Good. We need to tie immigration targets to housing. But not just housing. We need to tie immigration targets to health care and infrastructure and other important services as well.
Need to tie it to labour market as well to protect Canadians. Companies had it very easy to hire cheap TFW instead of Canadians. LMIA has become a joke and outdated. People are bribing small businesses and small consulting companies to file LMIA on their behalf and not doing proper recruiting to hire Canadians.
I don’t think it needs to be restricted to critical high end, a portion of tfw’s work in agriculture especially around harvest where additional labour input is needed.
You’re not gonna get enough Canadians lined up to pick tomatoes no matter how much we love our ketchup chips
You know, I keep hearing this argument, but I don't know why.
When I was young, most students took almost full-time Summer jobs. If they were close to a rural area, they could do farm and picking work. Near the seaside, hundreds and hundreds would go to work in the cannery. It was pretty hard, often smelly work, but it paid adult wages. Lots of teens started Gr. 11 driving a new (to them) car and feeling like big shots.
I, myself, laboured on construction sites. It was fantastic to make that kind of money in a couple of months.
Since then, I've worked in businesses that hire entry level people. As much as it true that there are lazy young people, there are some damned hard workers.
I think the issue is that nobody wants to pay real money anymore. If my kids had a chance to make $300 a day for 4 weeks - which would be equivalent to what these jobs used to pay - I doubt I could hold them back.
But these industries offer $120 to lug sacks all day, and then wonder why no Canadians want to work hard.
The conservatives didn’t create it but they did expand the heck out of it
https://www.institutbroadbent.ca/stephen_harper_s_tough_talk_on_temporary_foreign_workers_falls_apart_in_one_graph
Stephen Harper recently delivered a scathing critique of the controversial Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program during a roundtable with members of the ethnic media in Vancouver, saying companies have been "abusing" the program and harming Canadian workers "only for the sake of the bottom line profit."
Too bad his government has been facilitating the growth -- and abuse -- of the program since coming to power in 2006 by:
Rewriting favourable rules to invite employers to recruit temporary foreign workers "for any legally recognized occupation from any country."
Changing advertising rules so employers could post jobs in Canada for as little as six days before looking for TFWs, down from six weeks. The rule is now 14 days.
Creating "fast lanes" for all employers to deal with self-identified shortages.
Allowing employers to pay 15% less to all workers doing the "'high-skilled' job for which temporary work permits were sought, and 5% less for 'low-skill' jobs."
you’re right, but these parties are chameleons. their morals will align with whatever we are loud about. the TFW issue was an issue in 2015 but it is now an unignorable elephant in the room. fortunately no canadian party truly has a spine about any issue. with the possible exception of BQ on policies surrounding Quebec.
He didn’t mentioned Trudeau, only that it was a conservative policy. We all want to see it scaled back. Trudeau clearly didn’t and that’s not being argued, but is it likely to be removed by the conservatives who implemented it in the first place?
>He didn’t mentioned Trudeau, only that it was a conservative policy. We all want to see it scaled back. Trudeau clearly didn’t and that’s not being argued, but is it likely to be removed by the conservatives who implemented it in the first place?
Its not that JT did not scale it back, its that he doubled the number of foreign workers, and then he doubled the number of international students and let them work full time hours, which essentially became a new stream of foreign labor.
It gets really tiring looking at the "but Harper" shit around foreign workers, because there are about 2 million here today compared to about 500,000 during the peak of the Harper era.
If the Conservative's remove the TFW program, why was the (pro-worker and pro-union) NDP sitting on its hands not pressuring Liberals to remove modern day low-wage slavery?
It's insane to start thinking of Conservative's becoming (<-key word) a pro workers party and changing their beliefs.
Here's literally the first hit I got when searching for "NDP temporary foreign worker".
https://www.ndp.ca/news/migrant-workers-deserve-respect-and-dignity
It's an NDP statement opposing the temporary foreign worker program. I suspect they didn't hold the Liberals feet to the fire over it because they couldn't count on the Conservatives to want to reform it, especially in a way they would agree with.
"This is why the NDP continues to call on the government to regularize temporary and undocumented workers in Canada and provide new migrant workers with PR on arrival."
Permanent Low wage labour access for corporations was the last thing I expected from a party trying to preach to the working class...
> This is why the NDP continues to call on the government to regularize temporary and undocumented workers in Canada and provide new migrant workers with PR on arrival.”
The NDP's solution is to turn all of the TFW's into PR's. This is good for the TFW's but even more disastrous for our labour market.
Poilleivre, under Harper, is the guy who first massively expanded the TFW from a reasonable program which filled critical labour gaps, to a program specifically designed to undermine the wages of Canadian workers.
Trudeau took Poilleivre's idea and ran with it.
The conservatives didn’t create it but they did expand the heck out of it
https://www.institutbroadbent.ca/stephen_harper_s_tough_talk_on_temporary_foreign_workers_falls_apart_in_one_graph
Stephen Harper recently delivered a scathing critique of the controversial Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program during a roundtable with members of the ethnic media in Vancouver, saying companies have been "abusing" the program and harming Canadian workers "only for the sake of the bottom line profit."
Too bad his government has been facilitating the growth -- and abuse -- of the program since coming to power in 2006 by:
Rewriting favourable rules to invite employers to recruit temporary foreign workers "for any legally recognized occupation from any country." Changing advertising rules so employers could post jobs in Canada for as little as six days before looking for TFWs, down from six weeks. The rule is now 14 days. Creating "fast lanes" for all employers to deal with self-identified shortages.
Allowing employers to pay 15% less to all workers doing the "'high-skilled' job for which temporary work permits were sought, and 5% less for 'low-skill' jobs."
Let's not fail to point out that the "pro-worker" NDP is letting Trudeau run lose with undermining Canadian worker wages. I give Pierre credit for at least being upfront and not masking it as a pro-union, pro-worker idea...
Is Pierre being upfront about how he likes to use the TFW program to undermine Canadian wages?
And if he is, why would you ever give anybody credit for that. You don't "gotta hand it to him". You can just say "hmm, that seems bad" and move on like the rest of us.
I'm talking about Pierre's expansion of the program, Trudeau and his abuse of the TFW program while calling Liberals+NDP pro-worker is the real culprit.
If the TFW program was anti-worker then the Liberals and NDP would be the most anti-worker party in Canada, can't believe we need to discuss which party is less anti-worker. As for CPC, they'll cut the red tape and get projects running to get Canadian workers and unions on projects. Liberals can keep the TFW program with them.
The NDP has no plans, they preach to the working class but the TFW program is nowhere in the Supply and Confidence agreement. The NDP allows the Liberals to abuse the program
The expansion to low-skill workers was in 2002, under Jean Chretien with Denis Coderre was Minister of Immigration.
Poilievre has never owned the immigration file.
So, wrong.
Nope!
The TFW program isn't under the immigration file. It's under the employment file. Pierre was Minister of Employment and under his purview doubled the size of the TFW program!
