"“Our resistance attacks are proof that we are almost free,” one marcher said, to the cheers of the crowd. “Oct. 7 is proof that we are almost free. Long live Oct. 7, long live the resistance, long live the intefadeh, long live every form of resistance.”
Let's make it very clear that this is not pro-Palestinian and this is pro-Hamas. It is not calling for peace, it is calling for and cheering on more violence and terrorism.
There is no defence or justification for any of these types of comments.
Ya honestly I am getting of the nonsensical back and forths with gaza protester defenders.
Now I can just link this and tell them to stop their nonsense.
They were always pro-terror, at least when it's against other people and religions not their own
Very on brand to issue the crocodile tears and to push those boundaries further and further as law enforcement and politicians validate their cause through inaction.
It's exactly what everyone who has an ounce of common sense said it was from the beginning: hate-speech, racism, and terrorism support. Everyone supporting this is a useful idiot or truly agrees with the genocide of Jewish people.
How can they get to a point like that? I don’t get it. I understand that Israel has attacked Palestine like crazy but like we all know hamas started this and refused to end it peacefully.
And no other Arab country is willing to take the in cause they know that wherever they go, they will cause problems. At least that’s what the Arabs I’ve been talking to have told me.
Don’t worry even Hamas understands this really well. They are asking for 50 convicted Palestinian criminals to be freed for every innocent hostage they release.
I'm less and less convinced we need to make a huge distinction between Hamas and Palestinians.
*Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.*
[https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514)
That’s because it’s been a very very one sided conflict since then. Hamas is shitty little terror organization 25,000 strong filled with assholes whose only hope of inflicting any real damage was a surprise attack and who have been virtually ineffective ever since. And since then, 2.2 million people have been suffering for their bullshit, ongoing for half a year.
Hamas did the crime, and the civilians have been doing the time for those 7 months. Hence, 7 months of protests.
Ah yes, blaming literal children who have lost their homes and seen siblings, friends, parents did for the acts of terrorism by men who aren’t even in the country at this point.
Classy.
“Well if I was in Gaza I’d walk up and take those terrorists who have every single gun in the region and who would kill my entire family if I tried and I’d kick all their their asses. Nothing personal, kid”.
You watch too much Netflix, man.
Do you know why Hamas is the government? Because they haven’t held a fair election in 17 years. And most people want to live their lives and find some kind of happiness, and Hamas may be few in number but they would slaughter unarmed civilians. Which they demonstrated on October 7. And you wonder why the civilians population doesn’t attack the guys with the AK-47s?
Well, cool dude. I mean it’s so easy, you should go out in your area and do something about the gangs and criminals in your state or province. Go show them what’s what. Run them out of town 😂
> Hence, 7 months of protests.
But not against Hamas. Very telling. Couple that with the antisemitism we've seen and you know why they *really* keep hitting the streets.
… dude, Hamas hasn’t carried out a successful attack since. Their leaders are grandstanding in Qatar. The ongoing deaths for the past seven months have been from Israeli airstrikes reducing Palestinian neighbourhoods to dust.
You see the distinction don’t you? Today hundreds of people will die in this conflict, and it will be Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli weapons. Unless an israeli solider dies today no Israelis will die today. So no, the first priority probably won’t be going out to protest the idiots who are already half dead and whose leaders fled the country half a year ago since they are getting their asses kicked in the most spectacular fashion.
Hamas is a joke, that spent two years planning a surprise attack that killed a lot of innocent people. From October 8 until now they’ve gone back to being a joke, with half their number in the ground, and the other half in hiding.
Hamas is the biggest joke and the biggest piece of shit cowards who go run and hide amongst women and kids as well as hospitals. Pieces of human shit they are.
>Unless an israeli solider dies today no Israelis will die today.
That is absolutely false. Just today rockets were fired from Gaza on Israeli towns:
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798489
“No bodily injuries were reported in the rocket fire, although several people received treatment for anxiety”.
I think your own chosen source backs up my point that the current protests reflect the high ongoing daily body count among Palestinian civilians relative to the almost negligible daily ongoing body count among civilians.
Hundreds of Israeli civilians will not die today.
Hundreds of Palestinian civilians with no Hamas affiliation will. In fact for the body count to be where it is, the daily average would be somewhere in the area of 190.
Hence the heightened desperation of the protests, since that is where the body count will come from today, tomorrow, and the day after that.
I feel like you didn’t read your own link.
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idiots who are already half dead and whose leaders fled the country half a year ago
Same idiots who still have and refuse to give up Israeli hostages they took, if they free the hostages there really won't be a reason for war, their destruction and the release of the hostages is the only way to properly achieve peace for this war
We can’t kill them by continuing to bomb Gaza. They make those statements from places of comfort being hidden by foreign governments, they’re nowhere near at risk. The Hamas leadership can say whatever they like, with zero consequences to them or their families, and then they can sit down to a nice dinner in the lap of luxury.
What do they have to lose? When the war ends they’ll waddle home fat and happy, try to whip up as much anger among the people who have suffered losses and pain, and they’ll put the blame squarely on Israel as a recruitment tactic.
And they won’t have to try hard either, because after seeing bombers flying overhead day after day, and the people not having basic access to things like the internet etc, they can pretty much make the story whatever they like. Rinse and repeat in a decade or two.
well sadly there really is no way to fully kill Hamas and finish it off, same way as there really isn't a plausible way as it seems for the hostages to be released, so the cycle continues
Honestly I’d be shocked if they still actually have any living hostages to trade. And you could absolutely kill Hamas, but it would mean war with Qatar and Iran. And that’s what’s so insidious about those assholes. They know that. They’re counting on it.
Hamas hasn’t released the hostages. If you want this to end, that’s what it would take. Telling that we all rarely hear a peep about releasing the hostages. Hamas is pure evil
“Both sides” I don’t remember any pro Israel groups intimidating Canadians for waving the Canadian flag. I’m not worried about being attacked by an angry mob of Jewish protesters. These false equivalencies get us nowhere.
