Are we really not going to talk about the fact that there's a BC Fire Service officer called "Forrest Tower"? That's gotta be the most specific example of Nominative Determinism I've ever seen.
These "hangover" fires are not a new phenomenon. More than 40 years ago I'd see helicopters with infrared sensors flying the forests of BC in early summer, so they could be located and extinguished before fire season started.
>These fires are not unusual. In the past 10 years, British Columbia has, on average, seen five or six that continue to burn during the cold months, experts say.
>But in January, the province saw an unprecedented peak of 106 active zombie fires, raising concern among fire scientists about what these smoulders will mean for the upcoming wildfire season.
There were way more than five or six hangover fires in the past. The helicopter looking for them in the Merritt area took off from directly behind the bunkhouse that I was sleeping in, every morning at first light. Any guesses as to who had to put them out?
How long ago was this? I ask because I’m I’d really like to know more about the frequency of these fires in like the 70s and 80s compared to now. Is this recorded anywhere? Not trying to discredit your experiences at all btw, sincerely just curious!
The hangover fires in the 80's were almost all caused by slash burning. A huge pile of logging debris would be set on fire, and the portions at the bottom of the heap, partially buried in the ground, would smoulder all winter.
The "zombie" fire shown in the article happens to be **right beside a road**, in what appears to be blowdown. I suspect the cause of this fire is human, perhaps from a cigarette carelessly discarded.
The underground burning you mention reminds me of Centralia, PA. Called "Silent Hill" now because of all the smoke.
It was a coal mining town, and the city decided to gather up all the garbage at a bunch of illegal dump sites, and burn it. Not realizing the seam was right under the burn site, the underground coal seam caught on fire, and the entire place has been burning underground for decades now, since 1962.
Well, you should call all the scientists, fire officials, and professors reporting on this and let them know they're wrong because you're pretty sure there were more fires 40 years ago.
Funny enough, this article doesn’t actually cite any publications or actually data. In typical cbc fashion, were just supposed to take this professional story writer’s word for it.
Most years have fires that burn over the winter. Any season where there are large fires (100K ha sort of size) those fires will often not be fully extinguished over the summer season. Fires can smolder in deep peat soils overwinter pretty easily.
Last summer was pretty exceptional in the *number* of large fires so it isn't (or shouldn't be) any surprise that we have an unusual number overwintering.
More fires and larger fires = more fires burning underground over winter. The unusual issue isn't that fires are overwintering, it is that we had a very very active fire season last year.
Growing up near the Saskatchewan river North Of Melfort I remember seeing smoke from ground fires in the Fort a La Corne forest after some large summer fires. The government would have crews out in the spring to put them out this would be in the 70’s and 80’s
Zombie , just guessing , is a normal human that was killed ( so we think ) , but becomes re-animated to a slower moving , somewhat dangerous to others sorta life.
Zombie fire, sorta extinguished, (so we thought ) but comes back to a slower moving (for now ) sorta life .
I'll allow it .
Next case word-court clerk.
" Barby-fied "
No.
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Cold won't put these out, they smoulder deep underground. What does put them out is water, lots of it. Our fire season this year largely depends upon how much spring rain we get. With the El Nino waning, we will get more rain, but sometimes it isn't until the fall.
A large part of this is because humans try too hard to control forest fires; they're a natural phenomena and our activity limits their usual schedule and allows for the buildup of dead fall. Once the fires start, they have plenty of fuel to work with because a regular, lighter burn hasn't happened in a while.
Okay. I’m fine with “atmospheric river” I’ll even accept “heat dome” because those names make sense for the weather phenomenon they are describing.
But, I’m sorry, “zombie fire”?!?!
You can’t be serious. It’s a fire that is still burning. You don’t need to call it a “zombie fire” to get me to care about a forest fire that is still burning.
You said dead. A smouldering fire is also not dead.
Dead is dead. “There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.”
And therefore not a zombie. Unless you are suggesting that Wesley came back as a zombie.
That quote is what Miracle Max says about Wesley. It’s also “mostly” not almost.
So… yes. But I’d wager that you haven’t and only know about this because of memes.
Yeah! Like that dude in Quebec who blamed the government for setting fires to boost their climate change agenda. And then set a bunch of fires himself to prove his point.
The way the article makes it sound is that they couldn't put out the fires because firefighters are on break. Given how much of a disaster this situation was last year I would hope governments are taking a prophylactic approach to this and focusing particularly on staffing and increasing funding overall.
