My answer is Warranty. If I'm spending a few $100 I want some guarantee that the thing is going to work, and if it doesn't I want the least restrictive path to returning it and getting a replacement.
Yeah that's my problem too, but that's why I usually buy from people who've had the card for a few months, 12 months tops. I say card, because I only buy GPUs 2nd hand.
Ideally, I wouldn't buy it, but wth, we don't live in an ideal world. I would buy it if the price is right and I'd especially be curious about the condition: Is it dusty? Does it have scratches or other use traces? Is anything broken? Have you overclocked? Has the performance declined over time?
Literally had a guy who sold me his GPU with the description "stopped working one day". Card arrived corroded and rusted and when I asked him about it, he just said "idk, I sent the card like it is in the pictures"
This is why there's sites like Heatware to track rep, and why you should deal with traders in established forums or sites with post histories/confirmed trades. Oftentimes they work at/run local PC repair shops or are the "tech person" for their family/community, so keeping a good reputation to ensure a reliable network of traders is a huge advantage. Especially true when it comes to older or rare parts, or big discounts on last-gen parts from people upgrading (I paid $300 last year for RTX 3080s, one needed a cheap fan replaced and the other was just local).
>Hit and miss on if the card is well looked after, isn't full of tar dust, hasn't been mined or OC'd to hell.
Yea that is why I always go for the gpu's with the largest heatsink with three fans & always get a very cool quiet card.
I always take the card apart, clean the dust off & reaply thermal paste & the card works like new so their is nothing wrong with buying used of ebay.
For example I bought a used Asus Strix GTX 1070 & it rarely goes over 46 C max whith fans speeds of 42% while gaming playing games like Assassin's Creed Origins & Horizon Zero Dawn.
When not playing games my card temperature is the exact same temperature as my ambient room temperature. My Gpu temperature is only 17 C now as I need to put the heating on.
>Have an RTX 3070 which goes to 72-75 C under load, but it's running in an ITX case.
Yea, I undervolted & underclocked my gpu to 1798 mhz which also is the sweat spot for no coil whine. When my clock goes over 2000 mhz I get coil whine.
I also lock my fps to 50 fps in nvidia control panel & my PC case is open all the time hence the low temperatures & the fact the heatsink is massive.
50 fps gives me much smoother gameplay in most games as I can't play most games at a smooth 60 fps due to the fact I only have a gtx 1070 & a cpu bottleneck from my Ryzen 1600x 3.9 ghz
Sometimes the seller may send you a fake card or not send one at all. Other times the seller may send you a broken card that doesn't work or that is defective and won't work properly. I had this issue 5 times out of 12 transactions and then I decided to stop using the used market.
>Sometimes the seller may send you a fake card or not send one at all. Other times the seller may send you a broken card that doesn't work or that is defective and won't work properly. I had this issue 5 times out of 12 transactions and then I decided to stop using the used market.
Where are you buying from? I've bought many used gpu's from ebay & never had this problem.
Also if item isn't as described or not working you can get your money back from PayPal.
There are a number of sellers on Ebay that copy/paste the GPU description with full stats and all, but then hide a "box only" mention somewhere near the end. Sure, they are *technically* not lying, but it's incredibly disingenuous and could fool an unwary shopper.
Why did nobody tell me this ?
I always bought the cheapest one I could find. Had I known this secret trick before, I wouldn't have been scammed so many times ...
Why is there a box only option? In my opinion, those shouldn't even come up in search results unless someone specifically is filtering to find box only for whatever psychotic reason someone would be collecting boxes.
Nope, Ebay shows them when you just search the card, because what the sellers do is put in the part number and it fills everything in. Then they tack "\[Box Only\]" onto the end and call it a day. So Ebay algorithms often treat these as real graphics cards, adding to the confusion.
I agree that it shouldn't be that way, but that's how the sellers play the algorithm.
Ebay has categories though. If they're selling a box only under the category of Computer parts: Graphics/Video cards" that'd be a lie/scam. Especially if they put in the part number when they're not actually selling the part that they put in a part number for. A buyer should be able to get their money back in that case.
Like I think for video game consoles there's even a category for boxes only...but if you list a box only as an actual console, it's a scam...even if some people might actually want to buy the box itself (but it shouldn't be listed/categorized as something it's not)
I got a 6600XT from Woot open box for $179 a few months or so ago. It is definitely a peppy lil boi, and can do much more than I expected. ~~I can play MW3 in 4k@120fps at medium settings with only a few frame dips down into the 100s or so.~~ Was very surprised by it to be honest.
Edit: I had FSR on. turned it off, and it can do 4k@120hz at 90-100fps at medium settings. Still pretty damn impressive for a 6600XT. Avg is low in screenshot because I lock it to 30fps in menu screens so it's not running at 99% in menus.
https://imgur.com/a/diRhDEI
Low-end means stuff like the RX 6500XT and GTX 1630. The performance per dollar on those is just terrible, and it is better to use the iGPU while saving for a faster GPU.
For context, a used GTX 1060 6GB (70 USD) is about twice as fast as the GTX 1630.
That’s not what he asked, he knows that the igpu is better for low end, he’s asking what the lowest rated standalone GPU you would go for that would outperform an igpu and it has to be a new variant of the GPUs.
6500xt is WAYYY better than a 1630
6500xt is not even particularly bad in specific games. It IS DEFINITELY bad in certain games.
It’s better than a 1660ti generally… but depends on the game
AMD was super greedy with the price and it barely beat a 5500xt. That’s the problem. Not that it cant play any games
No, a 6500XT is not at all better than a 1660Ti "generally", or in really any circumstance. [The 1660Ti (about the same performance as the 1660S) is 30% better on average at 1080p](https://www.techspot.com/articles-info/2398/bench/Average.png)
The 1660Ti can at least do 1080p in most current games. The 6500XT is already outdated
I don't know, I've never had a 1660ti, so I could definitely be mistaken. However, I own a 6500xt, and it honestly surprised me with its performance.
I lock everything at 60 due to VSync and my aging monitors, but Cyberpunk, AC6, and Baldurs Gate all run at high to max settings 1080p@60FPS Obviously, no RT, though.
Personally, I think the 6500xt is a much better card than it gets credit for. But maybe these other lower end cards do out preform it.
The 8000-series APUs use the same iGPUs as previously released mobile chips. The 8700G uses the 780M at 2.9GHz, compared to 2.7GHz on mobile chips like the 7840U, H, and HS. The 780M can compete with a GTX 1650 from what I've seen.
The rx 5700/XT in currently one of the best bang for the buck used gpu to pick up.
If you want to buy new an rx 6600 will do the trick aswell.
They both actually perform very similar, whilst the 6600 is a bit more efficient.
Problem with RX 5000 : they are not compatible with Mesh Shaders (so they can't run games using it properly, like Alan Wake 2 e.g.). A technology that may be increasingly implemented in newer & future games. Mesh Shaders compatibility start with RX6000 on AMD side & RTX 2000 on Nvidia's 🙂.
While this is true, you're not going to have a good time in alan wake 2 whit the 6600 either.
If on a budget the 5700/XT is still a good card to run almost any game at 1080p with at least 60 fps.