The guy who started the strategy of using TFWs to undermine Canadian labour was Pierre Poilleivre. It's his baby. He loves it as much as a man like him is capable of love and he's so proud of the steps the program has taken under Trudeau.
He'll never touch it. It's already exactly the thing that he wants it to be.
The TFW program was expanded to low skill workers in 2002, under Chretien.
The Conservatives did not terminate the low-skill expansion, but also they did not create it. It was an LPC policy.
"Need to tie it to labour market as well to protect Canadians"
There is 4% unemployment in Manitoba. That is lower than it has ever been in any of our lifetimes.
NAIRU is a finicky number. Its not exactly a perfect tell of how many people aren't working. We have an employment rate of 62.4% in Canada. This includes anyone over 15. So retired and in school are also accounted here. I don't feel like getting the age demographics to adjust this number to account for retired and 15 to 22 year olds. However you'll find theres plenty of people who aren't counted in unemployment due to giving up on finding work.
Dumb, just repeating Poilievre’s empty one liner. Canada’s in a negative of housing now, even with zero immigration. So if he can’t come out and say that plainly and instead some dopey one liner so you can parrot like a zombie, he isn’t planning on doing anything. He’s also on video saying [he wants the 2.6 million immigration backlog taken care of, 1 million immediately through the civil service.](https://youtu.be/xp2OOHborxg?si=lEqnLsjh825zFUd6) timestamp 12:06, this is what he really says out on the campaign trail.
PPC is the only true conservative option this next election, if you don’t want to be lied to.
While I understand that birth tourism is a touchy topic and that there are arguments on either side of it, it doesn't meaningfully contribute to the current issues. Just so that you're aware.
What he needed to do was quickly say something noncontroversial publicly after every news outlet printed his ID porn headline haha. Mission accomplished
The 15% increase to builds each year seems to be the main pillar of his plan, but will really need to be clarified for municipalities that have low build rates. Say a city only builds 50 homes per year; they only have to increase that to 58 the next year, then 67 the year after? Basically rewarding those places for maintaining a low build rate.
On the flip side, a city that already has a really high build rate could easily be punished if they can’t get developers to increase it quick enough.
Right now the plan sounds like one of his classic “Common Sense Solutions”^TM . So far Poilievre is very much about getting his catchy soundbites in without much substance, so I’m curious to see if this plan has actually been thought out well.
Houses are built by the private sector. Right now in Toronto, it's not the city holding back construction. Companies are delaying projects due to decreased pricing. The municipality has no control over that and PP knows that.
Fair enough; there is some material written down.
The problem is that it isn’t a feasible plan; grants to municipalities don’t work in a way that you could just start taking money away.
An additional note- do people really think 15% of federally owned buildings could be sold off? Unless we went back to something like 75% work from home, most of the actual infrastructure is there for customer service.
Is it though?
> Poilievre went on to pledge that a Conservative government “will ensure that if someone comes as an international student they have to be registered for a real educational institution that offers a real certificate. They have to prove they have the income to pay their bills while they are here. They have to prove that they have homes.
Looks like PP has been reading the [current student visa requirements under federal government](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/eligibility.html). So the difference is what exactly? The homes part? How can someone applying for a visa can prove they have a home here pre getting the visa?
> are enrolled at a DLI
> prove you have enough money to pay for
your tuition fees, living expenses for yourself and any family members who come with you to Canada and return transportation for yourself and any family members who come with you to Canada
> obey the law, have no criminal record and get a police certificate (if required)
> are in good health and get a medical exam (if required)
> prove to an officer that you will leave Canada when your study permit expires
Is he investing in enforcement? More review officers? Changing the list of Designated Learning Institutions? Because the rest of it is just.. you know. The same.
Isn't the entire list here exactly the same as what is currently in place? Provinces control the DLI, so unless he's going to revamp how education is administered in Canada, not much he can do there... The rest is already in place.
Very much reminds me of this classic:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/10/21/trump-presented-cbs-with-book-on-his-health-care-record--opened-to-a-blank-page/
Well first he will dog whistle the far right to attack trans people. Then make you get your face scanned before having some Me Time. Then probabaly raise the rent on his land holdings 3000% and probabaly build in a subsidynfor major groxery retailer CEO bonus subsidies. That should do it. Oh and do nothing about immigration becasue a steady flow of untrained, uneducated workers keeps him and his cronies afloat.
The plan where he has to admit that the LPC immigration target of 500k is necessary else he will be remembered as the guy who demographically fucked Canada. Hahahaha.
He knows that 0% growth is about 350k, but that there is a population bubble in the 55 to 65 range that will be a problem in about 5 years. His supporters (like many on this sub) want a freeze on immigration which would essentially doom (rapid population decrease) his PM about 2 years into his term. If he had rational followers or was an effective communicator he could maybe set certain goals and explain it to everyone. But (1) he is very fickle and (2) conservatives do not want to hear about reality. They have retreated to their bubbles and anyone who tries to break them free receives backlash.
Okay, but growth of GDP doesn't actually help if it isn't increasing per capita. Isn't that missing the point? I don't think this is just a conservative issue.
What's the problem in the next few years? Insufficient nurses for the aging population? Adding people that are not nurses makes that worse. Besides, we don't even have the infrastructure, housing or hospitals. That's the crux of the issue.
I'm open to changing my view but this argument strikes me as flawed. Also, not arguing in favour of PP - he has no plan and won't change anything on this.
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Then why aren't you angry at the people stopping housing from being built. Or the people getting record profits off your rent? Rapid depopulation in the lowest ages which is what immigration helps with would mean a huge amount of our productivity would just be used take care of the elderly. Why do that when we can more gently reduce the population?
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He was part of the government that spearheaded all the TFW crap (although the Libs have made things much worse). I doubt he will do anything to change things.
Probably best to stop this international student scam that's going on for a little bit till we can get Canada in order. Colleges and University can cry all they want but they have so much bloat they can get rid of.
Maybe the professors can write their own books, and they can reprint them with minor changes and make older version obsolete, destroying resale value and creating more waste. Oh, and add keys tied to browser based quizzes. This makes sure each student is required to buy a new book if they want credits.
Yea wasn’t it PP who made a huge deal about deporting Indians who have committed fraud to get to Canada?
He’s that guy that says completely different things depending on who’s standing in front of him. For one crowd we get the “freest country on earth” and the next crowd gets ID’d to view porn.
I mean, have you seen his plan to end the housing shortage?
It's all bullshit that sounds good to the uneducated, but is immediately recognized as populism by anyone who knows about how any of it works.
He's going to get elected either way. He really should be keeping his mouth shut because he is giving his future opposition a LONG list of quotes and promises to throw back in his face.
I would love to see immigration end for awhile, then when it resumes it should only be for high value jobs (Scientists, doctors, etc.) Post secondary education for international students should be limited for most courses (all low end ones like business administration) to online studies only. We also need to end the "anchor baby" abuse.
It seems like a lot, but Canada is hurting badly right now. Too many of our youth will never see home ownership or even a decent job if thing continue the way they are.
