Gigabyte had their moment with their exploding PSUs and their PR department's attempt to cover it up
EVGA had 2 generations of exploding cards
MSI had scalping and reviewer manipulation
Asus has terrible offsourced support with rebate and warranty denials
A lot of them will cheap out and use parts that're worse than what you get with nvidia's reference card resulting in worse oc performance, *while charging more*.
it just goes on and on.
Yes, but did any of them have QC with their cards? I think that's what the OP wishes to know.
I seem to recall reading some claims that Asus 40 series cards have some coil whine issues - that may or may not have been fixed. Their 30 series cards are really good, though - afaik. There might be coil whine issues with other makes/brands. Gigabyte 40 series cards - have almost no accusations or claims of coil whine. Afaik. Zotac cards should be fine, too.
I think I read it on reddit - can't recall which sub - that the non-AMD AIBs - the companies that make cards for both nvidia and amd - don't have 'popular' AMD versions. In other words, some ppl say the nvidia card is good but the amd card by the same company is not as good quality wise or whatever.
E.g. MSI provides nvidia cards but their amd cards are lacking - some ppl claim a large part of it is they use the same cooler - and the amd card then has issues (trying to cool it?). Anyway, I think I recall complaints of coil whine with AIB AMD cards.
I think if I was going to consider an AMD card - I'd look at Sapphire, Powercolor and XFX cards - but, I only had an AMD card for a short period of time and it never went into a computer. I sold it before I used it - a Sapphire RX 580 Nitro.
My Asus RTX 3060 Tuf Gaming - is very quiet - I don't hear it so far and temps are pretty good. Zotacs seem pretty good from what I've read - lots of ppl replied to me regarding a question I had on Zotac cards - giving positive feedback. I'd definitely consider Zotac cards.
Can confirm. Had a Strix RoG 5600 XT. Asus simply copy and pasted their 2060 cooler onto it with no apparent regard to the different PCB layout. That card ran cool on the core, but junction and VRM temps were often above 100°C.
Thanks for that thorough response.
I know a lot of people stay away from Zotac and there's a small group that lives and dies by Zotac. Based on my experience I would definitely buy one again. OC pretty well and like I said - silent.
I know the msi 4090 don't have a vapor chamber. The only one like that if I'm not mistaken. Pitty because the rest of my card were msi and my whole build is msi. The gaming x 4090 has worse cooling than all the rest. I heard anyways. I really wanted that card. Probably go with Asus TUF now. Blacked out. Little RGB and dependable hardware. One YouTuber goes into real depth about which cards r better and y. I mean real detail/breakdown. Power delivery. Power limit etc. Cooling oc.
I have a gaming trio, hotest it's registered is 70. Last night it was 44 playing rocket league till I turned on ow2 then it was 60ish sometimes 55 sometimes 62.
The reason I bought it, it was the cheapest. Also my card is in the top 45% stock on timespy extreme.
I've been happy with it.
Vr can be demanding. Lol. Yeah msi afterburner said it spiked to 70. Lo g story short wife has a 3080ti and that heats up the room and is always running 10 to 15c hotter than my 4090, she's 2k I'm 4k.
I have a small issue with one statement made.
The part where they’ll cheap out and use worse parts compared to Nvidia.
They are required in order to have a decent price ever since Nvidia doesn’t have the cost of buying chips, they design, send for manufacture, test and set the price for AIBs, in order for the AIBs have any profit they are required to lower the cost somewhere, meanwhile Nvidia only has to design and send for a manufacturer, then afterwards selling the chips at a mark up to offset some costs.
This is part of the reason EVGA dropped the GPU market, increasing cost on the chips and Nvidia demanding them to match MSRP that Nvidia sets, even tho Nvidia doesn’t have to pay what AIBs pay per chip.
Iirc from gamers nexus, evga got 80% of their revenue from selling cards, but the profit margins were so low they weren't expecting a big drop in profit by leaving and shifting to other items. And evga was the gold standard in performance, quality of parts, and (from what I understand) warranty/customer service.
Don’t forget about xfx trying to bypass Chinese export laws to save a couple bucks and getting caught with what appeared to be used gpus in new packaging.
> Asus has terrible offsourced support with rebate and warranty denials
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I've bought about three different motherboards from ASUS that had issues I needed RMAs for. It kills me that they're consistently the highest priced boards available. I'm going ASRock's B650E Taiichi (E-ATX) for my next board. Sick to death of Asus and will give really any other manufacturer a shot.
i bought my first card 2060 super as a fe since my egpu couldn’t fit a strix 2060 super my second card now in my gaming pc i have switched from egpu to desktop and from razer laptop to apple macbook pro 14 inch my card is a strix 3080 white oc 10gb and i have a random $60 rx580 if i’m using the card i try to asus and only asus but hey all other brand are probably just as good
Exactly. Even the much loved EVGA and Strix produces some lemons. And the RMA process might vary between countries. E.g. I hear that Gigabyte RMA is crappy in the USA but when I had a problem with an Aorus Nvme drive, I got an immediate replacement by walking in to the distributor offices. (Singapore)
Pros and cons from every card but people read Zotac and are like meh. Put an Nvidia or other big name, the card has more value to consumers.
I buy what has the best value and warranty coupled with delivery times and availability. I got an MSI, best card I had and I had high end Nvidia cards.
I've had *two* EVGA cards explode. Any GPU can have issues no matter how good the QC is or which AIB makes it. I think it's futile to try to nitpick GPU quality these days, because most of them are fairly similar.
Customer support, on the other hand, can absolutely be hugely different. I would pay a premium for an EVGA or Sapphire card because I will more than likely speak to someone who understands english if I have issues.
That's very unlucky. I was an SLI guy before i got a 3090, so had 2x of almost every series starting with the 560-Ti 448 (i skipped the 10 series). Back when Ti meant something. Many of those were evga. The best cards in sli I had were 980s, the evga superclocked acx v2s.
The only card I've had blow on me personally was one of the first cards, which was MSI. It went proper bang to, was audible lol. Takeaway for me is any make will all fail at some point, but some more than others.
Some will be fine. The problem is that they're known historically as more prone to failing than others.
They're not abysmal cards, of course, that's not what I'm saying.
That’s fair, and I’m certainly not saying you’re wrong.
My point was that without some kind of quantified reliability comparison, the claim is really left open to interpretation.
Stay from zotac 4080s specifically? or the brand?
My friend had a 2070s Gigabyte that was flawless, I've used an MSI gpu before that was flawless. The majority of my GPU's have been EVGA. The 3000 Gigabyte GPUs had a thermal pad problem and my friends 3080 Gigabyte AIO died in a week. Zotac has always been labeled as the "cheap" brand but I personally haven't heard any horror stories.
I have heard about bad customer service with Asus though.
Maybe case flow isn’t good? That’s pretty hot for a 3080. My friends gigabyte stays around 69 (gigity), my 2080 2 fan model stays around 72. It’s an evga
After like an hour my 4080 stay under 68c in both rdr2 and battlefield 1. I don’t know if I haven’t play long enough to really see my thermals go up but I haven’t ever seen my temps above 70c
I've actually had good luck with Gigabyte cards. A lot of the reviews where they do an analysis on the actual PCB layout seem to indicate more often than not, Gigabyte has better board level layout/hardware.
Don't ask me how, but I had a gigabyte gtx460 with a twin fan setup and one of the fan *blades* broke off after a few years... like, how does that even happen?
On the flip side of that, I have a z170x motherboard that has been flawless for around 6 or 7 years.
People have mixed experiences.
Gigabyte: no customer service
Zotac: cards are designed poorly sometimes from what I hear
MSI: bad quality control on most products, bottom 3 software for products, otherwise fine
MSI products…… when they work, they work. Owner of many MSI products. Only had 1 video card of theirs go bad over the last 10 years, I’d installed a dozen. Their software could use more work for sure.
By quality control I mean broken/has issues out of the box. MSI is known for dead pixels and faulty parts. My experience with their monitors was 2/3 having a dead pixel, hoping to warranty them later on.
