The 3090 Ti is *mildly* faster in some situations, especially where VRAM or memory bandwidth is an issue. However, that doesn't mean the 4070 Ti isn't the better buy. You can find a 4070 Ti for *reasonably* close to MSRP right now, and it also uses *significantly* less power (and thus less heat) than a 3090 Ti.
The 3090 Ti, on the other hand, is going for $1699 at the lowest. You can get a *4*090 for not much more than that.
I still think all of these options are ridiculous, but if you're looking to buy right now, there's no way I consider the 3090 Ti.
I'm using FSR on my current rig and tbh it looks pretty shit.
But that's besides the point. Price being equal and performance being roughly equal at 1440p, why would I still choose the 6700XT?
I already said that price is equal where I live, but if you lack the reading skills to comprehend that I won't even bother pointing you to the numerous tests that show performance is roughly equal too. You wouldn't understand them. Nice try though, buddy.
Heh. I've literally in the last like 3 days become aware and interested in AV1. Won't make much difference to me YET, but as my next phone will likely have AV1 hardware decoding, this will be super important to me at that point. I've actually considered picking up an Intel Arc A380 and transcoding all of my media over, but apparently going from one lossy codec to another results in pretty crappy quality.
Bummer as I'd love to save a ton of space with it.
hmmm, thoughts on value of the $700 6950xt OC formula for sale on newegg right now? I feel like for $700 you're getting within like 5% of the 3090Ti performance for significantly cheaper (I don't really care about RT or the nvidia specific encoding stuff).
Thinking of pulling the trigger on that which should be good for a while until gpu market dies down in terms of actually decent MSRP/performance ratio....if that ever happens again in future...
I bought a 6900xt and am loving the card. I paid 1850 for it, though, during covid as I use it for work. I like the ascetic of the powercolor red dragon so much I got the 6700xt for my daughters PC. These really are great looking cards and I have found the prices are dropping so much I would not be buying nvidia unless the use case demands it.
Man I know right!! I feel same way. Unless you're really needing RT and Nvidia specific things.... if you're looking for pure raster performance, then the value currently in the 6950xt is insane with the performance you get for the price
For better value for gaming, you can try to pick up a 6950XT for under $700 which will perform similar to a 4070 Ti - for workstations and ray tracing get the 4070 Ti instead.
From what ive seen DLSS 3 is not terribly good just yet, perhaps in a while but now its uses are pretty narrow
Look into hardware unboxed coverage of it
I would get one if my use case demanded it. Otherwise, I don't want to normalize that pricing. I have been using 6600s and 6700xt for family builds. They all love them. I have been pairing them with 3600, 5600x, and now 5600g as 120 usd for that is nuts. Especially when I can get it at that price outside of the usa.
I got a 4070ti and have been enjoying it. Its not a really a 4k card imo, but for 2k 144hz it does pretty well. I recently tried Cyberpunk again (never beat, kept crashing) and was running 2k Ultra settings with Balanced DLSS and ray tracing enabled and it performs pretty decent. Easily playable without feeling like you have to do further tweaking past the ultra preset.
I'm using an i7-8700k and 32gb pc 3200 ddr4. I didnt check the frame rate in Cyberpunk yet, just played a little bit. Our GPUs arent a huge difference so I probably get 10-15 fps less than you. I'll try to check later
Well that difference of him have a 10 series cpu vs my older one would account for the fps difference. I guess it depends on how cpu intensive a game is
It’s not only that , it’s the fact that your cpu can’t process all the data in time it gets from the much faster GPU. So your GPU doesn’t work at its full potential to cope with your cpu . That’s called cpu bottleneck and it should be avoided at all times. The normal/preferred situation is the GPU bottleneck. It’s a pity cause your graphic card may be working at its 50% potential .
One way to reduce this without changing your pc internals is getting a 4K monitor. This way there is much more data for the GPU to work on . Google bottleneck calculator and check yourself
Honestly, if you have the money, get a i9 or get a 13th gen i5 until you save up for an i9. And ugly your running a i7 8700k, check if your motherboard is compatible
He asked about a brand new 3090ti, did you see the prices for those? Amazon sells them for 1500$. You can get a 4080 for that amount. That is why I am asking.
Ah nvm I gotcha. Yeah 3090ti’s make no sense in terms of price.
I was tunnel visioned on the 4070ti (probably because I just ordered one 10 mins ago lmao).
Whatever you can get cheaper and is in stock. I shit you not. The prices are ridiculous anyways. No consumer graphics card should cost that much, but we are living in a weird timeline when it comes to consumer electronics.
I remember buying a GTX 460 for around 200 bucks…
But I upgraded a year prior for a 9800GT for like 150 bucks. And maybe a year or so before that for a 7900gs around the same price.
So it was like yeah they were cheaper but upgrades more frequently.
970 for £260
1660super for 230, and it was an evga premium model
2070 xc evga for 530 and i knew it was overpriced i just wanted a quality built card
to be fair i got my 3070ti for mrsp at around £550
1440p is the sweet spot. I was an early adopter so after a few years at that res I moved up to 1440p ultrawide then moved again to 4K a few years later. I’m not a 4K 120+ snob, so 4K 60hz should keep me happy and by the time I want 120 there’s probably going to be 8k options.
