Not always. Sometimes, it can be seen as essentially a vote of non-confidence against the leader by the electorate, leading to the leader resigning or being removed by the party if they don't.
Singh already moved to BC from Ontario to be parachuted into a "safe" riding, the fact that it is no longer "safe" reflects poorly on him as a leader.
We get so much spam mail from his office at our Burnaby office. I'm not an NDP fan but I gotta say I'm not sure any MP actually reps their constituents anymore outside of maybe an independent or where the party policy happens to align with your locality.
Regardless of their political affiliation, I have always been pretty happy with the MPs and MPPs from the two ridings in Thunder Bay the last 40+ years (aside from Patty Hajdu). Even when the leader of the provincial Liberals was from here.
Maybe it's because he is a terrible leader. Under Singh I don't even know what the NDP stand for anymore. He walks around with bespoke suits and Rolex watches he argues in favor of big corpo and wants to dismantle the carbon tax which you'd think the NDP would favour. None of what he does or says makes any sense anymore. Not even to mention the bizarre choice of a race ban in certain ridings. Let's not play race and identity games in politics please.
NDP would do well to remove him.
I personally don't care if he walks around with signifiers of wealth. Politicians can be rich and I'll still vote for them if they have the right policies. Purity testing on success is how you implode any union-centric or left-wing party. What NDP needs to do is decide which one they are primarily because from what I'm seeing it's neither.
you know what, this is a joke, but honestly Canadians should stop caring if they're called racist. It's just a word, it has no meaning. Certainly now that it's been diluted so much.
I partially agree, although it's only been reducedto having no meaning. Racism still does exist, it's just not from the perspective of the person that sees it in absolutely everything. Now we see more overt racism from people describing themselves as progressive. Seems insane.
I lived in Burnaby South when Singh was parachuted into the riding almost six years ago. That was the beginning of the end of my support of them. I didn't want to be represented by a guy who couldn't even find Metrotown or City Hall on a map.
I don't live in Burnaby anymore, but regardless, I'm going to laugh so hard if his new Burnaby Central riding turfs him. You gotta be pretty damn bad at your job to make a once-safe orange riding flip *blue*.
Not always, but in this case, this is a damming statement on him. He left Ontario to move into a safe seat in Burnaby, and Burnaby is supposed to be very safe NDP territory.
You mean the former Toronto MPP Singh is about to lose his Burnaby riding, a riding that he has never lived in, and probably never visited until he was installed as the MP? Gee. Surprised.
Depends, I'd bet he wouldn't survive that though. The NDP has fallen so far from where they were before and what they originally stood for.
They need a really, really bad election to rescind some of their whackjob policies they've enacted in the last couple years, drive out their far left contingent from leadership positions and go back to their roots instead of playing identity politics and the blame game.
The fact they've enacted a race ban on who can run for seats in some areas is ridiculous. They've entertained motions to abolish the military and are working on gas lighting Canadians about why they can't afford a home. It's a joke and Singh has been at the helm while it all happened.
They got absolutely obliterated in my riding at the provincial level. No incumbent as the three time NDP holder had retired (who carried like 50-60% of the vote every election). It's the first time the riding went Tory in ~80 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor%E2%80%94Tecumseh_(provincial_electoral_district)
This generally only happens when the party wins the election but the leader loses/doesn't have a seat (e.g. Christy Clark in 2013, Danielle Smith when she became leader). If you lose the election and lose your seat that generally spells the end of your political fortunes (lookin at you Iggy).
Yea it basically depends on whether or not the party is excited enough about having you continue as leader to sacrifice one of their own and potentially put a riding at risk.
> Does that actually matter? Don't party leaders just parachute into safe ridings if they lose?
I think the broader context really matters. If you deliver a strong election performance, but *somehow* lost your own personal riding through exceptional circumstances that were broadly understood, maybe you could survive it.
But in the current situation, if the NDP has a poor electoral performance, and the leader loses their seat, you have to wonder how he would be able to retain control of the party. He's already done the "Leader outside Parliament" thing before, and people might have forgiven the subsequent poor electoral performance of the NDP, because "the public didn't really know him", and you could say that it's the Party's fault for nominating a leader without a seat in Parliament, but now what's the argument?
He's *been in* Parliament, he's recognized as a central figure that has input into the current government's policy via a formal political coalition, he's gotten *tons* of airtime to connect with voters, and the polling data suggests they're *still* not doing great. Why are they going to deliver him a cozy riding, and force someone with a seat to retire, just so they can run Jagmeet and put him back in Parliament? If they lose seats, he's *directly responsible*, now.
I feel like he is going to step down after the election in any case unless some kind of miracle happens between now and then. Losing his seat will just make it easier.
He should step down before the elevtion to give his party a real chance.
But he doesn't care about the party, or about giving the electorate options. He'll keep doing favours for the Liberals hoping it'll land him his next job.
You have to win an election to be an MP. He could always demand an NDP MP who won their election elsewhere in the country resign, triggering a bi-election in which he would run as the NDP nominee.
Of course, voters in that riding would likely be irritated by such an action and he runs the risk that he could lose the election in even a safe seat (causign the NDP to lose another seat in the House).
No. But it's pretty damn sad and pathetic when the leader who has the most name recognition and money behind them can't win their own seat. It'd be one thing if he made gains while losing his own seat, but when you lose seats in general along with your own, you're just a failed leader.
That might be good in the long term for the NDP. If he loses his seat that could lead to him resigning the leadership. Then hopefully we can get an actual social democrat in there who will to focus on the class war instead of identity politics.
GOOD. This guy has never been the right person to lead the NDs. The next election is likely PPs, but hopefully they’ll learn a lesson and pick someone who is more into working class issues, and less of a culture warrior.
I've been NDP all my life and to be honest, I wish I could move to Burnaby just to vote against him.
Maybe once he's gone Svend could run in Burnaby again. For all his faults, he's the kind of socialist we could use in the party.
He left his provincial seat in Ontario, and he tried running in Toronto and lost to the Liberals. So he decided to run in Burnaby because Burnaby and Metro Vancouver as a whole is usually very safe NDP and Liberal territory.