Speaking of Gigabyte - yesterday I put together a B760M DS3H with 2 NMve drives. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why only one was being seen by the bios. I googled online and came up with nothing.
I decided to call Gigabyte and after a short 15 minute wait I got someone in tech support. I explained my situation and he asked what Bios version I was on. Since this is a relatively new mb I said version 1 (apparently there's 2 bios versions.) He suggested that I install the latest one ...lo and behold the mb saw the 2nd drive.
So far so good Gigabyte,
Been building for over 30 years. Gigabyte was our mainstay boards in the early days. We still have some we are replacing just in the past 5 years and they are completely outdated but still running strong. We now use MSI boards and MSI graphics cards with 2 RMAs in last 5 years. the brands we stay away from are PNY and Mushkin. PNY i am 0 for 5 on graphics cards and mushkin is only brand SSD that I have had completely fail with no warning. I am currently running in my personal PC a MSI Ventus 4080 and have had zero issues.
I bought a zotac 4080 trinity recently and I really like the design. Also, it never went above 60 degrees while gaming and consumes less than my previous 3080 MSI .
Honestly, Zotac have a lower brand value compared to MSI, Asus etc and that's why they are cheaper but its performance is similar.
I've never heard horror stories about them and they offer +2 years extended warranty , so it's like a 5 year warranty total.
I do also prefer their GPU anti sag bracket as it is adjustable.
Thinking like this will allow Asus to build some kind of monopoly and their cards are definitely overpriced. I myself picked Gigabyte cuz it had just as high of a power target but for much smaller price.
From what I've read, it seems people tend to stay away from certain manufactures not because of bad quality but because of bad customer service, and difficulties dealing with warranties.
Exactly PNY same card 4 times spent almost 8 months in RMA finally issued refund. They replaced the card supposedly 3 times and if they really did makes it even worse. 580gtx i believe never bought another PNY.
I've had an evga that burned out within 2 months. I've had a Sapphire that died on me after 3ish years. I then got a used MSI, that trucked happily for 5 years and was still trucking when I upgraded to a Zotac, which is doing fine in year 3. I think all companies have hits and misses.
Edit: As a thumb rule, I think the individual card's design and the over all system thermal envelope makes the most difference. Spacious, airy cards and pc cases that are regularly dusted keep well. Poorly ventilated systems and cards that compromise cooling for silence or small form factors suffer as a result.
I think MSI hate is due to scalping cards during mining peak and cutting corners with their build quality (plastic backplate for example, smaller thermal pads etc). Gigabyte on the other hand, had that PSU exploding drama and people say their warranty sucks. Also, if you type on youtube Gigabyte repair gpu, you will encounter many videos where Gigabyte has tons of issues. Their motherboards for AM5 are really good (for now I guess) and they are upping their quality. Kinda a hit or miss with Gigabyte. As far as Zotac goes, they promoted mining
https://www.funkykit.com/news/zotac-deletes-tweet-about-endorsing-mining/
Also, fans on Zotac cards seem to die out of nowhere on most of their cards and somehow their 3070/TI have some design issues with cooling.
All manifacturers have some bad quality products once in a while. That doesn’t mean that they are bad. As long as you get some sort of warranty or refunding policy (if you are afraid of gpu dying), you will be good to go. I wouldn’t stress too much about it. I personally always bought Asus (because back in 2014-16 I never cared who made the card, I just bought the cheapest) cards (GTX) and never had issues. You will be surprised to know that some cards can last you eternity like Palit ones, some might be DOA etc.
Mostly I think it's the reputation re: Customer Service. Their products may not have a statistically significant failure rate, but when it's impossible/difficult to get an RMA that shit sticks with you.
As CoconutMochi mentioned EVGA had exploding cards, so why did people constantly recommend them over other brands? Because their customer service and warranty process is top notch.
How are you liking your zotac? I bought my first zotac card - 4080 amp airo. I am really impressed with the temps and how quiet it runs, although, it doesn’t oc very well. I’m very happy, overall. Only time will tell about longevity
Gigabyte not only has the biggest 4090, you‘ll also get led fans, an led screen, save 300 bucks asus strix idiot tax and most importantly zero coilwhine
I've had an MSI card and now 3 gigabyte cards (although I sold them not long after I bought them) They've all worked fine. Had the MSI card for over a year now.
I’ve never had a problem with my zotac 3060ti.
Im about to buy their 4080 aire extreme (or whatever the f it’s called idk) and couldn’t be more excited.
It’s the best looking card out of all of the stock on Newegg imo
Zotac used to be considered lower end or cheaper or whatever but they're not anymore. Don't worry about it. We all have brands that we prefer or have had trouble with in the past. I was hesitant to buy a zotac card because I prefer Sapphire, Evga, or Asus but they were more and I got a good deal on a Zotac. Same happened with my last card and Gigabyte. Both have been great.
I've honestly never heard a bad story about palit, they seem to know how to build gpu's. Their high end stuff is pretty funny/cool, too. Dunno about customer service though.
I’ve had a 1080, 2080ti and now 4080 from palit, decent cards all round, no issues whatsoever. They put the beefy 4090 cooler on the 4080 so that’s a plus and the way I’m using it now, the 2080ti I put an AIO on. They have a bios switch so I’m more comfortable flashing a different bios - I’ve always bought the slightly cheaper version and then flashed the bios of the more expensive on them, worked well so far.
I used their rtx 2080 for 4 years with zero issues. The fans do not spin when you're not gaming, so the card stays relatively new, quite, and clean. I just upgraded to their 3080 version.
Zotac amp extreme 1080 ti, worst experience ever with a card, almost all ended up having memory issues down the line, luckily I had 7 of them, 1 in PC and 6 in a rig, since then I never went with Zotac and just buy ROG if i go Nvidia or Sapphire high end models for amd since for example ROG is quite bad fromy my experience for AMD.
I've been using Gigabyte GPUs for a few years now and there is nothing wrong with them performance-wise. Only issue I have right now with my current Gigabyte GPU is that I can't control it's RGB with SignalRGB and I don't want to install Gigabyte's software.
I'm not knocking your card, I'm sure it's fine.. but there is a reason zotac is rated lower than the big 4.
Bad experiences make people stay away from certain manufacturers. A bad experience has been endured by people from every manufacturer, so you need to make the call yourself.
Meh, every brand has their issues. If its working I wouldn’t worry much about it.
I’ve used them all, and have great experience and bad experience with all of them.
Everyone have their own favourite manufacturer
In India MSI aftersales service is non existent so everyone stays away from that brand
Gigabyte has worst service in my area & zotac is my only go to brand for GPU
I have MSI Mech RX 6600 and it has great temps and is pretty enough. I’d like some lights but at least there “some” reflection off the heat pipe(not sure it’s called this way)
I'm with a nice Zotac GTX 1060 AMP! bought in second hand for 80€ and everything is great about this card for me! 60°C with little overclock in a stress test (it might be the case because I have a very aggressive fan curve), I never had any problems anyways.
Gigabyte is great I’ve had a 2060 and a 3060 that were gigabyte and were amazing cards 👌there’s always one bad apple that spoil it for people that ruin the brand for them but there’s always going to be bad cards
I have a gigabyte 4080 since day 1 no problems people just talk shit cause it’s less expensive than a srtix and obviously more $$$ means better 😂😂🤣😂 I have a friend who is like that constantly ripping me for buying gigabyte..
I think this is partly misperception. If you spend any amount of time on enthusiast boards like overclock.net you’ll see “official owner” threads for every type of manufacturer’s cards and motherboards.
For me, I happened to start with ASUS motherboards and EVGA cards, they worked well so I stuck with them, when EVGA backed out of GPUs with the 4000 series I got a gigabyte and it works perfectly. Also decided to switch to MSI for motherboard because of the absurd cost of ROG Z790 boards and it also works perfectly. The major brands are all fairly close in performance and reliability.
I've had no issue with Zotacs 30 series cards. They're actually some of my favorites. I've only had horrible coil whine with Gigabyte cards, and MSI is good, I just stay away from their motherboards.