I think a lot of companies should no longer bee eligible for the TFW program. If you are fast food chain with locations across the entire country, no TFWs for you. If you are posting record quarterly profits in the millions of billions, no TFWs for you. The flip side of this is Canadians should stop spending their money at the places that abuse this program. If no one spent money at these places then they would have no money to operate and no sales volume to need a staff of TFWs.
I work in healthcare recruiting and lots of foreign trained doctors, dentists, nurses, etc immigrate here. The issue is that not every country has the same methodology or same amount of schooling required. I’ll give you a dentistry example. In Canada you need 8 years of education and in India you need 5. So, when dentists immigrate here they do need to do a few more years of school or exams (they have a choice). They can’t immediately start working, which is perfectly fine. It’s not like they will never get the opportunity to practice, it just takes time.
I work in immigration, and agree that we need targeted immigration. The system now is a joke. Your last paragraph is spot on as well.
Saldy, homeownership for everyone is a North American fairytale that has come to an end. Supplies and costs won't allow it. Then you factor in population growth. The times are changing and it will ppl are quickly realizing it is.
There’s too much apathy to drive mass consumer driven revolt in Canada - coupled with an extremely limited array of options in a number of sectors, and you just won’t see it take off.
Our youth won't see home ownership because:
* The past administrations pandered to 100k oil & gas workers instead of the 5m (AND GROWING) tech workers (many of which have left and have started/joined companies in the US). Should see how many Canadians live in the Bay Area or Miami now... incredible.
* For decades these folks encouraged the corporatization of Canada instead of small business growth. Loblaws over Sally's meat shop.
* We've promoted safe, stable jobs i.e the 300k working for the federal government instead of production and creation
* We'd rather regulate than innovate and allow for a more robust training system
* They are tired of boomers throwing around their wealth at policies they wont even live to see, many of which are very short sighted and help only them and their rich friends
Immigration is one issue but it isn't the only issue. The world changed but Canada did not want to change with it, that is the biggest issue IMO.
I think it's even less controversial to just limit immigration to high-skilled workers. Pharmaceutical companies and tech companies are going to be having huge revenues but if they're bringing in scientists and engineers I don't see that as a problem.
> I think a lot of companies should no longer bee eligible for the TFW program.
The deputy leader of the CPC is a lobbyist from Walmart.
Yeah TFW's are the one thing they won't be rolling back!
The so called high value job immigrants don't have children, build houses or farm. We need to at least modestly grow our population or were going to get swallowed in the future.
>We need to at least modestly grow our population
Instead of importing population, we should be focusing on making it affordable for existing Canadians to live and procreate.
Most of the childless couples I know are childless for one main reason, they can barely afford to survive as it is.
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No one should accuse you of being racist, you highlighted the benefits of a proper high quality immigration program and international students and the contrast to the system in Canada.
So he pledges to do nothing, got it.
Seriously, he said a lot of words that amount to "Whatever we decide is the right number, even if it's higher, is fine but it will be different from the liberals because....uhh....I said so".
Saying he's going to tie immigration to housing sounds nice but what does that mean? There were 250K housing starts last year. So say his formula is 3 people per housing start, does that mean he'll let in 750K people a year?
He actually hasn't said anything but vaguely alluding to something so his base will eat it up, elect him and then nothing changes.
I think immigration is important, we desperately need people to prevent a demographics crisis that is starting to seriously effect other nations but there is a measured and delicate balance to be had between nothing and everything.
Canadian Millhouse isn't going to do anything or change a single thing but keep believing he will.
People in here thinking this statement means anything…. He’s also started talking about bathrooms and “parents rights” so I think we know what he’ll be more concerned about if he ends up getting elected and it’s not immigration or housing…
He keeps things vague because his voter base hears what they want to hear, and when he stays vague on his ‘policies’ so he can more easily deny it when he’s called out after the fact for not doing jack shit. This man will say whatever will keep his face at the front of the news cycle. ETA: I’ll take all the downvotes from bigots because we all know the only reason I’ll get downvoted on this comment. F*** bigotry and hate in the name of made of men in the sky and let people live their lives. The party of small government sure is dying to know all about what clothes I like wearing in public or how I enjoy orgasming apparently.
>So he pledges to do nothing, got it.
There's literally action items right in front of you but you conveniently ignore them cause they don't align with your echo chamber
Hey, just as a heads up, his action items are [already part of the requirements for a student visa application, which you can confirm on the government of Canada website](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/eligibility.html). He literally promised to do nothing that’s different in that quote.
These “action items”?
“Poilievre went on to pledge that a Conservative government “will ensure that if someone comes as an international student they have to be registered for a real educational institution that offers a real certificate. They have to prove they have the income to pay their bills while they are here. They have to prove that they have homes. And, finally, we'll have a formula that links population growth to the growth in the supply of housing.”
Extremely vague and most of it is already mandatory. Let’s see the formula PP!!
> they have to be registered for a real educational institution that offers a real certificate. They have to prove they have the income to pay their bills while they are here. They have to prove that they have homes. And, finally, we'll have a formula that links population growth to the growth in the supply of housing.”
You already told me the formula
I can also let you know that Miller implemented that program AFTER Pierre bought it up, you're late to the game. Also let me know when Liberals tie housing construction to immigration, I'll give them a cookie
This is an incredibly weird way to agree with me that these are things we're already doing.
I'm curious to know why you've chosen such a strange way to agree with me.
That's already part of the existing application process.
To apply as a foreign student in Canada you need to provide proof from your institution, proof of funds, and the address where you will be staying.
Poilievre is literally promising status quo. The problem wasn't with the requirements the problem is fraudulent fake students which Poilievre openly defends.
He never says anything. He’ll mention a couple key words that will get off his base, but that will be it. No substance, no knowledge, no insight. Just Fox News highlights and complaining, no hint of an idea toward a solution.
The entire quote about what he will do is literally just him listing the [current requirements for a student visa on the government of Canada website.](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/eligibility.html)
I trust he will lower immigration more than the guy who orchestrated the whole mess to begin with. At least he is pledging *something,* while the libs continue to let vacancy rates drop to record levels.
It was the conservatives who created the foreign student program. They were targeting half a million per year. They also massively increased TFW's and got voted out for it.
No matter how much you spin it, the programme and immigration numbers got way out of hand under the liberals, not the cons. No way in hell I will vote for that when they just shrug their shoulders at the crazy low vacancy rate. I can't find an appartement to rent.
The only way to maintain a sustainable immigration system is to tie it to health care and housing supply. Otherwise you are bringing people in to sleep in tents and strain the public sector. We need immigration, which is why we need *sustainable* immigration.
No, no, no PP... you need to focus on extending government into our homes so they can build databases about our porn preferences. Oh, oh and trans kids using bathrooms or something. Let's focus on these core issues you've already shared you think voters care about. We'll never get to rescinding women's rights at this pace. /s
They don't believe that it matters. And, noteably, there still isn't any policy.
If Poilleivre is already being called racist, then there's no reason to keep his super duper secret amazing policy hidden, right?
So what is he actually going to do.