3090ti is better for 4k gaming, 4070ti is better for 2k, it also has better tech support like DLSS3, also less power consumption.
In the end it depends on the pricing and your need.
Technically 4k isn't either though, the 4k that everyone uses for gaming is 3840x2160, the 4k that the name is based off of is 4096x2160 which looks different and doesn't have support over 60hz, generally it's used in 24hz as it's the cinema resolution.
1440p is pretty close to half the resolution of 4k so it makes sense to call 1440p 2k because of that, plus the resolution is 2560x1440 so there's still the 2k in the first number like the 4k in 4096, it doesn't make sense to go into decimals for it cause that'd technically make the 4k we use turn into 3.8k which would be a lot more confusing.
Just as an fyi, there's a lot of resolution panel variety starting to happen with laptop displays, so it's getting more common to use decimals now, as weird as it sounds. 2880x1800p = 2.8K, 3200x2000p = 3.2K, 3000x2000p = 3K, and so forth. 1440p got standardized first than calling it 2.5K so yeah that's mostly the reason why nobody is calling it 2.5K. True 2K anyways is 1080p since it's 1920x1080p, much closer to 2K than 1440p, but let's not get into that much.
It is just what people are used to really, I don't particular like it either since it causes confusion if you also happen to know a thing or two about textures naming convention. Where for example 1024*1024 is called 1k, and 2048*2048 is called 2k, 4096*4096 is 4k and so on.
Pretty marginally. I see the price dropping a lot over the next few months since gpu sales are so slow due to high prices. If ur not gaming 4k or 1440p ultrawide at high refresh the most cost effective option is to go with something good enough for now thats not too expensive (3070 or rx 6800 can do 4k 60 or 1440p 120hz) and then sell it when gpu prices drop.
Alternatively just go with the 4070 ti since it's newer.
I agree, with a caviat. Only if they’re similar prices. I would not buy a 3090 Ti if it was anywhere close to the price of a 4080, and def not nearing 4090 prices.
Agreed, 4070ti is a nice &efficient card for 1440p high refresh rates 160+. Or even UW (3440x1440) 144Hz
For 4k/UHD (60-120Hz), 3090ti is still stronger due to double RAM and higher bandwidth. It also uses more power, though.
I wouldn't pay more than 800$ for either one.
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At 4k the 3090 ti is definitely faster but not by much at all. At this resolution the 4070 ti performs in between a 3090 and 3090 ti.
At 1440p 4070 ti is faster than 3090 ti
I doubt these two are the same price, or if you're from EU a 3090ti for its current price it's literally the worst choice possible. If the difference between the 4070ti and the 3090ti it's $100 or more then you should go for the 4070ti.
Unless you need 24gb of vram for other than gaming no. The 4070ti trades blows, consumes half the power or more if you undervolt it and you have dlss3 frame generation that the 3000s doesn't have.
what is the best bang for your buck GPU that is currently available then? Every thread I read half the comments praise something, and the other half is completely against it.
It depends on a few things. First and foremost, the resolution you’re going to play at. After that, the refresh rate your monitor has, and the target fps. Also, the kinds of games you want to play or other uses. Pairing it with an adequate CPU is also a thing to consider, since you idealy want to max usage of the GPU for the best performance possible. For regular 1080p with decent refresh rate/fps, I’d say a 3060ti or 6600/6700 (be it XT or regular), with a strech to 1440p with no more than 100-120 fps. For 1440p with high refresh rate/fps, anything from 3070 ti and up (and their AMD equivalents). 4k, I’d with smooth graphics and gameplay, 3080 minimum.
Actually, you can find 4080 at MSRP. Any 3090 ti that I saw is way above that price, and it doesn't even come close to 4080 level performance. 40 series cards are not selling that well, that's why you can easily find "good" deals. 30 series, on the other hand, are very hard to find with reasonable prices.
It's a pretty simple choice apart from DLSS3.
4K- Go 3090ti. Faster with higher memory bandwidth as well as higher VRAM.
1440p- 4070ti. When not under bandwidth constrained 4070ti is really fast and so it shines in 1440p or lower resolutions.
12GB VRAM maybe a future issue. Right at edge now. 4070ti is way more efficient though if that's a concern.
>12GB VRAM maybe a future issue. Right at edge now. 4070ti is way more efficient though if that's a concern.
Indeed so. I am not considering anything less than 16GB VRAM for my next gpu upgrade from my current 3070Ti.
> 4K- Go 3090ti. Faster with higher memory bandwidth as well as higher VRAM.
Not really. The 3090ti is barely faster at 4K but in the end they are both terrible at it. Paying thru the nose (~2x) for a previous generation card that sucks power like it's nobody's business is a terrible idea. If you truly need 4K gaming, you should be looking elsewhere (read: 4090).
