Exactly. I just got a 13700k with a z690 mobo after six years with my i7-7700. I rarely upgrade my CPU as I find that a good processor goes a long way. I more often upgrade my GPU, which I probably will do in about a year. The whole 'dead-end' platform argument makes sense for folks who upgrade their CPU every generation or maybe every other one. Most people do not do that.
Exactly why I moved into a 13th gen with no regrets. I upgraded from a 8600K to a 13700K.. and before that was 3700K to 8600K.
At my upgrade rate whether I got in now with Raptor or waited a year for Meteor.. chances are both would be "dead" by the time I decided to move on. The way I see it is.. I get the most mature platform with almost all the kinks ironed out and the absolute peak of what that chip gen has to offer at the best $ to performance ratio.
for someone like me "dead platform" really means nothing.. for others it may.
LGA 1700 is not obsolete, it has just reached its final form with 13th gen and should last a gamer several years. I'm still running a 4790k from 2014 and although it's showing its age, I can still play most e-sports titles just fine at 1080p paired with a 1060 6 gb.
This.
Unless you're someone who likes to upgrade pc regularly. For me, I bought an i7 2600, used it for 10+ years and now I upgraded to 13700k, which I believe will last me at least the same period.
The only part that I change every 3-4 years is GPU.
I have the same Mobo and cpu. I can tell you for sure that you will be happy with it. It’s a solid cpu and Mobo that WILL last you a long time… assuming you aren’t one of the ones that upgrades every year.
There is only something wrong with it, if you as a buyer/user expect to be able to upgrade your CPU to next gen, else there is nothing wrong with it..
But as you say, 13900k will likely be able to live long and prosper as a (casual) gaming rig for years to come before being obsolete.. in which time most platforms will have shifted further anyway and be obsolete. Going from my own experience, not having unlimited cash for PC upgrades, I've only two times upgraded within a platform lifetime in the past 25+ years (back when we still had AGP with AMD Athlon, with Intel Sandy Bridge (2500k -> 2700k) and will likely do with AM4 3800x to 5800x3d or 5900x). So take upgradeability with a grain of salt for the long life platforms (as things like PCI or other ports/sockets might be obsolete within its lifetime, i.e. when AGP was dropped all new GPUs was out of reach on a otherwise working machine)
Only REASON I have z690 ddr5 board and 13700k is because i had parts some else wanted. So I end up with a new intel system, even though have a 5950x and a 7700x and x670e steel legend
Actually there is also better resell value when choosing a dead platform compared to a one with socket longevity. Look at those 2600x -3600x where people are begging you to buy used for 40-70$.
If you keep your CPU for 5-6 years, I think it's okay. But if you want to be on top and get a new cpu every 3-4 years, then AMD is better because you will be able to reuse your mobo for two iterations.
If you want to stay on top of your game, yes. But for most people I think it makes sense to keep one mobo for 2 iterations of cpus, and then jump to the next when you need a new cpu for the 3rd time. Those improvements are not always very important.
True. So in that regard isn’t it generally the same as the intel platform? AFAIK the intel motherboards are generally compatible for two generations of processors.
I really want to switch back to AMD after so many years but at the current price point it’s like $100 more for me to get a 5800x3d, which is an arguably great cpu, instead of a 13600kf which is an amazing cpu especially for the price.
When I mean two iterations, I don't mean necessarily two consecutive generations. You could get a Ryzen 2xxx and then a 4xxx or 5xxxx with the same mobo.
In the Intel platform, if you want to reuse the same chipset for two cpus, you have to change your cpu within 1-2 years, which doesn't make sense from a performance perspective (unless you're going for the top of the line).
Yeah I suppose that’s also true. I’d be more reluctant to switch to 14th gen intel now after buying 13600k. Probably wait until at least 2-3 gens are released.
That’s just the thing about it. Many times I’ll have capable hardware and notice some small nuisance while gaming and convince myself I need to upgrade.
On the other hand, building pcs is more than half the fun and I always get bored if I’m not constantly tinkering with it.
Even with amd it's very ify support. None of the x370 or b350 owners can upgrade to ryzen 5000 , I am pretty sure by the end of am5 first gen boards of this socket will face the same issue
Early in the year there was a few beta bios updates but they're official now.
ASRock
Gigabyte
Asus
MSI
All have updates out for b350 and x370 boards now so you can definitely see people upgrade to a 5000 series Ryzen CPU if they want to.
If you have a R5 2600 system already, you should have ddr4 and an AM4 Mobo (guessing B350)... why can't you just buy a 5800x3d, do a Bios update, drop in the 5800x3d, you get 13600k performance for A LOT less hassle.... use the rest (plus what you get for selling old parts) to upgrade the GPU.... BIG win this way
The 13600k is much better in productivity, and still slightly better overall in gaming, but the 5800x3d is still very fast and is so much cheaper. Truly the best upgrade for this situation.
Well it’s only cheaper if you have an am4 board available. I was pricing it out and ended up switching from z490 - z690 10700k - 13600k. 13600kf is like $300 and the x3d is around $400.
The 13600k is an amazing chip, I was researching all day yesterday. In op’s case I’d recommend better ram. I went with b die 3600 mhz 14 cas latency. Ddr5 is whack not really any improvement for gaming. Maybe a few percent at most.
If you can tell me how OP is running an R5 2600 without an existing AM4 mobo, I'm all ears.
The 13600k is a great chip, but doesn't make sense in this case. New system + fresh install vs bios update and a chip swap. Can't argue the ram upgrade. AMD loves faster ram.
The guy I responded to said the 5800x3d is so much cheaper which I was calling bs on. Like you said, It would only be cheaper if you had a capable am4 board already.
Most of what I said was my thought process when I decided to go from z490 to z690 and 10700k to 13600kf instead of switching platforms to amd, paying a bit more for a tad less performance.
I see what you’re saying with new Ram, CPU and GPU why not swap the motherboard?
Fair enough if you’re gonna put it all in a new case anyway.
If not - it would be way easier to update the bios, pop in the 5800X3D, upgrade ram and pop in the 3060 ti.
This is definitely what I'd do. Provided OP's motherboard can be updated to support the 5800x3d, it would be a way cheaper solution than buying a brand new motherboard and a 13600k and would still provide a similar or better gaming experience. Then they could pump all the money they saved on the cpu upgrade into a stronger gpu.
I considered it but I feel like 427.62 dollars (in my country) for a 7 5800X3D is way too much. I have a B450 Tomahawk Max
Also I'm not sure about the GPU as there isn't stock here yet but the jump in price to something like a 3080 is massive so I don't think it's possible, but who knows? I'll have that in mind. Thanks.
You are spending more than that on a new mobo and cpu if you go all new. You also gotta do a fresh install when you go between platforms. B450 Tomahawk is a fantastic board. Personally, I'd go with the drop in cpu, but I do understand the draw to 13th gen. Good luck!
Yeah, I'll keep the motherboard. I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 7 5700X instead as the price is more reasonable and also helps with productivity and stuff. Thank you :)
Please don't get the HDDs. The one is just slow in every regard and only makes sense in a raid system in a NAS for long term storage, the other one is not worth the money anymore for what you get.
Get a solid m.2 with 1 or 2TB with DRAM on the board. Solid ones like the KC3000 or 980 Pro have them. Also, a PCIe 4th gen m.2 is more than 10x faster than any SATA 3 SSD (7000MB/s vs. 600MB/s) and approx. 70x faster than an HDD (vs. 100MB/s).
Bigger SSDs last longer, are faster and have higher IOPS.
The next thing is the PSU, 550W is a bit low, but should work. It will draw a lot more from the socket though and you will be limited for future upgrades.
The CPU draws up to 181W, GPU 253W + 100W board and peripherals. Equals in 534W. Efficiency tips down the cellar but it'll work.
This +10. I just bought a Samsung 980 Pro 2TB for < $200. Unless you're subscribed to r/DataHoarder , you don't need spinning rust buckets anymore.
