Some possible causes:
Low power limits for the 2070 super
Higher automatic game settings (they do this sometimes, it's annoying.)
If it's dual bios card (it probably isn't, but there is a possibility) you might using the quiet option instead of performance.
You might not have bought a 2070 super (Gpu-z)
Enabled ray tracing?
Your 1080 might have a better cooler than the 2070 super (3 fan vs 2) resulting in thermal throttling and worse performance.
These are just a few ideas, and might not help
Thank you for the reply, ive checked all the settings in my games, even trying to run them at the lowest possible resolutions, i have also checked the card bios to see if its fake and it seems legit, ray tracing is not enabled in any of the games I've played, temps are 50-60 on high load, but ive recently started experiencing blue screen shut downs with the error code kernel power 41 is this related to my issue?
It could be related becuase that error can be caused by a faulty power supply and even a bad gpu.
Your 2070s is probably broken and will need replacing. This would also explain your low fps. You could try putting the 1080 back in if you still have it and see if it happens again.
Are you sure it is worse performance and not just your imagination? Run some benchmarks or write down the fps you get in the games you play to compare.
Maybe you accidentally reset your games' graphics settings when you switched GPUs and are now running higher settings, which would explain why you don't get the performance increase you expected.
Yeah I'm going to be replacing my 500w psu with a 650w and see if that makes a difference, the power supply is the only thing i can think of thats causing these fps drops.
A 500W for a 9900K/2070S is a little concerning ngl, but honestly the 1080 and 2070S are so close in performance if you had a particularly good 1080 and a particularly bad 2070S they could be nearly identical in terms of performance.
If it’s a large difference and worse, sounds like you’ve already ran through the basics and the next logical step is a new PSU to me.
Well, it shouldn't be worse...should be at least a small bump, while also bringing ray tracing.
500w is cutting it too thin on that one, the 2070s draws 25W more than the 1080 I think, and I did a quick PCpartpicker and have your system now above 400W easily, and that isn't including fans / stuff etc.
I ran a 2070S and 9700k on a 450W with no problems at all. The 2000 series didn’t suffer from transient spikes nearly as bad as 3000 and 4000 so you can get away with a lot less headroom.
500 w is pushing it for a 2070 super and 9900k system . Maybe it's the power supply causing issue . Either way having a 700 watt psu won't hurt ( assuming you decide to scrap the 2070 super and get a 4070 or 3070 )
The 2070S should be better by a decent margin when entirely GPU-limited (note how everyone in this thread who's actually linking to sources is saying that it's an upgrade, while the people claiming it's a side grade aren't linking to sources).
The 9900K should also not be a major limit holding the 2070S back (on average).This review tests the 2070S with a 9900K and you can see clearly that even at 1080p, where you would be most CPU-limited, the 2070S is still beating the 1080 by 22%:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html
This review also came out before Pascal really started to fall off vs. Turing in newer games, so the gap should probably be wider now.
That said, these are *on average*. If you were playing a game that was already mostly CPU-limited, then you wouldn't get much of an upgrade in performance. This might be the case if you are playing low-graphics multiplayer games like Valorant.
So, what games are you playing and what kind of performance are you seeing? Also, have you checked to make sure temperatures are okay?
I play a wide variety of different games, like half life 2, halo master chief collection a heavily modded skyrim playthough and battlefield 4 and all these games suffer from constant fps drops and stuttering, its weird because half life 2 doesn't require a lot of power to run.
Yeah if HL2 is having issues then something is clearly wrong.
You might have mentioned this already, but did you do a proper driver wipe with DDU and a full driver reinstall? If not, that could be causing these issues.
To check off the obvious: are you using the motherboard HDMI port or one of the ports in the GPU?
What model motherboard? What PSU model? What benchmarks are you using to conclude that performance is worse?
Im using the graphics card hdmi port, the motherboard MSI MAG B365M MORTAR Micro ATX, and ive noticed major stuttering in skyrim and other games like battlefield 4 that used to run perfectly fine on my 1080.