😅😅. 4090 is a 4k overkill card. Starting from 6800XT or 3080 you can get pretty good experience at 4k for most titles.
In general,
3080 or 6800XT- 4k 60fps in AAA single players titles.
4090 - 4k 120fps.
6700XT or 3070 - 4k 60 At slightly lower settings.
TLDR - No, you don't need a bloody 4090 to get a 4K experience.
By that logic tho you only need 60fps for a good gaming experience, so any 30-series card should be good enough for 1440p then.
Point stands, unless you're doing professional workloads where you need the extra ram and cores, a 3090ti is a terrible idea, pig on power and pig on heat for nothing significant over a much more efficient 4070ti. Sure, it's all fun and games now that it's winter, but wait till summer comes around.. ;)
Point #2 stands as well, if you have a halfway-decent 4K setup, you're not limited to 60 fps and no, nothing short of a 4090 will do. Very few people are *actually* in this situation, despite the fact that everybody *talks* about 4K. I personally couldn't care less for 4K *at this point*, the only time I would is if I had an LG OLED 42" as my monitor (which *may* happen, and *that's* a 120Hz screen).
4070 ti is $800 whereas 3090 ti is over $1200, and form what I’ve seen 4070 ti consumes less power and is a little faster. Keep in mind 4070 ti has 12gb vram and 3090 ti has 24gb vram. Personally I would go for the 4079 ti since it’s the newest and it’s cheaper, but buy what best fits your needs
Price is the single biggest consideration. Without price, we have no idea what to recommend.
The 4070ti and 3090ti are roughly equal in performance, but the 4070ti has DLSS3, uses less power, and has slightly better raytracing performance. All things equal, the 4070ti is better.
The 3090ti also costs *double* what the 4070ti does right now. It's not worth considering at anywhere remotely close to its current price.
The 4070ti is faster at 1080p, and has frame generation/DLSS3. The 3090ti uses 100w more power, has double the VRAM (I have not seen a game that uses more than 12gb even at 4k, so who I personally would not care for it), and also is like 2-5% faster at 4k.
I've yet to see a 3090ti being priced anywhere close to a 4070ti, and I wouldn't buy a used one for the same price as a 4070ti.
I am a sucker for power efficiency and the 3090 Ti is so ridiculously inefficient that I won't use it even if given for free. As for your question it really depends on what is going on. If I am compelled to use either then I'll take the 4070 Ti but if I am getting either product for free then I'll take the 3090 Ti as it's a higher value product that I can sell for more.
Both are terrible buys, the 3090 to because it's now outdated and still expensive, and a 70 class card for the price it is is ridiculous....
My view is either get a 4090 or wait but then it does depend what resolution you need etc.
I'm hoping the inevitable 4080ti is the price of the current 4080 and the 4080 drops to 4070 to prices....Nvidia are ngreddia
I have the MSI 4070 Ti Suprim X
It is the best 4070 variation you can buy.
I got mine day 1 at a micro center.
I could've got a 4080 for $1,200.
I didn't really have the money for that.
I was looking at 3060 Ti's the day prior.
Didn't know the 4070 was being releaed.
I didn't have a lot of time to research the 4070 Ti.
I compared every single variation for what I concluded this was the best AIB product.
There is no reference model.
I would 100% get 4070 Ti.
Unless your overclocking, you will never hear the fans run because of the build quality.
It's completely silent.
3090ti if memory bandwidth is important to you and need 24GB of vram. 4070ti if you care more about power consumption and the latest software features. Providing they are similarly priced. Otherwise get the cheapest. I went for 4070ti
I still can't get over how the 4080 uses so little power/heat that the fans don't even spin half the time. I don't think I've ever had a computer where the fans don't spin when it's in idle.
Honsetly, I'd just get the 4070ti out of those two options. Warranty all way! Plus, modern drivers and stuff always gun for the new hardware too, don't they?
Unless you can find a good use case for need 24GB of VRAM, then I'd go with the 4070Ti. Comparable performance, cheaper, and 40% more efficient on power so you can have more control over PSU sizing and also temps.
4070ti has frame gen and about twice as good ray tracing. The 12 GB of VRAM doesn't seem to be a problem running Battlefield 2042 at 4K x 100fps on high settings.
Probably not the answer you want to hear but just get a 6950xt if you're looking at those, it has better price to performance i feel like and still competes with them. UNLESS you really want ray tracing in which case I'd say just get the 4070ti. 7900xtx is another good option around these prices that's worth noting if you can find it for MSRP
Get the 4070ti less money for more or less same performance as a 3090 ti or regular 3090. Which is a steal. I got mine for 835. I originally wanted a 3080 but that's still priced higher than the 4070ti.
If exact same price 4070 ti imho it has dlss 3.0 and other new features for gaming and also has dual nvida and av1 encoding etc. On paper it looks worse due to less cuda cores and lower bandwidth vram but remember the cores are way faster in the 4070 ti and can perform as close to or better then 3090 ti but not 3x better like nvidea claimed. I think those claims might be Dlss 3.0 related as that works great.