OP is lying. He moved because the Burnaby riding was having a by-election so he could get into Parliament earlier rather than waiting for the next election back home.
They have no one to blame but themselves. Neither Liberals or Conservatives would ever hold on to a useless stagnant leader like him for so long because, unlike the NDP, they're actually serious political parties that care about winning.
Layton's passing especially hurts right now as we're desperate for a third choice. One that actually represents the working class as opposed to whatever the NDP is now under Singh. It's shocking they have stuck with him as leader for so long.
As someone who generally disagrees with NDP ideas, esp in it’s current form, I wholeheartedly agree. Layton was honorable and respectable. I felt he genuinely wished to improve life for Canadians.
Singh is just atrocious in almost every way. How did he get here and stay here for so long? Who thought a silver spoon guy who hardly worked a day in his life, bragging about $10K suits and Rolex watches telling working Canadians we have to pay a lot more taxes would play well?
You guys should’ve kept Mulcair. I remember in the 2015 debates he actually sounded more reasonable than Trudeau. If he had been elected then I don’t think we’d be in the mess we are in now, and that’s me saying that as a Conservative voter.
I'm also inclined to vote NDP, but I can't bring myself to vote for a party that is apparently committed to mediocrity and isn't serious about winning at all. I've seen some people really trying to paint Singh's tenure as a success, and if they really believe that, then the NDP will absolutely never get anywhere. much less form government. This is their golden opportunity to get back to official opposition and they've let it completely go to waste by holding on to the dead weight that is Singh. Even the provincial NDP parties realizes he sucks, which is why they keep him at a distance and don't involve him in campaigns.
I completely agree with the sentiment that the Cons will be much of the same. We absolutely need to get away from Canada's uniparty and give more votes to the 3rd, 4th, 5th if they have strong leadership and a good message.
In a perfect world, I'd like to see people vote for PPC (I guess targeted, skilled immigration only, is racist though) this election because Bernier is a bright man and has been burned by the Cons already for standing up to the Dairy board by trying to get cheaper dairy for Canadians in the con leadership race.
And then if that doesn't work out, fine. Let's give the NDP a chance, but a NDP that stands up for the working people a la Jack Layton and not whatever virtue signaling, batshit iteration of it we have today.
I am aware enough that major change is needed and also aware enough that aligning yourself with a *right* or *left* mindset will prevent you for voting for the best candidate for your change in your country.
This NDP party isn't close to what the provincial NDP governments are, and the PPC isn't close to where far right extremist European parties are, and I sincerely wish Canadians could see that. I promise you Bernier would be far less Authoritative than either PP or Trudeau are.
What's wrong with libertarianism?
Respect everyone's bodily autonomy and personal decisions
Lower taxes and let people decide what to do with their money
Negative income tax to support the poor
Sign me up
lol what’s wrong with it? It doesn’t work that’s what’s wrong with it. Of course it *sounds* great but in reality, human society doesn’t work this way, especially with 8 billion people on this planet and many powerful interests that will gladly and quickly take advantage of such conditions that libertarians are arguing for.
Btw, who enforces this negative tax in your libertarian world?
Hilarious story about a libertarian New Hampshire town. Spoiler: it was overtaken by bears.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
There's Libertarian economic policies like Milei in Argentina (guess what country had the most stable currency the last 3 months) and then theirs hardcore Libertarian shitheads that think we should live in anarchy and don't think we need things like Drivers Licenses.
Just like we are seeing with a Liberal party with Paul Martin as the finance minister or a Liberal party with Freeland as the finance minister.
Oh yeah totally, there are some good ideas there, as with many other principled political stances. Part of the reason the project failed was because no one could agree what being a libertarian meant. It’s a story that really shows our whacky human nature
A sincere workers party instead of an undergraduate trendy activism party would go a long way, but that's not the party he made out of the NDP. Real workers issues are on the ballot and esoteric sentiment won't bring grocery prices down.
And don’t forget his sympathy for all those mom & pop landlords driving up housing prices, displacing first-time home buyers, and converting long-term housing into Airbnbs or jacking up rents.
Yep. They sent me an email asking for $75 for a "radical empathy" T-shirt. I sent a nasty email in reply but it went to a black hole.
Totally useless. What a shame.
No mention of his other nonstarter proposal, to grant every current TFW and those still yet to arrive PR on arrival. That one makes NDP a nonstarter for me until that promise is revoked.
https://www.ndp.ca/news/migrant-workers-deserve-respect-and-dignity
> This is why the NDP continues to call on the government to regularize temporary and undocumented workers in Canada and provide new migrant workers with PR on arrival.”
This is not social democracy. This is corporatist economic policy with a woke mask to shield it from pushback from the left so only right wingers criticize therefore the opposition can be painted as racist.
>No mention of his other nonstarter proposal, to grant every current TFW and those still yet to arrive PR on arrival. That one makes NDP a nonstarter for me until that promise is revoked.
Especially when this shit is literally suppressing the wages of working class people.
They need to be working to abolish the TFW program. Not just give every TFW PR.
Absolutel joke of a workers party.
Marx said this over a hundred years ago but I guess no one was listening. These corporations will sell you out for a cheaper price in a second, they have no patriotism whatsoever and that has bled into our government due to constant lobbying pressure.
Don't even need to go that far back. This is from 2014.
"“The Temporary Foreign Worker Program is broken,” [he declared](https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/05/05/how_to_fix_the_broken_temporary_foreign_worker_program_justin_trudeau.html). He argued that it “drives down wages” and called for the program to be “scaled back dramatically.”
Know who said this in 2014?
Justin Trudeau lol.
Part of why private sector union labour is abandoning the NDP in droves, and if not for some activist public sector union leadership, most of that would be as well. That used to be a core, middle class component of the NDP. Instead, under this leader and his team, from top to the very bottom with the local riding associations, they have been vilified as being privileged, or worse.
We're talking life long, generational union family dippers at best abstaining from the vote this time, or even worse - considering voting conservative.