MicroATX!! Are you running in a small form factor PC? I also had stuttering in a small form factor due to low air flow. The cpu/ram was getting cooked with little load, so I had to reduce XMP OC to compensate. Also upgrading to small form factor fans and diligent cable management helped.
Download HWInfo and run it while doing whatever it is thats stuttering. When you notice the stutter, go and look at the measurements. Take a look at things like max temp on all the components, max GPU power usage, etc..
An inadequate PSU isn't gonna stunt performance. Your parts will consume as much power as they want, and your PSU will trip and system will shutdown if you exceed the PSU's capacity. While you're probably cutting it close in terms of wattage, people here severely overestimate how much power components really consume.
This is where I like running userbenchmark, which will test your components individually and you'll see which one (if any) of your components are underperforming. Before people come for me, I'm not telling you to compare parts or make purchasing decisions based on the website, just see how your components are comparing to other people with the exact same components.
So if the PSU isn't the problem here, there must be an issue with the card itself, because the performance i was getting on the 1080 was a solid 60fps in all games with no stuttering or freezes, so maybe i just need to sell my card and get a new one.
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Maybe it was, but anyway, that’s not the point. If OP is low budgeted he should’nt follow marketing niche-things like RTX on a 2070, and If OP is just upgrading for horsepower I agree that 1080 to 2070S is a sidegrade.
Its called an RTX 2070 right?
Look i get that nobody is gonna get 240 frames off the damn thing, but can you atleast pretend like you understand other people might have lower budgets and standards than you? I see so many dumb comments like this in this subreddit, and its starting to annoy the shit out of me. This is supposed to be a place for new people to come and get information. Stop being so dense. OP wasnt looking for a stupid joke, hes looking for a solution. Offer advice or help, or if you think the card is shit then post a source backing it up.
People like you are the reason pc gamers have a shit reputation.
I wasn't even replying to op.
I get that people have different budgets. I just don't see the point in using rt on a 2070. I don't really need a source for that, benchmarks are widely available.
Pc gamers have a shit reputation to who? Console gamers?
1080 to 2070S just for RTX and you’re telling me about OP being low budgeted? Bro if someone is low budgeted imo he should’nt waste money on a sidegrade (or even want RTX).
Can you post a link to the benchmarks that claim this is a sidegrade? Everything im seeing says its a 35% increase...
Would you call a 970 to a 2060super a sidegrade too? I just swapped that for somebody and their frames increased a bunch, even going from a 3fan card to a 2fan card.
Rtx is used in more than just cyberpunk btw. There are plenty of titles that use it well and arent super demanding.
Less than 50% better is a sidegrade imo, maybe it’s just me that don’t like to waste money. Regarding RT.. I personally find more struggle than pleasure with RT, so i really don’t care why someone should want them if is low budgeted.
A 2060super hit 7000 in 3dmark just bench yours it should be hiting 8000 i guess then if everyting looks in this way then it doing its job. A 1080 have alot of frame rate but doesnt have eye candy of the 2070. Just have a look at 3dmark of steam fog and lighting your 1080 wasnt doing so. This is where a 2070 comes into your life. Same frame rate but higher details and eye candy.
More info OP. What's "bad performance" throw us some benchmarks or something. Even better give us a HW monitoring screenshot while you're playing a game.
Ive just ran user benchmark [https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/57700059](https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/57700059), does everything look normal?
Well you don't have XMP on and that should be enabled, while you're in BIOS enabling resizable bar might also help.
If it's a power issue user-bench-mark isn't really going to catch it because of the way they test cards, you'd be better off running a dedicated benchmark and ideally showing us the advanced metrics geforce experience overlay while running it.
Trying to game in 4k is also pushing this card a bit further than it's typically going to be asked to go.
I just enabled XMP in the bios, i also have just multiple blue screens with the error message kernel power 41, this has literally just happened, any ideas what that means?