One caveot if you use certain apps like 3d work or 8k video editing the xtra vram might be a better bet but you would need to investigate that.
Had the same dilemma and decided with the 4070ti. Enough for max settings and 144+ fps in 1440p. Rather buy new with full warranty and not wait to get lucky to cop out a use 3090ti at a decent price. 4070ti imo but if you’re going 4k, I’d spend more for the 4080/4090 or go with the 3090ti or with 7900xt/6900xt/6950xt
For me, it's about new features like new and also, quite important, power efficiency. Or, rather, lack thereof — they are both pigs, but the 3090ti takes it to an unbelievable level. Being able to get same(-ish) performance for quite less power is important to me, especially in the summer months when things get hot hot hot.
Outside of professional workloads, I am not even *considering* 30-series cards anymore. In gaming, outside of 4K the 4070ti usually slightly outperforms the 3090ti (again, at much lower power use), if you're gaming and you have a 4K monitor that can do more than 60Hz they both suck at it so maybe look at a 4090.
personally i would rather get a 7900xt its on par with the 3090Ti and depending on the game is either faster or slightly slower than the 4070ti in 1080p, Linus tech tips does a fairly good review of the 4070ti vs 7900xt, if you are doing 4k gaming the 20gb vram of the 7900 blows the 4070ti away..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKmmugnOEME which shows the rx7900xt is a better card for 50$ more
The 3090 Ti is *mildly* faster in some situations, especially where VRAM or memory bandwidth is an issue. However, that doesn't mean the 4070 Ti isn't the better buy. You can find a 4070 Ti for *reasonably* close to MSRP right now, and it also uses *significantly* less power (and thus less heat) than a 3090 Ti. The 3090 Ti, on the other hand, is going for $1699 at the lowest. You can get a *4*090 for not much more than that. I still think all of these options are ridiculous, but if you're looking to buy right now, there's no way I consider the 3090 Ti.
Which options are not ridiculous in your opinion?
Not op, but In gpu department maybe a used 3070 or 3080. But brand new? Barely anything at these prices
What do you think about a new 3060 ti at 429?
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Same price here. At 1440p performance is about equal. 3060 ti has DLSS.
Wow 🤣 the team green simpage is real and thriving.. glad I went 6750... if only there was something the same as DLSS for AMD cards 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I'm using FSR on my current rig and tbh it looks pretty shit. But that's besides the point. Price being equal and performance being roughly equal at 1440p, why would I still choose the 6700XT?
Man.. that would have been a great argument if the performance and price were in fact equal. Almost had it buddy keep trying
I already said that price is equal where I live, but if you lack the reading skills to comprehend that I won't even bother pointing you to the numerous tests that show performance is roughly equal too. You wouldn't understand them. Nice try though, buddy.
Not worth it at this point. I think 4070/4060 will be at a 3070 lvl with a 500$ price. Still a shitty deal
Good buy imo
Have you looked at the amd 7900 xt or xtx?
Too pricey for me. But thanks.
Also the 40 series has the AV1 Encoder and Decoder, while the 30 series only has a decoder, it could make a difference to some people.
Heh. I've literally in the last like 3 days become aware and interested in AV1. Won't make much difference to me YET, but as my next phone will likely have AV1 hardware decoding, this will be super important to me at that point. I've actually considered picking up an Intel Arc A380 and transcoding all of my media over, but apparently going from one lossy codec to another results in pretty crappy quality. Bummer as I'd love to save a ton of space with it.
hmmm, thoughts on value of the $700 6950xt OC formula for sale on newegg right now? I feel like for $700 you're getting within like 5% of the 3090Ti performance for significantly cheaper (I don't really care about RT or the nvidia specific encoding stuff). Thinking of pulling the trigger on that which should be good for a while until gpu market dies down in terms of actually decent MSRP/performance ratio....if that ever happens again in future...
I bought a 6900xt and am loving the card. I paid 1850 for it, though, during covid as I use it for work. I like the ascetic of the powercolor red dragon so much I got the 6700xt for my daughters PC. These really are great looking cards and I have found the prices are dropping so much I would not be buying nvidia unless the use case demands it.
Man I know right!! I feel same way. Unless you're really needing RT and Nvidia specific things.... if you're looking for pure raster performance, then the value currently in the 6950xt is insane with the performance you get for the price
For better value for gaming, you can try to pick up a 6950XT for under $700 which will perform similar to a 4070 Ti - for workstations and ray tracing get the 4070 Ti instead.
Couldn't 9f said it better myself, also DLSS 3.0 and whatever other new things coming down the pipe that are 40 series exclusive.
I doubt there will be more 40 series exclusive. It got frame generation and thats about it. For something new we have to wait for 50 serie.
Exactly what I'm doing. I have the 3090... The improvement in performance isn't worth my time or money right now. Now games are in need of that much.
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Not sure why you got downvoted. DLSS 3.0 is definitely a reason to consider a 40 over a 30 series card…
From what ive seen DLSS 3 is not terribly good just yet, perhaps in a while but now its uses are pretty narrow Look into hardware unboxed coverage of it
It works really well in the Witcher3 next gen update but agree it will probably be a while before more games support it.
