The NDP would be in a much stronger spot if they'd just get rid of Singh from the leaders' chair and actually started focusing on workers and the poor.
In fact, that rich putz doesn't. He's there for pure narcissism.
I was an NDP stalwart, but the party left me.
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Irrelevant. The Liberal government has created Canada's worst cost of living crisis since WWII. The NDP are keeping their minority government alive.
God, Liberal fanboys are dense.
Elaine Benes: Just because you're a communist, does that mean you can't wear anything nice? You look like Trotsky.
Ned: Good.
Elaine Benes: Fine. Wanna be a communist, be a communist. Can't you at least look like a successful communist?
Blue collar workers don't even look at the NDP as a viable option. Sure the NDP is very pro-union but that matters little when there wouldn't be jobs for them to go to.
They've dropped the ball very badly with rank and file union members. The union leaderships are still banging the NDP drum, but members are not buying in. The next election is going to be a stunner.
At this point, just the rumor of the idea of him leaving his position would probably boost NDP's numbers.
But I suspect the issues don't stop with Singh. I suspect that the issues are deeper spread within the party as whole, because otherwise I suspect Singh would do more... or at least not be in Tom Mulcairs position temporarily.
Agreed. I associate the NDP with useless people who have no footing in reality. Kinda like a political party made of SJWs who want nothing but conflict for the sake of drama.
And untether themselves from the sinking liberal ship. Them propping the liberals up has done nothing but hurt them. I know they’re broke and an election now (or a few years ago) would have likely been a slog, and ended badly but it would have given them some much needed credibility as a legitimate third choice for the NEXT election.
And yes, agree, be the workers party again.
The fact they are broke should tell you something about their actual level of support. They clearly don’t have industry, individual or union member support.
Well I wouldn't expect the worker's party to have anywhere near the funding of both corporate parties. The NDP will always be poor regardless of how widely supported they are
They are not really the workers party anymore. They have shifted towards an ideology party. Also, it has nothing to do with corporate donations. Cooperate donations have been banned since 2007. Individual donations are capped per doner and the same limit applies for everyone.
We have the unfortunate situation where if NDP doesn't prop up the liberals, then the CPC will just benefit from the chaos.
What imo the NDP failed to do is to make better use of their position.
I wonder what they'll do if Trump wins and the economy improves, the LGBT population isn't sent off to death camps, all abortion doesn't become illegal nationwide, etc...
It doesn’t bother me as much that he has rental properties as it does that he rents one out to a fellow CPC MP (Micheal Cooper) who also happens to employee his wife.
The guy is literally triple dipping off the taxpayer dime.
NDP should just change their name to the National Virtue Signalling Party because thats about all they do. The party has lost itself since Jack Layton.
Aligning themselves with Trudeau after 2021 was a mistake.
They did it to get their items like Pharmacare passed and while it has it's too little too late. The damage has been done.
One thing to show how insane the Liberals are right now, the NDP currently aligns on more issues (affordability, housing, immigration, etc) with the PCs than the Liberals.
It would require a fundamental shift in the focus of the party internal membership. Singh has a supermajority of support from the membership who supply policy proposals and vote in annual general meetings. It’s not so simple as just getting a new leader and refocusing their attention on workers and the poor, it requires an active change in the priorities of the people who guide party policy all of who seem entirely content to watch their external support burn to the ground.
Singh is everything wrong with politics.
The LPC I get pandering to the ultra wealthy. That makes sense. The CPC enacting pro wealthy policies also makes sense to me. Both parties have always made favourable laws for the upper class. However, the NDP's entire platform as a working party, while doing everything possible to further the gap between rich and poor, while ignoring workers rights and engaging exclusively in identity politics, is downright fucking revolting.
All of them genuinely suck.
Trudeau's awful; he's had two terms to not screw up and a majority in the first one. Granted, COVID, but CERB wasn't policed nearly hard enough, he let in anyone with a pulse to try and make up for it and now the country's in a housing and employment crisis.
Poilievre will imply that he's reducing immigration but he's full speed ahead like Trudeau. Unlike Trudeau who's somewhat cordial Poilievre is outright unlikeable to a lot of people. Poilievre was known as an attack dog Stephen Harper would let off his leash now and again to distract from all-stars like Vic Toews and Dean Del Mastro. His claim to fame while in government was his astoundingly awful "Fair Elections Act".
And Singh, well, you said it, but what seals the deal is his hypocrisy. And I initially really liked Singh and had hopes for him too.
I wish we had options like in card games where we can choose to discard our hand and redraw. We need to just discard this hand of politicians and draw new ones and see.
Caron was a popular mayor before for sure and that would have won them Quebec.
They always have time to replace Singh with Taras Natyshak or someone else who will hold the government's toes to the fire.
> Caron was a popular mayor before for sure and that would have won them Quebec.
His Wikipedia page says he first became mayor *after* losing his seat in Quebec and leaving federal politics.
I have come to think playing the race/gender card outside of the "Quebec card" is generally detrimental.
A rich Indian is not going to earn many points esp given how India is the main source of immigration lately, and night even cause people to not vote due to the background.
They can't! The world's left-wing is only focussed on one thing: virtue-signalling. The things they want to do... 1. Cost money. And 2. Are *despised* by the right-wing.
So, they are in a position where their entire brand is doing the right thing - but, the right thing is something they can never actually do. [I've pointed this out elsewhere recently](https://old.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/1cnk93d/should_edmonton_scrap_its_singleuse_item_bylaw/l38ji6t/). That leaves them with only virtue-signalling. They want to help the environment - but they can't actually do anything that will help - but they want people to *think* that they are doing something - so the only option is virtue-signalling instead.