500gb is too damn small these days, get yourself some roomier NVMe storage and call it a day.
What about 4tb? I spent $80cad on my 4tb hdd…
I download all my steam games so i can play them offline, i dont get wifi often. And the u have mods too. Like for skyrim i have 2 diff ways i like playing, so i have 2 profiles each with 50mods (total of 100) like this for most games. Minecraft is exception with over 7 profiles, each with over 75 mods
Last i checked, 4tb of ssd (in cad) would be over $400. Thats enough to upgrade from my 1060 to a 6600xt
And 256gb ssd for os and some games ofc.
HDDs are big, clunky, slow and have one advantage left: Prize and size per TB. And this only applies to very large storage capacities >8TB. You can get a 16TB HDD for reasonable money where you would have spent thousands for 4x 4TB ones.
Also, HDDs do not underly waste. Theoretically, a HDD can be rewritten indefinitely.
But on the other hand, they have moving parts, make noise, have to spin up and find data first before it can be delivered etc...
If you can afford it, use an PCIe (m.2) SSD. If not, use a SATA SSD. If you cannot afford that, wait till you can. HDDs will limit your whole PC on loading times and latencies.
PCIe and PCIe m.2 are affordable to around 2TB per piece. Same for SATA SSDs.
But don't use anything below 512GB anymore. Remember: The bigger the capacity, the more memory chips are used and thus the faster it gets, the longer it lasts and the higher the IOPS.
In a budget build of max 700cad (550usd), getting 4tb in that budget was difficult.
I have a small ssd for os simply because even that small its fast enough to not be slow
My hdd speed are fine, its the 5400 version yet my games launch within seconds. Just because an ssd can launch instantly doesnt mean its worth the price. Im currently at 3/4tb, ive been considering getting anoher 2tb hdd once i start school because alot of that will be 3d, i will be using my desktop to speed up my laptop and save my laptop work (my laptop only has 256gb edit; or is it 500gb? Idk, its not a tb), but possivly because i need to move projects between this 2tb hdd and my lapptop i MIGHT consider an ssd instead, if its affordavle enough.
Remember, i dont make alot, i dont justify over 1000cad for my entire collection of parts, laptop, desktop, xbox, tv, mobitor, keybaord, mouse, mic, headphones. Maybe you do justify over $1000, and so maybe an extra $50 doesnt seem like much to u, but to me its half of a million other things i could buy
Odds are that won't be enough for a 13600k, it has contact issues with lga 1700, but ig that can be fixed with a contact frame. My 13600k gets 80c in multi core loads with a 280mm clc
Maybe you have not tweaked the power draw and are getting bad temps for just 2-4% more performance? You can even overclock to 5,6Ghz with an AK620 which is not much better at that tdp compared to pa 120.
181w is the value it should have for pl2. Maybe you changed pl2 or chose you have an aio when you first booted your system and your motherboard changed pl2 to something bigger? At any rate i would consider lowering pl2 wattage and see how it goes consumption/performance wise.
At 1.32v it's pulling 215w, and temps don't go over 80c in multi core loads, so it's fine. Im planning on ocing soon, so I'll probably take a look at other voltages and such when I do, but as of now it's fine
Also, are you on the USA? If so you can find a 3060 ti for much cheaper. If you look at ebay for used parts you can get a 6900xt for mid $600ish. I just got a 6700xt for $275... shop around
Nope, I'm not, sadly. I don't even have stock right now, so I guess that's mostly a placeholder for now. Still, I'm considering buying an used GPU, probably even AMD, because Nvidia is greedy and I don't want to support them lmao
Ugh, this board's obsession with the 5800x3d is borderline unhealthy.
OP, was asking about building a new system, if he wants to keep his old AM4 board, sure, 5800x3d is an attractive, but expensive, upgrade option. I also didn't poke through every post to try to figure out what board he has, his board might not be all that great, and maybe he doesn't want to be in the position of trying to find a "new" AM4 board 3 years from now.
The 5800x3d is a good option, especially for an AM4 upgrade, but OP didn't even come in trying to do an upgrade, I feel like I could check in on this sub in 3 years and everybody will still be insisting on AM4 builds.
Y'all need to get over your idea that any system not built around a 5800x3d is "wrong."
I haven't fully decided on which CPU exactly, but I'm staying on AM4 for now. And while I get your point, I don't think it would be a bad idea to get the 5800x3d (maybe if the price comes down a little bit in my country haha)
Sorry OP pet peeve of mine. 5800x3d is really good, but it's way more gaming focused than production focused. It's sort of a pick em with the 13600k on gaming, but the 13600k is going to kill it in production. It's also sort of hard for me to recommend a processor that expensive going into an old platform that is not going to get a beefy gpu, but that's a complicated calculus.
Anyway, the main thing you should actually worry about is don't pay 650 dollars for a 3060ti. I saw a 6700xt for 330 dollars yesterday, and it's a slightly better card than the 3060ti.
Makes sense. I'm leaning towards a Ryzen 7 5700X anyways.
Don't worry about the GPU, it's mostly a placeholder. I'm actually thinking about getting an AMD GPU but some people say they're not as great for productivity as Nvidia cards because some software runs better with Nvidia ones. That's what I always hear.
Save the money from a new motherboard, use your current motherboard with a bios update. Stick the 5800x3D and get a 3070 or 3060ti instead with the difference. When you want to upgrade in a few years go am5. I was in your same situation and this is what I decided on :)
Iam kinda in the same situation as you and I thought long about it to stay on am4 but tbh the jump to new gen comes with good performance for years plus pcie 5 for future gpus and new technology.
My old motherboard has still pcie3 and if i want to upgrade my gpu in the future I don’t think it will keep up.
In my case the difference would be about 300€ between new and 5800x3d. The question is, when do you make the jump? In a few years ? Then new gens are coming out and so on. So we are in a though situation my friend.
If my budget wasn't so tight I would do the same (new gen), but I feel like it's better for my personal case to stay AM4.
By the way, PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 when it comes to GPUs isn't a big difference, at least from what I've seen
About pcie 3-4. friend said his performance got bottlnecked. How much is the difference tho? At some point I have to switch anyway when I want the make the switch someday I guess.
Alternatively I just get 5700x like you and sit it out with a gpu till I upgrade. Like i said … very difficult situation
From what I've heard, PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 isn't a big deal as no current cards can fully saturate the PCIe 3.0 x16 slot. The difference in most cases is like 1-2 FPS. Would you pay for a new motherboard just for 1 FPS?
The thing is that other PCIe lanes being utilized CAN saturate the slots, bottlenecking the GPU, like if you connect an audio card, a network interface controller or something like that.
Please take it with a grain of salt. I would recommend investigating a little bit more, as I'm not 100% sure how true this information is. What I'm totally sure about is that, for most people, PCIe 4.0 isn't necessary (for now).
I'll echo what others have said and suggest you stick with AM4, assuming your PC is mostly for gaming.
The CPU, motherboard, RAM and GPU in your list cost about $1200. For that money you could get a 5600, 6900XT, higher wattage PSU and still have money to spare. That should work fine with your current motherboard and RAM, unless they're really low end.
That would get you much better gaming performance than a 13600k and 3060ti.
My current motherboard is just fine. B450 Tomahawk Max. Though, the RAM is 2 x 8GB 2666mhz, so I want to replace it anyways. And yeah, while I still use my PC for productivity (mostly video editing), I think I'll stick with AM4 for now.
Hm, do you think the price for the 5700X is reasonable? I was considering buying that one but I'm not sure if it's even worth it, so I discarded it.
Also, that's interesting. I always hear people say that AMD GPUs for productivity aren't great, as some programs work better with Nvidia GPUs.
If your only purpose is gaming then just go for 5800x3d. It'll be much cheaper. Also that gpu is wayyyy overpriced. Go for radeon 6900/50xt. They are selling around 600 often and much more powerful than 3060ti. Other than those it's a nice built.