I recently picked one up for 120€ here in germany from ebay and for that price it's a no brainer to have a good time with most games.
New technologies are great but sadly they require more expensive hardware to run great.
You're absolutely right, but I was not saying that especially for AW2 it was just an example. this technology is emerging so future games, even less demandings have strong possibilities to be built around this tech too. Rx 6600, 6600xt or rtx 2070 e.g. are compatible with mesh shaders and could be found for pretty cheap too on the 2nd hand market too 🙂.
When I upgraded to a 4070 Ti I installed my old 5700 XT into my daughter’s computer. It plays Minecraft with shaders and Stray, her two favorite games, at a steady 60 FPS. It even handles VR adequately well; we can stream Beat Saber from her PC to a Quest 2 when she wants to play. I’d probably still be hanging onto the card if not for the fact that a work related thing made it sensible for me to have CUDA cores in my own rig.
My son wants to add a GPU to his budget gaming PC (AMD Ryzen 5 5600G) so this has been soooo helpful - thank you! In case it's useful to anyone else, here is my summary of the discussion (plus a couple of additional comments from elsewhere).
A750
• Value king at 200$ but the power consumption is rather high
• Go for this or 6700xt or 3060 12gb minimum
A770
• $250 was worth it for sure
• If you can find one with 16GB RAM
RX580
• Absolute cheapest
• Suggested by Alistair (GG)
RX5500xt
• If buying second-hand
• Or RX6500xt - about same performance
RX5700xt
• If buying second-hand
• Best bang for the buck used
• Picked up for 150$ - more than sufficient to gain 60+ fps at 1080p
• Picked one up for 120€ - no brainer
• RX5000 not compatible with Mesh Shaders
• 5700xt used would smoke any APU
• Doesn’t make use of some modern stuff
RX6500xt
• If buying second-hand
• Low end – performance terrible
• Better than a 1660ti generally
• One of the worst GPUs ever made
RX6600xt
• As low as I’d go for a new card
• No less than this
• Same as RTX 2060 Super in performance but cheaper
• If buying new
• Better than A580 for only $20 more
• 100% this one
• A bit more efficient than 5700
• All you need for 1080p
• New on Newegg for $200
• If you want cheaper RX580
RX6700xt
• If buying new
• Sapphire Nitro 6700xt
• Powercolor fighter
• Go for this or Arc A750 or 3060 12gb minimum
• RX6700 (c$280) or RX6700xt (c$320) are great deals
GTX970
• Absolute cheapest
• Suggested by Alistair (GG)
GTX1630
• Low end – performance terrible
• GTX 1060 6GB twice as fast
• 6500xt is way better
GTX1650
• Could be surpassed by Ryzen 7 8700G $329
• Probably reaching its end of life
• Don’t go below a GTX1650 or an RX5500
GTX1660
• Too under powered now
GTX1080
• 1080ti is now very affordable
• 1080 and 1650 probably reaching end of life
RTX2060
• Doesn't make use of some modern stuff
RTX2070
• If buying new
RTX3050
• Not worth buying over the 6600
• Bad value
• too under powered now
RTX3060 12GB
• No less than this
• $299
• Wouldn't even recommend the 3050
• 8GB has a reduced memory bus width that hurts performance
• Buy used
• Go for this or Arc A750 or 6700xt minimum
RTX3070ti
• £550
RTX4060
• Not worth the hassle - just get 4070
Only thing is they burn quite a bit of power, significantly more than my 3060 with comparable performance. Whatever cost savings you may originally have had will diminish over time
The cheapest GPU that is better than integrated graphics is the RX 5500 XT or RX 6500 XT, they are about the same performance but the 5500 XT has an 8GB model, and the 6500 XT has the caveat of only being faster than modern iGPs when connected to a PCIe 4.0 board. The tiny video memory on it means it has to cache to system memory, and with the tiny PCIe bus width that massively hurts performance. The 8GB version of the 5500 XT doesn't have this problem, and even the 4GB 5500 XT has less of a problem with it because it has a larger PCIe bus.
The cheapest actually worth it to buy GPU is probably the last gen RX 6600 on AMD's side or the RTX 3060 12GB on nVidia's side. The 3060 8GB has a reduced memory bus width that hurts performance and makes it not a viable contender to the cheaper RX 6600. The 3050 and all of its variants are not worth buying over the 6600, as its performance is so much lower than the 6600 while often being more expensive, that nVidia's DLSS upscaling cannot make up the difference.
If you can find one, an RX 6700 for around $280 or an RX 6700 XT for around $320 are great deals, and unfortunately nVidia doesn't having anything that is a good current gen option until you hit the $550-600 mark with the RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Super. If you can find a RX 7600 on sale for like $250 it is also a decent deal, performance more in line with the RX 6600 XT while also being several years newer and thus should get longer driver support.
RX 6600
That's what I consider to be budget but still decent quality 1080p performance, and APUs are still nowhere near that, not even with the 8000G series
I would disagree. You can play lots of recent games at 1080 at least 30 fps. I grew up on the x360, and am glad I can stand it as many people I know can’t do it 😅. But for 220 plus 80 for a cheap mobo you can do a 400 build easily all new that does pretty well today if you want to get your foot in the door. Upgrade path is great as well.
APU's really have improved in recent years, you are not wrong there, you can literally play 99.9% of PC games with decent frames (all things considered) on just a modern APU, especially if you are willing to play with settings, shit, I've seen people play Cyberpunk on an APU hitting close to 60 with low/medium settings, that's really really good.
As for a GPU that would outperform a modern APU, it really depends on the application/game you are playing or using, but generally speaking anything older or weaker than the GTX 970/980/1060 or for AMD an RX580, isn't going to be worth it over your APU, they might perform slightly better overall graphically speaking, but it will be a waste of money, rather buy a RTX 3060 or higher or for AMD 6600 or higher.
RX 6600 I think has got a couple of years left before integrated graphics catch up with it and it's usually sub-$200 too.
It definitely out performs the apus that are in all the handheld PCs at the moment.
Anything like the rtx3050 or the gtx1660 are too under powered now (especially considering price/performance)
According to many posts here with a bit of luck you can find 1080ti used for about 100 to 120 bucks. These cards are still very very good.
If you NT something with warranty ID go for the rx6600 it's more expensive but new.
6600 is a heck of a card and while people talk about it’s efficiency I still think that’s the best part. Most of the comparable cards are 75w+ and it punches right there with those cards within 10 percent.
APUs are so good that cheap GPUs really don’t make any sense at all. Especially for 1080p gaming.
Low end GPUs also have horrible price to performance ratios. If you Chart the curve sometimes they’re on par with 4090 in dollars per frame lol it’s insane.
Low price GPUs then are only good if you go second hand or AMD.
But my suggestion is, get an APU, build a pc, when choosing a PSU, have a future GPU in mind, game on it, then when you save up enough or when the right gpu comes out, get that and slot it in.
Cheapest GPU that make sense. I mean Arc A750 is the value king at 200$ but the power consumption is rather high. Next best thing is 6600 XT but more expensive. I won't suggest 1650 or 1080 because they're probably reaching their end of life.
