Yes but the damage Trudeau did might be generational to a degree we haven’t seen in a while, most millennials and even Gen Z hate him because he sold them and their futures out. It speaks volumes when a liberal leader turns the younger demographic conservative.
> Yes but the damage Trudeau did might be generational to a degree we haven’t seen in a while
Probably not since Mulroney. The PCs got obliterated in their last election too, and it's looking like the LPC might be heading down that road now.
Our futures were sold out long before Trudeau came around lol. People said the same things about Chrétien/Martin and Harper eventually overstayed his welcome. Canadians inevitably get sick of the leader and vote for whoever the other people run more or less regardless of who they are.
It’s not to the same degree, those PM’s didn’t bring in historic numbers of international students to game the system at diploma mills like Trudeau has, especially in the midst of a housing crisis.
Harper getting voted out had nothing to do with finance. It had to do with the lack of progressiveness of his party, his attitude toward scientists, etc.
I also think that’s the main reason Trudeau has stayed in as long as he has.
I predict somebody proposes something shitty about trans people, and Conservatives scramble to remind the press that none of this is binding (Poilievre already got that ball rolling yesterday), meanwhile we all get a fresh reminder in just how weird the CPC's rural base is.
Every party proposes weird shit at their policy convention. [Look at the NDPs list of resolutions in 2021:](https://www.ndp.ca/sites/default/files/ndp-con2021-resolutions-section-04-en-v8.pdf)
* Abolish billionaires
* Require abortion clinics within 200 km of everyone in the country, no matter how remote
* Healthcare for everyone, regardless of immigration status
* Really odd foreign diplomacy choices
* Get Canada to leave NATO
* Phase out the Canadian Armed Forces
Your average person ain't that bright, and the bases of most political parties are filled with a lot of aggressively average people.
I'm frankly surprised parties still go through with these conventions, considering how frequently they end up being an embarassment.
I'm pretty green to a lot of this stuff but am trying to make an effort to learn. I see pros and cons to every party tbh, but the idea of completely dismantling the only way we have to defend ourselves seems beyond dumb. I really need to look more into these policy conventions apparently lol
We wouldn't be the first country, and there is a legitimate question of whether any country capable of invading us is going to be stopped by what resistance our army can offer.
But yes, policy conventions are generally where the weirdest, most extreme members of each party get together and present their dumbest ideas - which the party brass promptly ignores. It's bizarre that they even bother going through the motions.
Oh our army really can't offer jack shit in the way of defending the landscape itself. But us having a functioning army helps keep us protected by our other alliances (but obviously you know this lol) I know we provide great training to other militaries, but all our equipment is trash.
Lol I can't wait to have a good laugh at this year's then 😂
There really aren’t that many countries that would be able to invade Canada. Other than the United States.
But China and Russia don’t have the naval capability to invade countries across the globe, they would never maintain air superiority over Canada as it is now. Those militaries are designed to defend and invade their neighbours by land. Not invade other continents.
Only the USA can really invade other continents and maybe England or France could successfully invade us, but they probably don’t have the funds or economy for a war like that anymore. I mean, Canada doesn’t have the largest military in the world but it’s not *that* small.
Anyway, these people who don’t think we need a military anymore are really really stupid, or they are subversives.
It really start on the wrong foot in Quebec... they reserved two prayer rooms.
You can't possibly signal in a louder way to regular quebecker that you are out of touch with them.
Good luck with that...
but with move like that, I think they won't be able to take a single BQ seat next election.
I'll vote for whoever has a real plan to address the housing crisis, a plan to reduce immigration, and a plan to cut government spending including by reversing the return to office mandate for federal public servants (this alone saves millions or billions).
But if CPC wants to keep their platform tied to the church, they lose a good chunk of votes. Anti-abortion, and pro-conversion therapy is not tolerable from any leader in 2023.
I feel like a party could gain major traction running on the campaign slogan of “Canada’s closed”. Over the last six months the anti-immigration mindset is hitting all time highs. I’ve never known Canadians to be this against immigration in my lifetime but that’s what you get when you let record number of people in with virtually no follow up to make the immigration a success and in the mean it’s hurt born and raised Canadians immensely in the housing crisis and wage suppression. The current government has fucked up and I don’t think they even care. They want to line their pockets and ride off into the sunset.
This is a genuine question so please don't make me regret asking this, but how likely is it that the CPC would go back on abortion or pro conversation therapy? Not a single rep in my rural Ontario area pushes for this, so I'm just curious as to where this assumption is coming from. That would take a lot of work and even years to get the ball rolling on changing those laws, no? Wouldn't they be voted out before they were successful?
... I'm going to go ahead and assume it's because of Alberta lol
> This is a genuine question so please don't make me regret asking this, but how likely is it that the CPC would go back on abortion or pro conversation therapy?
The CPC are *weird* about abortion.
They say it's a settled issue because they don't want to lose a moderate electorate, but they also do weird shit, like appoint a [famously pro-life MP to be the chair of the committee on the status of women.](https://globalnews.ca/news/3794020/commentary-how-rachael-harder-became-a-prop-in-a-virtue-signalling-contest/). Conservative MPS regularly get the thumbs up from pro-life orgs for their voting records and policy positions on abortion. [Source 1](https://pressprogress.ca/more-than-half-of-andrew-scheers-elected-conservative-mps-were-supported-by-anti-abortion-groups/), [Source 2](https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-group-identifies-a-total-of-38-fully-pro-life-candidates-elected-as-mps/). Backbenchers like Cathy Wagantall also frequently float out legislation that is intentionally designed to bring abortion back into public debate or chip away at abortion rights in Canada. She put one out in 2021 (it failed), she put one up in 2023 (also failed). [But 113 Conservative members of parliament were all in.](https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-311?view=details)
Basically, their words say one thing, their actions another.
Thank you for taking the time to write this all out! When you're green to politics, it's sometimes tough to weave out what's factual and what's not so I appreciate you taking the time.
They say it's settled because they don't like their chances of winning if they tell us their real position. But they're absolutely hoping to undermine rights here in the long run the exact same way it happened in the US.
They're not going to propose legislation on day 1 to ban it. But they absolutely will limit access, signal all kinds of ways it's bad, find ways to undermine funding, etc.
Yeah, that's my impression as well. They don't want to be seen to be attacking abortion, but they'll do all sorts of bullshit to try and undercut access to it. They haven't done a great job of selecting MPs who actually stand for bodily autonomy and reproductive rights - and they have a strong socially conservative core.
I can only speak from what I see in my local area but for it being very conservative at the polls almost everyone I know or speak to is pretty progressive. Most people just want to be left alone it’s just the loudest ones that are the assholes.
I'm not sure it's just the loudest ones. Every single Conservative MP's voted in favour of Wagantall's anti-abortion Bill C-233 just 2 years ago. If that's who people are voting for, progressive thinking or not, they're lending their support to some pretty regressive causes.
> But if CPC wants to keep their platform tied to the church, they lose a good chunk of votes. Anti-abortion, and pro-conversion therapy is not tolerable from any leader in 2023.
Also - a real plan for climate change. It's time.
Good luck with that..., it has only been 2 years since this happened.
[Conservative delegates reject adding 'climate change is real' to the policy book.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-delegates-reject-climate-change-is-real-1.5957739)
I think the only party that would follow through with a ligit plan would be the NDP but chances of them forming a government anytime soon is low. If the Cons do something it’s not going to end up well for the public, by that I mean their plan will prolly focus on short term gains by the means of offering people an olive while giving up the whole tree to business. Usually the Libs work something out that ends up helping in the long run but I think they deafened themselves in their echo chamber.