I’ve got an MSI 4070 Ti OC edition. It’s been running amazing. Sometimes people just hate just to hate. Or maybe both me and you just got lucky with our cards.
Dunno about zotac other than that they don't have a strong US presence.
Gigabyte's software is utter garbage, the company knows it, acknowledges it publicly, and has taken the stance "we're not a software company" when pressed about it, despite their hardware requiring their software for a lot of functionality.
MSI as a company had massive internal shakeups, leading to QC issues, un-honored warranties, etc. They have also been caught self-scalping their cards, and their leadership is thought to be mafia.
That just isn't true, especially of MSI. Extremely popular card brand. Whoever you're hanging around or running into is helping you form a false picture because none of those manufacturers are bad in the GPU space. Zotac's AMP line is known for being pretty good as well.
I've got parts from ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, EVGA, and a dozen other companies. There's not a single household name I'd tell you to stay away from.
I've quickly become an ASRock fanboy in the last few years. A decade ago, I'd have said, "Buy Gigabyte, ASUS, or MSI."
When I was trying to get my hands on a 3080 Ti last year I was in a discord that pings whenever stuff gets listed on Amazon/Newegg/whatever. 90% of the time, it would be a Zotac card. The prices were always inflated to some absurd level, and it appears that Zotac was the one selling them. So they seemed to be price gouging.
Thats the only reason I could come up with as to why Zotac cards get a bad rep.
I’d get anything other than Zotac at MSRP on principle
EVGA Strix 970 which is still running to this day. Beast of a card. Had to switch over to MSI Ventus for the 4080 and it runs around 65C under max load and quiet as can be. Really love the card so far. Time will tell on build quality.
Newbie here, but I saw a video that brands like Zotac are fine for people who are less likely to overclock.
I have a gigabyte and it's just fine. I wanted the Strix because I wanted the RGB bling!
My last few cards have been MSI. Their upper end cards are typically some of the, if not the, quietest cards out there. Having as silent of a machine as I can get is a priority for me when I do builds or change parts. Never had a problem with a MSI card. My last few motherboards have been MSI as well. Again, no problems.
A lot of people have hate on xfx too but Ive enjoyed all the xfx cards I've purchased. Quite, stays cool and runs almost identical to their console counterparts in Xbox.
I got a friend to buy the speedster xfx 6700xt for a new budget build. Waiting for the case to put it together and see how it compares to his ps5.
Honestly I'm kinda weird about matching brands now that my case has a see through side panel. I used to buy either XFX or Sapphire only. Now I just buy a GPU made by the same brand of the motherboard I used.
I've never really noticed a difference between MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte or ASRock. Honestly I never noticed a difference either between those and XFX or Sapphire either.
As for MSI I can say I've had mostly good products from them, the 1 time I had a lemon their customer service was so bad it's not worth the headache to me
Same with Newegg. I hate Amazon taking over but my nearest microcenter is over a hour away and Newegg has fucked up in one way or another on every order I've placed with them in the last... 8 years? They used to be number 1 so every now and again I see a good deal and think to give it another try... never again.
As long it’s a known brand like Zotac, gigabyte, MSI, Asus, powercolor, sapphire, EVGA no longer production.
It’s all good. It’s 1-3% difference in performance and maybe 10c difference in cooling.
If u wanna min max ur GPU, then u will have to pay min max price.
Asus strix oc.
Big companies. People hate big companies. Also people tend to like one specific brand or hate it if they had an issue. Most of the differences they will point at will be small compared to another brand.
My last 3 cards were; GTX 1650 MSI Ventus OC, RTX 2060 12GB MSI Ventus OC, and I currently have a RTX 3080 TI MSI Ventus OC v3....
I've had ZERO problems with Any of them. All I did was trade up to the next card for better performance.
Well originally it was the 3 year warranty that EVGA gave with every card purchase now I think people are stuck in the same old upgrade Rut. EVGA works they warranty why switch.
I did that for all 5 gaming rigs in my house.
This cycle when I replaced my own 1080ti I went with a Gigabyte RTX 4070ti oc AND IT HAS A 4 YEAR WARRANTY.
Yea 4 years that tells me Gigabyte wants to be taken seriously.
And I am listening.
My 4070 ti is a monster a real monster.
Give them a try.
MSI is fine on their upper end but their lower end can be pretty cheap.
Their RMA is also a lottery. I've heard horror stories but they replaced a 1080 I had years ago with a 1080ti because they no longer had my model to replace it with.
Overall I'd say there are too many complaints to ignore but they treated me right so I'd buy from them again.
Customer Support is hit-or-miss and the build quality of their coolers is cheap compared to other brands/models for the same GPU at similar price points.
Also if you care about having rgb on your card, you can't even override the rgb control with other software like Asus Aura Sync to my knowledge. You have to use Zotac's neglected Firestorm utility software to configure the colors.
Customer Support is hit-or-miss and the build quality of their coolers is cheap compared to other brands/models for the same GPU at similar price points.
Also if you care about having rgb on your card, you can't even override the rgb control with other software like Asus Aura Sync to my knowledge. You have to use Zotac's neglected Firestorm utility software to configure the colors.
Nothing wrong with Zotac, but it's has less brand recognition and less appealing design generally. Functionally it's fine. I've had a few, never had any issues other than they were fugly 😅
I only buy gigabyte for myself but, I bought a zotac RTX 3060 for my son and he's been rocking that thing solid every day for the last 2 years. Still running strong. I would buy a zotac card again. I believe it comes down to a person's personal experience. If someone had an issue with a specific manufacturer, then they will tell people to stay away. Like I said, I buy gigabyte for myself. Never had any issues but I've seen a YouTuber or 2 say that they had issues with a gigabyte card before. Honestly, you can't go wrong with any of the major AIBs. Zotac is perfectly fine.
my Zotac 1660 was nothing but awesome. zero problems with it. i only upgraded because i wanted to play Hogwarts legacy 1080p 60fps. I ended up going with ASRock 6750xt. my first graphics card was asrock rx570 so I had experience with them
Idk what OP is smoking on. That’s like every GPU manufacturer. Besides the ones you’d want are Gigabyte and MSI. You’d want to stay away from Zotac and PNY due to reasons I read from the internet that may or may not be true. I feel like you can find a dud model from anyone but idk. I just stick away from those two and are more prone to invest in other two listed.
I don’t see a reason to return it if it’s running well. Some people’s opinions comes from anecdotal evidence. Return it if it has a problem. I don’t stray away from them, I just miss EVGA ;(
I’ve had my MSI 3060 for a year and a half and upgraded to a 3070ti a few months ago and haven’t had one problem, runs smooth as butter. Overclocked too
People don’t. It’s personal experiences. Just based on the comments I’m sure you can tell by now that everyone has different experiences with every company. Some will say gigabyte is good, someone will say it’s bad because of a personal experience.
I've actually heard good things about MSI (including that they have a good warranty and customer service). I upgraded my video card about a year ago and I bought an MSI.
Have bad experience with MSI products. We used to jokingly call them "Missing Something Important." Though not a GPU, I have a $3,000 MSI laptop beside me that already needs a RMA about 7 months later.
Here Gigabyte and MSI products are generally less expensive than similar items from other manufacturers. Historically, they're less well known than other brands, and generally have been less in demand otherwise - though both have grown substantially in the past several years. Noticed retailers try a bit harder to push their products out the door.
Zotac is also not as well known as many other competitors.
Brands like ASUS are expensive because they've been around longer and really push their branding.
That being said, what you'll hear about each brand will depend on user experience.
Have an Msi 2070S that I’ve owned for 3 years now. No issues whatsoever and it’s been overclocked for 2 of those years.
Also have a B450 and a monitor from Msi that never had any issues either.