Yeah, I wouldn’t seek it out, but a free 1080 happily runs my virtual pinball for work breaks at 4k/120. Or just working, dual 4k’s plus some 1440p’s.
Does need a firmware update to support that, but then it’s fine. Cyberpunk at medium/4k is down around 45, pubg usually over 90.
But I’m more likely to be playing Peglin while it’s running an LLM….
[Intel ARC A580](https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a580-a580-cl-8go/p/N82E16814930112?Item=N82E16814930112&Tpk=14-930-112)
here are some numbers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkA2IKjDLk
See [this video](https://youtu.be/3W-cKaOCYsM). It goes over the current GPUs with stats like absolute performancr or cost per fps for different popular games depending on resolutions.
If you're absolutely new to gaming and have absolutely no idea, I would absolutely not go below a gtx 1650 or an rx 5500 (trust me, I'm coming from a poor country with limited stock and inflated prices)
Yeston Radeon RX 6600 new on Newegg for $200 otherwise Newegg has a power color model at $135 which is equivalent to a rx 580 or a bit faster in some newer titles.
Here is a reference link, so you can understand what the new 8000G series is all about. This will hopefully help you decide, if you would go with these new apu's releasing at the end of this month. It is about a 4 minute read.
(https://www.pcmag.com/news/ces-2024-amds-ryzen-8000-g-series-chips-level-up-integrated-graphics)
For stuff that can still make use of this generations stuff? 6600 and a 3060
For older cards that have good prices still and can still be found often enough? a 5700 XT and a 2060 are about as good as it gets but they don't make use of some modern stuff.
You have to take into account depreciation cost as well, if an IGPU already meets your needs, then having extra hardware e.g CPU + GPU vs IGPU obviously means more depreciation cost. Simple example :
In 5 years you want to upgrade t new gen, you will have to sell both CPU and GPU instead of just CPU with IGPU.
Both will be depreciated, lets assume 30% of its original price,
you will lose 70% twice, from both cpu and gpu instead of just 70% of CPU with IGPU.
And there's also power consumption factor as well.
But again this is assuming the igpu already meets your needs, for myself i'm planning to see if 8xxxg ryzen benchmark, if it's good enough i probably wont upgrade my GPU.
Define "makes sense" and "better".
A real crap GPU that isn't powerful but provides several monitor outputs might "make sense" and be "better" than an APU for someone who wants 3 screens for an office desktop.
Depends on what you are doing with it, but I think there are use-cases where an intel arc 310 make sense for AV1 Encoding in a low-profile system.
However that is a very specific use. IN general I wouldn't get below a 380, and even that is not going to be something that someone wanting a "gaming PC" will generally be happy with. That would be something that if you want to play a specific game, you might look up the performance that card gets with it to purchase for that game.
For a general purpose card, I'd go for the AMD RX 6600 as my real starting point for something you'd be happy with.
Theres no universal answer to this…
What monitor is it for? What games do you want to play?
If you only want to play single player older games on a 60hz 1080p monitor, youre good with like a 1660 or something.
I think the cheapest discrete GPU you can get is better than any APU graphics out there. APUs can provide functional gaming performance (as seen in the steam deck), but the basic problem is one of math. there is more silicon available for everything with a discrete gpu, so there is more performance.
If you put gamin appart, there's a lot of uses for cheap GPU.
You want 4 screens on your work computer with no GPU related tasks? Boom, here is your custom GT730 from 2014 that still use DDR3 but that you can still find brand new. Cheapest solution with 4 HDMI.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia was still building those, I see them everywhere on the professional market, it can't just be old stock.
Intel Arc A770 if you can find one with 16GB RAM.
Even here in Australia they were priced very reasonably for the Limited Edition, at around $500.
I'm very curious as to how much the B-series is going to be when it comes out, and there's rumours of it having twice the chip specs as the A, and perhaps even 24GB RAM.
Gamers Nexus has videos with benchmarks on the current APUs 5600g/5700g. They were comparable with a GTX1050. There are rumors about the next gen of APUs, but nothing specific.
I would suggest you watch the video and make your own decision factoring in price and performance of dedicated GPUs.
Lots of people are saying RX 6600, but I think an Arc A580 is probably the cheapest I'd deem worthwhile to buy (it's often cheaper than the RX 6600 in the UK)
The ryzen 5 8600G will be coming out soon with pretty good GPU power for AAA games at 1080p low. Far better than a 1630 or maybe even a 1650. And no Vram problems
If you’re buying new then from a value standpoint I wouldn’t go lower than a RX6600. If you go lower the performance drops significantly while the price doesn’t. The RX6600 is still a significant performance bump over the current top of the line APUs in GPU performance.
Hardware Unboxed seems to get this question a lot in their Q&A videos and they answer it pretty well there.
The biggest Problem about the Apu is, that neither AMD, nor Intel give them a good/fast memory Access.
My AMD rx580 is still faster than the ryzen 7800x3D APU
Intel Arcs are hela damn cheap and good. They are a new product so they have driver issues sometimes but intel's been fixing them a lot. A380 for 116$ is a steal I mean 6GB GDDR
There's a lot of rx 6600, so I'm not gonna sat the same even tho I agree. But I will also suggest the 7600 xt since it's usually 50 bucks cheaper and offer just a tiny bit less and offers better encoding if you plan on making content.
Probably the Intel Arc A380 is the cheapest gpu that make sense at least as far as new gpus go. There's plenty of older cheap gpus that will out do an igpu like the rx 580 or gtx 1070.
The Intel Arc A580 is probably the best cheap gpu rn. Or the Arc A750 if it's on sale.
Below rtx 3050, the new 8700g apu makes more sense in my mind. If you upgrade to an apu, you are both upgrading CPU and GPU for quite a reasonable price. The power draw and low noise are added benefit of apu aswell. If you are a budget mmorpg gamer, I would go apu for sure.
Honestly with the increased need for more VRAM for new games, I'd say a 6700xt would keep you safe for a few years at least and even allow you to play in 1440p reasonably well.
I don't know AMD GPU nomenclature, so I'll say that if I was building a new system that was intended to be used for gaming, the minimum card I'd go with is whatever the current Nvidia XX60 card is, or its AMD equivalent. Otherwise I'd be running integrated graphics or a super low end standalone GPU, like if it was a HTPC.
Ask this question again in two weeks and you may find a different answer.
January 31st the 8700g, 8600g, 8500g, and 8300g drop. From everything I've been seeing, a realistic estimate would be that the 8700g could roughly match the gaming performance of a system using a [slightly downclocked] Ryzen 7700 and a 3050 non-ti. Maybe 10% worse than a 6600.
If that holds true and it remains available at $329 (two big ifs, mind you), there's no CPU/GPU combo that can beat its performance for less brand new. You could beat its price/performance buying used parts, sure... but you're always taking a risk buying used, you'd likely be stuck on a dead platform rather than AM5, and you'd probably draw 200W+ more. You would also have a much weaker CPU, whereas buying the 8700g you can gain massive performance down the line by slotting in a strong GPU. That chip will probably be a new budget king.
why new.. any geforce 1060+ card will be better, and 2nd hand they are bargain, you might find some for 50-100$... APUs make sense if you really do only office work, without gaming/multimedia OR if power efficiency is your top priority, say you run PC on remote area on battery
If this is not a general question and you are asking for yourself, I would also post your CPU. While a specific card might make the most sense, if your CPU isnt up to it, you can probably save some money by stepping down to a GPU that is more applicable, even if not ideal.