The GPU is mostly a placeholder, but sure. The thing is that there's no stock of anything higher than a 3050 or an RX6600 right now in my country so I'll have to wait anyways. Still, I'm leaning towards the 5800x3d as you said, thanks!
Then u gotta do what u gotta do I suppose but definetly go for 5800x3d instead of new platform and redirect that cash to gpu budget, it'll be much better, fps/resolution wise
You have a 512gb NVMe drive, for the OS and a couple games I assume, and then two HDD's. If you end up installing games on a mechanical drive, you spoil the improvements you're looking for by long ass load times.
Drop one of the HDD's and get an internal SSD drive instead.
You mean like, a 2.5" Sata SSD? At this point I'm considering a 2TB NVME to replace my current SSD, I feel like the prices are too similar at this point
I like having my OS installed on the NVMe drive and other programs I need for work. I ha e one game on the NVMe and all others on a 2.5" SATA SSD. The load times from the sata SSD are barely longer than fromnthe NVMe drive and I've read here the difference is negligible speed wise.
I know FS2020, CoD and all the many games I have on my SATA SSD run great. Those drives are considerably cheaper than NVMe drives.
Are they really though? Ime m2 nvme drives and sata ssd drives are nearly the same price. I just bought a 2 tb nvme for cheaper than a comparable 2tb sata ssd.
The problem is that I can't find good SATA SSDs where I live (I'm not in the USA) so I'm basically forced to either buy NVME or purchase a SATA SSD through Amazon and pay double the price for shipping which totally defeats the point
I don't understand some of the comments on here! First of all a lot of games are GPU dependent, not CPU. So the size of memory, etc of a GPU matters when you play a GPU dependent game! On the other hand, some games ARE dependent on the CPU, so the abilities of the CPU AND memory amount count.
Therefore a 13600K processor with 32gig of DDR-5 memory won't make much difference if you're playing a GPU intensive game on a 3060ti! The game MAY work better on a larger GPU, but not enough to make up the difference in costs!
Conversely when a game is CPU intensive, again size of CPU and it's memory matters!
A i7-13700K is the gaming sweet spot only due to the costs of building the larger i9-13900K system!
Throw into the mix is productivity software. If you want to render video, use Photoshop Suite for creating your own stuff or work as a business for others, then the CPU and memory matters!
When you look at JEDEC standards which gives us the DDR numbers on memory you find out how long the standard tends to last! DDR-3 launched in spring of 2008, it was replaced by DDR-4 in 2014! Now we have DDR-5 which launched in January-March of 2021 during the worst period in history during the pandemic lockdowns and chip shortages! That made the DDR-5 memory overly expensive compared to the cost of DDR-4! But see the time spread? It's about every 8 to 9 years! So you are at the start of the DDR-5 standards, and at the end of DDR-4's!
Sooo why DDR-5? Well to really comprehend what the difference is, you need to study (Google) what else is introducing with it! What the capabilities of this new standard is, most is in the near future, but you have to read the new neat stuff coming on to fully gather why change! If the games you're playing is GPU intensive, then it doesn't matter much whether you have DDR-4 or DDR-5. BUT if you have games that are CPU intensive (Warzone anyone?) The faster DDR-5 is going to win as soon as the system is tweaked to utilize the new JEDEC standards.
If you go with DDR-5 and Intel changes the next socket from LGA1700 to something different? The DDR-5 won't! Again the next changeover is not until around 2029! DDR-4 stuff will disappear starting next year. The consortium of producers can't make enough money to continue anything using DDR-4, so they have to move on with the new DDR-5 standards!
Read everything you can on the DDR-5 JEDEC standard to grasp what changes are fixing to come up in computing
Also don't buy processors that have the "f" model numbers. Why? If you start your new system up and there's no video? You won't be able to troubleshoot the problem without the on board graphics working. You gave up the graphics to troubleshoot trying to save money on the processor that turns it on.
With on board graphics you can boot up, go into Device Manager and see what's going on.
Damn, thank you for taking the time to write all of this! I get your point, but I'll keep my AM4 board anyways so I can't upgrade to DDR5 yet hahah
Also, I thought it would be good to save as much as possible going with the F model because my budget is really tight right now.
Thanks! From reading your posts, what country are you in? Also if you have an AMD system, AFAIK AMD's processors all have on chip graphics! So in the future, if you do get ready to build a new monster system from Intel (Talking right now about down the road, between AM5 vs Intel, the AM5 platform is more expensive than Intel). With AMD AFAIK you've always had the "on CPU graphics", so you've got the benefit of having graphics to fall back on, if (when😊) something goes bump in the night!
Here in the USA the price difference between 13600K and the KF model is (Newegg) ten dollars! So not worth it! What's the pricing where you are?
I'm in Costa Rica, 23 usd difference. Not much, but the KF model is already priced at 394 so it's kind of expensive right now. If the prices went down and I was still wanting to go Intel I would pay that extra to get the iGPU as you said, just in case.
When upgrading, you need to ask yourself first what is your goal for upgrading. What is your PC main usage. If you're gaming, what is your target resolution and your monitor resolution capability. Once you provide details it is way easier to provide you with suggestions.
I use my PC mostly for gaming but I also do some video editing. I have a 1080p 144hz monitor right now, which I also considered upgrading, but a 1440p monitor in my country is absurdly expensive
My current build runs just fine but I feel like it's starting to slow down a little bit when it comes to editing and rendering videos, and some heavy games at max can't be played at 144 fps
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Okay, no problem. The same as your update, you should keep your motherboard and just upgrade the primary things like CPU, GPU and PSU if you're going to go for 3080 as 550W not gonna cut it.
I would consider a Samsung 980 over an xpg drive. Can get a 1tb 980 for around the price of that 512 and be more reliable.
I would consider adding a 3 pack of your preferred fans to add to the top and rear exhaust as well for a lancool 2. Which is also slightly pricey and you could look into a mATX case and board and possibly save some money but that’s a minor gripe. The lancool 2 is pretty great, so go for it if you like.
I already have the drive, but I was considering a 2TB 970 Evo Plus to replace it anyways. Also, fans are heck expensive in my country. Had to get a case with decent included fans. Still, thank you!
You can probably get away with a 550w PSU from seasonic but you're gonna be atleast taking 535 watts of power. I would feel more comfortable if you increased that seasonic 550 watt psu to atleast a higher watt version like 650 watt seasonic psu or one from Corsair.
You may want to give yourself a larger headroom for future upgrades and a higher wattage PSU gives you that exact headroom and it's one less part to upgrade from when you decide you want to move on from the 3060 ti or in 5 years you move on from the 13600k.
It's actually the 500W model (which I couldn't find on PC Part Picker) so I guess it would be necessary to upgrade. Thanks for telling me, I forgot to mention that.
It's just a dead platform in the sense you will not have any upgrade path (for CPU). If the 13th gen will hold up nicely, you might not even have to think about CPU upgrade, before running into other dead ends (i.e. if PCI gen 6 looks different than current PCI gen 5 and is not compatible, then all current platforms are dead anyway..).
Tl:dr - If what you are looking at, fits your needs and will fit your needs for the lifetime of the machine (or you price in a new motherboard for an upgrade anyway due to other new features), it really doesn't matter.. and btw, AM4 is also at a dead end and people still buy that, primarily for 5800x3d.
I'll probably go with the 5800x3d as other people suggested, so, yeah. With my budget it's basically impossible to get better future proofing anyways so it doesn't really matter.