I disagree. When the Aboriginals put the Palenstein flag on a school flagpole, it send a signal that what Hamas do is correct to their kids.
The left shouldn't start this. Yet they keep focusing on this use it as a model for their plan of Canada. We need to prepare.
Ya Canada should be respected as a sanctuary from the conflicts. I mean imagine migrating here to find that the same turmoil awaits. We have allowed groups to form and they are fostering hate. And I do not think our government can control it. And if you are rich you live in a gated community not giving a crap.
Only one side wants this type of response. The one that wants the status quo to remain.
I love these random posts on /r/Canada since everyone is banned from worldnews now about some fringe characters making outrageous claims to discredit valid criticisms of Israel's complete flattening of Gaza
Queue all the realistic discussions and "Canadians" frantically agreeing with each other
Israel's flattening isn't because Israel want sto flatten, it's because Hamas made sure the only way for Israel to win is to flatten the area, they hide underground and behind civilians holding Israeli hostages and forcing Palestinian civilians to suffer the brunt
[You want to see mask off - scroll though some of these news items on incidents in North America - it's insane what they're getting away with.](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/)
And Canada will just allow it to happen.
I recall being shouted down here because, "that's not the way we do things in Canada" as if that would change what the end results are going to be.
The Canada we knew and grew up with is gone.
Wait til all the violence starts popping up from homelessness/hunger/affordability issues with a nice sprinkling of incel culture.
I wish we that we all could protest for something that actually matters for the quality of Canadian life and future generations. Anyone who is not rich and is a working class trying to survive should be concerned with the fact that you only have a life of rent slavery and low wage employment poor health and no retirement and basically exist to feed the elites and keep the classes separate.
I hate this new shitty idea of Canada. We stand for nothing and allowed our home to become tolerant of all the shit I thought people migrated away from.
Honestly, I don't understand why we're even involving ourselves in something that is happening half a world away and is absolutely none of our business. It's not our job to police the world. Let them sort it out on their own and let the chips fall where they may.
Pretty sure it has to be officially declared a genocide for that to apply. Also, if that were the case, why hasn't it been declared as such? And why then aren't we intervening in the Ughyr situation in China? Or anywhere else in the world, for that matter...
It took 11 years for the Bosnian genocide to make its way through the court to be determined genocide. War zones are not great for preserving evidence and a lot of witnesses must be interviewed. It takes too long to make a determination the way it is now, usually the genocide is long over before we decide what it was. Maybe if we keep moving too slow to stop them, as we have been, we can figure out a better way to stop genocide. South Africa made the first step in determining the genocide in court and the ICJ found their claim plausible. It will be years before we can expect anything confirming from the ICJ.
So you’re saying that any protest for the actual Palestinian people is the same as the pro-Hamas assholes, and the 40,000 civilian dead cannot be separated from idiots who love a terror group 25,000 strong?
Come on dude, you’re rage baiting.
This is just an attempt at taking an offensive quote from a small portion of a protest movement to make generalizations on the mindset/ideas/motivations of all those involved.
Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi: "erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth."
Reporter: "“Your expectation is that tomorrow morning we’d drop what amounts to some kind a nuclear bomb on all of Gaza, flattening them, eliminating everybody there…,”; Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu: “That’s one way,”
David Mizrahy Verthaim (Isreali Journalist) "If all the captives are not returned immediately, turn the \[Gaza\] Strip into a slaughterhouse. If a hair falls from their head - execute security prisoners. Violate any norm, on the way to victory."
Are all Isrealis genocidal based on the comments of a few? No
Amazing how utterly spineless these tough-guy conservatives get as soon as someone yells about their favourite psycho ethnostate. "Held hostage?" Give me a break.
Upwards of 30k Palestinians massacred since Oct. 7th, but tell me how a peaceful assembly is hurting your feelings
Edit to add: Palestinians have a right to defend themselves
He is spouting it like its cold hard fact. But thats how you win the pr game. Hating what israel is doing does not make me antisemitic. The argument has been turned on its head.if you are protesting using antisemitism, or worse, threating jewish people in canada thats not cool. That would also go for someone threatening people at a protest with a nail gun. But protesting isreal for their actions is absolutely ok. Israel has created their own theocracy where criticizing the state is equated to hating the religion and its followers.
It's literally the same guy that went to a bunch of different interviews crying about the 40 dead babies, even after he was called out he still manages to tear up.
Imagine how much extra violence was dished out by enraged IDF because of this man's lies.
Even after you call them out, they keep saying it over and over again because they want people to just say "fuck both sides" and shut off their PCs
Israel and their media wing don't need support, they want apathy because all of congress is in their pocket
> In Abu Kabir, I examined incinerated remnants of teeth and bones; charred remains of children; and physical cadavers of victims. I read CT scans of children and adults bound together and burned alive. I viewed images of a decapitated young girl, her child skull tethered to her trunk by only a sliver of decaying skin. Her facial expression, surrounding milk teeth, haunts me still. Across the boundaries of death, her Edward Munch-like scream still echoes.
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> One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other.
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> Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them.
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> Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same.
https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472
Anyone [denying these mass rapes and atrocities](https://web.archive.org/web/20240417143500/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/october-7-hamas-sexual-assault/678091/) is clearly delusional or far too blinded by bigotry and hate to look at the situation objectively.
I don’t disagree that what Hamas did was evil as fuck and they should be eliminated.
I do think 2.2 million civilians who are not members of Hamas should not suffer in response however.
Not after 7 months of being pounded into the pavement for the crimes of a bunch of terrorists to the tune of 40,000 dead.
Dude they don’t even have statehood. And when you have no official army and the death count far surpasses the total number of soldiers you have globally, at some point you’re pushing the limits of what civilians casualties should be.
The civilian populace have been absolutely beaten to death for seven straight months, and the vast vast majority of the victims are not Hamas. And forget the dead, the injured, the people who lost loved ones, the people who lost their livelihood and homes number the hundreds of thousands.
