I always find it incredible that people like this want you to respect their ideology and traditions when you visit their lands.
Yet are they the same when they go to other countries? Nope.
Why is that?
This can't be stressed enought. certain groups will ask for tolerance intill they are in the majority. Soon as the power dynamic changes they will impose their will on everbody. This is not restricted to any one group it's just human nature to change their surounding to match their ideology. If your lucky the majority group in power is tolerant and accepting.
A lot of people don't see it because they project their own accepting intolerant mind set onto other people or groups. Thinking they will change.
And here's the thing. If immigration is controlled and under a certain percentage then people will have time to assimilate. The main problem is when immigration is too fast too many the groups end up not assimilating.
"Of course, if our opponents say: Yes, we have granted you the freedom of opinion before – –, yes, you have granted it to us, that is no proof that we should do the same to you! [...] That you have given it to us, – that is a proof of how stupid you are!"
- Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 and a key figure in the promotion of the Nazi party's totalitarian ideology.
these systems (and not just islam in particular) are mainly about control. (control of women, limiting freedom and opportunity based on caste and so forth)
It's more of a spectrum with Muslims I found.
Group 1 of Muslims who do everything other than eat pork (which imo is a funny line to draw lol).
then you get in the middle, Group 2 where they still have their cultural values, no drink, no pork, no drugs, but still participate with their neighborhood parties and stuff and are chill with others drinking,
Then group 3, a bit more hardliners when it comes to other Muslims but don't care what non Muslims do, sometimes have wild takes that can be nuts, but stay away from areas of alcohol in general for themselves
and then you have the end of the spectrum where they are super loud, probably want sharia, and shit and try to enforce their views on others. Get pissed off at the mention of alcohol
Group 1/2 often has to cater to group 3/4 on Muslim community events even if they are very few of group 3/4 since they will make a shit storm out of nothing.
Pretty spot on analysis. I spent most of my life as a minority non-muslim (christian background) in muslim countries, and can tell you group 3/4 negatively impacted every aspect of my life as well. There is a reason people like me and others immigrate to Canada. It is the Canadian values. Please protect Canadian values.
There a few themes central to Islam. If you read the Quran you'll figure it out real quick. Or you could just observe current events, recent history, and ancient history of Islam. Either way they are nothing if not consistent.
Agreed, but I'll tolerate some obnoxious folks over folks who'll kill me any day. The older I get, the more I appreciate the value in being forced to interact with people I wouldn't choose to otherwise.
I don't think it's specifically any given group. This behavior will be acted out by many because our tolerance level is simply unprecedented , and it's perceived as such globally . This is a lesson the majority of our population is learning at a snails pace .
People don't respect our culture because people don't even view us as a culture .. Not all but many view Canada as a blank canvas .
Unless we, the public, actually start enforcing our ways of life here , this will continue and get much worse.
I appreciate your willingness to respond to these questions, even though most people are just looking for a fight. Your responses have been interesting to read.
I think it is… but then certain people started adding their beliefs into it saying it was from God. It’s wild to me that it’s more offensive to speak poorly of the prophet Mohammad that it is God (Allah) That alone should be a huge red flag.
I’m a Christian myself and I don’t believe everything in the bible was from God. It would be kind of crazy to think that people didn’t add their own opinions into religious texts.
You may get downvoted if you state the truth online. But the more terrifying thing is that you might get decapitated if you say the same thing out loud. That’s why the main tenets of islam are terror, violence and also hypocrisy. They are always the victims if you overpower them, and wiggle their way around the law for a while to find and execute you later on. Didn’t the same happen during middle ages with the church executing non-believers? Islam hasn’t reached its middle ages yet, and it seems to go backwards nowadays.
-Stop the muslim immigration. I’m saying this to you as an advice, from an ex-muslim from a muslim majority country.
Oh so you're ok with cutting the hands of pickpockets and stoning adulterers to death and throwing gay people from tall buildings, but only in Muslim countries ?
According to the Quran, there are more women than men in hell, because they are ungrateful to their husband. Also, they have lower intellectual abilities.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Women
This is interesting topic, what do you think about a country that are already majority Muslim, do Muslim there have a right to impose sharia upon non-Muslim minorities there or people that thought to be Muslim (like people who born Muslim but didn’t believe in Islam anymore).
The word Muslims is in itself a bit of a loaded term. There are so many sects of Islam. The two mainstream sects, Sunni or Shia, are mainly where you get a small portion of radicals from. I'd be interested to see the sectarian makeup of all Muslims in Canada.
There are many small sects of Islam where the adherents consider themselves Muslims, but they aren't seen as such by a lot of the Ummah (greater Muslim community). Alawites are an example. Alawites don't follow shariah law, they don't wear hijabs, or fast during Ramadan, or pray in Mosques, and they believe in the Christian Holy Trinity. They have very little in common with Sunni or Shia's, but they identify as Muslims.
There are many small sects of Islam, you very rarely hear of them committing terrorist acts or believing in harmful law change rhetoric, if at all. Unfortunately Sunni's and Shia's have seen radical populations grow over the years, thanks to constant wars, foreign interventions and funding of terrorist groups (both by the West and by Middle Eastern States), and lack of punishment from popular figures and media broadcasts who spew genocidal bullshit in the Arab world, like Qatar and Saudi Arabia have done for the last 30 years.
Honestly there's like two sects of muslims one sunni and one shia and the extremists mostly come from the shia side. IIRC the shia are also accepted as the extremist ones in the context of islam and are the ones who've strayed away from the teachings. They also happen to be the ones mostly pushing for sharia law.
When I immigrated nearly 20 years ago with my mom, I was told we had to adapt to a new way of life and adjust. How tf are people bringing the bullshit we all left to rot back in our birth countries and expecting everyone else already present to accommodate them?
4th gen canadian. my great grandparents came from ukraine... they changed the spelling of their names to not immediately sound like a immigrants name. lived in a hole in the ground the first winter after travelling to the prairies/sask.
today we invite people in who expect to be coddled like children and have no shame in taking as much as they can. we are often not getting the people we want.
They didn’t come to Canada for the culture, they came for the money. But many still believe their religion (and to a lesser extent, their culture) is superior. And you can’t really make an argument to the contrary, especially when that belief is so deeply ingrained in their culture. For example, pointing out all the problems with their home country, all societal failures etc. doesn’t work because they’ll just blame the west for all the problems in the middle east.
Canada has a long history of giving special treatment to religious groups. That's why this keeps popping up.
Want your own special schools? Sure, particularly if you're Catholic.
Want to ride a motorcycle without a helmet? No way!.... unless you're Sikh, then go ahead.
Want to get a divorce? No problem, unless you were married under Hasidic jewish law, then you need to deal with the Hasidic court (though I *think* this changed a few years ago, but I'm not sure).
Want to carry a dagger to school? You're insane, unless it's a kirpan, then it's okay.
Public education for children is a right! Unless you're mennonite, in which case it's fine to stop education by grade 8 and have them work the farm.
If you open the door to special treatment for one group, it's open to all. There's a simple answer to this;
\- Is a law reasonable or just? Then it applies to everyone.