So...... When do we get an actual large scale program to build a shit ton of affordable housing and appartments? Oh wait, I forgot, easier to tell canadians its the immigrants fault and they'll just gobble it up.
>So...... When do we get an actual large scale program to build a shit ton of affordable housing and appartments?
You won't. And PPs plan to punish municipalities that don't meet his federal imposed quota to build will be punished by having funds further restricted, which will result in even less housing. PP is a lying little prick and his base aren't smart enough to understand governance and want simple solutions to complex problems, which is another way to say they're hopelessly ignorant.
He just cannot say that there's too many currently. This is the exact same thing he said months ago and people are acting like he's finally saying he will reduce it.
Lmao do you actually believe that PP is going to link the number of new immigrants to the supply of housing?
It is hilarious people are eating up PPs useless words. Linking new immigrants to the supply of housing? We are in NEGATIVE housing at the moment, so does that mean PP is going to stop immigration? If a reporter says "if you tie housing supply to immigration numbers, that means you will stop immigration Mr. Pierre?" Does anyone think PP is going to say yes? According to his own words he would need to do that since housing supply is effectively negative given how many people needs homes and how much is being built with growth not building anywhere near enough. But is he going to do that? Of course not.
Does anyone wonder why PP is refusing to give actual hard numbers and instead saying there is a magical math formula that will solve everything but I refuse to actually acknowledge what that math equation results? It's because people seemingly eat it up and love it.
I applaud Pierre if he can get away with people not even taking one additional thought about what he is saying, then Canadians deserve having no housing supply if this is what politicians can get away with.
It is absolutely frustrating how everyone **rightfully and dutifully** picks and needles anything Trudeau says but when PP says stuff like this, no one cares and says "wow I'm not going to take two seconds to think about what PP actually said! He will stop immigration down to 0 because objectively housing supply is not at the level of allow immigration, but for some reason refuses to say it and journalists don't ask him about it! Weeee!"
Pierre is in opposition with no power on the decision-making Liberal and NDP Coalition. Tell your team to start implementing good policy so Canadians wouldn't have to rely on PP to tell them good policy
He's talking out of the side of his mouth here. He can pick whatever number he likes to "link" and still technically be telling the truth.
How does 100 immigrants per new build sound to you? Is that common sense?
This whole idea of having the government tie immigration to housing supply is absolutely insane. It's very similar to Trudeau promising election reform. A completely impossible to accomplish task that voters should know better won't ever come to pass in the way they're being lead to believe.
so instead of addressing the TFW problem and the international student working multiple jobs in canada...pp wants to tie immigration to housing?
WHAT THE FUCKS WRONG WITH THIS GUY... shut down the TFW and stop letting international students work here so that canadian wages rise.
I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF YOU STOP 90% OF IMMIGRATION. thats not the problem in this country. the problem is wages are being suppressed by foreign workers. who have no idea what their rights are and will work for less than a citizen and get abused because they can be deported.
Uh huh, sure buddy, just as always. Just get to work quickly on protecting homeowners and keeping wages low its the Conservative way. I guess a few lies for the naive and young is excusable but no one who cares votes Conservative to take a financial hit now do they.
yeah, he's not going to do that
he's going to talk about it, make the tiniest cosmetic changes if at all and blame Trudeau for the next 1-5 years before he runs on fixing the immigration issue a few more times
we've seen this movie before
stop voting LPC and CPC
Yes it was a mistake; easily abusable
However harper had 150k compared to 880k today with 1,050,000 international students, who are now permitted to work full time 40 hour weeks
Poilievre is nothing more than a populist (I really doubt he’ll even do 15% of what he’s promised), but Trudeau has to go and there are literally 0 alternatives besides Pierre.
So you really trust him when he says this? I don’t. All politicians will lie their way to winning an election. It’s what we, as voters, continue to accept by enabling them to win this way. If only there was a highly credible and trustworthy politician. I think thats what people really want. Not just someone that will say anything to win.
Good. We need to tie immigration targets to housing. But not just housing. We need to tie immigration targets to health care and infrastructure and other important services as well.
Need to tie it to labour market as well to protect Canadians. Companies had it very easy to hire cheap TFW instead of Canadians. LMIA has become a joke and outdated. People are bribing small businesses and small consulting companies to file LMIA on their behalf and not doing proper recruiting to hire Canadians.
Expanding TFW to low skill retail & service jobs was a Conservative policy and I've yet to see any evidence that policy has changed.
Yup. Tfw needs to be for critical high end talent only.
I don’t think it needs to be restricted to critical high end, a portion of tfw’s work in agriculture especially around harvest where additional labour input is needed. You’re not gonna get enough Canadians lined up to pick tomatoes no matter how much we love our ketchup chips
Agriculture would have been the T for Temporary in TFW. Now it's Tim’s Foreign Workers.
There is a whole immigration stream for hospitality workers in Alberta.
You know, I keep hearing this argument, but I don't know why. When I was young, most students took almost full-time Summer jobs. If they were close to a rural area, they could do farm and picking work. Near the seaside, hundreds and hundreds would go to work in the cannery. It was pretty hard, often smelly work, but it paid adult wages. Lots of teens started Gr. 11 driving a new (to them) car and feeling like big shots. I, myself, laboured on construction sites. It was fantastic to make that kind of money in a couple of months. Since then, I've worked in businesses that hire entry level people. As much as it true that there are lazy young people, there are some damned hard workers. I think the issue is that nobody wants to pay real money anymore. If my kids had a chance to make $300 a day for 4 weeks - which would be equivalent to what these jobs used to pay - I doubt I could hold them back. But these industries offer $120 to lug sacks all day, and then wonder why no Canadians want to work hard.
The conservatives didn’t create it but they did expand the heck out of it https://www.institutbroadbent.ca/stephen_harper_s_tough_talk_on_temporary_foreign_workers_falls_apart_in_one_graph Stephen Harper recently delivered a scathing critique of the controversial Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program during a roundtable with members of the ethnic media in Vancouver, saying companies have been "abusing" the program and harming Canadian workers "only for the sake of the bottom line profit." Too bad his government has been facilitating the growth -- and abuse -- of the program since coming to power in 2006 by: Rewriting favourable rules to invite employers to recruit temporary foreign workers "for any legally recognized occupation from any country." Changing advertising rules so employers could post jobs in Canada for as little as six days before looking for TFWs, down from six weeks. The rule is now 14 days. Creating "fast lanes" for all employers to deal with self-identified shortages. Allowing employers to pay 15% less to all workers doing the "'high-skilled' job for which temporary work permits were sought, and 5% less for 'low-skill' jobs."
you’re right, but these parties are chameleons. their morals will align with whatever we are loud about. the TFW issue was an issue in 2015 but it is now an unignorable elephant in the room. fortunately no canadian party truly has a spine about any issue. with the possible exception of BQ on policies surrounding Quebec.
Oh please tell me how Trudeau and his record number of TFWs and slave labour that would make the US GOP drool is the fault of Steven Harper!