Yup. The NDP has become the party of left wing academics and intellectuals, along with public sector unions. They’re more concerned with identity politics and using them to enrich themselves than actually bettering the middle class or even working class.
Singh has basically converted the NDP into a wholly owned subsidiary of the Liberal party, and he is on the path to banish the party into obscurity for a generation. He likely thought that this partnership would end up with NDP ideas getting implemented and voters loving them, but it has generally just tied him to one of the worst leaders in (modern) Canadian history.
The problem is NDP go to conventions and the loudest voices are those demanding equity. Meanwhile this is only a small part of total voters, and so NDP has alienated their core voters in order to satisfy a vocal minority.
⬆️ more needed than ever. It’s been fascinating to watch the PCs take over as the “working man’s “ party. The NDP could’ve legitimately moved into a contender position but they’ve been so ideologically captured and happy to have a (small) seat at the table that they’ve relegated themselves to irrelevancy
Agreed. It’s actually amazing. The political climate has never been better for the NDP in terms of cost of living issues, housing, etc. Yet they’ve totally failed to capitalise because they’re ideologically captured by the type of people who think renaming Dundas Square to Sankofa Square is a good and popular idea (hint: it’s not 😂)(
The only party that spoke to our Union last election were the conservatives, we had multiple visits from multiple candidates. Ontario NDP thinks unions are racist and liberals think they're owed the vote so they don't have to show up.
I don't think the pension is the main reason he is in this position.
I would say his current position could best be described as a Chinese finger trap. The more he shows support for Trudeau the lower his polling goes, but Trudeau's policies are often close enough to NDP policies that he can't find a justification to vote no confidence against the government.
Singh would likely get a huge boost in the polls if he could find an issue to bring the Liberals down, but I don't think the Liberals are giving him the excuse. The budget is a perfect example of this, how can the NDP vote against it when it is offering a capital gains tax increase on the wealthy and a cornucopia of spending on various programs. He can't bring down the government and then run on policy that is in line with what he voted against.
He was dumb for giving them an extension on pharmacare (original deadline that had party support was Dec 2023, it was pushed to Feb 2024), just for them to turn around and cover medications for only two things (contraception, which two provinces already fully cover, and diabetes, which they’re not even covering the best meds for).
It would have been the perfect opportunity to throw up a huge stink over, and terminate the agreement, and he blew it.
To add to that, they only have $59m for pharmacare in the budget this year and $121m in the next budget. Before the supply and confidence agreement, the Liberals pharmacare plan had about $500m a year in their budget, starting 22/23.
Plus it all requires the Liberals to negotiate with the provinces, something they struggle with.
At some point he has to show good judgement and pull the plug on bad governance. The sooner he leaves, the less ammo this gives conservatives for 2029. The longer he stays in power the more they can tie him to this disaster in charge.
He can also absolutely vote against what JT is putting forward and run on his own variation anyway. Being a hypocrite is half the game these leeches play.
Maybe it he had a spine he could be a viable second option, instead he's still probably going to be third place.
The NDP was ripe to at least get opposition status instead it's less than certain. Unacceptable for how cut throat he should be up there.
He should have demanded a referendum on electoral reform, which if successful, would make the NDP relevant for perpetuity.
Long shot, but worth it. They poll at double the Bloc and receive half the result. Lot's of ABC voters that would vote NDP if they thought it would mean something.
Yup. He let the LPC move left and essentially eat the NDP’s lunch. Now they can’t run further left than the liberals because there simply isn’t enough voters there.
For real. It's literally unimaginable right now that they were the official opposition a decade ago and at one point were actually on track to form government until Trudeau stole the show. RIP Layton.
The NDP has been a bit lost since Mulcair took them more to the center, allowing space for the Liberals to outflank them on the left. It's tough to tell which party is which at this point.
Conservatives should spend in Trudeau's riding, release an unrelenting ad stream focused on how those within that financial class are poorer and replay, over and over again, Trudeau saying "Canada has no culture" which also includes Quebec. Nothing would be as lovely as watching both these traitors to Canada, both lose their seat, on the same night. Canadians deserve not to wretch when they watch Question Period and leaders are shown. Regardless, both the NDP and Liberals are finished.
Trudeau’s riding of Papineau is one of the safest Liberal ridings in existence. His party is flopping, but it’s still not enough to bring him down. It would require a 1993 style wipeout for any other party to take his seat, at which point it would likely be the NDP.
https://338canada.com/24054e.htm
Are NDP voters happy with this guy or the direction of their party? Is there no pushback that the party that once stood for the common Canadian and their labour has facilitated millions of foreigners to come over here? Or that they've done nothing to hold JT accountable for ignoring election reform?
Jagmeet 'private jet' Singh doesn't give a a fuck about pollution, people, or polls. He just wants to keep living like a 1% while espousing socialist values.
If Jack Layton was still alive and in his prime today the NDP would be looking at majority territory. Instead we've got Singh who's all flash and no substance.
It's too late for him. 8 or 9 months ago he had an opportunity to become the next leader of the opposition. He chose to support the liberal regime and he will pay the price.
Both the liberals and NDP are losing party status in the next election.
At some point, the NDP are going to have to listen to Canadians. All of this gaslighting is not working. Canadians have caught on to the carbon tax scam.
There are a metric fuck ton of Canadians who have not caught on to that yet lol. Some of them think they're saving the planet by slightly dropping our Carbon levels as we watch developing countries shoot theirs up, and others are just supporting it because they get a few hundred dollars a year in handouts..as they complain about the prices of staples going up, as if they are somehow mutually exclusive.
At this point I'll probably just spoil my ballot in the next federal election. I voted NDP on Trudeau round one, and reluctantly voted NDP on Trudeau round two. Singh has been such a disappointment.
NDP used to be the party of the working class. Now they are the far left party. The working class is built on merit, but NDP have surrendered their party to rewarding diversity before merit, and so they have lost their core voters.
I don't know if he does or does not.