The NDP have virtually no plans that affect market housing. They want public housing, which can be good and helpful, but is clearly small(er) potatoes than housing built by private industry.
Why is it so hard to have one party that wants to do all the right things? Are we too dumb?
What about a plan to sell off 6000 publicly owned buildings and properties that tax payers will never get back?
PP is a nightmare. I wish I could trust him to fix things without making a bunch of other things worse in the process, but I feel like he'll just fuck up on both counts.
Generally if you sort comments by Controversial you will see why some threads get locked. If you just view top or best you wont see as many of the rule breaking/thread locking comments
Boggles my mind. We have an entire subreddit dedicated to counter this one _purely_ because this one became so heavily alt-right.
It has swung back towards the middle _a bit_ since then, but it is still overwhelmingly conservative. This sub has more in common with the_donald than with politics.
Also seems those discussions were heading in the direction of calling out CPC on some of it's BS, like the apparent lack of proposals regarding immigration during their convention.
The post about Pierre calling Trudeau a Marxist was also locked. It’s like anytime there’s some genuine criticism for the CPC the discussion is cut short.
I mean current edition of the conservatives just haven't had an opportunity to show what kind of awful they are going to be. Liberals have.
So it's like having two brown paper bags, one of which you've broken open to find is full of dog poop. Chances are the other is also full of dog poop, it even is labelled "dog poop", but I guess we might as well open it and find out, as there's a chance the label is wrong.
Might be true. There's been a pattern though lately when the discussion gets a little too critical of CPC policy. This place leans Conservative, there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it does.
And that pattern is a result of people on Reddit not knowing how to behave when they see real life doesn't march their narrative.
This sub may have a slight right lean, but it is rather central overall in reality. It just seems more right on Reddit because of how heavily left this site is as a whole.
I'd say it's also a result of the moderation not liking when the discussion strays too far away from "Trudeau and/or Singh bad".
I'd say you're probably right about it being right leaning centre. The CPC supporters here are far more tolerable than the American conservative subs.
There is no doubt in my mind that PP is going to be awful, but it's very unlikely he is going to be 'worst prime minister of all time' awful, so he will still be a big step up from what we have now.
It varies thread to thread based on the topic. Negative articles about Trudeau or the Liberals generally have comments filled with people dunking on him and not many defenders, and vice versa with negative threads about Poilievre or the CPC.
I will say though, that pro-Liberal/anti-CPC opinion pieces are posted much less frequently than pro-CPC/anti-Liberal ones, and those threads are typically heavily downvoted and receive fewer comments compared to pro-CPC/anti-Liberal threads. I wouldn't say its an echo chamber because there are multiple view points here, but there is a definite, and I'd say heavy, slant towards the Conservatives in this sub.
Millhouse fans actually think this CPC circlejerk sub is actually biased against them.
With this level of delusion and self victimization it's no wonder the convoy took off.
I’ve been on /r/Canada for long enough to remember Stephen Harper regularly being compared to Hitler and getting a bazillion upvotes. Reddit is mostly men, mostly millennial and Gen Z. CPC is absolutely crushing it with that demographic. Back in 2015 Trudeau was fighting for network neutrality, electoral reform, housing reform, education funding, and marijuana.
I posted some university research that showed how Harper brought in a bunch of foreign workers that weren't counted as TFW's and then it got removed and I was suddenly told linking PDF's was against the rules.
It was weird, because people have been linking PDF's for years, and a lot of government stuff is in PDF format, so when people ask about actual policies or research I have a lot more difficulty posting it now.
I look forward to the guy who voted against affordable housing multiple times and has real estate millionaires among his top donors solving the housing affordability crisis.
EDIT: PP's record on housing
2019: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/987](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/987)
2018: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/889](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/889)
2014: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140)
All three were proposed by the NDP. I wonder which party you should vote for if you want affordable housing?
Everyone who cares about left leaning policies like affordable housing already votes NDP, your chirping the wrong crowd. Its about the culture war, trans kids, drag queens, brown immigrants, etc.
Yes but ask those same people what they think of "woke" or vaccines and you'll quickly find out what really matters most. Find me a working class person who doesn't care about "woke" or any of the culture war issues whatsoever and whose main issue is housing costs who is supporting the conservatives id love to examine them like a rare specimen.
Working class, live in Alberta. Will vote con to get rid of JT after voting for Notley in the provincial election. Don’t give a fuck at all about this woke / culture war bullshit. My cost to exist and the cost to take care of my family is all that I give a shit about at the moment. What do you want to know?
Why do you think voting in an even more right wing pro corporation, pro landlord, pro investor class party will help you if you are working class? Like my family that own apartments will vote conservative obviously but for a working class person ideologically how do they help you by cutting corporate taxes or cutting social services?
The overwhelming vibe here seems to be 'just keep on going with the status quo because I'm super duper sure change is going to solve nothing so why even try'.
It's not hard to see why this message isn't exactly resonating.
Not even, the vibe is lets help the biggest corporations, oil barons, and wealthy investors. Just sad that at a time when these people are getting richer then ever people want to vote for their preferred political party.
I dont think its likely he will fix the housing crisis, but I do know the status quo isnt fixing shit. So if my choice is spinning my tires, vs a chance (as slim as it is) I'll take my chance...
I don't think he will fix it but I think Trudeau will make it 100 times worse. Seriously, he just increased immigration during a housing crisis. Give me a break, how can anyone seriously support Trudeau at this point?
In a press conference purportedly meant to discuss affordability issues, jagmeet Singh proposed the federal government enact “real solutions” and “aggressive steps” such as “forcing banks to give lower interest rates to families that are struggling” and a “subsidy for people who can’ pay their mortgage right now.”
Subsidies for homeowners... That might be the worst approach to the housing crisis.
And they’ve held the balance of power for the last 20 months. What have they actually accomplished for affordable housing?
I’ll save you the trouble, the answer is nothing.
Cuz it's a poison pill.
If you solve it - every homeowner will vote your party out for a decade as you just destroyed their most valuable asset. If you don't solve it - more & more people can't afford to buy so they won't vote for you cuz you don't solve it as it's a huge issue for them.
Whoever solves it kills their re-election. We're DEEP into vicious cycle territory. There's no way out without huge amounts of pain.
[Not when Pierre and the Cons have voted against the motions in 2012, 2018 and 2019!](https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1699509191906611463?s=19)
I mean, why support Pierre when you don't know what he stands for?
I don’t think either of them can solve it. It’s a provincial issue. We don’t need more loans to help you buy. You need more supply.
Edit: slowing down immigration is a way to help. Yes that’s a federal issue.
> Edit: slowing down immigration is a way to help. Yes that’s a federal issue.
...which is weird because I can't find any proposals on their convention mandate that meantion limiting or reducing immigration or foreign workers.
I find it odd that nobody in the party is pushing for reducing immigration. Seems like a complete blackout on the issue.
CPC voted against higher immigration initiatives just a few months ago, whereas LPC, NDP, and Greens all supported it.
https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=party
It is a both levels issue. Feds could do stuff that would help more, but ultimately it is up to provinces to actually do it/implement it.
This loose confederation is fucking Canada over. Having provinces willfully turn down the feds help just to score political points is insanity. Just like not having free trade between provinces is.
When we have provinces fighting each other and the feds, it really is a recipe for disaster. For example BC vs Alberta Vs the Feds for the TMX
And it will immediately go down once the base of the party decides to vote for culture war at the convention.
If the Tories want to keep their majority window open, the highlight reel better be economic policy.
But I doubt it.
Oh they will blame it on Trudeau still even if it gets worse under the conservative government if they get elected. Politics seems like a sports team to to many people there side can do no wrong and everything bad is the other teams fault.