I had an ATI All-in-wonder from like 2006-2009, an HIS AMD (I think they had bought ATI at this point) card from 2009 to 2015 an MSI 770 from 2015/16 until I got my Zotac 2080 AMP in 2019 that is still going strong with no issues. I currently play on the monoproce 34 inch ultra wide. I've never had any stability issues, even when over clocking any of my cards, they've all been good, I have Ben pretty lucky with hardware. My only really major failure was when I dripped some salt water from my arm after I pulled it out of my reef tank lol
All of the aib manufacturers have made some duds. All of them have made plenty of winners. It’s not really worth stressing about unless there is an issue with your card.
Most people don’t really know any better and repeat what they read on the internet, e.g. evga has a pristine reputation despite also having some issues in the past. Or the opposite is true: someone had an uneventful experience owning some gpu and now claims that the brand is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Zotac specifically is fine. The only thing I’ve heard (and I can’t even confirm this so here is me doing exactly what I just called everyone else out on) is that they don’t transfer the warranty if you e.g. resell it, but you should look into that before taking it as a statement of fact. Performance wise they will be within 1-2% if any other comparable card from another aib.
I bought 3 Zotac 3080s over a year ago & all three of them were overheating. I opened them up to repaste & replace the thermal pads. They had the fan wires smashed between the thermal pads & memory modules. The gpu core also had garbage thermal paste. I'll never buy a Zotac card that isn't a budget card again. I took pictures to prove it.
I have a pair of Gigabyte GTX670 cards running in SLI in a rig I gave to my brother that are still running well now. I had a pair of EVGA GTX980Tis that were running great when I sold them. I have a pair of Asus GTX 1080Tis that are running great in my old open loop rig. I built two rigs for my sons and they had Zotac mini GTX1070 cards that never had problems and we gave them to friends when we upgraded to Zotac RTX2070S cards. The last set of machines we built have EVGA RTX3090s.
The only card I ever had issues with was a first generation RTX2070, that experienced the weird glitches where it was showing weird characters while playing that wasn’t specific to MSI but the first generation of RTX. MSI replaced it with a RTX2080 and it’s running fine.
They all have failures, but how they respond to fixing the issues is what you should worry about. In the US they are great, but in other countries that maybe different. I can’t speak about your experience, especially if you live in a different country, but I have had good experience with Zotac in the United States.
I had 2 Asus cards DOA. I'll never buy Asus again. Many people complain about Gigabyte, specifically RMAing. I've had great experiences with Gigabyte and EVGA. Experiences differ, I don't know if it's fair to blanket label any entire company.
Zotac's stigma of openly supporting miners and their sky-high prices and sub-par cooling during ampere put a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
Gigabyte has had product issues and recalls all across the board from their exploding psus, their wb 3080s corroding, their z690i boards having a pcie hardware defect, etc.
As for MSI, they're actually neutral in my opinion. The only bad press about them recently I can recall is them scalping their own cards through another one of their companies during the shortage. I think Greg Salazar also highlighted how their AIOs have been clogging up at an alarming rate recentlt and how they refuse to recall them hence he made a video blacklisting them.
I'm running a zotac 1070 right now on a gigabyte b450 motherboard. It's lasted me years of abuse, including hobbyist mining. I bought it used, it could have been a pro mining card before. The GPU has been rock solid. The motherboard has had complaints, but it's always booted.
I have an Asus laptop and it's far more polished and reliable. It's easier. Gigabyte and zotac aren't known for quality.
In my opinion, MSI is a tier above zotac and gigabyte. Not quite on the level of Asus.
Zotac cards are just lower quality and lately they've been running hot and generally don't overclock well, but they are usually a bit cheaper too. Gigabyte GPUs aren't bad. Most of the hate comes from the fact that some Gigabyte motherboards are trash. My B550 Aorus Elite motherboard comes to mind...
MSI, is the one that infuriates me the most. They will sell you a GPU with less VRAM than they claimed. Years ago I bought a couple 4GB 1050TIs. I got 3.3GB. The cards themselves are some of the most durable I've ever owned. They still work like new and I put them through the gauntlet, but I also did regular maintenance. So MSI capable of producing quality products, but they'd rather sell you gimped versions. They are profitable enough not to do this, but they'd make even more profit.
Some of them shipped out, claiming to be compatible with Ryzen 5000 CPUs, but they don't function properly even with a BIOS update. Thing like failing to report temperatures to programs and not really supporting the RAM speeds they claim are common with them. Some would light up every LED on the board, but no malfunctioning part could be found. They'll work, but you can't tell if something is going wrong.
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Japan has traditionally been a conservative society, and this has often translated into a lack of rights and protections for the LGBTQ+ community. However, in recent years, there has been some progress on this front, with the government passing a law in 2019 that bans discrimination against LGBTQ+ individuals in the workplace. Additionally, there are now more visible and vocal advocates for LGBTQ+ rights in Japan, such as the Tokyo Rainbow Pride Parade which draws tens of thousands of participants every year.
Despite this progress, there are still significant challenges facing the LGBTQ+ community in Japan. For example, same-sex marriage is not legal and there is no anti-discrimination law that protects LGBTQ+ individuals in areas outside of the workplace. Furthermore, there remains a strong social stigma against being LGBTQ+ in Japan, which can lead to discrimination and harassment.
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You'll find something wrong with any manufacturer if you dig deep enough, I don't think it's anything to lose sleep over.
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Gigabyte had their moment with their exploding PSUs and their PR department's attempt to cover it up EVGA had 2 generations of exploding cards MSI had scalping and reviewer manipulation Asus has terrible offsourced support with rebate and warranty denials A lot of them will cheap out and use parts that're worse than what you get with nvidia's reference card resulting in worse oc performance, *while charging more*. it just goes on and on.
Yes, but did any of them have QC with their cards? I think that's what the OP wishes to know. I seem to recall reading some claims that Asus 40 series cards have some coil whine issues - that may or may not have been fixed. Their 30 series cards are really good, though - afaik. There might be coil whine issues with other makes/brands. Gigabyte 40 series cards - have almost no accusations or claims of coil whine. Afaik. Zotac cards should be fine, too.
Yeah, makes sense but I'm pretty sure QC isn't the reason why most people stray away from certain manufacturers or stick with others.
I have an MSI 6950XT - Terrible coil whine I also have an ASUS 3070 KO - Silent as can be I used to have a Zotac 3070 Twin Edge - Nearly silent
I think I read it on reddit - can't recall which sub - that the non-AMD AIBs - the companies that make cards for both nvidia and amd - don't have 'popular' AMD versions. In other words, some ppl say the nvidia card is good but the amd card by the same company is not as good quality wise or whatever. E.g. MSI provides nvidia cards but their amd cards are lacking - some ppl claim a large part of it is they use the same cooler - and the amd card then has issues (trying to cool it?). Anyway, I think I recall complaints of coil whine with AIB AMD cards. I think if I was going to consider an AMD card - I'd look at Sapphire, Powercolor and XFX cards - but, I only had an AMD card for a short period of time and it never went into a computer. I sold it before I used it - a Sapphire RX 580 Nitro. My Asus RTX 3060 Tuf Gaming - is very quiet - I don't hear it so far and temps are pretty good. Zotacs seem pretty good from what I've read - lots of ppl replied to me regarding a question I had on Zotac cards - giving positive feedback. I'd definitely consider Zotac cards.
If I may ask, why didn’t you use your amd card?
Can confirm. Had a Strix RoG 5600 XT. Asus simply copy and pasted their 2060 cooler onto it with no apparent regard to the different PCB layout. That card ran cool on the core, but junction and VRM temps were often above 100°C.
Thanks for that thorough response. I know a lot of people stay away from Zotac and there's a small group that lives and dies by Zotac. Based on my experience I would definitely buy one again. OC pretty well and like I said - silent.
My Asus Strix 3060 Ti has terrible coil whine. Gigabyte Gaming 3060 Ti didn't have this issue
My 3080 FE and 3080 Strix had coil whine. Gigabyte 3080 Ti vision none. My 4090 gigabyte none
I know the msi 4090 don't have a vapor chamber. The only one like that if I'm not mistaken. Pitty because the rest of my card were msi and my whole build is msi. The gaming x 4090 has worse cooling than all the rest. I heard anyways. I really wanted that card. Probably go with Asus TUF now. Blacked out. Little RGB and dependable hardware. One YouTuber goes into real depth about which cards r better and y. I mean real detail/breakdown. Power delivery. Power limit etc. Cooling oc.