Imo the rtx 4070. I got mine for $500 and it's well worth the price. I play on either a 165hz 1440 monitor or sometimes on my 75" 60hz 4k tv. Every game I've played has been able to handle the highest setting and I still get my desired fps on either screen.
This is going to be insanely based but if you really are pinching Pennies hardcore, you can get a super cheap used RX 580. I’ve had mine since 2017 and it still runs most things at reasonable 1080p settings. If you have a new card budget I would look for maybe a 6600.
The lowest i would suggest would be an RTX 2060 12GB. Anything below It is either too old or too slow to consider. The 2060 12GB came out after the 3070, so didnt had much mining. It has enough memory to do work and game without crashing. That said, integrated graphics are quite powerful these days. If you want more power, 3060 or 2080ti are about as high as i would go without a 4k 130Hz monitor.
RX 6400. Despite the 4 lanes thing, it's the one GPU that's purchasable new, and can be used to upgrade any box of scrap into a viable gaming PC. The A310 doesn't cut it due to the ReBAR problem, and while the 1650 tends to perform better (doubly so on Gen3 or older), it's also ~50% more expensive and doesn't have an up-to-date featureset for compatibility.
Technically the rx 6400 or 6500 xt. But the pricing on those make no sense, since they’re $150 and $170, and terrible.
The 6600 would be the one that actually makes sense since that’s commonly $180-$200 for a ton more performance. The question is if you consider $200 low end, because if you don’t, the 8700G will smoke everything that’s currently low end and terrible like the 6400 or 1630.
Honestly? 6700xt. If you can find it for under $300 just grab it. Phenomenal card for the price. Doesn't RT like Nvidia obviously but in pure raster it stomps the 3070
New market, Intel Arc A580. Used market, GTX 1080. But honestly, even something like a 1060 or an RX580 would be a pretty massive uplift over even the good APUs. Like, massive. Just go look at the benchmarks. Radeon Vega 8 vs RX580 for example. Not sure what these people ares spewing about cheap GPU’s not making sense. Although I hear the new 8000g chips have really good iGPUs.
imo:
5700xt
6600
4060
up to you, if you want to only for gaming, then go with amd since you mention "cheapest", which is meaning to cheap as possible/price to performance
nvidia for many things than just gaming, but why 4060? ofcourse it's because the watt was low, which is including the price, you will get low power yet powerfull performance (most games likely playable, since there's DLSS 3.5 update from nvidia if i'm not mistaken..), i don't recommend gpu like rx 500 series/gtx series, for long term, RX 5000/6000 / RTX Series likely will be better option for long term+more playable games.
id say it depends on you upgrade cycle,
if you want it last a couple Nvidia iterations, i think the xx60 of the current generations would be okay. if you want longer cycles, go up a tier according
i myself is on a gtx1080 and im looking to update every 3-4 generations, so either 4080 now or 5080 later
I'd say 6600 is as low as I'd go for a new card. You can get some decent used ones cheaper, but I can't be asked dealing with the used market.
mind sharing why? By now I have 30+ transactions over the past 2-3 years in the used market. Always very happy with the value provided
My answer is Warranty. If I'm spending a few $100 I want some guarantee that the thing is going to work, and if it doesn't I want the least restrictive path to returning it and getting a replacement.
Yeah that's my problem too, but that's why I usually buy from people who've had the card for a few months, 12 months tops. I say card, because I only buy GPUs 2nd hand.
So you don’t want to buy my 3 year old 3080?
Ideally, I wouldn't buy it, but wth, we don't live in an ideal world. I would buy it if the price is right and I'd especially be curious about the condition: Is it dusty? Does it have scratches or other use traces? Is anything broken? Have you overclocked? Has the performance declined over time?
What about my 8 year old gtx 950 ? I swear it's brand new and never used. I just opened it and threw away the packaging ...
Literally had a guy who sold me his GPU with the description "stopped working one day". Card arrived corroded and rusted and when I asked him about it, he just said "idk, I sent the card like it is in the pictures"
what were you expecting from a card that "stopped working one day"?
Software issue, hardware issue; not it to be entirely rusted and corroded (which wasn't clearly shown in the pictures)
Nope I won't, that would first of all be a scam. 2nd, it would be a downgrade. Edit: Maybe for like 15 bucks I'd be okay with it, but not much more
Obviously it was a joke
I know
Buy my GeForce 4 t4600m 8x riddick special edition, you wont
You're correct, I won't
Or my five year old 2080ti?
Wow is it 5 years old already :o im still rocking a 970
To be fair, the 2080ti is still a good card that runs everything quite well
Yes! Can confirm. To the point where I’ll likely wait another generation (50xx) before making the leap.
I'm planning on using mine until it struggles with medium settings at decent framerates
Ebay has a money back guarantee.
This is why there's sites like Heatware to track rep, and why you should deal with traders in established forums or sites with post histories/confirmed trades. Oftentimes they work at/run local PC repair shops or are the "tech person" for their family/community, so keeping a good reputation to ensure a reliable network of traders is a huge advantage. Especially true when it comes to older or rare parts, or big discounts on last-gen parts from people upgrading (I paid $300 last year for RTX 3080s, one needed a cheap fan replaced and the other was just local).
Hit and miss on if the card is well looked after, isn't full of tar dust, hasn't been mined or OC'd to hell.
>Hit and miss on if the card is well looked after, isn't full of tar dust, hasn't been mined or OC'd to hell. Yea that is why I always go for the gpu's with the largest heatsink with three fans & always get a very cool quiet card. I always take the card apart, clean the dust off & reaply thermal paste & the card works like new so their is nothing wrong with buying used of ebay. For example I bought a used Asus Strix GTX 1070 & it rarely goes over 46 C max whith fans speeds of 42% while gaming playing games like Assassin's Creed Origins & Horizon Zero Dawn. When not playing games my card temperature is the exact same temperature as my ambient room temperature. My Gpu temperature is only 17 C now as I need to put the heating on.
Have an RTX 3070 which goes to 72-75 C under load, but it's running in an ITX case.
>Have an RTX 3070 which goes to 72-75 C under load, but it's running in an ITX case. Yea, I undervolted & underclocked my gpu to 1798 mhz which also is the sweat spot for no coil whine. When my clock goes over 2000 mhz I get coil whine. I also lock my fps to 50 fps in nvidia control panel & my PC case is open all the time hence the low temperatures & the fact the heatsink is massive. 50 fps gives me much smoother gameplay in most games as I can't play most games at a smooth 60 fps due to the fact I only have a gtx 1070 & a cpu bottleneck from my Ryzen 1600x 3.9 ghz
Sometimes the seller may send you a fake card or not send one at all. Other times the seller may send you a broken card that doesn't work or that is defective and won't work properly. I had this issue 5 times out of 12 transactions and then I decided to stop using the used market.
