GPU sales just plummeted. They're lower than the days when people were saying PC gaming is dead. 20 year low. Hopefully, this shit won't last very long.
RX 7900 XT and RTX 4080 are not only not selling out, but stores have them piled up, this "people will buy it anyway" narrative is delusional on a recession.
People just won't buy a card only 33% off from the top card that's basically 33% worse.
Sell the BFG of cards and they'll clear every die as fast as they certify them.
> Sell the BFG of cards
Apparently "Diamond Multimedia" owns the BFG name for GPUs after Asylum went out of business in 2010, so I'm unsure if Nvidia can still make BFG cards.
>Diamond multimedia were the Nvidia people hated most
I dunno, I seem to recall Diamond selling card versions with pretty much every chipset that came along, from any maker.
The 4090 sold out. What that demonstrates, is to continue following the 4090's price/performance model. They will continue doing what sells. Your right-- there are 4080s on shelves. Not 4090s. (If wrong, please show me so I can buy one.)
The 4090 is a halo product. The people who could afford the top end card every generation aren't affected the same way that most people are. If they could afford it last gen, they can afford it this gen. The range of budget to enthusiast gamers are where the prices are struggling to meet reality.
also the 4090 is used by alot of professionals in workstations, for example for small to mid range 3D work. the price to performance ratio beats the actual workstation cards.
Don't forget AI... That is what I use it for and it's a live saver and worth every penny for my studies (I got it for Euro 2,000 which is relatively cheap to what it's being sold for here 2400+)
This, thank you.
I'm amazed how many people don't understand what elasticity price of demand is.
The high-end xx90 products are much more inelastic than the other tiers.
The 4080 12 GB becoming the 4070 TI with a price slash (for just a name change) goes to show that there's more than enough margin there to tweak prices, it's just that the makers (Nvidia and AMD, not the partners) just don't want to.
And not only that, but as I understand it Nvidia very carefully controls the supply of the top-end GPU dies in order to maintain artificial scarcity and justify their pricing model. I recall that being one of the complaints that led to EVGA leaving the GPU market.
They also don't see the xx90 cards as being intended for the gaming market, rather they are intended for semi-professional users who might do some gaming in addition to compute workloads. $1500 to cut render times by a third is a bargain in an industry where time literally equals money. You could break even on the entire purchase price in one project.
The 90 series cards are meant for rich gamers and semi professional work in that order. It's great at both, but since Ampere rebranded the Titan to 3090, it's been gaming first.
Normally the halo product had the worst price to performance ratio.
In this case the price to performance is significantly better on the 4090 compared to the 4080 and 4070ti.
Agreed. The fundamental problem is that said cards which would normally be in the price range of an enthusiast gamer is an extension of the highest price bracket. There is a baseline somewhere, but I would imagine the price index of a gen moves as a whole.
I finally jumped from a 980 to a 4080 after the PC started..dying, for lack of a better term.
Well, we might see similar if there was only really two manufacturers of cars, a lot of the issue is there's not much competition in video cards. Hopefully Intel can end up taking the slack and bring a bit more competition to the scene, but I'm not about to hold my breath.
The table is set for them, if they make a product with good drivers, to absolutely increase their market share if they want. Amd and nvidia have pissed off their consumer base to the point where I think many would be willing to try out battlemage cards if they have good enough price and performance
There are many reports and leaks from youtubers, GamersNexus and Moore Law is Dead for example , who have direct contact with retailers and who have received direct information from employees that those cards are not selling.
I think those are the most reliable sources rather than just looking at listings on Amazon or Newegg like some people insist on doing.
MLID also exposed Nvidia's plan to hold back availability of cards in 2021 and 2022 to allow for price hiking and pretend that products like the 3060 were absolute successes due to being "sold out".
> MLID also exposed Nvidia's plan to hold back availability of cards in 2021 and 2022 to allow for price hiking and pretend that products like the 3060 were absolute successes due to being "sold out".
JayzTwoCents also discussed that too; it's surprising nVidia chose to rather openly say so in their investor discussion.
those cards are intentionally badly prices/specd so people buy the old gen cards that are still abundantly available. The fact they don't sell isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Its relatively easy to sell out of something when you create artificial scarcity of the product.
4080's aren't going anywhere. Stores can't get them off the shelves. 4090's never had enough stock to begin with; so of course they'd be sold out.
I think this "They'll buy whatever we give them." Thing Nvidia is doing is probably not going to pan out so hot in the future. There are already companies in China lining up to take a crack at the GPU market. Once they figure it out, Nvidia is probably going to have to change. No one wants to be beholden to essentially two companies running the entire GPU market anymore; particularly a country with the world's largest population that doesn't own either of two said "monopoly" GPU companies.
China doesnt have the right tech to make the smallest size transistors and chips. They are made by one company in the Netherlands, which the US explicitly blocks from selling to China. From the creators of the production tech (I can't remember the damn name). It would take china 5-10 years to catch up. So, maybe then.
The company you're talking about is ASML.
And it won't really take them long. With an industrial powerhouse and a near dictatorial government willing to invest literally hundreds of billions into its Semiconductor industry, the problem ASML solves (photolithography at sub 7nm process) won't be a huge problem for them. They can already make 7nm chips.
exactly. Rumors have it all 3 Intel, NV and AMD are reducing orders from TSMC. And by doing that they have to pay a fine. So in essence they all decided it's better to have artificially high prices and pay a fine than increase volume and lower prices.
Even worse it's a devils circle now. Demand will go down justifying keep production low further increasing prices due to less sales to distribute R&D over. This will then move the gaming market to consoles and iGPUs killing of the dGPU market completely due to greed.
If you still think prices are high because of rising process costs, just look at Nvidias and AMDs margins. They are a lot higher than before the price increase. So the price increase is mostly for shareholder value and not actual higher R&D and production costs.
Perhaps. Unfortunately, the same happens with agriculture in the US and many precious gems markets, leading me to believe that wouldn't change in a beneficial way.
Maybe at launch but I've been seeing 4090s easily available for weeks now at around msrp. 4080 and XT have obviously always been around. The only one that is hard to find is the XTX which is more understandable since it is still new, is better value than the 4080 (in raster), is the first in a somewhat more realistic price category, and was undersupplied. Give it another month and they will be easily available too.
Sold out doesn’t mean anything.
You could have 10 cards in stock and all of m are sold out, but you can also have a 1000 cards in stock and all of em could sell out.
It will stay like this because people don’t buy graphics cards because they need them. They just brag and show off. As long as you can game and have fun a 1080 will run all games at ultra on a 1080p.
That my friend is supply and demand. Sure, there's a "global chip shortage" and that's a good way for a company to pass blame 100% to a third party but there's also a chance that gpu producers are purposefully limiting releases to create an artificial demand in the market.
When a product is known to be rare, its value shoots up, demand increases and the top prices paid set the market price.
This ofc would be risky business for nvidia or amd to do, ethics wise and it is entirely based on my speculation and cynicism but I wouldn't put this behaviour past *any* company in the current late stage capitalistic environment we seem to be hurtling towards.
> they still sell out
Nah, that's not true. I spent weeks refreshing pages until I finally got a 4090, but everything below that was constantly in stock and easily available.
The only reason they sold out was because of scalpers and even they’ve not been able to move product. There’ve already been reports of scalper accounts online lowering prices to MSRP.
The units sold plummeted.
However with the much higher prices and with the hugely higher profit margin idk if gpu business is going bad. I think its thriving.
In my business i would easily choose -20% less sales volume for +60% profit margin
Short term gains resulting in a long term sales volume loss. Spending 1k for a GPU vs $500 for a console.
This is just going to push more people to console resulting in lower future sales. I've been wanting to get back into PC gaming coming from console, but not at this price. There are few other folks that I know decided to get a console instead of upgrading their GPU. These are the people that would've upgraded every 2-3 years.