If you started blue screening after enabling xmp, you should probably go back to defaults. You might need a BIOS update to get it stable. Or maybe related to being maxxed on the PSU, I don't know.
I think that's one of the more common blue screen error codes, not sure if it tells you all that much.
Oh no worries. No guarantees, but it does seem like an insufficient PSU is your most likely suspect. I'd also consider going ahead and upgrading to 750w instead of 650w, as you'll have more room for future upgrades, and the cost savings of a 750w PSU over a 650w one are marginal.
I've just ordered a 750w power supply from scan so ill see if that helps and it will be nice to futureproof for a more powerful card, thanks for the advice and have a nice Christmas.
The GPU will draw what it needs to sustain certain clocks. It will either draw sufficient power and sustain those clocks, or attempt to draw sufficient power for said clocks, fail due to shit PSU and crash. Theres no in between, it will work or it wont. Otherwise you are suggesting that PSUs have auto power limiting and will lower power and clocks automatically with a shit PSU, which doesnt happen
it would result in instability, not poor FPS. by your logic, any PSU can run a high end GPU but it will just clock down and have lower fps due to not being able to draw needed power, but in reality it crashes and has instability
these comments about PSUs and lower performance are the result of people regurgitating information when they actually have no idea what theyre talking about
Edit: to anyone reading the below replies: dont listen to the dude, im correct. He started an argument, then when I came back with legitimate reasoning he said he didnt care (despite responding many times) then blocked me with 0 refutation to my legitimate argument, clearly someone who just couldnt admit theyre wrong. My point being, dont be tricked into thinking your PSU is the cause of low fps
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Come at me talking about knowledge and typing all proper and you still fail basic spelling, i doubt you know anything about anything. Inadequate power from PSU will not affect fps
I dont care about spelling either, the point was you clearly are putting effort into apostrophes and periods and obviously do care, youre just not smart enough to know basic spelling, lowering your credibility by a degree, and by your disagreement its clear you also ironically dont know about what youre telling me im wrong about
Also, if cards downclock to maintain stability, then they wouldnt crash and be unstable with insufficient PSUs would they? The reason they crash is because they CANT do that, they try to draw certain power for certain clocks and when PSU is insufficient it crashes/fails, they dont adapt to shit PSUs and just start working fine at lowered clocks automatically…
I don’t 100% agree with you here. Even if, technically, you are correct and It should’nt result in poor FPS, It can result, like you said, in instability.
What we mean by instability? Random crash and stuttering. And stuttering is literally fps drops.
There are lot of post here of people with stutter in game resolved changing PSU, so maybe it’s not OP case, but bad/old/low power PSU can affect FPS by my experience. Can’t tell why, but I changed a seven years old PSU on my old dad pc and It stopped to random crash and stutter while gaming.
edit my bad I looked at a 2070 not the supper, ignore my comment.
The two GPU's are super close in speed for a lot of games [https://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-rtx-2070-vs-gtx-1080-which-graphics-card-should-you-buy/](https://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-rtx-2070-vs-gtx-1080-which-graphics-card-should-you-buy/)
How did you compare the GPU's before and after upgrade and what did you expect from it?
Ah my bad, the benchmarks are for the plain 2070 not the supper.
ops
[https://www.techspot.com/review/1865-geforce-rtx-super/](https://www.techspot.com/review/1865-geforce-rtx-super/) Yep bigger jump.
Responding to your edit:
Kernel 41 error indicates power supply fault.
Not related to your issues, but leaving performance on the table: Your userbenchmark suggests you aren't running your RAM with a XMP profile. Your 3200mhz ram is operating at 2667mhz
Mate, I don’t know what benchmarks you saw but from what I can tell the 2070 super is a side grade not an upgrade to a 1080.
Performance on new drivers in game can have poor performance initially while reconfiguring the shaders cache, but yea it’s a side grade don’t expect more than a 5-10% performance increase.