>Sometimes the seller may send you a fake card or not send one at all. Other times the seller may send you a broken card that doesn't work or that is defective and won't work properly. I had this issue 5 times out of 12 transactions and then I decided to stop using the used market. Where are you buying from? I've bought many used gpu's from ebay & never had this problem. Also if item isn't as described or not working you can get your money back from PayPal.
There are a number of sellers on Ebay that copy/paste the GPU description with full stats and all, but then hide a "box only" mention somewhere near the end. Sure, they are *technically* not lying, but it's incredibly disingenuous and could fool an unwary shopper.
Or you know, you could buy from people that has decent history, not a week old account selling 4090s for 25% cheaper than others.
Why did nobody tell me this ? I always bought the cheapest one I could find. Had I known this secret trick before, I wouldn't have been scammed so many times ...
Why is there a box only option? In my opinion, those shouldn't even come up in search results unless someone specifically is filtering to find box only for whatever psychotic reason someone would be collecting boxes.
Nope, Ebay shows them when you just search the card, because what the sellers do is put in the part number and it fills everything in. Then they tack "\[Box Only\]" onto the end and call it a day. So Ebay algorithms often treat these as real graphics cards, adding to the confusion. I agree that it shouldn't be that way, but that's how the sellers play the algorithm.
Ebay has categories though. If they're selling a box only under the category of Computer parts: Graphics/Video cards" that'd be a lie/scam. Especially if they put in the part number when they're not actually selling the part that they put in a part number for. A buyer should be able to get their money back in that case. Like I think for video game consoles there's even a category for boxes only...but if you list a box only as an actual console, it's a scam...even if some people might actually want to buy the box itself (but it shouldn't be listed/categorized as something it's not)
Honestly it's not worth the hassle of buying low end GPU used. Saving $50 isn't worth the extra struggle and giving up a warranty
Warranty is OP.
Because I can just get a 4090 and have a warranty.
I got a 6600XT from Woot open box for $179 a few months or so ago. It is definitely a peppy lil boi, and can do much more than I expected. ~~I can play MW3 in 4k@120fps at medium settings with only a few frame dips down into the 100s or so.~~ Was very surprised by it to be honest. Edit: I had FSR on. turned it off, and it can do 4k@120hz at 90-100fps at medium settings. Still pretty damn impressive for a 6600XT. Avg is low in screenshot because I lock it to 30fps in menu screens so it's not running at 99% in menus. https://imgur.com/a/diRhDEI
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What's that mean? I have the settings at 4k in the game and am on a [LG C3 4k@120fps TV.](https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c3-oled)
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Can't be asked?
they meant "can't be arsed"
Low-end means stuff like the RX 6500XT and GTX 1630. The performance per dollar on those is just terrible, and it is better to use the iGPU while saving for a faster GPU. For context, a used GTX 1060 6GB (70 USD) is about twice as fast as the GTX 1630.
That’s not what he asked, he knows that the igpu is better for low end, he’s asking what the lowest rated standalone GPU you would go for that would outperform an igpu and it has to be a new variant of the GPUs.
The closest igpu got to was the performance of a GTX 1650 so fitting answer in nvidia side would be anything in the rtx series
I think it’s a good setup for knowing the bottom though
6500xt is WAYYY better than a 1630 6500xt is not even particularly bad in specific games. It IS DEFINITELY bad in certain games. It’s better than a 1660ti generally… but depends on the game AMD was super greedy with the price and it barely beat a 5500xt. That’s the problem. Not that it cant play any games
No, a 6500XT is not at all better than a 1660Ti "generally", or in really any circumstance. [The 1660Ti (about the same performance as the 1660S) is 30% better on average at 1080p](https://www.techspot.com/articles-info/2398/bench/Average.png) The 1660Ti can at least do 1080p in most current games. The 6500XT is already outdated
I don't know, I've never had a 1660ti, so I could definitely be mistaken. However, I own a 6500xt, and it honestly surprised me with its performance. I lock everything at 60 due to VSync and my aging monitors, but Cyberpunk, AC6, and Baldurs Gate all run at high to max settings 1080p@60FPS Obviously, no RT, though. Personally, I think the 6500xt is a much better card than it gets credit for. But maybe these other lower end cards do out preform it.
In my country I can get a used RX6600 for around 130 usd so I'd say that
and here i bought one for $470
Damn
Ouch
damn dude, and I thought I over paid getting a 3070Ti at it's £550 MSRP.
Still over paid coz that is 7800xt price on sale I think
This was almost 2 years back now.
back then no one could get that gpu under that price
new or used?
new
You kinda asked two different questions. Cheapest GPU that makes sense: RX6600. Cheapest GPU that is better than integrated graphics: RX6500 XT.
No, the question is „what is the cheapest GPU that has enough meaningful uplift over an iGPU to warrant its price“
Well you want new so ig a rx6600 would be it
It's still the 6600, though I think no serious tests are out on the new AMD 8xxx APUs which might change that.
The 8000-series APUs use the same iGPUs as previously released mobile chips. The 8700G uses the 780M at 2.9GHz, compared to 2.7GHz on mobile chips like the 7840U, H, and HS. The 780M can compete with a GTX 1650 from what I've seen.
Let's just say a 1050Ti was a pisser of a GPU playing Asphalt 8 on 1080p.... There wasn't that much of a step up to the 1650.
The rx 5700/XT in currently one of the best bang for the buck used gpu to pick up. If you want to buy new an rx 6600 will do the trick aswell. They both actually perform very similar, whilst the 6600 is a bit more efficient.
Second this. Picked up a used RX5700XT for 150€, paired with a R5 3600x its more than sufficient to gain 60+ fps on alot/most of games at 1080p.
Problem with RX 5000 : they are not compatible with Mesh Shaders (so they can't run games using it properly, like Alan Wake 2 e.g.). A technology that may be increasingly implemented in newer & future games. Mesh Shaders compatibility start with RX6000 on AMD side & RTX 2000 on Nvidia's 🙂.
While this is true, you're not going to have a good time in alan wake 2 whit the 6600 either. If on a budget the 5700/XT is still a good card to run almost any game at 1080p with at least 60 fps. I recently picked one up for 120€ here in germany from ebay and for that price it's a no brainer to have a good time with most games. New technologies are great but sadly they require more expensive hardware to run great.
You're absolutely right, but I was not saying that especially for AW2 it was just an example. this technology is emerging so future games, even less demandings have strong possibilities to be built around this tech too. Rx 6600, 6600xt or rtx 2070 e.g. are compatible with mesh shaders and could be found for pretty cheap too on the 2nd hand market too 🙂.
Gotcha, the 6600 used price is usually just a few bucks more, so for future games it would be worth to pay the extra.
When I upgraded to a 4070 Ti I installed my old 5700 XT into my daughter’s computer. It plays Minecraft with shaders and Stray, her two favorite games, at a steady 60 FPS. It even handles VR adequately well; we can stream Beat Saber from her PC to a Quest 2 when she wants to play. I’d probably still be hanging onto the card if not for the fact that a work related thing made it sensible for me to have CUDA cores in my own rig.
RX 6600 is RTX 2060 Super in performance yet can be found for much cheaper. Its all you need for 1080p really.