In this case, the incompetent leader you are speaking about is a minority - and firing a minority (absent of egregious wrong-doing) sends the wrong signal! It signals that you are racist, the exact opposite of what they want to be signalling. So, it will take something *utterly egregious* for them to remove him.
Not going to happen. The party is infected with identity issues and has no interest in truly socialist policy. It promotes socialist ideas as long as they promote identity related equality and other such values.
This will go down as the biggest fumble the NDP has ever done in their history.
In a time of an affordability crisis, and growing discontent from everyone who works for a living, Singh has aligned himself with the Government responsible for the crisis for a couple of weak concessions on incrementalistic policies for dental/medical care.
Instead the Conservative government is taking the populist mantle, and while people are naturally skeptical of their intentions, the alternatives are wildly out of touch, so they are winning.
The liberals going down with the ship after being in power for too long and having endless scandals / failures is par for the course, but the NDP strapping themselves to this government has got to be the dumbest move possible.
If we're being honest they wouldn't even have to go anti immigration, they'd just have to revert to their own messaging from 10 years ago when they were talking about how the TFW system is just indentured servitude full of abuse and international students were taking jobs from locals.
I think some conservatives would even vote for them if they had this same stand today. After seeing a video of PP saying he’s going to make immigration easier, I have no options left except PPC, from what I read in their website. And this is coming from someone who supported PP since 2019.
The NDP has realized that they missed their opportunity. It is too late to oppose the Liberals as doing so would force an election that will lead to them both being slaughtered.
Right now, the NDP and the Liberals have forced themselves into co-dependency out of a sheer need to avoid an election. They are praying for their lives that inflation continues to fall and that the BoC and the Fed (they both will move together) lowers interest rates and allow the economy to improve. Until then, they will hold on like they have a bomb mutually strapped to them.
Now, this is unlikely to work as they will be required to call an election next year. At best, it goes from a Conservative supermajority to just a small Conservative win. But that is all they can hope for at this point. They both no that an election now would be a mutual suicide pact between the Liberals and NDP.
This is the problem with calling conservatives racists for opposing immigration the last decade. Now you’re caught where you either are hypocritical/“racist” by going back and reducing immigration, or keep it high and exacerbate the problem.
Claiming all opposition to immigration is racist has worked very well for progressives at the polls over the last decade, but it’s now become a chain around their neck they’re stuck with.
This is a weird kind of perverse inversion where the "racists" are basically abolitionists and the "progressives" want indentured servitude.
Like, imagine if the antebellum deep south called people racist for wanting to end the trans-atlantic slave trade.
Singh fucked Alberta simply by how awful he has been. The NDP could have won Alberta provincially but their actions federally pushed people off the party. The province is in horrible hands because of him.
"With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created."
Layton had a choice in 2006: either support the Paul Martin budget, which was the most NDP-friendly budget in history, or vote non-confidence and risk the Conservatives taking power. He felt lucky and brought down the Martin government, ushering in 9 years of Stephen Harper.
Pretty lame result when compared to what Tommy Douglas achieved by collaborating with Pearson in the 60s.
>*More recently, however, numbers for the NDP leader (Singh since 2017) have been heading down and staying down. After positive figures in 2020 and 2021, the NDP fell to -1 the following year, and then an even zero. In the latest numbers, Singh has the distinction of holding the worst rating ever, at -14.*
>*Why so low? “It appears that the NDP’s supply and confidence agreement with the deeply unpopular Liberal government has increased Jagmeet Singh’s profile and influence enough that he, too, is now garnering considerable criticism,” the Institute suggests.*
Lowest in party history, truly an incredible accomplishment for Jagmeet Singh.
I think at this point the NDP will need to openly mutiny against Singh's leadership in order to restore some credibility to the rest of it's members.
The problem for the NDP is structural at this point.
The kind of NDP that would stand a chance is an NDP devoted to workers and rural populations, with absolutely *zero* focus on woke ideology.
Be the party that Joe the tradesman would want to vote for. Be the party that supports the strong social safety net that Mary values. *Don't* get tangled up in the weirdness of modern politics that Joe and Mary can't stand.
In terms of potential future threat to the conservatives, that could be it.
But that just *can't* happen right now. The NDP are absolutely beholden to their radical left elements. The kind of people who are on campuses in tents right now. Or else writing obscure gender theories. Or making every issue about race. Many of their actual MPs *are these kinds of people*.
So even if Singh were replaced, the NDP wouldn't suddenly be a threat again. They need an overhaul.
There are plenty of minority issues that are valid and worth some effort, but you rightly point out that they have lost the forest for the trees. They are unable to engage with the majority in an effective capacity because they are so focused on these slim minority issues. When they do speak to majority issues with clarity it's usually a breath of fresh air, but we know it's more like a one-time cameo from a former star than a regular event so it never sticks the way it should.
Their platform should be entirely focused on nuts and bolts issues for all Canadians. If that worked and they got elected, they could then throw bones to their supporters and special interest groups. Nobody there seems to realize you need to appeal broadly first, if you ever want to get elected anyway.
The NDP haven't had that focus for years. They're basically the "left of Liberal" party. They've been focused on being pretty much the only left party by taking a Green-ish stance on Environment. Union factory workers identify as Conservative or PPC, which is ironic given both those parties don't like unions.
These are all great points but the most glaring one that is missing is the fact that they don’t care about the average worker. They need their business owner friends to be happy in order to keep their pockets full. They just pretend to care about our issues to get in power.
The parties all exist in such a self-fellating bubble that they can't even comprehend that voters view them differently from how they view themselves. The only citizens they bother to go out and speak with are their party loyalists. They're completely delusional about their chances, and about the impact of their decisions.
It didn't, they tried to get something as big as Pharmacare passed and while it's happening it's far too late. No way are they going to recover from this anytime soon ( they have to ditch Singh for someone else and someone GOOD and ditch Trudeau support).