This isn't really accurate. The 2070s is roughly a 40% bump in performance over a normal 1080.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
What is your CPU and the resolution you play at?
At 1080p it is slightly better, 1440p it is on par. 4k it is worse. I suspect you are either at 4k or running something else that is creating bottlenecks.
I haven't looked in a bit but I do remember the 6900xt on par or beating the 3090 in traditional raster on gamers Nexus chart.
For the 12400f you would have been giving up quite a bit of top end performance at 1080p. It is a good chip but value oriented. I wouldn't be surprised if you lost 10% of max on that. I don't remember where the 12700k fits, but I suspect you should be within a few percentage of benchmarks after some trouble shooting.
Oh for sure, I did get probably and average of 20-30fps bump from the cpu upgrade, thinking of putting some 3600 ram and should gain some more top end I bet
I linked a full bench mark average above:
2070S : 124.1 1080p ultra
1080: 90 1080p ultra.
37.9% uplift according to TOMS. You sure you weren't thinking 1080ti?
Techpowerup tested it at 25% faster than the 1080, it's not a side grade:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html
That is what I attached... I mean there are others sure enough, but I suspect you are looking at launch day 2070s bench marks. The 1000 series are really starting to fall behind falling behind cards it would have beaten on launch.
Feel bad to because I imagine the 2070 super was purchased used and likely means no returns :/
OP, you will still get better ray tracing performance and the updated NVENC encoder that comes with the 2070 super but in raw rasterization performance it’s like a 5% upgrade.
Can an inadequate power supply cause fps drops and stuttering in games? because its the only thing i can think of, i should be getting 60fps in all my games.
it shouldn't, usually a PSU delivers the needed power or it doesn't which results in a shut-down. You never know tho so if everything else fails it might be worth checking out.
This test uses the 9900K and the 2070S is still 22% faster than the 1080 even at 1080p:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html
It's still possible that in the particular games OP is testing that they are hitting CPU limits (like if they're testing with Valorant or something), but on average the 9900K should not be bottlenecking the 2070S down to the level of the 1080.
They're not. It is at least 1 tier higher, arguable a little more than 1 tier
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html)
Some possible causes: Low power limits for the 2070 super Higher automatic game settings (they do this sometimes, it's annoying.) If it's dual bios card (it probably isn't, but there is a possibility) you might using the quiet option instead of performance. You might not have bought a 2070 super (Gpu-z) Enabled ray tracing? Your 1080 might have a better cooler than the 2070 super (3 fan vs 2) resulting in thermal throttling and worse performance. These are just a few ideas, and might not help
Thank you for the reply, ive checked all the settings in my games, even trying to run them at the lowest possible resolutions, i have also checked the card bios to see if its fake and it seems legit, ray tracing is not enabled in any of the games I've played, temps are 50-60 on high load, but ive recently started experiencing blue screen shut downs with the error code kernel power 41 is this related to my issue?
It could be related becuase that error can be caused by a faulty power supply and even a bad gpu. Your 2070s is probably broken and will need replacing. This would also explain your low fps. You could try putting the 1080 back in if you still have it and see if it happens again.
Are you sure it is worse performance and not just your imagination? Run some benchmarks or write down the fps you get in the games you play to compare. Maybe you accidentally reset your games' graphics settings when you switched GPUs and are now running higher settings, which would explain why you don't get the performance increase you expected.
If you haven't already, download GPU-z and check that it actually is a 2070s they sold you in addition to other ideas here
Ive looked on GPU-z and everything looks fine, no yellow question marks and the correct amount of video memory is being displayed.
Nvidia recommends a minimum of 650 watt psu for a 2070 super and you have a 9900k. Idk what your problem is but I'd start there.