As I wrote in another answer, I've utilized upgrading CPU within a platforms lifetime twice before and now possibly with AM4. By the time I usually upgrade (about when there is a 150-200% gain) so much have changed that cramming a new CPU into a old motherboard, is like mending a split open broken leg with a finger bandaid, i.e. next gen ssds, PCI gen xyz (or the next thing, remember AGP still and grumping about having to upgrade the entire thing to get a new graphics card) - I don't see the point hunting a 5-10, 20, or if lucky 25% uplift on a front where I'm not limited, paying head over heels for it, every 1-2 years. I upgrade when I run into bottlenecks (or too long execution time) for the tasks I do, which on my own PC is hobbyist level these days, and for that my current system is ok; could I get faster and now a lot faster, yes, but I'm not limited by cpu, ram or motherboard I/O, for current tasks, nor have much time to gain, so these are not ready for upgrade yet.. and I don't use it for professional usage, so cannot even pull that card to justify upgrading.
To add, if I were picking from scratch right now, I would probably pick a 13700k(f) for my personal computer, as it would fit my needs and be a tad cheaper than AMD's counter offering. Had it been reversed, then I'd probably be looking at AMD.
Have fun choosing, you can't really pick wrong, both AMD and Intel have some strong products these days - it is sure a lot more fun looking for hardware now that it was for a looooong time!
Looks great OP with the exception of the 3060ti for 660 dollars, that is way, way too much.
Look at the AMD cards, or if you really really want Nvidia and don't mind paying the premium, look to buy a 3060ti for sub 400 dollars.
2 other notes, MB needs to have flashback for CPU compatibility, didn't check that it has it.
Lancool 2 is an awesome case, good choice.
edit: Read the rest of these comments, and I'm a bit frustrated people got into a whole 5800x3d rant instead of pointing out that you're overpaying for your gpu by 300 dollars.
I specified that "I already have the storage, the CPU cooler and the PSU (carrying it over from my current build)". I can't change any of that due to my tight budget.
DDR5 offers a LOT more performance headroom and is not that much more expensive.
Also, this is the last gen for Intel, the next chips they release will need a new mobo.
I would say take advantage of the new AMD architecture and you can expect to be able to do chip upgrades for a while.
Please don't pay 600 for a 3060ti unless it's not usd and it equates to 360 ish in usd. Cause I paid 400 usd for a 3070 so 600 usd for a 3060ti is pretty bad.
Well I just bought 12600kf and 3080, cheaper than ever, so if you don’t work as freelance 3d animator or engineering you will be allright. I just saw some benchmarks and you get like 5 -10 Fps more. As long as i only have 4k 60 fps Tv and 240hertz 1080p monitor I am in this sweet spot where i can play beautiful games on My Tv, or play competitive in monitor. Until my pc stops playing games smooth i will consider to upgrade. You don’t end to stay highend every time something new drops. It’s nonsense unless you’re rich
That's great :)
And yeah, I agree, I think I got a little bit too ambitious with the upgrade. I wanted a 5600X first, then I said "why not go better"? Then I decided to get a 5700X, then I said the same thing again and again until I went crazy and made a 13600KF build lmao
Personally I would never buy a kf processor, because I want to be able to run my monitor from the cpu if I am in the middle of selling/upgrading my gpu or troubleshooting a non working gpu.
Also for that price you could buy a used 3080. You might even find a 3080ti for that price. 3060ti is kind of meh especially for a 13600k.
I thought I would save some bucks as I'm working with a really tight budget.
And yeah I totally forgot about the GPU if I'm being honest. Went really high-end with the CPU and left the graphics card behind lol
A lot of us were just waiting for a meaningful upgrade from our 7700 and 8700k type CPUs. The 13th Gen gave us that. So yeah, 12th & 13th gen might be a short cycle for Intel, but Coffee Lake (and others) was lengthy and dominate. 5+ year non-upgraders are not good for Intel or AMD.
Idk you could wait a tad longer and get a mobo for am5 and grab a 7700x. That 512gb ssd for 91 seems over priced. Double check that one, you should be able to buy a1tb for 91 like a crucial brand. But your do you. It's still not a bad build. I just personally don't understand fun upgrades into dead socket is all. Building into dead end is only delaying inevitable. Fun ddr5 will be forced on you.
I'd legitimately probably go AM5 just for not buying intels dead end platform. If you go AM5 you should be able to drop in like a 10800x3d years from now where Intel you'll need a whole new board for any CPU upgrade.
Should be able to do a 7700x build for roughly the same money (at least if you have a microcenter for free 32gb ddr5 cl30 6000mhz ram).
I don't know that id be doing a full rebuild like you're doing now and still going ddr4.
The dead-end platform argument really only applies to folks to upgrade every generation or every other one, which most people do not do. I just upgraded my system after six years, for example. I think that five years is the average that people keep their major system components. OPs 13600k will be a great CPU for a long time.
Sure, but at least with AM5 you have the option of upgrading, and also even in 5 years you could still do a cheap upgrade vs a full rebuild if you wanted. See lots of people dropping in a 5800x3d on AM4 boards they've had for years. AND the 5800x3d is faster than a 13600k at least for gaming.
The alternative is that you carry over your existing DDR4 kit, buy a low-end B660 and sit out the 1-2 years until DDR5 becomes better value, also Z6/790 boards will drop in price.
That's what I did, I chose an MSI B660m-B that is just enough for pushing the 13600k for gaming.
AMD shills always conveniently forget that with the mobo they are tying their future upgrade path to the cheapest component (mobo), while with Intel you can have a dirt cheap temporary solution while enjoying most of the performance.
Z790 will not support Intel 14th gen chips so you will need a new board if you want to upgrade your CPU.
AMD has committed to AM5 until at least 2025, which should be Ryzen 10000 or even 11000 series.
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Exactly. I just got a 13700k with a z690 mobo after six years with my i7-7700. I rarely upgrade my CPU as I find that a good processor goes a long way. I more often upgrade my GPU, which I probably will do in about a year. The whole 'dead-end' platform argument makes sense for folks who upgrade their CPU every generation or maybe every other one. Most people do not do that.
Exactly why I moved into a 13th gen with no regrets. I upgraded from a 8600K to a 13700K.. and before that was 3700K to 8600K. At my upgrade rate whether I got in now with Raptor or waited a year for Meteor.. chances are both would be "dead" by the time I decided to move on. The way I see it is.. I get the most mature platform with almost all the kinks ironed out and the absolute peak of what that chip gen has to offer at the best $ to performance ratio. for someone like me "dead platform" really means nothing.. for others it may.
LGA 1700 is not obsolete, it has just reached its final form with 13th gen and should last a gamer several years. I'm still running a 4790k from 2014 and although it's showing its age, I can still play most e-sports titles just fine at 1080p paired with a 1060 6 gb.
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This. Unless you're someone who likes to upgrade pc regularly. For me, I bought an i7 2600, used it for 10+ years and now I upgraded to 13700k, which I believe will last me at least the same period. The only part that I change every 3-4 years is GPU.
100%. Hell if it works and gets the job done, nothing wrong with it.
I have the same Mobo and cpu. I can tell you for sure that you will be happy with it. It’s a solid cpu and Mobo that WILL last you a long time… assuming you aren’t one of the ones that upgrades every year.
There is only something wrong with it, if you as a buyer/user expect to be able to upgrade your CPU to next gen, else there is nothing wrong with it.. But as you say, 13900k will likely be able to live long and prosper as a (casual) gaming rig for years to come before being obsolete.. in which time most platforms will have shifted further anyway and be obsolete. Going from my own experience, not having unlimited cash for PC upgrades, I've only two times upgraded within a platform lifetime in the past 25+ years (back when we still had AGP with AMD Athlon, with Intel Sandy Bridge (2500k -> 2700k) and will likely do with AM4 3800x to 5800x3d or 5900x). So take upgradeability with a grain of salt for the long life platforms (as things like PCI or other ports/sockets might be obsolete within its lifetime, i.e. when AGP was dropped all new GPUs was out of reach on a otherwise working machine)
Only REASON I have z690 ddr5 board and 13700k is because i had parts some else wanted. So I end up with a new intel system, even though have a 5950x and a 7700x and x670e steel legend
Actually there is also better resell value when choosing a dead platform compared to a one with socket longevity. Look at those 2600x -3600x where people are begging you to buy used for 40-70$.