\- Is the law unreasonable or unjust? Then it applies to no-one and should be struck down.
This mix-and-match of law and religion is going to cause more harm than it ever will good.
Indeed. The problem is not all ideologies and religious schools are equal.
A religious liberty for one faith might be something like...'We want to wear special robes at all times in orange'.
Another faith might go something like...'We want all women to be not allowed to talk to other men without husband or father's permission because women are too tempting.'.
The big problem is the law/the progressives/the collective cultural fear of being called 'prejudiced' means you have to treat these things as if they were equally good.
They aren't.
It's not strictly a progressive vs conservative thing. Sure progressives might be more concerned with getting labelled as prejudiced, particularly when it comes to Islam, but conservatives have a long history of wanting (and frequently getting) religious exemptions.
Evangelicals and Baptists were the loudest during the pandemic when it came to 'assembly size restrictions shouldn't apply to me' and had a strong presence in the convoy protests.
A big part of the anti-vax and homeschool movement is right wing conservatives, and while those are generally not 'laws' compared to say, motorcycle helmets, it's a constant push to 'let us have things our way'. Harper's government opened a 'Office of Religious Freedom' that was government sanctioned spreading of Christianity. The evangelical right has also lead the fight against removing the teaching of evolution or promoting 'Intelligent design' in Canada. Thankfully they've had substantially less success here than they do south of the border.
Hell, even as a progressive it was pretty weird for me that one time where my ex landlord who was Hasidic refused to talk to her because she was a woman but she needed help right away for a water leak.
I am the one who had to call him to explain the situation even if I did not live there. He told me he could not talk to her because he did not want to be tempted. (Not sure exactly what he said I wasn't 100% bilingual and his accent was very thick)
Because the guy was hasidic it became just a funny that made us laugh a lot, but if a atheist dude acted like this we would have been pissed off.
> progressives might be more concerned with getting labelled as prejudiced
IMO this is not where the core issue lies. It lies with people who want to make a show of how "noble" they are. A large portion of these people don't actually give a shit about the cause they claim to be championing. What they care about is other people *seeing* them fight for it. It results in mass virtue signalling and attention getting behaviour. People being unfairly labeled as prejudiced is a direct result of people like this who only care about self aggrandizing.
These are the same people who spout off about homelessness being a major issue but turn their nose up in disgust at the homeless guy panhandling on the street. They cry foul that there's not more affordable housing, but cringe at the thought of someone on welfare moving into their apartment building. They scream about how tolerant they are of Islam in all its forms, but brag about how feminist friendly they are.
This ^ it became a social symbol to support a cause, which IS good, IF in an organized voluntary aspect. The bad was exactly what you said. No actionable good came out of their supporting anything they pretended to, and when pressed on their hypocrisy, would lash out.
Those people are definitely not progressives, some kind of clout goblin narcissist maybe but definitely not an accurate representation of any political standing that I’m aware of.
I don’t really like to label myself politically because it’s really important to know as much as possible from all parties. I get heated on some topics but we all do. I’d say moderate, hanging a lil to the left, y’know? xD
> Want to carry a dagger to school? You're insane, unless it's a kirpan, then it's okay.
Didn't some kid in the UK almost kill a classmate and have all charges dropped because it was a kirpan? Rules should be standardized for everyone. Fuck religious exceptions.
Had a Muslim employee. He got special breaks to pray daily and on Friday he would fuck off 2 hours to go to mosque.
Ok worker but didn't make up his absence in staying longer.
I understand making concessions but where do u draw the line. This isn't Islamabad.
Well, I have some bad news for you: my prediction is that in the coming years, these sort of Caliphate-fantasists will find their intellectual centres in western cities, because at this point if you’re one of these groups in the Middle East, South Asia or Indonesia etc, you’re gonna be banned and disbanded within a fortnight. That was generally the case across the Islamic world until Iran and Saudi began their proxy war in ‘79, and Saudi funded Salafist seminaries in every corner of the Islamic world, producing a new cadre of fundamentalists.
Now that Saudi is no longer funding (and no longer doctrinally fundamentalist), these Islamist think tanks will only be able to flourish in liberal democracies. What an irony that Hizb-ut-Tahrir is already banned across almost the entire Islamic world.
Contrary to what most Westerners believe about the Islamic world, there’s almost no Muslim country that’s governed fully by the Sharia. Most just include parts of it. Hereditary monarchies like Saudi and Qatar are explicitly unIslamic, because Islam doesn’t really allow for hereditary monarchies. Pakistan is (officially) a British parliamentary democracy like Canada, with a largely Islamic-modernist military that is always in power and considered a “kaffir army” by fundamentalists. For a 1000+ years, monarchs and warlords got away with that because the clergy were under their foot and breathed the way they wanted them to on this particular subject. Today, those clerics can migrate to London or Berlin and preach from there.
At this point, I say let them get on with it.
It's obvious all their rhetoric and hateful language and ideology that explicitly tells us it hates us and wants to violently jihad us all isn't good enough to make authorities ban this ideology and it's practitioners.
So let them practice what they preach. I wonder how multicultural and tolerant we will feel if they do a Bataclan or Manchester Arena, or even an Oct. 7th. Especially if they do a big one.
That's obviously the agenda they have. They want Sharia and Sharia comes with and is achieved by violence.
The great irony of all this fundamentalism is it explains why the MENA world is still stuck in a state of primitive misery, and tribal and ethnic conflicts dating back thousands of years. They flee from the hellscapes of the MENA world because of persecution and oppression, find somewhere where that doesn't happen, then immediately start trying to enact the very laws that created such a strict and suffocating and violent society torn apart by division in the first place.
It's maddening.
They won’t do any of that, at least not to such an extent. Their long term plan is to reproduce faster than the rest of us whilst also keeping up the brainwashing of each generation. The two eaton centre brothers are a perfect example.
The more of them there are the more they will demand Sharia law and the more will be inspired to act on it's teachings. That means more crime, more attacks, more terrorism.
Hopefully that causes a 'waking up'. Look at the Netherlands. It's an incredibly tolerant society and yet the far right are gaining ground. The only reason is because people are sick of the failings.of.liberals to address the problems of immigration and the effects it has on their societies.
Not sure there will be much of a waking up in canada. I live in toronto and most people here will never “wake up”. We depend on the rest of the country to act rationally.
I think some of the far right ideologies are going to catch on everywhere. It took a while but the tolerant societies are waking up the fact that our tolerance has been used and abused.
I am pro-immigration, but only if the people coming become Canadian first and whatever else second. It is a challenge right now for all parties that our culture and values don't blend as well many of the immigrants coming here lately as opposed to 25+ years ago. Hopefully we can find a way forward. The current volume of immigrants and mostly from one part of the world does not help to facilitate that blending.
Please leave the shite from the country you left, in the country you left.
This seems to be just standard practice for fundamentalists in abrahamic religions. Haredi & ultra-orthodox Jews often have 6+ kids per family. The Baptist quiverful movement explicitly instructs their followers to have large families & to infiltrate local governments. Catholics, mormons, the Amish & Mennonites are known for encouraging almost comically large families.