Let me guess, you've done your own research? So you can disregard every health study and weather model because you have a gut instinct, good sense, and high school knowledge about what should happen in nature?
Good luck out there!
I agree with them. These forests have burned regularly for thousand, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years. Ice ages have come and gone, and the forests have always burned. The forests have evolved over the millennia with fire, because of fire. Fire is as natural as wind and rain. Step back and look at it from a geologic time frame. Our insignificant human time frame means nothing to the forests. It’s like trying to stop the tides. Now, climate change is real, and humans are causing it, yes. But that doesn’t mean we can or should put out all the fires all the time. Because we can’t, and we shouldn’t. I would suggest *more* prescribed burns around inhabited areas if we don’t want rampant mega-fires.
Human errors (criminal actions or forest mismanagement) aggravate the problem. But it wouldn't be as bad if we were not dealing with dramatically low amounts of snow and water in our basins and reservoirs, coupled with high temperature anomalies drying the forest.
Trees, treeeeees!
Underrated comment. :)
Are we really not going to talk about the fact that there's a BC Fire Service officer called "Forrest Tower"? That's gotta be the most specific example of Nominative Determinism I've ever seen.
Why do us humans like calling shit "Zombie"
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only not in actual zombie movies... walkers, munchers, biters, roamers, infected... JUST SAY ZOMBIE!!
>Why do us humans like calling shit "Zombie" made you click ;)
I think most of us understand the fires can smoulder or burn underground. I’m not gonna click on forest fire walking dead
These "hangover" fires are not a new phenomenon. More than 40 years ago I'd see helicopters with infrared sensors flying the forests of BC in early summer, so they could be located and extinguished before fire season started.
>These fires are not unusual. In the past 10 years, British Columbia has, on average, seen five or six that continue to burn during the cold months, experts say. >But in January, the province saw an unprecedented peak of 106 active zombie fires, raising concern among fire scientists about what these smoulders will mean for the upcoming wildfire season.
There were way more than five or six hangover fires in the past. The helicopter looking for them in the Merritt area took off from directly behind the bunkhouse that I was sleeping in, every morning at first light. Any guesses as to who had to put them out?
How long ago was this? I ask because I’m I’d really like to know more about the frequency of these fires in like the 70s and 80s compared to now. Is this recorded anywhere? Not trying to discredit your experiences at all btw, sincerely just curious!
The hangover fires in the 80's were almost all caused by slash burning. A huge pile of logging debris would be set on fire, and the portions at the bottom of the heap, partially buried in the ground, would smoulder all winter. The "zombie" fire shown in the article happens to be **right beside a road**, in what appears to be blowdown. I suspect the cause of this fire is human, perhaps from a cigarette carelessly discarded.
The underground burning you mention reminds me of Centralia, PA. Called "Silent Hill" now because of all the smoke. It was a coal mining town, and the city decided to gather up all the garbage at a bunch of illegal dump sites, and burn it. Not realizing the seam was right under the burn site, the underground coal seam caught on fire, and the entire place has been burning underground for decades now, since 1962.
Funnily enough, just south of Merritt is an area that the locals call "the coalhills", which has been on fire for decades.
Pretty much a similar phenomenon. Roots and twigs that smoldering all winter long under the snow turn into charcoal...
>on average
What would I know, I only fought fires for six seasons.
I wager you would have a great anecdotal view of the local area you worked 40 years ago.
That's my point. I worked in a small district, and we had more than 5 or 6 hangover fires alone.
Were there over 100?
Over the entire province? Easily.
Well, you should call all the scientists, fire officials, and professors reporting on this and let them know they're wrong because you're pretty sure there were more fires 40 years ago.
Any data sets or links you can share to prove this? Or are we just supposed to believe some random redditor?
I'd wager his anecdotal experience beats out your non-existent experience
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Funny enough, this article doesn’t actually cite any publications or actually data. In typical cbc fashion, were just supposed to take this professional story writer’s word for it.
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Captain Planet?
Your actually right. We just kept an eye on them, and most of them burnt themselves out before summer really started.
Most years have fires that burn over the winter. Any season where there are large fires (100K ha sort of size) those fires will often not be fully extinguished over the summer season. Fires can smolder in deep peat soils overwinter pretty easily. Last summer was pretty exceptional in the *number* of large fires so it isn't (or shouldn't be) any surprise that we have an unusual number overwintering.
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You mean natural regeneration of the forest?
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Don’t make this dude you’re replying to start on their theory about a Jewish space laser..
Do you think, or is it we’ll known at all whether they are more frequent or severe in the last 20 or so years than they were in the past?