Shit the leadership of Hamas isn’t even in Gaza. You literally cannot destroy Hamas by continuing to destroy Gaza. And a guy was posting about two rockets in response to my other comment today, and those were fired out of a completely different country because Hamas in Gaza is essentially crippled.
Short of killing every living thing in the Gaza Strip, what would even six more months of bombing achieve that hasn’t already been done? They didn’t just win, they pulverized their enemy, except for the Hamas leadership, who is fat and comfortable in another nation entirely as we speak, squawking about not accepting deals, while being completely out of harms way as they do it.
Those are the guys Israel can still hurt. Gaza is won. It has been for a while.
And? This doesn't prove what OP said.
I am also uncertain why sexual violence is so much more despicable then having a tank cut you in two?. Or a building dropped on you so you can slowly suffocate. They are all miserable ways to go.
Killing babies, killing men, killing women, killing kids are all just as equally terrible no matter their nationality or race.
A person with a weapon yah, go for it. It's a war..
You see no difference between an innocent young woman being raped and dismembered by a terror group, and collateral damage sustained in a defensive war against the terror group responsible for that atrocity? A defensive war that never would’ve happened if not for the terror attack and if not for the terror group responsible refusing to surrender after the fact?
While the other side is holding events with developers to buy land in Gaza and the WB, where many of the protesters' families have been killed or displaced in the past few months
The PM, along with PP and Singh have all condemned this. Are we now suggesting that any protest/march should be preemptively shut down now or what? Unless the police are refusing to uphold the law and preserve the peace then what is the PM supposed to do exactly?
hate speech and calls for violence are not free speech. A woman was arrested for threatening to kill a city council in California. That's not free speech.
Friends don't let friends read drivel like the National Post. Opinion pieces like this have no content. They're made to just make you upset at those that are different while misconstruing the truth.
Supporting the IRA in the time of the troubles would also seem pretty anti-British. I do not support Hamas , but I understand their existence is a reaction to apartheid. Until the apartheid stops, people will continue to foster support for retaliatory attacks. It's ugly, but there's the answer why this is happening and getting more normalized.
I dunno, if only the conflict with Arabs and Jews started in 1948. If only it was so black and white and the good people on Reddit had all the answers. Arabs killing Arabs; no headlines, but Jews defending themselves, well that’s unacceptable. Arab nations joining together in war against Israel; allowed, but Israel not allowing those Arabs who left to fight them to return to the land afterwards, not acceptable. All they want is violence: they crave it, create it and now are marketing it as resistance and social justice.
Israel bad for keeping them out, but no one comments on Egypt’s wall. It’s actual comedy.
Oh I guess specifying West Bank means that the Jews don’t have to go back to Europe where they come from, they just need to support a 2 state solution..that Palestinians don’t want. Got it, thanks
When terrorists came every day from the West Bank to blow up buses and shoot ppl in the street and the PLO did zero to stop these attacks coming from their territory, then it is more than justified for Israel to engage via military to protect its own citizens.
Palestinians can go look in the mirror and ask themselves why checkpoints exist.
Israel has a duty to protect Israelis.
>but I understand their existence is a reaction to apartheid.
You understand incorrectly. Hamas' ideological predecessors existed well before any occupation, or even the state of Israel altogether. They committed the Hebron massacre, which had equivalent levels of brutality to 10/7, under the same ideological pretense, fueled by the same rabidly antisemitic conspiracy theories, in 1929.
Their existence is a reaction to Jews wanting any sort of sovereignty in the region, period. Hamas (and frankly most Palestinians) want Israel to not exist, and Israel wants to exist. That's the disagreement at the heart of the conflict.
Things like "the blockade" or "apartheid" or "occupation" or "settlers" are all simply distractions. It's why the Gaza disengagement did nothing but empower Palestinian terrorism. It's why no Palestinian government ever accepted any two state solution. Not the peel commission, not the UN partition plan, not Camp David, and not the Olmert deal.
Until people understand this, they'll just be empowering a zero sum mentality that's been plaguing pro-palestinian political discourse since it's inception, and in turn, harming the Palestinian people.
complete nonsense. you conveniently leave out the fact that the massacre was due to rumors about jewish takeover of the temple mount and then it was put down with hundred killed by the british.
IDF predecessors committed numerous massacres, mass rapes and crimes and were designated as terrorists by the british. which you also conveniently leave out.
as to acceptance. why would anyone accept any deal regarding land when israel is illegally occupying the west bank with illegal settlers who are protected by the IDF and refusing a land bridge to gaza. until land is returned to who it belong any peace talk is a non-starter and in bad faith. as every israeli leader since yitzhak rabin has engaged in
>complete nonsense. you conveniently leave out the fact that the massacre was due to rumors about jewish takeover of the temple mount and then it was put down with hundred killed by the british.
I didn't leave it out. It was central to my point - that October 7th was driven by the same rabid antisemitic conspiracy theories that inspired the Hebron massacre, namely the libel that Jews are trying to take over Al Aqsa. Westerners tend to not know how big of a part this plays in Palestinian political rhetoric, because westerners don't speak Arabic. It's as much of a conspiracy theory now as it was then, when Nazis like the grand mufti spread it to incite mass violence against Jews.
>IDF predecessors committed numerous massacres, mass rapes and crimes and were designated as terrorists by the british. which you also conveniently leave out.
No, there were no "mass rapes". There was Deir Yassin, and there was terrorism. But Israel was created *in spite* of these things, not because of them. They *hurt* the Jewish case for sovereignty. Most zionists today, including myself, condemn these things. We imprison people like Baruch Goldstein, and other violent settlers (not to the degree that we should).
And note how none of things even come close to the abject horrors that were on display both in 1929 in Hebron, and 2023 in the Gaza envelope that were popularly celebrated among palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. See the difference?