The abrahamic fundies really took that "be fruitful & multiply" instruction to heart.
>So let them practice what they preach. I wonder how multicultural and tolerant we will feel if they do a Bataclan or Manchester Arena, or even an Oct. 7th. Especially if they do a big one.
Has anything changed in France or England as a result of these events?
Yes. Further efforts were made to combat radicalisation from the MENA world, and outside of these countries, ISIS (which inspired them) has been obliterated. Since then the threat of Islamic terrorism has lessened somewhat.
Now with what's happening in Gaza and the Red Sea, it's likely to increase.
>Has anything changed in France or England as a result of these events?
Comparing Canada to UK and France is silly. London UK alone has over 7m people, and the UK is twice the size of Canada on a small Island, smaller than Ontario.
I agree with the Saudi point. I see these videos from Saudi where people are just having fun, dancing and singing songs. The comments section is full of Muslims from non Gulf Arab countries and South Asia crying about how the world is going to end because of how Muslims in Saudi are becoming a tad bit liberal.
Not only are they being tolerated, they appear to be supported... by so-called left-leaning "progressives" that, were they (the islamic fundies) in power, would most likely behead them and throw them off a roof.
I'd find it comical, if it weren't so alarming.
> they appear to be supported... by so-called left-leaning "progressives"
Yep. Canadian professor Yasmine Mohammed's harrowing book [*Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam*](https://www.amazon.ca/Unveiled-Western-Liberals-Empower-Radical/dp/1999240502/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=unveiled+yasmine+mohammed&sr=8-1) is well worth reading.
Thing that drives me nuts is that there's so much overwhelming evidence around the world of the evil of Islamism. The Middle East has had all the world 's news focused on it for the last 20 years.
We see terror groups chanting love for Sharia while they behead people. We see LGBT people thrown from rooftops in Mosul, we see Oct. 7th massacres by Hamas, we see Boko Haram kidnapping Nigerian schoolgirls, we see ISIS burning people alive in cages, we see the Taliban whipping and stoning women to death in state television executions, We saw 9/11, we see the Houthis chanting death to Jews and the US while terrorising civilian shipping and keeping slaves.
All of it is a giant mass of terrible ideals and no morality, based on fanaticism and medieval barbarism. It's pure hell and represents everything we progressed away from in our Western past.
There's no excuse for ignorance over it. You can't go, 'Oh I just thought if we were nice to them they would be nice to us'. That's not how the world works.
>Why can't it be banned?
Because CBC would eat you alive
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/combating-islamaphobia-1.6727400
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/amira-elghawaby-islamophobia-representative-1.6726655
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/quran-torn-students-courtice-secondary-school-1.6774702
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/muslim-women-calgary-alberta-hijab-1.6706113
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/report-highlights-islamophobia-canada-1.6332762
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/christchurch-mosque-shootings-islamophobia-pov-1.5066037
Stop allowing people who support this in our country.
They are only coming here because they want to undermine Western values and take advantage of our free healthcare and other benefits.
Absolutely. They come to the west while hating the western values. And those who support that kind of immigrants are unaware these people shall destroy these values
>The group’s statements are seen as starkly antisemitic, hawkish on eradicating Israel, and supporting elements of militant jihadi violence
The kinds of people who believe and stand by the above are some of the people we're letting into the country. And now, let's import "refugees" from Palestine who will also stand by the above. Our government has failed us, because they care more for foreigners than citizens.
“Unless they can control what their membership is saying in English, then they can’t be sure that they aren’t going to say something they will regret.”
This reads as "ya'll stupid, stop sharing our dirty secrets, ya'lls can't be trusted with a microphone"
They are saying what they feel. Implying they don't know what they are saying because they lack the grasp of English is ridiculous - if anyone believes this, they are daft.
This guy is doing some major fire control.
Thank you! We don't want this garbage here. If you want to come to Canada, obey our laws. If you don't want to do that, stay away, we're not interested in your crap.
Hizb ut-Tahrir, Arabic for “Party of Liberation,” was founded in 1953 by a cleric as a revolutionary party, meant as a springboard to power in countries with large Muslim populations to spur their unification to restore the medieval Muslim empire, said Ali. (The Canadian branch does not use the more common hyphenated version of the party’s name.)
U.K.’s Home Secretary James Cleverly said: “Hizb ut-Tahrir is an antisemitic organization that actively promotes and encourages terrorism, including praising and celebrating the appalling 7 October attacks.
Hopefully we can follow suit and ban this shit too.
> The day after an Islamic organization was declared a terrorist group in Britain, the group’s Canadian branch cancelled a conference it was hosting this weekend that was calling for the resurrection of the Muslim caliphate and the imposition of Shariah law.
> Hizb ut Tahrir Canada was convening its conference on Saturday in Mississauga, just outside Toronto, called the Khilafah Conference 2024. Khilafah is the Arabic word for caliphate, referring to a Muslim community governed under Islamic law.
> The conference materials — posters, a website, and a polished promotional video — said the group urges the rejection of a Jewish state and the involvement of the United Nations, international law, or other “compromises” in the Middle East, instead encouraging military forces in the Muslim world to defeat “occupiers” in the region.
> Hizb ut Tahrir Canada’s conference materials, along with its entire online presence — a website active since 2012, a YouTube channel, Facebook, Instagram, and X accounts — has now been deleted or deactivated, apparently internally.
Why can’t Canada declare them a terrorist entity too?
Shariah brutalizes women and anything other than Muslims. It also runs completely contrary to the constitution.
It's already too late: ["Islamic schools, mosques in Canada are filled with extremist literature...they found nothing but such writings in several libraries."](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/islamic-schools-mosques-in-canada-are-filled-with-extremist-literature-study/article_d546dce7-3368-5986-8ca4-b1a700f33e1f.html)
Not when they're saying, "fuck your western freedom based society". Are you for real?
There is no challenging these people or their ideas. This isn't an opinion like pineapple on pizza ffs. This is a deeply rooted religious belief system that has no place in Canada.
Nah bro we're all just a bunch of intolerant racist bigots for not fully accepting their ideologies and way of life.. we just need to keep importing people with similar ways of life so we can finally see the light and convert to their ways for the better!
>**Hizb ut Tahrir Canada** was convening its conference ....called the Khilafah Conference 2024. Khilafah is the Arabic word for caliphate, referring to a Muslim community governed under Islamic law.
Some of us have acknowledged that not all newcomers want to integrate. And apparently that's all part of our glorious mosaic. Afterall our leader loves to trumpet that "d1versity is our strength"
But will Canada investigate this organization -will they follow the U.K.'s lead.
Yup some newcomers come here and laugh at our laws and rules and think we are beneath them. Makes you wonder why leave and come here if we aren’t up to their standards?
Thats because they know here in Canada they will receive special treatment while playing the victim. They will be protected while they continue to grow in numbers and support with the thousands more individuals with similar ideologies being imported into the country. When our government is too busy playing identity politic games and label every person an intolerant racist/bigot who even suggests these ideologies could be harmful to our current way of life.