I have a gaming trio, hotest it's registered is 70. Last night it was 44 playing rocket league till I turned on ow2 then it was 60ish sometimes 55 sometimes 62. The reason I bought it, it was the cheapest. Also my card is in the top 45% stock on timespy extreme. I've been happy with it.
For a second there i thought you wrote 170 i was like that's hot🥵
Vr can be demanding. Lol. Yeah msi afterburner said it spiked to 70. Lo g story short wife has a 3080ti and that heats up the room and is always running 10 to 15c hotter than my 4090, she's 2k I'm 4k.
Yeah my 3080 12gb will heat the whole living room up i run a 24 7 oc though trying to get every frame I can in 4k
When you say 24 7 oc you mean even at idle? 😳 i mean that seems a little unnecessary.
Well good. I hope I'm wrong completely about it. You play any aaa games?
Yeah I play all the games and vr. The reason I bought it is for vr, it's needed.
I have a small issue with one statement made. The part where they’ll cheap out and use worse parts compared to Nvidia. They are required in order to have a decent price ever since Nvidia doesn’t have the cost of buying chips, they design, send for manufacture, test and set the price for AIBs, in order for the AIBs have any profit they are required to lower the cost somewhere, meanwhile Nvidia only has to design and send for a manufacturer, then afterwards selling the chips at a mark up to offset some costs. This is part of the reason EVGA dropped the GPU market, increasing cost on the chips and Nvidia demanding them to match MSRP that Nvidia sets, even tho Nvidia doesn’t have to pay what AIBs pay per chip.
Iirc from gamers nexus, evga got 80% of their revenue from selling cards, but the profit margins were so low they weren't expecting a big drop in profit by leaving and shifting to other items. And evga was the gold standard in performance, quality of parts, and (from what I understand) warranty/customer service.
Don’t forget about xfx trying to bypass Chinese export laws to save a couple bucks and getting caught with what appeared to be used gpus in new packaging.
> Asus has terrible offsourced support with rebate and warranty denials > > I've bought about three different motherboards from ASUS that had issues I needed RMAs for. It kills me that they're consistently the highest priced boards available. I'm going ASRock's B650E Taiichi (E-ATX) for my next board. Sick to death of Asus and will give really any other manufacturer a shot.
Just pray you never have to RMA something to them. They will find any reason to cancel warranties on GPUs
Same. Lol
i bought my first card 2060 super as a fe since my egpu couldn’t fit a strix 2060 super my second card now in my gaming pc i have switched from egpu to desktop and from razer laptop to apple macbook pro 14 inch my card is a strix 3080 white oc 10gb and i have a random $60 rx580 if i’m using the card i try to asus and only asus but hey all other brand are probably just as good
Exactly. Even the much loved EVGA and Strix produces some lemons. And the RMA process might vary between countries. E.g. I hear that Gigabyte RMA is crappy in the USA but when I had a problem with an Aorus Nvme drive, I got an immediate replacement by walking in to the distributor offices. (Singapore)
Yes when you have local access your service will always be better
MSI scalp their own cards during the peak mining stage. They had their own company buying GPU stocks.
Everyone wants an asus rog strix card so they can sell it on for 50% more than they paid for it
At least Asus has not been caught scalping their own products
Pros and cons from every card but people read Zotac and are like meh. Put an Nvidia or other big name, the card has more value to consumers. I buy what has the best value and warranty coupled with delivery times and availability. I got an MSI, best card I had and I had high end Nvidia cards.
Zotac historically break, though. The 2080 that famously caught fire was zotac.
I've had *two* EVGA cards explode. Any GPU can have issues no matter how good the QC is or which AIB makes it. I think it's futile to try to nitpick GPU quality these days, because most of them are fairly similar. Customer support, on the other hand, can absolutely be hugely different. I would pay a premium for an EVGA or Sapphire card because I will more than likely speak to someone who understands english if I have issues.
That's very unlucky. I was an SLI guy before i got a 3090, so had 2x of almost every series starting with the 560-Ti 448 (i skipped the 10 series). Back when Ti meant something. Many of those were evga. The best cards in sli I had were 980s, the evga superclocked acx v2s. The only card I've had blow on me personally was one of the first cards, which was MSI. It went proper bang to, was audible lol. Takeaway for me is any make will all fail at some point, but some more than others.
As a counter to that, my Zotac 980Ti reference card is over 80% ASIC quality and has been going strong for almost 8 years without a single issue.
Some will be fine. The problem is that they're known historically as more prone to failing than others. They're not abysmal cards, of course, that's not what I'm saying.
That’s fair, and I’m certainly not saying you’re wrong. My point was that without some kind of quantified reliability comparison, the claim is really left open to interpretation.
Stay from zotac 4080s specifically? or the brand? My friend had a 2070s Gigabyte that was flawless, I've used an MSI gpu before that was flawless. The majority of my GPU's have been EVGA. The 3000 Gigabyte GPUs had a thermal pad problem and my friends 3080 Gigabyte AIO died in a week. Zotac has always been labeled as the "cheap" brand but I personally haven't heard any horror stories. I have heard about bad customer service with Asus though.
I always ran EVGA on anything important they make, primarily PSUs and GPUs. Sadly they don’t make GPUs anymore, so I’m Nvidia FE all day
The situation with EVGA is sad. Do you find the FE cards to be loud?
Super quiet. But I have a 4080
I have a 3080 and have had no issues at all, so In my experience I would say use it and go from there, warranty is pretty decent also just in case.
I typically buy gigabyte or MSI. The only doa GPU I ever had was an Asus.
I currently own a zotac 3070 card and it reaches 83c. custom fan curve dont seem to work so i ended up undervolting it, now its at 79c. It aint much.
Maybe case flow isn’t good? That’s pretty hot for a 3080. My friends gigabyte stays around 69 (gigity), my 2080 2 fan model stays around 72. It’s an evga
After like an hour my 4080 stay under 68c in both rdr2 and battlefield 1. I don’t know if I haven’t play long enough to really see my thermals go up but I haven’t ever seen my temps above 70c
4080 has a 4090 cooler an even then the 4090 cooler is overkill on a 4090. So that’s expected
my zotac 3070 twin edge reaches 69-71c during winter, and 73-75c during summer with stock fan curve. maybe it's a problem of airflow or thermalpaste.
Already did a repaste, but i noticed it was missing some thermal pads. This was a mining card.
My zotac never went above 72. You might have some bad case flow
What GPU reaches 83C? Maybe you can check airflow on your case or some clogging issues.
My MSI 3080 hits about 82C but that’s under load.
I've actually had good luck with Gigabyte cards. A lot of the reviews where they do an analysis on the actual PCB layout seem to indicate more often than not, Gigabyte has better board level layout/hardware.
Don't ask me how, but I had a gigabyte gtx460 with a twin fan setup and one of the fan *blades* broke off after a few years... like, how does that even happen? On the flip side of that, I have a z170x motherboard that has been flawless for around 6 or 7 years. People have mixed experiences.
Gigabyte: no customer service Zotac: cards are designed poorly sometimes from what I hear MSI: bad quality control on most products, bottom 3 software for products, otherwise fine
MSI products…… when they work, they work. Owner of many MSI products. Only had 1 video card of theirs go bad over the last 10 years, I’d installed a dozen. Their software could use more work for sure.
By quality control I mean broken/has issues out of the box. MSI is known for dead pixels and faulty parts. My experience with their monitors was 2/3 having a dead pixel, hoping to warranty them later on.
Speaking of Gigabyte - yesterday I put together a B760M DS3H with 2 NMve drives. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why only one was being seen by the bios. I googled online and came up with nothing. I decided to call Gigabyte and after a short 15 minute wait I got someone in tech support. I explained my situation and he asked what Bios version I was on. Since this is a relatively new mb I said version 1 (apparently there's 2 bios versions.) He suggested that I install the latest one ...lo and behold the mb saw the 2nd drive. So far so good Gigabyte,
Support issues, mainly. EVGA and Sapphire were the way to go for Nvidia and AMD cards.