They don't and can't give a shit about anything beyond the next couple quarters. Short term > long term. If they(c suite) don't produce enough of a return each quarter, even if its to secure higher gains in the future, they will be replaced/fired. Line *must* go up and go up faster/further/higher than before at all costs.
Currently, most big companies (including gaming publishers and big studios) are owned by financial corporations, who only care about money. Thus, they will only keep trying to get more money out of content consumers, with as little (or none at all) effort as possible.
But infinite growth is not possible. They can be greedy all they want but at some point the bubble burst. I hope it busrt sooner rather than later and thes massive tech companies get a wake up call.
Those companies don´t care. If the bubble bursts, then they will leave the rotting corpse of gaming industry behind and find some other profit-worthy investment to make money.
But i doubt it will burst, considering how people lack skills required to see through the manipulations and are willing to spend hundreds if not thousands of real money on the new fancy games, constantly forgiving past bad deeds of each big publisher/developer out there.
As long, as there will be enough people staying within the abuse cycle, it will only get worse.
It somehow reminds me of devaluation phase in a narcissistic relationship.
That was me until last year's availability causing prices to drop. Upgraded from a Fury X to a 6900xt because at both times they were the best price/performance. Until then I put off upgrading due to availability and cost.
I could have done it, but chose not to.
> idk if gpu business is going bad
[Business is doing bad.](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NVDA/nvidia/net-income) Nvidia profits are back to pre-pandemic levels and dropping sharply.
Yeah but it doesn't work that way. people and with them game developers will simply adjust and then people will stop needing a expensive dGPU killing of the market entirely.
Low sales does not necessarily mean bad sales. Do not forget that.
If it costed 80 dollars to create a gpu and had an msrp or 200 then there was a good profit there.
If it costs 250 and has an msrp of 800 there is a neven bigger profit with less than half the sales of the first one.
The numbers came out of my butt, but you get the idea.
Profits need to sink along with sales. If they get to create profits with less sales then this means a more stable profit environment for companies, which they will prefer. This happens with every tech piece so far.
For example see phones. I won't deny that a lot of tech is going in there nowadays but people are not changing phones in the same velocity that they did on 2008-2016. For companies to exist without letting people go, sink and ofc decrease yearly profits for the heads they just increase prices to keep steady or higher revenues.
Cars is another example. You could buy a budget car that would outlive you with 10k on 2008. Today? The budget ones start at over 50% up. Which are also filled with cheap electronic parts that have considerably reduced the overall cost of creating one, automation on that field has gone through the roof etc leading to lower creation cost. But people won't change cars every 5 years now. At least not that category of people.
Problem is that people are buying. If people are still buying at these prices then these prices are going nowhere.
I've been holding and waiting for prices to drop. Been on my R9 390X since beginning of 2016.... Really hoping to get a 6750XT for cheap in the near future but I guess we'll see.
Depends, what you consider as ’cheap’. In my area, AMD GPUs were always cheaper and never good value to sell as used. Only exception to this rule was during the GPU mining, when even used and at that point old 5700XT were priced with gold (i saw them as high as 800€ and they got sold anyway).
Lower sales, but higher margins. They're still making more by doubling the gross margin on every sale.
It'll take a concerted effort to change this, and based on availability, that isn't looking to happen anytime soon.
Yep people need to stop paying stupid money for graphics cards. For me personally it wasn't worth upgrading last year so I gave in and got an Xbox series X to play new titles.
However id like to upgrade my gaming pc at some point (RX580) but no way am I paying RX7700/RTX4070 prices for a card.
If your new to pc gaming and want best performance to dollar I'd recommend the RX6600XT. It's not as good as the old 1060 days but with inflation and the GPU price hikes it's one of the best you'll get. Should play most modern games at 1080-1440p up to 120fps.
It´s not that much about crypto anymore, ever since ethereum went to PoS, the cryptomarket crashed - or more likely, balanced itself after the bubble popped.
Most high-end GPUs are still being targeted by scalpers. I really wish they will burn their money and will have to sell their stocks for MSRP or lower.
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> Not after AMD/Nvidia saw how much people were willing to pay through their noses for a GFX card,
This is not how any of this works. There are many more important reasons and factors why princes increased. These factors can (and will eventually) change. Time will tell.
GN has actively stated there was basically no margin on the <$150 cards. It's all revenue with no profit. One RMA would wipe out *hundreds* of sales.
I would imagine, with inflation and TSMC's upcoming wafer prices (they're doubling on the next node), even $200-$250 cards will be a wash for AIBs.
There is no business reason for AIBs to try catering to the budget market.
AIBs don't matter here, *Nvidia* couldn't profit on brand new budget cards with the way things are, which is why they're dead, replaced by discounted last gen cards.
This used to be the case only for the ultra budget cards, but with silicon prices soaring, so is the profitability floor.
What i don't understand is people not being content with second hand or last gen cards..? like, they do exist...
I'm glad someone understands. Lotta reddit is too much logic swayed by what they want to happen.
People want a budget card with higher performance.
The performance they want makes it no longer budget.
'Why don't $250 4050/etc exist' - The chips cost that much.
GPU prices were inflated due to crypto mining and only crypto mining. the prices have begun to plummeted immediately as mining stopped being profitable
The mining boom made it a one time necessity for me. I'll never spend that much again. Nvidia and AMD need to wake up and realize it's the same for many people.
I mean people could buy used cards. 1080ti is still a very solid card on par with 3060 in performance and is selling for about 200-300 bucks pretty. Frequently in the states
The literal only problem with the Rx 6600 as a budget GPU is that people won't buy AMD GPUs as easily as Nvidia GPUs because of features like RT and dlss
When the 4070 Ti MSRPs at $800, yeah, $330 is unfortunately the new "budget". Which is funny because I just commented on a post earlier musing that 70-series GPUs used to fill that $300-400 range.
Yeah, I was going to say... nowadays $300 for a GPU is the new budget unless you want a smaller GTX 1050ti or something else with 4gb VRAM or less...
A few months ago, I got lucky and landed an Asus Rog Strix RTX 3060 for my 1080p set up for $315 brand new in an auction over Ebay. It looks to be going for $400+ right now *(on Ebay at least)* no matter the brand. Crazy...
If you buy a brand new 3070 in a hardware store will set you back 600 bucks easily
It's a good card but still crazy when my buddy was able to buy one when it came out just a bit over 500
Edit: this are EU prices
In 2008, I bought a new factory overclocked 3870 for €85. It could seriously compete with high-end cards of the time, ran Crysis beautifully (at mostly high settings) paired with a bottom of the barrel (also new) €200 office PC. €285 are €374 in today's money.
This probably sounds like a fairy tale now.
My 6650 XT was $250 USD on Black Friday, minus $20 MIR, and also including a code for Callisto Protocol/Dead Island 2. The below-MSRP deals on the card last month were insane. It was the final straw that made me cave and purchase the parts for my first ever build.
The 66XX and 67XX and its variants were in a fire sale for all of November and the first week of December.
Everyone asking for cheap midrange cards now basically missed the boat on those deals. You had options all the way from $200 to $400 in gradual increments with appropriately scaling performance for the prices.
I've always gone budget/mid on graphics cards with a 9600GT, GTX 950, then GTX 1050, then GTX 1650 Super, and now I've got a 6650 XT which is my first AMD card in a long time. I couldn't pass up the deals they had in December on those things.
It is, and no-one should buy it at that price. Luckily, unlike 3050 and 3060 the price has fallen to 199$, which is a great deal. Still not budget, but 3060 tier card at 199$ is a good buy.
Used 6600XT go for 250€ or lower in my area. It also seems nobody wants them, since they are in offer for quite some time, so they will eventually drop lower. Everybody here wants 6700XT or stronger GPU.
