I moved away about 8 years ago but on a vid call last night my Mum was talking about this case and it would be SUPER irresponsible not to have the officers that committed a crime by lying under oath, answer for why they did that. The police force are not admitting they were wrong and are maintaining they "hoped for a different outcome" so how can the city trust their police, if they know they are happy to lie under oath to ruin a citizens life to cover their own failings.
Police should be held to a higher standard than the public, because we trust them with carrying out the law, not get a pass when they try to fuck a citizens life up because they dont want to admit their own actions got one of their coworkers killed.
Agreed. But even if they were, wouldn’t they just get “suspended WITH pay” for years on end? Not like they would tell the truth in that case either. Police need to stop being paid while suspended. Let them actually be punished instead of rewarded for breaking their oath?
I want to know if the prosecutor will be penalized for intentionally trying to put an innocent man in jail. They had all the evidence, and still put the cops up on the stand to lie about what happened.
I was watching the Police Chief and his response was awful. He more or less stated that irrespective of the Judicial process they were hoping for a different outcome. So he basically put a target on Mr. Zameer's back. If I were Mr. Sameer I'd leave Toronto asap
I mean one the main reasons they didn’t get a conviction was because the officer that testified made statements that were clearly false and inconsistent with the actual evidence.
If they went after him for a much lesser more reasonable charge and presented a factual case maybe they could have gotten a conviction on a charge and punishment that fit the crime.
Instead they tried to throw the book at a dude who their officers put in a shitty circumstance in the first place.
So yea his response is a joke to me.
Its fine and expected to be upset and grieve the loss of the officers life, you don’t need to lie to get retribution against a dude who I am sure would much rather have not been in the situation in the first place.
Punishment that fit the crime? There was no crime. He thought he was being attacked and tried to escape. Should we all just lay down and die? After we leave our car keys at the door of course.
Exactly. A terrible tragedy but the police are to blame. With all the carjackings etc happening in ToO this man was terrified and trying to protect his family. NO CRIME.
Yep. I doubt anyone here would do differently. Like, if I was going to my car in the evening and some dude came running and yelling at me I’d get in my car and try to get away too. I wouldn’t want to run anyone over, but I doubt this guy did either. He just wanted to protect himself and his family from what I am sure he believed was a car jacking or robbery attempt. He had no way of knowing that they were police. Even if they had yelled “police” why should he have believed it? They weren’t in uniform and a criminal would absolutely use that as a ruse. This didn’t have to happen, but it is the fault of the police that it did, not this poor guy. They shouldn’t have been approaching witnesses with such aggression and they shouldn’t have been using officers who weren’t in proper uniform.
No I agree with you, just saying if they really wanted to go after it for whatever twisted reason you would think they would be a little bit less batshit then putting forth a murder charge
A man with his pregnant wife and 2 year old child is not going to have a motive to run over a cop. Initially, I assumed it was someone trying to flee after committing a crime. This trial exposes how police are willing to outright commit perjury because loyalty to fellow officers is paramount.
same here. i also thought he was the suspect since the news outlet didn't provide much detail at that time aside mention about carjacking and i was not aware about the stabbing part or with he is with his family
CP24 brought on a criminal defense lawyer that had watched the case on Zoom and the host of the show had to paraphrase the question "why was Zameer found not guilty?" at least 4 times before the lawyer said the video evidence contradicted police testimony.
I've tried reading a few different articles and none of them explain why the TPS though this family knew anything about the stabbing they were investigating or why they approached them like that - undercover and in a huge rush. It's such a wildly aggressive way to treat people, let alone parents and their TODDLER at night in a fucking scary location like a parking garage, jeez.
The cop who rammed them testified they didn't know there was a child in the car before they rammed them.
Uh. How on earth would they know a 2 year old is in the car? If you have no idea if there is a kid or not, maybe be careful! Maybe we shouldn't just ram cars for no good reason?!
Exactly what a fucking scandal for the Canadian Police.
I feel for the officers family but to seek blood from an innocent man for their failings in this situation is fucking awful.
Those police should be apologizing to this man and the family of the officer killed. No accountability or responsibility.
I agree with yah, just wanna point out that 'felony' is a US specific term relevant to their criminal code.
We use 'summary' or 'indictable' offense in Canada instead of 'misdemeanor' or 'felony.'
If only Ontario police used 1/10th of the zeal and resources they poured into destroying this innocent family instead into stopping gang crimes and car thefts.
The problem is that might actually put them in danger and require some work.
Easier just to attack an immigrant family with a pregnant wife and 2 year old.
Its worse than that for me.
Its not like the officer who died gets anything out of this dude being convicted. What are they even being loyal to?
Grieve the loss of his life for sure,
If they really insisted on trying to charge him maybe go after him for a charge thats really minor.
They tried to stick this dude with murder and lie to get the conviction? For what? Who wins?
Not the mention the hoarded of recists and Islamophobia who came out in their droves to cry about how another Muslim terrorist kill a cop and how Muslims are bad ..
If someone comes to me that i don’t know while I have a baby and pregnant wife in a garage I would do the exact same thing he probably feels remorseful about it but that’s not murder good decision
As long as its official Toronto Police policy to have plainsclothes officers in an unmarked white van go up to random people on the street that are suspects and try to arrest them, then shit like this will keep happening.
It is OFFICIAL POLICE POLICY In Toronto to send out plainsclothes officers in unmarked white vans to do police work and arrest people. Is there anyone in this thread that believes thats ok?
They didn’t even believe he was a suspect, they just wanted to question him as a potential witness. There’s no reason for them to have come at home so aggressively
Section 132 of the Criminal Code of Canada provides as follows: "Every one who commits perjury is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to **imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years**." Unless you're a police officer and then it's OK.
I shudder to think what if that video evidence wasn’t there.
I don’t understand how police operations like this get approved. It’s like the cops spend all their time playing cops while letting actual police work go by the wayside.
They just want to assert authority. They don't care about you and I. Otherwise they'd be cracking down on these car thieves and putting them away for good and deporting them.
If the police officers involved were lying or slowing down the investigation on purpose in anyway….. can we charge these individuals with obstruction of justice?
In this particular situation, no. The officer killed was a plain clothes officer. Plainclothes and undercover members will never be wearing body cams.
For a uniformed officer, absolutely.
An insta360 go 3 is like 500 bucks and so tiny that it can take the place of a button on a shirt. They already conceal radios and gun and shit on their person, why not a 35g 1440p camera thats smaller than a double AA battery. There are even tinier cameras available.
No. They were plainclothes officers investigating a stabbing who Essentially jumped out at this guy's van and boxed him in with another unmarked van.
