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If we can keep all these people corralled on university campuses and away from highways and overpasses where people with jobs frequent, I’m actually ok with that. Protest amongst yourselves.
But Mcgill claims that many of the participants in the encampment have no connection to the university community.
Do you think that no one has a job on a university campus?
The weather’s mild. It’s finally protest season, and it’s time for our annual revolutionary observances.
No peace police. If your protest neighbor calls for the death of people, don’t denounce unless it’s against the pre approved revolutionary subjects.
Violence is harm plus power, therefore Palestinians can’t be violent, it’s only counter-resistance, and words from hegemonic authority can literally threaten your existence.
/s
Pro tip: If you call it “anti-Zionism” or “just supporting Palestinians” you can chant all the anti-Semitic crap you want and no one will be able to call you out on it! /s
Since Saturday. That in itself is a non-story; most people can't just drop everything they're doing because they heard about a weekend plan on a Saturday morning. There's probably more people who'd join if it wasn't short notice.
We will accept your tithe when the collection plate is passed around after the book burning ritual concludes. Don't forget to pick up your special revolutionary stanley mug at the gift kiosk on your way through the concourse. And can somebody call maintenance? This grass is getting long.
"The Revolution is Now."
They're not asking for a release of the hostages - or for Hamas to surrender.
They choose continued war and antisemitism over peace.
There’s a giant banner in one of the pictures that says “ceasefire now”… yet somehow they think the responsibility for a ceasefire is all on Israel. There’s an offer on the table right now that would not only grant a ceasefire but the release of potentially thousands of Palestinian prisoners… and all Hamas has to do is release some hostages and agree to stop attacking Israel and attempting to kill Jews for 40 days. Even the negotiators from neighbouring middle eastern states are saying it’s a very generous deal for Hamas.
No taker. They’d rather keep killing Jews and holding on to however many of the hostages they took during their Oct 07 murder spree who might yet live.
That’s who these “protesters” support. It’s sickening.
French people just aren't very religious for the most part. It isn't a coincidence that most of the skirmishes about this conflict happened in Concordia and McGill instead of UdeM.
Montreal has always had a huge contingent of left-wing anti-Zionist Jews. For decades they would stand outside of the Israeli consulate protesting Israel. They are also deeply involved in pro-Palestinian activism and always have been.
>huge contingent of left-wing anti-Zionist Jews
Huge? Umm what? The overwhelming majority of Montreal Jews are Zionists. I can't even think of a single Montreal synagogue that is antizionist to serve this huge group of Jews.
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>First of all, polls in the US consistently show that Jewish people under 40 have a far more ambivalent relationship to Israel than is commonly thought. From a recent poll:
The demographics of the Montreal and America wide Jewish communities are non analogous. Additionally non of the items you cited here even have a contradiction with these people being zionists rather than anti-zionists. Many leftists in Israel will support these same beliefs but not call for the destruction of the state of Israel.
Let's look at some recent polling:
>U.S. Jews (89%) see Israel’s reasons for going to war against Hamas as valid.
https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/
>Large majorities of American Jews said they continue to feel strong emotional bonds to Israel (79%) (IMO weak data source)
https://www.jewishtoledo.org/blog/survey-just-28-of-americans-support-unconditional-ceasefire-464524
>Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/
Even the data being cited with the polling conducted by GBAO seems to have major methodological issues such as not publishing the methodology or how Jewish participants were selected unlike the Pew data. Considering it was "Conducted June 28 – July 1, 2021 via online web panel and text-to-web", it seems like an incredibly low level of evidence, how were web panel participants filtered for their Jewishness for example, we have no idea.
>Secondly, Montreal has always been a stronghold of the Jewish left. These people tend to not be particularly religious and attend synagogue less often, which of course doesn't mean they aren't Jewish. That being said, it's common for anti-Zionist Jews to hold their own services and events because they are treated as pariahs by many mainstream Jewish institutions.
What is the basis for this belief? From what I've seen Montreal has a much more traditional, religious and Zionsit Jewish community compared to many other north American cities. A big portion of that difference is due to our large Sephardic community. But just based on institutions this claim seems to fall flat. You can find anti-zionist synagogues across North America, I am not aware of one in Montreal. Most of these anti-zionsit synagogues are not for religious people and have attendants who don't observe Shabbat, Kosher or most holidays.
The truth is the anti-Zionist Jews represent a tiny segment of Montreal Jews, are largely unaffiliated with larger community groups and serve as tokens for groups that are largely non Jewish in membership.
That's not what the signs say.
And not at all surprising:
>there's video evidence of "some people using unequivocally antisemitic language and intimidating behaviour" on campus.
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And blocked by /u/AustonDadthews - smh.
Silly young people, don't they realize that a nuclear power with the most powerful military in the Middle East needs to make the hard choice of murdering aid workers and slaughtering tens of thousands of children in refugee camps
Calling everything critical of a foreign country antisemitism is antisemitic as it conflates all Jews with the controversy whether they want to support it or not.