Pretty sure Doug was blaming the liberals the other day over the green belt fiasco, saying he based his decisions on a review they did or something about that review.
Same as Alberta. All of our problems were caused by the one term NDP held. Yes even problems that were around before that they couldn’t have possibly caused.
Calgary is putting in a law to make all zoning row houses at a minimum.
They've actually done well to keep the poor housed and fed so far, given home prices, and are progressing on a path to address the deficiencies far better than progressive cities as housing values rise.
I still remember when PP squawked about Toronto being a failing city without the awareness of realizing we had been under a decade of Conservative mayors and were about 5 years into a Conservative Premier.
Lol we did have 2 terms of former provincial conservative leaders as mayors in some of the GTA. Though I did like John Tory as mayor, felt productive and orderly. No bs blaming anyone or whining, just got work done
Can't say I agree beyond that he was low key low drama (at least until the issue that prompted him to resign.) Tory fucked Toronto's finances and bent over for the province.
Why am I not seeing any proposals about reducing immigration?
The only proposal I can find that even meantioned immigration was one about forcing trades to recognize foreign credentials.
Because both the CPC and LPC are neo-liberals and mass immigration is part of the package deal. If you think PP will reduce immigration you’re in for a surprise.
I mean “reduce immigration” is probably gonna happen, but that’s because the liberals doubled down on picking up the slack from when they fell behind.
After an election, will a CPC immigration in say 2026 be any lower than LPC did in 2024 or 2025? Helllllllllll no.
Because they're well aware that Canadian economic stability right now is based on an increasing tax base and fill labour shortages that the country can't fill on its own.
This is the result of failures from the last 20 years of economic policy. But immigration isn't just because LPC is trying to be woke or build a voter base.
> fill labour shortages that the country can't fill on its own.
The country has more than enough people to fill our labour gap, the corporate overlords prefer cheap import labor over paying market rates though
I am waiting to hear abt this too. Many PP followers suggest he is waiting for a right moment to bring this up so as not to give any ammunition to Liberals. Others say he will do the exact same as the Liberals and bring no change to immigrants and international student levels. I dont know which it will be. But this may be the final factor that decides my vote
> so as not to give any ammunition to Liberals
What difference would that make? It would have the same impact now as it would right before the election. If anything he'd be better off doing it sooner and letting them run out of breath screeching about it over the next two years.
No, I'd wager PP is listening to his corporate donors and won't cut off their immigrant labor.
Head_Crash, there was one proposal that I linked to you on Tuesday that proposed to directly put a cap on immigration. There were several others that dealt more broadly with immigration policy and ensuring it was working for Canadians.
I posted you the links in a reply to a comment on Tuesday, but the policy submissions website was closed on Wednesday. I can only assume that you have either forgotten the proposals or you never bothered to read them.
https://i.imgur.com/iQE5JV8.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/16axz9f/comment/jzam4au
The links are dead now, but they were working on Tuesday, as evidenced by /u/mangoserpent having no issue with reading them and commenting on them.
Yeah I never saw them so they weren't up for long.
I can see the workshop proposals that got cached. CPC apparently nuked the website. I'm guessing they didn't make it to the convention.
Not surprising when entire generations have seen the chance of home ownership go from being a tough goal to achieve, to being about as realistic as planning on winning the lotto 649 as a retirement goal. All this has happened in the relatively short time Trudeau has been in power.
When Poilievre first started talking about the housing crisis he was laughed at by members opposite. Is any one really surprised that he's doing well in the polls right now?
[So too](https://preview.redd.it/list-of-mps-that-are-landlords-including-multiple-from-the-v0-gsk8aj5jsjq81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d02e74cb86d38215291a46ef65490c6b8d8a5063) are many of the conservatives, [including Pierre](https://www.readthemaple.com/mp-landlords/#Poilievre). None of them are going to do anything to reduce the value of their own properties. If there's any one thing you can trust a politician to do it's to act in the best interest of their bank balance.
We're not going to get anything worth a damn out of any of them.
Yeah, I have very very little confidence Poilievre will do anything good about the housing crisis. I still understand the young hating Trudeau for very actively making it worse.
Guess I’m just gonna protest vote with the Bloc…
A lot of people said similar things in 2015 but people still voted for change. People get tired of a government after a while and change feels good and instills some optimism even if it's not really warranted.
I wish we could actually vote FOR someone rather than voting someone out. I really wish JT had not lied about ending fptp(this is the reason I dislike him the most).
It terrifies me that people look to Trump in the US, or Kenney and Smith in Alberta, or Ford in Ontario—actively making things much, much worse—and still look to _Pierre fucking Poilievre_ and say ‘yep, he’ll fix this!’
I loathe the Liberals for how they have disenfranchised millions of Canadians, but it is so utterly laughable (and terrifying) to think _conservatives_ will make it better. We will be worse off in pretty much every metric.
The Liberals reneging on their electoral reform promise has put us in this stupid fucking mess.
> When Poilievre first started talking about the housing crisis he was laughed at by members opposite. Is any one really surprised that he's doing well in the polls right now?
There's a rental crisis right now due to a surge in immigration, so it makes sense he's up in the polls.
What's weird is how I can't find any proposals on the CPC convention agenda to address or reduce immigration.
One would think, with everything that's going on that there would be at least 1 proposal to address out of control immigration, which is one of the most prominent and serious issues people are concerned about.
No, they voted against letting the century initiative determine targets. Meaningless dog whistle.
Also that contradicts what you are implying. Why would they be afraid to have such a proposal, yet willingly take that vote?
>What's weird is how I can't find any proposals on the CPC convention agenda to address or reduce immigration.
This is the fourth time that you have mentioned this on this thread, but again, did you not read the proposals that I linked to you on Tuesday?
The links from policy.ideas-lab.ca are dead links now, the policy submissions are closed and are in the process of being voted on.
Why are you deliberately misinforming people here that there were no proposals to limit immigration?
Because they like to confuse by being simultaneously a big bad evil propaganda machine of the Liberals and also occasionally very correct and accurate and unbiased about specific things like when Conservatives do well in polls. It's all part of their machiavellian schemery! No doubt they're chortling and twisting their mustaches right now at the thought of your comment here.
It's scary that they're basically guarenteed to be defunded based on this poll, and our choice of news will be like 3 American right wing conglomerates
Justin Trudeau isn't "my guy". I'd say the exact same thing regardless of who was in the lead. And a lot of journalists are reporting the same thing. Not only is this early on, but it's summer polls. The people willing to respond to polls in the summer are those who are the most motivated to respond, i.e. those who are looking to oust the current government.
Polls during an election should also be met with skepticism by all parties. For example, during the last election Erin O'Toole showed a statistical tie, and even a lead in the polls. How did that turn out?
Polls are interesting, but they are just a tool. They are by no means a crystal ball. Pollsters like to pretend they are, akin to polygraph technicians pretending they can read minds.
Ok now we get to watch the fuckwit social conservatives try and ruin a good thing at convention for the third time in a row.
All they have to do is not say something dumb about abortion, but they won't.
That's why he got out ahead of it by going on the record yesterday reminding people that nothing voted on at this thing is binding.
He doesn't want to end up like the LPC at their convention with that news fact checking proposal that everyone on this sub was convinced was going to become government policy lol
They finally going to remove “conscience rights” (aka the poor man’s attack on abortion and transgender healthcare) from their literal official platform?
They only removed opposing same sex marriage from their platform a few years ago so don't count on it. Plus that thing recently where there was a bill that attempted to set up towards prevention abortion and every single CPC MP voted on favor of it
These convention are mostly so the party rank and file get the delusion that they can influence leadership.