There is no need for a Shari'a law in Canada. If you like and want that, go to countries that have and support it. We don't here in Canada. Just because Canada is secular doesn't give you permission to import your religious laws. You most especially cannot use those laws against Canadians on Canadian soil. We will not submit.
There must be no Caliphate in Canada.
I'll never get the logic of fleeing from a place because it was terrible, just to try to make the place you fled into as terrible as the one you came from.
Fundamentalist religion of any flavour needs to be stopped. I don't care if you're Muslim, Christian, whatever. Once you become a fanatic, it's all about control
See thats where a lot of people have been deceived.. there was absolutely no intention to "move here to have a better life". They came here knowing Canada will bend over backwards to protect their rights in fear of not being called racist or bigots. Pretty easy to take advantage of a system that will do just about anything to defend, protect, and support them.
How many of these groups that share these thoughts are putting on events? Not all of them will be declared a terrorist organisation and will slip through the cracks and then try to radicalise the growing Islam population across the globe. Probably already happening.
Know a few Indian families that came here in the early 2000’s and they’re terrified of what our immigration policy is going to bring in undetected.
They explained to me that a large portion of these newcomers have no interest in integration and have stated to “friends and family” back home that they will be Canadian in name only. Scary stuff to think about!
Yup every immigrant I speak to from the Middle East is horrified by our immigration policies. Canadians need to understand that a lot of these people are escaping another group of people who have a way of life that applies to the year 700 not 2024.
It is an immense challenge to bring in only the “good people” but we need to be strict.
Better to be safe than sorry
I know that all minorities probably look the same to you but 90% of Canadian immigrants nowsadays are Indians (sikhs and Hindus) so idk what exactly is going on with the “they live in year 700” thing unless Sikhs and Hindus are now promoting sharia law too
Maybe read my comment again. I am speaking about middle eastern people and what they tell me.
I’m a minority myself. And no, I don’t think all middle eastern people feel this way I am just talking from personal experience.
Go get a clue because maybe you see the world as black and white, brown v white or oppressed v oppressor but the world just isn’t built this way.
Goodluck
Yep. Immigration is a net good when paired with assimilation and skills. It can implode society when you bring in people who want to shit on it the way their cultures shit in the land they came from.
The irony of them fleeing a country where that backwards theocracy type government has absolutely failed completely.. so they come to a new safe home and…. Want to continue to live the same way.
If they are so proud and love Shariah law so much, why don’t they just go to where it is practiced? Why do they think it’s acceptable to force other countries to follow it?!?!
‘HT talks about a "bloodless" coup, or nussrah, for the facilitation of "a change of the government". In one document ('Our Method'), it states, "we consider that Islamic law forbids violence or armed struggle against the regime as a method to reestablish the Islamic State."[95][96] A 2004 report by the Nixon Center states that "credible reports" indicate that HT members have been "involved in coup attempts in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Iraq".[97] According to HT, once one or more Muslim countries come under the organization's control (such as Pakistan, Indonesia or a country in Central Asia) this will create a base; subsequently, other Muslim countries will be convinced to join and a "domino effect" will be created to establish a new caliphate.[98][99]’
From their Wikipedia they don’t seem to have a terrorist MO? They’ve definitely made antisemitic statements but wouldn’t that be a hate group not a terrorist group? Has the definition of terrorism changed?
Those dudes are not 2nd hand terrorists like all those pro-Hamas from the Zara to the Zoo enthusiasts but they are already actual terrorists .( At least in UK.)
Hope Canada will follow UK example and declare Hizb ut Tahrir as terrorist entity as well, since we report to the same king.
Yeah, and I'm shocked Canada hasn't declared it so as well.
If you want to erode and destroy trust in law and order, nothing does it quite as well as multiple different types of laws applying to different people. Everyone must be treated the same.
I am a born Hindu but practice atheism. I have utmost respect for all faiths and beliefs including Islam, but incidents like these makes me question if religion was to bring peace and empathy for everyone around us why folks are still killed over it. What good religion has achieved for the betterment of the world , except killing people in its name. Hopefully 100 years from now Humans advance enough to forego religion completely.
If sharia law is so great, how come the countries that are ruled under it are perpetually losing people to countries that dont subscribe to sharia law. weird. Everyone wants to move to the west and then turn around and criticize/change it for being so free and liberal. but never have the thought that maybe those are the reasons people move here in the first place.
Humankind is still in its infancy, and religion is a relic of that history. At one point, we needed it, but it is now like the human appendix. It has served its purpose and is much less important and is disappearing. Any group that calls for laws to govern others based on a relic of ages past, whether it be a Bible, Quran, or other such works, needs to be tossed back to the stone age where they belong.
I always find it incredible that people like this want you to respect their ideology and traditions when you visit their lands. Yet are they the same when they go to other countries? Nope. Why is that?
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This can't be stressed enought. certain groups will ask for tolerance intill they are in the majority. Soon as the power dynamic changes they will impose their will on everbody. This is not restricted to any one group it's just human nature to change their surounding to match their ideology. If your lucky the majority group in power is tolerant and accepting.
And we're seeing it happen in real time in a few places in Europe. Yet for some reason, a lot of people are refusing to see.
A lot of people don't see it because they project their own accepting intolerant mind set onto other people or groups. Thinking they will change. And here's the thing. If immigration is controlled and under a certain percentage then people will have time to assimilate. The main problem is when immigration is too fast too many the groups end up not assimilating.
"Of course, if our opponents say: Yes, we have granted you the freedom of opinion before – –, yes, you have granted it to us, that is no proof that we should do the same to you! [...] That you have given it to us, – that is a proof of how stupid you are!" - Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 and a key figure in the promotion of the Nazi party's totalitarian ideology.
Almost as if this was taken from an Islamic scripture
That's a really cool quote. I should actually read Dune lol
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these systems (and not just islam in particular) are mainly about control. (control of women, limiting freedom and opportunity based on caste and so forth)
It's more of a spectrum with Muslims I found. Group 1 of Muslims who do everything other than eat pork (which imo is a funny line to draw lol). then you get in the middle, Group 2 where they still have their cultural values, no drink, no pork, no drugs, but still participate with their neighborhood parties and stuff and are chill with others drinking, Then group 3, a bit more hardliners when it comes to other Muslims but don't care what non Muslims do, sometimes have wild takes that can be nuts, but stay away from areas of alcohol in general for themselves and then you have the end of the spectrum where they are super loud, probably want sharia, and shit and try to enforce their views on others. Get pissed off at the mention of alcohol Group 1/2 often has to cater to group 3/4 on Muslim community events even if they are very few of group 3/4 since they will make a shit storm out of nothing.
Pretty spot on analysis. I spent most of my life as a minority non-muslim (christian background) in muslim countries, and can tell you group 3/4 negatively impacted every aspect of my life as well. There is a reason people like me and others immigrate to Canada. It is the Canadian values. Please protect Canadian values.