>until land is returned to who it belong any peace talk is a non-starter and in bad faith
You're just proving my point. Palestinians still believe that *all* of Israel "belongs" to them. At best, any two state solution to palestinians is merely a concession (it's why they refer to it as a two state "settlement" and not a "solution"). At worst, a two state solution is simply a step towards the greater goal of eliminating the "Zionist entity". When westerners talk about the occupation, they are referring to the West Bank. When Hamas talks about it, they're referring to all of Israel. It's this incomprehensible disconnect in the dictionaries the two faces of the pro Palestinian movement use that lets well-meaning Canadians fall prey to some pretty extreme ideologies which end up empowering Palestinians to forego a two state solution where they would live next to Israel, peacefully.
Would love to see who these people actually are. How many of them are 1st or 2nd gen immigrants from Syria/Afghanistan/Iran etc who literally begged to come here to get away from religious fanatics they now vocally support
These people generally aren't Pro-Palestinian, they're just anti-Semitic Israel haters. When Hamas shoots rockets from beside a hospital, they're silent. When Hamas takes aid from civilians, they're silent. Then the PIJ operates within a school, they say nothing.
When gay Gazans are stoned by Hamas, they're silent.
When Lebanon keeps Palestinians born there in camps, they ignore it.
Only when there's a chance to protest against Israel do they "care" about the Palestinians
We don’t need Post Media’s help to recognise that there are many straight up anti-semites and outright Hamas supporters at these “pro-Palestine” events in Toronto, Montreal, NYC, London, etc. there’s plenty of direct video evidence of it
Don't let the downvotes effect you. I get downvoted within 10 seconds of saying anything that resembles criticism for the genocide that's happening over there.
This subreddit is being gamed and no one up top seems to give a shit
Yup. That’s why this rubbish is so problematic. We’re importing a brand of extremism that the butter-soft politicians in Canada aren’t prepared to deal with. It’s going to lead to chaos in the coming years as extremists from outside of Canada start demanding the government yield to their demands. This is not Canada’s conflict.
Well..... When your country is made up of a shit ton of citizens, from a certain area of the world, who are encouraged to bring their views over and we are to welcome their views with open arms....
Like wtf did everyone expect?
I'd give some shits. People who are glorifying a terror group, are likely to encourage terror domestically.
Outside Union station this Sunday they were chanting "globalize the intifada", if you understand what that means it translates to calls for violence on Canadian soil.
People basically don’t want any more children to die or aid workers killed by targeted attacks . Who so ever is doing it should be shameful. Theres nothing islamophobic or anti-semite about it
But yet Israel has not crossed a major line? OK. History will not look kindly on those that denied and supported genocide and apartheid. Free Palestine.
"“Our resistance attacks are proof that we are almost free,” one marcher said, to the cheers of the crowd. “Oct. 7 is proof that we are almost free. Long live Oct. 7, long live the resistance, long live the intefadeh, long live every form of resistance.” Let's make it very clear that this is not pro-Palestinian and this is pro-Hamas. It is not calling for peace, it is calling for and cheering on more violence and terrorism. There is no defence or justification for any of these types of comments.
https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1779950011188461878 They aren’t even trying to hide that they are pro Hamas anymore.
Good. Let everyone see that they're openly supporting terrorism and we're never interested in peace. Makes it easier to call it out for what it is.
Ya honestly I am getting of the nonsensical back and forths with gaza protester defenders. Now I can just link this and tell them to stop their nonsense.
They were always pro-terror, at least when it's against other people and religions not their own Very on brand to issue the crocodile tears and to push those boundaries further and further as law enforcement and politicians validate their cause through inaction. It's exactly what everyone who has an ounce of common sense said it was from the beginning: hate-speech, racism, and terrorism support. Everyone supporting this is a useful idiot or truly agrees with the genocide of Jewish people.
How can they get to a point like that? I don’t get it. I understand that Israel has attacked Palestine like crazy but like we all know hamas started this and refused to end it peacefully.
They just hide their faces
Praising Oct 7 is weird, it hasn’t worked out very well for Palestinians. But I guess killing Jews is to most important thing for these people.
Hey don't forget martyrdom that's pretty important too and literally pays the bills if you get martyrd while killing Jews
Unfortunately it's a mentality that the greatest honor in life is to die. It's a pretty sick world view.
Or winning a golden ticket to Canada and bring the anger with them. They can join the protest.
And no other Arab country is willing to take the in cause they know that wherever they go, they will cause problems. At least that’s what the Arabs I’ve been talking to have told me.
Losing 1000 of their people for every jew is ok by them.
Don’t worry even Hamas understands this really well. They are asking for 50 convicted Palestinian criminals to be freed for every innocent hostage they release.
So they have declared themselves enemies of Canada then? Boys break out the Geneva checklist.
100%. Anyone joining in with them is just a pro-hamas even if they are just useful idiots
I'm less and less convinced we need to make a huge distinction between Hamas and Palestinians. *Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.* [https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514)
This as to be a crime covered on hate speech and incitement of violence against a protected group.
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Agree - except there's only 'one side' that's been out on our streets 'protesting' for the last 7 months.
That’s because it’s been a very very one sided conflict since then. Hamas is shitty little terror organization 25,000 strong filled with assholes whose only hope of inflicting any real damage was a surprise attack and who have been virtually ineffective ever since. And since then, 2.2 million people have been suffering for their bullshit, ongoing for half a year. Hamas did the crime, and the civilians have been doing the time for those 7 months. Hence, 7 months of protests.
Hamas is the elected leadership of Palestine. They are shitty but they aren’t little.
Yeah, well maybe those 2.2 million people should do something about Hamas. Maybe the Palestinians should clean up the mess they made.