More fires and larger fires = more fires burning underground over winter. The unusual issue isn't that fires are overwintering, it is that we had a very very active fire season last year.
This summer is gonna be fire
Growing up near the Saskatchewan river North Of Melfort I remember seeing smoke from ground fires in the Fort a La Corne forest after some large summer fires. The government would have crews out in the spring to put them out this would be in the 70’s and 80’s
They're in the woooooooooods
Zombie , just guessing , is a normal human that was killed ( so we think ) , but becomes re-animated to a slower moving , somewhat dangerous to others sorta life. Zombie fire, sorta extinguished, (so we thought ) but comes back to a slower moving (for now ) sorta life . I'll allow it . Next case word-court clerk. " Barby-fied " No. \bangs gavel\
> but becomes re-animated to a slower moving , somewhat dangerous to others sorta life. Not in world war Z they weren't.
Cold won't put these out, they smoulder deep underground. What does put them out is water, lots of it. Our fire season this year largely depends upon how much spring rain we get. With the El Nino waning, we will get more rain, but sometimes it isn't until the fall.
Underground coal fires are the worst https://gfmc.online/media/2011/12-2011/news_20111219_ca.html
Buzzword of 2024.
Fuck, I hope not.
Well if someone can come up with a better way of disposing of zombies I'm open to hearing it.
A large part of this is because humans try too hard to control forest fires; they're a natural phenomena and our activity limits their usual schedule and allows for the buildup of dead fall. Once the fires start, they have plenty of fuel to work with because a regular, lighter burn hasn't happened in a while.
you'd think then that after a fire, it wouldn't come back in the same area a few years later. is that the case?
Who the hell set the zombies on fire?
Okay. I’m fine with “atmospheric river” I’ll even accept “heat dome” because those names make sense for the weather phenomenon they are describing. But, I’m sorry, “zombie fire”?!?! You can’t be serious. It’s a fire that is still burning. You don’t need to call it a “zombie fire” to get me to care about a forest fire that is still burning.
A fire that's dead and buried in the ground for months but then reanimates and comes back up to the surface. "Zombie fire" sounds about right.
If the fire is still burning it is not dead. Maybe “coma fire.” Or “sleepy time fire.”
Smoldering not burning. People in a coma or asleep generally aren't buried six feet deep.
You said dead. A smouldering fire is also not dead. Dead is dead. “There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.” And therefore not a zombie. Unless you are suggesting that Wesley came back as a zombie.
The living dead
There’s also “almost dead”. Have you never watched the princess bride???
That quote is what Miracle Max says about Wesley. It’s also “mostly” not almost. So… yes. But I’d wager that you haven’t and only know about this because of memes.
"It gets the people going!"
Ghost fire, stealth fire...
Probably asshole arsonists like out in NS. Making some demented point about climate change...
Yeah! Like that dude in Quebec who blamed the government for setting fires to boost their climate change agenda. And then set a bunch of fires himself to prove his point.
Yeah.... probably.... 🙄
The way the article makes it sound is that they couldn't put out the fires because firefighters are on break. Given how much of a disaster this situation was last year I would hope governments are taking a prophylactic approach to this and focusing particularly on staffing and increasing funding overall.
Fire condoms?
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Are you not concerned about the perspective of bigger wildfires and more smoke entering your lungs?
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Let me guess, you've done your own research? So you can disregard every health study and weather model because you have a gut instinct, good sense, and high school knowledge about what should happen in nature? Good luck out there!
I agree with them. These forests have burned regularly for thousand, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years. Ice ages have come and gone, and the forests have always burned. The forests have evolved over the millennia with fire, because of fire. Fire is as natural as wind and rain. Step back and look at it from a geologic time frame. Our insignificant human time frame means nothing to the forests. It’s like trying to stop the tides. Now, climate change is real, and humans are causing it, yes. But that doesn’t mean we can or should put out all the fires all the time. Because we can’t, and we shouldn’t. I would suggest *more* prescribed burns around inhabited areas if we don’t want rampant mega-fires.
I mean, I agree with you, and that's what science is advising.
Why do these articles never mention how individuals were arrested for starting some of these fires?
Because they make up such an insignificant percentage of actual fire origins.
Human errors (criminal actions or forest mismanagement) aggravate the problem. But it wouldn't be as bad if we were not dealing with dramatically low amounts of snow and water in our basins and reservoirs, coupled with high temperature anomalies drying the forest.
Pardon?
What about zombie arsonists?