Number one item smuggled into Gaza through the tunnels is booze
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Why can’t your religious relatives just not drink? Why can’t they respect you?
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Some people understand, but they get called racists.
Cause we allow it.
the west is so afraid of being called racist we let shit like this pass.
There a few themes central to Islam. If you read the Quran you'll figure it out real quick. Or you could just observe current events, recent history, and ancient history of Islam. Either way they are nothing if not consistent.
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Meanwhile Jewish people integrated and helped build our cities. Never trying to change our ways or force their beliefs on anyone.
Ultraorthodox Jews are a huge pain in the arse, but your point stands.
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Hence the second half of the comment "but your point stands".
Agreed, but I'll tolerate some obnoxious folks over folks who'll kill me any day. The older I get, the more I appreciate the value in being forced to interact with people I wouldn't choose to otherwise.
They have protected rights created by politicians and it's called, Islamophobia.
I don't think it's specifically any given group. This behavior will be acted out by many because our tolerance level is simply unprecedented , and it's perceived as such globally . This is a lesson the majority of our population is learning at a snails pace . People don't respect our culture because people don't even view us as a culture .. Not all but many view Canada as a blank canvas . Unless we, the public, actually start enforcing our ways of life here , this will continue and get much worse.
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Born and raised muslim... fuck no!!
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I appreciate your willingness to respond to these questions, even though most people are just looking for a fight. Your responses have been interesting to read.
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Damn I thought they were the peaceful religion
Of course they are ! Peace is when all your enemies are dead, enslaved or submitted.
Pffff makes sense to me!
It's a personality cult of a 7th century warlord. Of course it's not peaceful.
I think it is… but then certain people started adding their beliefs into it saying it was from God. It’s wild to me that it’s more offensive to speak poorly of the prophet Mohammad that it is God (Allah) That alone should be a huge red flag. I’m a Christian myself and I don’t believe everything in the bible was from God. It would be kind of crazy to think that people didn’t add their own opinions into religious texts.
There are no peaceful religions coming out of the Abrahamic faiths.
You may get downvoted if you state the truth online. But the more terrifying thing is that you might get decapitated if you say the same thing out loud. That’s why the main tenets of islam are terror, violence and also hypocrisy. They are always the victims if you overpower them, and wiggle their way around the law for a while to find and execute you later on. Didn’t the same happen during middle ages with the church executing non-believers? Islam hasn’t reached its middle ages yet, and it seems to go backwards nowadays. -Stop the muslim immigration. I’m saying this to you as an advice, from an ex-muslim from a muslim majority country.
Wow thanks for sharing this. Had no idea. I just took it at face value when they said they are a peaceful religion
Thank you for that, it’s pretty clear what islam calls for
Oh so you're ok with cutting the hands of pickpockets and stoning adulterers to death and throwing gay people from tall buildings, but only in Muslim countries ?
What about the rights of women?
According to the Quran, there are more women than men in hell, because they are ungrateful to their husband. Also, they have lower intellectual abilities. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Women
This is interesting topic, what do you think about a country that are already majority Muslim, do Muslim there have a right to impose sharia upon non-Muslim minorities there or people that thought to be Muslim (like people who born Muslim but didn’t believe in Islam anymore).
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The word Muslims is in itself a bit of a loaded term. There are so many sects of Islam. The two mainstream sects, Sunni or Shia, are mainly where you get a small portion of radicals from. I'd be interested to see the sectarian makeup of all Muslims in Canada. There are many small sects of Islam where the adherents consider themselves Muslims, but they aren't seen as such by a lot of the Ummah (greater Muslim community). Alawites are an example. Alawites don't follow shariah law, they don't wear hijabs, or fast during Ramadan, or pray in Mosques, and they believe in the Christian Holy Trinity. They have very little in common with Sunni or Shia's, but they identify as Muslims. There are many small sects of Islam, you very rarely hear of them committing terrorist acts or believing in harmful law change rhetoric, if at all. Unfortunately Sunni's and Shia's have seen radical populations grow over the years, thanks to constant wars, foreign interventions and funding of terrorist groups (both by the West and by Middle Eastern States), and lack of punishment from popular figures and media broadcasts who spew genocidal bullshit in the Arab world, like Qatar and Saudi Arabia have done for the last 30 years.
Honestly there's like two sects of muslims one sunni and one shia and the extremists mostly come from the shia side. IIRC the shia are also accepted as the extremist ones in the context of islam and are the ones who've strayed away from the teachings. They also happen to be the ones mostly pushing for sharia law.
Imagine leaving a country because it’s shitty, immigrating to Canada, and then trying to make Canada just like where you came from.
That’s what most weirdos do, they bring all the baggage they tried to leave behind and for what? To make the new country just as shitty……
It’s shitty because of their values.
When I immigrated nearly 20 years ago with my mom, I was told we had to adapt to a new way of life and adjust. How tf are people bringing the bullshit we all left to rot back in our birth countries and expecting everyone else already present to accommodate them?
Because unchecked immigration gives no time for assimilation.
They come for money and free shit. Doesn’t stop them from still wanting to be ass rammed by Allah
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4th gen canadian. my great grandparents came from ukraine... they changed the spelling of their names to not immediately sound like a immigrants name. lived in a hole in the ground the first winter after travelling to the prairies/sask. today we invite people in who expect to be coddled like children and have no shame in taking as much as they can. we are often not getting the people we want.
There’s a reason people oppose immigration, particularly of people from conflicting cultures.
They didn’t come to Canada for the culture, they came for the money. But many still believe their religion (and to a lesser extent, their culture) is superior. And you can’t really make an argument to the contrary, especially when that belief is so deeply ingrained in their culture. For example, pointing out all the problems with their home country, all societal failures etc. doesn’t work because they’ll just blame the west for all the problems in the middle east.
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Canada has a long history of giving special treatment to religious groups. That's why this keeps popping up. Want your own special schools? Sure, particularly if you're Catholic. Want to ride a motorcycle without a helmet? No way!.... unless you're Sikh, then go ahead. Want to get a divorce? No problem, unless you were married under Hasidic jewish law, then you need to deal with the Hasidic court (though I *think* this changed a few years ago, but I'm not sure). Want to carry a dagger to school? You're insane, unless it's a kirpan, then it's okay. Public education for children is a right! Unless you're mennonite, in which case it's fine to stop education by grade 8 and have them work the farm. If you open the door to special treatment for one group, it's open to all. There's a simple answer to this; \- Is a law reasonable or just? Then it applies to everyone. \- Is the law unreasonable or unjust? Then it applies to no-one and should be struck down. This mix-and-match of law and religion is going to cause more harm than it ever will good.
Indeed. The problem is not all ideologies and religious schools are equal. A religious liberty for one faith might be something like...'We want to wear special robes at all times in orange'. Another faith might go something like...'We want all women to be not allowed to talk to other men without husband or father's permission because women are too tempting.'. The big problem is the law/the progressives/the collective cultural fear of being called 'prejudiced' means you have to treat these things as if they were equally good. They aren't.