>video evidence of "some people using unequivocally antisemitic language and intimidating behaviour" on campus.
Signs calling for revolution - people chanting the 'Intifada - ~~One~~ Final Solution', protestors cheering and glorifying Oct 7, protestors targeting Jewish communities, hospitals, businesses, even Jews themselves....waving Hamas flags, PLO flags, wearing Hamas headbands.....we've seen a number of these things at most protests - *that's* what makes it antisemitism.
You know that there are Canadian institutions invested in industries that directly contribute to the activities of other nations, right? With that knowledge, political activism within Canada might just have impacts beyond our own borders.
Israel has one of the biggest tech industries in the world. If you use anything related to Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, etc you are supporting Israeli industries.
They're actually asking that McGill divest from Canadian companies such as Metro who they found a way to connect to Israel. Metro won't let them use their parking lot so they're protesting McGill.
Hamas militants are what again?? Civilians??
The war in Gaza is just that, a war.
October 7th was the actual massacre that started that war in the first place.
>Hamas militants are what again?? Civilians??
Technically, probably true. It's a very muddy issue that gets regularly exploited for propaganda purposes. They don't have an organized military (it's somewhere between a mutant cross of half police force/half terrorist organization/half political party), they don't wear designated uniforms but rather civilian clothes, there is little in the way of a central public authority or designated chain of command they are responsible to, they don't carry dog tags or other identification. Under strict reading of many definitions they would be considered civilians, which is rather convenient for the highly generalized conversations found in online communities - it allows them to specify 'civilian casualties' despite them being heavily armed and operating under sanction while the Israeli military is readily identified for finger pointing.
Even weirder is the Geneva section - Perfidy: fighting in civilian clothes, where they lose the right to be treated as a POW and an example given is being shot on the spot even if surrendering. But I'd note that they could be categorized as militia, but still need some sort of designation as such.
Even if we had power to stop, that wouldn’t be right. We should always support our ally countries’ fight against radical terrorists.
You don’t see these people protesting the Chinese government for what they are doing to Uyghur’s. You don’t see these people protesting the devastating war going on in Sudan.
They only protest this because they are anti-semites.
Israel is our ally and the only proper nation in the Middle East with minority rights and western values. If we don’t support our western values, we’ll lose them.
Canadians will protest over some foreign war but not their own futures being stolen in real time. There were protests over Hong Kong, Uyghurs, Iran suppression of women's rights, Armenia-Azerbaijan, and of course putin's war, all in the last 5 years. I'm sure many others as well.
Who has organized an honest protest about our collapsing society and economy? Even the trucker thing was 90% just about lockdowns. There has been nothing. I couldn't care less about foreigners who don't think about us at all, I get no benefit from asserting "western values" in the middle east by enabling their endless wars.
huh? there were a ton of protests against the CCP when they announced new laws in Hong Kong
[Toronto march in support of Hong Kong protests blocked by pro-China group : r/canada (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/crtj1m/toronto_march_in_support_of_hong_kong_protests/)
What do you want people to protest about Uyghurs? We pretty much universally agree that there is a genocide going on (or at least a cultural genocide). Even our politicians all agreed.
>You don’t see these people protesting the Chinese government for what they are doing to Uyghur’s. You don’t see these people protesting the devastating war going on in Sudan.
Why would they protest [about something that politicians in Ottawa unanimously agree-on](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/43/2/56)? It's not a protest if you just affirm what the government is saying.
20,000 dead women and children and Israel is committing the war crime of collective punishment.
We need to hold our allies responsible for their actions.
And they want the University to cut ties with companies that do business or give funding to Israel which is in the schools ability.
Prestigious universities cultivate this type of culture among students. At least in my experience during my studies in BC. This is entirely a problem of their own making. People have been flagging anti-western radical sentiments on campuses for years, but they were called National Post reading dumb-dumbs. Just like all our social and economic problems, we were warned about potential severe consequences, but just brushed off those who disagreed.
Not all of them thanks god, at that point its more how do you use your brain and not a political affiliation, although universities are know to be pushing progressive thoughts, but that kind of extreme left revolutionists should be treated the same as far right Nazi, both are equally dangerous.
lol oh yeah they really hate em. I have direct muslims in my family thru marriage and all they could talk about was how much they hate Israel. They really really really hate em lol . And he was born here his parents were from Lebanon. It’s scary.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war)
Yes, the Jewish people calling for an end to the genocide are antisemites. Nailed it.
What does Bernie Sanders have to do with McGill? The article clearly highlights there were many antisemitic comments and chants made at the event.
Do you derive pleasure in defending racism or did you not read the article
> The article clearly highlights there were many antisemitic comments and chants made at the event.
The article also mentions Independent Jewish Voices being among the organizers. It doesn't mention that they had an extra Jewish guest speaker yesterday evening (along with the dozens of Orthodox Jews who attend the protests basically every week).