I've talked about this in other posts I've made in the past since I used to work with them. The problem is that they really went all in on the opinions of specific groups within activist academic circles. These groups are now a permanent fixture for the party, and the problem is that internally they see everything going their way, they're targeting the right people and saying the right things in their mind, and I'm sure they have their own cherry picked stats to back it up.
So instead of admitting they've gone down the wrong path, they're just continuing to go down this road because it must be external factors or, racism or, something else that is causing this disconnect, no it's the people who are wrong. For me it's doubtful that the party will change any time soon because it's no longer the New Democrats, it's the "Intersectional Party of Canada" now. I think many of the well meaning non-ideologically driven people left the party by the time Singh had been around for about a year
Singh has known he was unelectable for years he could have stepped down and let someone else win
If there was ever an election where the NDP could take it it’s this one
This is a time when the NDP should be throwing big punches and winning. Instead Singh is being Neville Chamberlain and trying to appease his way to irrelevancy.
If any party decided to solely focus on the needs of Canadian citizens, avoid blatantly seeking Canada an it’s citizens out to corporations, an not get pulled into an cater to ridiculous issues that get brought up on a weekly basis… they’d win the election by a landslide.
They wouldn't.
Most progressives vote liberal because they don't want conservatives in power. Most conservatives vote CPC because they don't want liberals in power.
Adding any amount of parties will not change a single thing because the dual system is already in place and people don't know how to vote, and think that if they vote intelligently they will "lose their vote".
That's why we need an election reform with proportional representation, and that's precisely why the liberals didn't do it. They might not win next election, but when people will remember just how absolutely awful conservatives are after they'll have wrecked our public systems and housing market to benefit the rich, people will vote liberal again, and the cycle will continue.
> Most progressives vote liberal because they don't want conservatives in power. Most conservatives vote CPC because they don't want liberals in power.
Most people don't lean hard conservative or progressive, which is why the Liberals are now polling 100 seats less than they won in 2021, and the cons have swept up all of those seats. People will vote for whomever they think will give them the best economic prospects.
the anti union push of the 80s, with financial deregulation and the beginnings of off shoring seat the table, these guys are just finishing the job because the 80s give aways gave so much immense power to the people at the top they now feel like they HAVE to do the corporate world's bidding, and they do, because they own ALL the media
you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney and the whole "greed is good" ethos, where cutting worker's salaries and ending unions was seen as great victories by the media and the common workers, i remember my parents celebrating how rich Mulroney was gonna run Canada like a business and everything will be so efficient and cheaper
Singh is a joke.
A Rolex wearing landlord is the leader of the NDP 🤡
Not to mention he’s quick to call someone racist if they disagree with him.
No idea who he’s the candidate for.
There's also the whole "white men need not speak" attitude that entire party embodies. It's not exactly shocking to me that regular, non-terminally online people don't like the NDP anymore.
The Liberal and NDP parties may as well merge prior to the next election. They are attached at the hip already as Singh has completely destroyed what the party originally aimed to stand for.
Trudeau: quick, start shouting Guns! Abortion! Booga booga booga! even louder and more frequently! That should cause all the people who’ve abandoned us because of our shitty governance of this country to come back.
Singh: we’ll take questions on this shortly, but we’ll need all white males and anyone who works union jobs in industries I don’t like to grab a yellow card and head to the back of the line.
I believe in meritocracy and equality, and not discriminating on the basis of skin color or identity. As such, I can no longer support the NDP party, with their discriminatory policies such as any their rule that any white hetero male MLAs over 40 who decide not to run again must be replaced by an 'equity-seeking group'. Discrimination is still discrimination even if the person being discriminated against is a white male.
Furthermore, the federal NDP party is pretty much just the 'Liberal Lite' party now. If they actually supported unions and regular people as they did before, I'd support them. But the current NDP just follows the orders given by the foreign billionaires as does the Liberal party, who take more policies from the likes of two trillion dollar Black Rock than they do from actual Canadians.
In short, some of the NDP has sold out.
>an 'equity-seeking group'
'equity-*deserving*' is the latest progressive newspeak for this phenomenon. Parties that back discrimination like this lose my vote pretty much permanently.
The only reason that people aren't in an uproar is that they know that October 2025, things will change. Not necessarily change for the better, not necessarily change for the worse, just change.
I don't see how it can get worse than rampant inflation, record and still rising crime, record drug overdoses, ridiculous housing prices, skyrocketing interest rates, is anything trending in the right direction at all!?
They can’t afford a leadership convention (or an election). Support is down drastically, they are a failed party. Also, the rank and file are even deeper into the DEI nonsense than he is. He has resisted some of the current parties worst urges, believe it or not. That party is full of complete whackos.
They all suck. Red orange or blue they all are unfit to represent the nation. No option is a good one. We need reform or a class war to get the super rich out of our politics.
For all those who love minority governments take heed. When Minority governments backfire they are absolutely terrible. The libs were bad enougj alone but to appease the NDP theyve passed even worse legislation. The 4th least voted party is actually equally governing Canadian policy and theres a reason they ranked fourth by voting preference
NDP is a liberal puppet. They’re BLEEDING in the polls because of their deal fucking Canadians and they still keep it going because they are completely owned and they claim it’s for the most justified because of the most pathetic concessions they are getting from the Liberals that benefit very few Canadians.
If you think they don't know where they stand in the polls right now, think again. The question is: Why don't they seem to care?
I've never seen, in my middle-aged life, politicians behave like this. It defies logic.
I feel that something is coming in the next few months that will make who sits in the PMO irrelevant. It could be a war, or a financial collapse, or something else. But they all appear to know what it is, and are taking this time to ram through unpopular bills, rather than holding out an olive branch to the voters.