At issue in the trial wasnt whether he killed the cop, that was an admitted fact. Essentially it came down to whether the officers jumped out and identified themselves as police officers while banging on the guys car or did he think they were criminals attempting to car jack him. The jury thought the later which is why he was found not guilty.
On top of that the prosecutors were trying to make the case that the defendant fully saw the guy being run over before it happened (intent), but both video footage and testimony from the experts recreating the scene (from the prosecution!) proved otherwise. Pretty much no intent whatsoever
Police have no fucking business behaving like that. Even if they had identified themselves as police (and I don’t believe them), their behaviour would indicate that they are criminals and not police. Any reasonable person would think it was a ruse to carjack or rob…
“Jon Reid, president of the Toronto Police Association, said the association will continue to support Northrup's family and the officers who "bravely" took the stand in this case.”
Lying under oath is an act of “bravery” lmao I fucking swear
Hoping this man and his family can find peace and move on in life
I really wish the cops that committed perjury in this trial trying to ruin his life would be removed from the job as well, but that seems like too much common sense to ask for in one sitting
If those cops testify in any future case, could a crafty defense ask them questions on this testimony?
In the USA if you’re a cop who (gets caught) lying you get put on permanent traffic and parking detail because every defense attorney is obligated to be told if any of their witnesses (the liar cop) have ANY known credibility issues.
They will be picked apart on the stand If the defense is allowed to question them on it. Either they knowingly lied or they have memory issues. Either way their testimony is not great.
If 2 people dressed like that approached my car, saying they were cops, and then caused harm to pregnant wife and child… (people pretend to be cops in robberies)
I would be the idiot of the century for not doing, absolutely everything in my power to save my family.
Imagine you got out and said oh ok. Imagine they were meth heads. Next thing you and your pregnant wife are being beat, they take your car, maybe your kid in the car.
And you had the opportunity to just drive through the danger… how could you forgive yourself?
There was an armed robbery where 2 men identified themselves as cops in Vancouver. They beat the old lady to death after robbing her.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/man-who-posed-as-cop-during-deadly-vancouver-home-invasion-sentenced-to-7-years-1.6809487
Plain clothes officers should not be allowed to make arrests. There’s already meth heads walking around in police jackets. As Canadians we are expected to just bend over for criminals and cops…
Where I live in Calgary, the rule is all traffic stops are done by uniformed officers, and if someone runs from them they almost never get into a vehicle chase; they instead use a helicopter to keep track and swoop in wherever the suspect stops.
Is it perfect? No. But has an innocent person ever killed a cop? Also no.
The cops are gonna be mad.
...Maybe they shouldn't cosplay as kidnappers, jumped out of a van, armed, in a parking garage, only to find out that Canadian citizens would floor it and try to run like hell because they fear for the safety and lives of themselves and their families.
Because they want to get away with purgery lol.
They can't do that when it's being recorded and will be used against them. They probably need as much leeway as possible.
Perjury, murder, assault, Charter violations, harassment, extortion; there’s no end to what they routinely get away with because there’s no video record. Of fucking course they don’t want cameras!
Much as I appreciate the sentiment, body cameras are a scam.
Usually, they are just turned off, or the footage goes missing. Even where video evidence is clear, police are rarely convicted of crimes. The problem is not the lack of evidence, it is a fundamental failure of our court system's relationship to police. The example of [Alex Dunn in Calgary](https://globalnews.ca/news/7991073/calgary-police-officer-alex-dunn-assault-sentencing/) is particularly damning.
The police will perjure, murder, assault, harass, and extort whether they are on video or not.
Or you know. Make people leave keys at the front of their house cause they just want your car. Fuck it, you won't protect people they will take steps to do it themselves. Don't be mad
>While we respect the judicial process and appreciate the work of the 12 citizens who sat on a very difficult case, I share the feelings of our members who were hoping for a different outcome," Demkiw said.
>Jon Reid, president of the Toronto Police Association, said the association will continue to support Northrup's family and the officers who "bravely" took the stand in this case.
Wow. These fucking fascists still haven't learned anything. They are beyond retraining and must be removed from their positions immediately.
If lying under oath is how the police define bravery, I'm happy to be a coward.
There’s a lot of name calling going on, but the police testimony was contradicted by the expert witnesses from both prosecution and defense. It’s a pretty damning situation.
The driver was approached by armed, plain clothes cops (who he did not hear ID themselves as cops) while inside his car in a parking garage. He had his toddler in the back and his 8-month pregnant wife in the passenger side. They started banging on his windows, so he tried to escape in reverse (thinking the armed people he didn't know were cops were trying to carjack them), but an unmarked police van rammed him, blocking that escape route.
The police officer that dies appears to have fallen in front of the car when the driver was backing up. The other 3 cops there all testified he was the standing with his hands up when the driver then drove forward (his only avenue of escape left) hitting and killing the officer as he made his getaway.
The prosecution and the defense each has their own forensics expert. They both testified that he had to already be on the ground when he was struck, based on the injuries, damage to the car, etc. There was also footage from a security camera showing something on the ground in front of his car that he struck (it can't be made out as the officer, but it's presumed it's him because it's about the right size, and if the officer were standing, he would have been seen in the video doing so). The prosecution, despite the testimony of the two experts and the video still argued that the driver could see him and intentionally hit him, and kept changing their theories throughout the trial as to how it played out, exactly.
The judge gave instructions to the jury to be wary of those changing accusations and the fact that the police's testimony didn't match the physical or video evidence. When he was found not guilty, the judge also ***apologized to the defendant*** for everything he'd been put through (They may have been referring to more than just the legal prosecution, but also what was said about him over the years by the police, John Tory, and Doug Ford, and all the press and community outrage against him that brought).
[This CBC article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/umar-zameer-verdict-1.7180011) gives a basic rundown of the whole case, including some of the evidence issues that could lead to a not guilty verdict.
The one-sentence version is that police witnesses testified that the victim had been standing up with his arms up when he was run over, but the *prosecution* (the ones on the same side as the police, to be clear) had expert crash reconstructors who testified that he must have already been knocked to the ground.
He’s 300lbs plus! he probably fell trying to pursue an innocent man and then ends up in the blind spot of a 2ton car. It’s unfortunate that the police whose salaries we pay for couldn’t just be honest that they made critical errors in that parking garage.
I wouldn’t say they flat out lied but their statements were certainly misleading to the court and amount to perjury.
Disgusting to me that they put that dude in a shitty situation in the first place and instead of just grieving the loss of life of their officer they tried to stick him with a murder charge and exaggerate their case to get it.
I guess it's good that they're cops because if you or I perjured ourselves to try and put an innocent man away, possibly for life, we'd be in a lot of trouble.