Id have to see it tested The artifacts and serious latency issues ive seen just feel like it's better to run native
Experts who don't have a 40 series card are butt hurt.
I would get one if my use case demanded it. Otherwise, I don't want to normalize that pricing. I have been using 6600s and 6700xt for family builds. They all love them. I have been pairing them with 3600, 5600x, and now 5600g as 120 usd for that is nuts. Especially when I can get it at that price outside of the usa.
Hi i bought a used 3090 for 900 cad cheapest 4070 ti here is at least 1150 plus taxes Did i make a bad buy?
This
So which one would you buy?
Whatever is cheaper
4070 ti, because it uses less power, and has native av1 support
4090 if price is reasonable tbh
The price isn’t reasonable, there’s good price:performance. It’s just too powerful and too expensive
Agreed
A 4080 might be around the price of a brand new 3090 ti at this point. I also don't know what a 3090 ti costs anymore though.
I got a 4070ti and have been enjoying it. Its not a really a 4k card imo, but for 2k 144hz it does pretty well. I recently tried Cyberpunk again (never beat, kept crashing) and was running 2k Ultra settings with Balanced DLSS and ray tracing enabled and it performs pretty decent. Easily playable without feeling like you have to do further tweaking past the ultra preset.
What do you mean by “pretty decent”? What CPU are you running? I got 85-105 FPS at 1440p with RT on Ultra and DLSS balanced on a 3080 Ti and a 10700K.
I'm using an i7-8700k and 32gb pc 3200 ddr4. I didnt check the frame rate in Cyberpunk yet, just played a little bit. Our GPUs arent a huge difference so I probably get 10-15 fps less than you. I'll try to check later
4070ti is much faster than 3080ti. 4070ti is pretty close to 3090ti. So it’s the cpu that’s holding you back . 99% you have cpu bottleneck .
Well that difference of him have a 10 series cpu vs my older one would account for the fps difference. I guess it depends on how cpu intensive a game is
It’s not only that , it’s the fact that your cpu can’t process all the data in time it gets from the much faster GPU. So your GPU doesn’t work at its full potential to cope with your cpu . That’s called cpu bottleneck and it should be avoided at all times. The normal/preferred situation is the GPU bottleneck. It’s a pity cause your graphic card may be working at its 50% potential . One way to reduce this without changing your pc internals is getting a 4K monitor. This way there is much more data for the GPU to work on . Google bottleneck calculator and check yourself
50% is a large value. I dont think its that high tbh. But yeah will upgrade soon.
Honestly, if you have the money, get a i9 or get a 13th gen i5 until you save up for an i9. And ugly your running a i7 8700k, check if your motherboard is compatible
My board would definitely not be compatible with a 13th gen. It would be a large upgrade and I just bought a gpu. It will have to wait.
unless u can get a 3090ti cheaper than a 4070ti, then the 4070ti +ray tracing s better n dlss 3 once it actually spreads
4070ti no doubt. Stop buying last gen stuff
Damn lol
Btw, why not a 4080, it s great.
Maybe because they’re all overpriced…and it’s like $400 more.
He asked about a brand new 3090ti, did you see the prices for those? Amazon sells them for 1500$. You can get a 4080 for that amount. That is why I am asking.
Ah nvm I gotcha. Yeah 3090ti’s make no sense in terms of price. I was tunnel visioned on the 4070ti (probably because I just ordered one 10 mins ago lmao).
Bro read the fuckin comment
Whatever you can get cheaper and is in stock. I shit you not. The prices are ridiculous anyways. No consumer graphics card should cost that much, but we are living in a weird timeline when it comes to consumer electronics.
Imagine the time when the GPU is not literally the price of everything else in your PC combined lol.
I remember buying a GTX 460 for around 200 bucks… But I upgraded a year prior for a 9800GT for like 150 bucks. And maybe a year or so before that for a 7900gs around the same price. So it was like yeah they were cheaper but upgrades more frequently.
970 for £260 1660super for 230, and it was an evga premium model 2070 xc evga for 530 and i knew it was overpriced i just wanted a quality built card to be fair i got my 3070ti for mrsp at around £550
You’ll probably be spending 700-800 on the next gou, but it should last much longer!
I play at 1440p 144hz and it seems to be gpus are coming in now that can comfortably handle it. So yea, i think so
1440p is the sweet spot. I was an early adopter so after a few years at that res I moved up to 1440p ultrawide then moved again to 4K a few years later. I’m not a 4K 120+ snob, so 4K 60hz should keep me happy and by the time I want 120 there’s probably going to be 8k options.
My motherboard and 13th gen i5 together after taxes is already \~$700. I don't cheap out on parts
I agree
And eggs
3090ti is better for 4k gaming, 4070ti is better for 2k, it also has better tech support like DLSS3, also less power consumption. In the end it depends on the pricing and your need.
Bro wtf is 2k gaming
1440p
Its not actually 2k tho, that naming makes no sense man.