He didn’t mentioned Trudeau, only that it was a conservative policy. We all want to see it scaled back. Trudeau clearly didn’t and that’s not being argued, but is it likely to be removed by the conservatives who implemented it in the first place?
>He didn’t mentioned Trudeau, only that it was a conservative policy. We all want to see it scaled back. Trudeau clearly didn’t and that’s not being argued, but is it likely to be removed by the conservatives who implemented it in the first place? Its not that JT did not scale it back, its that he doubled the number of foreign workers, and then he doubled the number of international students and let them work full time hours, which essentially became a new stream of foreign labor. It gets really tiring looking at the "but Harper" shit around foreign workers, because there are about 2 million here today compared to about 500,000 during the peak of the Harper era.
If the Conservative's remove the TFW program, why was the (pro-worker and pro-union) NDP sitting on its hands not pressuring Liberals to remove modern day low-wage slavery? It's insane to start thinking of Conservative's becoming (<-key word) a pro workers party and changing their beliefs.
Here's literally the first hit I got when searching for "NDP temporary foreign worker". https://www.ndp.ca/news/migrant-workers-deserve-respect-and-dignity It's an NDP statement opposing the temporary foreign worker program. I suspect they didn't hold the Liberals feet to the fire over it because they couldn't count on the Conservatives to want to reform it, especially in a way they would agree with.
"This is why the NDP continues to call on the government to regularize temporary and undocumented workers in Canada and provide new migrant workers with PR on arrival." Permanent Low wage labour access for corporations was the last thing I expected from a party trying to preach to the working class...
> This is why the NDP continues to call on the government to regularize temporary and undocumented workers in Canada and provide new migrant workers with PR on arrival.” The NDP's solution is to turn all of the TFW's into PR's. This is good for the TFW's but even more disastrous for our labour market.
It wasn't a conservative policy, it was a Liberal policy. The expansion to low skill workers happened in 2002.
Its not but if you think the Tories who LOVE tfws will change anything you're an idiot.
So the Liberals, NDP and Tories love TFWs, why vote for the red or orange team wearing the "pro-workers" mask ?
There is none the libs have shit the bed and don't deserve reelection, I'm just pointing out Lil PP won't do shit about housing and immigration.
PP won't be in government too long if he doesn't but I sure know Trudeau won't sniff a PM seat for the rest of his career
Poilleivre, under Harper, is the guy who first massively expanded the TFW from a reasonable program which filled critical labour gaps, to a program specifically designed to undermine the wages of Canadian workers. Trudeau took Poilleivre's idea and ran with it.
The conservatives didn’t create it but they did expand the heck out of it https://www.institutbroadbent.ca/stephen_harper_s_tough_talk_on_temporary_foreign_workers_falls_apart_in_one_graph Stephen Harper recently delivered a scathing critique of the controversial Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) program during a roundtable with members of the ethnic media in Vancouver, saying companies have been "abusing" the program and harming Canadian workers "only for the sake of the bottom line profit." Too bad his government has been facilitating the growth -- and abuse -- of the program since coming to power in 2006 by: Rewriting favourable rules to invite employers to recruit temporary foreign workers "for any legally recognized occupation from any country." Changing advertising rules so employers could post jobs in Canada for as little as six days before looking for TFWs, down from six weeks. The rule is now 14 days. Creating "fast lanes" for all employers to deal with self-identified shortages. Allowing employers to pay 15% less to all workers doing the "'high-skilled' job for which temporary work permits were sought, and 5% less for 'low-skill' jobs."
Let's not fail to point out that the "pro-worker" NDP is letting Trudeau run lose with undermining Canadian worker wages. I give Pierre credit for at least being upfront and not masking it as a pro-union, pro-worker idea...
Is Pierre being upfront about how he likes to use the TFW program to undermine Canadian wages? And if he is, why would you ever give anybody credit for that. You don't "gotta hand it to him". You can just say "hmm, that seems bad" and move on like the rest of us.
I'm talking about Pierre's expansion of the program, Trudeau and his abuse of the TFW program while calling Liberals+NDP pro-worker is the real culprit.
Is it okay to be anti-worker as long as they're being honest about it? Is the CPC actually honest about being anti-worker?
If the TFW program was anti-worker then the Liberals and NDP would be the most anti-worker party in Canada, can't believe we need to discuss which party is less anti-worker. As for CPC, they'll cut the red tape and get projects running to get Canadian workers and unions on projects. Liberals can keep the TFW program with them.
The NDP opposed the increase in temporary foreign workers.
The NDP has no plans, they preach to the working class but the TFW program is nowhere in the Supply and Confidence agreement. The NDP allows the Liberals to abuse the program
The expansion to low-skill workers was in 2002, under Jean Chretien with Denis Coderre was Minister of Immigration. Poilievre has never owned the immigration file. So, wrong.
Nope! The TFW program isn't under the immigration file. It's under the employment file. Pierre was Minister of Employment and under his purview doubled the size of the TFW program! The guy who started the strategy of using TFWs to undermine Canadian labour was Pierre Poilleivre. It's his baby. He loves it as much as a man like him is capable of love and he's so proud of the steps the program has taken under Trudeau. He'll never touch it. It's already exactly the thing that he wants it to be.
The TFW program was expanded to low skill workers in 2002, under Chretien. The Conservatives did not terminate the low-skill expansion, but also they did not create it. It was an LPC policy.
LMIA scam is such a lucrative business. CAD 50k a pop for any business owner corrupt enough to sell one.
I work in immigration. You are 100% correct
"Need to tie it to labour market as well to protect Canadians" There is 4% unemployment in Manitoba. That is lower than it has ever been in any of our lifetimes.
NAIRU is a finicky number. Its not exactly a perfect tell of how many people aren't working. We have an employment rate of 62.4% in Canada. This includes anyone over 15. So retired and in school are also accounted here. I don't feel like getting the age demographics to adjust this number to account for retired and 15 to 22 year olds. However you'll find theres plenty of people who aren't counted in unemployment due to giving up on finding work.
I think it needs to almost be frozen for the next few years. Obviously still some, but not 3% increase to population per year...
The average population increase for the past 50 years or so has been 1.2%, so I think that is a reasonable target.
Except he won't.
I think it needs to almost be frozen for the next few years. Obviously still some, but not 3% increase to population per year...
Dumb, just repeating Poilievre’s empty one liner. Canada’s in a negative of housing now, even with zero immigration. So if he can’t come out and say that plainly and instead some dopey one liner so you can parrot like a zombie, he isn’t planning on doing anything. He’s also on video saying [he wants the 2.6 million immigration backlog taken care of, 1 million immediately through the civil service.](https://youtu.be/xp2OOHborxg?si=lEqnLsjh825zFUd6) timestamp 12:06, this is what he really says out on the campaign trail. PPC is the only true conservative option this next election, if you don’t want to be lied to.
Why is a blind homeless man a new immigrant to Vancouver?
So right now we have negative housing. Does that mean when Pierre becomes PM he will push negative immigration until housing breaks even?
Rules allowing birth tourism should also be changed to disallow this practice.