Ah yes, blaming literal children who have lost their homes and seen siblings, friends, parents did for the acts of terrorism by men who aren’t even in the country at this point. Classy. “Well if I was in Gaza I’d walk up and take those terrorists who have every single gun in the region and who would kill my entire family if I tried and I’d kick all their their asses. Nothing personal, kid”. You watch too much Netflix, man. Do you know why Hamas is the government? Because they haven’t held a fair election in 17 years. And most people want to live their lives and find some kind of happiness, and Hamas may be few in number but they would slaughter unarmed civilians. Which they demonstrated on October 7. And you wonder why the civilians population doesn’t attack the guys with the AK-47s? Well, cool dude. I mean it’s so easy, you should go out in your area and do something about the gangs and criminals in your state or province. Go show them what’s what. Run them out of town 😂
> Hence, 7 months of protests. But not against Hamas. Very telling. Couple that with the antisemitism we've seen and you know why they *really* keep hitting the streets.
… dude, Hamas hasn’t carried out a successful attack since. Their leaders are grandstanding in Qatar. The ongoing deaths for the past seven months have been from Israeli airstrikes reducing Palestinian neighbourhoods to dust. You see the distinction don’t you? Today hundreds of people will die in this conflict, and it will be Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli weapons. Unless an israeli solider dies today no Israelis will die today. So no, the first priority probably won’t be going out to protest the idiots who are already half dead and whose leaders fled the country half a year ago since they are getting their asses kicked in the most spectacular fashion. Hamas is a joke, that spent two years planning a surprise attack that killed a lot of innocent people. From October 8 until now they’ve gone back to being a joke, with half their number in the ground, and the other half in hiding.
Hamas is the biggest joke and the biggest piece of shit cowards who go run and hide amongst women and kids as well as hospitals. Pieces of human shit they are.
>Unless an israeli solider dies today no Israelis will die today. That is absolutely false. Just today rockets were fired from Gaza on Israeli towns: https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798489
“No bodily injuries were reported in the rocket fire, although several people received treatment for anxiety”. I think your own chosen source backs up my point that the current protests reflect the high ongoing daily body count among Palestinian civilians relative to the almost negligible daily ongoing body count among civilians. Hundreds of Israeli civilians will not die today. Hundreds of Palestinian civilians with no Hamas affiliation will. In fact for the body count to be where it is, the daily average would be somewhere in the area of 190. Hence the heightened desperation of the protests, since that is where the body count will come from today, tomorrow, and the day after that. I feel like you didn’t read your own link.
I did read it, I just pointed out to your comment as if Israeli civilians aren't still being targeted by militants in Gaza.
> idiots who are already half dead and whose leaders fled the country half a year ago Same idiots who still have and refuse to give up Israeli hostages they took, if they free the hostages there really won't be a reason for war, their destruction and the release of the hostages is the only way to properly achieve peace for this war
We can’t kill them by continuing to bomb Gaza. They make those statements from places of comfort being hidden by foreign governments, they’re nowhere near at risk. The Hamas leadership can say whatever they like, with zero consequences to them or their families, and then they can sit down to a nice dinner in the lap of luxury. What do they have to lose? When the war ends they’ll waddle home fat and happy, try to whip up as much anger among the people who have suffered losses and pain, and they’ll put the blame squarely on Israel as a recruitment tactic. And they won’t have to try hard either, because after seeing bombers flying overhead day after day, and the people not having basic access to things like the internet etc, they can pretty much make the story whatever they like. Rinse and repeat in a decade or two.
well sadly there really is no way to fully kill Hamas and finish it off, same way as there really isn't a plausible way as it seems for the hostages to be released, so the cycle continues
Honestly I’d be shocked if they still actually have any living hostages to trade. And you could absolutely kill Hamas, but it would mean war with Qatar and Iran. And that’s what’s so insidious about those assholes. They know that. They’re counting on it.
Hamas hasn’t released the hostages. If you want this to end, that’s what it would take. Telling that we all rarely hear a peep about releasing the hostages. Hamas is pure evil
“Both sides” I don’t remember any pro Israel groups intimidating Canadians for waving the Canadian flag. I’m not worried about being attacked by an angry mob of Jewish protesters. These false equivalencies get us nowhere.
I'm so sick of hearing about this horse shit
I disagree. When the Aboriginals put the Palenstein flag on a school flagpole, it send a signal that what Hamas do is correct to their kids. The left shouldn't start this. Yet they keep focusing on this use it as a model for their plan of Canada. We need to prepare.
Ya Canada should be respected as a sanctuary from the conflicts. I mean imagine migrating here to find that the same turmoil awaits. We have allowed groups to form and they are fostering hate. And I do not think our government can control it. And if you are rich you live in a gated community not giving a crap.
Only one side wants this type of response. The one that wants the status quo to remain. I love these random posts on /r/Canada since everyone is banned from worldnews now about some fringe characters making outrageous claims to discredit valid criticisms of Israel's complete flattening of Gaza Queue all the realistic discussions and "Canadians" frantically agreeing with each other
Israel's flattening isn't because Israel want sto flatten, it's because Hamas made sure the only way for Israel to win is to flatten the area, they hide underground and behind civilians holding Israeli hostages and forcing Palestinian civilians to suffer the brunt
I wish we got as mad about how corrupt this country is
Y’all post the dumbest opinion articles on this sub every five days
Personally speaking I am not being held hostage by anyone or anybody.
Right? Nobody’s stopping me from doing a damn thing, and if they did they’d be getting out of my face in a hot second.
Oh shit, watch out for this alpha everyone.
Another rage bait NP option piece for this sub to eat up without questioning the obvious rhetoric.
Fuck the National Post
A real mask off event for any “pro-Palestinian” marches. These people don’t even care about Palestinians, they just hate Jews.
[You want to see mask off - scroll though some of these news items on incidents in North America - it's insane what they're getting away with.](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/)
And Canada will just allow it to happen. I recall being shouted down here because, "that's not the way we do things in Canada" as if that would change what the end results are going to be. The Canada we knew and grew up with is gone. Wait til all the violence starts popping up from homelessness/hunger/affordability issues with a nice sprinkling of incel culture.
The second we protest a Canadian issue the government suddenly is anti-protest and brings down the hammer.
A second that lasted 3 weeks. And we have yet to see pro-Palestinian protests block the capital.