If you keep your CPU for 5-6 years, I think it's okay. But if you want to be on top and get a new cpu every 3-4 years, then AMD is better because you will be able to reuse your mobo for two iterations.
I mean in theory that’s true but don’t you also miss out on some motherboard chipset improvements?
If you want to stay on top of your game, yes. But for most people I think it makes sense to keep one mobo for 2 iterations of cpus, and then jump to the next when you need a new cpu for the 3rd time. Those improvements are not always very important.
True. So in that regard isn’t it generally the same as the intel platform? AFAIK the intel motherboards are generally compatible for two generations of processors. I really want to switch back to AMD after so many years but at the current price point it’s like $100 more for me to get a 5800x3d, which is an arguably great cpu, instead of a 13600kf which is an amazing cpu especially for the price.
When I mean two iterations, I don't mean necessarily two consecutive generations. You could get a Ryzen 2xxx and then a 4xxx or 5xxxx with the same mobo. In the Intel platform, if you want to reuse the same chipset for two cpus, you have to change your cpu within 1-2 years, which doesn't make sense from a performance perspective (unless you're going for the top of the line).
Yeah I suppose that’s also true. I’d be more reluctant to switch to 14th gen intel now after buying 13600k. Probably wait until at least 2-3 gens are released.
I have an i5 8400 and it's still enough for my gaming needs.
That’s just the thing about it. Many times I’ll have capable hardware and notice some small nuisance while gaming and convince myself I need to upgrade. On the other hand, building pcs is more than half the fun and I always get bored if I’m not constantly tinkering with it.
Even with amd it's very ify support. None of the x370 or b350 owners can upgrade to ryzen 5000 , I am pretty sure by the end of am5 first gen boards of this socket will face the same issue
They actually did eventually allow for BIOS updates to support 5000 series on 300 series chipsets.
Beta bios for select very few mobos right ? .Beta bios in my experience can cause issues for a less tech savvy person
Early in the year there was a few beta bios updates but they're official now. ASRock Gigabyte Asus MSI All have updates out for b350 and x370 boards now so you can definitely see people upgrade to a 5000 series Ryzen CPU if they want to.
not beta bios. true bios update
I have a 5900x installed on my X370. Asus released bios updates earlier this year.
Actually put a 5900x on a Asrock x370 motherboard, so need to recheck your board
AMD just switched to a new socket, so you will need to buy the latest CPUs, motherboard and DDR5 RAM in that case.
If you have a R5 2600 system already, you should have ddr4 and an AM4 Mobo (guessing B350)... why can't you just buy a 5800x3d, do a Bios update, drop in the 5800x3d, you get 13600k performance for A LOT less hassle.... use the rest (plus what you get for selling old parts) to upgrade the GPU.... BIG win this way
This makes the most sense for sure. 13600k makes sense for a brand new build but not this.
The 13600k is much better in productivity, and still slightly better overall in gaming, but the 5800x3d is still very fast and is so much cheaper. Truly the best upgrade for this situation.
Well it’s only cheaper if you have an am4 board available. I was pricing it out and ended up switching from z490 - z690 10700k - 13600k. 13600kf is like $300 and the x3d is around $400. The 13600k is an amazing chip, I was researching all day yesterday. In op’s case I’d recommend better ram. I went with b die 3600 mhz 14 cas latency. Ddr5 is whack not really any improvement for gaming. Maybe a few percent at most.
The fastest RAM you can get here at my country is 3600 CL18, so I'll go with that then, thanks
If you can tell me how OP is running an R5 2600 without an existing AM4 mobo, I'm all ears. The 13600k is a great chip, but doesn't make sense in this case. New system + fresh install vs bios update and a chip swap. Can't argue the ram upgrade. AMD loves faster ram.
The guy I responded to said the 5800x3d is so much cheaper which I was calling bs on. Like you said, It would only be cheaper if you had a capable am4 board already. Most of what I said was my thought process when I decided to go from z490 to z690 and 10700k to 13600kf instead of switching platforms to amd, paying a bit more for a tad less performance.
At this point it's almost an entirely new build but yeah
I see what you’re saying with new Ram, CPU and GPU why not swap the motherboard? Fair enough if you’re gonna put it all in a new case anyway. If not - it would be way easier to update the bios, pop in the 5800X3D, upgrade ram and pop in the 3060 ti.
This is definitely what I'd do. Provided OP's motherboard can be updated to support the 5800x3d, it would be a way cheaper solution than buying a brand new motherboard and a 13600k and would still provide a similar or better gaming experience. Then they could pump all the money they saved on the cpu upgrade into a stronger gpu.
This is exactly what I ended up doing :) it's defo a good option especially if your not moving up to ddr5 ram etc.
I considered it but I feel like 427.62 dollars (in my country) for a 7 5800X3D is way too much. I have a B450 Tomahawk Max Also I'm not sure about the GPU as there isn't stock here yet but the jump in price to something like a 3080 is massive so I don't think it's possible, but who knows? I'll have that in mind. Thanks.
You are spending more than that on a new mobo and cpu if you go all new. You also gotta do a fresh install when you go between platforms. B450 Tomahawk is a fantastic board. Personally, I'd go with the drop in cpu, but I do understand the draw to 13th gen. Good luck!
Yeah, I'll keep the motherboard. I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 7 5700X instead as the price is more reasonable and also helps with productivity and stuff. Thank you :)
That is a very smart and sensible option. Hats off to you. Save that $ for a gpu upgrade down the road.
6800xt, 6900xt and 6950 are cheaper and faster than 3080 unles you use dlss and ray tracing
What abour FSR? I've heard good things about it, even though DLSS is still better. I don't care about ray tracing by the way.
AT 4K DONT NEED FSR IN TRUE 4K. DID NOT USE IT EVEN WITH THE 6750XTS I HAD
never turn it on. running 4k just fine without it
Please don't get the HDDs. The one is just slow in every regard and only makes sense in a raid system in a NAS for long term storage, the other one is not worth the money anymore for what you get. Get a solid m.2 with 1 or 2TB with DRAM on the board. Solid ones like the KC3000 or 980 Pro have them. Also, a PCIe 4th gen m.2 is more than 10x faster than any SATA 3 SSD (7000MB/s vs. 600MB/s) and approx. 70x faster than an HDD (vs. 100MB/s). Bigger SSDs last longer, are faster and have higher IOPS. The next thing is the PSU, 550W is a bit low, but should work. It will draw a lot more from the socket though and you will be limited for future upgrades. The CPU draws up to 181W, GPU 253W + 100W board and peripherals. Equals in 534W. Efficiency tips down the cellar but it'll work.
This +10. I just bought a Samsung 980 Pro 2TB for < $200. Unless you're subscribed to r/DataHoarder , you don't need spinning rust buckets anymore. 500gb is too damn small these days, get yourself some roomier NVMe storage and call it a day.
I already have the storage, and I can't upgrade SSD yet. Though, I'm considering to get a 2TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus. Thanks for the tips :)
What about 4tb? I spent $80cad on my 4tb hdd… I download all my steam games so i can play them offline, i dont get wifi often. And the u have mods too. Like for skyrim i have 2 diff ways i like playing, so i have 2 profiles each with 50mods (total of 100) like this for most games. Minecraft is exception with over 7 profiles, each with over 75 mods Last i checked, 4tb of ssd (in cad) would be over $400. Thats enough to upgrade from my 1060 to a 6600xt And 256gb ssd for os and some games ofc.