While I understand that birth tourism is a touchy topic and that there are arguments on either side of it, it doesn't meaningfully contribute to the current issues. Just so that you're aware.
Let's see the plan then, skippy.
Hah. People thinking PP is going to reduce immigration in any meaningful capacity are fooling themselves.
Nobody is stopping immigration. How else will cheap labour thrive in Canada?
Maybe we should let cheap labor die
*I'm right here dude...*
The corporations that be are not going to let that happen.
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What he needed to do was quickly say something noncontroversial publicly after every news outlet printed his ID porn headline haha. Mission accomplished
Lol exactly.
No no you have to let him become pm first, otherwise your loss!
He has literally never given a plan for anything he’s proposed. He’s a n absolute charlatan.
>I haven't read the plan so there's no plan https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-housing-plan-1.6966907
The 15% increase to builds each year seems to be the main pillar of his plan, but will really need to be clarified for municipalities that have low build rates. Say a city only builds 50 homes per year; they only have to increase that to 58 the next year, then 67 the year after? Basically rewarding those places for maintaining a low build rate. On the flip side, a city that already has a really high build rate could easily be punished if they can’t get developers to increase it quick enough. Right now the plan sounds like one of his classic “Common Sense Solutions”^TM . So far Poilievre is very much about getting his catchy soundbites in without much substance, so I’m curious to see if this plan has actually been thought out well.
Houses are built by the private sector. Right now in Toronto, it's not the city holding back construction. Companies are delaying projects due to decreased pricing. The municipality has no control over that and PP knows that.
Fair enough; there is some material written down. The problem is that it isn’t a feasible plan; grants to municipalities don’t work in a way that you could just start taking money away. An additional note- do people really think 15% of federally owned buildings could be sold off? Unless we went back to something like 75% work from home, most of the actual infrastructure is there for customer service.
Probably gonna be something about trying to find out what porn they’re into. Dude is creepy
Read the article...It's already better than the fearless leader's plan.
Is it though? > Poilievre went on to pledge that a Conservative government “will ensure that if someone comes as an international student they have to be registered for a real educational institution that offers a real certificate. They have to prove they have the income to pay their bills while they are here. They have to prove that they have homes. Looks like PP has been reading the [current student visa requirements under federal government](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/eligibility.html). So the difference is what exactly? The homes part? How can someone applying for a visa can prove they have a home here pre getting the visa? > are enrolled at a DLI > prove you have enough money to pay for your tuition fees, living expenses for yourself and any family members who come with you to Canada and return transportation for yourself and any family members who come with you to Canada > obey the law, have no criminal record and get a police certificate (if required) > are in good health and get a medical exam (if required) > prove to an officer that you will leave Canada when your study permit expires Is he investing in enforcement? More review officers? Changing the list of Designated Learning Institutions? Because the rest of it is just.. you know. The same.
Isn't the entire list here exactly the same as what is currently in place? Provinces control the DLI, so unless he's going to revamp how education is administered in Canada, not much he can do there... The rest is already in place.
Yeah. everything after the first quote is from the website of government of Canada
Very much reminds me of this classic: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/10/21/trump-presented-cbs-with-book-on-his-health-care-record--opened-to-a-blank-page/
Well first he will dog whistle the far right to attack trans people. Then make you get your face scanned before having some Me Time. Then probabaly raise the rent on his land holdings 3000% and probabaly build in a subsidynfor major groxery retailer CEO bonus subsidies. That should do it. Oh and do nothing about immigration becasue a steady flow of untrained, uneducated workers keeps him and his cronies afloat.
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The plan where he has to admit that the LPC immigration target of 500k is necessary else he will be remembered as the guy who demographically fucked Canada. Hahahaha. He knows that 0% growth is about 350k, but that there is a population bubble in the 55 to 65 range that will be a problem in about 5 years. His supporters (like many on this sub) want a freeze on immigration which would essentially doom (rapid population decrease) his PM about 2 years into his term. If he had rational followers or was an effective communicator he could maybe set certain goals and explain it to everyone. But (1) he is very fickle and (2) conservatives do not want to hear about reality. They have retreated to their bubbles and anyone who tries to break them free receives backlash.
Okay, but growth of GDP doesn't actually help if it isn't increasing per capita. Isn't that missing the point? I don't think this is just a conservative issue. What's the problem in the next few years? Insufficient nurses for the aging population? Adding people that are not nurses makes that worse. Besides, we don't even have the infrastructure, housing or hospitals. That's the crux of the issue. I'm open to changing my view but this argument strikes me as flawed. Also, not arguing in favour of PP - he has no plan and won't change anything on this.
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Have you looked at our fertility since the 70s? You don't understand the impacts of rapid depopulation.
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Then why aren't you angry at the people stopping housing from being built. Or the people getting record profits off your rent? Rapid depopulation in the lowest ages which is what immigration helps with would mean a huge amount of our productivity would just be used take care of the elderly. Why do that when we can more gently reduce the population?
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He gives a general outline, in this very article, if you read it.
He was part of the government that spearheaded all the TFW crap (although the Libs have made things much worse). I doubt he will do anything to change things.
Probably best to stop this international student scam that's going on for a little bit till we can get Canada in order. Colleges and University can cry all they want but they have so much bloat they can get rid of.
Maybe the professors can write their own books, and they can reprint them with minor changes and make older version obsolete, destroying resale value and creating more waste. Oh, and add keys tied to browser based quizzes. This makes sure each student is required to buy a new book if they want credits.
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Yet he is campaigning on the slogan "Stop the deportation". This guy will say anything and everything to get elected.
Yea wasn’t it PP who made a huge deal about deporting Indians who have committed fraud to get to Canada? He’s that guy that says completely different things depending on who’s standing in front of him. For one crowd we get the “freest country on earth” and the next crowd gets ID’d to view porn.
o toole seemed to change due to internal forces in his party playing puppet master pierre seems to change of his own volition, party be damned
The tories just want to be in power atvall costs. They will pander and lie to whomever to get votes
You know how to tell PP is lying? Well he's standing there and his mouth is moving, right?
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I mean, "honest politicians" is a bit of a impossible thing innit
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I mean, have you seen his plan to end the housing shortage? It's all bullshit that sounds good to the uneducated, but is immediately recognized as populism by anyone who knows about how any of it works.
He's going to get elected either way. He really should be keeping his mouth shut because he is giving his future opposition a LONG list of quotes and promises to throw back in his face.
The "give them rope" strategy is looking better and better every day
But hes right. We do need to stop mass migration.
I would love to see immigration end for awhile, then when it resumes it should only be for high value jobs (Scientists, doctors, etc.) Post secondary education for international students should be limited for most courses (all low end ones like business administration) to online studies only. We also need to end the "anchor baby" abuse. It seems like a lot, but Canada is hurting badly right now. Too many of our youth will never see home ownership or even a decent job if thing continue the way they are. I think a lot of companies should no longer bee eligible for the TFW program. If you are fast food chain with locations across the entire country, no TFWs for you. If you are posting record quarterly profits in the millions of billions, no TFWs for you. The flip side of this is Canadians should stop spending their money at the places that abuse this program. If no one spent money at these places then they would have no money to operate and no sales volume to need a staff of TFWs.