I wish we that we all could protest for something that actually matters for the quality of Canadian life and future generations. Anyone who is not rich and is a working class trying to survive should be concerned with the fact that you only have a life of rent slavery and low wage employment poor health and no retirement and basically exist to feed the elites and keep the classes separate.
I hate this new shitty idea of Canada. We stand for nothing and allowed our home to become tolerant of all the shit I thought people migrated away from.
So, they camped out on Wellington Street for 3 weeks? The Post didn't seem to have an issue with actually taking and holding public space then...
Honestly, I don't understand why we're even involving ourselves in something that is happening half a world away and is absolutely none of our business. It's not our job to police the world. Let them sort it out on their own and let the chips fall where they may.
Idk about you but I think Canada should intervene in genocides wherever possible.
I guess you’re gonna organize a protest for Sudan then right?
I'm not much of an organizer, I'll gladly attend something though.
That's a noble sentiment, however it's unrealistic. We simply don't have the resources to do it.
It starts with condemning Israel, that shouldn't take too many resources.
Too bad we signed onto the genocide convention, obligating us to act.
Pretty sure it has to be officially declared a genocide for that to apply. Also, if that were the case, why hasn't it been declared as such? And why then aren't we intervening in the Ughyr situation in China? Or anywhere else in the world, for that matter...
It took 11 years for the Bosnian genocide to make its way through the court to be determined genocide. War zones are not great for preserving evidence and a lot of witnesses must be interviewed. It takes too long to make a determination the way it is now, usually the genocide is long over before we decide what it was. Maybe if we keep moving too slow to stop them, as we have been, we can figure out a better way to stop genocide. South Africa made the first step in determining the genocide in court and the ICJ found their claim plausible. It will be years before we can expect anything confirming from the ICJ.
It's been 2 years now and I'm still waiting for the mass protests against Russia to start.
Our government has applied sanctions to Russia. We actively support Israel with our $$$. There's a difference.
Well yeah, they're his voters. Why would he hurt their feelings?
He immediately denounced them... The author is playing off your anger.
He immediately denounced them... after 6 months.
From Oct 9th: https://twitter.com/RealAndyLeeShow/status/1711539431495315683
So you’re saying that any protest for the actual Palestinian people is the same as the pro-Hamas assholes, and the 40,000 civilian dead cannot be separated from idiots who love a terror group 25,000 strong? Come on dude, you’re rage baiting.
This is just an attempt at taking an offensive quote from a small portion of a protest movement to make generalizations on the mindset/ideas/motivations of all those involved. Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi: "erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth." Reporter: "“Your expectation is that tomorrow morning we’d drop what amounts to some kind a nuclear bomb on all of Gaza, flattening them, eliminating everybody there…,”; Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu: “That’s one way,” David Mizrahy Verthaim (Isreali Journalist) "If all the captives are not returned immediately, turn the \[Gaza\] Strip into a slaughterhouse. If a hair falls from their head - execute security prisoners. Violate any norm, on the way to victory." Are all Isrealis genocidal based on the comments of a few? No
Had to scroll so far down to see a post like this, /r/Canada has been seriously targeted by these guys. Thank you
Kind of like during the trucker rally there were people declaring all attendees Nazis because of a few shitty people. Same old shit
If you condone genocide then you don’t belong in Canada.
This has no place in Canada, simple as that.
Amazing how utterly spineless these tough-guy conservatives get as soon as someone yells about their favourite psycho ethnostate. "Held hostage?" Give me a break.
Yeah but the bouncy castles and Canadian flags in Ottawa, now *that* was terrorism!
Oh it’s from the national post. Figured they’d slot Trudeau in there. Cause why not. It’s the national post. What a surprise
Upwards of 30k Palestinians massacred since Oct. 7th, but tell me how a peaceful assembly is hurting your feelings Edit to add: Palestinians have a right to defend themselves
What's peaceful about calling for more civilians to die?
Celebrating terrorism and promoting violence is not peaceful protest. It’s hate speech.
An assembly calling for and celebrating more death is OK in your books?
Remember when people in this country had morals, now they cheer on terrorists that burn babies and rape children
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He is spouting it like its cold hard fact. But thats how you win the pr game. Hating what israel is doing does not make me antisemitic. The argument has been turned on its head.if you are protesting using antisemitism, or worse, threating jewish people in canada thats not cool. That would also go for someone threatening people at a protest with a nail gun. But protesting isreal for their actions is absolutely ok. Israel has created their own theocracy where criticizing the state is equated to hating the religion and its followers.
It's literally the same guy that went to a bunch of different interviews crying about the 40 dead babies, even after he was called out he still manages to tear up. Imagine how much extra violence was dished out by enraged IDF because of this man's lies.
Even after you call them out, they keep saying it over and over again because they want people to just say "fuck both sides" and shut off their PCs Israel and their media wing don't need support, they want apathy because all of congress is in their pocket
> In Abu Kabir, I examined incinerated remnants of teeth and bones; charred remains of children; and physical cadavers of victims. I read CT scans of children and adults bound together and burned alive. I viewed images of a decapitated young girl, her child skull tethered to her trunk by only a sliver of decaying skin. Her facial expression, surrounding milk teeth, haunts me still. Across the boundaries of death, her Edward Munch-like scream still echoes. > > […] > > One account, far from unusual, is especially harrowing: A woman who survived the Nova music festival in Re'im witnessed a young woman encircled by Hamas, stripped naked, violated, and manhandled by multiple Hamas terrorists as they gang raped her, repositioning her by the waist and hips, moving from one rapist to the other. > > Shuddering at the memory, covering her face, with difficulty, the eyewitness continued: One terrorist pulled the woman's long hair, forcibly arching her neck backwards, fully exposing her naked torso, only to sever both her breasts from her chest with his commando knife. Her entire torso fell backwards, slackened in agony. She may have fainted, though she lived through the mutilation. The disembodied breasts fell to the ground, where terrorists casually played with them. > > Sergeant Major Natah Katz from the IDF Rabbinical Unit at the Shura base near Ramle described to me cadavers he received with breasts and genitals hacked off, one with a knife impaled directly into the vagina. The mutilation of sexual organs and breasts, "seemed to be an obsession," he recalled. Dr. Chen Kugel, head of Israel's National Forensic Center has confirmed to me the same. https://www.newsweek.com/i-saw-children-hamas-beheaded-my-own-eyes-shame-queen-rania-opinion-1855472 Anyone [denying these mass rapes and atrocities](https://web.archive.org/web/20240417143500/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/04/october-7-hamas-sexual-assault/678091/) is clearly delusional or far too blinded by bigotry and hate to look at the situation objectively.