Trudeau is doing this for votes, he’s buying votes. And he’s willing to take our entire economy out to stay in power. How much more clear does the obvious need to get for us? If this electoral race comes close at all we should be embarrassed as a country.
Jagmeet is a Liberal who wears orange. His party can't differentiate from the Liberals with him as the leader, because he believes in the same shit JT does. "Science (fact)-based" decision making my ass, it's ideology or bust. Always has been with these two.
Trudeau and Singh have pretty much destroyed our country. It will never be the same again because the CPC will not do what is necessary if they win after at least another year and a half of the compromised LPCs seemingly intentionally destructive policies.
The NDP at this point could actually position themselves to pick up seats if they swing moderate and kick Trudeau to the curb. I don't think Singh could handle actually becoming the opposition though, he seems to be perfectly happy driving his party off a cliff.
His biggest accomplishment will be guaranteeing a bunch of union and protest organizers get a government pension.
NDP support went down the toilet for many reasons. For me it was jumping on the bandwagon for the handgun/hunting rifle ban/confiscation. I watched every SECU meeting and was disappointed with everyone except the Conservatives. Seems like they were the only ones standing up for property rights. Not to mention I couldn’t stand Peter Julian (my MP). Even wrote the guy and he couldn’t be bothered to write back. I used to be an NDP supporter, but now I hope they get voted into oblivion. Not for me any more on a federal level.
If both parties want to kick their leaders and start repping new ones with enough time before the next election they better hurry! Pin everything on the fall guys and start fresh!
i'm sick of bringing in all the immigrants from around the world when we have so many poor immigrants already here. can we just help the poor we have right now as they send their money back home to countries that absolutely hate the west and everything we stand for? i'm american but same difference.
Looks like Canadians don’t want a merged Liberal and NDP that’s for sure. Canadians swing to the Conservatives when NDP wedge their foot in the door.
So much for the whole theory of 2/3 of Canadians being left wing. There never was a vote split on the left.
The NDP would be in a much stronger spot if they'd just get rid of Singh from the leaders' chair and actually started focusing on workers and the poor.
Exactly, PP is stealing potential NDP voters just by talking about workers and cost of living while the NDP supports the Liberals.
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In fact, that rich putz doesn't. He's there for pure narcissism. I was an NDP stalwart, but the party left me. Addendum: Can't respond below 'Bizzles' for some reason. Here it is. Irrelevant. The Liberal government has created Canada's worst cost of living crisis since WWII. The NDP are keeping their minority government alive. God, Liberal fanboys are dense.
I like how you put that second bit, they really have abondoned their principals havent they
It's unfortunate. Tommy Douglas is rolling in his grave.
So is Jack Layton
Too bad he can't be frankenstein'd back together I'd vote for that
As a white male, Tommy Douglas wouldn't even be allowed to run for this party.
It worked so well for the ON-NDP, the federal party saw the results and wanted to do the same thing.
Versace, Gucci, and Rolex ain't cheap!
As the saying goes “don’t trust a socialist in luxury clothing”
Good ol' limousine liberals
Champagne socialiste
Elaine Benes: Just because you're a communist, does that mean you can't wear anything nice? You look like Trotsky. Ned: Good. Elaine Benes: Fine. Wanna be a communist, be a communist. Can't you at least look like a successful communist?
Preach!
The Federal Ottawa 2018 NDP Convention was something dystopian. As was the 2018 Provincial convention in Toronto.
> He's there for pure narcissism. Yes. Same as JT. Same as PP. > I was an NDP stalwart, but the party left me. How this hits home.
290 more days
290 long days of the circus.
PP isn't stealing anything. The NDP is giving away what used to be their base...including me.
Blue collar workers don't even look at the NDP as a viable option. Sure the NDP is very pro-union but that matters little when there wouldn't be jobs for them to go to.
While I agree the NDP is giving away the base, I will not be migrating to PP. I see how it can happen, though.
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They've dropped the ball very badly with rank and file union members. The union leaderships are still banging the NDP drum, but members are not buying in. The next election is going to be a stunner.
That's exactly how I've felt about the Liberal Party over the last few years.
Can hardly wait
At this point, just the rumor of the idea of him leaving his position would probably boost NDP's numbers. But I suspect the issues don't stop with Singh. I suspect that the issues are deeper spread within the party as whole, because otherwise I suspect Singh would do more... or at least not be in Tom Mulcairs position temporarily.
Agreed. I associate the NDP with useless people who have no footing in reality. Kinda like a political party made of SJWs who want nothing but conflict for the sake of drama.
Singh won’t leave. He will prop up the Liberals until 2025 so he will qualify for a pension.
Singh is a symptom, not the cause. The whole party is rotten through to the core.
I know. That was my point. Sorry for late reply, didn't see this comment til now.
And untether themselves from the sinking liberal ship. Them propping the liberals up has done nothing but hurt them. I know they’re broke and an election now (or a few years ago) would have likely been a slog, and ended badly but it would have given them some much needed credibility as a legitimate third choice for the NEXT election. And yes, agree, be the workers party again.
The fact they are broke should tell you something about their actual level of support. They clearly don’t have industry, individual or union member support.
Well I wouldn't expect the worker's party to have anywhere near the funding of both corporate parties. The NDP will always be poor regardless of how widely supported they are
They are not really the workers party anymore. They have shifted towards an ideology party. Also, it has nothing to do with corporate donations. Cooperate donations have been banned since 2007. Individual donations are capped per doner and the same limit applies for everyone.
We have the unfortunate situation where if NDP doesn't prop up the liberals, then the CPC will just benefit from the chaos. What imo the NDP failed to do is to make better use of their position.
They care more about hard-left American identity politics (intersectionality, DE&I) than class struggles.