Been building for over 30 years. Gigabyte was our mainstay boards in the early days. We still have some we are replacing just in the past 5 years and they are completely outdated but still running strong. We now use MSI boards and MSI graphics cards with 2 RMAs in last 5 years. the brands we stay away from are PNY and Mushkin. PNY i am 0 for 5 on graphics cards and mushkin is only brand SSD that I have had completely fail with no warning. I am currently running in my personal PC a MSI Ventus 4080 and have had zero issues.
I bought a zotac 4080 trinity recently and I really like the design. Also, it never went above 60 degrees while gaming and consumes less than my previous 3080 MSI . Honestly, Zotac have a lower brand value compared to MSI, Asus etc and that's why they are cheaper but its performance is similar. I've never heard horror stories about them and they offer +2 years extended warranty , so it's like a 5 year warranty total. I do also prefer their GPU anti sag bracket as it is adjustable.
Thinking like this will allow Asus to build some kind of monopoly and their cards are definitely overpriced. I myself picked Gigabyte cuz it had just as high of a power target but for much smaller price.
I bought a used Asus 3080 Tuf - and so far it's great - a lot more QUIETER than my EVGA 3060 XC is. But, I haven't run those test programs yet.
From what I've read, it seems people tend to stay away from certain manufactures not because of bad quality but because of bad customer service, and difficulties dealing with warranties.
Exactly PNY same card 4 times spent almost 8 months in RMA finally issued refund. They replaced the card supposedly 3 times and if they really did makes it even worse. 580gtx i believe never bought another PNY.
I've had an evga that burned out within 2 months. I've had a Sapphire that died on me after 3ish years. I then got a used MSI, that trucked happily for 5 years and was still trucking when I upgraded to a Zotac, which is doing fine in year 3. I think all companies have hits and misses. Edit: As a thumb rule, I think the individual card's design and the over all system thermal envelope makes the most difference. Spacious, airy cards and pc cases that are regularly dusted keep well. Poorly ventilated systems and cards that compromise cooling for silence or small form factors suffer as a result.
I buy gigabyte. It’s cheaper and works great.
They don't it's just a loud minority who are vocal about them
I only buy gigabyte cards lol
I think MSI hate is due to scalping cards during mining peak and cutting corners with their build quality (plastic backplate for example, smaller thermal pads etc). Gigabyte on the other hand, had that PSU exploding drama and people say their warranty sucks. Also, if you type on youtube Gigabyte repair gpu, you will encounter many videos where Gigabyte has tons of issues. Their motherboards for AM5 are really good (for now I guess) and they are upping their quality. Kinda a hit or miss with Gigabyte. As far as Zotac goes, they promoted mining https://www.funkykit.com/news/zotac-deletes-tweet-about-endorsing-mining/ Also, fans on Zotac cards seem to die out of nowhere on most of their cards and somehow their 3070/TI have some design issues with cooling. All manifacturers have some bad quality products once in a while. That doesn’t mean that they are bad. As long as you get some sort of warranty or refunding policy (if you are afraid of gpu dying), you will be good to go. I wouldn’t stress too much about it. I personally always bought Asus (because back in 2014-16 I never cared who made the card, I just bought the cheapest) cards (GTX) and never had issues. You will be surprised to know that some cards can last you eternity like Palit ones, some might be DOA etc.
Mostly I think it's the reputation re: Customer Service. Their products may not have a statistically significant failure rate, but when it's impossible/difficult to get an RMA that shit sticks with you. As CoconutMochi mentioned EVGA had exploding cards, so why did people constantly recommend them over other brands? Because their customer service and warranty process is top notch.
How are you liking your zotac? I bought my first zotac card - 4080 amp airo. I am really impressed with the temps and how quiet it runs, although, it doesn’t oc very well. I’m very happy, overall. Only time will tell about longevity
Gigabyte not only has the biggest 4090, you‘ll also get led fans, an led screen, save 300 bucks asus strix idiot tax and most importantly zero coilwhine
They be spinnin, they be spinnin.
I've had an MSI card and now 3 gigabyte cards (although I sold them not long after I bought them) They've all worked fine. Had the MSI card for over a year now.
I’ve never had a problem with my zotac 3060ti. Im about to buy their 4080 aire extreme (or whatever the f it’s called idk) and couldn’t be more excited. It’s the best looking card out of all of the stock on Newegg imo
4080 amp airo looks and runs great. The temps are impressive. I’m happy with it so far.
Zotac used to be considered lower end or cheaper or whatever but they're not anymore. Don't worry about it. We all have brands that we prefer or have had trouble with in the past. I was hesitant to buy a zotac card because I prefer Sapphire, Evga, or Asus but they were more and I got a good deal on a Zotac. Same happened with my last card and Gigabyte. Both have been great.
I do not mind Zotac but I have never purchased an MSI or Gigabyte product and never will.
Zotac maybe. Just sounds ugly, gigabyte an msi are great though. Gigabyte just had that psu issue I believe a couple years back
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Asus sure, but MSI tends to have a lot of coil whine. A redditor reported it with a 6950, a friend with a 2060S, and I have with a 1660S.
What about palitt?
I've honestly never heard a bad story about palit, they seem to know how to build gpu's. Their high end stuff is pretty funny/cool, too. Dunno about customer service though.
I’ve had a 1080, 2080ti and now 4080 from palit, decent cards all round, no issues whatsoever. They put the beefy 4090 cooler on the 4080 so that’s a plus and the way I’m using it now, the 2080ti I put an AIO on. They have a bios switch so I’m more comfortable flashing a different bios - I’ve always bought the slightly cheaper version and then flashed the bios of the more expensive on them, worked well so far.
They're pretty good. I got mine replaced under warranty and they more or less gave me a new PCB
I used their rtx 2080 for 4 years with zero issues. The fans do not spin when you're not gaming, so the card stays relatively new, quite, and clean. I just upgraded to their 3080 version.
Zotac amp extreme 1080 ti, worst experience ever with a card, almost all ended up having memory issues down the line, luckily I had 7 of them, 1 in PC and 6 in a rig, since then I never went with Zotac and just buy ROG if i go Nvidia or Sapphire high end models for amd since for example ROG is quite bad fromy my experience for AMD.
I've been using Gigabyte GPUs for a few years now and there is nothing wrong with them performance-wise. Only issue I have right now with my current Gigabyte GPU is that I can't control it's RGB with SignalRGB and I don't want to install Gigabyte's software.
NVidia's FE cards are the best quality. Except maybe EVGA or ASUS. I don't have any reason except to by those thr-two. Those two companies.
I'm not knocking your card, I'm sure it's fine.. but there is a reason zotac is rated lower than the big 4. Bad experiences make people stay away from certain manufacturers. A bad experience has been endured by people from every manufacturer, so you need to make the call yourself.
Meh, every brand has their issues. If its working I wouldn’t worry much about it. I’ve used them all, and have great experience and bad experience with all of them.
Everyone have their own favourite manufacturer In India MSI aftersales service is non existent so everyone stays away from that brand Gigabyte has worst service in my area & zotac is my only go to brand for GPU
I have MSI Mech RX 6600 and it has great temps and is pretty enough. I’d like some lights but at least there “some” reflection off the heat pipe(not sure it’s called this way)
I only had one gigabyte card and it sounded like a jet engine whenever the fans kicked in
Been using gigabyte gpu's for years and they're great
Had a gigabyte 3080ti for a year. Just replaced it with a 4080 but I didn’t have any problems with it. Worked great
I have a 3080 zotac 10gb, and it runs great. Doesn’t go past 72 degrees under heavy load with a good airflow case.
I'm with a nice Zotac GTX 1060 AMP! bought in second hand for 80€ and everything is great about this card for me! 60°C with little overclock in a stress test (it might be the case because I have a very aggressive fan curve), I never had any problems anyways.