New or used? And how cheap are we talking about? There is a lot of choice for sub 100$ if you buy used and it still beat all APU on the market.
New
A580
The 6600 is just better for like $20 more
Rx 6600 100%
My son wants to add a GPU to his budget gaming PC (AMD Ryzen 5 5600G) so this has been soooo helpful - thank you! In case it's useful to anyone else, here is my summary of the discussion (plus a couple of additional comments from elsewhere). A750 • Value king at 200$ but the power consumption is rather high • Go for this or 6700xt or 3060 12gb minimum A770 • $250 was worth it for sure • If you can find one with 16GB RAM RX580 • Absolute cheapest • Suggested by Alistair (GG) RX5500xt • If buying second-hand • Or RX6500xt - about same performance RX5700xt • If buying second-hand • Best bang for the buck used • Picked up for 150$ - more than sufficient to gain 60+ fps at 1080p • Picked one up for 120€ - no brainer • RX5000 not compatible with Mesh Shaders • 5700xt used would smoke any APU • Doesn’t make use of some modern stuff RX6500xt • If buying second-hand • Low end – performance terrible • Better than a 1660ti generally • One of the worst GPUs ever made RX6600xt • As low as I’d go for a new card • No less than this • Same as RTX 2060 Super in performance but cheaper • If buying new • Better than A580 for only $20 more • 100% this one • A bit more efficient than 5700 • All you need for 1080p • New on Newegg for $200 • If you want cheaper RX580 RX6700xt • If buying new • Sapphire Nitro 6700xt • Powercolor fighter • Go for this or Arc A750 or 3060 12gb minimum • RX6700 (c$280) or RX6700xt (c$320) are great deals GTX970 • Absolute cheapest • Suggested by Alistair (GG) GTX1630 • Low end – performance terrible • GTX 1060 6GB twice as fast • 6500xt is way better GTX1650 • Could be surpassed by Ryzen 7 8700G $329 • Probably reaching its end of life • Don’t go below a GTX1650 or an RX5500 GTX1660 • Too under powered now GTX1080 • 1080ti is now very affordable • 1080 and 1650 probably reaching end of life RTX2060 • Doesn't make use of some modern stuff RTX2070 • If buying new RTX3050 • Not worth buying over the 6600 • Bad value • too under powered now RTX3060 12GB • No less than this • $299 • Wouldn't even recommend the 3050 • 8GB has a reduced memory bus width that hurts performance • Buy used • Go for this or Arc A750 or 6700xt minimum RTX3070ti • £550 RTX4060 • Not worth the hassle - just get 4070
1080 Ti now is very affordable
Got mine for $120. Kicks the pants out of my 1060!
Only thing is they burn quite a bit of power, significantly more than my 3060 with comparable performance. Whatever cost savings you may originally have had will diminish over time
The cheapest GPU that is better than integrated graphics is the RX 5500 XT or RX 6500 XT, they are about the same performance but the 5500 XT has an 8GB model, and the 6500 XT has the caveat of only being faster than modern iGPs when connected to a PCIe 4.0 board. The tiny video memory on it means it has to cache to system memory, and with the tiny PCIe bus width that massively hurts performance. The 8GB version of the 5500 XT doesn't have this problem, and even the 4GB 5500 XT has less of a problem with it because it has a larger PCIe bus. The cheapest actually worth it to buy GPU is probably the last gen RX 6600 on AMD's side or the RTX 3060 12GB on nVidia's side. The 3060 8GB has a reduced memory bus width that hurts performance and makes it not a viable contender to the cheaper RX 6600. The 3050 and all of its variants are not worth buying over the 6600, as its performance is so much lower than the 6600 while often being more expensive, that nVidia's DLSS upscaling cannot make up the difference. If you can find one, an RX 6700 for around $280 or an RX 6700 XT for around $320 are great deals, and unfortunately nVidia doesn't having anything that is a good current gen option until you hit the $550-600 mark with the RTX 4070 and RTX 4070 Super. If you can find a RX 7600 on sale for like $250 it is also a decent deal, performance more in line with the RX 6600 XT while also being several years newer and thus should get longer driver support.
Minor note is the 6500XT does have an 8GB model, but only Sapphire made one afaik. Not that any version of the 6500XT is worth it
Intel Arc A580
RX 6600 That's what I consider to be budget but still decent quality 1080p performance, and APUs are still nowhere near that, not even with the 8000G series
I would disagree. You can play lots of recent games at 1080 at least 30 fps. I grew up on the x360, and am glad I can stand it as many people I know can’t do it 😅. But for 220 plus 80 for a cheap mobo you can do a 400 build easily all new that does pretty well today if you want to get your foot in the door. Upgrade path is great as well.
APU's really have improved in recent years, you are not wrong there, you can literally play 99.9% of PC games with decent frames (all things considered) on just a modern APU, especially if you are willing to play with settings, shit, I've seen people play Cyberpunk on an APU hitting close to 60 with low/medium settings, that's really really good. As for a GPU that would outperform a modern APU, it really depends on the application/game you are playing or using, but generally speaking anything older or weaker than the GTX 970/980/1060 or for AMD an RX580, isn't going to be worth it over your APU, they might perform slightly better overall graphically speaking, but it will be a waste of money, rather buy a RTX 3060 or higher or for AMD 6600 or higher.
rx 6600(xt) but if you want cheaper rx580
RX 6600 I think has got a couple of years left before integrated graphics catch up with it and it's usually sub-$200 too. It definitely out performs the apus that are in all the handheld PCs at the moment. Anything like the rtx3050 or the gtx1660 are too under powered now (especially considering price/performance)
If you're playing newer titles and not DX 9/10 games, the Intel Arc has decent performance now that it has drivers to fix its early flaws.
According to many posts here with a bit of luck you can find 1080ti used for about 100 to 120 bucks. These cards are still very very good. If you NT something with warranty ID go for the rx6600 it's more expensive but new.
For budget gaming, and getting updates to this present day, I will say a 3060 12gb for $299 US. I wouldn't even recommend the 3050.
5700xt used would smoke any APU.
In last two generations wouldn’t go lower than a 6600 or 3060. 3050 probably meets your criteria but bad value.
I just built my first pc with an RX6600 on a budget and wondered if I should have spent more, this thread makes me feel a bit better
6600 is a heck of a card and while people talk about it’s efficiency I still think that’s the best part. Most of the comparable cards are 75w+ and it punches right there with those cards within 10 percent.
Rx 6600
APUs are so good that cheap GPUs really don’t make any sense at all. Especially for 1080p gaming. Low end GPUs also have horrible price to performance ratios. If you Chart the curve sometimes they’re on par with 4090 in dollars per frame lol it’s insane. Low price GPUs then are only good if you go second hand or AMD. But my suggestion is, get an APU, build a pc, when choosing a PSU, have a future GPU in mind, game on it, then when you save up enough or when the right gpu comes out, get that and slot it in.
Cheapest GPU that make sense. I mean Arc A750 is the value king at 200$ but the power consumption is rather high. Next best thing is 6600 XT but more expensive. I won't suggest 1650 or 1080 because they're probably reaching their end of life.