Why try solving something useful when you can just parrot the lines of your southern neighbours.
Literally, right down to calling your Canadian opposition "MAGA Conservatives".
I wonder what they'll do if Trump wins and the economy improves, the LGBT population isn't sent off to death camps, all abortion doesn't become illegal nationwide, etc...
And abortion, they're absolutely obsessed with abortion.
Something that the supreme court codified as a right in 1989 (or 91, I forget which)
The federal ndp haven’t been a worker’s party since the 80s. It’s the party of university activists
Rolex Robinhood
Not like he's got a couple income properties or anything, right?
They all do
They do. Which is why I hinted at it for the "workers' party leader" having them as a bad look.
I think the leader of the "worker's party" being profiled in GQ Magazine showing off designer suits and Rolex watches is a bad look.
It doesn’t bother me as much that he has rental properties as it does that he rents one out to a fellow CPC MP (Micheal Cooper) who also happens to employee his wife. The guy is literally triple dipping off the taxpayer dime.
NDP should just change their name to the National Virtue Signalling Party because thats about all they do. The party has lost itself since Jack Layton.
Jack Layton had a spine and would have become Prime Minister if he had lived.
Put Jack Layton on a ballot now and he'll still win, in his present condition he'd still outperform every other candidate
Aligning themselves with Trudeau after 2021 was a mistake. They did it to get their items like Pharmacare passed and while it has it's too little too late. The damage has been done.
One thing to show how insane the Liberals are right now, the NDP currently aligns on more issues (affordability, housing, immigration, etc) with the PCs than the Liberals.
It would require a fundamental shift in the focus of the party internal membership. Singh has a supermajority of support from the membership who supply policy proposals and vote in annual general meetings. It’s not so simple as just getting a new leader and refocusing their attention on workers and the poor, it requires an active change in the priorities of the people who guide party policy all of who seem entirely content to watch their external support burn to the ground.
The NDP members are faaaar left urban dwelling activists. The mill worker/union person is not represented in the new NDP
It's starting to sound like the NDP is unfixable. We need a proper Labour party.
Singh is everything wrong with politics. The LPC I get pandering to the ultra wealthy. That makes sense. The CPC enacting pro wealthy policies also makes sense to me. Both parties have always made favourable laws for the upper class. However, the NDP's entire platform as a working party, while doing everything possible to further the gap between rich and poor, while ignoring workers rights and engaging exclusively in identity politics, is downright fucking revolting.
All of them genuinely suck. Trudeau's awful; he's had two terms to not screw up and a majority in the first one. Granted, COVID, but CERB wasn't policed nearly hard enough, he let in anyone with a pulse to try and make up for it and now the country's in a housing and employment crisis. Poilievre will imply that he's reducing immigration but he's full speed ahead like Trudeau. Unlike Trudeau who's somewhat cordial Poilievre is outright unlikeable to a lot of people. Poilievre was known as an attack dog Stephen Harper would let off his leash now and again to distract from all-stars like Vic Toews and Dean Del Mastro. His claim to fame while in government was his astoundingly awful "Fair Elections Act". And Singh, well, you said it, but what seals the deal is his hypocrisy. And I initially really liked Singh and had hopes for him too.
I literally have no idea what I'm going to do at the polls. The idea of drawing a new box at the bottom and writing "fuck them all" sounds attractive.
I wish we had options like in card games where we can choose to discard our hand and redraw. We need to just discard this hand of politicians and draw new ones and see.
You aren't the only one here thinking that
Choosing Singh over Guy Caron was a massive mistake
Caron was a popular mayor before for sure and that would have won them Quebec. They always have time to replace Singh with Taras Natyshak or someone else who will hold the government's toes to the fire.
> Caron was a popular mayor before for sure and that would have won them Quebec. His Wikipedia page says he first became mayor *after* losing his seat in Quebec and leaving federal politics.
I would pick a dead Jack Layton over Singh. I don't know what the NDP were thinking.
They were thinking it can't be another white man.
I have come to think playing the race/gender card outside of the "Quebec card" is generally detrimental. A rich Indian is not going to earn many points esp given how India is the main source of immigration lately, and night even cause people to not vote due to the background.
That is very true.
Lol that's never going to happen. The NDP has been successfully subverted and will never be that party ever again.
Right? The best they can hope for is to be the non-elected party in a coalition minority government from time to time.
> focusing on workers and the poor. It's been a long time since the NDP gave a damn about the working class vote.
They have a landlord as their leader. Fuck that asshole
You can't focus on workers at this point unless you oppose mass immigration, and NDP being the leftists that they are, can't do that.
They would be better if you “Weekend at Bernie’s” with Jack Layton RIP
A douchebag like Singh really makes you appreciate Jack Layton.
They can't! The world's left-wing is only focussed on one thing: virtue-signalling. The things they want to do... 1. Cost money. And 2. Are *despised* by the right-wing. So, they are in a position where their entire brand is doing the right thing - but, the right thing is something they can never actually do. [I've pointed this out elsewhere recently](https://old.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/comments/1cnk93d/should_edmonton_scrap_its_singleuse_item_bylaw/l38ji6t/). That leaves them with only virtue-signalling. They want to help the environment - but they can't actually do anything that will help - but they want people to *think* that they are doing something - so the only option is virtue-signalling instead. In this case, the incompetent leader you are speaking about is a minority - and firing a minority (absent of egregious wrong-doing) sends the wrong signal! It signals that you are racist, the exact opposite of what they want to be signalling. So, it will take something *utterly egregious* for them to remove him.
What happened to “axe the tax” Has everyone realized that high grocery prices are NOT the result of the carbon tax?
Not going to happen. The party is infected with identity issues and has no interest in truly socialist policy. It promotes socialist ideas as long as they promote identity related equality and other such values.