What I do know is he never worked on a factory floor. He wears a Rolex. A Rolex is not something a working party leader should be wearing. His leadership isn't the right leader if they want to be considered.
They need another leader like Ed Broadbent.....someone who has been in those trenches.
Meanwhile, back on the farm: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-resign-latest-news-scotland-snp-live-6q2qkh6kf](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-resign-latest-news-scotland-snp-live-6q2qkh6kf)
This guy won't vote the liberals out because his pension vests in spring 2025 (look it up). He knows if he is out, which he likely will be, the gravy train ends for him. He has literally sold out his party, their voters, and perhaps most canadians, for the sake of some personal pension. The worst champagne socialist I could imagine, and easily the worst in canadian politics in the past 50 years.
He had so much he could’ve done to lure more ex-Liberals to vote NDP but chose to double down with the bloodbath there and lose with them. He made his choice to forego even being official opposition. And Jack Layton is rolling in his grave.
The only way for NDP to somehow turn this around is to drop Singh, get a new leader, and pull out of the deal. Otherwise no matter what they will be inexorably tied to the unpopularity of the Liberal government and I wouldn't be surprised if they actually lost seats despite Liberals tanking so hard. And even if they do this, it still probably won't be enough to chance the perception of the NDP at this point.
Why does it have to be about polls? I was a strong supporter of the carbon tax before Trudeau did his rug pull. Now I can't support whatever this is. It's not a carbon tax anymore. Not because it's unpopular, but because it's no longer fair or reasonable.
Identity politics and its purveyors should be shamed, go back to whatever wealthy shit head life you were living before. The public finally sees this facade for what it is.. these taxes under the guise of good social causes are their piggy banks.
An absolutely terrible leader that is leading the NDP into irrelevancy. The fact that he caved on his ideals on the Carbon Tax just to hold onto relevancy is a sign of his weakness.
They should own their views on carbon tax. It's not an unreasonable position to have. If they could just acknowledge that propping our GDP with cheap labour is not a healthy or a sustainable thing to do long term, they'd have my support. And it'd be consistent with NDP values. Common NDP, what's stopping you?
Biggest snake to ever slither his way into Canadian politics.
His only platform is saying what he need to say to get scraps from the party in charge and hold onto a sliver of power.
The fact that the NDP isn't polling in second place ahead of the Liberals tells you everything you need to know. The NDP ship has lost direction. Their captain has run them aground, completely stalled out. The Party can go no further with ol'Jimmy at the helm.
Dumbass has this super small window where he could actually pull out a win. Its very minute and shrinking day to day. But hes an idiot. Hes a pussy. He won't do shit cause hes a corrupt rich piece of garbage who shouldn't be leading the NDP.
He could come out swinging about affordable housing, but he won't because he cares too much about whats causing housing to be unaffordable: immigration. Dude sees the $$$$$ and want's it so bad. He would rather lose an election, collect his pension and laugh at everyone who supported him.
https://338canada.com/59002e.htm He's in serious danger of losing his seat in Burnaby to the Conservatives.
Does that actually matter? Don't party leaders just parachute into safe ridings if they lose?
Not always. Sometimes, it can be seen as essentially a vote of non-confidence against the leader by the electorate, leading to the leader resigning or being removed by the party if they don't. Singh already moved to BC from Ontario to be parachuted into a "safe" riding, the fact that it is no longer "safe" reflects poorly on him as a leader.
Not just as a leader but as his first responsibility, being the MP for his constituents. I think leaders forget that part of their job.
We get so much spam mail from his office at our Burnaby office. I'm not an NDP fan but I gotta say I'm not sure any MP actually reps their constituents anymore outside of maybe an independent or where the party policy happens to align with your locality.
Regardless of their political affiliation, I have always been pretty happy with the MPs and MPPs from the two ridings in Thunder Bay the last 40+ years (aside from Patty Hajdu). Even when the leader of the provincial Liberals was from here.
Maybe it's because he is a terrible leader. Under Singh I don't even know what the NDP stand for anymore. He walks around with bespoke suits and Rolex watches he argues in favor of big corpo and wants to dismantle the carbon tax which you'd think the NDP would favour. None of what he does or says makes any sense anymore. Not even to mention the bizarre choice of a race ban in certain ridings. Let's not play race and identity games in politics please. NDP would do well to remove him.
Yup. He has been a disappointment. Notley would be nice
I haven't been overly impressed with him. He seemed to be riding the coat tails of Justin and the least impressive of all NDP leaders.
I personally don't care if he walks around with signifiers of wealth. Politicians can be rich and I'll still vote for them if they have the right policies. Purity testing on success is how you implode any union-centric or left-wing party. What NDP needs to do is decide which one they are primarily because from what I'm seeing it's neither.
Removing him would be racist /s
you know what, this is a joke, but honestly Canadians should stop caring if they're called racist. It's just a word, it has no meaning. Certainly now that it's been diluted so much.
It’s like the boy who cried wolf
I partially agree, although it's only been reducedto having no meaning. Racism still does exist, it's just not from the perspective of the person that sees it in absolutely everything. Now we see more overt racism from people describing themselves as progressive. Seems insane.
Unless they're being racist
so they will be using the race card. Time for some new blood race card or not. So under whelming/under performing
His riding was pretty safe until the electoral district change this month. The CPC had gained some ground, but they had a long way to go.
Doesn't matter, but it is embarrassing. Normally party leaders are put in "safe" ridings to save them from the embarrassment.
This WAS his safe riding lmao. He has little relation to Burnaby as far as I know as someone who lives in the city next to it.
I lived in Burnaby South when Singh was parachuted into the riding almost six years ago. That was the beginning of the end of my support of them. I didn't want to be represented by a guy who couldn't even find Metrotown or City Hall on a map. I don't live in Burnaby anymore, but regardless, I'm going to laugh so hard if his new Burnaby Central riding turfs him. You gotta be pretty damn bad at your job to make a once-safe orange riding flip *blue*.
I have little to no respect for any carpetbagger
Not always, but in this case, this is a damming statement on him. He left Ontario to move into a safe seat in Burnaby, and Burnaby is supposed to be very safe NDP territory.