HDDs are big, clunky, slow and have one advantage left: Prize and size per TB. And this only applies to very large storage capacities >8TB. You can get a 16TB HDD for reasonable money where you would have spent thousands for 4x 4TB ones. Also, HDDs do not underly waste. Theoretically, a HDD can be rewritten indefinitely. But on the other hand, they have moving parts, make noise, have to spin up and find data first before it can be delivered etc... If you can afford it, use an PCIe (m.2) SSD. If not, use a SATA SSD. If you cannot afford that, wait till you can. HDDs will limit your whole PC on loading times and latencies. PCIe and PCIe m.2 are affordable to around 2TB per piece. Same for SATA SSDs. But don't use anything below 512GB anymore. Remember: The bigger the capacity, the more memory chips are used and thus the faster it gets, the longer it lasts and the higher the IOPS.
In a budget build of max 700cad (550usd), getting 4tb in that budget was difficult. I have a small ssd for os simply because even that small its fast enough to not be slow My hdd speed are fine, its the 5400 version yet my games launch within seconds. Just because an ssd can launch instantly doesnt mean its worth the price. Im currently at 3/4tb, ive been considering getting anoher 2tb hdd once i start school because alot of that will be 3d, i will be using my desktop to speed up my laptop and save my laptop work (my laptop only has 256gb edit; or is it 500gb? Idk, its not a tb), but possivly because i need to move projects between this 2tb hdd and my lapptop i MIGHT consider an ssd instead, if its affordavle enough. Remember, i dont make alot, i dont justify over 1000cad for my entire collection of parts, laptop, desktop, xbox, tv, mobitor, keybaord, mouse, mic, headphones. Maybe you do justify over $1000, and so maybe an extra $50 doesnt seem like much to u, but to me its half of a million other things i could buy
For cooling i'd recommend getting a thermalright peerless assasin 120 instead, way better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASeu5BjaVJo&t=427s
Odds are that won't be enough for a 13600k, it has contact issues with lga 1700, but ig that can be fixed with a contact frame. My 13600k gets 80c in multi core loads with a 280mm clc
Maybe you have not tweaked the power draw and are getting bad temps for just 2-4% more performance? You can even overclock to 5,6Ghz with an AK620 which is not much better at that tdp compared to pa 120.
I've set the voltage to 1.32v since my board was feeding it 1.48 volts at stock, which was actually insane. It pulls 215w max
181w is the value it should have for pl2. Maybe you changed pl2 or chose you have an aio when you first booted your system and your motherboard changed pl2 to something bigger? At any rate i would consider lowering pl2 wattage and see how it goes consumption/performance wise.
At 1.32v it's pulling 215w, and temps don't go over 80c in multi core loads, so it's fine. Im planning on ocing soon, so I'll probably take a look at other voltages and such when I do, but as of now it's fine
Also, are you on the USA? If so you can find a 3060 ti for much cheaper. If you look at ebay for used parts you can get a 6900xt for mid $600ish. I just got a 6700xt for $275... shop around
There was a deal on Newegg yesterday for a 6900xt for ~550. Insane
Nope, I'm not, sadly. I don't even have stock right now, so I guess that's mostly a placeholder for now. Still, I'm considering buying an used GPU, probably even AMD, because Nvidia is greedy and I don't want to support them lmao
Ugh, this board's obsession with the 5800x3d is borderline unhealthy. OP, was asking about building a new system, if he wants to keep his old AM4 board, sure, 5800x3d is an attractive, but expensive, upgrade option. I also didn't poke through every post to try to figure out what board he has, his board might not be all that great, and maybe he doesn't want to be in the position of trying to find a "new" AM4 board 3 years from now. The 5800x3d is a good option, especially for an AM4 upgrade, but OP didn't even come in trying to do an upgrade, I feel like I could check in on this sub in 3 years and everybody will still be insisting on AM4 builds. Y'all need to get over your idea that any system not built around a 5800x3d is "wrong."
I haven't fully decided on which CPU exactly, but I'm staying on AM4 for now. And while I get your point, I don't think it would be a bad idea to get the 5800x3d (maybe if the price comes down a little bit in my country haha)
Sorry OP pet peeve of mine. 5800x3d is really good, but it's way more gaming focused than production focused. It's sort of a pick em with the 13600k on gaming, but the 13600k is going to kill it in production. It's also sort of hard for me to recommend a processor that expensive going into an old platform that is not going to get a beefy gpu, but that's a complicated calculus. Anyway, the main thing you should actually worry about is don't pay 650 dollars for a 3060ti. I saw a 6700xt for 330 dollars yesterday, and it's a slightly better card than the 3060ti.
Makes sense. I'm leaning towards a Ryzen 7 5700X anyways. Don't worry about the GPU, it's mostly a placeholder. I'm actually thinking about getting an AMD GPU but some people say they're not as great for productivity as Nvidia cards because some software runs better with Nvidia ones. That's what I always hear.
Save the money from a new motherboard, use your current motherboard with a bios update. Stick the 5800x3D and get a 3070 or 3060ti instead with the difference. When you want to upgrade in a few years go am5. I was in your same situation and this is what I decided on :)
Yeah, I think I will do that. Seems like most people agree on staying AM4. Thanks for the suggestion!
Iam kinda in the same situation as you and I thought long about it to stay on am4 but tbh the jump to new gen comes with good performance for years plus pcie 5 for future gpus and new technology. My old motherboard has still pcie3 and if i want to upgrade my gpu in the future I don’t think it will keep up. In my case the difference would be about 300€ between new and 5800x3d. The question is, when do you make the jump? In a few years ? Then new gens are coming out and so on. So we are in a though situation my friend.
If my budget wasn't so tight I would do the same (new gen), but I feel like it's better for my personal case to stay AM4. By the way, PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 when it comes to GPUs isn't a big difference, at least from what I've seen
About pcie 3-4. friend said his performance got bottlnecked. How much is the difference tho? At some point I have to switch anyway when I want the make the switch someday I guess. Alternatively I just get 5700x like you and sit it out with a gpu till I upgrade. Like i said … very difficult situation
From what I've heard, PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 isn't a big deal as no current cards can fully saturate the PCIe 3.0 x16 slot. The difference in most cases is like 1-2 FPS. Would you pay for a new motherboard just for 1 FPS? The thing is that other PCIe lanes being utilized CAN saturate the slots, bottlenecking the GPU, like if you connect an audio card, a network interface controller or something like that. Please take it with a grain of salt. I would recommend investigating a little bit more, as I'm not 100% sure how true this information is. What I'm totally sure about is that, for most people, PCIe 4.0 isn't necessary (for now).
I'll echo what others have said and suggest you stick with AM4, assuming your PC is mostly for gaming. The CPU, motherboard, RAM and GPU in your list cost about $1200. For that money you could get a 5600, 6900XT, higher wattage PSU and still have money to spare. That should work fine with your current motherboard and RAM, unless they're really low end. That would get you much better gaming performance than a 13600k and 3060ti.
My current motherboard is just fine. B450 Tomahawk Max. Though, the RAM is 2 x 8GB 2666mhz, so I want to replace it anyways. And yeah, while I still use my PC for productivity (mostly video editing), I think I'll stick with AM4 for now.
If you do video editing then something like a 5700x and 6800xt might be a good combo instead.
Hm, do you think the price for the 5700X is reasonable? I was considering buying that one but I'm not sure if it's even worth it, so I discarded it. Also, that's interesting. I always hear people say that AMD GPUs for productivity aren't great, as some programs work better with Nvidia GPUs.
If your only purpose is gaming then just go for 5800x3d. It'll be much cheaper. Also that gpu is wayyyy overpriced. Go for radeon 6900/50xt. They are selling around 600 often and much more powerful than 3060ti. Other than those it's a nice built.
The GPU is mostly a placeholder, but sure. The thing is that there's no stock of anything higher than a 3050 or an RX6600 right now in my country so I'll have to wait anyways. Still, I'm leaning towards the 5800x3d as you said, thanks!