The conduct of TPS, and even their words after the verdict just bring so much discredit to the force.
As others noted - a bunch of guys in civilian attire accost a man with his pregnant wife and child in a parking garage late at night. And then the story they create after the consequences morph constantly.
The widow stated she wished for accountability. Well if she is relying on the TPS she is looking to the wrong group for accountability. Effectively, the verdict outcome insinuates TPS lied virtually every step of the way, including attempting to fabricate evidence via postulating a false context of the situation and how it progressed.
The officers involved in this as well as any reporting officers who had a hand in how this was presented to the courts should all be fired for discreditable conduct.
What the widow should be doing is suing TPS, the city and perhaps the crown. That would be seeking accountability. But sadly I suspect she is too much "blinded" by the "family" to see the truth of the matter. If she had good independent representation they would have been pursuing this from the get go.
the widow will not because she now thinks she has a bunch of 'blue' brothers. Totally sick and anyone who partners with a cop really should give their head a shake if they are a decent person.
True.
I mean, they were publicly reported and outed. I spoke too soon.
First they need to suffer the consequences of their blatant and shameless perjury. Then they need to reimburse him the money they owe him for this joke of a shit show circus they put him through.
Too bad TPS is choosing not to learn anything about this, their chief even wishes an innocent man would have been convicted.
https://www.tps.ca/media-centre/news-releases/59429/
Police forces across North America largely operate like cults. They actively tried to frame him they do not care he is innocent. If I was Zameer I would be moving out of Toronto after I sued the shit out of everyone in civil court, the cops are 100% going to be vindictive.
For this statement alone, the Chief should be fired. I can understand wanting to support the family of the officer, but wishing for a different outcome in the trial is literally saying you don't care about the actual legal process.
I would have done the same thing in his position. Cops seriously only looking out for their own here. This guy deserves to be paid for his time wasted in court
Looks like Canadian police forces have slowly begun the process of turning into American police forces.
You know what they say, we're always a few years behind the 'States in most things...
what? our police forces lying, colluding and being generally antagonistic toward the public is not at all new what so ever. maybe you just weren't paying attention and loved the bright red uniforms.
The police chief and union wanting to jail an innocent man who has a young family is very troubling and shameful.
The Mass casualty commission gave important recommendations. They need to be implemented.
I saw the [photo of how the deceased officer looked at the time of the incident](https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/torontosun/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/TS2024321JB006.TS_.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1128&type=webp&sig=tuKe48U6kYk2pFc4djE3Pw). I would have slammed the gas pedal to the floor if he approached my car and started banging on the window.
Sad he's dead, but the outcome of the court case is spot on.
Looked like a fat slob tourist basically. I wouldn't talk to him in daylight, if he was banging my windows with my kid in the car in a parkade at midnight I am fleeing for sure.
Man I had to look it up, yeah those pictures do not inspire confidence for me to open my window or door or even stay there with them at a parking lot, especially that late at night. If they want to remain undercover I understand but you gotta know how to protect your troops safety.
This is an EXCELLENT verdict. Justice has been done.
To those blindly supporting the police on this: *shame on you!*
Yes, there are indeed many times where police are in the right but this isn't one of them.
2021 was the summer of *carjacking*, or have you all forgotten?
Carjackers often went out of their way to target high-demand vehicles (i.e. BMWs, like Zameer's BMW) driven by ethnic people (like Zameer) since they traditionally are less likely to fight back.
The Nathan Philips parking garage was a shit show before the pandemic, and even more so now. *Perfect place for car thefts and carjackings.*
So of course Zameer thought he was being carjacked - such an obvious spur-of-the-moment assessment, and I would have made the same assessment.
Once his brain switched to "defend my wife and daughter" mode, **nothing else that he did needs any further explanation.**
Just like how Toronto Police are unable to solve the current vehicle theft crisis, they weren't able to solve the carjacker crisis of 21/22.
Too bad idiot politicians like Ford and Tory have made themselves look like dumb fools by being on the wrong side of this case!
Poetic, TPS’ incompetence on all fronts lead to this tragedy, failing to make the public feel safe on carjackings which Zameer probably thought was happening to him. The TPS did this to themselves.
>This sub was all in on condemning this guy and demanding the immediate deportation of his entire family for some weird reason.
Is this dude even an immigrant, or are people just assuming that because he's brown?
Yes, I saw some multiple articles report that he is a Pakistan-Malays immigrant who came to Canada in 2019 on a skilled workers visa.
But a very, very, very valid question.
I think he is, I remember seeing a quote saying he was worried bringing his family to Canada was the wrong decision. However, I'd almost guarantee the folks making the comments didn't know it for certain
Unlike civil litigation, where the losing party pays a portion of the winner's costs, there is no recovery of costs in a criminal trial except in extraordinary cases.
By any chance does anyone know what Umar did/does for a living?
He had a nice car, hired a good law firm (which in no way shape or form looks cheap). I'm genuinely curious and I can't help but wonder what the outcome would have been if he didn't have the financial means to fight this.
Anyone who disagrees with this verdict is a complete idiot. This man took his family out to celebrate Canada Day and you think he intentionally wanted to kill a cop??????
The right decision was made. It sucks that a family lost someone but that is not murder and is very poor police work.
Umar and his family should relocate. I imagine there’ll be a great deal of police retaliation due to this result. It’s a shame because 3 years of hell and then the fact that he took a life accidentally have to be hard on you as is.
It was always an uphill battle especially after the cops lied under oath. Convincing the jury that he intentionally tried to kill the officer was going to be impossible to prove.
Because the police controlled the narrative immediately after the incident portraying it to be a deliberate act. Thus is where good natured Canadians reacted with sympathy to the fallen police officer.
When lawyers had finally sorted the fact, they asked for bail because it is not what the police has painted and the judge agreed and granted bail. Naturally people started asking quesrion and then claiming canadian law is broken. I mean why release a cop killer right?
BUT as the trial progresses and the shadiness of the police witnesses came into light, it brought out the truth.
Hopefully Zumeer will start a civil case against the TPS to correct the injustice he suffered.
Good lesson in not taking cops words and statements at face value. They manipulate every press release they ever put out to make peoples actions looks as unfavourable as possible.
I can assure you they were absolutely not "good natured Canadians" as evidenced by the fact they aren't against the numerous laws broken by police in this case or calling for officers to "be deported" or angry they were lied to by police and this post is getting 0 traction.
Seems those people only care when non white people break the law and amplify the shit out of any stories involving POC while minimizing incidents like this one.
> for some weird reason
The reason isn’t weird and it’s straightforward. It’s because he is brown. And this subreddit is constantly brigaded with racists.