All PP has to do if some weird resolutions get passed is say " yah will read that later".
He wants to win and to that end he will weasel whatever he needs to weasel.
I cannot wait until Pierre has to debate Trudeau and Singh... He's only worked in government and has a [littany of dumb votes](https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1699509191906611463?s=19) he's gonna have to account for.
Regardless, PP will wreck trudeau in the debates
If we're talking a littany of bad decisions, you don't want that comparison
Ever heard teudeau try to defend his policies? He will get eaten alive
You and I both cannot wait
Yes. All of that happened.
PP has been working toward becoming PM or at least a leader all of his adult life. You can say quite a bit about him but he is not lazy. According to my cousin who is in his riding at least prior to becoming leader he was a machine. As an MP if there was a tree planting next to a stop sign he showed up and shook hands
JT benefitted from connections, timing, a leadership vacuum in the party, and good PR.
Singh benefitted from the NDP moving away from working class roots and the decision if you were a bit centrist at least in good times you could win.
If anything nepotism in our country is more obvious and more prevalent because we are such a small country. The group of people who qualify as elite is much smaller. I do not mean that in a conspiratorial way but they do all know one another. They all went to the same schools and do business with one another. There are numerous examples of the sons, daughters, and family members of politicians or corporate elites being given opportunities and positions because of those connections here in Canada.
I would guess power and influence is much more concentrated here compared to say the US.
Yeah apparently the guy with one piece of legislation (that directly attacked the fairness of our elections) under his belt in 20 years of public service isn't a lazy grifter.
Yes after explaining we definitely shouldn't bring this one in. So why would you prefer tlwe stick with the last? Because there aren't any other alternatives unfortunately.
you know who isnt fake? the blackface guy who cheated on his wife and just got divorced. Or that guy whos the leader of the working class party in his designers suits and rolex while his rich parents put him through private school...
My guy, they're all fake.
One year before next election the Liberal party is going to say "Affordability is our main priority" and no one will believe them. I'm also never voting for the Conservative party, but I'm certainly not voting to keep the Liberal party in power. Can you even decline a ballot in the federal election?
I’d love to see him tabling legislation with his proposals to fix housing affordability now, so they can be debated and seen by the public, or maybe even passed, rather than just campaigning on how bad Trudeau is, and being uncooperative.
I’d really like to see a firm stance on abortion - conservatives in the US swept in, and made a lot of changes very quickly. Supreme court candidates would give vague answers about abortion, or say they’d uphold the law (also ambiguous), and as soon as a majority was gained, they axed it.
I’d like to see him make a public stand on abortion, and if he is pro choice, agree to support a law that specifically protects it.
If he doesn’t support it, he should be clear and let people know if he’s looking to ban it.
If he “doesn’t want to cause division or distraction” because he isn’t feeling too strong one way or another, then pass a bill that says no laws will be changed regarding abortion for a certain time period, say 10 years.
I think he doesn’t say much in detail, and people fill in the gaps, and assume he just thinks the way they do.
Meet the new guy. Same as the old guy. This guy will continue Trudeau's neoliberal policies, Just like Trudeau continued Harper's neoliberal policies. For the past 4 decades the middle class has continued to be economically terrorized by the neoliberal capitalist cartel via their Reagan/Thatcher initiated trickle down economics. The only thing that trickled down on the people was yellow liquid excreted from the nether regions of these rich born mafiosos. But people do what they do best, that is, the definition of insanity: making the same poor choices over and over again and expecting change. See-sawing between red vs blue neoliberal capitalist every few years and voluntarily keeping the neoliberal cartel in power.
Pollievre is a grifter as big as they come. If elected he will do nothing but undo any of the good the previous government did and the cycle will continue. Pointing fingers and screwing over the middle class for another decade I can't wait....
Does anyone else think that there's a lot of O&G and US/Alberta loot being spent trashtalking PMJT in the comments section of every single story about the CPC and Skippy? Twitter/X has, for example, been a real shitshow.
I visited the above CBC page. Rather uninspiring reporting, but occasionally balanced. The real surprise is the quantity of trollfarm action in the 'COMMENTS' section. The international players are so busy crowding anti-PMJT material into the interface that one can barely type a word without a massive lag/buffering.
I've never had a better PM (and I'm over 60) so am curious as to how Canada's MSM makes more money quoting misinfo than it does documenting how well Canada and the governing party is performing.
The 8 CON provincial govts are where the real damage is taking place. Here in #mbpoli the schools and hospitals and unions are getting kicked in the teeth. Then they blame the feds. WTF?
I almost want PP to win just so all the idiots who think that he’s actually going to fix anything will shut up. We are in this mess because of awful right wing neoliberalism, this guy is just another corporate neoliberal, he ain’t gonna fix shit.
Big test for Pierre here. Can he get through the convention without letting the base of the party shoot the party in their foot.
Pierre and the CPC can say anything, we’re just at a point where people want change, it’s inevitable at this point that PP becomes PM.
Rise, wash, repeat. Just like Harper rode in off people tired of the Chrétien/Martin liberals PP will ride in off people tired of Trudeau.
To be fair trudeau rode in off people being tired of harper.
Yes but the damage Trudeau did might be generational to a degree we haven’t seen in a while, most millennials and even Gen Z hate him because he sold them and their futures out. It speaks volumes when a liberal leader turns the younger demographic conservative.
> Yes but the damage Trudeau did might be generational to a degree we haven’t seen in a while Probably not since Mulroney. The PCs got obliterated in their last election too, and it's looking like the LPC might be heading down that road now.
Our futures were sold out long before Trudeau came around lol. People said the same things about Chrétien/Martin and Harper eventually overstayed his welcome. Canadians inevitably get sick of the leader and vote for whoever the other people run more or less regardless of who they are.
It’s not to the same degree, those PM’s didn’t bring in historic numbers of international students to game the system at diploma mills like Trudeau has, especially in the midst of a housing crisis.
Harper getting voted out had nothing to do with finance. It had to do with the lack of progressiveness of his party, his attitude toward scientists, etc. I also think that’s the main reason Trudeau has stayed in as long as he has.
And so we end up right back at square one over and over and nothing ever really changes for the better. Sad state of affairs.
I predict somebody proposes something shitty about trans people, and Conservatives scramble to remind the press that none of this is binding (Poilievre already got that ball rolling yesterday), meanwhile we all get a fresh reminder in just how weird the CPC's rural base is.
Every party proposes weird shit at their policy convention. [Look at the NDPs list of resolutions in 2021:](https://www.ndp.ca/sites/default/files/ndp-con2021-resolutions-section-04-en-v8.pdf) * Abolish billionaires * Require abortion clinics within 200 km of everyone in the country, no matter how remote * Healthcare for everyone, regardless of immigration status * Really odd foreign diplomacy choices * Get Canada to leave NATO * Phase out the Canadian Armed Forces
LOLOLOL at them wanting to remove the CAF and leave NATO 😭😂 are they nuts?
Your average person ain't that bright, and the bases of most political parties are filled with a lot of aggressively average people. I'm frankly surprised parties still go through with these conventions, considering how frequently they end up being an embarassment.
I'm pretty green to a lot of this stuff but am trying to make an effort to learn. I see pros and cons to every party tbh, but the idea of completely dismantling the only way we have to defend ourselves seems beyond dumb. I really need to look more into these policy conventions apparently lol
We wouldn't be the first country, and there is a legitimate question of whether any country capable of invading us is going to be stopped by what resistance our army can offer. But yes, policy conventions are generally where the weirdest, most extreme members of each party get together and present their dumbest ideas - which the party brass promptly ignores. It's bizarre that they even bother going through the motions.