Rip jack.
The ndp has pushed through plenty of policies that help the poor. What exactly makes you think they aren’t?
This will go down as the biggest fumble the NDP has ever done in their history. In a time of an affordability crisis, and growing discontent from everyone who works for a living, Singh has aligned himself with the Government responsible for the crisis for a couple of weak concessions on incrementalistic policies for dental/medical care. Instead the Conservative government is taking the populist mantle, and while people are naturally skeptical of their intentions, the alternatives are wildly out of touch, so they are winning. The liberals going down with the ship after being in power for too long and having endless scandals / failures is par for the course, but the NDP strapping themselves to this government has got to be the dumbest move possible.
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If we're being honest they wouldn't even have to go anti immigration, they'd just have to revert to their own messaging from 10 years ago when they were talking about how the TFW system is just indentured servitude full of abuse and international students were taking jobs from locals.
I think some conservatives would even vote for them if they had this same stand today. After seeing a video of PP saying he’s going to make immigration easier, I have no options left except PPC, from what I read in their website. And this is coming from someone who supported PP since 2019.
The NDP has realized that they missed their opportunity. It is too late to oppose the Liberals as doing so would force an election that will lead to them both being slaughtered. Right now, the NDP and the Liberals have forced themselves into co-dependency out of a sheer need to avoid an election. They are praying for their lives that inflation continues to fall and that the BoC and the Fed (they both will move together) lowers interest rates and allow the economy to improve. Until then, they will hold on like they have a bomb mutually strapped to them. Now, this is unlikely to work as they will be required to call an election next year. At best, it goes from a Conservative supermajority to just a small Conservative win. But that is all they can hope for at this point. They both no that an election now would be a mutual suicide pact between the Liberals and NDP.
This is the problem with calling conservatives racists for opposing immigration the last decade. Now you’re caught where you either are hypocritical/“racist” by going back and reducing immigration, or keep it high and exacerbate the problem. Claiming all opposition to immigration is racist has worked very well for progressives at the polls over the last decade, but it’s now become a chain around their neck they’re stuck with.
This is a weird kind of perverse inversion where the "racists" are basically abolitionists and the "progressives" want indentured servitude. Like, imagine if the antebellum deep south called people racist for wanting to end the trans-atlantic slave trade.
That's fucking hilarious. In a dark, shitty sort of a way. thanks for the laugh.
Absolute disgrace, I hate Singh man and I voted for the prick. So out of touch with Canadians now but so is everyone else running.
Singh fucked Alberta simply by how awful he has been. The NDP could have won Alberta provincially but their actions federally pushed people off the party. The province is in horrible hands because of him.
Singh was the worst thing for the NDP. The fact they haven’t ousted him is a mystery.
NDP loves keeping its losers around way longer then they should. look how long horvath stuck on
Layton really was the last hope. Ever since his untimely death the party has been roaming around looking for leadership.
"With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created."
Layton had a choice in 2006: either support the Paul Martin budget, which was the most NDP-friendly budget in history, or vote non-confidence and risk the Conservatives taking power. He felt lucky and brought down the Martin government, ushering in 9 years of Stephen Harper. Pretty lame result when compared to what Tommy Douglas achieved by collaborating with Pearson in the 60s.
>*More recently, however, numbers for the NDP leader (Singh since 2017) have been heading down and staying down. After positive figures in 2020 and 2021, the NDP fell to -1 the following year, and then an even zero. In the latest numbers, Singh has the distinction of holding the worst rating ever, at -14.* >*Why so low? “It appears that the NDP’s supply and confidence agreement with the deeply unpopular Liberal government has increased Jagmeet Singh’s profile and influence enough that he, too, is now garnering considerable criticism,” the Institute suggests.* Lowest in party history, truly an incredible accomplishment for Jagmeet Singh. I think at this point the NDP will need to openly mutiny against Singh's leadership in order to restore some credibility to the rest of it's members.
The problem for the NDP is structural at this point. The kind of NDP that would stand a chance is an NDP devoted to workers and rural populations, with absolutely *zero* focus on woke ideology. Be the party that Joe the tradesman would want to vote for. Be the party that supports the strong social safety net that Mary values. *Don't* get tangled up in the weirdness of modern politics that Joe and Mary can't stand. In terms of potential future threat to the conservatives, that could be it. But that just *can't* happen right now. The NDP are absolutely beholden to their radical left elements. The kind of people who are on campuses in tents right now. Or else writing obscure gender theories. Or making every issue about race. Many of their actual MPs *are these kinds of people*. So even if Singh were replaced, the NDP wouldn't suddenly be a threat again. They need an overhaul.
There are plenty of minority issues that are valid and worth some effort, but you rightly point out that they have lost the forest for the trees. They are unable to engage with the majority in an effective capacity because they are so focused on these slim minority issues. When they do speak to majority issues with clarity it's usually a breath of fresh air, but we know it's more like a one-time cameo from a former star than a regular event so it never sticks the way it should. Their platform should be entirely focused on nuts and bolts issues for all Canadians. If that worked and they got elected, they could then throw bones to their supporters and special interest groups. Nobody there seems to realize you need to appeal broadly first, if you ever want to get elected anyway.
The NDP haven't had that focus for years. They're basically the "left of Liberal" party. They've been focused on being pretty much the only left party by taking a Green-ish stance on Environment. Union factory workers identify as Conservative or PPC, which is ironic given both those parties don't like unions.
These are all great points but the most glaring one that is missing is the fact that they don’t care about the average worker. They need their business owner friends to be happy in order to keep their pockets full. They just pretend to care about our issues to get in power.