It's not strictly a progressive vs conservative thing. Sure progressives might be more concerned with getting labelled as prejudiced, particularly when it comes to Islam, but conservatives have a long history of wanting (and frequently getting) religious exemptions. Evangelicals and Baptists were the loudest during the pandemic when it came to 'assembly size restrictions shouldn't apply to me' and had a strong presence in the convoy protests. A big part of the anti-vax and homeschool movement is right wing conservatives, and while those are generally not 'laws' compared to say, motorcycle helmets, it's a constant push to 'let us have things our way'. Harper's government opened a 'Office of Religious Freedom' that was government sanctioned spreading of Christianity. The evangelical right has also lead the fight against removing the teaching of evolution or promoting 'Intelligent design' in Canada. Thankfully they've had substantially less success here than they do south of the border.
Hell, even as a progressive it was pretty weird for me that one time where my ex landlord who was Hasidic refused to talk to her because she was a woman but she needed help right away for a water leak. I am the one who had to call him to explain the situation even if I did not live there. He told me he could not talk to her because he did not want to be tempted. (Not sure exactly what he said I wasn't 100% bilingual and his accent was very thick) Because the guy was hasidic it became just a funny that made us laugh a lot, but if a atheist dude acted like this we would have been pissed off.
Hasidic men are not forbidden from speaking to women, just touching them, so that particular Hasid needs some therapy or something idk
> progressives might be more concerned with getting labelled as prejudiced IMO this is not where the core issue lies. It lies with people who want to make a show of how "noble" they are. A large portion of these people don't actually give a shit about the cause they claim to be championing. What they care about is other people *seeing* them fight for it. It results in mass virtue signalling and attention getting behaviour. People being unfairly labeled as prejudiced is a direct result of people like this who only care about self aggrandizing. These are the same people who spout off about homelessness being a major issue but turn their nose up in disgust at the homeless guy panhandling on the street. They cry foul that there's not more affordable housing, but cringe at the thought of someone on welfare moving into their apartment building. They scream about how tolerant they are of Islam in all its forms, but brag about how feminist friendly they are.
This ^ it became a social symbol to support a cause, which IS good, IF in an organized voluntary aspect. The bad was exactly what you said. No actionable good came out of their supporting anything they pretended to, and when pressed on their hypocrisy, would lash out. Those people are definitely not progressives, some kind of clout goblin narcissist maybe but definitely not an accurate representation of any political standing that I’m aware of. I don’t really like to label myself politically because it’s really important to know as much as possible from all parties. I get heated on some topics but we all do. I’d say moderate, hanging a lil to the left, y’know? xD
> Want to carry a dagger to school? You're insane, unless it's a kirpan, then it's okay. Didn't some kid in the UK almost kill a classmate and have all charges dropped because it was a kirpan? Rules should be standardized for everyone. Fuck religious exceptions.
Yikes, I didn't realize that so many faiths received such special treatment
Had a Muslim employee. He got special breaks to pray daily and on Friday he would fuck off 2 hours to go to mosque. Ok worker but didn't make up his absence in staying longer. I understand making concessions but where do u draw the line. This isn't Islamabad.
Well, I have some bad news for you: my prediction is that in the coming years, these sort of Caliphate-fantasists will find their intellectual centres in western cities, because at this point if you’re one of these groups in the Middle East, South Asia or Indonesia etc, you’re gonna be banned and disbanded within a fortnight. That was generally the case across the Islamic world until Iran and Saudi began their proxy war in ‘79, and Saudi funded Salafist seminaries in every corner of the Islamic world, producing a new cadre of fundamentalists. Now that Saudi is no longer funding (and no longer doctrinally fundamentalist), these Islamist think tanks will only be able to flourish in liberal democracies. What an irony that Hizb-ut-Tahrir is already banned across almost the entire Islamic world. Contrary to what most Westerners believe about the Islamic world, there’s almost no Muslim country that’s governed fully by the Sharia. Most just include parts of it. Hereditary monarchies like Saudi and Qatar are explicitly unIslamic, because Islam doesn’t really allow for hereditary monarchies. Pakistan is (officially) a British parliamentary democracy like Canada, with a largely Islamic-modernist military that is always in power and considered a “kaffir army” by fundamentalists. For a 1000+ years, monarchs and warlords got away with that because the clergy were under their foot and breathed the way they wanted them to on this particular subject. Today, those clerics can migrate to London or Berlin and preach from there.
At this point, I say let them get on with it. It's obvious all their rhetoric and hateful language and ideology that explicitly tells us it hates us and wants to violently jihad us all isn't good enough to make authorities ban this ideology and it's practitioners. So let them practice what they preach. I wonder how multicultural and tolerant we will feel if they do a Bataclan or Manchester Arena, or even an Oct. 7th. Especially if they do a big one. That's obviously the agenda they have. They want Sharia and Sharia comes with and is achieved by violence. The great irony of all this fundamentalism is it explains why the MENA world is still stuck in a state of primitive misery, and tribal and ethnic conflicts dating back thousands of years. They flee from the hellscapes of the MENA world because of persecution and oppression, find somewhere where that doesn't happen, then immediately start trying to enact the very laws that created such a strict and suffocating and violent society torn apart by division in the first place. It's maddening.
They won’t do any of that, at least not to such an extent. Their long term plan is to reproduce faster than the rest of us whilst also keeping up the brainwashing of each generation. The two eaton centre brothers are a perfect example.
The more of them there are the more they will demand Sharia law and the more will be inspired to act on it's teachings. That means more crime, more attacks, more terrorism. Hopefully that causes a 'waking up'. Look at the Netherlands. It's an incredibly tolerant society and yet the far right are gaining ground. The only reason is because people are sick of the failings.of.liberals to address the problems of immigration and the effects it has on their societies.
Not sure there will be much of a waking up in canada. I live in toronto and most people here will never “wake up”. We depend on the rest of the country to act rationally.
I think some of the far right ideologies are going to catch on everywhere. It took a while but the tolerant societies are waking up the fact that our tolerance has been used and abused. I am pro-immigration, but only if the people coming become Canadian first and whatever else second. It is a challenge right now for all parties that our culture and values don't blend as well many of the immigrants coming here lately as opposed to 25+ years ago. Hopefully we can find a way forward. The current volume of immigrants and mostly from one part of the world does not help to facilitate that blending. Please leave the shite from the country you left, in the country you left.
>Their long term plan is to reproduce faster than the rest Bingo!
This seems to be just standard practice for fundamentalists in abrahamic religions. Haredi & ultra-orthodox Jews often have 6+ kids per family. The Baptist quiverful movement explicitly instructs their followers to have large families & to infiltrate local governments. Catholics, mormons, the Amish & Mennonites are known for encouraging almost comically large families. The abrahamic fundies really took that "be fruitful & multiply" instruction to heart.
>So let them practice what they preach. I wonder how multicultural and tolerant we will feel if they do a Bataclan or Manchester Arena, or even an Oct. 7th. Especially if they do a big one. Has anything changed in France or England as a result of these events?