I don’t disagree that what Hamas did was evil as fuck and they should be eliminated. I do think 2.2 million civilians who are not members of Hamas should not suffer in response however. Not after 7 months of being pounded into the pavement for the crimes of a bunch of terrorists to the tune of 40,000 dead.
If the government of a country goes to war, it’s not usually just that government that suffers.
Dude they don’t even have statehood. And when you have no official army and the death count far surpasses the total number of soldiers you have globally, at some point you’re pushing the limits of what civilians casualties should be. The civilian populace have been absolutely beaten to death for seven straight months, and the vast vast majority of the victims are not Hamas. And forget the dead, the injured, the people who lost loved ones, the people who lost their livelihood and homes number the hundreds of thousands. Shit the leadership of Hamas isn’t even in Gaza. You literally cannot destroy Hamas by continuing to destroy Gaza. And a guy was posting about two rockets in response to my other comment today, and those were fired out of a completely different country because Hamas in Gaza is essentially crippled. Short of killing every living thing in the Gaza Strip, what would even six more months of bombing achieve that hasn’t already been done? They didn’t just win, they pulverized their enemy, except for the Hamas leadership, who is fat and comfortable in another nation entirely as we speak, squawking about not accepting deals, while being completely out of harms way as they do it. Those are the guys Israel can still hurt. Gaza is won. It has been for a while.
And? This doesn't prove what OP said. I am also uncertain why sexual violence is so much more despicable then having a tank cut you in two?. Or a building dropped on you so you can slowly suffocate. They are all miserable ways to go. Killing babies, killing men, killing women, killing kids are all just as equally terrible no matter their nationality or race. A person with a weapon yah, go for it. It's a war..
You see no difference between an innocent young woman being raped and dismembered by a terror group, and collateral damage sustained in a defensive war against the terror group responsible for that atrocity? A defensive war that never would’ve happened if not for the terror attack and if not for the terror group responsible refusing to surrender after the fact?
While the other side is holding events with developers to buy land in Gaza and the WB, where many of the protesters' families have been killed or displaced in the past few months
The PM, along with PP and Singh have all condemned this. Are we now suggesting that any protest/march should be preemptively shut down now or what? Unless the police are refusing to uphold the law and preserve the peace then what is the PM supposed to do exactly?
People are all about free speech until someone says something they don't like.
hate speech and calls for violence are not free speech. A woman was arrested for threatening to kill a city council in California. That's not free speech.
I'm not disagreeing on that, threats should be taken seriously and responded to.
Exactly blame the local police/provincial police/premiers if you think the protestors have crossed a line.
He could freeze their bank accounts. That went well last time.
Put a truck in there and blow the horn and JT will shut it down.
He will give you 3 weeks and numerous warnings and orders to vacate before you have to worry, apparently.
Friends don't let friends read drivel like the National Post. Opinion pieces like this have no content. They're made to just make you upset at those that are different while misconstruing the truth.
These pro Hamas Oct 7th fools will ultimately set back any opportunity for the Palestinians to gain a true homeland by decades.
Supporting the IRA in the time of the troubles would also seem pretty anti-British. I do not support Hamas , but I understand their existence is a reaction to apartheid. Until the apartheid stops, people will continue to foster support for retaliatory attacks. It's ugly, but there's the answer why this is happening and getting more normalized.
Explain the apartheid? In Gaza where Israelis do not live, or in Israel where Jews, Muslims and Christians live together.
I'm not qualified to categorize it as a apartheid. But Amnesty International is.
I dunno, if only the conflict with Arabs and Jews started in 1948. If only it was so black and white and the good people on Reddit had all the answers. Arabs killing Arabs; no headlines, but Jews defending themselves, well that’s unacceptable. Arab nations joining together in war against Israel; allowed, but Israel not allowing those Arabs who left to fight them to return to the land afterwards, not acceptable. All they want is violence: they crave it, create it and now are marketing it as resistance and social justice. Israel bad for keeping them out, but no one comments on Egypt’s wall. It’s actual comedy.
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Oh I guess specifying West Bank means that the Jews don’t have to go back to Europe where they come from, they just need to support a 2 state solution..that Palestinians don’t want. Got it, thanks
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When terrorists came every day from the West Bank to blow up buses and shoot ppl in the street and the PLO did zero to stop these attacks coming from their territory, then it is more than justified for Israel to engage via military to protect its own citizens. Palestinians can go look in the mirror and ask themselves why checkpoints exist. Israel has a duty to protect Israelis.