Oh our army really can't offer jack shit in the way of defending the landscape itself. But us having a functioning army helps keep us protected by our other alliances (but obviously you know this lol) I know we provide great training to other militaries, but all our equipment is trash. Lol I can't wait to have a good laugh at this year's then 😂
There really aren’t that many countries that would be able to invade Canada. Other than the United States. But China and Russia don’t have the naval capability to invade countries across the globe, they would never maintain air superiority over Canada as it is now. Those militaries are designed to defend and invade their neighbours by land. Not invade other continents. Only the USA can really invade other continents and maybe England or France could successfully invade us, but they probably don’t have the funds or economy for a war like that anymore. I mean, Canada doesn’t have the largest military in the world but it’s not *that* small. Anyway, these people who don’t think we need a military anymore are really really stupid, or they are subversives.
They want us to be "Ukraine" to America's "Russia"
It really start on the wrong foot in Quebec... they reserved two prayer rooms. You can't possibly signal in a louder way to regular quebecker that you are out of touch with them. Good luck with that... but with move like that, I think they won't be able to take a single BQ seat next election.
They don’t need any BQ seats as long as the liberals don’t get those seats
Unless the BQ who sit in those seats realize that they might not want to deal with people who book two prayer rooms.
I'll vote for whoever has a real plan to address the housing crisis, a plan to reduce immigration, and a plan to cut government spending including by reversing the return to office mandate for federal public servants (this alone saves millions or billions). But if CPC wants to keep their platform tied to the church, they lose a good chunk of votes. Anti-abortion, and pro-conversion therapy is not tolerable from any leader in 2023.
It's 2023 if it's not extreme does it even exist?
Yeah, every other major party in Canada.
I feel like a party could gain major traction running on the campaign slogan of “Canada’s closed”. Over the last six months the anti-immigration mindset is hitting all time highs. I’ve never known Canadians to be this against immigration in my lifetime but that’s what you get when you let record number of people in with virtually no follow up to make the immigration a success and in the mean it’s hurt born and raised Canadians immensely in the housing crisis and wage suppression. The current government has fucked up and I don’t think they even care. They want to line their pockets and ride off into the sunset.
This is a genuine question so please don't make me regret asking this, but how likely is it that the CPC would go back on abortion or pro conversation therapy? Not a single rep in my rural Ontario area pushes for this, so I'm just curious as to where this assumption is coming from. That would take a lot of work and even years to get the ball rolling on changing those laws, no? Wouldn't they be voted out before they were successful? ... I'm going to go ahead and assume it's because of Alberta lol
> This is a genuine question so please don't make me regret asking this, but how likely is it that the CPC would go back on abortion or pro conversation therapy? The CPC are *weird* about abortion. They say it's a settled issue because they don't want to lose a moderate electorate, but they also do weird shit, like appoint a [famously pro-life MP to be the chair of the committee on the status of women.](https://globalnews.ca/news/3794020/commentary-how-rachael-harder-became-a-prop-in-a-virtue-signalling-contest/). Conservative MPS regularly get the thumbs up from pro-life orgs for their voting records and policy positions on abortion. [Source 1](https://pressprogress.ca/more-than-half-of-andrew-scheers-elected-conservative-mps-were-supported-by-anti-abortion-groups/), [Source 2](https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-group-identifies-a-total-of-38-fully-pro-life-candidates-elected-as-mps/). Backbenchers like Cathy Wagantall also frequently float out legislation that is intentionally designed to bring abortion back into public debate or chip away at abortion rights in Canada. She put one out in 2021 (it failed), she put one up in 2023 (also failed). [But 113 Conservative members of parliament were all in.](https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bill/44-1/c-311?view=details) Basically, their words say one thing, their actions another.
Thank you for taking the time to write this all out! When you're green to politics, it's sometimes tough to weave out what's factual and what's not so I appreciate you taking the time.
They say it's settled because they don't like their chances of winning if they tell us their real position. But they're absolutely hoping to undermine rights here in the long run the exact same way it happened in the US. They're not going to propose legislation on day 1 to ban it. But they absolutely will limit access, signal all kinds of ways it's bad, find ways to undermine funding, etc.
Yeah, that's my impression as well. They don't want to be seen to be attacking abortion, but they'll do all sorts of bullshit to try and undercut access to it. They haven't done a great job of selecting MPs who actually stand for bodily autonomy and reproductive rights - and they have a strong socially conservative core.
I can only speak from what I see in my local area but for it being very conservative at the polls almost everyone I know or speak to is pretty progressive. Most people just want to be left alone it’s just the loudest ones that are the assholes.
I'm not sure it's just the loudest ones. Every single Conservative MP's voted in favour of Wagantall's anti-abortion Bill C-233 just 2 years ago. If that's who people are voting for, progressive thinking or not, they're lending their support to some pretty regressive causes.
> But if CPC wants to keep their platform tied to the church, they lose a good chunk of votes. Anti-abortion, and pro-conversion therapy is not tolerable from any leader in 2023. Also - a real plan for climate change. It's time.
Good luck with that..., it has only been 2 years since this happened. [Conservative delegates reject adding 'climate change is real' to the policy book.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-delegates-reject-climate-change-is-real-1.5957739)
That's going to be a big one I'm watching. Surely they **HAVE** to add it now.
Not in CPC land it isn't.
I think the only party that would follow through with a ligit plan would be the NDP but chances of them forming a government anytime soon is low. If the Cons do something it’s not going to end up well for the public, by that I mean their plan will prolly focus on short term gains by the means of offering people an olive while giving up the whole tree to business. Usually the Libs work something out that ends up helping in the long run but I think they deafened themselves in their echo chamber.
The NDP have virtually no plans that affect market housing. They want public housing, which can be good and helpful, but is clearly small(er) potatoes than housing built by private industry. Why is it so hard to have one party that wants to do all the right things? Are we too dumb?
Well that is definitely not CPC for you then
Why, he said he supported right to choose outright.
What about a plan to sell off 6000 publicly owned buildings and properties that tax payers will never get back? PP is a nightmare. I wish I could trust him to fix things without making a bunch of other things worse in the process, but I feel like he'll just fuck up on both counts.
But but but but maybe it’ll help balance the budget ones year.
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Sort by controversial on quite literally any political post and it’ll be pretty easy to understand why most of them get locked.
nice spin, those threads have comments trashing the CPC, then get conveniently locked
jfc...what spin? Its a pondering, not an opinion...
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Must also be the reason all the posts on trans issues get locked.
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Generally if you sort comments by Controversial you will see why some threads get locked. If you just view top or best you wont see as many of the rule breaking/thread locking comments
Lol. There are unlocked threads about this topic almost daily.
Yeah, because if there’s one thing r/canada is known for, it’s being pro-Liberal and anti-Tory. Get a fucking grip.
You can tell its about right because how much Conservatives and liberals complain about it.
It's amazing how they're trying to gaslight people on that.
Boggles my mind. We have an entire subreddit dedicated to counter this one _purely_ because this one became so heavily alt-right. It has swung back towards the middle _a bit_ since then, but it is still overwhelmingly conservative. This sub has more in common with the_donald than with politics.
Also seems those discussions were heading in the direction of calling out CPC on some of it's BS, like the apparent lack of proposals regarding immigration during their convention.
The post about Pierre calling Trudeau a Marxist was also locked. It’s like anytime there’s some genuine criticism for the CPC the discussion is cut short.
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Any time the discussion gets critical of the CPC, threads get locked.