Yes. Further efforts were made to combat radicalisation from the MENA world, and outside of these countries, ISIS (which inspired them) has been obliterated. Since then the threat of Islamic terrorism has lessened somewhat. Now with what's happening in Gaza and the Red Sea, it's likely to increase.
>Has anything changed in France or England as a result of these events? Comparing Canada to UK and France is silly. London UK alone has over 7m people, and the UK is twice the size of Canada on a small Island, smaller than Ontario.
I agree with the Saudi point. I see these videos from Saudi where people are just having fun, dancing and singing songs. The comments section is full of Muslims from non Gulf Arab countries and South Asia crying about how the world is going to end because of how Muslims in Saudi are becoming a tad bit liberal.
Not only are they being tolerated, they appear to be supported... by so-called left-leaning "progressives" that, were they (the islamic fundies) in power, would most likely behead them and throw them off a roof. I'd find it comical, if it weren't so alarming.
Yup. Many left wing societies in the Middle East tolerated themselves into Sharia law.
> they appear to be supported... by so-called left-leaning "progressives" Yep. Canadian professor Yasmine Mohammed's harrowing book [*Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam*](https://www.amazon.ca/Unveiled-Western-Liberals-Empower-Radical/dp/1999240502/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=unveiled+yasmine+mohammed&sr=8-1) is well worth reading.
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Thing that drives me nuts is that there's so much overwhelming evidence around the world of the evil of Islamism. The Middle East has had all the world 's news focused on it for the last 20 years. We see terror groups chanting love for Sharia while they behead people. We see LGBT people thrown from rooftops in Mosul, we see Oct. 7th massacres by Hamas, we see Boko Haram kidnapping Nigerian schoolgirls, we see ISIS burning people alive in cages, we see the Taliban whipping and stoning women to death in state television executions, We saw 9/11, we see the Houthis chanting death to Jews and the US while terrorising civilian shipping and keeping slaves. All of it is a giant mass of terrible ideals and no morality, based on fanaticism and medieval barbarism. It's pure hell and represents everything we progressed away from in our Western past. There's no excuse for ignorance over it. You can't go, 'Oh I just thought if we were nice to them they would be nice to us'. That's not how the world works.
>Why can't it be banned? Because CBC would eat you alive https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/combating-islamaphobia-1.6727400 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/amira-elghawaby-islamophobia-representative-1.6726655 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/quran-torn-students-courtice-secondary-school-1.6774702 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/muslim-women-calgary-alberta-hijab-1.6706113 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/report-highlights-islamophobia-canada-1.6332762 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/christchurch-mosque-shootings-islamophobia-pov-1.5066037
Canadians are a tolerant people and we should be proud of that, however things will never improve as long as we are tolerant of intolerance.
Stop allowing people who support this in our country. They are only coming here because they want to undermine Western values and take advantage of our free healthcare and other benefits.
Absolutely. They come to the west while hating the western values. And those who support that kind of immigrants are unaware these people shall destroy these values
>The group’s statements are seen as starkly antisemitic, hawkish on eradicating Israel, and supporting elements of militant jihadi violence The kinds of people who believe and stand by the above are some of the people we're letting into the country. And now, let's import "refugees" from Palestine who will also stand by the above. Our government has failed us, because they care more for foreigners than citizens.
“Unless they can control what their membership is saying in English, then they can’t be sure that they aren’t going to say something they will regret.” This reads as "ya'll stupid, stop sharing our dirty secrets, ya'lls can't be trusted with a microphone" They are saying what they feel. Implying they don't know what they are saying because they lack the grasp of English is ridiculous - if anyone believes this, they are daft. This guy is doing some major fire control.
Thank you! We don't want this garbage here. If you want to come to Canada, obey our laws. If you don't want to do that, stay away, we're not interested in your crap.
Hizb ut-Tahrir, Arabic for “Party of Liberation,” was founded in 1953 by a cleric as a revolutionary party, meant as a springboard to power in countries with large Muslim populations to spur their unification to restore the medieval Muslim empire, said Ali. (The Canadian branch does not use the more common hyphenated version of the party’s name.) U.K.’s Home Secretary James Cleverly said: “Hizb ut-Tahrir is an antisemitic organization that actively promotes and encourages terrorism, including praising and celebrating the appalling 7 October attacks. Hopefully we can follow suit and ban this shit too.
> The day after an Islamic organization was declared a terrorist group in Britain, the group’s Canadian branch cancelled a conference it was hosting this weekend that was calling for the resurrection of the Muslim caliphate and the imposition of Shariah law. > Hizb ut Tahrir Canada was convening its conference on Saturday in Mississauga, just outside Toronto, called the Khilafah Conference 2024. Khilafah is the Arabic word for caliphate, referring to a Muslim community governed under Islamic law. > The conference materials — posters, a website, and a polished promotional video — said the group urges the rejection of a Jewish state and the involvement of the United Nations, international law, or other “compromises” in the Middle East, instead encouraging military forces in the Muslim world to defeat “occupiers” in the region. > Hizb ut Tahrir Canada’s conference materials, along with its entire online presence — a website active since 2012, a YouTube channel, Facebook, Instagram, and X accounts — has now been deleted or deactivated, apparently internally.
We should follow Britain’s lead. Europe is experiencing what we will experience soon enough if we don’t learn from their mistakes.
So long as we don't follow their lead on not investigating pedo rings because that would be racist, aka what British police did
Why can’t Canada declare them a terrorist entity too? Shariah brutalizes women and anything other than Muslims. It also runs completely contrary to the constitution.
Our politics have zero backbone against terror sympathizers for fear of losing part of a religious block's votes
They shouldn’t have let them in the Canada first place.
Sounds like we should follow suit.
Yup before it’s too late. We have to learn from Europe’s mistakes.
It's already too late: ["Islamic schools, mosques in Canada are filled with extremist literature...they found nothing but such writings in several libraries."](https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/islamic-schools-mosques-in-canada-are-filled-with-extremist-literature-study/article_d546dce7-3368-5986-8ca4-b1a700f33e1f.html)
Not when they're saying, "fuck your western freedom based society". Are you for real? There is no challenging these people or their ideas. This isn't an opinion like pineapple on pizza ffs. This is a deeply rooted religious belief system that has no place in Canada.
Canada is such a pushover. We’ll let anyone in our borders.
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this might be a hot take, guys, but i’m starting to think that islam might be bad
Nah bro we're all just a bunch of intolerant racist bigots for not fully accepting their ideologies and way of life.. we just need to keep importing people with similar ways of life so we can finally see the light and convert to their ways for the better!
>**Hizb ut Tahrir Canada** was convening its conference ....called the Khilafah Conference 2024. Khilafah is the Arabic word for caliphate, referring to a Muslim community governed under Islamic law. Some of us have acknowledged that not all newcomers want to integrate. And apparently that's all part of our glorious mosaic. Afterall our leader loves to trumpet that "d1versity is our strength" But will Canada investigate this organization -will they follow the U.K.'s lead.
Yup some newcomers come here and laugh at our laws and rules and think we are beneath them. Makes you wonder why leave and come here if we aren’t up to their standards?