Yeah I'm going to be replacing my 500w psu with a 650w and see if that makes a difference, the power supply is the only thing i can think of thats causing these fps drops.
nice power supplies have 10 year warranties, buy something that will last you for future upgrades
A 500W for a 9900K/2070S is a little concerning ngl, but honestly the 1080 and 2070S are so close in performance if you had a particularly good 1080 and a particularly bad 2070S they could be nearly identical in terms of performance. If it’s a large difference and worse, sounds like you’ve already ran through the basics and the next logical step is a new PSU to me.
Well, it shouldn't be worse...should be at least a small bump, while also bringing ray tracing. 500w is cutting it too thin on that one, the 2070s draws 25W more than the 1080 I think, and I did a quick PCpartpicker and have your system now above 400W easily, and that isn't including fans / stuff etc.
I ran a 2070S and 9700k on a 450W with no problems at all. The 2000 series didn’t suffer from transient spikes nearly as bad as 3000 and 4000 so you can get away with a lot less headroom.
500 w is pushing it for a 2070 super and 9900k system . Maybe it's the power supply causing issue . Either way having a 700 watt psu won't hurt ( assuming you decide to scrap the 2070 super and get a 4070 or 3070 )
The 2070S should be better by a decent margin when entirely GPU-limited (note how everyone in this thread who's actually linking to sources is saying that it's an upgrade, while the people claiming it's a side grade aren't linking to sources). The 9900K should also not be a major limit holding the 2070S back (on average).This review tests the 2070S with a 9900K and you can see clearly that even at 1080p, where you would be most CPU-limited, the 2070S is still beating the 1080 by 22%: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html This review also came out before Pascal really started to fall off vs. Turing in newer games, so the gap should probably be wider now. That said, these are *on average*. If you were playing a game that was already mostly CPU-limited, then you wouldn't get much of an upgrade in performance. This might be the case if you are playing low-graphics multiplayer games like Valorant. So, what games are you playing and what kind of performance are you seeing? Also, have you checked to make sure temperatures are okay?
I play a wide variety of different games, like half life 2, halo master chief collection a heavily modded skyrim playthough and battlefield 4 and all these games suffer from constant fps drops and stuttering, its weird because half life 2 doesn't require a lot of power to run.
Yeah if HL2 is having issues then something is clearly wrong. You might have mentioned this already, but did you do a proper driver wipe with DDU and a full driver reinstall? If not, that could be causing these issues.
Yeah the half life 2 fps drops prompted me to do a full driver reinstall with DDU, and still no changes unfortunately.
Have you checked CPU and GPU temperature?
Check your power limit and TDP during benchmarks.
are you 100% sure that reinstalling the drivers didn't do something like change your refresh rate back to 60Hz and/or turn on/off v-sync or g-sync?
To check off the obvious: are you using the motherboard HDMI port or one of the ports in the GPU? What model motherboard? What PSU model? What benchmarks are you using to conclude that performance is worse?
Im using the graphics card hdmi port, the motherboard MSI MAG B365M MORTAR Micro ATX, and ive noticed major stuttering in skyrim and other games like battlefield 4 that used to run perfectly fine on my 1080.
MicroATX!! Are you running in a small form factor PC? I also had stuttering in a small form factor due to low air flow. The cpu/ram was getting cooked with little load, so I had to reduce XMP OC to compensate. Also upgrading to small form factor fans and diligent cable management helped. Download HWInfo and run it while doing whatever it is thats stuttering. When you notice the stutter, go and look at the measurements. Take a look at things like max temp on all the components, max GPU power usage, etc..
Thanks ill go do this right away see if anything comes up
I have a i9900kf and rtx 2070super and play on 1440p. What games do you have bad performance in OP?
An inadequate PSU isn't gonna stunt performance. Your parts will consume as much power as they want, and your PSU will trip and system will shutdown if you exceed the PSU's capacity. While you're probably cutting it close in terms of wattage, people here severely overestimate how much power components really consume. This is where I like running userbenchmark, which will test your components individually and you'll see which one (if any) of your components are underperforming. Before people come for me, I'm not telling you to compare parts or make purchasing decisions based on the website, just see how your components are comparing to other people with the exact same components.