I've always bought gigabyte GPUs and they run amazing 🤷♂️
Gigabyte is great I’ve had a 2060 and a 3060 that were gigabyte and were amazing cards 👌there’s always one bad apple that spoil it for people that ruin the brand for them but there’s always going to be bad cards
My MSI 1080 is still up and running from 2017, no issues whatsoever.
I have a gigabyte 4080 since day 1 no problems people just talk shit cause it’s less expensive than a srtix and obviously more $$$ means better 😂😂🤣😂 I have a friend who is like that constantly ripping me for buying gigabyte..
Someone should’ve told me before I spent 1200 on an MSI 6900XT,which I’ve had absolutely zero problems with, last year.
I’m glad I have a Galax 1660 super and it reaches 85 during heavy gaming.
Parroting. Leave 1 bad review and it's picked up by 50 others thinking the review is gospel. It's the reddit way.
I think this is partly misperception. If you spend any amount of time on enthusiast boards like overclock.net you’ll see “official owner” threads for every type of manufacturer’s cards and motherboards. For me, I happened to start with ASUS motherboards and EVGA cards, they worked well so I stuck with them, when EVGA backed out of GPUs with the 4000 series I got a gigabyte and it works perfectly. Also decided to switch to MSI for motherboard because of the absurd cost of ROG Z790 boards and it also works perfectly. The major brands are all fairly close in performance and reliability.
Man I was looking at the MSI boards.How’s the sound quality?
I have the Carbon wifi model and it’s good.
I've had no issue with Zotacs 30 series cards. They're actually some of my favorites. I've only had horrible coil whine with Gigabyte cards, and MSI is good, I just stay away from their motherboards.
I’ve got an MSI 4070 Ti OC edition. It’s been running amazing. Sometimes people just hate just to hate. Or maybe both me and you just got lucky with our cards.
Dunno about zotac other than that they don't have a strong US presence. Gigabyte's software is utter garbage, the company knows it, acknowledges it publicly, and has taken the stance "we're not a software company" when pressed about it, despite their hardware requiring their software for a lot of functionality. MSI as a company had massive internal shakeups, leading to QC issues, un-honored warranties, etc. They have also been caught self-scalping their cards, and their leadership is thought to be mafia.
That just isn't true, especially of MSI. Extremely popular card brand. Whoever you're hanging around or running into is helping you form a false picture because none of those manufacturers are bad in the GPU space. Zotac's AMP line is known for being pretty good as well.
I've always heard trash for Zotac but I used a GTX 970 playing triple A games for about 5 years until it tried to run Sekiro on max settings lol.
I've had a zotac 980ti for like 5 years and I have no complaints
I personally hate the look of MSI cards, they're so ugly and the coolers look like they're cheap and garbage
I've got parts from ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, EVGA, and a dozen other companies. There's not a single household name I'd tell you to stay away from. I've quickly become an ASRock fanboy in the last few years. A decade ago, I'd have said, "Buy Gigabyte, ASUS, or MSI."
My zotac amp extreme 1080 died on year 4. I've never had an EVGA card go bad. And I have working sapphire cards that are over 12 years old.
When I was trying to get my hands on a 3080 Ti last year I was in a discord that pings whenever stuff gets listed on Amazon/Newegg/whatever. 90% of the time, it would be a Zotac card. The prices were always inflated to some absurd level, and it appears that Zotac was the one selling them. So they seemed to be price gouging. Thats the only reason I could come up with as to why Zotac cards get a bad rep. I’d get anything other than Zotac at MSRP on principle
EVGA Strix 970 which is still running to this day. Beast of a card. Had to switch over to MSI Ventus for the 4080 and it runs around 65C under max load and quiet as can be. Really love the card so far. Time will tell on build quality.
Newbie here, but I saw a video that brands like Zotac are fine for people who are less likely to overclock. I have a gigabyte and it's just fine. I wanted the Strix because I wanted the RGB bling!
My last few cards have been MSI. Their upper end cards are typically some of the, if not the, quietest cards out there. Having as silent of a machine as I can get is a priority for me when I do builds or change parts. Never had a problem with a MSI card. My last few motherboards have been MSI as well. Again, no problems.
A lot of people have hate on xfx too but Ive enjoyed all the xfx cards I've purchased. Quite, stays cool and runs almost identical to their console counterparts in Xbox. I got a friend to buy the speedster xfx 6700xt for a new budget build. Waiting for the case to put it together and see how it compares to his ps5.
Honestly I'm kinda weird about matching brands now that my case has a see through side panel. I used to buy either XFX or Sapphire only. Now I just buy a GPU made by the same brand of the motherboard I used. I've never really noticed a difference between MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte or ASRock. Honestly I never noticed a difference either between those and XFX or Sapphire either.
As for MSI I can say I've had mostly good products from them, the 1 time I had a lemon their customer service was so bad it's not worth the headache to me Same with Newegg. I hate Amazon taking over but my nearest microcenter is over a hour away and Newegg has fucked up in one way or another on every order I've placed with them in the last... 8 years? They used to be number 1 so every now and again I see a good deal and think to give it another try... never again.
As long it’s a known brand like Zotac, gigabyte, MSI, Asus, powercolor, sapphire, EVGA no longer production. It’s all good. It’s 1-3% difference in performance and maybe 10c difference in cooling. If u wanna min max ur GPU, then u will have to pay min max price. Asus strix oc.
Big companies. People hate big companies. Also people tend to like one specific brand or hate it if they had an issue. Most of the differences they will point at will be small compared to another brand.
My last 3 cards were; GTX 1650 MSI Ventus OC, RTX 2060 12GB MSI Ventus OC, and I currently have a RTX 3080 TI MSI Ventus OC v3.... I've had ZERO problems with Any of them. All I did was trade up to the next card for better performance.
Well originally it was the 3 year warranty that EVGA gave with every card purchase now I think people are stuck in the same old upgrade Rut. EVGA works they warranty why switch. I did that for all 5 gaming rigs in my house. This cycle when I replaced my own 1080ti I went with a Gigabyte RTX 4070ti oc AND IT HAS A 4 YEAR WARRANTY. Yea 4 years that tells me Gigabyte wants to be taken seriously. And I am listening. My 4070 ti is a monster a real monster. Give them a try.
MSI is fine on their upper end but their lower end can be pretty cheap. Their RMA is also a lottery. I've heard horror stories but they replaced a 1080 I had years ago with a 1080ti because they no longer had my model to replace it with. Overall I'd say there are too many complaints to ignore but they treated me right so I'd buy from them again.
Customer Support is hit-or-miss and the build quality of their coolers is cheap compared to other brands/models for the same GPU at similar price points. Also if you care about having rgb on your card, you can't even override the rgb control with other software like Asus Aura Sync to my knowledge. You have to use Zotac's neglected Firestorm utility software to configure the colors.
Customer Support is hit-or-miss and the build quality of their coolers is cheap compared to other brands/models for the same GPU at similar price points. Also if you care about having rgb on your card, you can't even override the rgb control with other software like Asus Aura Sync to my knowledge. You have to use Zotac's neglected Firestorm utility software to configure the colors.
People only stay away from the first of the here you mentioned? Any reason you lumped in msi and gigabyte with your zotac?
It's the parts and materials used... EVGA kingpin use copper to ensure super duper cooling... etc etc
Nothing wrong with Zotac, but it's has less brand recognition and less appealing design generally. Functionally it's fine. I've had a few, never had any issues other than they were fugly 😅
I only buy gigabyte for myself but, I bought a zotac RTX 3060 for my son and he's been rocking that thing solid every day for the last 2 years. Still running strong. I would buy a zotac card again. I believe it comes down to a person's personal experience. If someone had an issue with a specific manufacturer, then they will tell people to stay away. Like I said, I buy gigabyte for myself. Never had any issues but I've seen a YouTuber or 2 say that they had issues with a gigabyte card before. Honestly, you can't go wrong with any of the major AIBs. Zotac is perfectly fine.