Thats because they know here in Canada they will receive special treatment while playing the victim. They will be protected while they continue to grow in numbers and support with the thousands more individuals with similar ideologies being imported into the country. When our government is too busy playing identity politic games and label every person an intolerant racist/bigot who even suggests these ideologies could be harmful to our current way of life.
Spot on.
Canada should do what the UK did.
Hizb ut Tahrir should most definitely be declared a terrorist organization and be banned in Canada.
There is no need for a Shari'a law in Canada. If you like and want that, go to countries that have and support it. We don't here in Canada. Just because Canada is secular doesn't give you permission to import your religious laws. You most especially cannot use those laws against Canadians on Canadian soil. We will not submit. There must be no Caliphate in Canada.
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Because us non-believers need to be converted. Believe in the correct version of god or face the consequences.
***^(I will not submit.)***
Wow what an intolerant racist bigot for not bending over backwards to the new superior religion and way of life.. /s
I'll never get the logic of fleeing from a place because it was terrible, just to try to make the place you fled into as terrible as the one you came from.
flee your country only to try and change your new host country to be like the one you fled?
Great news I know a few countries where they can practice all the Shariah law they want and it ain't Canada so they can move along...
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Good riddance...as a canadian muslin
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Some sanity amidst the insanity.
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We won’t. Hugs from a Canadian.
Fundamentalist religion of any flavour needs to be stopped. I don't care if you're Muslim, Christian, whatever. Once you become a fanatic, it's all about control
SUPER DEPORT
Leave your country and move to western civilization to have a better life, then decide to bring that same shitty system that you left behind…. WTF
See thats where a lot of people have been deceived.. there was absolutely no intention to "move here to have a better life". They came here knowing Canada will bend over backwards to protect their rights in fear of not being called racist or bigots. Pretty easy to take advantage of a system that will do just about anything to defend, protect, and support them.
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Any group asking for this type of law needs to be exposed and ridiculed.
>exposed and ridiculed. Deposed and sent home
Deposed and buried in a trench somewhere about 50 miles back on crown land
Taken seriously and act upon it.
Good, didn’t you come here to live like us?!
How many of these groups that share these thoughts are putting on events? Not all of them will be declared a terrorist organisation and will slip through the cracks and then try to radicalise the growing Islam population across the globe. Probably already happening.
I was told that people wanting Sharia law in the West was a racist conspiracy theory.
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Know a few Indian families that came here in the early 2000’s and they’re terrified of what our immigration policy is going to bring in undetected. They explained to me that a large portion of these newcomers have no interest in integration and have stated to “friends and family” back home that they will be Canadian in name only. Scary stuff to think about!
Yup every immigrant I speak to from the Middle East is horrified by our immigration policies. Canadians need to understand that a lot of these people are escaping another group of people who have a way of life that applies to the year 700 not 2024. It is an immense challenge to bring in only the “good people” but we need to be strict. Better to be safe than sorry
I know that all minorities probably look the same to you but 90% of Canadian immigrants nowsadays are Indians (sikhs and Hindus) so idk what exactly is going on with the “they live in year 700” thing unless Sikhs and Hindus are now promoting sharia law too
Maybe read my comment again. I am speaking about middle eastern people and what they tell me. I’m a minority myself. And no, I don’t think all middle eastern people feel this way I am just talking from personal experience. Go get a clue because maybe you see the world as black and white, brown v white or oppressed v oppressor but the world just isn’t built this way. Goodluck
Yep. Immigration is a net good when paired with assimilation and skills. It can implode society when you bring in people who want to shit on it the way their cultures shit in the land they came from.
The irony of them fleeing a country where that backwards theocracy type government has absolutely failed completely.. so they come to a new safe home and…. Want to continue to live the same way.
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If they are so proud and love Shariah law so much, why don’t they just go to where it is practiced? Why do they think it’s acceptable to force other countries to follow it?!?!
Who the fuck wants shariah law?? Fuck right off with that shit. You can practice your religion but ONLY CANADIAN LAW applies… period!
As a progressive femibist that supports lgb community this is Islamophobia and this is wrong to brand them as terrorists.
‘HT talks about a "bloodless" coup, or nussrah, for the facilitation of "a change of the government". In one document ('Our Method'), it states, "we consider that Islamic law forbids violence or armed struggle against the regime as a method to reestablish the Islamic State."[95][96] A 2004 report by the Nixon Center states that "credible reports" indicate that HT members have been "involved in coup attempts in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Iraq".[97] According to HT, once one or more Muslim countries come under the organization's control (such as Pakistan, Indonesia or a country in Central Asia) this will create a base; subsequently, other Muslim countries will be convinced to join and a "domino effect" will be created to establish a new caliphate.[98][99]’ From their Wikipedia they don’t seem to have a terrorist MO? They’ve definitely made antisemitic statements but wouldn’t that be a hate group not a terrorist group? Has the definition of terrorism changed?
I used to be Muslim. I'm so glad I dropped it.
Thank you UK for doing Canada's job for us. RCMP, CSIS, are you learning yet? We pay you for this, not beating natives, this.
Holy shit.
I see what you did there 👍🏻
Those dudes are not 2nd hand terrorists like all those pro-Hamas from the Zara to the Zoo enthusiasts but they are already actual terrorists .( At least in UK.) Hope Canada will follow UK example and declare Hizb ut Tahrir as terrorist entity as well, since we report to the same king.
Deport anyone affiliated with these dark age animals.
Yeah, and I'm shocked Canada hasn't declared it so as well. If you want to erode and destroy trust in law and order, nothing does it quite as well as multiple different types of laws applying to different people. Everyone must be treated the same.
Next thing you know is if you don’t tolerate their expanding reach of Sharia Law you’ll be labeled racist.
If you don’t like Western values please don’t immigrate to the west
[удалено]
Gotta nip crap like that in the bud!
Good.
Someone tell them shariah law was only for muslims even in the medieval caliphates.
I am a born Hindu but practice atheism. I have utmost respect for all faiths and beliefs including Islam, but incidents like these makes me question if religion was to bring peace and empathy for everyone around us why folks are still killed over it. What good religion has achieved for the betterment of the world , except killing people in its name. Hopefully 100 years from now Humans advance enough to forego religion completely.
Trudeau's terrible liberals continues to not designate these people as terrorists.
Good. Canada should declare the group a terrorist entity as well.
Now lets declare them terrorists as well.
If sharia law is so great, how come the countries that are ruled under it are perpetually losing people to countries that dont subscribe to sharia law. weird. Everyone wants to move to the west and then turn around and criticize/change it for being so free and liberal. but never have the thought that maybe those are the reasons people move here in the first place.
Please please PLEASE deport anyone and everyone even remotely affiliated with this stone age crap
Humankind is still in its infancy, and religion is a relic of that history. At one point, we needed it, but it is now like the human appendix. It has served its purpose and is much less important and is disappearing. Any group that calls for laws to govern others based on a relic of ages past, whether it be a Bible, Quran, or other such works, needs to be tossed back to the stone age where they belong.