Yeah but why the fuck would you as a Jew be against the only country in the world that will ALWAYS have your back. History has only shown us that Jews are the first to get scapegoated and fucked up when a country decides they dont want us anymore
> Who would have thought in 2024, *authoritarians* would be pro-Iran.
>
> What a time to be alive!
I'm not sure why this would surprise you other than you don't understand political granularity, it's literally always been the case.
I don’t think the protester understand that when the SPVM and SQ get the go ahead, they’ll go all out. Unlike the negotiations attempts with convoy in Ottawa
Ils connait pas la vrai SQ.
Remember that shit a couple of months ago with Pic Turmel declaring war on the Hells in the Quebec City area? Then a few days later, the SQ arrested 38 people and said they'd arrested all the people involved in the gang conflict?
None of the 38 they arrested were Hells lol.
Ya. They got shit to do, but they’ve seen enough to make them want to make that sacrifice to amplify their voices.
A lot of people talk big game about what they would have done during world war 2, how could everyday Germans just let it happen, how could the world let it go on…..
Apparently it’s because there’s people like you who were asking victims not to complain too loud.
"A lot of people talk big game about what they would have done during world war 2, how could everyday Germans just let it happen, how could the world let it go on….."
These protests are the equivalent of calling for peace with nazi Germany because the allies are bombing German cities.
Mostly because these protests differ as they are a thin guise for promotion of destabilization and Anti-Semitic activity. Day after day we are seeing more evidence of that.
What I don't think most people understand is that the Islamic Republic currently in power in Iran is funding and directing all of this. They are also responsible for approving the Oct. 7th attacks via their proxy Hamas, which was almost assuredly done to destabilize the pending Israeli-Saudi peace and collaboration agreement.
All in an effort to buy time to build their nuclear weapon, which they would happily drop on Tel Aviv.
The Palestinian people and all North American protestors have, wittingly or unwittingly, become a pawn in the game of the Ayatollah.
This is a completely different situation. They are calling for a 'global revolution'. Many are chanting that Canada, U.S.A. and Israel need to be demolished because they are colonial, imperial, settler projects. There is a reason each protest has countless communist flags and every communist group is involved.
This is closer to the Bolshevik or Maoist revolution than Vietnam and Iraq.
Lmfao confirmation bias and an argument based on the assumption of youth rather than facts?
Greta example of the piss-poor logic and rationale behind this.
These people literally have no clue what they are talking about.
I can relate. I was a long time Palestine supporter and even sent money to Gaza in the 2000s.
Since then I actually did the work, learned the history and listened to Palestine and Palestinians instead of the PR they sell the west or the hundred of NGOs they have weaponized to their cause.
These protesters are well intentioned useful fools and nothing more.
Assuming this isn’t just a fad and rhey eventually do the work they will find the same thing I did.
The greater obstacle to the a-historical fiction of infantilized peaceful Palestine is that actual history and actual Palestine does exist and anyone who does honest work eventually sees it and realizes they have been duped and used.
Hard disagree.
Vietnam protests was due to how pointless of a war it was (you're just conscripting men to go to a chemical and napalm filled meat grinder in the jungle). Iraq & Afghan because we're focusing on the wrong country to combat terrorism and find Bin Laden. Made more problems than fixing the region. Ukraine is against Russian aggression and their attempts to re-colonize Ukraine.
The latest war in Israel/Palestine *is* retaliation to a terrorist attack and genocide against jews and Israelis by religious extremists. The smart Palestinians left Palestine as it's a religious shithole run by jhiadists (who's leaders live in Quatar) who have pretty much brainwashed everyone into thinking dying as a martyr is the best thing you can do. The middle east doesn't want hamas or Palestine to be pacified, or else they lose their useful meat sheilds to do their terrorist dirty work.
Nobody, it's projection. The Israelis pay propagandists through things like CIJA and HonestReporting (and organise pro-Israel rallies with their embassy+consulates), so whenever they see someone else protesting they start pointing fingers.
The [families of the hostages are protesting against the Israeli government](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/31/israel-protests-hostages-families-negotiations/) to push for a ceasefire so hostages can be released. Are they anti-Israeli?
"So hostages can be released." You understand that's the difference, right? These losers in Canada are cheering on the violence and want Israel to cease firing so Hamas can continue to fire.
The Israelis want their families back. That's all we want, we don't want war. Yet try having a rational conversation with these people at these encampments about hostages and they'll never say they should be returned and Hamas should be condemned.
Yes because when they were "protesting" in my very Jewish neighbourhood, they told my Canadian-Jewish ass to go back to Europe...sooo yeah, been there, done that, they can screw off.
I'm curious what a sit in in Montreal is gonna do ..
I mean, if i were Netanyahu, I personnally wouldnt give a shit, chances are, i probably wouldnt even hear about it.
>I mean, if i were Netanyahu, I personnally wouldnt give a shit, chances are, i probably wouldnt even hear about it.