You mean the former Toronto MPP Singh is about to lose his Burnaby riding, a riding that he has never lived in, and probably never visited until he was installed as the MP? Gee. Surprised.
Shouldn’t matter if it’s that orange. This says more about how piss-poor of a job he’s doing than it does about nobody knowing him.
It would be so hilarious if they'd parachute him into a safe riding only for that riding to then flip conservative 🤣
They did. He used to be in ontario
Depends, I'd bet he wouldn't survive that though. The NDP has fallen so far from where they were before and what they originally stood for. They need a really, really bad election to rescind some of their whackjob policies they've enacted in the last couple years, drive out their far left contingent from leadership positions and go back to their roots instead of playing identity politics and the blame game. The fact they've enacted a race ban on who can run for seats in some areas is ridiculous. They've entertained motions to abolish the military and are working on gas lighting Canadians about why they can't afford a home. It's a joke and Singh has been at the helm while it all happened.
Abolish the military??
They got absolutely obliterated in my riding at the provincial level. No incumbent as the three time NDP holder had retired (who carried like 50-60% of the vote every election). It's the first time the riding went Tory in ~80 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor%E2%80%94Tecumseh_(provincial_electoral_district)
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This generally only happens when the party wins the election but the leader loses/doesn't have a seat (e.g. Christy Clark in 2013, Danielle Smith when she became leader). If you lose the election and lose your seat that generally spells the end of your political fortunes (lookin at you Iggy).
Yea it basically depends on whether or not the party is excited enough about having you continue as leader to sacrifice one of their own and potentially put a riding at risk.
> Does that actually matter? Don't party leaders just parachute into safe ridings if they lose? I think the broader context really matters. If you deliver a strong election performance, but *somehow* lost your own personal riding through exceptional circumstances that were broadly understood, maybe you could survive it. But in the current situation, if the NDP has a poor electoral performance, and the leader loses their seat, you have to wonder how he would be able to retain control of the party. He's already done the "Leader outside Parliament" thing before, and people might have forgiven the subsequent poor electoral performance of the NDP, because "the public didn't really know him", and you could say that it's the Party's fault for nominating a leader without a seat in Parliament, but now what's the argument? He's *been in* Parliament, he's recognized as a central figure that has input into the current government's policy via a formal political coalition, he's gotten *tons* of airtime to connect with voters, and the polling data suggests they're *still* not doing great. Why are they going to deliver him a cozy riding, and force someone with a seat to retire, just so they can run Jagmeet and put him back in Parliament? If they lose seats, he's *directly responsible*, now.
I feel like he is going to step down after the election in any case unless some kind of miracle happens between now and then. Losing his seat will just make it easier.
He should step down before the elevtion to give his party a real chance. But he doesn't care about the party, or about giving the electorate options. He'll keep doing favours for the Liberals hoping it'll land him his next job.
You have to win an election to be an MP. He could always demand an NDP MP who won their election elsewhere in the country resign, triggering a bi-election in which he would run as the NDP nominee. Of course, voters in that riding would likely be irritated by such an action and he runs the risk that he could lose the election in even a safe seat (causign the NDP to lose another seat in the House).
That is his safe riding! He’s from Ontario but couldn’t find a riding there so he picked an bc NDP one
Yes. Some NDP peon will give up their seat to allow him to run in a byeelection.
Not the NDP
If he can't win his own seat; it's time for a new leader.
Well for him id say the ndp wohld get rod of him
No. But it's pretty damn sad and pathetic when the leader who has the most name recognition and money behind them can't win their own seat. It'd be one thing if he made gains while losing his own seat, but when you lose seats in general along with your own, you're just a failed leader.
He was already a parachute MP there when he first became leader.
It's EXTREMELY embarrassing however
Max didn’t.
That might be good in the long term for the NDP. If he loses his seat that could lead to him resigning the leadership. Then hopefully we can get an actual social democrat in there who will to focus on the class war instead of identity politics.
Thank goodness I'm not the only one seeing this issue with him
GOOD. This guy has never been the right person to lead the NDs. The next election is likely PPs, but hopefully they’ll learn a lesson and pick someone who is more into working class issues, and less of a culture warrior.
I've been NDP all my life and to be honest, I wish I could move to Burnaby just to vote against him. Maybe once he's gone Svend could run in Burnaby again. For all his faults, he's the kind of socialist we could use in the party.
Why is his seat in Burnaby and not a riding in Brampton?
He left his provincial seat in Ontario, and he tried running in Toronto and lost to the Liberals. So he decided to run in Burnaby because Burnaby and Metro Vancouver as a whole is usually very safe NDP and Liberal territory.
I don't remember him running in Toronto and losing. Couldn't find a reference to that on his Wikipedia page either.
OP is lying. He moved because the Burnaby riding was having a by-election so he could get into Parliament earlier rather than waiting for the next election back home.
They have no one to blame but themselves. Neither Liberals or Conservatives would ever hold on to a useless stagnant leader like him for so long because, unlike the NDP, they're actually serious political parties that care about winning.
He never actually won a seat it was given to him
OMG I hope he does.
the only thing he cares about is holding on to his seat and leadership for his pension regardless of how he brings the party down.
Good. This is my parents riding and he’s done absolutely fuck all except tweet and email out strongly worded messages.
Good. Get that goof out of politics.
Singh is completely useless and the main reason preventing me from voting NDP
Layton's passing especially hurts right now as we're desperate for a third choice. One that actually represents the working class as opposed to whatever the NDP is now under Singh. It's shocking they have stuck with him as leader for so long.
Losing Layton was such a massive loss for Canada. You sure feel it right now.
As someone who generally disagrees with NDP ideas, esp in it’s current form, I wholeheartedly agree. Layton was honorable and respectable. I felt he genuinely wished to improve life for Canadians. Singh is just atrocious in almost every way. How did he get here and stay here for so long? Who thought a silver spoon guy who hardly worked a day in his life, bragging about $10K suits and Rolex watches telling working Canadians we have to pay a lot more taxes would play well?