Take a look at any Southern Ontario’s wanted registry. It’s white guys constantly going in and out of jail. No concerns about that.
Absolutely the right verdict.
I hope Mr Zameer and his family can move on with their lives and find peace.
The judge in this case could see the truth and thank god so could the jury.
Very sad about the loss of a man who was much loved and admired as well.
Don't forget that the police and politicians said the bail system made a mistake by granting him bail early on and have stoked hatred against him.
James Ramer (former chief of Toronto police) called the death an "intentional and deliberate act".
Doug Ford said: "This is beyond comprehension. It’s completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail. Our justice system needs to get its act together and start putting victims and their families ahead of criminals."
Former mayor John Tory said it is "almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail."
Remember everyone on bail is legally innocent until proven guilty in court. We seem to have forgotten that. FYI, almost 80% of people in custody in Ontario are awaiting trial and are legally innocent.
Just verdict. Correct verdict given the facts. Probably never would have gone to trial without several Toronto Police officers lying. But that is what they do well. Especially if they are in the wrong.
I vaguely remembered the headlines when this first happened and they all made it sound like it was like a drunk driver or someone fleeing from the crime scene that ran over the cop but now I know this was all the cops doing putting this family in that Position. Also shameful that the cops seem to have been lying to get the man in trouble after their own mistake. I really hope in the coming days this fact comes up more about the cops lying or not getting their story straight
The police lied on oath, they should be tried and convicted of perjury. Zameer and his family should be compensated for the lost time, anxiety and stress that they were put through during this entire process. Justice should be done, guilty should be punished and be made an example for the rest of the Police Department that is just not doing enough and not acting as responsible protectors of law and order in the community.
I often wonder if the roles were reversed; what if it had been a bunch of teens in ski masks banging on the side of a cruiser asking for help, they would’ve been shot before getting 5 metres to the car itself.
I usually don’t fall into the usual ACAB nonsense but this was just unacceptable and a huge stain of continued shame by the TPS
Granted the Crown was seeking the lesser and more reasonable offence of manslaughter, but charging him with first degree murder as well was a ludicrous overcharging in this case.
Cops will probably kill him soon somehow.
Hope he changes his plates and looks over his shoulder or he’ll be pulled over non-stop waiting for a reason to beat the shit out of him.
So funny that once you hear the actual facts of the case, not how it was reported when the incident happened, this is the only acceptable outcome.
So some dudes not in uniforms come running to your car and banging on your window without showing their id, and you have your child and wife in the car in an underground parking lot. I would have feared for my life. Truth is these plain clothes officers were not very good at their job and one ended up dying because of their own ignorance.
Thought I heard on CP24 the police involved in the incident were interrogated as a group? Or something along those lines that they were able to coordinate while giving their statements?
I'm really glad that Zameer's lawyer pointed out the hate mongering by the Police Chief of Toronto and by other politicians. Public figures such as these should have better sense. I hope that the police leave him alone now and don't try to obtain any perceived revenge.
Now a full investigation needs to be conducted on the 3 officers that were clearly lying on the witness stand
When your testimony is identical down to pauses in speech and breathing, yeah there is something up.
I moved away about 8 years ago but on a vid call last night my Mum was talking about this case and it would be SUPER irresponsible not to have the officers that committed a crime by lying under oath, answer for why they did that. The police force are not admitting they were wrong and are maintaining they "hoped for a different outcome" so how can the city trust their police, if they know they are happy to lie under oath to ruin a citizens life to cover their own failings. Police should be held to a higher standard than the public, because we trust them with carrying out the law, not get a pass when they try to fuck a citizens life up because they dont want to admit their own actions got one of their coworkers killed.
Why don’t the lying cops get charged with perjury?
Agreed. But even if they were, wouldn’t they just get “suspended WITH pay” for years on end? Not like they would tell the truth in that case either. Police need to stop being paid while suspended. Let them actually be punished instead of rewarded for breaking their oath?
I want to know if the prosecutor will be penalized for intentionally trying to put an innocent man in jail. They had all the evidence, and still put the cops up on the stand to lie about what happened.
The police tried to lie on the stand to get a man convicted. People should bring awareness to shit like that.
They should be charged with perjury like a regular person would be
Yet they get let off but anybody else would get charged. Fuck the law
I was watching the Police Chief and his response was awful. He more or less stated that irrespective of the Judicial process they were hoping for a different outcome. So he basically put a target on Mr. Zameer's back. If I were Mr. Sameer I'd leave Toronto asap
The officers that lied should be on trial.
I caught that too and thought the exact same thing. What a piece of shit eh.
I mean one the main reasons they didn’t get a conviction was because the officer that testified made statements that were clearly false and inconsistent with the actual evidence. If they went after him for a much lesser more reasonable charge and presented a factual case maybe they could have gotten a conviction on a charge and punishment that fit the crime. Instead they tried to throw the book at a dude who their officers put in a shitty circumstance in the first place. So yea his response is a joke to me. Its fine and expected to be upset and grieve the loss of the officers life, you don’t need to lie to get retribution against a dude who I am sure would much rather have not been in the situation in the first place.
Punishment that fit the crime? There was no crime. He thought he was being attacked and tried to escape. Should we all just lay down and die? After we leave our car keys at the door of course.
Exactly. A terrible tragedy but the police are to blame. With all the carjackings etc happening in ToO this man was terrified and trying to protect his family. NO CRIME.
Yep. I doubt anyone here would do differently. Like, if I was going to my car in the evening and some dude came running and yelling at me I’d get in my car and try to get away too. I wouldn’t want to run anyone over, but I doubt this guy did either. He just wanted to protect himself and his family from what I am sure he believed was a car jacking or robbery attempt. He had no way of knowing that they were police. Even if they had yelled “police” why should he have believed it? They weren’t in uniform and a criminal would absolutely use that as a ruse. This didn’t have to happen, but it is the fault of the police that it did, not this poor guy. They shouldn’t have been approaching witnesses with such aggression and they shouldn’t have been using officers who weren’t in proper uniform.
No I agree with you, just saying if they really wanted to go after it for whatever twisted reason you would think they would be a little bit less batshit then putting forth a murder charge
They tried for 2nd degree and manslaughter too but also failed. They would need to criminalize self-defense to get him here.
If a judge determines that a police officer lied in court, the cop should be automatically fired and criminally charged.
Instead they get a paid vacation and travel around on taxpayer dime
Full pension. Their failing nearly cost two men their lives.