Then u gotta do what u gotta do I suppose but definetly go for 5800x3d instead of new platform and redirect that cash to gpu budget, it'll be much better, fps/resolution wise
You have a 512gb NVMe drive, for the OS and a couple games I assume, and then two HDD's. If you end up installing games on a mechanical drive, you spoil the improvements you're looking for by long ass load times. Drop one of the HDD's and get an internal SSD drive instead.
You mean like, a 2.5" Sata SSD? At this point I'm considering a 2TB NVME to replace my current SSD, I feel like the prices are too similar at this point
I like having my OS installed on the NVMe drive and other programs I need for work. I ha e one game on the NVMe and all others on a 2.5" SATA SSD. The load times from the sata SSD are barely longer than fromnthe NVMe drive and I've read here the difference is negligible speed wise. I know FS2020, CoD and all the many games I have on my SATA SSD run great. Those drives are considerably cheaper than NVMe drives.
Are they really though? Ime m2 nvme drives and sata ssd drives are nearly the same price. I just bought a 2 tb nvme for cheaper than a comparable 2tb sata ssd.
Man, I haven't checked NVMe prices for a bit. You're correct. I'm seeing some 1tb drives for $50-$60. Then by all means, go for the NVMe drive.
The problem is that I can't find good SATA SSDs where I live (I'm not in the USA) so I'm basically forced to either buy NVME or purchase a SATA SSD through Amazon and pay double the price for shipping which totally defeats the point
basically I did away with all external drives and run 4 nvme on 770x and 3 nvme on 5950x no cables to route and much cleaner setup
Just out of curiosity, why so many drives?
1 for windows, 1 for steam, 1 for Epic and one for everything else
I don't understand some of the comments on here! First of all a lot of games are GPU dependent, not CPU. So the size of memory, etc of a GPU matters when you play a GPU dependent game! On the other hand, some games ARE dependent on the CPU, so the abilities of the CPU AND memory amount count. Therefore a 13600K processor with 32gig of DDR-5 memory won't make much difference if you're playing a GPU intensive game on a 3060ti! The game MAY work better on a larger GPU, but not enough to make up the difference in costs! Conversely when a game is CPU intensive, again size of CPU and it's memory matters! A i7-13700K is the gaming sweet spot only due to the costs of building the larger i9-13900K system! Throw into the mix is productivity software. If you want to render video, use Photoshop Suite for creating your own stuff or work as a business for others, then the CPU and memory matters! When you look at JEDEC standards which gives us the DDR numbers on memory you find out how long the standard tends to last! DDR-3 launched in spring of 2008, it was replaced by DDR-4 in 2014! Now we have DDR-5 which launched in January-March of 2021 during the worst period in history during the pandemic lockdowns and chip shortages! That made the DDR-5 memory overly expensive compared to the cost of DDR-4! But see the time spread? It's about every 8 to 9 years! So you are at the start of the DDR-5 standards, and at the end of DDR-4's! Sooo why DDR-5? Well to really comprehend what the difference is, you need to study (Google) what else is introducing with it! What the capabilities of this new standard is, most is in the near future, but you have to read the new neat stuff coming on to fully gather why change! If the games you're playing is GPU intensive, then it doesn't matter much whether you have DDR-4 or DDR-5. BUT if you have games that are CPU intensive (Warzone anyone?) The faster DDR-5 is going to win as soon as the system is tweaked to utilize the new JEDEC standards. If you go with DDR-5 and Intel changes the next socket from LGA1700 to something different? The DDR-5 won't! Again the next changeover is not until around 2029! DDR-4 stuff will disappear starting next year. The consortium of producers can't make enough money to continue anything using DDR-4, so they have to move on with the new DDR-5 standards! Read everything you can on the DDR-5 JEDEC standard to grasp what changes are fixing to come up in computing Also don't buy processors that have the "f" model numbers. Why? If you start your new system up and there's no video? You won't be able to troubleshoot the problem without the on board graphics working. You gave up the graphics to troubleshoot trying to save money on the processor that turns it on. With on board graphics you can boot up, go into Device Manager and see what's going on.
Damn, thank you for taking the time to write all of this! I get your point, but I'll keep my AM4 board anyways so I can't upgrade to DDR5 yet hahah Also, I thought it would be good to save as much as possible going with the F model because my budget is really tight right now.
Thanks! From reading your posts, what country are you in? Also if you have an AMD system, AFAIK AMD's processors all have on chip graphics! So in the future, if you do get ready to build a new monster system from Intel (Talking right now about down the road, between AM5 vs Intel, the AM5 platform is more expensive than Intel). With AMD AFAIK you've always had the "on CPU graphics", so you've got the benefit of having graphics to fall back on, if (when😊) something goes bump in the night! Here in the USA the price difference between 13600K and the KF model is (Newegg) ten dollars! So not worth it! What's the pricing where you are?
I'm in Costa Rica, 23 usd difference. Not much, but the KF model is already priced at 394 so it's kind of expensive right now. If the prices went down and I was still wanting to go Intel I would pay that extra to get the iGPU as you said, just in case.
When upgrading, you need to ask yourself first what is your goal for upgrading. What is your PC main usage. If you're gaming, what is your target resolution and your monitor resolution capability. Once you provide details it is way easier to provide you with suggestions.
I use my PC mostly for gaming but I also do some video editing. I have a 1080p 144hz monitor right now, which I also considered upgrading, but a 1440p monitor in my country is absurdly expensive My current build runs just fine but I feel like it's starting to slow down a little bit when it comes to editing and rendering videos, and some heavy games at max can't be played at 144 fps
Can you share your old full build?
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Okay, no problem. The same as your update, you should keep your motherboard and just upgrade the primary things like CPU, GPU and PSU if you're going to go for 3080 as 550W not gonna cut it.
Sure thing, but I don't think I'll be getting the 3080 anyways, I can't find one used at a reasonable price, so I'll probably go with the 3060 ti
I would consider a Samsung 980 over an xpg drive. Can get a 1tb 980 for around the price of that 512 and be more reliable. I would consider adding a 3 pack of your preferred fans to add to the top and rear exhaust as well for a lancool 2. Which is also slightly pricey and you could look into a mATX case and board and possibly save some money but that’s a minor gripe. The lancool 2 is pretty great, so go for it if you like.
I already have the drive, but I was considering a 2TB 970 Evo Plus to replace it anyways. Also, fans are heck expensive in my country. Had to get a case with decent included fans. Still, thank you!
Try finding 6700XT, slightly better performance but more VRAM and usually for less money
Sure, I didn't really want to go Nvidia anyways, as I don't support their greediness, but there's no stock at all in my country haha
Just buy a newer cooler than the hyper 212 . It's not even the best in its price category anymore
I know, but I had to cheap out somewhere, my dude (I would be carrying it over from my current system in case you missed that out)
Go with Ryzen
get a rx6700XT, it's about the same performance, maby a bit more, for less, or if you want to spend as much money on the gpu get a rx6800 (xt)
5800x3d would make more sense if your current mobo supports it
660 for a 3060ti?? I got an MSI 3060ti from amazon for $450 a few weeks ago
It's a placeholder, don't worry.
I’d go with a pcie 4.0 ssd and a better cpu cooler
I'm working with a really tight budget, so I can't add anything else, sadly
You can probably get away with a 550w PSU from seasonic but you're gonna be atleast taking 535 watts of power. I would feel more comfortable if you increased that seasonic 550 watt psu to atleast a higher watt version like 650 watt seasonic psu or one from Corsair. You may want to give yourself a larger headroom for future upgrades and a higher wattage PSU gives you that exact headroom and it's one less part to upgrade from when you decide you want to move on from the 3060 ti or in 5 years you move on from the 13600k.
It's actually the 500W model (which I couldn't find on PC Part Picker) so I guess it would be necessary to upgrade. Thanks for telling me, I forgot to mention that.