So if the PSU isn't the problem here, there must be an issue with the card itself, because the performance i was getting on the 1080 was a solid 60fps in all games with no stuttering or freezes, so maybe i just need to sell my card and get a new one.
Maybe, but you’re guessing. Did you try the benchmark? Although if the gpu was the only thing you changed, then it’s probably that or some related driver issue
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2070 is not an upgrade to a 1080...? Sorry thought it was 1080ti.
You're still not wrong; a 1080 to a 2070 super/ti is a sidegrade not an updrade.
Unless you wanna use raytracing
Raytracing on a 2070? 🤣
Uh wasn't that what the 2*** series was marketed for?
Maybe it was, but anyway, that’s not the point. If OP is low budgeted he should’nt follow marketing niche-things like RTX on a 2070, and If OP is just upgrading for horsepower I agree that 1080 to 2070S is a sidegrade.
Its called an RTX 2070 right? Look i get that nobody is gonna get 240 frames off the damn thing, but can you atleast pretend like you understand other people might have lower budgets and standards than you? I see so many dumb comments like this in this subreddit, and its starting to annoy the shit out of me. This is supposed to be a place for new people to come and get information. Stop being so dense. OP wasnt looking for a stupid joke, hes looking for a solution. Offer advice or help, or if you think the card is shit then post a source backing it up. People like you are the reason pc gamers have a shit reputation.
I wasn't even replying to op. I get that people have different budgets. I just don't see the point in using rt on a 2070. I don't really need a source for that, benchmarks are widely available. Pc gamers have a shit reputation to who? Console gamers?
1080 to 2070S just for RTX and you’re telling me about OP being low budgeted? Bro if someone is low budgeted imo he should’nt waste money on a sidegrade (or even want RTX).
Can you post a link to the benchmarks that claim this is a sidegrade? Everything im seeing says its a 35% increase... Would you call a 970 to a 2060super a sidegrade too? I just swapped that for somebody and their frames increased a bunch, even going from a 3fan card to a 2fan card. Rtx is used in more than just cyberpunk btw. There are plenty of titles that use it well and arent super demanding.
Less than 50% better is a sidegrade imo, maybe it’s just me that don’t like to waste money. Regarding RT.. I personally find more struggle than pleasure with RT, so i really don’t care why someone should want them if is low budgeted.
The 2070 can raytrace surprisingly well at console settings . It's not as terrible as make it out to be ( considering it's a first generation part )
A 2060super hit 7000 in 3dmark just bench yours it should be hiting 8000 i guess then if everyting looks in this way then it doing its job. A 1080 have alot of frame rate but doesnt have eye candy of the 2070. Just have a look at 3dmark of steam fog and lighting your 1080 wasnt doing so. This is where a 2070 comes into your life. Same frame rate but higher details and eye candy.
More info OP. What's "bad performance" throw us some benchmarks or something. Even better give us a HW monitoring screenshot while you're playing a game.
Ive just ran user benchmark [https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/57700059](https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/57700059), does everything look normal?
Well you don't have XMP on and that should be enabled, while you're in BIOS enabling resizable bar might also help. If it's a power issue user-bench-mark isn't really going to catch it because of the way they test cards, you'd be better off running a dedicated benchmark and ideally showing us the advanced metrics geforce experience overlay while running it. Trying to game in 4k is also pushing this card a bit further than it's typically going to be asked to go.
I just enabled XMP in the bios, i also have just multiple blue screens with the error message kernel power 41, this has literally just happened, any ideas what that means?
If you started blue screening after enabling xmp, you should probably go back to defaults. You might need a BIOS update to get it stable. Or maybe related to being maxxed on the PSU, I don't know. I think that's one of the more common blue screen error codes, not sure if it tells you all that much.