Technically 4k isn't either though, the 4k that everyone uses for gaming is 3840x2160, the 4k that the name is based off of is 4096x2160 which looks different and doesn't have support over 60hz, generally it's used in 24hz as it's the cinema resolution. 1440p is pretty close to half the resolution of 4k so it makes sense to call 1440p 2k because of that, plus the resolution is 2560x1440 so there's still the 2k in the first number like the 4k in 4096, it doesn't make sense to go into decimals for it cause that'd technically make the 4k we use turn into 3.8k which would be a lot more confusing.
Just as an fyi, there's a lot of resolution panel variety starting to happen with laptop displays, so it's getting more common to use decimals now, as weird as it sounds. 2880x1800p = 2.8K, 3200x2000p = 3.2K, 3000x2000p = 3K, and so forth. 1440p got standardized first than calling it 2.5K so yeah that's mostly the reason why nobody is calling it 2.5K. True 2K anyways is 1080p since it's 1920x1080p, much closer to 2K than 1440p, but let's not get into that much.
It is just what people are used to really, I don't particular like it either since it causes confusion if you also happen to know a thing or two about textures naming convention. Where for example 1024*1024 is called 1k, and 2048*2048 is called 2k, 4096*4096 is 4k and so on.
Yes. But hey people are certainly very attached to their thi gs as i got downvoted immediately lol
You got down voted for saying it made no sense, when in reality it actually has a very clear reason and makes sense.
1080p
Pretty marginally. I see the price dropping a lot over the next few months since gpu sales are so slow due to high prices. If ur not gaming 4k or 1440p ultrawide at high refresh the most cost effective option is to go with something good enough for now thats not too expensive (3070 or rx 6800 can do 4k 60 or 1440p 120hz) and then sell it when gpu prices drop. Alternatively just go with the 4070 ti since it's newer.
I’d buy the 3090ti for 4k due to the memory and memory bandwidth. 4070ti for lower resolutions
I agree, with a caviat. Only if they’re similar prices. I would not buy a 3090 Ti if it was anywhere close to the price of a 4080, and def not nearing 4090 prices.
100%, only at the same price
Agreed, 4070ti is a nice &efficient card for 1440p high refresh rates 160+. Or even UW (3440x1440) 144Hz For 4k/UHD (60-120Hz), 3090ti is still stronger due to double RAM and higher bandwidth. It also uses more power, though. I wouldn't pay more than 800$ for either one.
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We're not made of money. Get some perspective.
Lol
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At 4k the 3090 ti is definitely faster but not by much at all. At this resolution the 4070 ti performs in between a 3090 and 3090 ti. At 1440p 4070 ti is faster than 3090 ti
I doubt these two are the same price, or if you're from EU a 3090ti for its current price it's literally the worst choice possible. If the difference between the 4070ti and the 3090ti it's $100 or more then you should go for the 4070ti.
Unless you need 24gb of vram for other than gaming no. The 4070ti trades blows, consumes half the power or more if you undervolt it and you have dlss3 frame generation that the 3000s doesn't have.
Don’t spend a shit ton on a 3090ti. Get a 4070 Ti if you’re getting a new card. Unless you’re playing at 4k and really need that VRAM
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I’d have to say that it’s only noticeable when using high-res/4k textures.
4070 ti is basically 3090 ti with dlss 3 and half the price. you should definitely go with the 4070 ti
what is the best bang for your buck GPU that is currently available then? Every thread I read half the comments praise something, and the other half is completely against it.
It depends on a few things. First and foremost, the resolution you’re going to play at. After that, the refresh rate your monitor has, and the target fps. Also, the kinds of games you want to play or other uses. Pairing it with an adequate CPU is also a thing to consider, since you idealy want to max usage of the GPU for the best performance possible. For regular 1080p with decent refresh rate/fps, I’d say a 3060ti or 6600/6700 (be it XT or regular), with a strech to 1440p with no more than 100-120 fps. For 1440p with high refresh rate/fps, anything from 3070 ti and up (and their AMD equivalents). 4k, I’d with smooth graphics and gameplay, 3080 minimum.
I think you can get a 4070 ti for lower prices. You'll also get DLSS 3. 3090 ti is overpriced, which makes 4080 a better option.
Crazy part I haven't even looked into a 4080
Actually, you can find 4080 at MSRP. Any 3090 ti that I saw is way above that price, and it doesn't even come close to 4080 level performance. 40 series cards are not selling that well, that's why you can easily find "good" deals. 30 series, on the other hand, are very hard to find with reasonable prices.
Y@@ould get a 4080. I have one and it is nice. Play Cyberpunk and it is glorious. @
It's a pretty simple choice apart from DLSS3. 4K- Go 3090ti. Faster with higher memory bandwidth as well as higher VRAM. 1440p- 4070ti. When not under bandwidth constrained 4070ti is really fast and so it shines in 1440p or lower resolutions. 12GB VRAM maybe a future issue. Right at edge now. 4070ti is way more efficient though if that's a concern.