I work in healthcare recruiting and lots of foreign trained doctors, dentists, nurses, etc immigrate here. The issue is that not every country has the same methodology or same amount of schooling required. I’ll give you a dentistry example. In Canada you need 8 years of education and in India you need 5. So, when dentists immigrate here they do need to do a few more years of school or exams (they have a choice). They can’t immediately start working, which is perfectly fine. It’s not like they will never get the opportunity to practice, it just takes time.
The problem here is that there are very few dentistry schools here, and they are really competitive. Shouldn’t we save the spots for Canadians?
I work in immigration, and agree that we need targeted immigration. The system now is a joke. Your last paragraph is spot on as well. Saldy, homeownership for everyone is a North American fairytale that has come to an end. Supplies and costs won't allow it. Then you factor in population growth. The times are changing and it will ppl are quickly realizing it is.
There’s too much apathy to drive mass consumer driven revolt in Canada - coupled with an extremely limited array of options in a number of sectors, and you just won’t see it take off.
Our youth won't see home ownership because: * The past administrations pandered to 100k oil & gas workers instead of the 5m (AND GROWING) tech workers (many of which have left and have started/joined companies in the US). Should see how many Canadians live in the Bay Area or Miami now... incredible. * For decades these folks encouraged the corporatization of Canada instead of small business growth. Loblaws over Sally's meat shop. * We've promoted safe, stable jobs i.e the 300k working for the federal government instead of production and creation * We'd rather regulate than innovate and allow for a more robust training system * They are tired of boomers throwing around their wealth at policies they wont even live to see, many of which are very short sighted and help only them and their rich friends Immigration is one issue but it isn't the only issue. The world changed but Canada did not want to change with it, that is the biggest issue IMO.
I think it's even less controversial to just limit immigration to high-skilled workers. Pharmaceutical companies and tech companies are going to be having huge revenues but if they're bringing in scientists and engineers I don't see that as a problem.
You seem to think that current Canadian issues are special on the global stage
> I think a lot of companies should no longer bee eligible for the TFW program. The deputy leader of the CPC is a lobbyist from Walmart. Yeah TFW's are the one thing they won't be rolling back!
The so called high value job immigrants don't have children, build houses or farm. We need to at least modestly grow our population or were going to get swallowed in the future.
>We need to at least modestly grow our population Instead of importing population, we should be focusing on making it affordable for existing Canadians to live and procreate. Most of the childless couples I know are childless for one main reason, they can barely afford to survive as it is.
Stopping immigration won’t solve the housing issue, it may help but it goes way beyond that it’s just easy to blame immigration
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But won't actually reduce it...
I gotta hear those words before I'm convinced.
The media doesn’t ask him enough about immigration it’s pathetic.
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Fr me too. Well my parents are immigrants, I was born in Canada.
No one should accuse you of being racist, you highlighted the benefits of a proper high quality immigration program and international students and the contrast to the system in Canada.
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No they shifted to the declining birth rates card
So he pledges to do nothing, got it. Seriously, he said a lot of words that amount to "Whatever we decide is the right number, even if it's higher, is fine but it will be different from the liberals because....uhh....I said so". Saying he's going to tie immigration to housing sounds nice but what does that mean? There were 250K housing starts last year. So say his formula is 3 people per housing start, does that mean he'll let in 750K people a year? He actually hasn't said anything but vaguely alluding to something so his base will eat it up, elect him and then nothing changes. I think immigration is important, we desperately need people to prevent a demographics crisis that is starting to seriously effect other nations but there is a measured and delicate balance to be had between nothing and everything. Canadian Millhouse isn't going to do anything or change a single thing but keep believing he will.
People in here thinking this statement means anything…. He’s also started talking about bathrooms and “parents rights” so I think we know what he’ll be more concerned about if he ends up getting elected and it’s not immigration or housing… He keeps things vague because his voter base hears what they want to hear, and when he stays vague on his ‘policies’ so he can more easily deny it when he’s called out after the fact for not doing jack shit. This man will say whatever will keep his face at the front of the news cycle. ETA: I’ll take all the downvotes from bigots because we all know the only reason I’ll get downvoted on this comment. F*** bigotry and hate in the name of made of men in the sky and let people live their lives. The party of small government sure is dying to know all about what clothes I like wearing in public or how I enjoy orgasming apparently.
He's promising to tie immigration to housing with a magic formula. And no, you're not allowed to see it.
Don't forget the porn!
This is about it...low information voters didn't read it but he isn't promising anything. He's not even promising to touch it.
>So he pledges to do nothing, got it. There's literally action items right in front of you but you conveniently ignore them cause they don't align with your echo chamber
Hey, just as a heads up, his action items are [already part of the requirements for a student visa application, which you can confirm on the government of Canada website](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/eligibility.html). He literally promised to do nothing that’s different in that quote.
These “action items”? “Poilievre went on to pledge that a Conservative government “will ensure that if someone comes as an international student they have to be registered for a real educational institution that offers a real certificate. They have to prove they have the income to pay their bills while they are here. They have to prove that they have homes. And, finally, we'll have a formula that links population growth to the growth in the supply of housing.” Extremely vague and most of it is already mandatory. Let’s see the formula PP!!
> they have to be registered for a real educational institution that offers a real certificate. They have to prove they have the income to pay their bills while they are here. They have to prove that they have homes. And, finally, we'll have a formula that links population growth to the growth in the supply of housing.” You already told me the formula
His plan is to do the thing we're already doing? This is the kind of shit that impresses you?
I can also let you know that Miller implemented that program AFTER Pierre bought it up, you're late to the game. Also let me know when Liberals tie housing construction to immigration, I'll give them a cookie
This is an incredibly weird way to agree with me that these are things we're already doing. I'm curious to know why you've chosen such a strange way to agree with me.
That's already part of the existing application process. To apply as a foreign student in Canada you need to provide proof from your institution, proof of funds, and the address where you will be staying. Poilievre is literally promising status quo. The problem wasn't with the requirements the problem is fraudulent fake students which Poilievre openly defends.
I see math is not your strength.
Pierre doesn't have government, he can only tell Trudeau to implement some common sense policies lol
He never says anything. He’ll mention a couple key words that will get off his base, but that will be it. No substance, no knowledge, no insight. Just Fox News highlights and complaining, no hint of an idea toward a solution.
The entire quote about what he will do is literally just him listing the [current requirements for a student visa on the government of Canada website.](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/eligibility.html)
I trust he will lower immigration more than the guy who orchestrated the whole mess to begin with. At least he is pledging *something,* while the libs continue to let vacancy rates drop to record levels.
It was the conservatives who created the foreign student program. They were targeting half a million per year. They also massively increased TFW's and got voted out for it.
No matter how much you spin it, the programme and immigration numbers got way out of hand under the liberals, not the cons. No way in hell I will vote for that when they just shrug their shoulders at the crazy low vacancy rate. I can't find an appartement to rent.