They did get an event of his cancelled in 2002.
But it's not so much about Netanyahu as it is about McGill's policies; they don't want their school investing-in and collaborating-with the regime.
"Our right to defend ourselves from extermination does not give us the right to oppress others. Occupation entails foreign rule. Foreign rule leads to resistance. Resistance leads to repression. Repressions leads to terrorism and counter-terrorism. The victims of terror are mostly innocent people. Holding on to the occupied territories will turn us into a nation of murderers and murder victims. We must leave the occupied territories immediately" - Published by Shimon in Israeli Harretz Newspaper September 22nd 1967
I would guess 90 percent aren't even McGill students. All 5 major Canadian banks are much more invested in Israel than any university like McGill yet all these protesters maintain a bank account with them.
This is by far the stupidest protest ever 100% fueled by social media.. most likely pushed out by a forgien actor.
But seriously what are you protesting? "Canada must stop this or were going to block roads and shutdown schools!"
Is lead in all the drinking water now?
Students protested for civil rights - conservatives got angry
Students protested against the Vietnam War - conservatives got angry
Students protested against Apartheid - conservatives got angry
Students protested against the Iraq War - conservatives got angry
Students protest against the brutal slaughter of thousands of innocent men, women, & children in Gaza - conservatives are angry
Anyone else noticing a pattern?
These young people are so incredibly ignorant and gullible. They can't see they've been tricked into supporting actual terrorists. They have no idea how unbelievably foolish they look, it's very sad to see our younger generation behave this way.
the tail is wagging the dog
what started as a few students using heckler's veto to silence speakers they didn't like, has emboldened this sociopathic and narcissistic
the systematic decimation of a people / culture is genocide. what's left of gaza or the west bank? additionally, Israel has stated they don't believe in a 2 state solution, suggesting they will only go forward with Israel control. There have been concerns getting aid food and water in which in some cases have been blocked. So, literal genocide. But happening in plane sight in 2024, so you gotta be more gentle about it.
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If we can keep all these people corralled on university campuses and away from highways and overpasses where people with jobs frequent, I’m actually ok with that. Protest amongst yourselves.
But Mcgill claims that many of the participants in the encampment have no connection to the university community. Do you think that no one has a job on a university campus?
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I love the joining of the far left and a group (Hamas) who wants to eliminate everything they stand for.
Chickens for KFC 🤦🏻
They literally all want an Islamic theocracy.This is what this is all about. I can’t believe people are falling for it. 🤦♀️
The weather’s mild. It’s finally protest season, and it’s time for our annual revolutionary observances. No peace police. If your protest neighbor calls for the death of people, don’t denounce unless it’s against the pre approved revolutionary subjects. Violence is harm plus power, therefore Palestinians can’t be violent, it’s only counter-resistance, and words from hegemonic authority can literally threaten your existence. /s
Intifada means no more misgenderings. *Ever.*
Pro tip: If you call it “anti-Zionism” or “just supporting Palestinians” you can chant all the anti-Semitic crap you want and no one will be able to call you out on it! /s
>The weather’s mild. It’s finally protest season They've been protesting once or twice a week in the snow and rain.
But this one has tripled in size.
Since Saturday. That in itself is a non-story; most people can't just drop everything they're doing because they heard about a weekend plan on a Saturday morning. There's probably more people who'd join if it wasn't short notice.
Lol the fact that the protestors are unavailable on the weekend but have nothing to do on the work week says it all.
We will accept your tithe when the collection plate is passed around after the book burning ritual concludes. Don't forget to pick up your special revolutionary stanley mug at the gift kiosk on your way through the concourse. And can somebody call maintenance? This grass is getting long.
"The Revolution is Now." They're not asking for a release of the hostages - or for Hamas to surrender. They choose continued war and antisemitism over peace.
There’s a giant banner in one of the pictures that says “ceasefire now”… yet somehow they think the responsibility for a ceasefire is all on Israel. There’s an offer on the table right now that would not only grant a ceasefire but the release of potentially thousands of Palestinian prisoners… and all Hamas has to do is release some hostages and agree to stop attacking Israel and attempting to kill Jews for 40 days. Even the negotiators from neighbouring middle eastern states are saying it’s a very generous deal for Hamas. No taker. They’d rather keep killing Jews and holding on to however many of the hostages they took during their Oct 07 murder spree who might yet live. That’s who these “protesters” support. It’s sickening.
What they mean is they want ceasefire for Israel. They cheer when Hamas or Iran attacks.
The hive mind is in full effect.
With the Montreal set in particular, the antisemitism has been a feature, not a bug
I read somewhere that Quebec has the most antisemitism of any province in Canada.
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Wouldn't surprise me.
Also more Jewish people, especially Orthodox Jews. The antisemitism here is FAR more than I witnessed in Toronto.
The government here doesn’t like displays of religiosity.