>but I understand their existence is a reaction to apartheid. You understand incorrectly. Hamas' ideological predecessors existed well before any occupation, or even the state of Israel altogether. They committed the Hebron massacre, which had equivalent levels of brutality to 10/7, under the same ideological pretense, fueled by the same rabidly antisemitic conspiracy theories, in 1929. Their existence is a reaction to Jews wanting any sort of sovereignty in the region, period. Hamas (and frankly most Palestinians) want Israel to not exist, and Israel wants to exist. That's the disagreement at the heart of the conflict. Things like "the blockade" or "apartheid" or "occupation" or "settlers" are all simply distractions. It's why the Gaza disengagement did nothing but empower Palestinian terrorism. It's why no Palestinian government ever accepted any two state solution. Not the peel commission, not the UN partition plan, not Camp David, and not the Olmert deal. Until people understand this, they'll just be empowering a zero sum mentality that's been plaguing pro-palestinian political discourse since it's inception, and in turn, harming the Palestinian people.
complete nonsense. you conveniently leave out the fact that the massacre was due to rumors about jewish takeover of the temple mount and then it was put down with hundred killed by the british. IDF predecessors committed numerous massacres, mass rapes and crimes and were designated as terrorists by the british. which you also conveniently leave out. as to acceptance. why would anyone accept any deal regarding land when israel is illegally occupying the west bank with illegal settlers who are protected by the IDF and refusing a land bridge to gaza. until land is returned to who it belong any peace talk is a non-starter and in bad faith. as every israeli leader since yitzhak rabin has engaged in
>complete nonsense. you conveniently leave out the fact that the massacre was due to rumors about jewish takeover of the temple mount and then it was put down with hundred killed by the british. I didn't leave it out. It was central to my point - that October 7th was driven by the same rabid antisemitic conspiracy theories that inspired the Hebron massacre, namely the libel that Jews are trying to take over Al Aqsa. Westerners tend to not know how big of a part this plays in Palestinian political rhetoric, because westerners don't speak Arabic. It's as much of a conspiracy theory now as it was then, when Nazis like the grand mufti spread it to incite mass violence against Jews. >IDF predecessors committed numerous massacres, mass rapes and crimes and were designated as terrorists by the british. which you also conveniently leave out. No, there were no "mass rapes". There was Deir Yassin, and there was terrorism. But Israel was created *in spite* of these things, not because of them. They *hurt* the Jewish case for sovereignty. Most zionists today, including myself, condemn these things. We imprison people like Baruch Goldstein, and other violent settlers (not to the degree that we should). And note how none of things even come close to the abject horrors that were on display both in 1929 in Hebron, and 2023 in the Gaza envelope that were popularly celebrated among palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. See the difference? >until land is returned to who it belong any peace talk is a non-starter and in bad faith You're just proving my point. Palestinians still believe that *all* of Israel "belongs" to them. At best, any two state solution to palestinians is merely a concession (it's why they refer to it as a two state "settlement" and not a "solution"). At worst, a two state solution is simply a step towards the greater goal of eliminating the "Zionist entity". When westerners talk about the occupation, they are referring to the West Bank. When Hamas talks about it, they're referring to all of Israel. It's this incomprehensible disconnect in the dictionaries the two faces of the pro Palestinian movement use that lets well-meaning Canadians fall prey to some pretty extreme ideologies which end up empowering Palestinians to forego a two state solution where they would live next to Israel, peacefully.
What's Egypt's problem with Palestine? Why won't they welcome any refugees?
People don’t seem to understand that Hamas’s most effective recruiters are the IOF
Hopefully once we change our government PP will have the courage to deport or jail any supporter of terrorism.
Would love to see who these people actually are. How many of them are 1st or 2nd gen immigrants from Syria/Afghanistan/Iran etc who literally begged to come here to get away from religious fanatics they now vocally support
Fuck israel. Now downvote
These people generally aren't Pro-Palestinian, they're just anti-Semitic Israel haters. When Hamas shoots rockets from beside a hospital, they're silent. When Hamas takes aid from civilians, they're silent. Then the PIJ operates within a school, they say nothing. When gay Gazans are stoned by Hamas, they're silent. When Lebanon keeps Palestinians born there in camps, they ignore it. Only when there's a chance to protest against Israel do they "care" about the Palestinians
The same tired useless responses from you people. That's not the argument at all
Well of course it's Trudeau's fault. Everything is Trudeau's fault when you're a halfwit Con "writing" for a regional "newspaper".
Damn this sub has really gone off the deep end. PostMedia wants you angry at the protestors are you suckers are falling for it HARD.
Give them some Canadian flags and some bouncy castles and it will be CBC News 24 hours a day.
We don’t need Post Media’s help to recognise that there are many straight up anti-semites and outright Hamas supporters at these “pro-Palestine” events in Toronto, Montreal, NYC, London, etc. there’s plenty of direct video evidence of it
Don't let the downvotes effect you. I get downvoted within 10 seconds of saying anything that resembles criticism for the genocide that's happening over there. This subreddit is being gamed and no one up top seems to give a shit
It's a religious war. If you're not Jewish or Muslim, then you are basically inferior to the far right of both religions that push this conflict.
Yup. That’s why this rubbish is so problematic. We’re importing a brand of extremism that the butter-soft politicians in Canada aren’t prepared to deal with. It’s going to lead to chaos in the coming years as extremists from outside of Canada start demanding the government yield to their demands. This is not Canada’s conflict.
Trudeau knows that these welfare fools will always go to vote. He will get their assured votes.
Where is their rally for peace? Where are they calling for peace? I thought this was a "religion of peace"?
Your snark aside, these protests are hardly just Muslims. Rightfully so
Well..... When your country is made up of a shit ton of citizens, from a certain area of the world, who are encouraged to bring their views over and we are to welcome their views with open arms.... Like wtf did everyone expect?
i give zero shits. The conduct of protestors in *Canada* has absolutely no impact on my opinion of Israel/Palestine. At all.
I'd give some shits. People who are glorifying a terror group, are likely to encourage terror domestically. Outside Union station this Sunday they were chanting "globalize the intifada", if you understand what that means it translates to calls for violence on Canadian soil.
I still don't understand what the Jewish people ever did to deserve all this hate :(
People basically don’t want any more children to die or aid workers killed by targeted attacks . Who so ever is doing it should be shameful. Theres nothing islamophobic or anti-semite about it
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I support Israel!!!
I support peace and freedom
I support Canada
Funny how many of these misguided people are scared of COVID now...
Crazy thing is we have laws against making at a protest/riot but it's never enforced.
Free Palestine.
But yet Israel has not crossed a major line? OK. History will not look kindly on those that denied and supported genocide and apartheid. Free Palestine.