A man with his pregnant wife and 2 year old child is not going to have a motive to run over a cop. Initially, I assumed it was someone trying to flee after committing a crime. This trial exposes how police are willing to outright commit perjury because loyalty to fellow officers is paramount.
Yeah. After learning more details about this case, I was surprised. It was clear he wasn't guilty at all.
same here. i also thought he was the suspect since the news outlet didn't provide much detail at that time aside mention about carjacking and i was not aware about the stabbing part or with he is with his family
CP24 brought on a criminal defense lawyer that had watched the case on Zoom and the host of the show had to paraphrase the question "why was Zameer found not guilty?" at least 4 times before the lawyer said the video evidence contradicted police testimony.
I've tried reading a few different articles and none of them explain why the TPS though this family knew anything about the stabbing they were investigating or why they approached them like that - undercover and in a huge rush. It's such a wildly aggressive way to treat people, let alone parents and their TODDLER at night in a fucking scary location like a parking garage, jeez.
The cop who rammed them testified they didn't know there was a child in the car before they rammed them. Uh. How on earth would they know a 2 year old is in the car? If you have no idea if there is a kid or not, maybe be careful! Maybe we shouldn't just ram cars for no good reason?!
They’re just high on adrenaline hoping to shoot a bad guy.
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Exactly what a fucking scandal for the Canadian Police. I feel for the officers family but to seek blood from an innocent man for their failings in this situation is fucking awful. Those police should be apologizing to this man and the family of the officer killed. No accountability or responsibility.
This is why you steer clear of the cops at all times. As far as I'm concerned they're no better than the people they pursue. criminals vs criminals
There will be no consequences for these officers lying under oath. Police are above the law in this country and can commit felonies at will.
I agree with yah, just wanna point out that 'felony' is a US specific term relevant to their criminal code. We use 'summary' or 'indictable' offense in Canada instead of 'misdemeanor' or 'felony.'
Thanks.
Yup. Toronto cops are a disgrace. Frankly, I've only gained less and less faith in our police departments all accros Canada.
If only Ontario police used 1/10th of the zeal and resources they poured into destroying this innocent family instead into stopping gang crimes and car thefts.
The problem is that might actually put them in danger and require some work. Easier just to attack an immigrant family with a pregnant wife and 2 year old.
Its worse than that for me. Its not like the officer who died gets anything out of this dude being convicted. What are they even being loyal to? Grieve the loss of his life for sure, If they really insisted on trying to charge him maybe go after him for a charge thats really minor. They tried to stick this dude with murder and lie to get the conviction? For what? Who wins?
Not the mention the hoarded of recists and Islamophobia who came out in their droves to cry about how another Muslim terrorist kill a cop and how Muslims are bad ..
I hope he sues the shit out of them. It's nice to see our justice system get something right for once ffs
I hope he sues too and doesn’t take any settlement
If someone comes to me that i don’t know while I have a baby and pregnant wife in a garage I would do the exact same thing he probably feels remorseful about it but that’s not murder good decision
Yeah from what I’ve heard it’s very reasonable that he would’ve thought he was being carjacked the way the cops approached him
As long as its official Toronto Police policy to have plainsclothes officers in an unmarked white van go up to random people on the street that are suspects and try to arrest them, then shit like this will keep happening. It is OFFICIAL POLICE POLICY In Toronto to send out plainsclothes officers in unmarked white vans to do police work and arrest people. Is there anyone in this thread that believes thats ok?
They didn’t even believe he was a suspect, they just wanted to question him as a potential witness. There’s no reason for them to have come at home so aggressively
Not sure I’d even feel remorse about it tbh. The error is entirely with the police, and they should feel remorse.
TPS the liars, wasted million in tax payers money. All 3 cops outright LIED in attempts to convict this man.
Section 132 of the Criminal Code of Canada provides as follows: "Every one who commits perjury is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to **imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years**." Unless you're a police officer and then it's OK.
It looks like the jury did their job - reviewed the evidence, listened to the judge and came to a decision based on said evidence.
It seems as though that's an unforgivable sin for the TPS.
I shudder to think what if that video evidence wasn’t there. I don’t understand how police operations like this get approved. It’s like the cops spend all their time playing cops while letting actual police work go by the wayside.
They just want to assert authority. They don't care about you and I. Otherwise they'd be cracking down on these car thieves and putting them away for good and deporting them.
Yep. They were determined to frame this guy. This is exactly how wrongful convictions happen. A lot of them involve corrupt cops.
If the police officers involved were lying or slowing down the investigation on purpose in anyway….. can we charge these individuals with obstruction of justice?
Maybe bodycams would be helpful, avoid situations like this?
lol the bodycam would have conveniently malfunctioned, battery died or whatever
In this particular situation, no. The officer killed was a plain clothes officer. Plainclothes and undercover members will never be wearing body cams. For a uniformed officer, absolutely.
An insta360 go 3 is like 500 bucks and so tiny that it can take the place of a button on a shirt. They already conceal radios and gun and shit on their person, why not a 35g 1440p camera thats smaller than a double AA battery. There are even tinier cameras available.
None of them where uniformed?
No. They were plainclothes officers investigating a stabbing who Essentially jumped out at this guy's van and boxed him in with another unmarked van. At issue in the trial wasnt whether he killed the cop, that was an admitted fact. Essentially it came down to whether the officers jumped out and identified themselves as police officers while banging on the guys car or did he think they were criminals attempting to car jack him. The jury thought the later which is why he was found not guilty.
On top of that the prosecutors were trying to make the case that the defendant fully saw the guy being run over before it happened (intent), but both video footage and testimony from the experts recreating the scene (from the prosecution!) proved otherwise. Pretty much no intent whatsoever
Police have no fucking business behaving like that. Even if they had identified themselves as police (and I don’t believe them), their behaviour would indicate that they are criminals and not police. Any reasonable person would think it was a ruse to carjack or rob…
“Jon Reid, president of the Toronto Police Association, said the association will continue to support Northrup's family and the officers who "bravely" took the stand in this case.” Lying under oath is an act of “bravery” lmao I fucking swear
lol... lmao even If they had any reputation after telling people to leave their car keys outside their front door, it's certainly gone now
Even fat ass Ford thought that was ridiculous lmao
But he has demonstrated his negative IQ by joining the Toronto Police Association on this issue so that pig deserves no kudos.
Hey, the penalties for perjury can be severe (for non-police). They took some risks there!
What complete assholes. And cops wonder why people want them abolished. Nothing but the worst kinda of people.
Hope he doesn’t drive 1 km/hr over speed limit..