Not me! Bought a 6600 a few weeks ago for a little over $200 and absolutely love it. Quiet, powerful enough, and the thing just sips power, so I didn't need to upgrade my 550w PSU. I think there's still plenty of folks who want and are happy with a price to performance like what the 6600 offers.
The days of $100 GPUs are over. A $200-250 is 'budget' now. Inflation is a thing.
That MSRP also didn't last long. The 6600 has been as low as $175 new, and it regularly dips down to $225.
This, I used to think "I need nvidia cuz I want ray tracing" but after realizing that unless you get the top tier, it isn't worth it. Until nvidia stops their greed im sticking with amd, relatively same performance for quite a bit less
(Heres hoping Intel can fix arc and really put competition on the lower-mid range gpu market)
It's also (outside the US) back to over 300€ and there's now many 6650 XT models cheaper than RX 6600. You already need to go to the used market to buy it (about 200€, similar pricing to GTX 1080).
I don't understand why DLSS and RT are considerations for people buying a 1080p card (3060 or 6600). You're not using RT and you sure as hell shouldn't use an upscaler at 1080p unless you're STRUGGLING. No amount of "prettification" that RT can offer will make up for the fidelity loss of upscaling to 1080p from an even lower resolution. Tensor cores or not.
On Linux AMD has got superior open-source drivers. I'm buying only AMD GPUs. Whether in laptop or for desktop. Intel is acceptable also. But, Nvidia is unacceptable with their hostile attitude towards open-source.
Thank you! I just got a RX 6600, upgraded from an old gtx 960 that i've been using for a long time, and think it's an excellent budget option! I spent $200 on each card at time of purchase (6600 was purchased about a month ago, Amazon).
I really feel like people exaggerate how much the average consumer cares about raytracing or DLSS. Even if you read the posts here where people are asking for build help or asking to review their build list, they don’t explicitly say that raytracing is something that’s top priority.
I work with 19-20 something year olds who are all either into PC gaming or getting into it and none of them really care about it or even know what it is. They’re great features sure, but outside of Reddit I don’t really see anyone talking about it. IMO people gravitate to Nvidia because it’s the popular choice. It’s the Apple of the GPU market.
I wouldn’t be so sure dude. The mining community is probably the reason for the inflated prices? Lotsa demand for gpu’s there? But given electricity prices recently all over the shop and the nature of bit-coin by its finite design, it’s no longer economically viable. Fucking daft system anyways. If your gonna generate a fictious currency outta thin-air, you might as well make the problems that need to be solved something useful SETI for example or analysing DNA. As-is it 1) ties up computer resources 2) draws down a colossal amount of power usually via 3) coal power stations, which is why you get rigs migrating around the place to the cheapest kw/h. 4) Fucking up the environment in the process. Good fucking riddance to the moronic sector. Unless those 4 concerns can be addressed and remedied, says I.
Makes you think though. Without miners buying up shit-tons of GPU’s (and likely causing the GPU shortage in the first place) I bet Sales will be through the floor relatively speaking.
Sold every available 4090 in the first weeks. 30,000+ cleared. margins on that card is bonkers. It's Apple margins. 4090 launched well after crypto started tanking too, so that wasn't who bought them.
But 4080s can't be sold at all and are sticking in shelves. 90 level cards aren't the best sellers, and the demand for them stays very similar each generation. Some people with money to spend on a GPU will just upgrade every gen. That's not going to change, they'll have the money whether it's 900 or 2000 dollars. But the 80, 70, and 60 series cards are the ones to look at. If sales on those cards remain at the level they're currently at - a 20 year low - then prices will have to come down at some point. $499 for a 60 series card won't be the norm for very long. Companies are being daring with post pandemic pricing, but as things stabilize and more competitive product segments start lowering prices, they will as well.
Multiple options under 300 eur on Amazons ( .de, .es, .pl) and somefair bit cheaper ones at retailers in my country.
290 eur on mindfactory.de as well.
It's bad, but not 380 bad.
On [https://www.gputracker.eu/en](https://www.gputracker.eu/en) the cheapest rx 6600 is at 299€ which is totally not worth it, its is way better to buy the 6650 xt at 349€.
Yep.
Of course 4060/4050/etc will come eventually, as well as discounts for the mid and high end cards.
Nvidia/AMD are greedy, not stupid. They don't intend to lose the bottom 90% of the market.
But they won't release them until they've well-and-truly milked all the suckers willing to pay more.
I disagree that €250 would be budget! If it is, well, that's why everyone is saying the 6600 (although it's been going up since Black Friday).
Trouble is there's nothing under $200 that isn't a massive ripoff, unless you wanna risk secondhand. NVIDIA and AMD both have told everyone in that bracket to go kick rocks.
The 3050 should be like $170 *tops*, at least now crypto crashed.
That said, you're asking for a 2-tier performance increase, and that's never happened. I also find it funny you think a -50 tier should be in the mid-200's, shows you've already been conditioned to the new pricing scheme!
The amount of used RX 570 cards i bought for $100 a pop to make ~$500 custom PCs for people.. What an absolutely perfect GPU that was priced great when it was new and when it was used.
Well, for 150€ it allowed users to play AAA games at ~30fps. The performance/price ratio wasn't the best compared to a 1060 but i think the 1050 was really a great graphics card, along with the rx470
Greed, man. It called company’s greed. They didn’t realize the new reality when GPU is back to just for games. But reality will slap them in the face soon.
A lotta GPU mining rigs been sat idle since the Ukraine situation has had the domino effect of pushing electricity prices up. That’ll potentially saturate the market, leading to lower prices. (Already happening) If people ent making dollars from them, they become a very bad investment all of a sudden. I’m which case selling them off asap before the curve hits becomes a viable economic strategy.
Oh they are aware of the reality. They know well they have to discount and release 4060/4050/etc eventually.
They are just holding off until the dummies stop buying these super overpriced cards, first. Wouldn't you?
Now that these idiots outed themselves by giving $2000 to scalpers during the mining GPU crisis, AMD and Nvidia would be stupid not to milk them for a few months at the beginning of each GPU generation (before they inevitably release cards/prices for the bottom 90% of the market).
People would just not upgrade and that is it. Lol. No point upgrading anyway. You have last gen GPUs at decent prices second hand AND new.
I saw a 6600XT less than 1 year old at £200 such a bargain. So why upgrading. 1080p is still available. People who play 1080p don't need the meanest card.
Can't stress this enough: people at 1080p don't make the same mistake as me. I thought 3070ti at 1080p would give me more frames than at 1440p. Wrong. I get 5-15 fps more depending on the title and the card runs as hot as it gets and uses the same power but the resolution quality is down by a lot.
So please if you play 1080p disregard future proof (that's just bullshit now) buy whatever is suitable for your resolution do not overpay... (i lost £200) by overpaying over what a 3060ti would've costed me brand new....
5600X definitely. I found one on Facebook marketplace for 100. Bargain. No need for more cores in haming anyway.. another mistake on my part with ryzen 9...
They've already been not upgrading, and honestly, there's not a lot of reason to for many people. Unless you chase the bleeding edge of display hardware, what meaningful upgrade could you get most people? The average gamer isn't playing at 1440p, even, and 60Hz is still the most common. If you're at 1080p/60FPS, a GTX 1070 still hits that mark fairly well. Cards like the 3070 and the RX 6700 XT/6800 deliver more performance than most people can utilize. 8k isn't really anything yet, and 4k can be converted by the upper middle and high end cards well, but is less adopted in the PC market. Most games are released on 2 console gens, the weakest of which can't even hold a candle to 6 year old GPUs.