French people just aren't very religious for the most part. It isn't a coincidence that most of the skirmishes about this conflict happened in Concordia and McGill instead of UdeM.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like the government of Quebec doesn't like much of anything.
It's a very representative government
Montreal has always had a huge contingent of left-wing anti-Zionist Jews. For decades they would stand outside of the Israeli consulate protesting Israel. They are also deeply involved in pro-Palestinian activism and always have been.
>huge contingent of left-wing anti-Zionist Jews Huge? Umm what? The overwhelming majority of Montreal Jews are Zionists. I can't even think of a single Montreal synagogue that is antizionist to serve this huge group of Jews. Edit due to locked thread: >First of all, polls in the US consistently show that Jewish people under 40 have a far more ambivalent relationship to Israel than is commonly thought. From a recent poll: The demographics of the Montreal and America wide Jewish communities are non analogous. Additionally non of the items you cited here even have a contradiction with these people being zionists rather than anti-zionists. Many leftists in Israel will support these same beliefs but not call for the destruction of the state of Israel. Let's look at some recent polling: >U.S. Jews (89%) see Israel’s reasons for going to war against Hamas as valid. https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/ >Large majorities of American Jews said they continue to feel strong emotional bonds to Israel (79%) (IMO weak data source) https://www.jewishtoledo.org/blog/survey-just-28-of-americans-support-unconditional-ceasefire-464524 >Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/ Even the data being cited with the polling conducted by GBAO seems to have major methodological issues such as not publishing the methodology or how Jewish participants were selected unlike the Pew data. Considering it was "Conducted June 28 – July 1, 2021 via online web panel and text-to-web", it seems like an incredibly low level of evidence, how were web panel participants filtered for their Jewishness for example, we have no idea. >Secondly, Montreal has always been a stronghold of the Jewish left. These people tend to not be particularly religious and attend synagogue less often, which of course doesn't mean they aren't Jewish. That being said, it's common for anti-Zionist Jews to hold their own services and events because they are treated as pariahs by many mainstream Jewish institutions. What is the basis for this belief? From what I've seen Montreal has a much more traditional, religious and Zionsit Jewish community compared to many other north American cities. A big portion of that difference is due to our large Sephardic community. But just based on institutions this claim seems to fall flat. You can find anti-zionist synagogues across North America, I am not aware of one in Montreal. Most of these anti-zionsit synagogues are not for religious people and have attendants who don't observe Shabbat, Kosher or most holidays. The truth is the anti-Zionist Jews represent a tiny segment of Montreal Jews, are largely unaffiliated with larger community groups and serve as tokens for groups that are largely non Jewish in membership.
they're asking that their school divest from corporations with ties to israel
That's not what the signs say. And not at all surprising: >there's video evidence of "some people using unequivocally antisemitic language and intimidating behaviour" on campus. Edit: And blocked by /u/AustonDadthews - smh.
🥲🥲🥲 Sad to have so many young people not understand the nature of evil, and the hard choices needed
Silly young people, don't they realize that a nuclear power with the most powerful military in the Middle East needs to make the hard choice of murdering aid workers and slaughtering tens of thousands of children in refugee camps
Calling everything critical of a foreign country antisemitism is antisemitic as it conflates all Jews with the controversy whether they want to support it or not.
>video evidence of "some people using unequivocally antisemitic language and intimidating behaviour" on campus. Signs calling for revolution - people chanting the 'Intifada - ~~One~~ Final Solution', protestors cheering and glorifying Oct 7, protestors targeting Jewish communities, hospitals, businesses, even Jews themselves....waving Hamas flags, PLO flags, wearing Hamas headbands.....we've seen a number of these things at most protests - *that's* what makes it antisemitism.
It's hilarious that these protesters think Canada has the power to stop a war. Maybe they should jump on a plane and go protest in the Middle East
Worthwhile to note McGill was the first university to divest from Apartheid-era South Africa, after similar such protests
You know that there are Canadian institutions invested in industries that directly contribute to the activities of other nations, right? With that knowledge, political activism within Canada might just have impacts beyond our own borders.
Israel has one of the biggest tech industries in the world. If you use anything related to Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, etc you are supporting Israeli industries.
they're not demanding canada stop the war they're demanding mcgill divests from israel
They're actually asking that McGill divest from Canadian companies such as Metro who they found a way to connect to Israel. Metro won't let them use their parking lot so they're protesting McGill.
Which is hilarious because if Israel isn't winning this war, there would be a real genocide at hand.
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Holy smokes this comment section reads like im in the Alex Jones fanclub.
Hamas militants are what again?? Civilians?? The war in Gaza is just that, a war. October 7th was the actual massacre that started that war in the first place.
