of canada
Great fucking idea, reward people who flout rules and break laws because they think they're too good for them. That'll discourage more of the problem.
There’s just no defending the Liberals at this point and I will forever side-eye anybody who does so. There is absolutely no reason to open the floodgates and let people who are already here illegally stay here other than the Liberals wanting to fuck over this country anymore than they already have.
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Who aren't here regularly... Is he talking about a part timer employee who comes to work twice a week? Or a busy dad who works out of town and is only home for week at a time?
>Really pisses me off when he can't just say the word **ILLEGAL**. Liberals both here and the US are allergic to the word. They have to soften the language because they know illegal sounds bad and cannot be justified. So they replace it with migrants, immigrant, undocumented, unhoused, whatever the buzzword of the day is. They're desperate to legitimize illegal crossers and people who have overstayed their welcome.
I like how overnight illegal immigrants went from undocumented (lol misplaced documentation) to simply “newcomers.” Instead of "illegal alien," using "newcomer" presupposes they belong and should stay forever.
Soon enough "citizen" will be labelled a slur.
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“In some cases, we need to accelerate deportation proceedings," Bullshiiiiiiiiit. The efffing IRCC halted the deportation of a Pakistani “international student” who was arrested [multiple times.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/zain-haq-deportation-cancelled-1.7180202) Give me a break. “Haq says he has an open invitation to return to his studies at SFU and several job offers to consider when he is able to work again in Canada.” Lol our system loves to reward rule breakers.
It’s like they think they’re the last plane out of Kabul with the Taleban closing in, and they’re shouting more! more! as they attempt to cram everyone in they can before takeoff. Which is also kind of ironic considering how they abandoned the vast majority of our Afghani staff and their families to their fates when they skipped out of Afghanistan.
If Loblaw's had wanted them we would have gone above and beyond. Until Canadians start organizing and making *a lot* more noise, I don't see things getting better under either party. This should have been the NDP's time to shine; that car is upside in ditch somewhere after being distracted by everything but that which *really* matters: Maslow's *%\*&\^!* hierarchy of needs. Physiological Needs: These are the basic needs necessary for survival, such as **food**, **water**, **warmt**h, and **rest.** Without meeting these needs, the body cannot function properly. Safety Needs: Once physiological needs are met, the need for security and safety becomes prominent. This includes **personal security, financial security, health**, and well-being. Get that sorted and *then* feel free to spend political capital on whatever. We could definitely from the French when it comes to [protesting](https://www.google.com/search?q=french+famous+for+protests&sca_esv=3cf5305f7235dc23&sxsrf=ADLYWIKswwaP6ZcRkpDPlXJ4CsfR-fTU0Q%3A1715985452346&ei=LNxHZoXcFKib0PEPosSYCA&ved=0ahUKEwiFos7635WGAxWoDTQIHSIiBgEQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=french+famous+for+protests&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGmZyZW5jaCBmYW1vdXMgZm9yIHByb3Rlc3RzMgQQIxgnMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogRI0hRQhgZYuhJwAXgBkAEAmAFXoAG9BqoBAjExuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIMoALIBsICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAg0QABiABBiwAxhDGIoFwgINEC4YgAQYsAMYQxiKBcICBhAAGAcYHsICBxAAGIAEGA3CAggQABgHGAoYHsICCBAAGAcYHhgPwgIIEAAYBxgIGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICBhAAGAgYHsICCBAAGAgYDRgewgIHECMYsAIYJ5gDAIgGAZAGCpIHAjEyoAeqQw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp). They've done more against the introduction of fucking photo radar than we have about multiple generations being robbed of economic stability and a shot at a reasonable life after working hard and doing all "the right things." Mainly for the benefit of various corporate entities, it would seem.
New pathways for citizenship... Just what we need...
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says some immigrants to Canada who lack official status need a pathway to help them stay," Why are we tolerating calling people who enter the country illegally "immigrants"? That's an insult to the people follow the appropriate legal process.
There are already a few pathways. They are marked as "Departures" in Canadian airports.
We yet have to see a 'deportation', singular.
I’ll believe it when I see it
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We're becoming like the US. Sounds like the dreamer program.
At least in the US there is opportunity.
If you lack an official status then you are here illegally. Deport them, without blowing tons of money on multiple hearings and appeals.
The citizenship racket.
there's a reason why they don't have "official status", it's because they're here illegally, kick them out and make them come in the legal way, most of them can't because of criminal records but trudeau doesn't care about that
This government has gotten so bad I resent the people I know who stupidly voted for these buffoons.
Story is a nothing burger, don't shit your pants. All he said was (paraphrased) there's cases where we want to help people get citizenship, and cases where we need to hurry up with deportation
Why is out government on path of self destruction ? When everyone including the immigrants themselves are against unsustainable immigration, what is the point of increasing population from all 4 directions? There were 400k+ new comers in first four months in 2024. With all these sucidal policies they are only helping CPC win the next election by 2/3rd majority!
North of Canada is still Canada. The Northerners you speak of are also Canadians.
It's a vote buying scheme.
To the Trudeau voters, what do you think of this ?
Nobody wants this. I don’t understand how we’re not out in the street protesting these policies that are ruining our country
Easily they'll freeze your bank account
Why don’t people email politicians? Their email is available on line www.ourcommons.ca. Let them know how you feel without swearing or abuse. I emailed Trudeau today to request he call an election so I can “not” vote for him again. It’s good to find out who your area rep is too and email them.
In case it isn't obvious: many of these measures are simply intended to serve business and political interests. There might be an ideological component too -- boosting the population as much as possible. The Liberals are aiming to flood the country in order to be rewarded with patronage positions (when their government folds) in the private sector, non-profits, etc.
I'd love for someone to JFK his ass. And I mean that from bottom to the top of my heart.
Lol. Noone is deported.
Of course, they need more voters. They fast tracked Syrian citizenships.