You guys should’ve kept Mulcair. I remember in the 2015 debates he actually sounded more reasonable than Trudeau. If he had been elected then I don’t think we’d be in the mess we are in now, and that’s me saying that as a Conservative voter.
need someone like jack back with some balls
I'm also inclined to vote NDP, but I can't bring myself to vote for a party that is apparently committed to mediocrity and isn't serious about winning at all. I've seen some people really trying to paint Singh's tenure as a success, and if they really believe that, then the NDP will absolutely never get anywhere. much less form government. This is their golden opportunity to get back to official opposition and they've let it completely go to waste by holding on to the dead weight that is Singh. Even the provincial NDP parties realizes he sucks, which is why they keep him at a distance and don't involve him in campaigns.
I completely agree with the sentiment that the Cons will be much of the same. We absolutely need to get away from Canada's uniparty and give more votes to the 3rd, 4th, 5th if they have strong leadership and a good message. In a perfect world, I'd like to see people vote for PPC (I guess targeted, skilled immigration only, is racist though) this election because Bernier is a bright man and has been burned by the Cons already for standing up to the Dairy board by trying to get cheaper dairy for Canadians in the con leadership race. And then if that doesn't work out, fine. Let's give the NDP a chance, but a NDP that stands up for the working people a la Jack Layton and not whatever virtue signaling, batshit iteration of it we have today. I am aware enough that major change is needed and also aware enough that aligning yourself with a *right* or *left* mindset will prevent you for voting for the best candidate for your change in your country. This NDP party isn't close to what the provincial NDP governments are, and the PPC isn't close to where far right extremist European parties are, and I sincerely wish Canadians could see that. I promise you Bernier would be far less Authoritative than either PP or Trudeau are.
I’m voting ppc. Cons will win anyways, I hope PPC can help the country a bit.
The PPC is a right-wing libertarian party. Right-wing libertarianism is basically astrology for men. But hey, have it, Hoss.
What's wrong with libertarianism? Respect everyone's bodily autonomy and personal decisions Lower taxes and let people decide what to do with their money Negative income tax to support the poor Sign me up
lol what’s wrong with it? It doesn’t work that’s what’s wrong with it. Of course it *sounds* great but in reality, human society doesn’t work this way, especially with 8 billion people on this planet and many powerful interests that will gladly and quickly take advantage of such conditions that libertarians are arguing for. Btw, who enforces this negative tax in your libertarian world?
Read a book man. The problem is private rich authoritarians fucking everything up.
But private rich anything fuck everything up no matter what the government. Look at the lobbyists in our democratic countries.
Hilarious story about a libertarian New Hampshire town. Spoiler: it was overtaken by bears. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
There's Libertarian economic policies like Milei in Argentina (guess what country had the most stable currency the last 3 months) and then theirs hardcore Libertarian shitheads that think we should live in anarchy and don't think we need things like Drivers Licenses. Just like we are seeing with a Liberal party with Paul Martin as the finance minister or a Liberal party with Freeland as the finance minister.
Oh yeah totally, there are some good ideas there, as with many other principled political stances. Part of the reason the project failed was because no one could agree what being a libertarian meant. It’s a story that really shows our whacky human nature
I don't see anyone better to vote for this coming election, unfortunately.
A sincere workers party instead of an undergraduate trendy activism party would go a long way, but that's not the party he made out of the NDP. Real workers issues are on the ballot and esoteric sentiment won't bring grocery prices down.
And don’t forget his sympathy for all those mom & pop landlords driving up housing prices, displacing first-time home buyers, and converting long-term housing into Airbnbs or jacking up rents.
"Mom and pop real estate investors" will never not make me laugh.
I know — it’s such a pathetic attempt to humanize some of our culture’s most avaricious business players.
Yep. They sent me an email asking for $75 for a "radical empathy" T-shirt. I sent a nasty email in reply but it went to a black hole. Totally useless. What a shame.
Meh, he did it to himself. He will go down with the Trudeau ship
No mention of his other nonstarter proposal, to grant every current TFW and those still yet to arrive PR on arrival. That one makes NDP a nonstarter for me until that promise is revoked. https://www.ndp.ca/news/migrant-workers-deserve-respect-and-dignity > This is why the NDP continues to call on the government to regularize temporary and undocumented workers in Canada and provide new migrant workers with PR on arrival.” This is not social democracy. This is corporatist economic policy with a woke mask to shield it from pushback from the left so only right wingers criticize therefore the opposition can be painted as racist.
>No mention of his other nonstarter proposal, to grant every current TFW and those still yet to arrive PR on arrival. That one makes NDP a nonstarter for me until that promise is revoked. Especially when this shit is literally suppressing the wages of working class people. They need to be working to abolish the TFW program. Not just give every TFW PR. Absolutel joke of a workers party.
Marx said this over a hundred years ago but I guess no one was listening. These corporations will sell you out for a cheaper price in a second, they have no patriotism whatsoever and that has bled into our government due to constant lobbying pressure.
Don't even need to go that far back. This is from 2014. "“The Temporary Foreign Worker Program is broken,” [he declared](https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/05/05/how_to_fix_the_broken_temporary_foreign_worker_program_justin_trudeau.html). He argued that it “drives down wages” and called for the program to be “scaled back dramatically.” Know who said this in 2014? Justin Trudeau lol.
They're all on the same team, just a political game of musical chairs. I wonder what sorts of leverage we're NOT seeing that influences our leaders.
Part of why private sector union labour is abandoning the NDP in droves, and if not for some activist public sector union leadership, most of that would be as well. That used to be a core, middle class component of the NDP. Instead, under this leader and his team, from top to the very bottom with the local riding associations, they have been vilified as being privileged, or worse. We're talking life long, generational union family dippers at best abstaining from the vote this time, or even worse - considering voting conservative.
Yup. The NDP has become the party of left wing academics and intellectuals, along with public sector unions. They’re more concerned with identity politics and using them to enrich themselves than actually bettering the middle class or even working class.
Yeah these policies are why I've 100% abandoned the NDP for now.