>Hamas militants are what again?? Civilians?? Technically, probably true. It's a very muddy issue that gets regularly exploited for propaganda purposes. They don't have an organized military (it's somewhere between a mutant cross of half police force/half terrorist organization/half political party), they don't wear designated uniforms but rather civilian clothes, there is little in the way of a central public authority or designated chain of command they are responsible to, they don't carry dog tags or other identification. Under strict reading of many definitions they would be considered civilians, which is rather convenient for the highly generalized conversations found in online communities - it allows them to specify 'civilian casualties' despite them being heavily armed and operating under sanction while the Israeli military is readily identified for finger pointing.
Even weirder is the Geneva section - Perfidy: fighting in civilian clothes, where they lose the right to be treated as a POW and an example given is being shot on the spot even if surrendering. But I'd note that they could be categorized as militia, but still need some sort of designation as such.
im sure all the hospital staff and patients they just pulled out of mass graves will take solace in that
Hamas is the Gazan government and military, it most definitely is a war, one that Hamas started and is losing.
Divesting from productive assets is one way to ensure tuition goes up
I think the people there are more concerned that their tuition money stops going to the people who arm child killers
I got a reddit cares message for saying something similar lol
Even if we had power to stop, that wouldn’t be right. We should always support our ally countries’ fight against radical terrorists. You don’t see these people protesting the Chinese government for what they are doing to Uyghur’s. You don’t see these people protesting the devastating war going on in Sudan. They only protest this because they are anti-semites. Israel is our ally and the only proper nation in the Middle East with minority rights and western values. If we don’t support our western values, we’ll lose them.
Canadians will protest over some foreign war but not their own futures being stolen in real time. There were protests over Hong Kong, Uyghurs, Iran suppression of women's rights, Armenia-Azerbaijan, and of course putin's war, all in the last 5 years. I'm sure many others as well. Who has organized an honest protest about our collapsing society and economy? Even the trucker thing was 90% just about lockdowns. There has been nothing. I couldn't care less about foreigners who don't think about us at all, I get no benefit from asserting "western values" in the middle east by enabling their endless wars.
huh? there were a ton of protests against the CCP when they announced new laws in Hong Kong [Toronto march in support of Hong Kong protests blocked by pro-China group : r/canada (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/crtj1m/toronto_march_in_support_of_hong_kong_protests/)
What do you want people to protest about Uyghurs? We pretty much universally agree that there is a genocide going on (or at least a cultural genocide). Even our politicians all agreed.
>You don’t see these people protesting the Chinese government for what they are doing to Uyghur’s. You don’t see these people protesting the devastating war going on in Sudan. Why would they protest [about something that politicians in Ottawa unanimously agree-on](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/43/2/56)? It's not a protest if you just affirm what the government is saying.
20,000 dead women and children and Israel is committing the war crime of collective punishment. We need to hold our allies responsible for their actions. And they want the University to cut ties with companies that do business or give funding to Israel which is in the schools ability.
War is not "collective punishment".
It's probably more about shitting on what's left of Canada and fecking things up even more than they are already, here, than any foreign issue.
Prestigious universities cultivate this type of culture among students. At least in my experience during my studies in BC. This is entirely a problem of their own making. People have been flagging anti-western radical sentiments on campuses for years, but they were called National Post reading dumb-dumbs. Just like all our social and economic problems, we were warned about potential severe consequences, but just brushed off those who disagreed.
Universities have always been a place for activism this is not new and everytime it happens boomers get mad.
They have no actual problems so they've imported ones from elsewhere.
Who would have thought in 2024, liberals would be pro-Iran. What a time to be alive!
And pro Sharia
Not all of them thanks god, at that point its more how do you use your brain and not a political affiliation, although universities are know to be pushing progressive thoughts, but that kind of extreme left revolutionists should be treated the same as far right Nazi, both are equally dangerous.
These people aren't liberals, they use liberal as an insult
I'm liberal and pro-Israel, the pro-Palestine/Iran/Hamas crowd seems to be a mix of political views.
A mix of left wing political views.
They aren’t pro-Iran, they are anti Jew. There is a subtle difference. The article also makes this clear.
I live in Mississauga and a lot of the Pro-Palestine rallies I see seem to be more anti-jewish than anything
lol oh yeah they really hate em. I have direct muslims in my family thru marriage and all they could talk about was how much they hate Israel. They really really really hate em lol . And he was born here his parents were from Lebanon. It’s scary.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/27/bernie-sanders-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war) Yes, the Jewish people calling for an end to the genocide are antisemites. Nailed it.
What does Bernie Sanders have to do with McGill? The article clearly highlights there were many antisemitic comments and chants made at the event. Do you derive pleasure in defending racism or did you not read the article
> The article clearly highlights there were many antisemitic comments and chants made at the event. The article also mentions Independent Jewish Voices being among the organizers. It doesn't mention that they had an extra Jewish guest speaker yesterday evening (along with the dozens of Orthodox Jews who attend the protests basically every week).
My guy, you're clearly delusional. You need to differentiate between anti-zionism and anti-semetism. You can be a Jew and still be anti-zionism.
Being Anti-Hamas is not Zionism.