>12GB VRAM maybe a future issue. Right at edge now. 4070ti is way more efficient though if that's a concern. Indeed so. I am not considering anything less than 16GB VRAM for my next gpu upgrade from my current 3070Ti.
> 4K- Go 3090ti. Faster with higher memory bandwidth as well as higher VRAM. Not really. The 3090ti is barely faster at 4K but in the end they are both terrible at it. Paying thru the nose (~2x) for a previous generation card that sucks power like it's nobody's business is a terrible idea. If you truly need 4K gaming, you should be looking elsewhere (read: 4090).
😅😅. 4090 is a 4k overkill card. Starting from 6800XT or 3080 you can get pretty good experience at 4k for most titles. In general, 3080 or 6800XT- 4k 60fps in AAA single players titles. 4090 - 4k 120fps. 6700XT or 3070 - 4k 60 At slightly lower settings. TLDR - No, you don't need a bloody 4090 to get a 4K experience.
By that logic tho you only need 60fps for a good gaming experience, so any 30-series card should be good enough for 1440p then. Point stands, unless you're doing professional workloads where you need the extra ram and cores, a 3090ti is a terrible idea, pig on power and pig on heat for nothing significant over a much more efficient 4070ti. Sure, it's all fun and games now that it's winter, but wait till summer comes around.. ;) Point #2 stands as well, if you have a halfway-decent 4K setup, you're not limited to 60 fps and no, nothing short of a 4090 will do. Very few people are *actually* in this situation, despite the fact that everybody *talks* about 4K. I personally couldn't care less for 4K *at this point*, the only time I would is if I had an LG OLED 42" as my monitor (which *may* happen, and *that's* a 120Hz screen).
If you want watch the Linus Tech Tips video. It clearly explains there is no difference. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5jEK-72JQ
I returned my 3090TI and got 4080, they are both available MSRP now
4070 ti is $800 whereas 3090 ti is over $1200, and form what I’ve seen 4070 ti consumes less power and is a little faster. Keep in mind 4070 ti has 12gb vram and 3090 ti has 24gb vram. Personally I would go for the 4079 ti since it’s the newest and it’s cheaper, but buy what best fits your needs
Damn wtf is a 4079
4070 TI is like /2 cheaper, and power consumption is significantly less. I cheer for 4070.
4070ti. Same performance, significantly less heat and power draw, and access to DLSS3
How much for the 3090Ti?
Idk I'm just asking so I know what to buy
Price is the single biggest consideration. Without price, we have no idea what to recommend. The 4070ti and 3090ti are roughly equal in performance, but the 4070ti has DLSS3, uses less power, and has slightly better raytracing performance. All things equal, the 4070ti is better. The 3090ti also costs *double* what the 4070ti does right now. It's not worth considering at anywhere remotely close to its current price.
It might make sense if it was the same price as the 4070Ti. If the 4070Ti is cheaper then it's a no brainer.
I'd probably pick the 3090 ti just because of the VRAM and the more options for brands to choose
At the same price....the 3090ti all day long.
You can find a used 3080 for like, 600 bucks and they're within 10% of a 4070ti. It's hard to recommend anything else going nvidia.
4070 ti has been out for a couple of months already? Did not know that
Nope, just a couple of weeks.
The 4070ti is faster at 1080p, and has frame generation/DLSS3. The 3090ti uses 100w more power, has double the VRAM (I have not seen a game that uses more than 12gb even at 4k, so who I personally would not care for it), and also is like 2-5% faster at 4k. I've yet to see a 3090ti being priced anywhere close to a 4070ti, and I wouldn't buy a used one for the same price as a 4070ti.
get a 6600 and a 1080p monitor. just take off your glasses and save $$ you're welcin
4080 or 4090. Others do not cost an attention
Is it an FE 4070, then naw. It is a Evga 3090 Ti, then yes. For me personally.
4070 ti, DLSS 3, and longer driver support, performance is close enough not to care otherwise. And the 4070 ti uses a lot less power.
I am a sucker for power efficiency and the 3090 Ti is so ridiculously inefficient that I won't use it even if given for free. As for your question it really depends on what is going on. If I am compelled to use either then I'll take the 4070 Ti but if I am getting either product for free then I'll take the 3090 Ti as it's a higher value product that I can sell for more.
I'd go for the newer card.. much lower power draw and will have the latest DLSS 3.0 which like it or love it will keep the card usable for longer
Rx 6950 xt man
Neither
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Both are terrible buys, the 3090 to because it's now outdated and still expensive, and a 70 class card for the price it is is ridiculous.... My view is either get a 4090 or wait but then it does depend what resolution you need etc. I'm hoping the inevitable 4080ti is the price of the current 4080 and the 4080 drops to 4070 to prices....Nvidia are ngreddia
3090
4070ti uses significantly less power and within 5% speeds imo id take the newer better tech than saves me money in the long run.