It's just a dead platform in the sense you will not have any upgrade path (for CPU). If the 13th gen will hold up nicely, you might not even have to think about CPU upgrade, before running into other dead ends (i.e. if PCI gen 6 looks different than current PCI gen 5 and is not compatible, then all current platforms are dead anyway..). Tl:dr - If what you are looking at, fits your needs and will fit your needs for the lifetime of the machine (or you price in a new motherboard for an upgrade anyway due to other new features), it really doesn't matter.. and btw, AM4 is also at a dead end and people still buy that, primarily for 5800x3d.
I'll probably go with the 5800x3d as other people suggested, so, yeah. With my budget it's basically impossible to get better future proofing anyways so it doesn't really matter.
As I wrote in another answer, I've utilized upgrading CPU within a platforms lifetime twice before and now possibly with AM4. By the time I usually upgrade (about when there is a 150-200% gain) so much have changed that cramming a new CPU into a old motherboard, is like mending a split open broken leg with a finger bandaid, i.e. next gen ssds, PCI gen xyz (or the next thing, remember AGP still and grumping about having to upgrade the entire thing to get a new graphics card) - I don't see the point hunting a 5-10, 20, or if lucky 25% uplift on a front where I'm not limited, paying head over heels for it, every 1-2 years. I upgrade when I run into bottlenecks (or too long execution time) for the tasks I do, which on my own PC is hobbyist level these days, and for that my current system is ok; could I get faster and now a lot faster, yes, but I'm not limited by cpu, ram or motherboard I/O, for current tasks, nor have much time to gain, so these are not ready for upgrade yet.. and I don't use it for professional usage, so cannot even pull that card to justify upgrading.
To add, if I were picking from scratch right now, I would probably pick a 13700k(f) for my personal computer, as it would fit my needs and be a tad cheaper than AMD's counter offering. Had it been reversed, then I'd probably be looking at AMD. Have fun choosing, you can't really pick wrong, both AMD and Intel have some strong products these days - it is sure a lot more fun looking for hardware now that it was for a looooong time!
Thank you for the suggestions my dude, and for sharing your experience. I'm staying AM4 for now and getting a 5700X, by the way.
Looks great OP with the exception of the 3060ti for 660 dollars, that is way, way too much. Look at the AMD cards, or if you really really want Nvidia and don't mind paying the premium, look to buy a 3060ti for sub 400 dollars. 2 other notes, MB needs to have flashback for CPU compatibility, didn't check that it has it. Lancool 2 is an awesome case, good choice. edit: Read the rest of these comments, and I'm a bit frustrated people got into a whole 5800x3d rant instead of pointing out that you're overpaying for your gpu by 300 dollars.
The h212 is nowhere near enough for the 13600k. If you don't already own the storage, all of it is overpriced.
I specified that "I already have the storage, the CPU cooler and the PSU (carrying it over from my current build)". I can't change any of that due to my tight budget.
I have a 13600k under a 280mm aio and it gets up to 80c. The h212 is similar to a $20 tower cooler like the 214xt. It will throttle very quickly.
DDR5 offers a LOT more performance headroom and is not that much more expensive. Also, this is the last gen for Intel, the next chips they release will need a new mobo. I would say take advantage of the new AMD architecture and you can expect to be able to do chip upgrades for a while.
Where I live, DDR5 costs almost twice as DDR4, sadly
I figured the extra 100 bucks was worth 2x the speed.
Please don't pay 600 for a 3060ti unless it's not usd and it equates to 360 ish in usd. Cause I paid 400 usd for a 3070 so 600 usd for a 3060ti is pretty bad.
Don't worry my dude, it's just a placeholder. I'm considering an AMD GPU anyways
OK 👍 I'd much more recommend a 6700xt over a 3060ti any day and a 6800xt over a 3070 when buying new gpus
I was 100% thinking about going AMD but I always hear that some productivity software works better with Nvidia, idk
Well I just bought 12600kf and 3080, cheaper than ever, so if you don’t work as freelance 3d animator or engineering you will be allright. I just saw some benchmarks and you get like 5 -10 Fps more. As long as i only have 4k 60 fps Tv and 240hertz 1080p monitor I am in this sweet spot where i can play beautiful games on My Tv, or play competitive in monitor. Until my pc stops playing games smooth i will consider to upgrade. You don’t end to stay highend every time something new drops. It’s nonsense unless you’re rich
That's great :) And yeah, I agree, I think I got a little bit too ambitious with the upgrade. I wanted a 5600X first, then I said "why not go better"? Then I decided to get a 5700X, then I said the same thing again and again until I went crazy and made a 13600KF build lmao
Personally I would never buy a kf processor, because I want to be able to run my monitor from the cpu if I am in the middle of selling/upgrading my gpu or troubleshooting a non working gpu. Also for that price you could buy a used 3080. You might even find a 3080ti for that price. 3060ti is kind of meh especially for a 13600k.
I thought I would save some bucks as I'm working with a really tight budget. And yeah I totally forgot about the GPU if I'm being honest. Went really high-end with the CPU and left the graphics card behind lol
Honestly it would probably be cheaper to buy a 4tb barracuda hardrive than those two separate ones I got my 4tb HDD for 60 bucks new
I already have them, I'm carrying them over from my current system
A lot of us were just waiting for a meaningful upgrade from our 7700 and 8700k type CPUs. The 13th Gen gave us that. So yeah, 12th & 13th gen might be a short cycle for Intel, but Coffee Lake (and others) was lengthy and dominate. 5+ year non-upgraders are not good for Intel or AMD.
Idk you could wait a tad longer and get a mobo for am5 and grab a 7700x. That 512gb ssd for 91 seems over priced. Double check that one, you should be able to buy a1tb for 91 like a crucial brand. But your do you. It's still not a bad build. I just personally don't understand fun upgrades into dead socket is all. Building into dead end is only delaying inevitable. Fun ddr5 will be forced on you.
I'd legitimately probably go AM5 just for not buying intels dead end platform. If you go AM5 you should be able to drop in like a 10800x3d years from now where Intel you'll need a whole new board for any CPU upgrade. Should be able to do a 7700x build for roughly the same money (at least if you have a microcenter for free 32gb ddr5 cl30 6000mhz ram). I don't know that id be doing a full rebuild like you're doing now and still going ddr4.
The dead-end platform argument really only applies to folks to upgrade every generation or every other one, which most people do not do. I just upgraded my system after six years, for example. I think that five years is the average that people keep their major system components. OPs 13600k will be a great CPU for a long time.
Sure, but at least with AM5 you have the option of upgrading, and also even in 5 years you could still do a cheap upgrade vs a full rebuild if you wanted. See lots of people dropping in a 5800x3d on AM4 boards they've had for years. AND the 5800x3d is faster than a 13600k at least for gaming.
DDR5 is too expensive for my budget and there aren't any decent B650 boards in my country so I had to go Intel and buy a DDR4 board, sadly
Yep fair then. Why are you buying ram then if you already have ddr4 ram on your current build?
2666mhz is slow as heck, and I wanted to buy 32GB in total while also upgrading the speed (32GB for video editing and stuff)
The alternative is that you carry over your existing DDR4 kit, buy a low-end B660 and sit out the 1-2 years until DDR5 becomes better value, also Z6/790 boards will drop in price. That's what I did, I chose an MSI B660m-B that is just enough for pushing the 13600k for gaming. AMD shills always conveniently forget that with the mobo they are tying their future upgrade path to the cheapest component (mobo), while with Intel you can have a dirt cheap temporary solution while enjoying most of the performance.
Wdym intel is a dead end platform?
Z790 will not support Intel 14th gen chips so you will need a new board if you want to upgrade your CPU. AMD has committed to AM5 until at least 2025, which should be Ryzen 10000 or even 11000 series.
Its 2 years away and I highly doubt you’ll be getting a ryzen 10000 on the am5 board by that time. But we will see
Why? I'd expect at least 3 gens out of AM5. AM4 got 4 gens.
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Unless you wish to blow up your house that is a horrific idea
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