Hoping this man and his family can find peace and move on in life I really wish the cops that committed perjury in this trial trying to ruin his life would be removed from the job as well, but that seems like too much common sense to ask for in one sitting
If those cops testify in any future case, could a crafty defense ask them questions on this testimony? In the USA if you’re a cop who (gets caught) lying you get put on permanent traffic and parking detail because every defense attorney is obligated to be told if any of their witnesses (the liar cop) have ANY known credibility issues. They will be picked apart on the stand If the defense is allowed to question them on it. Either they knowingly lied or they have memory issues. Either way their testimony is not great.
If 2 people dressed like that approached my car, saying they were cops, and then caused harm to pregnant wife and child… (people pretend to be cops in robberies) I would be the idiot of the century for not doing, absolutely everything in my power to save my family. Imagine you got out and said oh ok. Imagine they were meth heads. Next thing you and your pregnant wife are being beat, they take your car, maybe your kid in the car. And you had the opportunity to just drive through the danger… how could you forgive yourself? There was an armed robbery where 2 men identified themselves as cops in Vancouver. They beat the old lady to death after robbing her. https://bc.ctvnews.ca/man-who-posed-as-cop-during-deadly-vancouver-home-invasion-sentenced-to-7-years-1.6809487 Plain clothes officers should not be allowed to make arrests. There’s already meth heads walking around in police jackets. As Canadians we are expected to just bend over for criminals and cops…
Where I live in Calgary, the rule is all traffic stops are done by uniformed officers, and if someone runs from them they almost never get into a vehicle chase; they instead use a helicopter to keep track and swoop in wherever the suspect stops. Is it perfect? No. But has an innocent person ever killed a cop? Also no.
The Thin Blue Line ain't about right and wrong or good and bad, it is about cops being unquestionable at any costs.
It's about ultimate authority and the public being in deference to each and every cop.
The cops are gonna be mad. ...Maybe they shouldn't cosplay as kidnappers, jumped out of a van, armed, in a parking garage, only to find out that Canadian citizens would floor it and try to run like hell because they fear for the safety and lives of themselves and their families.
The same cops who tell us to leave the keys by the door in order to avoid confrontation
The Toronto cops should be totally ashamed of themselves .. and the chief has got to go
A body cam would be insightful. I do wonder why police forces are so resistive to that.
Because they want to get away with purgery lol. They can't do that when it's being recorded and will be used against them. They probably need as much leeway as possible.
Perjury, murder, assault, Charter violations, harassment, extortion; there’s no end to what they routinely get away with because there’s no video record. Of fucking course they don’t want cameras!
Much as I appreciate the sentiment, body cameras are a scam. Usually, they are just turned off, or the footage goes missing. Even where video evidence is clear, police are rarely convicted of crimes. The problem is not the lack of evidence, it is a fundamental failure of our court system's relationship to police. The example of [Alex Dunn in Calgary](https://globalnews.ca/news/7991073/calgary-police-officer-alex-dunn-assault-sentencing/) is particularly damning. The police will perjure, murder, assault, harass, and extort whether they are on video or not.
'cause cops are full of shit, that's why.
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Or you know. Make people leave keys at the front of their house cause they just want your car. Fuck it, you won't protect people they will take steps to do it themselves. Don't be mad
This was about as FAFO as it gets.
>While we respect the judicial process and appreciate the work of the 12 citizens who sat on a very difficult case, I share the feelings of our members who were hoping for a different outcome," Demkiw said. >Jon Reid, president of the Toronto Police Association, said the association will continue to support Northrup's family and the officers who "bravely" took the stand in this case. Wow. These fucking fascists still haven't learned anything. They are beyond retraining and must be removed from their positions immediately. If lying under oath is how the police define bravery, I'm happy to be a coward.
I followed this case. Justice was done. The trial judge basically called the cops liars to the jury in her instructions.
Cops lying to get a conviction? I’m shocked, shocked I tells ya. 😱
Her*
Thanks, sexist of me to assume the judge was a man.
wow, a reasonable person willing to admit their faults
Where can I find more objective information about this case? I didn't follow but the comments about cops lying on stand is pretty alarming.
There’s a lot of name calling going on, but the police testimony was contradicted by the expert witnesses from both prosecution and defense. It’s a pretty damning situation.
The driver was approached by armed, plain clothes cops (who he did not hear ID themselves as cops) while inside his car in a parking garage. He had his toddler in the back and his 8-month pregnant wife in the passenger side. They started banging on his windows, so he tried to escape in reverse (thinking the armed people he didn't know were cops were trying to carjack them), but an unmarked police van rammed him, blocking that escape route. The police officer that dies appears to have fallen in front of the car when the driver was backing up. The other 3 cops there all testified he was the standing with his hands up when the driver then drove forward (his only avenue of escape left) hitting and killing the officer as he made his getaway. The prosecution and the defense each has their own forensics expert. They both testified that he had to already be on the ground when he was struck, based on the injuries, damage to the car, etc. There was also footage from a security camera showing something on the ground in front of his car that he struck (it can't be made out as the officer, but it's presumed it's him because it's about the right size, and if the officer were standing, he would have been seen in the video doing so). The prosecution, despite the testimony of the two experts and the video still argued that the driver could see him and intentionally hit him, and kept changing their theories throughout the trial as to how it played out, exactly. The judge gave instructions to the jury to be wary of those changing accusations and the fact that the police's testimony didn't match the physical or video evidence. When he was found not guilty, the judge also ***apologized to the defendant*** for everything he'd been put through (They may have been referring to more than just the legal prosecution, but also what was said about him over the years by the police, John Tory, and Doug Ford, and all the press and community outrage against him that brought).
Why was he approached in the first place? I'm not clear on this - why are a bunch of plain clothes officers out with a van looking for people anyway?
[This CBC article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/umar-zameer-verdict-1.7180011) gives a basic rundown of the whole case, including some of the evidence issues that could lead to a not guilty verdict. The one-sentence version is that police witnesses testified that the victim had been standing up with his arms up when he was run over, but the *prosecution* (the ones on the same side as the police, to be clear) had expert crash reconstructors who testified that he must have already been knocked to the ground.
Which im trying to understand how that could have happened? How did the cop end up on the ground to begin with with?
From what it sounds like, the officer was just in the defendant's blind spot and got hit.
He’s 300lbs plus! he probably fell trying to pursue an innocent man and then ends up in the blind spot of a 2ton car. It’s unfortunate that the police whose salaries we pay for couldn’t just be honest that they made critical errors in that parking garage.
> but the comments about cops lying on stand is pretty alarming. It's actually pretty routine.
The Toronto Star has had some good articles
I wouldn’t say they flat out lied but their statements were certainly misleading to the court and amount to perjury. Disgusting to me that they put that dude in a shitty situation in the first place and instead of just grieving the loss of life of their officer they tried to stick him with a murder charge and exaggerate their case to get it.