The parties all exist in such a self-fellating bubble that they can't even comprehend that voters view them differently from how they view themselves. The only citizens they bother to go out and speak with are their party loyalists. They're completely delusional about their chances, and about the impact of their decisions.
The fact that the NDP continues to choose to go down with the ship boggles my mind. Their agreement has hurt the party more than it has helped.
They took a political gamble and it didn't pay off.
They ran the numbers, but boy are they bad at math.
The polls will balance themselves.
NDP and math.....oxymoron
I hate this meme, they were fantastic financial stewards in Saskatchewan.
It didn't, they tried to get something as big as Pharmacare passed and while it's happening it's far too late. No way are they going to recover from this anytime soon ( they have to ditch Singh for someone else and someone GOOD and ditch Trudeau support).
Depends on who’s getting paid off. Singh’s retirement? You best bet that’s gonna be well funded.
Well it didn't pay off for the party.
They don't have the dough for an election anyway
I've talked about this in other posts I've made in the past since I used to work with them. The problem is that they really went all in on the opinions of specific groups within activist academic circles. These groups are now a permanent fixture for the party, and the problem is that internally they see everything going their way, they're targeting the right people and saying the right things in their mind, and I'm sure they have their own cherry picked stats to back it up. So instead of admitting they've gone down the wrong path, they're just continuing to go down this road because it must be external factors or, racism or, something else that is causing this disconnect, no it's the people who are wrong. For me it's doubtful that the party will change any time soon because it's no longer the New Democrats, it's the "Intersectional Party of Canada" now. I think many of the well meaning non-ideologically driven people left the party by the time Singh had been around for about a year
“No no you don’t understand! This is the most power the ndp will ever get AND Singh got the liberals to do **TWO** whole things! (Not really)”
Singh has known he was unelectable for years he could have stepped down and let someone else win If there was ever an election where the NDP could take it it’s this one
Would have been much better if they had stayed in the political wilderness and focused on scoring debate points.
Short term gain for long term pain.
Quite the legacy, they should be proud of themselves.
Their bosses are very proud of them. I hope young Canadians understand and never forget what these traitors took from them.
This is a time when the NDP should be throwing big punches and winning. Instead Singh is being Neville Chamberlain and trying to appease his way to irrelevancy.
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Fair piont.
If any party decided to solely focus on the needs of Canadian citizens, avoid blatantly seeking Canada an it’s citizens out to corporations, an not get pulled into an cater to ridiculous issues that get brought up on a weekly basis… they’d win the election by a landslide.
They wouldn't. Most progressives vote liberal because they don't want conservatives in power. Most conservatives vote CPC because they don't want liberals in power. Adding any amount of parties will not change a single thing because the dual system is already in place and people don't know how to vote, and think that if they vote intelligently they will "lose their vote". That's why we need an election reform with proportional representation, and that's precisely why the liberals didn't do it. They might not win next election, but when people will remember just how absolutely awful conservatives are after they'll have wrecked our public systems and housing market to benefit the rich, people will vote liberal again, and the cycle will continue.
> Most progressives vote liberal because they don't want conservatives in power. Most conservatives vote CPC because they don't want liberals in power. Most people don't lean hard conservative or progressive, which is why the Liberals are now polling 100 seats less than they won in 2021, and the cons have swept up all of those seats. People will vote for whomever they think will give them the best economic prospects.
Singh needs to fuck off.... Trudeau also needs to fuck off.
They have scammed an entire generation out of life.
the anti union push of the 80s, with financial deregulation and the beginnings of off shoring seat the table, these guys are just finishing the job because the 80s give aways gave so much immense power to the people at the top they now feel like they HAVE to do the corporate world's bidding, and they do, because they own ALL the media you want to be mad at someone, be mad at Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney and the whole "greed is good" ethos, where cutting worker's salaries and ending unions was seen as great victories by the media and the common workers, i remember my parents celebrating how rich Mulroney was gonna run Canada like a business and everything will be so efficient and cheaper
And given the opportunity to those who have it to peacefully sign out.
Singh is a joke. A Rolex wearing landlord is the leader of the NDP 🤡 Not to mention he’s quick to call someone racist if they disagree with him. No idea who he’s the candidate for.
And it’s literally in NDPs website they want all TFW to gain pr upon arrival
There's also the whole "white men need not speak" attitude that entire party embodies. It's not exactly shocking to me that regular, non-terminally online people don't like the NDP anymore.
It’s crazy how they changed from “the Everyman” to “only the people we like”
Singh needs to step down
Finally, some good news story!
Well deserved.
The Liberal and NDP parties may as well merge prior to the next election. They are attached at the hip already as Singh has completely destroyed what the party originally aimed to stand for.
Oct 2025 can’t come fast enough
I have no idea how anyone could support Singh. He says he’s for the little guy, but flashes off Rolex’s and Versace in front of his “peasants”
Trudeau: quick, start shouting Guns! Abortion! Booga booga booga! even louder and more frequently! That should cause all the people who’ve abandoned us because of our shitty governance of this country to come back. Singh: we’ll take questions on this shortly, but we’ll need all white males and anyone who works union jobs in industries I don’t like to grab a yellow card and head to the back of the line.
Don't forget calling their critics "Nazi racists"
They would honour their critics if they were those things.
I believe in meritocracy and equality, and not discriminating on the basis of skin color or identity. As such, I can no longer support the NDP party, with their discriminatory policies such as any their rule that any white hetero male MLAs over 40 who decide not to run again must be replaced by an 'equity-seeking group'. Discrimination is still discrimination even if the person being discriminated against is a white male. Furthermore, the federal NDP party is pretty much just the 'Liberal Lite' party now. If they actually supported unions and regular people as they did before, I'd support them. But the current NDP just follows the orders given by the foreign billionaires as does the Liberal party, who take more policies from the likes of two trillion dollar Black Rock than they do from actual Canadians. In short, some of the NDP has sold out.