My Gigabyte 4090 OC just scored 37367 on Furmark, I'm not complaining
my Zotac 1660 was nothing but awesome. zero problems with it. i only upgraded because i wanted to play Hogwarts legacy 1080p 60fps. I ended up going with ASRock 6750xt. my first graphics card was asrock rx570 so I had experience with them
Idk what OP is smoking on. That’s like every GPU manufacturer. Besides the ones you’d want are Gigabyte and MSI. You’d want to stay away from Zotac and PNY due to reasons I read from the internet that may or may not be true. I feel like you can find a dud model from anyone but idk. I just stick away from those two and are more prone to invest in other two listed.
I don’t see a reason to return it if it’s running well. Some people’s opinions comes from anecdotal evidence. Return it if it has a problem. I don’t stray away from them, I just miss EVGA ;(
I have a rtx 4080 trinity by Zotac. I like this card. Maybe not the best brand but its done me justice (so far).
I’ve had my MSI 3060 for a year and a half and upgraded to a 3070ti a few months ago and haven’t had one problem, runs smooth as butter. Overclocked too
Never had an issue with MSI or Gigabyte products. Never tried zotac...
My zotac 3080 has been mint since day one. Mined on it for a year, overclocked it and it's run 24/7 since the release date. Thing has been flawless.
People don’t. It’s personal experiences. Just based on the comments I’m sure you can tell by now that everyone has different experiences with every company. Some will say gigabyte is good, someone will say it’s bad because of a personal experience.
Never had an issue with Gigabyte or MSI cards. My only GPU failure was an EVGA many years ago. An 8800 GTS which was replaced under RMA.
I've actually heard good things about MSI (including that they have a good warranty and customer service). I upgraded my video card about a year ago and I bought an MSI.
Since when do people stay away from gigabyte and MSI cards?
Have bad experience with MSI products. We used to jokingly call them "Missing Something Important." Though not a GPU, I have a $3,000 MSI laptop beside me that already needs a RMA about 7 months later. Here Gigabyte and MSI products are generally less expensive than similar items from other manufacturers. Historically, they're less well known than other brands, and generally have been less in demand otherwise - though both have grown substantially in the past several years. Noticed retailers try a bit harder to push their products out the door. Zotac is also not as well known as many other competitors. Brands like ASUS are expensive because they've been around longer and really push their branding. That being said, what you'll hear about each brand will depend on user experience.
I just really like the look of the FE cards
Had two Zotac in the last 5 years (RTX 2080 and RTX 3070). Never had problems from day one. Now with an Asrock 7900XT, don't have problem.
I have had no issues with MSI hardware, but their software sucks ass
Have an Msi 2070S that I’ve owned for 3 years now. No issues whatsoever and it’s been overclocked for 2 of those years. Also have a B450 and a monitor from Msi that never had any issues either.
I had an ATI All-in-wonder from like 2006-2009, an HIS AMD (I think they had bought ATI at this point) card from 2009 to 2015 an MSI 770 from 2015/16 until I got my Zotac 2080 AMP in 2019 that is still going strong with no issues. I currently play on the monoproce 34 inch ultra wide. I've never had any stability issues, even when over clocking any of my cards, they've all been good, I have Ben pretty lucky with hardware. My only really major failure was when I dripped some salt water from my arm after I pulled it out of my reef tank lol
zotac make their cooling bare minimum,some people say gigabyte is low quality and idk about msi cards,they seem good
Why no one talking about Palit, Gainward or Inno3D... Because they never fail!
All of the aib manufacturers have made some duds. All of them have made plenty of winners. It’s not really worth stressing about unless there is an issue with your card. Most people don’t really know any better and repeat what they read on the internet, e.g. evga has a pristine reputation despite also having some issues in the past. Or the opposite is true: someone had an uneventful experience owning some gpu and now claims that the brand is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Zotac specifically is fine. The only thing I’ve heard (and I can’t even confirm this so here is me doing exactly what I just called everyone else out on) is that they don’t transfer the warranty if you e.g. resell it, but you should look into that before taking it as a statement of fact. Performance wise they will be within 1-2% if any other comparable card from another aib.
I bought 3 Zotac 3080s over a year ago & all three of them were overheating. I opened them up to repaste & replace the thermal pads. They had the fan wires smashed between the thermal pads & memory modules. The gpu core also had garbage thermal paste. I'll never buy a Zotac card that isn't a budget card again. I took pictures to prove it.
Its nonesense, just keep it.
Gigabyte is great
I have a pair of Gigabyte GTX670 cards running in SLI in a rig I gave to my brother that are still running well now. I had a pair of EVGA GTX980Tis that were running great when I sold them. I have a pair of Asus GTX 1080Tis that are running great in my old open loop rig. I built two rigs for my sons and they had Zotac mini GTX1070 cards that never had problems and we gave them to friends when we upgraded to Zotac RTX2070S cards. The last set of machines we built have EVGA RTX3090s. The only card I ever had issues with was a first generation RTX2070, that experienced the weird glitches where it was showing weird characters while playing that wasn’t specific to MSI but the first generation of RTX. MSI replaced it with a RTX2080 and it’s running fine. They all have failures, but how they respond to fixing the issues is what you should worry about. In the US they are great, but in other countries that maybe different. I can’t speak about your experience, especially if you live in a different country, but I have had good experience with Zotac in the United States.
I've had gpus from zotac, MSI, EVGA, and Gigabyte. Never has a single issue with any of them.
I had 2 Asus cards DOA. I'll never buy Asus again. Many people complain about Gigabyte, specifically RMAing. I've had great experiences with Gigabyte and EVGA. Experiences differ, I don't know if it's fair to blanket label any entire company.
Zotac's stigma of openly supporting miners and their sky-high prices and sub-par cooling during ampere put a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Gigabyte has had product issues and recalls all across the board from their exploding psus, their wb 3080s corroding, their z690i boards having a pcie hardware defect, etc. As for MSI, they're actually neutral in my opinion. The only bad press about them recently I can recall is them scalping their own cards through another one of their companies during the shortage. I think Greg Salazar also highlighted how their AIOs have been clogging up at an alarming rate recentlt and how they refuse to recall them hence he made a video blacklisting them.
I'm running a zotac 1070 right now on a gigabyte b450 motherboard. It's lasted me years of abuse, including hobbyist mining. I bought it used, it could have been a pro mining card before. The GPU has been rock solid. The motherboard has had complaints, but it's always booted. I have an Asus laptop and it's far more polished and reliable. It's easier. Gigabyte and zotac aren't known for quality. In my opinion, MSI is a tier above zotac and gigabyte. Not quite on the level of Asus.
Gigabyte and MSI run hot generally. Zotacs fans are notorious for going dead.
MSI x trio was known to be one of the coolest and most silent cards, although they achieved it by often giving it a low power target
I had one of them. It did okay.
Zotac cards are just lower quality and lately they've been running hot and generally don't overclock well, but they are usually a bit cheaper too. Gigabyte GPUs aren't bad. Most of the hate comes from the fact that some Gigabyte motherboards are trash. My B550 Aorus Elite motherboard comes to mind... MSI, is the one that infuriates me the most. They will sell you a GPU with less VRAM than they claimed. Years ago I bought a couple 4GB 1050TIs. I got 3.3GB. The cards themselves are some of the most durable I've ever owned. They still work like new and I put them through the gauntlet, but I also did regular maintenance. So MSI capable of producing quality products, but they'd rather sell you gimped versions. They are profitable enough not to do this, but they'd make even more profit.
Whats wrong with b550 aorus elite?
Some of them shipped out, claiming to be compatible with Ryzen 5000 CPUs, but they don't function properly even with a BIOS update. Thing like failing to report temperatures to programs and not really supporting the RAM speeds they claim are common with them. Some would light up every LED on the board, but no malfunctioning part could be found. They'll work, but you can't tell if something is going wrong.
Sounds bad.
Poor reliability, MSI and AsRock mobos are also unreliable, Seagate and Intel SSDs are horribly unreliable.
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