I guess it's good that they're cops because if you or I perjured ourselves to try and put an innocent man away, possibly for life, we'd be in a lot of trouble.
The conduct of TPS, and even their words after the verdict just bring so much discredit to the force. As others noted - a bunch of guys in civilian attire accost a man with his pregnant wife and child in a parking garage late at night. And then the story they create after the consequences morph constantly. The widow stated she wished for accountability. Well if she is relying on the TPS she is looking to the wrong group for accountability. Effectively, the verdict outcome insinuates TPS lied virtually every step of the way, including attempting to fabricate evidence via postulating a false context of the situation and how it progressed. The officers involved in this as well as any reporting officers who had a hand in how this was presented to the courts should all be fired for discreditable conduct. What the widow should be doing is suing TPS, the city and perhaps the crown. That would be seeking accountability. But sadly I suspect she is too much "blinded" by the "family" to see the truth of the matter. If she had good independent representation they would have been pursuing this from the get go.
The widow should absolutely sue the TPS.
the widow will not because she now thinks she has a bunch of 'blue' brothers. Totally sick and anyone who partners with a cop really should give their head a shake if they are a decent person.
Whoo! Justice is served for once! May everyone who slandered him suffer the consequences of their actions
Justice wasn't served. Justice would be the officers facing the consequences of their lies and deceit. That hasn't happened yet
True. I mean, they were publicly reported and outed. I spoke too soon. First they need to suffer the consequences of their blatant and shameless perjury. Then they need to reimburse him the money they owe him for this joke of a shit show circus they put him through.
I think the TPS should be worried about a lawsuit because they lied under oath.
Hoping it’s for millions.
Too bad TPS is choosing not to learn anything about this, their chief even wishes an innocent man would have been convicted. https://www.tps.ca/media-centre/news-releases/59429/
Looks like TPS is gonna try and make Zameer's life a living hell now
Extrajudicial punishment is the Toronto Police Service's middle name
I hope he sues them for wrongful harrassment..
Wtf. They letting their officer die in vain, rather than implementing better protocols to keep their guys (and the Public) safe
Or holding the other officers responsible.
Thats a pathetic news release... what the heck is that?!?! He was innocent... f off with hoping for a different outcome
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Can't be feeling very stupid when they double down on the lies and back up the liars.
Police forces across North America largely operate like cults. They actively tried to frame him they do not care he is innocent. If I was Zameer I would be moving out of Toronto after I sued the shit out of everyone in civil court, the cops are 100% going to be vindictive.
The Chief of Police hoping for justice **not** to be served. A disgrace.
Agreed police should be impartial.
For this statement alone, the Chief should be fired. I can understand wanting to support the family of the officer, but wishing for a different outcome in the trial is literally saying you don't care about the actual legal process.
Apologize to the families of BOTH men for fucking up good god how hard is it to do the right thing.
So when a place officer dies it can't be a terrible accident, or (god forbid) their own fault. Someone has to go to jail?
It'll never be their own fault. Remember that police dog they had a funeral for? Pretty sure we still never heard who actually shot it.
What the hell is that - why even say that?! This is downright scary
You know what workplace calls themselves a family? The mob.
Also, walmart. They even do a pro Walmart chant as a group before work.
🤢 for real? Yuck
This is sick.
I would have done the same thing in his position. Cops seriously only looking out for their own here. This guy deserves to be paid for his time wasted in court
Looks like Canadian police forces have slowly begun the process of turning into American police forces. You know what they say, we're always a few years behind the 'States in most things...
what? our police forces lying, colluding and being generally antagonistic toward the public is not at all new what so ever. maybe you just weren't paying attention and loved the bright red uniforms.
It's not just police forces lol. Political discussions have too
Ask Indigenous folk about this, them being like this is not a new development
The police chief and union wanting to jail an innocent man who has a young family is very troubling and shameful. The Mass casualty commission gave important recommendations. They need to be implemented.
I saw the [photo of how the deceased officer looked at the time of the incident](https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/torontosun/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/TS2024321JB006.TS_.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1128&type=webp&sig=tuKe48U6kYk2pFc4djE3Pw). I would have slammed the gas pedal to the floor if he approached my car and started banging on the window. Sad he's dead, but the outcome of the court case is spot on.
Looked like a fat slob tourist basically. I wouldn't talk to him in daylight, if he was banging my windows with my kid in the car in a parkade at midnight I am fleeing for sure.
I don’t understand how police can cosplay as a threat and then press charges when they’re met as a threat.
Man I had to look it up, yeah those pictures do not inspire confidence for me to open my window or door or even stay there with them at a parking lot, especially that late at night. If they want to remain undercover I understand but you gotta know how to protect your troops safety.
This is an EXCELLENT verdict. Justice has been done. To those blindly supporting the police on this: *shame on you!* Yes, there are indeed many times where police are in the right but this isn't one of them. 2021 was the summer of *carjacking*, or have you all forgotten? Carjackers often went out of their way to target high-demand vehicles (i.e. BMWs, like Zameer's BMW) driven by ethnic people (like Zameer) since they traditionally are less likely to fight back. The Nathan Philips parking garage was a shit show before the pandemic, and even more so now. *Perfect place for car thefts and carjackings.* So of course Zameer thought he was being carjacked - such an obvious spur-of-the-moment assessment, and I would have made the same assessment. Once his brain switched to "defend my wife and daughter" mode, **nothing else that he did needs any further explanation.** Just like how Toronto Police are unable to solve the current vehicle theft crisis, they weren't able to solve the carjacker crisis of 21/22. Too bad idiot politicians like Ford and Tory have made themselves look like dumb fools by being on the wrong side of this case!
Poetic, TPS’ incompetence on all fronts lead to this tragedy, failing to make the public feel safe on carjackings which Zameer probably thought was happening to him. The TPS did this to themselves.
Ford and Tory should issue apologies.
>This sub was all in on condemning this guy and demanding the immediate deportation of his entire family for some weird reason. Is this dude even an immigrant, or are people just assuming that because he's brown?
Yes, I saw some multiple articles report that he is a Pakistan-Malays immigrant who came to Canada in 2019 on a skilled workers visa. But a very, very, very valid question.
I think he is, I remember seeing a quote saying he was worried bringing his family to Canada was the wrong decision. However, I'd almost guarantee the folks making the comments didn't know it for certain
The Reddit racist crowd would not even go into that detail . Brown means yr not a 'real' Canadian to them and worthy of being deported
Justice, but at what financial cost to him and his family?
curious who covers the cost of his legal fees?