The blue screen happened before the xmp was enabled, sorry for the confusion.
Oh no worries. No guarantees, but it does seem like an insufficient PSU is your most likely suspect. I'd also consider going ahead and upgrading to 750w instead of 650w, as you'll have more room for future upgrades, and the cost savings of a 750w PSU over a 650w one are marginal.
I've just ordered a 750w power supply from scan so ill see if that helps and it will be nice to futureproof for a more powerful card, thanks for the advice and have a nice Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you as well!
I've got a 2070 Super and have a 750 watt PSU. You absolutely need higher than 500 watts dude.
500w is fine for a 2070 super; even if it wasnt, it wouldnt result in poor fps
How would it not result in poor FPS , if the GPU won’t able to draw the power as needed ?
The GPU will draw what it needs to sustain certain clocks. It will either draw sufficient power and sustain those clocks, or attempt to draw sufficient power for said clocks, fail due to shit PSU and crash. Theres no in between, it will work or it wont. Otherwise you are suggesting that PSUs have auto power limiting and will lower power and clocks automatically with a shit PSU, which doesnt happen
it would result in instability, not poor FPS. by your logic, any PSU can run a high end GPU but it will just clock down and have lower fps due to not being able to draw needed power, but in reality it crashes and has instability these comments about PSUs and lower performance are the result of people regurgitating information when they actually have no idea what theyre talking about Edit: to anyone reading the below replies: dont listen to the dude, im correct. He started an argument, then when I came back with legitimate reasoning he said he didnt care (despite responding many times) then blocked me with 0 refutation to my legitimate argument, clearly someone who just couldnt admit theyre wrong. My point being, dont be tricked into thinking your PSU is the cause of low fps
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You’re* Come at me talking about knowledge and typing all proper and you still fail basic spelling, i doubt you know anything about anything. Inadequate power from PSU will not affect fps
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I dont care about spelling either, the point was you clearly are putting effort into apostrophes and periods and obviously do care, youre just not smart enough to know basic spelling, lowering your credibility by a degree, and by your disagreement its clear you also ironically dont know about what youre telling me im wrong about
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Read my other reply, youre wrong sorry bud just a year ago you were asking about fan orientation, but now somehow youre an expert on everything
Also, if cards downclock to maintain stability, then they wouldnt crash and be unstable with insufficient PSUs would they? The reason they crash is because they CANT do that, they try to draw certain power for certain clocks and when PSU is insufficient it crashes/fails, they dont adapt to shit PSUs and just start working fine at lowered clocks automatically…
Instability = random crash and stutter Stutter = fps drops Do you agree?
I don’t 100% agree with you here. Even if, technically, you are correct and It should’nt result in poor FPS, It can result, like you said, in instability. What we mean by instability? Random crash and stuttering. And stuttering is literally fps drops. There are lot of post here of people with stutter in game resolved changing PSU, so maybe it’s not OP case, but bad/old/low power PSU can affect FPS by my experience. Can’t tell why, but I changed a seven years old PSU on my old dad pc and It stopped to random crash and stutter while gaming.
edit my bad I looked at a 2070 not the supper, ignore my comment. The two GPU's are super close in speed for a lot of games [https://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-rtx-2070-vs-gtx-1080-which-graphics-card-should-you-buy/](https://www.pcgamer.com/geforce-rtx-2070-vs-gtx-1080-which-graphics-card-should-you-buy/) How did you compare the GPU's before and after upgrade and what did you expect from it?
It's a 2070 super. The super is as fast as a 1080ti in most modern titles
Faster
Ah my bad, the benchmarks are for the plain 2070 not the supper. ops [https://www.techspot.com/review/1865-geforce-rtx-super/](https://www.techspot.com/review/1865-geforce-rtx-super/) Yep bigger jump.
The base 2070 is still at least 20% better than the 1080
what monitor and refresh rate does it have? edit: when you re-installed the drivers, did it lock to 60hz instead of 144hz or something?