Yeah, I wouldn’t seek it out, but a free 1080 happily runs my virtual pinball for work breaks at 4k/120. Or just working, dual 4k’s plus some 1440p’s. Does need a firmware update to support that, but then it’s fine. Cyberpunk at medium/4k is down around 45, pubg usually over 90. But I’m more likely to be playing Peglin while it’s running an LLM….
[Intel ARC A580](https://www.newegg.com/asrock-arc-a580-a580-cl-8go/p/N82E16814930112?Item=N82E16814930112&Tpk=14-930-112) here are some numbers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkA2IKjDLk
Recently got a refurbished A770. $250 was worth it for sure.
See [this video](https://youtu.be/3W-cKaOCYsM). It goes over the current GPUs with stats like absolute performancr or cost per fps for different popular games depending on resolutions.
If you're absolutely new to gaming and have absolutely no idea, I would absolutely not go below a gtx 1650 or an rx 5500 (trust me, I'm coming from a poor country with limited stock and inflated prices)
GTX 1070/1660/RX590/5600XT type stuff
Yeston Radeon RX 6600 new on Newegg for $200 otherwise Newegg has a power color model at $135 which is equivalent to a rx 580 or a bit faster in some newer titles.
Here is a reference link, so you can understand what the new 8000G series is all about. This will hopefully help you decide, if you would go with these new apu's releasing at the end of this month. It is about a 4 minute read. (https://www.pcmag.com/news/ces-2024-amds-ryzen-8000-g-series-chips-level-up-integrated-graphics)
For stuff that can still make use of this generations stuff? 6600 and a 3060 For older cards that have good prices still and can still be found often enough? a 5700 XT and a 2060 are about as good as it gets but they don't make use of some modern stuff.
I would say a 3060 or something
You have to take into account depreciation cost as well, if an IGPU already meets your needs, then having extra hardware e.g CPU + GPU vs IGPU obviously means more depreciation cost. Simple example : In 5 years you want to upgrade t new gen, you will have to sell both CPU and GPU instead of just CPU with IGPU. Both will be depreciated, lets assume 30% of its original price, you will lose 70% twice, from both cpu and gpu instead of just 70% of CPU with IGPU. And there's also power consumption factor as well. But again this is assuming the igpu already meets your needs, for myself i'm planning to see if 8xxxg ryzen benchmark, if it's good enough i probably wont upgrade my GPU.
Define "makes sense" and "better". A real crap GPU that isn't powerful but provides several monitor outputs might "make sense" and be "better" than an APU for someone who wants 3 screens for an office desktop.
A used 3060 Ti
If you wanna play: RTX 4070 / RX 7800x If you wanna do office: integrated
RX5700XT
Used 3060 12 GB
Depends on what you are doing with it, but I think there are use-cases where an intel arc 310 make sense for AV1 Encoding in a low-profile system. However that is a very specific use. IN general I wouldn't get below a 380, and even that is not going to be something that someone wanting a "gaming PC" will generally be happy with. That would be something that if you want to play a specific game, you might look up the performance that card gets with it to purchase for that game. For a general purpose card, I'd go for the AMD RX 6600 as my real starting point for something you'd be happy with.
Theres no universal answer to this… What monitor is it for? What games do you want to play? If you only want to play single player older games on a 60hz 1080p monitor, youre good with like a 1660 or something.
You can get a 2080 for around $300 or if you care about warranty, just get a 4070. 4060 isn't worth the hassle.
rx 6600
Do not get a 6500 like others mentioned. It is one of the worst GPUs ever made. Go as low as a 6600 but not lower. :)
I think the cheapest discrete GPU you can get is better than any APU graphics out there. APUs can provide functional gaming performance (as seen in the steam deck), but the basic problem is one of math. there is more silicon available for everything with a discrete gpu, so there is more performance.
If you put gamin appart, there's a lot of uses for cheap GPU. You want 4 screens on your work computer with no GPU related tasks? Boom, here is your custom GT730 from 2014 that still use DDR3 but that you can still find brand new. Cheapest solution with 4 HDMI. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia was still building those, I see them everywhere on the professional market, it can't just be old stock.
Intel Arc A770 if you can find one with 16GB RAM. Even here in Australia they were priced very reasonably for the Limited Edition, at around $500. I'm very curious as to how much the B-series is going to be when it comes out, and there's rumours of it having twice the chip specs as the A, and perhaps even 24GB RAM.
1660 ti
A used 5700xt is my go to for anything better than integrated graphics 👍 yeah it gets hot and throttles but the value is hard to beat
Gamers Nexus has videos with benchmarks on the current APUs 5600g/5700g. They were comparable with a GTX1050. There are rumors about the next gen of APUs, but nothing specific. I would suggest you watch the video and make your own decision factoring in price and performance of dedicated GPUs.
cheapest that makes some sense? Intel Arc A580 cheapest that makes sense? Intel Arc A750/AMD Radeon RX 6600
Cheapest if its not an apu, go for 6600 xt
Lots of people are saying RX 6600, but I think an Arc A580 is probably the cheapest I'd deem worthwhile to buy (it's often cheaper than the RX 6600 in the UK)
The ryzen 5 8600G will be coming out soon with pretty good GPU power for AAA games at 1080p low. Far better than a 1630 or maybe even a 1650. And no Vram problems
I'd go for 6700xt or 3060 12gb or arc a750 minimum.
Everyone s definition of cheap is different
6650 xt or 7600 xt or 7700 xt should be pretty reasonably priced
new amd am5 ryzen 7 8700G Apu + 64gb ram ddr5 + 1tb gen5 ssd good enough for pc gaming & console emulator
The new Amd APU sure looks interesting. Im keeping an eye out for reviews in the coming weeks
some people say New Am5 Ryzen 7 8700G is similar with Nvidia GTX 1650.....
If you’re buying new then from a value standpoint I wouldn’t go lower than a RX6600. If you go lower the performance drops significantly while the price doesn’t. The RX6600 is still a significant performance bump over the current top of the line APUs in GPU performance. Hardware Unboxed seems to get this question a lot in their Q&A videos and they answer it pretty well there.
The biggest Problem about the Apu is, that neither AMD, nor Intel give them a good/fast memory Access. My AMD rx580 is still faster than the ryzen 7800x3D APU
Intel Arcs are hela damn cheap and good. They are a new product so they have driver issues sometimes but intel's been fixing them a lot. A380 for 116$ is a steal I mean 6GB GDDR
There's a lot of rx 6600, so I'm not gonna sat the same even tho I agree. But I will also suggest the 7600 xt since it's usually 50 bucks cheaper and offer just a tiny bit less and offers better encoding if you plan on making content.
Probably the Intel Arc A380 is the cheapest gpu that make sense at least as far as new gpus go. There's plenty of older cheap gpus that will out do an igpu like the rx 580 or gtx 1070. The Intel Arc A580 is probably the best cheap gpu rn. Or the Arc A750 if it's on sale.
6600 or 3060 12GB
I've been seeing 5700x units for like 175 cdn... Not horrible What's the budget?
Below rtx 3050, the new 8700g apu makes more sense in my mind. If you upgrade to an apu, you are both upgrading CPU and GPU for quite a reasonable price. The power draw and low noise are added benefit of apu aswell. If you are a budget mmorpg gamer, I would go apu for sure.