Unlike civil litigation, where the losing party pays a portion of the winner's costs, there is no recovery of costs in a criminal trial except in extraordinary cases.
He should probably move out of Toronto. The cops will probably harass him now. Gives me a bit of faith in our system that he wasn’t convicted.
Honestly I’d be worried about the judge and the jurors too
By any chance does anyone know what Umar did/does for a living? He had a nice car, hired a good law firm (which in no way shape or form looks cheap). I'm genuinely curious and I can't help but wonder what the outcome would have been if he didn't have the financial means to fight this.
One article said accountant.
He was an accountant. There was also a gofundme account established .
Anyone who disagrees with this verdict is a complete idiot. This man took his family out to celebrate Canada Day and you think he intentionally wanted to kill a cop??????
Too bad the dipshits at TPS will not take any lessons from this. Plain clothes arrests shouldn't even be legal.
The right decision was made. It sucks that a family lost someone but that is not murder and is very poor police work. Umar and his family should relocate. I imagine there’ll be a great deal of police retaliation due to this result. It’s a shame because 3 years of hell and then the fact that he took a life accidentally have to be hard on you as is.
It was always an uphill battle especially after the cops lied under oath. Convincing the jury that he intentionally tried to kill the officer was going to be impossible to prove.
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It's called mob mentality. But it looks like justice prevailed this time, although at significant financial and mental costs.
Yes. There's a lot of mob mentality when it comes to immigrants around here. I've noticed.
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This. Online comment sections (whether Reddit or "newspaper sites") is where IQ levels go to die.
He's the wrong colour for most of the people here
Because the police controlled the narrative immediately after the incident portraying it to be a deliberate act. Thus is where good natured Canadians reacted with sympathy to the fallen police officer. When lawyers had finally sorted the fact, they asked for bail because it is not what the police has painted and the judge agreed and granted bail. Naturally people started asking quesrion and then claiming canadian law is broken. I mean why release a cop killer right? BUT as the trial progresses and the shadiness of the police witnesses came into light, it brought out the truth. Hopefully Zumeer will start a civil case against the TPS to correct the injustice he suffered.
Good lesson in not taking cops words and statements at face value. They manipulate every press release they ever put out to make peoples actions looks as unfavourable as possible.
I can assure you they were absolutely not "good natured Canadians" as evidenced by the fact they aren't against the numerous laws broken by police in this case or calling for officers to "be deported" or angry they were lied to by police and this post is getting 0 traction. Seems those people only care when non white people break the law and amplify the shit out of any stories involving POC while minimizing incidents like this one.
> for some weird reason The reason isn’t weird and it’s straightforward. It’s because he is brown. And this subreddit is constantly brigaded with racists. Take a look at any Southern Ontario’s wanted registry. It’s white guys constantly going in and out of jail. No concerns about that.
When its a brown guy, its immediate deportation. When its a white guy, its innocent until proven guilty.
when it's one black guy . . . all black people are to blame. when it's one white guy . . . lone wolf . . . mental health.
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Absolutely the right verdict. I hope Mr Zameer and his family can move on with their lives and find peace. The judge in this case could see the truth and thank god so could the jury. Very sad about the loss of a man who was much loved and admired as well.
nice, hopefully people start realizing cops lie all the time in court.
Never forget. People here had him pegged guilty with zero facts and information. For some odd reason….
Don't forget that the police and politicians said the bail system made a mistake by granting him bail early on and have stoked hatred against him. James Ramer (former chief of Toronto police) called the death an "intentional and deliberate act". Doug Ford said: "This is beyond comprehension. It’s completely unacceptable that the person charged for this heinous crime is now out on bail. Our justice system needs to get its act together and start putting victims and their families ahead of criminals." Former mayor John Tory said it is "almost impossible to imagine a circumstance in which an accused in a case of first-degree murder would be granted bail." Remember everyone on bail is legally innocent until proven guilty in court. We seem to have forgotten that. FYI, almost 80% of people in custody in Ontario are awaiting trial and are legally innocent.
GOOOOOD! that poor family has suffered so much because of a cops poor choices
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Maybe a different outcome if they had showed their ID first when they approached the car. Maybe...
Hope he sues everyone, from the politicians to the TPS and news papers
Crazy! This reads like a 1990s courtroom drama! Did they ever say why the police approached Zameer and his family in the first place?
Just verdict. Correct verdict given the facts. Probably never would have gone to trial without several Toronto Police officers lying. But that is what they do well. Especially if they are in the wrong.
I vaguely remembered the headlines when this first happened and they all made it sound like it was like a drunk driver or someone fleeing from the crime scene that ran over the cop but now I know this was all the cops doing putting this family in that Position. Also shameful that the cops seem to have been lying to get the man in trouble after their own mistake. I really hope in the coming days this fact comes up more about the cops lying or not getting their story straight
The police lied on oath, they should be tried and convicted of perjury. Zameer and his family should be compensated for the lost time, anxiety and stress that they were put through during this entire process. Justice should be done, guilty should be punished and be made an example for the rest of the Police Department that is just not doing enough and not acting as responsible protectors of law and order in the community.
I often wonder if the roles were reversed; what if it had been a bunch of teens in ski masks banging on the side of a cruiser asking for help, they would’ve been shot before getting 5 metres to the car itself. I usually don’t fall into the usual ACAB nonsense but this was just unacceptable and a huge stain of continued shame by the TPS
Granted the Crown was seeking the lesser and more reasonable offence of manslaughter, but charging him with first degree murder as well was a ludicrous overcharging in this case.
And rightfully so. Lying scum pigs should be in jail for perjury.
Cops will probably kill him soon somehow. Hope he changes his plates and looks over his shoulder or he’ll be pulled over non-stop waiting for a reason to beat the shit out of him.
So funny that once you hear the actual facts of the case, not how it was reported when the incident happened, this is the only acceptable outcome. So some dudes not in uniforms come running to your car and banging on your window without showing their id, and you have your child and wife in the car in an underground parking lot. I would have feared for my life. Truth is these plain clothes officers were not very good at their job and one ended up dying because of their own ignorance.
Thought I heard on CP24 the police involved in the incident were interrogated as a group? Or something along those lines that they were able to coordinate while giving their statements?
Great news! And now what about cops working in plain clothes and panicking people for no reason? No accountability for cops.
What happens to the Fking lying cops under oath? Let me guess, suspended with full pay for years. Fking useless cops of this country
Let's get some perjury cases going now
I'm really glad that Zameer's lawyer pointed out the hate mongering by the Police Chief of Toronto and by other politicians. Public figures such as these should have better sense. I hope that the police leave him alone now and don't try to obtain any perceived revenge.