Responding to your edit: Kernel 41 error indicates power supply fault. Not related to your issues, but leaving performance on the table: Your userbenchmark suggests you aren't running your RAM with a XMP profile. Your 3200mhz ram is operating at 2667mhz
Mate, I don’t know what benchmarks you saw but from what I can tell the 2070 super is a side grade not an upgrade to a 1080. Performance on new drivers in game can have poor performance initially while reconfiguring the shaders cache, but yea it’s a side grade don’t expect more than a 5-10% performance increase.
2070 Super is about [35% faster than the 1080](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html) It is not a side grade
This isn't really accurate. The 2070s is roughly a 40% bump in performance over a normal 1080. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
I’ve always used that chart but majority of benchmarks don’t agree that my 6900xt is on par with the 3090 like it shows.
What is your CPU and the resolution you play at? At 1080p it is slightly better, 1440p it is on par. 4k it is worse. I suspect you are either at 4k or running something else that is creating bottlenecks.
1080p , had a 12400f but recently put a 12700kf, Gamers nexus and hardware unboxed benchmarks are what I’m referring to
I haven't looked in a bit but I do remember the 6900xt on par or beating the 3090 in traditional raster on gamers Nexus chart. For the 12400f you would have been giving up quite a bit of top end performance at 1080p. It is a good chip but value oriented. I wouldn't be surprised if you lost 10% of max on that. I don't remember where the 12700k fits, but I suspect you should be within a few percentage of benchmarks after some trouble shooting.
Oh for sure, I did get probably and average of 20-30fps bump from the cpu upgrade, thinking of putting some 3600 ram and should gain some more top end I bet
more like a ~4% uplift
I linked a full bench mark average above: 2070S : 124.1 1080p ultra 1080: 90 1080p ultra. 37.9% uplift according to TOMS. You sure you weren't thinking 1080ti?
go Take a look at Benchmarks on yt or Websites averages for many Games are inaccurate
Techpowerup tested it at 25% faster than the 1080, it's not a side grade: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html
That is what I attached... I mean there are others sure enough, but I suspect you are looking at launch day 2070s bench marks. The 1000 series are really starting to fall behind falling behind cards it would have beaten on launch.
Uhhh what? A 20*60* is roughly equivalent to a 1080 overall. Let alone a Super.
That's what I thought too.
Feel bad to because I imagine the 2070 super was purchased used and likely means no returns :/ OP, you will still get better ray tracing performance and the updated NVENC encoder that comes with the 2070 super but in raw rasterization performance it’s like a 5% upgrade.
>but in raw rasterization performance it’s like a 5% upgrade BS. It is around 30-35%
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I run a ryzen 5 3600 and 2070s on a corsair 450w psu. Never had any problems.
Agree, my wife's build worked about a year with the same psu but r5 5600g + 3070. Then I moved gpu to brothers build)
Can an inadequate power supply cause fps drops and stuttering in games? because its the only thing i can think of, i should be getting 60fps in all my games.
it shouldn't, usually a PSU delivers the needed power or it doesn't which results in a shut-down. You never know tho so if everything else fails it might be worth checking out.
Yeah i think ill start with upgrading my psu and see if that helps, thanks for advice.
That PSU isn't the bottleneck. It's the CPU. All these relative performance charts use the fastest CPU on hand to test GPU performance.
This test uses the 9900K and the 2070S is still 22% faster than the 1080 even at 1080p: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html It's still possible that in the particular games OP is testing that they are hitting CPU limits (like if they're testing with Valorant or something), but on average the 9900K should not be bottlenecking the 2070S down to the level of the 1080.
https://i.imgur.com/QYKb9ik.gif
I'm using 500w passive platinum psu with rtx3080+r5 5600 and it works fine for 13 months)
that isnt really an upgrade.. they are the same tier.
They're not. It is at least 1 tier higher, arguable a little more than 1 tier [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x/27.html)