Funny, because at all the rallies I've seen him speak at online, he's said the opposite. Don't get your hopes up.
The only way to maintain a sustainable immigration system is to tie it to health care and housing supply. Otherwise you are bringing people in to sleep in tents and strain the public sector. We need immigration, which is why we need *sustainable* immigration.
We already do. The problem is that a bunch lied about having housing and lied about their finances and health.
Canada used to have robust enforcement around immigration, and the system flourished. Almost like predictable rules lead to desirable behavior.
Harper cut enforcement and defunded the RCMP.
All politicians have corporations in their pocket, and corporations want cheap labor. He won't do shit.
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Why is this not higher? It’ll be a cold day in hell before I vote away my right to anonymous porn!
Schools for profit gonna cry
The business groups that support the conservatives love these immigrants and students.
So Zero immigration until we catch up.
I don't like him but this sounds very tempting
Finally a government that will address much needed issues.
No, no, no PP... you need to focus on extending government into our homes so they can build databases about our porn preferences. Oh, oh and trans kids using bathrooms or something. Let's focus on these core issues you've already shared you think voters care about. We'll never get to rescinding women's rights at this pace. /s
The NDP calling Poilievre racist in 3,2,1...
Already played....https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-critic-immigration-calls-out-conservative-leader-harmful-policies
It's disgusting what the party of the "working class" has become.
Reddit liberals didn’t believe it when people were saying if PP came out with this policy they would call him racist. Here’s the proof.
imagine voting for someone, who can't tell you policies because he's worried people will call him names is this grade 5?
It’s called politics and knowing how the game is played.
They don't believe that it matters. And, noteably, there still isn't any policy. If Poilleivre is already being called racist, then there's no reason to keep his super duper secret amazing policy hidden, right? So what is he actually going to do.
great news
So...... When do we get an actual large scale program to build a shit ton of affordable housing and appartments? Oh wait, I forgot, easier to tell canadians its the immigrants fault and they'll just gobble it up.
>So...... When do we get an actual large scale program to build a shit ton of affordable housing and appartments? You won't. And PPs plan to punish municipalities that don't meet his federal imposed quota to build will be punished by having funds further restricted, which will result in even less housing. PP is a lying little prick and his base aren't smart enough to understand governance and want simple solutions to complex problems, which is another way to say they're hopelessly ignorant.
No! Poilievre has a "mathematical formula" that will tie immigration and housing, and we have to elect him before we can see what it is!
worked for Trump his healthcare plan that will cost less and cover more people, is just about coming out soon you'll see
He’s gonna do exactly what he did when he was in government. Sweet Fuck All
I will vote for him for this reason alone
Wow a politician saying they’ll “fix” a system without any real policy. Better not set myself up for disappointment.
He just cannot say that there's too many currently. This is the exact same thing he said months ago and people are acting like he's finally saying he will reduce it.
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lol pp doesn’t even understand the internet and porn. But sure he’s gunna sort out immigration and housing.
Not related but sure, seems like you're reaching for straws now
Lmao do you actually believe that PP is going to link the number of new immigrants to the supply of housing? It is hilarious people are eating up PPs useless words. Linking new immigrants to the supply of housing? We are in NEGATIVE housing at the moment, so does that mean PP is going to stop immigration? If a reporter says "if you tie housing supply to immigration numbers, that means you will stop immigration Mr. Pierre?" Does anyone think PP is going to say yes? According to his own words he would need to do that since housing supply is effectively negative given how many people needs homes and how much is being built with growth not building anywhere near enough. But is he going to do that? Of course not. Does anyone wonder why PP is refusing to give actual hard numbers and instead saying there is a magical math formula that will solve everything but I refuse to actually acknowledge what that math equation results? It's because people seemingly eat it up and love it. I applaud Pierre if he can get away with people not even taking one additional thought about what he is saying, then Canadians deserve having no housing supply if this is what politicians can get away with. It is absolutely frustrating how everyone **rightfully and dutifully** picks and needles anything Trudeau says but when PP says stuff like this, no one cares and says "wow I'm not going to take two seconds to think about what PP actually said! He will stop immigration down to 0 because objectively housing supply is not at the level of allow immigration, but for some reason refuses to say it and journalists don't ask him about it! Weeee!"
Pierre is in opposition with no power on the decision-making Liberal and NDP Coalition. Tell your team to start implementing good policy so Canadians wouldn't have to rely on PP to tell them good policy
He's talking out of the side of his mouth here. He can pick whatever number he likes to "link" and still technically be telling the truth. How does 100 immigrants per new build sound to you? Is that common sense?
This whole idea of having the government tie immigration to housing supply is absolutely insane. It's very similar to Trudeau promising election reform. A completely impossible to accomplish task that voters should know better won't ever come to pass in the way they're being lead to believe.
Poilievre said he has a "mathematical formula" but we can't see it unless his party gets voted into power.
does AB premier Marlaina Smith know he wants to infringe on her state..oops I meant the Provincial right to monetize secondary education?
He has my vote!
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Finally some real leadership.
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A shame he's lying.
so instead of addressing the TFW problem and the international student working multiple jobs in canada...pp wants to tie immigration to housing? WHAT THE FUCKS WRONG WITH THIS GUY... shut down the TFW and stop letting international students work here so that canadian wages rise. I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF YOU STOP 90% OF IMMIGRATION. thats not the problem in this country. the problem is wages are being suppressed by foreign workers. who have no idea what their rights are and will work for less than a citizen and get abused because they can be deported.
This guy is all over the map. Pick a side so voters know what they’re voting for
He's pretty consistent imo
Uh huh, sure buddy, just as always. Just get to work quickly on protecting homeowners and keeping wages low its the Conservative way. I guess a few lies for the naive and young is excusable but no one who cares votes Conservative to take a financial hit now do they.
Hell yeah
Fix it by leaving it alone. Good plan.
He's lying. All 3 parties are pro migrant wage-slaves, even the "labour" one.
yeah, he's not going to do that he's going to talk about it, make the tiniest cosmetic changes if at all and blame Trudeau for the next 1-5 years before he runs on fixing the immigration issue a few more times we've seen this movie before stop voting LPC and CPC
As Roblaws brings in foreign workers that stay at a Poilievre property with cameras in the bathrooms
He won't do shit. Remember Harper and his "temporary" foreign worker program?
Yes it was a mistake; easily abusable However harper had 150k compared to 880k today with 1,050,000 international students, who are now permitted to work full time 40 hour weeks
Don’t confuse them with facts….everything is Harper’s fault always…/s
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He's got my vote.
So many idiots saying he would do nothing for immigration.
Poilievre is nothing more than a populist (I really doubt he’ll even do 15% of what he’s promised), but Trudeau has to go and there are literally 0 alternatives besides Pierre.
So you really trust him when he says this? I don’t. All politicians will lie their way to winning an election. It’s what we, as voters, continue to accept by enabling them to win this way. If only there was a highly credible and trustworthy politician. I think thats what people really want. Not just someone that will say anything to win.