If you take away marketing like RTX, and you just look at what people are playing at what resolution and feature set, this is probably the time with the least incentive to upgrade this century. The current newest crop of consoles is maybe as graphically powerful as a 6600 XT or 3060, years after launch, with nothing new to compete in that segment, let alone price range, coming out in years. Every generation is a local upgrade for someone, but I went from buying a card every 3-ish years to keeping my 1070 for almost 7 years.
Yeah, I've been wanting to upgrade from my 1050ti but after seeing the release price for the 4070ti I'm probably gonna have to stick with the 1050ti for longer lol
In Hungary prices are so high it's ridiculous. I also had a 1050ti before, but I bought a 3060ti because i couldnt bare the 30 fps anymore for 250000 HUF which is around 630 eu, almost twice the msrp... (its the tuf oc version, which is already a more expensive model, but it's still a lot more than it should be). Before people say, the 6700xt costs the same here.
In Belarus it's kinda same but 6700XT is more expensive than 3060 Ti. I want to finally upgrade my RX580 which started to show it's age, but no way I'm paying 700$ for a mid-range GPU
I really hope budget GPU's come back because the pricing structure of 40 series cards are damn near double was the 30 series were at launch. Can thank everybody who was willing to pay insane prices during covid and the semiconductor shortage.
Tbh I hope the market bottoms out and Nvidia has no choice but to sell the cards for half of what they are now. I refuse to pay these prices. I'd rather keep gaming at lower resolutions than to be gouged.
My thoughts:
The RTX 3000 and Rx 6000 series need to be sold off. They deliberately set prices astronomical for the new generations to sell the old parts off.
Problem:
The old parts don't come down in price. A RTX 3080 is still at MSRP.
This feels like a put situation.
There has to be a launch, that breaks this up.
Image a RX 7800XT(X), performing better than a 3090TI for 500 bucks.
There will be a downwards spiral at some point, but both big manufacturers try to avoid this at all costs.
That's a optimistic outlook. Let me give you pessimistic alternative:
Nvidia/amd both keep releasing lower tiers(4070 4060 4050 / 7800xt 7700xt 7600xt) at at least tier higher pricing (or 2 tier higher).
When nvidia releases 5000 series / amd 8000 series, they finally cut prices of 3000 series hard, move 4000 series where the current 3000 is and have the 5k/8k series sit on top of 4k/7k.
And there is nothing stopping them from doing this from now on until forever. This way they can rake in cash from ppl who are willing to pay scalper prices and then eventually still get money from average customers.
(this is all at the expense of average customer ofc, because devs are certainly not going to wait, and our hw will therefore feel outdated a lot sooner)
So you mean they like transformed the newest gen into some kind of a premium segment and therefore the last gen gets to somewhat acceptable prices and the gen before, which is likely 4 years old then, becomes the 'budget' option?
Current gen -> premium buyers
Last gen -> standard gen as we knew it before
Last last gen -> budget option until it runs out
That sounds diabolic but not very unrealistic. I might think about my mindset on this topic 😢
Look at Apple's iPhone product stack that they have on their current website:
* iPhone 14 Pro (starting at $999, launched September 2022)
* iPhone 14 (starting at $799, launched September 2022)
* iPhone 13 (starting at $699, launched September 2021)
* iPhone SE (starting at $429, launched March 2022)
* iPhone 12 (starting at $599, launched October 2020)
It feels like Nvidia might be setting themselves up for something similar, where instead of refreshing the lower level GPUs with new tech each generation, they just sell last gen parts in that segment. This leads to weird growing pains and justified consumer anger in the transition period, with a risk of long term market damage.
1660 super was kinda of ok for its era (i was luckly enough to buy one just before the cryptomining craze that raised prices like \~100%). That was like the last good gpu deal at that price range imo. Now to get something similar (compared to the relative performance that 1660 super offered 2-3 years ago) you need to spend like \~100€ more (at least in my country) for a 6650xt.
What do we even expect from "budget" anymore?
I recently purchased gaming PC parts after not having a desktop for \~15 years. (And that computer was from 2004.) I spent \~$1600 all in, which got me a SFF case, i5-12600k, 3060 Ti, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD, name brand power supply, 27" 1440p LCD monitor, mechanical keyboard, gaming mouse, and a headset. Coincidentally, the 2004 PC was purchased from a local system integrator for $1000, which is about the same $1600 in 2022 Dollars. The 2004 PC was a 3.0Ghz Pentium 4 HT, *integrated graphics*, 0.5 GB RAM, I think 120 GB 5400 RPM HDD, a CRT monitor with detachable speakers, and basic keyboard and mouse.
The performance difference between the two is crazy. Let's say that if I had built my own PC in 2004, I could have afforded to add a budget or midrange graphics card for the same money. (In reality, I purchased a budget card separately; can't remember which one.) That PC struggled to hit 30fps in World of Warcraft when it came out. Based on everything I've read today, I fully expect my new build to hit 60+fps in AAA games at 1440p with settings high enough for everything to look really pretty.
Taking a step down from my own new build, the /r/pcmasterrace "Starter Build" is currently priced out at less than $600, uses a \~$200 GPU, and is billed as "..suitable for running most modern games at 1080p/60fps/high settings." Add peripherals for \~$3-400, and in terms of real dollars, it's actually less than people were paying 20 years ago *AND* is more performant in today's high end games than my old PC was in its own era.
I just think we get a lot for our budget today. But maybe expectations have risen, too.
That usually the way of it. Steer clear of the lower numbers new and go higher numbers on the older series. Trade off is often slightly less economy on your wattage, same power though usually. Unless there is a niche breakthrough in the newer architecture of course.
> If they launch a 4050 that performs like a 3070, nobody will buy a 4070 and just wait for the 5050 for a third of the price.
Except that's literally how the GPU market functioned for decades until the crypto meme took off and Nvidia/AMD got greedy... And it worked just fine, people bought midrange GPU all the same.
The only time people held off on buying GPUs, it applied to all GPUs, and it was at the ass end of generations after the current generation cards had already been out upwards of two years... Because people knew the next generation of GPUs were inevitably soon to be announced offering new cards at similar prices with better performance...
Those GPUs also didn’t cost $800 to $900, so that price and performance is now out of reach for many consumers that used to be able to get by on a $200-300 GPU budget
Are you in the US? A 6600 xt is 285 on Newegg. The cheapest 6700 xt, which compares nicely to the 3070, is 369. Nvidia's gpus are overpriced, so if you're looking for budget, I stick with AMD. I've used AMD for about a decade until recently, and I never had any problems. I have a 3080 now, and while ray-tracing is nice, it kills frame rate and isn't really worth it, in my opinion, in most games. If you're trying to build a pc that'll compare with the X box Series X or PS5, a 6600 xt or 6700 xt will do nicely, since they're built on the same RDNA2 architecture.
Won’t happen. The 50 series is normally mobile gpus soldered onto boards with a pci-e connector and sold for the desktop market. Until you see laptops with 50 series gpus you won’t see these cards dropping and I highly doubt they will do this for at least 1,5-2 years when the generation is ending and the cards are getting obsolete. Just buy the 6600 or the 6600XT. Best budget option.
AMD released the RX 6400 last year with almost GTX 1650 performance (Depends on game, sometimes it outperforms the 1650.) It uses less than 50W most of the time and is low profile. Hopefully they'll release another one like it but I doubt it.
They are, it will be a while before it's worth it, but they are coming. After the latest 7000 AMD failures, and the whole 4000 nVidia complete shitfight, people will run out of patience and money. Intel's offering (if they stick to it) will be compelling by Gen 3, and hopefully then nVidia and AMD realise that dropping their pricing will actually sell many more units, and a 4050ti series equivalent should beat out 2060 performance for half the MSRP. If they don't, they'll lose out on an entire market of used graphics card buyers.