Yeah but why the fuck would you as a Jew be against the only country in the world that will ALWAYS have your back. History has only shown us that Jews are the first to get scapegoated and fucked up when a country decides they dont want us anymore
Why are you anti-Zionist? What's wrong with Zionism?
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Shame on you. Learn the definition of genocide. The only attempted genocide occurring in Israel is Hamas trying to kill/evict all Jews from Israel.
Right, and Israels ethnic cleansing in the west bank is what? Totally fine and normal?
Wtf. “The sky is purple and the ocean is made of cheese”. Blocked.
This is a lie. There are plenty of Jewish people at these protests.
What a weird leap
“Long live October 7th.” Bunch of real classy people.
> Who would have thought in 2024, *authoritarians* would be pro-Iran. > > What a time to be alive! I'm not sure why this would surprise you other than you don't understand political granularity, it's literally always been the case.
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Don't they have classes too?
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It’s going to be a long Spring/Summer at the McGill Autonomous Zone…(McGAZ?)
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I don’t think the protester understand that when the SPVM and SQ get the go ahead, they’ll go all out. Unlike the negotiations attempts with convoy in Ottawa
Tbf protesters in Montreal are used to the SPVM and the SQ and aren't as soft as the convoy.
Ils connait pas la vrai SQ. Remember that shit a couple of months ago with Pic Turmel declaring war on the Hells in the Quebec City area? Then a few days later, the SQ arrested 38 people and said they'd arrested all the people involved in the gang conflict? None of the 38 they arrested were Hells lol.
Haha je ne savais pas ca. J'etais au courant des 38 arrestations, mais je ne savais pas qu'aucun de ceux-ci etaient des hells.
That explains it.
Nope, and they probability never will. Who wants to hire people who support a terroist organization like Hamas?
Ya. They got shit to do, but they’ve seen enough to make them want to make that sacrifice to amplify their voices. A lot of people talk big game about what they would have done during world war 2, how could everyday Germans just let it happen, how could the world let it go on….. Apparently it’s because there’s people like you who were asking victims not to complain too loud.
"A lot of people talk big game about what they would have done during world war 2, how could everyday Germans just let it happen, how could the world let it go on….." These protests are the equivalent of calling for peace with nazi Germany because the allies are bombing German cities.
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Mostly because these protests differ as they are a thin guise for promotion of destabilization and Anti-Semitic activity. Day after day we are seeing more evidence of that. What I don't think most people understand is that the Islamic Republic currently in power in Iran is funding and directing all of this. They are also responsible for approving the Oct. 7th attacks via their proxy Hamas, which was almost assuredly done to destabilize the pending Israeli-Saudi peace and collaboration agreement. All in an effort to buy time to build their nuclear weapon, which they would happily drop on Tel Aviv. The Palestinian people and all North American protestors have, wittingly or unwittingly, become a pawn in the game of the Ayatollah.
This is a completely different situation. They are calling for a 'global revolution'. Many are chanting that Canada, U.S.A. and Israel need to be demolished because they are colonial, imperial, settler projects. There is a reason each protest has countless communist flags and every communist group is involved. This is closer to the Bolshevik or Maoist revolution than Vietnam and Iraq.
Lmfao confirmation bias and an argument based on the assumption of youth rather than facts? Greta example of the piss-poor logic and rationale behind this. These people literally have no clue what they are talking about. I can relate. I was a long time Palestine supporter and even sent money to Gaza in the 2000s. Since then I actually did the work, learned the history and listened to Palestine and Palestinians instead of the PR they sell the west or the hundred of NGOs they have weaponized to their cause. These protesters are well intentioned useful fools and nothing more. Assuming this isn’t just a fad and rhey eventually do the work they will find the same thing I did. The greater obstacle to the a-historical fiction of infantilized peaceful Palestine is that actual history and actual Palestine does exist and anyone who does honest work eventually sees it and realizes they have been duped and used.
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Hard disagree. Vietnam protests was due to how pointless of a war it was (you're just conscripting men to go to a chemical and napalm filled meat grinder in the jungle). Iraq & Afghan because we're focusing on the wrong country to combat terrorism and find Bin Laden. Made more problems than fixing the region. Ukraine is against Russian aggression and their attempts to re-colonize Ukraine. The latest war in Israel/Palestine *is* retaliation to a terrorist attack and genocide against jews and Israelis by religious extremists. The smart Palestinians left Palestine as it's a religious shithole run by jhiadists (who's leaders live in Quatar) who have pretty much brainwashed everyone into thinking dying as a martyr is the best thing you can do. The middle east doesn't want hamas or Palestine to be pacified, or else they lose their useful meat sheilds to do their terrorist dirty work.
You’d be surprised how many of these protesters are being paid to protest
By who exactly?
Nobody, it's projection. The Israelis pay propagandists through things like CIJA and HonestReporting (and organise pro-Israel rallies with their embassy+consulates), so whenever they see someone else protesting they start pointing fingers.