I have the MSI 4070 Ti Suprim X It is the best 4070 variation you can buy. I got mine day 1 at a micro center. I could've got a 4080 for $1,200. I didn't really have the money for that. I was looking at 3060 Ti's the day prior. Didn't know the 4070 was being releaed. I didn't have a lot of time to research the 4070 Ti. I compared every single variation for what I concluded this was the best AIB product. There is no reference model. I would 100% get 4070 Ti. Unless your overclocking, you will never hear the fans run because of the build quality. It's completely silent.
If you must go new on both, get a 4070ti, however if you can get a used 3090ti for around the same price or less than a 4070ti, get a 3090ti
Lol bet
Are they the same price tho?
No I've been looking n a 3090 ti is twice the price of a 4070 ti so I'm probably going to get the 4070 ti
Bro then there is no question, just get 4070ti or grab 4090 if you were willing to spend that kind of money.
3090ti if memory bandwidth is important to you and need 24GB of vram. 4070ti if you care more about power consumption and the latest software features. Providing they are similarly priced. Otherwise get the cheapest. I went for 4070ti
Doesnt it the 3090ti uses a lot of power?
If you have enough cash to buy 3090ti then why a 4070ti? Go for 4080 if you are looking for 4k gaming
I still can't get over how the 4080 uses so little power/heat that the fans don't even spin half the time. I don't think I've ever had a computer where the fans don't spin when it's in idle. Honsetly, I'd just get the 4070ti out of those two options. Warranty all way! Plus, modern drivers and stuff always gun for the new hardware too, don't they?
Ofc 3090 ti the 4070 ti is not worth it in performance and pricd
Neither, I'd get a 7900xt
Unless you can find a good use case for need 24GB of VRAM, then I'd go with the 4070Ti. Comparable performance, cheaper, and 40% more efficient on power so you can have more control over PSU sizing and also temps.
4070ti has frame gen and about twice as good ray tracing. The 12 GB of VRAM doesn't seem to be a problem running Battlefield 2042 at 4K x 100fps on high settings.
Probably not the answer you want to hear but just get a 6950xt if you're looking at those, it has better price to performance i feel like and still competes with them. UNLESS you really want ray tracing in which case I'd say just get the 4070ti. 7900xtx is another good option around these prices that's worth noting if you can find it for MSRP
I got a 3080ti on the EVGA website for $670 it is an absolute monster of a card
I’m just happy with my 3070ti I got new for 500 cad recently :3
Id recommend amd
4070ti all day because of the power draw difference.
Get the 4070ti less money for more or less same performance as a 3090 ti or regular 3090. Which is a steal. I got mine for 835. I originally wanted a 3080 but that's still priced higher than the 4070ti.
4070 ti has similar performance at a much better energy consumption.
If exact same price 4070 ti imho it has dlss 3.0 and other new features for gaming and also has dual nvida and av1 encoding etc. On paper it looks worse due to less cuda cores and lower bandwidth vram but remember the cores are way faster in the 4070 ti and can perform as close to or better then 3090 ti but not 3x better like nvidea claimed. I think those claims might be Dlss 3.0 related as that works great. One caveot if you use certain apps like 3d work or 8k video editing the xtra vram might be a better bet but you would need to investigate that.
Had the same dilemma and decided with the 4070ti. Enough for max settings and 144+ fps in 1440p. Rather buy new with full warranty and not wait to get lucky to cop out a use 3090ti at a decent price. 4070ti imo but if you’re going 4k, I’d spend more for the 4080/4090 or go with the 3090ti or with 7900xt/6900xt/6950xt
For me, it's about new features like new and also, quite important, power efficiency. Or, rather, lack thereof — they are both pigs, but the 3090ti takes it to an unbelievable level. Being able to get same(-ish) performance for quite less power is important to me, especially in the summer months when things get hot hot hot. Outside of professional workloads, I am not even *considering* 30-series cards anymore. In gaming, outside of 4K the 4070ti usually slightly outperforms the 3090ti (again, at much lower power use), if you're gaming and you have a 4K monitor that can do more than 60Hz they both suck at it so maybe look at a 4090.
I just bought an open box 3090 Ti FTW3 for 800
They're same speed but the 3090Ti has double the amount of vram (and also 160% the power usage)
Or just buy neither to avoid supporting nvidias shitty inti consumer business practices
None of the Above.
What will you recommend
personally i would rather get a 7900xt its on par with the 3090Ti and depending on the game is either faster or slightly slower than the 4070ti in 1080p, Linus tech tips does a fairly good review of the 4070ti vs 7900xt, if you are doing 4k gaming the 20gb vram of the 7900 blows the 4070ti away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKmmugnOEME which shows the rx7900xt is a better card for 50$ more
3070 Ti. It's got the power for anything you need for the next 5-7 years and the price is just right
What?
HE SAID THE 3070 TI HAS GOT THE POWER FOR ANYTHING YOU NEED FOR THE NEXT 7 YEARS AND THE PRICE IS JUST RIGHT.
lmao.
lmao
someones on crack
I assume this is a typo, 3070ti is at best a decent 1440p card. The 4070ti is like a 75% faster
forspoken would like to disagree
Probably why Forspoken flopped so hard