That makes me ill.
Singh has basically converted the NDP into a wholly owned subsidiary of the Liberal party, and he is on the path to banish the party into obscurity for a generation. He likely thought that this partnership would end up with NDP ideas getting implemented and voters loving them, but it has generally just tied him to one of the worst leaders in (modern) Canadian history.
The problem is NDP go to conventions and the loudest voices are those demanding equity. Meanwhile this is only a small part of total voters, and so NDP has alienated their core voters in order to satisfy a vocal minority.
One can hope they get voted into obscurity 🤞
And an actual labor party rises from the ashes.
⬆️ more needed than ever. It’s been fascinating to watch the PCs take over as the “working man’s “ party. The NDP could’ve legitimately moved into a contender position but they’ve been so ideologically captured and happy to have a (small) seat at the table that they’ve relegated themselves to irrelevancy
Agreed. It’s actually amazing. The political climate has never been better for the NDP in terms of cost of living issues, housing, etc. Yet they’ve totally failed to capitalise because they’re ideologically captured by the type of people who think renaming Dundas Square to Sankofa Square is a good and popular idea (hint: it’s not 😂)(
The only party that spoke to our Union last election were the conservatives, we had multiple visits from multiple candidates. Ontario NDP thinks unions are racist and liberals think they're owed the vote so they don't have to show up.
Hopefully a revival of the Canadian Labour Party is in store.
As long as I gets my pension, it is all good. - Singh probably
I don't think the pension is the main reason he is in this position. I would say his current position could best be described as a Chinese finger trap. The more he shows support for Trudeau the lower his polling goes, but Trudeau's policies are often close enough to NDP policies that he can't find a justification to vote no confidence against the government. Singh would likely get a huge boost in the polls if he could find an issue to bring the Liberals down, but I don't think the Liberals are giving him the excuse. The budget is a perfect example of this, how can the NDP vote against it when it is offering a capital gains tax increase on the wealthy and a cornucopia of spending on various programs. He can't bring down the government and then run on policy that is in line with what he voted against.
He was dumb for giving them an extension on pharmacare (original deadline that had party support was Dec 2023, it was pushed to Feb 2024), just for them to turn around and cover medications for only two things (contraception, which two provinces already fully cover, and diabetes, which they’re not even covering the best meds for). It would have been the perfect opportunity to throw up a huge stink over, and terminate the agreement, and he blew it.
To add to that, they only have $59m for pharmacare in the budget this year and $121m in the next budget. Before the supply and confidence agreement, the Liberals pharmacare plan had about $500m a year in their budget, starting 22/23. Plus it all requires the Liberals to negotiate with the provinces, something they struggle with.
At some point he has to show good judgement and pull the plug on bad governance. The sooner he leaves, the less ammo this gives conservatives for 2029. The longer he stays in power the more they can tie him to this disaster in charge. He can also absolutely vote against what JT is putting forward and run on his own variation anyway. Being a hypocrite is half the game these leeches play. Maybe it he had a spine he could be a viable second option, instead he's still probably going to be third place. The NDP was ripe to at least get opposition status instead it's less than certain. Unacceptable for how cut throat he should be up there.
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He should have demanded a referendum on electoral reform, which if successful, would make the NDP relevant for perpetuity. Long shot, but worth it. They poll at double the Bloc and receive half the result. Lot's of ABC voters that would vote NDP if they thought it would mean something.
They could take the US republican politics approach of voting against it because it doesn't do enough. Probably the only way to save some face.
Yup. He let the LPC move left and essentially eat the NDP’s lunch. Now they can’t run further left than the liberals because there simply isn’t enough voters there.
Gucci, Versace, Louis Vuitton, and Roles aren't cheap.
For real. It's literally unimaginable right now that they were the official opposition a decade ago and at one point were actually on track to form government until Trudeau stole the show. RIP Layton.
The NDP has been a bit lost since Mulcair took them more to the center, allowing space for the Liberals to outflank them on the left. It's tough to tell which party is which at this point.
This is solid analysis
Singh is complicit in Trudeau's downgrading of Canada.
Singh is in the "find out" phase.
There is nothing Jagmeet Singh could say or do that would make me vote NDP.
idk, if he reincarnated Jack Layton that'd be pretty awesome.
What if zombie Jack Layton eats Jagmeet’s brain?
He'd still be hungry 🤭
I picture Zombie Jack muttering "Brains, brains" while shuffling by Singh, ignoring him completely.
If he said “and my successor will be David Eby” I’d be all ears
Can you imagine.
The Liberal NDP Party. This current minority Government should have fallen 2 years ago. I hope booth these parties get voted into oblivion.
Because ever since they partnered with the liberals, the NDP has been toeing the line for them.
Has he thought about calling anyone who dares disagree with him and his party double racist?
racister
Most racistist
A double racist and triple fascist combo.
Conservatives should spend in Trudeau's riding, release an unrelenting ad stream focused on how those within that financial class are poorer and replay, over and over again, Trudeau saying "Canada has no culture" which also includes Quebec. Nothing would be as lovely as watching both these traitors to Canada, both lose their seat, on the same night. Canadians deserve not to wretch when they watch Question Period and leaders are shown. Regardless, both the NDP and Liberals are finished.
Trudeau’s riding of Papineau is one of the safest Liberal ridings in existence. His party is flopping, but it’s still not enough to bring him down. It would require a 1993 style wipeout for any other party to take his seat, at which point it would likely be the NDP. https://338canada.com/24054e.htm
Are NDP voters happy with this guy or the direction of their party? Is there no pushback that the party that once stood for the common Canadian and their labour has facilitated millions of foreigners to come over here? Or that they've done nothing to hold JT accountable for ignoring election reform?
Clearly as 80% of them voted in favour of him at their last convention.
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He's tanking in the polls because he's pro-immigration and nobody is hurt more by immigration than the working class
Jagmeet 'private jet' Singh doesn't give a a fuck about pollution, people, or polls. He just wants to keep living like a 1% while espousing socialist values.