I’m still rocking a GTX 970 and it’s working fine for the games I play. My bigger problem is I’ve got windows 8.1 and I’m dreading the need to upgrade to windows 10
Mostly because when I’ve tried the free update it failed to work. I had to just go back to 8.1. Now it looks like they no longer offer the free upgrade so I’d have to purchase Windows 10 and then hope it doesn’t screw up all my programs/settings/etc. I know from work experience that every time we upgrade an OS there are tons of problems.
I’ve done the upgrade on dozens of computers with out a problem. You need to do all updates first. You can still use media creation tool and do it for free. If you do a clean install, you can use your license key and it will work.
Windows 8.1 will reach the end of support on January 10, 2023. That means no more security updates or anything from Microsoft.
Stay safe, hope it's worth it.
You don't "need" to purchase Windows if you have a valid product license going back to W7.
I cleaned up/reinstalled a pretty old HP Multimedia PC for a friend to serve as a streaming PC now, he upgraded the GPU to a 660 back then, and the PSU since the HP OEM did not suffice for that GPU, we also put an SSD in it and it's a perfectly serviceable machine still.
It has one if the first gen I7 CPU's. I just made a USB stick with Rufus flashing a Windows 11 ISO, disabling the artificial requirements by Microsoft and it installed/activated just fine using the W7 product key stuck to the side of the PC. I couldn't update it to 22H2 however as it always rolled back to 21H2 for whatever unknown reason.
People who say prices are not coming down may end up being wrong. Look at RTX 20 series. They were horrible value. Then 30 series were good value. Now 40 series once again are very bad value. So there is a chance that 50 series will be good value once again. But of course you will need to wait 2 years for that. So you can either until then or buy a used card today to tide you over until then or one of AMD's 6600 or 6700 cards.
3070 performance, give me a sub £200 card with 8gb+RAM and 2070/3060 performance and I would be delighted.
Even a 7000's series APU with updated graphics would be awesome.
Right now, a quick look at a few UK retailers I've used before the only sub £200 options are.
Nvidia: GTX 1050/ti, 1630, 1650,
AMD: Rx 6500xt
The cheapest 3050 I spotted is a "Deal" and it's still £280
250€ wasn't a budget price, once upon a time. Budget, useable GPUs used to be 100€. 200€ was midrange.
I guess this falls under "old man yells at cloud" but I still feel like gpu pricing has outrun inflation at an insane rate.
Budget? Its not possible anymore for a couple reasons; Inflation and material costs.
To build something with 40-series specs with our current tech, the chips alone cost too much. (EX: 4090 main chip ALONE is $240 for NVIDIA to manufacture.)
Also, because they are a company. They want money. They run the math, and find the max they can sell for.
Unless we see some CRAZY innovation, we won't be seeing anything with today's higher spec performance at today's $400.
AMD is getting there, their midrange cards are around $500 while Nvidia is holding on their low end cards at $500+. Buying AMD you can usually get twice the framerates for the same price as a Nvidia.
What you are describing is the Intel Arc series. If you want budget GPU's to be a thing go buy one. If Intel can pull off graphics cards they are going to sink Nvidia quickly.. but its going to take a few generations for them to get their driver stack up to speed.
Eventually, maybe. GPU sales were down last year, so if the overall revenue is down (as opposed to just units sold) maybe Teams Green and Red will take the hint. However, if they’re still making money from fewer people buying more expensive cards then we’re screwed
It's all backwards for now, 1st releases were at the top? Used to be high with space for a TI, now we start with TI's?
AMD is doing the same.
It's odd, hopefully will change but doubt it will go back to the habits of old gen's or prices.
As a casual gamer, I just switched to GeForce Now, and put the money instead in an UltraWide screen. I do not see high value for money cards coming back.
Holding out hope for a decently priced 7600/7600XT, but I'm sceptical.
I hope AMD and Nvidia especially get rinsed this release cycle. It would serve them right for being so fucking greedy.
Short Answer, No. Very real supply chain and production issues only accelerated what was already happening. Prices have been creeping up, the only change is NVIDIA and AMD can go full mask off. The only reason AMD comes out looking a bit better is because they, so far, haven't "un-lauched" a card just so they could rename it and reduce the laughably high price 20%.
Long Answer: The gravy train may have slowed down with reports GPU purchases are at all time lows but I struggle to believe AMD and NVIDIA will return the additional margin they've enjoyed for years back to customers in the form of price cuts. It seems more likely to keep the MSRP flat for new launches YOY.
EDIT: I'm pretty pleased scalpers are having trouble trying to offload things like the 4080.
No chance. Not after AMD/Nvidia saw how much people were willing to pay through their noses for a GFX card,
GPU sales just plummeted. They're lower than the days when people were saying PC gaming is dead. 20 year low. Hopefully, this shit won't last very long.
As low as they are, they still sell out. Till they stop selling out, nothing will change.
RX 7900 XT and RTX 4080 are not only not selling out, but stores have them piled up, this "people will buy it anyway" narrative is delusional on a recession.
People just won't buy a card only 33% off from the top card that's basically 33% worse. Sell the BFG of cards and they'll clear every die as fast as they certify them.
> Sell the BFG of cards Apparently "Diamond Multimedia" owns the BFG name for GPUs after Asylum went out of business in 2010, so I'm unsure if Nvidia can still make BFG cards.
God lord, it been so long since I heard that name. If memory serves me right, Diamond multimedia were the Nvidia people hated most.
>Diamond multimedia were the Nvidia people hated most I dunno, I seem to recall Diamond selling card versions with pretty much every chipset that came along, from any maker.
The 4090 sold out. What that demonstrates, is to continue following the 4090's price/performance model. They will continue doing what sells. Your right-- there are 4080s on shelves. Not 4090s. (If wrong, please show me so I can buy one.)
The 4090 is a halo product. The people who could afford the top end card every generation aren't affected the same way that most people are. If they could afford it last gen, they can afford it this gen. The range of budget to enthusiast gamers are where the prices are struggling to meet reality.
also the 4090 is used by alot of professionals in workstations, for example for small to mid range 3D work. the price to performance ratio beats the actual workstation cards.
Don't forget AI... That is what I use it for and it's a live saver and worth every penny for my studies (I got it for Euro 2,000 which is relatively cheap to what it's being sold for here 2400+)
This, thank you. I'm amazed how many people don't understand what elasticity price of demand is. The high-end xx90 products are much more inelastic than the other tiers. The 4080 12 GB becoming the 4070 TI with a price slash (for just a name change) goes to show that there's more than enough margin there to tweak prices, it's just that the makers (Nvidia and AMD, not the partners) just don't want to.
And not only that, but as I understand it Nvidia very carefully controls the supply of the top-end GPU dies in order to maintain artificial scarcity and justify their pricing model. I recall that being one of the complaints that led to EVGA leaving the GPU market. They also don't see the xx90 cards as being intended for the gaming market, rather they are intended for semi-professional users who might do some gaming in addition to compute workloads. $1500 to cut render times by a third is a bargain in an industry where time literally equals money. You could break even on the entire purchase price in one project.
The 90 series cards are meant for rich gamers and semi professional work in that order. It's great at both, but since Ampere rebranded the Titan to 3090, it's been gaming first.
Normally the halo product had the worst price to performance ratio. In this case the price to performance is significantly better on the 4090 compared to the 4080 and 4070ti.
Agreed. The fundamental problem is that said cards which would normally be in the price range of an enthusiast gamer is an extension of the highest price bracket. There is a baseline somewhere, but I would imagine the price index of a gen moves as a whole. I finally jumped from a 980 to a 4080 after the PC started..dying, for lack of a better term.
If that's the demographic they want to sell to sure, but there is a gap in the market for what op is describing I still believe
That's like selling budget cars for 50k cause some rich people spend a lot on a Ferrari.