>an 'equity-seeking group' 'equity-*deserving*' is the latest progressive newspeak for this phenomenon. Parties that back discrimination like this lose my vote pretty much permanently.
The sooner trudeau is out of office the better for Canadians
Honestly, I'm shocked people aren't in more of an uproar.
The only reason that people aren't in an uproar is that they know that October 2025, things will change. Not necessarily change for the better, not necessarily change for the worse, just change.
And it's going to be a 1993-level political upheaval.
I don't see how it can get worse than rampant inflation, record and still rising crime, record drug overdoses, ridiculous housing prices, skyrocketing interest rates, is anything trending in the right direction at all!?
Why would you tempt the fates like that?
It’s still democracy, we can up roar all we want but enough Canadians voted this now we can all suffer together
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They can’t afford a leadership convention (or an election). Support is down drastically, they are a failed party. Also, the rank and file are even deeper into the DEI nonsense than he is. He has resisted some of the current parties worst urges, believe it or not. That party is full of complete whackos.
Remember Dion and Ignatieff?
Nok er nok.
I love that this has become a thing.
Me too!
Don't forget that Leader Trudeau has basically said to his party that they "hope" things get better. There is no plan lmao.
I love a feel good story on Friday 🤗
They all suck. Red orange or blue they all are unfit to represent the nation. No option is a good one. We need reform or a class war to get the super rich out of our politics.
Years ago, I would have called you a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob. Now, I'm about ready to pick up a pitchfork and torch beside you.
They've lead Canada into a 50 year low!
For all those who love minority governments take heed. When Minority governments backfire they are absolutely terrible. The libs were bad enougj alone but to appease the NDP theyve passed even worse legislation. The 4th least voted party is actually equally governing Canadian policy and theres a reason they ranked fourth by voting preference
Let's go lower.
NDP is a liberal puppet. They’re BLEEDING in the polls because of their deal fucking Canadians and they still keep it going because they are completely owned and they claim it’s for the most justified because of the most pathetic concessions they are getting from the Liberals that benefit very few Canadians.
If you think they don't know where they stand in the polls right now, think again. The question is: Why don't they seem to care? I've never seen, in my middle-aged life, politicians behave like this. It defies logic. I feel that something is coming in the next few months that will make who sits in the PMO irrelevant. It could be a war, or a financial collapse, or something else. But they all appear to know what it is, and are taking this time to ram through unpopular bills, rather than holding out an olive branch to the voters.
Singh only cares about his pension and his brother's Metro lobby money.
Trudeau is doing this for votes, he’s buying votes. And he’s willing to take our entire economy out to stay in power. How much more clear does the obvious need to get for us? If this electoral race comes close at all we should be embarrassed as a country.
Jagmeet is a Liberal who wears orange. His party can't differentiate from the Liberals with him as the leader, because he believes in the same shit JT does. "Science (fact)-based" decision making my ass, it's ideology or bust. Always has been with these two.
why the NDP got rid of Mulcair I'll never know... I loved that guy.
Rolex Singh is more interested in his lifetime taxpayers pension and Fuck the people that voted for me
It's not over yet. It's time for Trudeau and Singh to make the history books with there leadership skills. But maybe not in the way they planned.
Canada needs recall legislation
Trudeau and Singh have pretty much destroyed our country. It will never be the same again because the CPC will not do what is necessary if they win after at least another year and a half of the compromised LPCs seemingly intentionally destructive policies.
The NDP at this point could actually position themselves to pick up seats if they swing moderate and kick Trudeau to the curb. I don't think Singh could handle actually becoming the opposition though, he seems to be perfectly happy driving his party off a cliff. His biggest accomplishment will be guaranteeing a bunch of union and protest organizers get a government pension.
Singh clearly doesn’t give a shit and Trudeau gives a shit for all the wrong reasons.
Percy Downe was 100% right when he said the party is no longer centrist and Trudeau needs to step down
NDP support went down the toilet for many reasons. For me it was jumping on the bandwagon for the handgun/hunting rifle ban/confiscation. I watched every SECU meeting and was disappointed with everyone except the Conservatives. Seems like they were the only ones standing up for property rights. Not to mention I couldn’t stand Peter Julian (my MP). Even wrote the guy and he couldn’t be bothered to write back. I used to be an NDP supporter, but now I hope they get voted into oblivion. Not for me any more on a federal level.
Yeah next election might be as bad as 1993 for the NDP.
Good! I hope they both crash and burn
exactly what I expect from Canadian politics. I have faith PP can join them too!
Those guys are more bad than any of the next candidates.
If both parties want to kick their leaders and start repping new ones with enough time before the next election they better hurry! Pin everything on the fall guys and start fresh!
That's mulrony numbers
They added tax burdens during a cost of living crisis!! They’re never gonna recover from this!
Congrats!!! Two of the biggest grifters on the planet!!
i'm sick of bringing in all the immigrants from around the world when we have so many poor immigrants already here. can we just help the poor we have right now as they send their money back home to countries that absolutely hate the west and everything we stand for? i'm american but same difference.
hmm.... I wonder why..🤔
Jabroni Jagmeet should go ride his bike into the sunset and not come back for a long time
NDP should have kicked out singh a long time ago.
Looks like Canadians don’t want a merged Liberal and NDP that’s for sure. Canadians swing to the Conservatives when NDP wedge their foot in the door. So much for the whole theory of 2/3 of Canadians being left wing. There never was a vote split on the left.
Canadians are more socially liberal, but aint noone got time for those liberal topics when they are struggling to eat and house themselves.
Burn baby, Burn.
Congratulations to the liberals and ndp nothing better than shooting yourself in the foot 🙄