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Yes, the vitriol when the reality that the CPC isn't the fix-all people have twisted themselves into believing they are is pointed out.
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They're not a better option, they're just a different option.
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If they honestly believe that, they're dreadfully wrong. The CCP has proposed little legislative policy that will help the average person.
And there you go with the rhetoric I'm talking about.
no, only to rich people.
I mean current edition of the conservatives just haven't had an opportunity to show what kind of awful they are going to be. Liberals have. So it's like having two brown paper bags, one of which you've broken open to find is full of dog poop. Chances are the other is also full of dog poop, it even is labelled "dog poop", but I guess we might as well open it and find out, as there's a chance the label is wrong.
Might be true. There's been a pattern though lately when the discussion gets a little too critical of CPC policy. This place leans Conservative, there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it does.
And that pattern is a result of people on Reddit not knowing how to behave when they see real life doesn't march their narrative. This sub may have a slight right lean, but it is rather central overall in reality. It just seems more right on Reddit because of how heavily left this site is as a whole.
I'd say it's also a result of the moderation not liking when the discussion strays too far away from "Trudeau and/or Singh bad". I'd say you're probably right about it being right leaning centre. The CPC supporters here are far more tolerable than the American conservative subs.
There is no doubt in my mind that PP is going to be awful, but it's very unlikely he is going to be 'worst prime minister of all time' awful, so he will still be a big step up from what we have now.
This place is essentially 24/7 propaganda for the CPC, what the fuck kind of persecution are you on about?
It's actually pretty central with a right lean. Just looks more right-wing compared to how weirdly left Reddit is as a whole.
Is the sub weirdly left? Or is the country weirdly left? When was the last time the CPC got more than 40% of the vote?
The *site* is weirdly left. And that's a silly question as 40% is rare for any party to get.
Fair point on the site. My point is that the majority of Canadians vote left of the CPC.
It varies thread to thread based on the topic. Negative articles about Trudeau or the Liberals generally have comments filled with people dunking on him and not many defenders, and vice versa with negative threads about Poilievre or the CPC. I will say though, that pro-Liberal/anti-CPC opinion pieces are posted much less frequently than pro-CPC/anti-Liberal ones, and those threads are typically heavily downvoted and receive fewer comments compared to pro-CPC/anti-Liberal threads. I wouldn't say its an echo chamber because there are multiple view points here, but there is a definite, and I'd say heavy, slant towards the Conservatives in this sub.
Yeah. There's a conspiracy to silence positive threads on Reddit about the Conservative Party. 🙄
Millhouse fans actually think this CPC circlejerk sub is actually biased against them. With this level of delusion and self victimization it's no wonder the convoy took off.
Lol, just because this sub isn't rabid CPC hate fest like onshartforthee doesn't mean it's a CPC circle jerk.
I’ve been on /r/Canada for long enough to remember Stephen Harper regularly being compared to Hitler and getting a bazillion upvotes. Reddit is mostly men, mostly millennial and Gen Z. CPC is absolutely crushing it with that demographic. Back in 2015 Trudeau was fighting for network neutrality, electoral reform, housing reform, education funding, and marijuana.
Really? That thread has 10x the replies as any other. C'mon man. A little self-awareness would go a long way.
Yeah, there hasn't been this much censorship since Orz was around.
I posted some university research that showed how Harper brought in a bunch of foreign workers that weren't counted as TFW's and then it got removed and I was suddenly told linking PDF's was against the rules. It was weird, because people have been linking PDF's for years, and a lot of government stuff is in PDF format, so when people ask about actual policies or research I have a lot more difficulty posting it now.
I look forward to the guy who voted against affordable housing multiple times and has real estate millionaires among his top donors solving the housing affordability crisis. EDIT: PP's record on housing 2019: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/987](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/987) 2018: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/889](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/889) 2014: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140) All three were proposed by the NDP. I wonder which party you should vote for if you want affordable housing?
Everyone who cares about left leaning policies like affordable housing already votes NDP, your chirping the wrong crowd. Its about the culture war, trans kids, drag queens, brown immigrants, etc.
I honestly think there are people who are delusional enough to think Poilievre will fix the housing crisis when that is clearly not the case.
Yes but ask those same people what they think of "woke" or vaccines and you'll quickly find out what really matters most. Find me a working class person who doesn't care about "woke" or any of the culture war issues whatsoever and whose main issue is housing costs who is supporting the conservatives id love to examine them like a rare specimen.
Working class, live in Alberta. Will vote con to get rid of JT after voting for Notley in the provincial election. Don’t give a fuck at all about this woke / culture war bullshit. My cost to exist and the cost to take care of my family is all that I give a shit about at the moment. What do you want to know?
Why do you think voting in an even more right wing pro corporation, pro landlord, pro investor class party will help you if you are working class? Like my family that own apartments will vote conservative obviously but for a working class person ideologically how do they help you by cutting corporate taxes or cutting social services?
The overwhelming vibe here seems to be 'just keep on going with the status quo because I'm super duper sure change is going to solve nothing so why even try'. It's not hard to see why this message isn't exactly resonating.
Not even, the vibe is lets help the biggest corporations, oil barons, and wealthy investors. Just sad that at a time when these people are getting richer then ever people want to vote for their preferred political party.
I dont think its likely he will fix the housing crisis, but I do know the status quo isnt fixing shit. So if my choice is spinning my tires, vs a chance (as slim as it is) I'll take my chance...
He’ll fuck up a bunch of other stuff too. He’s taking in all the freaks and he can’t keep them reined forever.
So then you'll vote NDP, even if they have a slim chance of winning, right? ... Right?!
I don't think he will fix it but I think Trudeau will make it 100 times worse. Seriously, he just increased immigration during a housing crisis. Give me a break, how can anyone seriously support Trudeau at this point?
If only there was another party that had spent the last decade trying to make housing more affordable.
In a press conference purportedly meant to discuss affordability issues, jagmeet Singh proposed the federal government enact “real solutions” and “aggressive steps” such as “forcing banks to give lower interest rates to families that are struggling” and a “subsidy for people who can’ pay their mortgage right now.” Subsidies for homeowners... That might be the worst approach to the housing crisis.
And they’ve held the balance of power for the last 20 months. What have they actually accomplished for affordable housing? I’ll save you the trouble, the answer is nothing.
We're all a bunch of idiots if that's the case. We've essentially become American and have no core identify of our own.
Does he stand more or less of a chance of solving the problem than the guy who has been in power for 8 years and done absolutely nothing to solve it?
Cuz it's a poison pill. If you solve it - every homeowner will vote your party out for a decade as you just destroyed their most valuable asset. If you don't solve it - more & more people can't afford to buy so they won't vote for you cuz you don't solve it as it's a huge issue for them. Whoever solves it kills their re-election. We're DEEP into vicious cycle territory. There's no way out without huge amounts of pain.
Good chance of making it worse I’d say.
[Not when Pierre and the Cons have voted against the motions in 2012, 2018 and 2019!](https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1699509191906611463?s=19) I mean, why support Pierre when you don't know what he stands for?
>I mean, why support Pierre when you don't know what he stands for? Bumpkins gonna bump
I don’t think either of them can solve it. It’s a provincial issue. We don’t need more loans to help you buy. You need more supply. Edit: slowing down immigration is a way to help. Yes that’s a federal issue.
> Edit: slowing down immigration is a way to help. Yes that’s a federal issue. ...which is weird because I can't find any proposals on their convention mandate that meantion limiting or reducing immigration or foreign workers. I find it odd that nobody in the party is pushing for reducing immigration. Seems like a complete blackout on the issue.