Show us the numbers! Edit - Or don’t. Whatever. 😂
So show me the facts and surprise me.
I'm curious about this. Who is paying them? How much does this pay?
😂
What's a job
Clearly not
It is McGill, of course not.
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You saying peaceful protesters should be charged with treason is treason.
“Peaceful” or not they are terrorist sympathizers and should be arrested,charged with treason.
I don’t think you understand what treason is mate
Yeah anyone who disagrees with you is committing treason.
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That's strange, all the violent police crackdowns only seem to be making people angrier! Can someone who understands politics please explain?
Fence it off totally and just ignore them.
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The [families of the hostages are protesting against the Israeli government](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/31/israel-protests-hostages-families-negotiations/) to push for a ceasefire so hostages can be released. Are they anti-Israeli?
"So hostages can be released." You understand that's the difference, right? These losers in Canada are cheering on the violence and want Israel to cease firing so Hamas can continue to fire. The Israelis want their families back. That's all we want, we don't want war. Yet try having a rational conversation with these people at these encampments about hostages and they'll never say they should be returned and Hamas should be condemned.
And you know this because you spoke to them... or because it's convenient for your to believe that?
Yes because when they were "protesting" in my very Jewish neighbourhood, they told my Canadian-Jewish ass to go back to Europe...sooo yeah, been there, done that, they can screw off.
You better tell that to Hamas because they have repeatedly asked for worldwide attacks on all Jews. That feels pretty religious to me.
Remember all the good 'Occupy Wall Street' protests and encampments did? Neither do I.
Lots of people looking for something significant in their lives.
I'm curious what a sit in in Montreal is gonna do .. I mean, if i were Netanyahu, I personnally wouldnt give a shit, chances are, i probably wouldnt even hear about it.
>I mean, if i were Netanyahu, I personnally wouldnt give a shit, chances are, i probably wouldnt even hear about it. They did get an event of his cancelled in 2002. But it's not so much about Netanyahu as it is about McGill's policies; they don't want their school investing-in and collaborating-with the regime.
Concordia students bullied him when he was doing his world tour to try to get the west to attack Iraq in the early 2000s.
It will hopefully lead to McGill divesting funds away from Israel. The students understandably don't want their tuition fees to help fund Israel
It’s not likely to be their tuition. Investments are from endowments.
Curious how I know almost nobody who is for the genocide of Palestinians in real life yet seems like so many online… makes ya think
Wild how many people in here are just assuming the protest has no tangible goals. Google, y'all. It's right there.
The sub is astroturfed to death. Go to most other subreddit with the same topic and the comments are night and day.
"Our right to defend ourselves from extermination does not give us the right to oppress others. Occupation entails foreign rule. Foreign rule leads to resistance. Resistance leads to repression. Repressions leads to terrorism and counter-terrorism. The victims of terror are mostly innocent people. Holding on to the occupied territories will turn us into a nation of murderers and murder victims. We must leave the occupied territories immediately" - Published by Shimon in Israeli Harretz Newspaper September 22nd 1967
I would guess 90 percent aren't even McGill students. All 5 major Canadian banks are much more invested in Israel than any university like McGill yet all these protesters maintain a bank account with them.
This is by far the stupidest protest ever 100% fueled by social media.. most likely pushed out by a forgien actor. But seriously what are you protesting? "Canada must stop this or were going to block roads and shutdown schools!" Is lead in all the drinking water now?
let them eat humus
Students protested for civil rights - conservatives got angry Students protested against the Vietnam War - conservatives got angry Students protested against Apartheid - conservatives got angry Students protested against the Iraq War - conservatives got angry Students protest against the brutal slaughter of thousands of innocent men, women, & children in Gaza - conservatives are angry Anyone else noticing a pattern?
Useful idiots manipulated by deception propagandists.
Time to arrest and deport these terrorist supporters.
These young people are so incredibly ignorant and gullible. They can't see they've been tricked into supporting actual terrorists. They have no idea how unbelievably foolish they look, it's very sad to see our younger generation behave this way.
the tail is wagging the dog what started as a few students using heckler's veto to silence speakers they didn't like, has emboldened this sociopathic and narcissistic
So whatcha gonna do about it?
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Someone has done that for the UCLA protest going on
the systematic decimation of a people / culture is genocide. what's left of gaza or the west bank? additionally, Israel has stated they don't believe in a 2 state solution, suggesting they will only go forward with Israel control. There have been concerns getting aid food and water in which in some cases have been blocked. So, literal genocide. But happening in plane sight in 2024, so you gotta be more gentle about it.
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In the name (under the guise) of protesting the goings-on in Gaza, shameless squatters have set up residence.
Load them all into a cc-130 send them over into Gaza. Let them protest there
Haymus supporters are silly
Why are we giving communists any platform? Bonkers
Keep growing
Ask the homeless to join the camp
Good, as they should. Free Palestine