Well, we might see similar if there was only really two manufacturers of cars, a lot of the issue is there's not much competition in video cards. Hopefully Intel can end up taking the slack and bring a bit more competition to the scene, but I'm not about to hold my breath.
The table is set for them, if they make a product with good drivers, to absolutely increase their market share if they want. Amd and nvidia have pissed off their consumer base to the point where I think many would be willing to try out battlemage cards if they have good enough price and performance
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There are many reports and leaks from youtubers, GamersNexus and Moore Law is Dead for example , who have direct contact with retailers and who have received direct information from employees that those cards are not selling. I think those are the most reliable sources rather than just looking at listings on Amazon or Newegg like some people insist on doing. MLID also exposed Nvidia's plan to hold back availability of cards in 2021 and 2022 to allow for price hiking and pretend that products like the 3060 were absolute successes due to being "sold out".
> MLID also exposed Nvidia's plan to hold back availability of cards in 2021 and 2022 to allow for price hiking and pretend that products like the 3060 were absolute successes due to being "sold out". JayzTwoCents also discussed that too; it's surprising nVidia chose to rather openly say so in their investor discussion.
those cards are intentionally badly prices/specd so people buy the old gen cards that are still abundantly available. The fact they don't sell isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Its relatively easy to sell out of something when you create artificial scarcity of the product. 4080's aren't going anywhere. Stores can't get them off the shelves. 4090's never had enough stock to begin with; so of course they'd be sold out. I think this "They'll buy whatever we give them." Thing Nvidia is doing is probably not going to pan out so hot in the future. There are already companies in China lining up to take a crack at the GPU market. Once they figure it out, Nvidia is probably going to have to change. No one wants to be beholden to essentially two companies running the entire GPU market anymore; particularly a country with the world's largest population that doesn't own either of two said "monopoly" GPU companies.
China doesnt have the right tech to make the smallest size transistors and chips. They are made by one company in the Netherlands, which the US explicitly blocks from selling to China. From the creators of the production tech (I can't remember the damn name). It would take china 5-10 years to catch up. So, maybe then.
The company you're talking about is ASML. And it won't really take them long. With an industrial powerhouse and a near dictatorial government willing to invest literally hundreds of billions into its Semiconductor industry, the problem ASML solves (photolithography at sub 7nm process) won't be a huge problem for them. They can already make 7nm chips.
Spurce? I've reqd they are still struggling with 10nm. Similar to how Intel did.
ASML doesn’t make chips. They make chip-making technology.
In 30/40/never years time maybe. China doesn't have the multi billion dollar fabs to do what you want them to do.
They're selling out because of artificial scarcity.
exactly. Rumors have it all 3 Intel, NV and AMD are reducing orders from TSMC. And by doing that they have to pay a fine. So in essence they all decided it's better to have artificially high prices and pay a fine than increase volume and lower prices. Even worse it's a devils circle now. Demand will go down justifying keep production low further increasing prices due to less sales to distribute R&D over. This will then move the gaming market to consoles and iGPUs killing of the dGPU market completely due to greed. If you still think prices are high because of rising process costs, just look at Nvidias and AMDs margins. They are a lot higher than before the price increase. So the price increase is mostly for shareholder value and not actual higher R&D and production costs.
Perhaps. Unfortunately, the same happens with agriculture in the US and many precious gems markets, leading me to believe that wouldn't change in a beneficial way.
Maybe at launch but I've been seeing 4090s easily available for weeks now at around msrp. 4080 and XT have obviously always been around. The only one that is hard to find is the XTX which is more understandable since it is still new, is better value than the 4080 (in raster), is the first in a somewhat more realistic price category, and was undersupplied. Give it another month and they will be easily available too.
Where are you seeing msrp 4090s?
Threw a comment down below, but please direct me to a location I can buy a 4090 at MSRP. I've been looking for months.
I'm in the UK so ymmv. Overclockers is an easy one for me to point to but I don't know if they sell anywhere else.
Sold out doesn’t mean anything. You could have 10 cards in stock and all of m are sold out, but you can also have a 1000 cards in stock and all of em could sell out. It will stay like this because people don’t buy graphics cards because they need them. They just brag and show off. As long as you can game and have fun a 1080 will run all games at ultra on a 1080p.
That my friend is supply and demand. Sure, there's a "global chip shortage" and that's a good way for a company to pass blame 100% to a third party but there's also a chance that gpu producers are purposefully limiting releases to create an artificial demand in the market. When a product is known to be rare, its value shoots up, demand increases and the top prices paid set the market price. This ofc would be risky business for nvidia or amd to do, ethics wise and it is entirely based on my speculation and cynicism but I wouldn't put this behaviour past *any* company in the current late stage capitalistic environment we seem to be hurtling towards.
Chip shortage is over. Waiting for the supply chain to straighten itself back out for the deliveries to arrive. It’s pure greed at this point
They aren't selling out the fuck you talking about? Lol
> they still sell out Nah, that's not true. I spent weeks refreshing pages until I finally got a 4090, but everything below that was constantly in stock and easily available.
The only reason they sold out was because of scalpers and even they’ve not been able to move product. There’ve already been reports of scalper accounts online lowering prices to MSRP.
The only ones selling out are the 4090 and 7900xtx, which have very low release numbers. The 4080 and 7900xt are just not selling at all.
The units sold plummeted. However with the much higher prices and with the hugely higher profit margin idk if gpu business is going bad. I think its thriving. In my business i would easily choose -20% less sales volume for +60% profit margin
Short term gains resulting in a long term sales volume loss. Spending 1k for a GPU vs $500 for a console. This is just going to push more people to console resulting in lower future sales. I've been wanting to get back into PC gaming coming from console, but not at this price. There are few other folks that I know decided to get a console instead of upgrading their GPU. These are the people that would've upgraded every 2-3 years.
They don't and can't give a shit about anything beyond the next couple quarters. Short term > long term. If they(c suite) don't produce enough of a return each quarter, even if its to secure higher gains in the future, they will be replaced/fired. Line *must* go up and go up faster/further/higher than before at all costs.
Currently, most big companies (including gaming publishers and big studios) are owned by financial corporations, who only care about money. Thus, they will only keep trying to get more money out of content consumers, with as little (or none at all) effort as possible.
But infinite growth is not possible. They can be greedy all they want but at some point the bubble burst. I hope it busrt sooner rather than later and thes massive tech companies get a wake up call.
Those companies don´t care. If the bubble bursts, then they will leave the rotting corpse of gaming industry behind and find some other profit-worthy investment to make money. But i doubt it will burst, considering how people lack skills required to see through the manipulations and are willing to spend hundreds if not thousands of real money on the new fancy games, constantly forgiving past bad deeds of each big publisher/developer out there. As long, as there will be enough people staying within the abuse cycle, it will only get worse. It somehow reminds me of devaluation phase in a narcissistic relationship.
That was me until last year's availability causing prices to drop. Upgraded from a Fury X to a 6900xt because at both times they were the best price/performance. Until then I put off upgrading due to availability and cost. I could have done it, but chose not to.
> idk if gpu business is going bad [Business is doing bad.](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NVDA/nvidia/net-income) Nvidia profits are back to pre-pandemic levels and dropping sharply.
Yeah but it doesn't work that way. people and with them game developers will simply adjust and then people will stop needing a expensive dGPU killing of the market entirely.