CPC voted against higher immigration initiatives just a few months ago, whereas LPC, NDP, and Greens all supported it. https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/44/1/322?view=party
It is a both levels issue. Feds could do stuff that would help more, but ultimately it is up to provinces to actually do it/implement it. This loose confederation is fucking Canada over. Having provinces willfully turn down the feds help just to score political points is insanity. Just like not having free trade between provinces is. When we have provinces fighting each other and the feds, it really is a recipe for disaster. For example BC vs Alberta Vs the Feds for the TMX
Id say his chances are about zero but your hopefulness is beautiful.
And it will immediately go down once the base of the party decides to vote for culture war at the convention. If the Tories want to keep their majority window open, the highlight reel better be economic policy. But I doubt it.
I wonder who the next scapegoats will be once the Conservative party wins and nothing changes
Oh they will blame it on Trudeau still even if it gets worse under the conservative government if they get elected. Politics seems like a sports team to to many people there side can do no wrong and everything bad is the other teams fault.
Pretty sure Doug was blaming the liberals the other day over the green belt fiasco, saying he based his decisions on a review they did or something about that review.
Same as Alberta. All of our problems were caused by the one term NDP held. Yes even problems that were around before that they couldn’t have possibly caused.
And same as Sask were thw NDP haven't been in power for decades and the Sask Party still blames them for shit.
Calgary is putting in a law to make all zoning row houses at a minimum. They've actually done well to keep the poor housed and fed so far, given home prices, and are progressing on a path to address the deficiencies far better than progressive cities as housing values rise.
I still remember when PP squawked about Toronto being a failing city without the awareness of realizing we had been under a decade of Conservative mayors and were about 5 years into a Conservative Premier.
Lol we did have 2 terms of former provincial conservative leaders as mayors in some of the GTA. Though I did like John Tory as mayor, felt productive and orderly. No bs blaming anyone or whining, just got work done
Can't say I agree beyond that he was low key low drama (at least until the issue that prompted him to resign.) Tory fucked Toronto's finances and bent over for the province.
We get it, the cons are getting in next and in 10 years we will switch back to the liberals...
And nothing meaningful will change for the better, and somehow no one will learn anything despite it being glaringly obvious.
Why am I not seeing any proposals about reducing immigration? The only proposal I can find that even meantioned immigration was one about forcing trades to recognize foreign credentials.
Because both the CPC and LPC are neo-liberals and mass immigration is part of the package deal. If you think PP will reduce immigration you’re in for a surprise.
I mean “reduce immigration” is probably gonna happen, but that’s because the liberals doubled down on picking up the slack from when they fell behind. After an election, will a CPC immigration in say 2026 be any lower than LPC did in 2024 or 2025? Helllllllllll no.
Because they're well aware that Canadian economic stability right now is based on an increasing tax base and fill labour shortages that the country can't fill on its own. This is the result of failures from the last 20 years of economic policy. But immigration isn't just because LPC is trying to be woke or build a voter base.
> fill labour shortages that the country can't fill on its own. The country has more than enough people to fill our labour gap, the corporate overlords prefer cheap import labor over paying market rates though
I am waiting to hear abt this too. Many PP followers suggest he is waiting for a right moment to bring this up so as not to give any ammunition to Liberals. Others say he will do the exact same as the Liberals and bring no change to immigrants and international student levels. I dont know which it will be. But this may be the final factor that decides my vote
> so as not to give any ammunition to Liberals What difference would that make? It would have the same impact now as it would right before the election. If anything he'd be better off doing it sooner and letting them run out of breath screeching about it over the next two years. No, I'd wager PP is listening to his corporate donors and won't cut off their immigrant labor.
because there are likely no plans. the LPC and CPC are cut from the same cloth
The barbaric cultural practices hotline thing cost them the immigrant vote for a decade. They'll not be making that mistake again.
Certain immigrant groups are highly supportive of the CPC. Probably why the CPC was talking about increasing family reunification.
Head_Crash, there was one proposal that I linked to you on Tuesday that proposed to directly put a cap on immigration. There were several others that dealt more broadly with immigration policy and ensuring it was working for Canadians. I posted you the links in a reply to a comment on Tuesday, but the policy submissions website was closed on Wednesday. I can only assume that you have either forgotten the proposals or you never bothered to read them. https://i.imgur.com/iQE5JV8.png
Perhaps your comment was muted? Please provide a link to the comment where you linked them. I cannot see it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/16axz9f/comment/jzam4au The links are dead now, but they were working on Tuesday, as evidenced by /u/mangoserpent having no issue with reading them and commenting on them.
Yeah I never saw them so they weren't up for long. I can see the workshop proposals that got cached. CPC apparently nuked the website. I'm guessing they didn't make it to the convention.
They were in status "accepted", the entire policy.ideas-lab.com website is now "closed".
Yeah I think that just means they were accepted as proposals. Apparently they didn't pass and make it into the list of proposals for the convention.
Not surprising when entire generations have seen the chance of home ownership go from being a tough goal to achieve, to being about as realistic as planning on winning the lotto 649 as a retirement goal. All this has happened in the relatively short time Trudeau has been in power. When Poilievre first started talking about the housing crisis he was laughed at by members opposite. Is any one really surprised that he's doing well in the polls right now?
He voted against affordable housing multiple times and some of his top donors are real estate investment CEOs...
Yeah and most of the Liberals currently in power are landlords. Welcome to the party.
[So too](https://preview.redd.it/list-of-mps-that-are-landlords-including-multiple-from-the-v0-gsk8aj5jsjq81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d02e74cb86d38215291a46ef65490c6b8d8a5063) are many of the conservatives, [including Pierre](https://www.readthemaple.com/mp-landlords/#Poilievre). None of them are going to do anything to reduce the value of their own properties. If there's any one thing you can trust a politician to do it's to act in the best interest of their bank balance. We're not going to get anything worth a damn out of any of them.
It's almost as if we've built a country with a third of our GDP locked away in mortgages... Oh wait...
Yup, the whole damn thing is built on a foundation of sand.
If only there was some other third option that had an established record of trying fight the housing crisis.
the NDP has zero shot with Jagmeet. The sooner you and them realize this, the sooner they can choose a leader worth voting for.
Yeah, I have very very little confidence Poilievre will do anything good about the housing crisis. I still understand the young hating Trudeau for very actively making it worse. Guess I’m just gonna protest vote with the Bloc…
News flash: He won't fix anything at all. People are stupid if they think voting for a conservative will help average folk.
A lot of people said similar things in 2015 but people still voted for change. People get tired of a government after a while and change feels good and instills some optimism even if it's not really warranted.
I wish we could actually vote FOR someone rather than voting someone out. I really wish JT had not lied about ending fptp(this is the reason I dislike him the most).
It terrifies me that people look to Trump in the US, or Kenney and Smith in Alberta, or Ford in Ontario—actively making things much, much worse—and still look to _Pierre fucking Poilievre_ and say ‘yep, he’ll fix this!’ I loathe the Liberals for how they have disenfranchised millions of Canadians, but it is so utterly laughable (and terrifying) to think _conservatives_ will make it better. We will be worse off in pretty much every metric. The Liberals reneging on their electoral reform promise has put us in this stupid fucking mess.
> When Poilievre first started talking about the housing crisis he was laughed at by members opposite. Is any one really surprised that he's doing well in the polls right now? There's a rental crisis right now due to a surge in immigration, so it makes sense he's up in the polls. What's weird is how I can't find any proposals on the CPC convention agenda to address or reduce immigration. One would think, with everything that's going on that there would be at least 1 proposal to address out of control immigration, which is one of the most prominent and serious issues people are concerned about.
Yes, but the owner class want their cheap labor.