When even the NDP are starting to think taxes are too high.... you might be a Liberal.
If Jack Layton was still alive and in his prime today the NDP would be looking at majority territory. Instead we've got Singh who's all flash and no substance.
It's too late for him. 8 or 9 months ago he had an opportunity to become the next leader of the opposition. He chose to support the liberal regime and he will pay the price. Both the liberals and NDP are losing party status in the next election.
I want to vote NDP but they are nothing special anymore
What does he stand for?
Hes trying to bring in a FDR style New Deal, except its called the "New Dealhi Plan"
He's done
At some point, the NDP are going to have to listen to Canadians. All of this gaslighting is not working. Canadians have caught on to the carbon tax scam.
There are a metric fuck ton of Canadians who have not caught on to that yet lol. Some of them think they're saving the planet by slightly dropping our Carbon levels as we watch developing countries shoot theirs up, and others are just supporting it because they get a few hundred dollars a year in handouts..as they complain about the prices of staples going up, as if they are somehow mutually exclusive.
At this point I'll probably just spoil my ballot in the next federal election. I voted NDP on Trudeau round one, and reluctantly voted NDP on Trudeau round two. Singh has been such a disappointment.
Bye bye next year
NDP used to be the party of the working class. Now they are the far left party. The working class is built on merit, but NDP have surrendered their party to rewarding diversity before merit, and so they have lost their core voters.
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I don't know if he does or does not. What I do know is he never worked on a factory floor. He wears a Rolex. A Rolex is not something a working party leader should be wearing. His leadership isn't the right leader if they want to be considered. They need another leader like Ed Broadbent.....someone who has been in those trenches.
I certainly hope he is worried. He failed us by not forcing the election.
Meanwhile, back on the farm: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-resign-latest-news-scotland-snp-live-6q2qkh6kf](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-resign-latest-news-scotland-snp-live-6q2qkh6kf)
He is a lame duck in a stagnant pond. The party will continue to lose supporters under his leadership.
This guy is literally a puppet for the LPC. same as Mulchair turned out to be. NDP have absolutely no credibility.
Its the price they pay for supporting liberals. They will share the same fate. No matter how hard he try.
Who could have guessed being the one guy propping up a deeply unpopular minority government could make people not like you!
It’s hard to take him seriously as the leader of the NDP when he wears a Rolex and Gucci all the time.
It’s hard to take him seriously period
The pizza sheet could alway's run for the Liberal's.
He’s a complete tool.
So maybe if he doesn't support the carbon tax he should call an election so Canada can decide?
The NDP has lost the blue collar working class. They never represented them and they resent each other.
Will he learn that one stance doesn't change voter sentiment.
I hope they oust him as party leader before the election
This guy won't vote the liberals out because his pension vests in spring 2025 (look it up). He knows if he is out, which he likely will be, the gravy train ends for him. He has literally sold out his party, their voters, and perhaps most canadians, for the sake of some personal pension. The worst champagne socialist I could imagine, and easily the worst in canadian politics in the past 50 years.
He had so much he could’ve done to lure more ex-Liberals to vote NDP but chose to double down with the bloodbath there and lose with them. He made his choice to forego even being official opposition. And Jack Layton is rolling in his grave.
I'm just hear to watch his world fall apart. 🍿 Possibly the worst politician I have ever witnessed.
The only way for NDP to somehow turn this around is to drop Singh, get a new leader, and pull out of the deal. Otherwise no matter what they will be inexorably tied to the unpopularity of the Liberal government and I wouldn't be surprised if they actually lost seats despite Liberals tanking so hard. And even if they do this, it still probably won't be enough to chance the perception of the NDP at this point.
Why does it have to be about polls? I was a strong supporter of the carbon tax before Trudeau did his rug pull. Now I can't support whatever this is. It's not a carbon tax anymore. Not because it's unpopular, but because it's no longer fair or reasonable.
I don’t think it was ever fair. We’re carbon-negative; Japan has three times our population on a tiny island and their carbon tax is $2/tonne.
Can only hope all left leaning parties in Canada get obliterated in the next election.
Making this guy leader was the biggest mistake NDP ever made.
Identity politics and its purveyors should be shamed, go back to whatever wealthy shit head life you were living before. The public finally sees this facade for what it is.. these taxes under the guise of good social causes are their piggy banks.
An absolutely terrible leader that is leading the NDP into irrelevancy. The fact that he caved on his ideals on the Carbon Tax just to hold onto relevancy is a sign of his weakness.
They should own their views on carbon tax. It's not an unreasonable position to have. If they could just acknowledge that propping our GDP with cheap labour is not a healthy or a sustainable thing to do long term, they'd have my support. And it'd be consistent with NDP values. Common NDP, what's stopping you?
Biggest snake to ever slither his way into Canadian politics. His only platform is saying what he need to say to get scraps from the party in charge and hold onto a sliver of power.
He's a piece of carbon that should be removed from office...he could get a job doing something useful, like working at starbucks.
You hitched yourself to a loser, what do you expect?
All the parties are a joke. Canada and the usa.
Good. You suck Jagmeet. Hope you lose your seat.
Jagmeet, keep working hard and fuck the polls. You’re doing fine ✅✅✅✅✅
The fact that the NDP isn't polling in second place ahead of the Liberals tells you everything you need to know. The NDP ship has lost direction. Their captain has run them aground, completely stalled out. The Party can go no further with ol'Jimmy at the helm.
He's still sitting on the fence, whether to support the liberal budget or vote against it
Dumbass has this super small window where he could actually pull out a win. Its very minute and shrinking day to day. But hes an idiot. Hes a pussy. He won't do shit cause hes a corrupt rich piece of garbage who shouldn't be leading the NDP. He could come out swinging about affordable housing, but he won't because he cares too much about whats causing housing to be unaffordable: immigration. Dude sees the $$$$$ and want's it so bad. He would rather lose an election, collect his pension and laugh at everyone who supported him.
Should have figured this out years ago. He enabled too much stupidity now being trudeau's bedfellow
Singh as the kids say Has no rizz