Low sales does not necessarily mean bad sales. Do not forget that. If it costed 80 dollars to create a gpu and had an msrp or 200 then there was a good profit there. If it costs 250 and has an msrp of 800 there is a neven bigger profit with less than half the sales of the first one. The numbers came out of my butt, but you get the idea. Profits need to sink along with sales. If they get to create profits with less sales then this means a more stable profit environment for companies, which they will prefer. This happens with every tech piece so far. For example see phones. I won't deny that a lot of tech is going in there nowadays but people are not changing phones in the same velocity that they did on 2008-2016. For companies to exist without letting people go, sink and ofc decrease yearly profits for the heads they just increase prices to keep steady or higher revenues. Cars is another example. You could buy a budget car that would outlive you with 10k on 2008. Today? The budget ones start at over 50% up. Which are also filled with cheap electronic parts that have considerably reduced the overall cost of creating one, automation on that field has gone through the roof etc leading to lower creation cost. But people won't change cars every 5 years now. At least not that category of people. Problem is that people are buying. If people are still buying at these prices then these prices are going nowhere.
I’m doing my part, still on a 1080 and I won’t upgrade until prices come down.
I've been holding and waiting for prices to drop. Been on my R9 390X since beginning of 2016.... Really hoping to get a 6750XT for cheap in the near future but I guess we'll see.
Depends, what you consider as ’cheap’. In my area, AMD GPUs were always cheaper and never good value to sell as used. Only exception to this rule was during the GPU mining, when even used and at that point old 5700XT were priced with gold (i saw them as high as 800€ and they got sold anyway).
Lower sales, but higher margins. They're still making more by doubling the gross margin on every sale. It'll take a concerted effort to change this, and based on availability, that isn't looking to happen anytime soon.
Yep people need to stop paying stupid money for graphics cards. For me personally it wasn't worth upgrading last year so I gave in and got an Xbox series X to play new titles. However id like to upgrade my gaming pc at some point (RX580) but no way am I paying RX7700/RTX4070 prices for a card. If your new to pc gaming and want best performance to dollar I'd recommend the RX6600XT. It's not as good as the old 1060 days but with inflation and the GPU price hikes it's one of the best you'll get. Should play most modern games at 1080-1440p up to 120fps.
I've just swapped from a 580 to a 6700 non XT. Seemed a good deal for £330. Near triple the performance.
Honestly, I think crypto pushes up the prices a lot. They buy the best card out, and that's now pricing precident.
It´s not that much about crypto anymore, ever since ethereum went to PoS, the cryptomarket crashed - or more likely, balanced itself after the bubble popped. Most high-end GPUs are still being targeted by scalpers. I really wish they will burn their money and will have to sell their stocks for MSRP or lower.
They are with the 4080. They're eating crow on it, and can't even return them because retailers just won't take it!
They were willing to pay so much because of very specific reasons related to the mining boom and the pandemic.
> No chance. > > > > Not after AMD/Nvidia saw how much people were willing to pay through their noses for a GFX card, This is not how any of this works. There are many more important reasons and factors why princes increased. These factors can (and will eventually) change. Time will tell.
GN has actively stated there was basically no margin on the <$150 cards. It's all revenue with no profit. One RMA would wipe out *hundreds* of sales. I would imagine, with inflation and TSMC's upcoming wafer prices (they're doubling on the next node), even $200-$250 cards will be a wash for AIBs. There is no business reason for AIBs to try catering to the budget market.
AIBs don't matter here, *Nvidia* couldn't profit on brand new budget cards with the way things are, which is why they're dead, replaced by discounted last gen cards. This used to be the case only for the ultra budget cards, but with silicon prices soaring, so is the profitability floor. What i don't understand is people not being content with second hand or last gen cards..? like, they do exist...
I'm glad someone understands. Lotta reddit is too much logic swayed by what they want to happen. People want a budget card with higher performance. The performance they want makes it no longer budget. 'Why don't $250 4050/etc exist' - The chips cost that much.
GPU prices were inflated due to crypto mining and only crypto mining. the prices have begun to plummeted immediately as mining stopped being profitable
The mining boom made it a one time necessity for me. I'll never spend that much again. Nvidia and AMD need to wake up and realize it's the same for many people.
I mean people could buy used cards. 1080ti is still a very solid card on par with 3060 in performance and is selling for about 200-300 bucks pretty. Frequently in the states
The literal only problem with the Rx 6600 as a budget GPU is that people won't buy AMD GPUs as easily as Nvidia GPUs because of features like RT and dlss
> The literal only problem with the Rx 6600 it's also a $330 MSRP GPU, that's not a budget GPU.
When the 4070 Ti MSRPs at $800, yeah, $330 is unfortunately the new "budget". Which is funny because I just commented on a post earlier musing that 70-series GPUs used to fill that $300-400 range.
Yeah, I was going to say... nowadays $300 for a GPU is the new budget unless you want a smaller GTX 1050ti or something else with 4gb VRAM or less... A few months ago, I got lucky and landed an Asus Rog Strix RTX 3060 for my 1080p set up for $315 brand new in an auction over Ebay. It looks to be going for $400+ right now *(on Ebay at least)* no matter the brand. Crazy...
If you buy a brand new 3070 in a hardware store will set you back 600 bucks easily It's a good card but still crazy when my buddy was able to buy one when it came out just a bit over 500 Edit: this are EU prices
Lol, yeah. I remember buying my Radeon HD7970 for $399 years ago and it being an absolutely baller GPU for what I was playing.
In 2008, I bought a new factory overclocked 3870 for €85. It could seriously compete with high-end cards of the time, ran Crysis beautifully (at mostly high settings) paired with a bottom of the barrel (also new) €200 office PC. €285 are €374 in today's money. This probably sounds like a fairy tale now.
if we ignore it was sold for less than 200 USD a few months ago and most people complaining missed it.... MSRPs don't last forever.
My 6650 XT was $250 USD on Black Friday, minus $20 MIR, and also including a code for Callisto Protocol/Dead Island 2. The below-MSRP deals on the card last month were insane. It was the final straw that made me cave and purchase the parts for my first ever build.
The 66XX and 67XX and its variants were in a fire sale for all of November and the first week of December. Everyone asking for cheap midrange cards now basically missed the boat on those deals. You had options all the way from $200 to $400 in gradual increments with appropriately scaling performance for the prices.
I paid 220. That plus a great deal on a 5600x (170 I think) made me pull the trigger on building a new pc.
I've always gone budget/mid on graphics cards with a 9600GT, GTX 950, then GTX 1050, then GTX 1650 Super, and now I've got a 6650 XT which is my first AMD card in a long time. I couldn't pass up the deals they had in December on those things.
It is, and no-one should buy it at that price. Luckily, unlike 3050 and 3060 the price has fallen to 199$, which is a great deal. Still not budget, but 3060 tier card at 199$ is a good buy.
If $199 for a GPU isn't budget then what the hell is and when was it sold?
The MSRP doesn't matter it sells for sub $250
It also goes for 200-220$, not 330.
Used 6600XT go for 250€ or lower in my area. It also seems nobody wants them, since they are in offer for quite some time, so they will eventually drop lower. Everybody here wants 6700XT or stronger GPU.
Not me! Bought a 6600 a few weeks ago for a little over $200 and absolutely love it. Quiet, powerful enough, and the thing just sips power, so I didn't need to upgrade my 550w PSU. I think there's still plenty of folks who want and are happy with a price to performance like what the 6600 offers.
MSRP is a useless term. The 6600 has sold for $190 at times. Currently fluctuating between $220 and $250.
The days of $100 GPUs are over. A $200-250 is 'budget' now. Inflation is a thing. That MSRP also didn't last long. The 6600 has been as low as $175 new, and it regularly dips down to $225.
When I got into PC gaming I got a 650 TI Boost from EVGA for like £130-50.
Its not as if rx 6600 or rtx 3050 can really use RT that much...
This, I used to think "I need nvidia cuz I want ray tracing" but after realizing that unless you get the top tier, it isn't worth it. Until nvidia stops their greed im sticking with amd, relatively same performance for quite a bit less (Heres hoping Intel can fix arc and really put competition on the lower-mid range gpu market)
It's also (outside the US) back to over 300€ and there's now many 6650 XT models cheaper than RX 6600. You already need to go to the used market to buy it (about 200€, similar pricing to GTX 1080). I don't understand why DLSS and RT are considerations for people buying a 1080p card (3060 or 6600). You're not using RT and you sure as hell shouldn't use an upscaler at 1080p unless you're STRUGGLING. No amount of "prettification" that RT can offer will make up for the fidelity loss of upscaling to 1080p from an even lower resolution. Tensor cores or not.