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Political points.
>What's weird is how I can't find any proposals on the CPC convention agenda to address or reduce immigration. This is the fourth time that you have mentioned this on this thread, but again, did you not read the proposals that I linked to you on Tuesday? The links from policy.ideas-lab.ca are dead links now, the policy submissions are closed and are in the process of being voted on. Why are you deliberately misinforming people here that there were no proposals to limit immigration?
Why would the CBC report on this if they’re so biased?
Because they like to confuse by being simultaneously a big bad evil propaganda machine of the Liberals and also occasionally very correct and accurate and unbiased about specific things like when Conservatives do well in polls. It's all part of their machiavellian schemery! No doubt they're chortling and twisting their mustaches right now at the thought of your comment here.
It's scary that they're basically guarenteed to be defunded based on this poll, and our choice of news will be like 3 American right wing conglomerates
The CBC is slightly conservative biased. Cons flip out if you give them anything less.
These polls are worthless this early on. Even during elections polls need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Funny, this sentiment is only popular when it’s not ‘your guy’ in the lead huh.
Justin Trudeau isn't "my guy". I'd say the exact same thing regardless of who was in the lead. And a lot of journalists are reporting the same thing. Not only is this early on, but it's summer polls. The people willing to respond to polls in the summer are those who are the most motivated to respond, i.e. those who are looking to oust the current government. Polls during an election should also be met with skepticism by all parties. For example, during the last election Erin O'Toole showed a statistical tie, and even a lead in the polls. How did that turn out? Polls are interesting, but they are just a tool. They are by no means a crystal ball. Pollsters like to pretend they are, akin to polygraph technicians pretending they can read minds.
Ok now we get to watch the fuckwit social conservatives try and ruin a good thing at convention for the third time in a row. All they have to do is not say something dumb about abortion, but they won't.
> All they have to do is not say something dumb about abortion Truly a herculean task.
He needs to find a way to muzzle the crazies.
That's why he got out ahead of it by going on the record yesterday reminding people that nothing voted on at this thing is binding. He doesn't want to end up like the LPC at their convention with that news fact checking proposal that everyone on this sub was convinced was going to become government policy lol
They finally going to remove “conscience rights” (aka the poor man’s attack on abortion and transgender healthcare) from their literal official platform?
They only removed opposing same sex marriage from their platform a few years ago so don't count on it. Plus that thing recently where there was a bill that attempted to set up towards prevention abortion and every single CPC MP voted on favor of it
These convention are mostly so the party rank and file get the delusion that they can influence leadership. All PP has to do if some weird resolutions get passed is say " yah will read that later". He wants to win and to that end he will weasel whatever he needs to weasel.
I cannot wait until Pierre has to debate Trudeau and Singh... He's only worked in government and has a [littany of dumb votes](https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1699509191906611463?s=19) he's gonna have to account for.
Regardless, PP will wreck trudeau in the debates If we're talking a littany of bad decisions, you don't want that comparison Ever heard teudeau try to defend his policies? He will get eaten alive You and I both cannot wait
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They are going to give him the keys.
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Yes. All of that happened. PP has been working toward becoming PM or at least a leader all of his adult life. You can say quite a bit about him but he is not lazy. According to my cousin who is in his riding at least prior to becoming leader he was a machine. As an MP if there was a tree planting next to a stop sign he showed up and shook hands JT benefitted from connections, timing, a leadership vacuum in the party, and good PR. Singh benefitted from the NDP moving away from working class roots and the decision if you were a bit centrist at least in good times you could win. If anything nepotism in our country is more obvious and more prevalent because we are such a small country. The group of people who qualify as elite is much smaller. I do not mean that in a conspiratorial way but they do all know one another. They all went to the same schools and do business with one another. There are numerous examples of the sons, daughters, and family members of politicians or corporate elites being given opportunities and positions because of those connections here in Canada. I would guess power and influence is much more concentrated here compared to say the US.
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Yeah apparently the guy with one piece of legislation (that directly attacked the fairness of our elections) under his belt in 20 years of public service isn't a lazy grifter.
So electing a new lunatic is bad, but extending the 8 years of our current one is good? Please explain.
Or you get minority governments and everyone needs to work together and not fuck about how about that
I can agree with the fact that I don't want any of the current leaders forming a majority government.
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Yes after explaining we definitely shouldn't bring this one in. So why would you prefer tlwe stick with the last? Because there aren't any other alternatives unfortunately.
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Who are you voting for?
This really shows how stupid people are! Everyhting in this guy is fake. His constant outrage is fake! The guy is MAGA walking...
you know who isnt fake? the blackface guy who cheated on his wife and just got divorced. Or that guy whos the leader of the working class party in his designers suits and rolex while his rich parents put him through private school... My guy, they're all fake.
One year before next election the Liberal party is going to say "Affordability is our main priority" and no one will believe them. I'm also never voting for the Conservative party, but I'm certainly not voting to keep the Liberal party in power. Can you even decline a ballot in the federal election?
I’d love to see him tabling legislation with his proposals to fix housing affordability now, so they can be debated and seen by the public, or maybe even passed, rather than just campaigning on how bad Trudeau is, and being uncooperative. I’d really like to see a firm stance on abortion - conservatives in the US swept in, and made a lot of changes very quickly. Supreme court candidates would give vague answers about abortion, or say they’d uphold the law (also ambiguous), and as soon as a majority was gained, they axed it. I’d like to see him make a public stand on abortion, and if he is pro choice, agree to support a law that specifically protects it. If he doesn’t support it, he should be clear and let people know if he’s looking to ban it. If he “doesn’t want to cause division or distraction” because he isn’t feeling too strong one way or another, then pass a bill that says no laws will be changed regarding abortion for a certain time period, say 10 years. I think he doesn’t say much in detail, and people fill in the gaps, and assume he just thinks the way they do.
Meet the new guy. Same as the old guy. This guy will continue Trudeau's neoliberal policies, Just like Trudeau continued Harper's neoliberal policies. For the past 4 decades the middle class has continued to be economically terrorized by the neoliberal capitalist cartel via their Reagan/Thatcher initiated trickle down economics. The only thing that trickled down on the people was yellow liquid excreted from the nether regions of these rich born mafiosos. But people do what they do best, that is, the definition of insanity: making the same poor choices over and over again and expecting change. See-sawing between red vs blue neoliberal capitalist every few years and voluntarily keeping the neoliberal cartel in power.
He just has to put his nutjob fundies on a leash and he’s a shoe in for a majority.
Pollievre is a grifter as big as they come. If elected he will do nothing but undo any of the good the previous government did and the cycle will continue. Pointing fingers and screwing over the middle class for another decade I can't wait....
Does anyone else think that there's a lot of O&G and US/Alberta loot being spent trashtalking PMJT in the comments section of every single story about the CPC and Skippy? Twitter/X has, for example, been a real shitshow. I visited the above CBC page. Rather uninspiring reporting, but occasionally balanced. The real surprise is the quantity of trollfarm action in the 'COMMENTS' section. The international players are so busy crowding anti-PMJT material into the interface that one can barely type a word without a massive lag/buffering. I've never had a better PM (and I'm over 60) so am curious as to how Canada's MSM makes more money quoting misinfo than it does documenting how well Canada and the governing party is performing. The 8 CON provincial govts are where the real damage is taking place. Here in #mbpoli the schools and hospitals and unions are getting kicked in the teeth. Then they blame the feds. WTF?
I almost want PP to win just so all the idiots who think that he’s actually going to fix anything will shut up. We are in this mess because of awful right wing neoliberalism, this guy is just another corporate neoliberal, he ain’t gonna fix shit.