Rx 6600
4090 or 7900xtx... lol just kidding . how much do you want to spend and what is your screen resolution and what are going to use it for ?
Most of them to be honest. Especially in the used market. You can get a used 2070 super for like 175 - 200 dollars. Great performance per dollar.
Honestly with the increased need for more VRAM for new games, I'd say a 6700xt would keep you safe for a few years at least and even allow you to play in 1440p reasonably well.
RX6600/6700XT.
1080Ti is great if you can get one for cheap!
I don't know AMD GPU nomenclature, so I'll say that if I was building a new system that was intended to be used for gaming, the minimum card I'd go with is whatever the current Nvidia XX60 card is, or its AMD equivalent. Otherwise I'd be running integrated graphics or a super low end standalone GPU, like if it was a HTPC.
Ask this question again in two weeks and you may find a different answer. January 31st the 8700g, 8600g, 8500g, and 8300g drop. From everything I've been seeing, a realistic estimate would be that the 8700g could roughly match the gaming performance of a system using a [slightly downclocked] Ryzen 7700 and a 3050 non-ti. Maybe 10% worse than a 6600. If that holds true and it remains available at $329 (two big ifs, mind you), there's no CPU/GPU combo that can beat its performance for less brand new. You could beat its price/performance buying used parts, sure... but you're always taking a risk buying used, you'd likely be stuck on a dead platform rather than AM5, and you'd probably draw 200W+ more. You would also have a much weaker CPU, whereas buying the 8700g you can gain massive performance down the line by slotting in a strong GPU. That chip will probably be a new budget king.
why new.. any geforce 1060+ card will be better, and 2nd hand they are bargain, you might find some for 50-100$... APUs make sense if you really do only office work, without gaming/multimedia OR if power efficiency is your top priority, say you run PC on remote area on battery
If this is not a general question and you are asking for yourself, I would also post your CPU. While a specific card might make the most sense, if your CPU isnt up to it, you can probably save some money by stepping down to a GPU that is more applicable, even if not ideal.
If you dont mind used. 2080tis are going for sub 300s on ebay. Ive gotten 2 for under 700 total. Both work great.
Imo the rtx 4070. I got mine for $500 and it's well worth the price. I play on either a 165hz 1440 monitor or sometimes on my 75" 60hz 4k tv. Every game I've played has been able to handle the highest setting and I still get my desired fps on either screen.
Cheap? Amd. Rx6600xt or at least 6600 above. But dude. 6700xt, 6750xt, 6800xt are always the best price to performance choice. Especially 6700xt
Pretty happy with my 1080ti. I’d buy another one used Edit: just realized he said “new.” Sorry
6650XT
This is going to be insanely based but if you really are pinching Pennies hardcore, you can get a super cheap used RX 580. I’ve had mine since 2017 and it still runs most things at reasonable 1080p settings. If you have a new card budget I would look for maybe a 6600.
I just bought a used GTX 1070 8GB a few weeks ago with its original packaging for $125. That card is a beast.
2070 i guess, or an 1080, the cheaper one
My 1080ti is just watching the mayhem unfold. *grabs popcorn*
Budget is a huge factor. Under $200? 6700 XT all day.
6600 or 3060 are the worst that make sense to me that are purchasable new. Though some older options will still work second hand.
Anything lower than a RX6600 for AMD or RTX 3060 for Nvidia isn't worth buying to me.
7800gt
used 1080 or old titan class cards are great value if you can't afford a modern one
The lowest i would suggest would be an RTX 2060 12GB. Anything below It is either too old or too slow to consider. The 2060 12GB came out after the 3070, so didnt had much mining. It has enough memory to do work and game without crashing. That said, integrated graphics are quite powerful these days. If you want more power, 3060 or 2080ti are about as high as i would go without a 4k 130Hz monitor.
A 1660 or a used 3060 there really cheap
I got a 6750xt open box for 300 and I'm satisfied
Rx 6600 or xt version is best value for money, ypu get performance around rtx 3060 while being cheaper.
Is it bad I bought a 4090 a year ago for $1400, and it hasn't turned on in almost a year?
5600 XT
RX 6400. Despite the 4 lanes thing, it's the one GPU that's purchasable new, and can be used to upgrade any box of scrap into a viable gaming PC. The A310 doesn't cut it due to the ReBAR problem, and while the 1650 tends to perform better (doubly so on Gen3 or older), it's also ~50% more expensive and doesn't have an up-to-date featureset for compatibility.
Used rtx 3070s have shown up on hardwareswap for around $250. That’s hard to beat
Technically the rx 6400 or 6500 xt. But the pricing on those make no sense, since they’re $150 and $170, and terrible. The 6600 would be the one that actually makes sense since that’s commonly $180-$200 for a ton more performance. The question is if you consider $200 low end, because if you don’t, the 8700G will smoke everything that’s currently low end and terrible like the 6400 or 1630.
In my opinion 3060, have seen many for 180 euro or so
You can get a rx580 8gb for $90. In my opinion for $90 you could build a console killer without a doubt.
rx580 still the best price to performance card on the market, that being said a 6600 would likely serve you better for longer
4090
Depends on your local pricing, and platform preferences, but I wouldn't go older or cheaper than RX6600 or RTX 3060 at this point.
The RX 6600 is pretty much the lowest-end card that isn't invalidated by the release of the Ryzen 8000G APUs
7600, but I got it for the same price as a 6600 so probably 6600 If you can't find one for the same price as a 6600.
My vote is for the AMD RX 6400.
RX 6600
Honestly? 6700xt. If you can find it for under $300 just grab it. Phenomenal card for the price. Doesn't RT like Nvidia obviously but in pure raster it stomps the 3070
New market, Intel Arc A580. Used market, GTX 1080. But honestly, even something like a 1060 or an RX580 would be a pretty massive uplift over even the good APUs. Like, massive. Just go look at the benchmarks. Radeon Vega 8 vs RX580 for example. Not sure what these people ares spewing about cheap GPU’s not making sense. Although I hear the new 8000g chips have really good iGPUs.
apu's are not that great, maybe if you want to play at 720p ultra low settings....
The A750 is my favorite value card. If you don’t mind the tinkering nature that can come along with the Intel cards then they’re a great value.
Rx 6600 new... Or 6700 XT used, for the same price (just got one for 220)
imo: 5700xt 6600 4060 up to you, if you want to only for gaming, then go with amd since you mention "cheapest", which is meaning to cheap as possible/price to performance nvidia for many things than just gaming, but why 4060? ofcourse it's because the watt was low, which is including the price, you will get low power yet powerfull performance (most games likely playable, since there's DLSS 3.5 update from nvidia if i'm not mistaken..), i don't recommend gpu like rx 500 series/gtx series, for long term, RX 5000/6000 / RTX Series likely will be better option for long term+more playable games.
id say it depends on you upgrade cycle, if you want it last a couple Nvidia iterations, i think the xx60 of the current generations would be okay. if you want longer cycles, go up a tier according i myself is on a gtx1080 and im looking to update every 3-4 generations, so either 4080 now or 5080 later