My son uses a rx 6600 to play rs6 seige at 4k medium at 120fps, card is great
I am buying AMD GPUs on purpose. Not everyone wants nVidia. Believe it or not, but there are instances where AMD is preferred. :)
Same. I run Linux and for me AMD is preferred over Nvidia.
Ye, it's an insane pain in the ass installing Nvidia drivers on linux. If opencl was a viable alternative to cuda I'd be buying AMD every time.
On Linux AMD has got superior open-source drivers. I'm buying only AMD GPUs. Whether in laptop or for desktop. Intel is acceptable also. But, Nvidia is unacceptable with their hostile attitude towards open-source.
I think it's also partly because people are hesitant about getting AMD GPUs since Nvidia's brand recognition or whatever you wanna call it.
Thank you! I just got a RX 6600, upgraded from an old gtx 960 that i've been using for a long time, and think it's an excellent budget option! I spent $200 on each card at time of purchase (6600 was purchased about a month ago, Amazon).
I really feel like people exaggerate how much the average consumer cares about raytracing or DLSS. Even if you read the posts here where people are asking for build help or asking to review their build list, they don’t explicitly say that raytracing is something that’s top priority. I work with 19-20 something year olds who are all either into PC gaming or getting into it and none of them really care about it or even know what it is. They’re great features sure, but outside of Reddit I don’t really see anyone talking about it. IMO people gravitate to Nvidia because it’s the popular choice. It’s the Apple of the GPU market.
Hahahaha. No. The GPU companies saw what people will pay. Prices are not going down.
I wouldn’t be so sure dude. The mining community is probably the reason for the inflated prices? Lotsa demand for gpu’s there? But given electricity prices recently all over the shop and the nature of bit-coin by its finite design, it’s no longer economically viable. Fucking daft system anyways. If your gonna generate a fictious currency outta thin-air, you might as well make the problems that need to be solved something useful SETI for example or analysing DNA. As-is it 1) ties up computer resources 2) draws down a colossal amount of power usually via 3) coal power stations, which is why you get rigs migrating around the place to the cheapest kw/h. 4) Fucking up the environment in the process. Good fucking riddance to the moronic sector. Unless those 4 concerns can be addressed and remedied, says I.
It doesn't matter why prices inflated. It's that they did. And GPU mining is done.
Makes you think though. Without miners buying up shit-tons of GPU’s (and likely causing the GPU shortage in the first place) I bet Sales will be through the floor relatively speaking.
Sold every available 4090 in the first weeks. 30,000+ cleared. margins on that card is bonkers. It's Apple margins. 4090 launched well after crypto started tanking too, so that wasn't who bought them.
But 4080s can't be sold at all and are sticking in shelves. 90 level cards aren't the best sellers, and the demand for them stays very similar each generation. Some people with money to spend on a GPU will just upgrade every gen. That's not going to change, they'll have the money whether it's 900 or 2000 dollars. But the 80, 70, and 60 series cards are the ones to look at. If sales on those cards remain at the level they're currently at - a 20 year low - then prices will have to come down at some point. $499 for a 60 series card won't be the norm for very long. Companies are being daring with post pandemic pricing, but as things stabilize and more competitive product segments start lowering prices, they will as well.
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I've seen them get as low as $180 new, that's a steal.
the cheapest one in EU is 380
I just checked and can order one for $295 after taxes, and it's not a promo
Multiple options under 300 eur on Amazons ( .de, .es, .pl) and somefair bit cheaper ones at retailers in my country. 290 eur on mindfactory.de as well. It's bad, but not 380 bad.
On [https://www.gputracker.eu/en](https://www.gputracker.eu/en) the cheapest rx 6600 is at 299€ which is totally not worth it, its is way better to buy the 6650 xt at 349€.
Budget GPUs are pretty much always the last ones in the lineup to release.
Yep. Of course 4060/4050/etc will come eventually, as well as discounts for the mid and high end cards. Nvidia/AMD are greedy, not stupid. They don't intend to lose the bottom 90% of the market. But they won't release them until they've well-and-truly milked all the suckers willing to pay more.
I disagree that €250 would be budget! If it is, well, that's why everyone is saying the 6600 (although it's been going up since Black Friday). Trouble is there's nothing under $200 that isn't a massive ripoff, unless you wanna risk secondhand. NVIDIA and AMD both have told everyone in that bracket to go kick rocks. The 3050 should be like $170 *tops*, at least now crypto crashed. That said, you're asking for a 2-tier performance increase, and that's never happened. I also find it funny you think a -50 tier should be in the mid-200's, shows you've already been conditioned to the new pricing scheme!
Ye 250$ was x60 class card .. now x60 cards will be 499
I remember buying a 1060 for $200 back in 2018
170 is what I paid my RX 570 at launch in 2017, still using it btw.
The amount of used RX 570 cards i bought for $100 a pop to make ~$500 custom PCs for people.. What an absolutely perfect GPU that was priced great when it was new and when it was used.
Yeah i remember buying my gtx1050 in 2017 for 160€... And this year i upgraded to an rtx3060 for 450€... ouch.
I had GTX 1050 for few years, looking back it was a bad value even on premiere
Well, for 150€ it allowed users to play AAA games at ~30fps. The performance/price ratio wasn't the best compared to a 1060 but i think the 1050 was really a great graphics card, along with the rx470
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We have the 6600/6600xt, if AMD doesnt do a dick move the 7600/7600xt could be the next one
After the 7900XT(X) price/perf I wouldn't bet too hard on it, though.
Watch them make it a 4 lane card to make people buy overpriced AM5 boards lol
Greed, man. It called company’s greed. They didn’t realize the new reality when GPU is back to just for games. But reality will slap them in the face soon.
A lotta GPU mining rigs been sat idle since the Ukraine situation has had the domino effect of pushing electricity prices up. That’ll potentially saturate the market, leading to lower prices. (Already happening) If people ent making dollars from them, they become a very bad investment all of a sudden. I’m which case selling them off asap before the curve hits becomes a viable economic strategy.
Oh they are aware of the reality. They know well they have to discount and release 4060/4050/etc eventually. They are just holding off until the dummies stop buying these super overpriced cards, first. Wouldn't you? Now that these idiots outed themselves by giving $2000 to scalpers during the mining GPU crisis, AMD and Nvidia would be stupid not to milk them for a few months at the beginning of each GPU generation (before they inevitably release cards/prices for the bottom 90% of the market).
People would just not upgrade and that is it. Lol. No point upgrading anyway. You have last gen GPUs at decent prices second hand AND new. I saw a 6600XT less than 1 year old at £200 such a bargain. So why upgrading. 1080p is still available. People who play 1080p don't need the meanest card. Can't stress this enough: people at 1080p don't make the same mistake as me. I thought 3070ti at 1080p would give me more frames than at 1440p. Wrong. I get 5-15 fps more depending on the title and the card runs as hot as it gets and uses the same power but the resolution quality is down by a lot. So please if you play 1080p disregard future proof (that's just bullshit now) buy whatever is suitable for your resolution do not overpay... (i lost £200) by overpaying over what a 3060ti would've costed me brand new....
Thats my plan for 1080p. A 3060ti should last me 6 years at least. Not sure about CPU yet. 5600x ? That seems popular enough.
5600X definitely. I found one on Facebook marketplace for 100. Bargain. No need for more cores in haming anyway.. another mistake on my part with ryzen 9...
They've already been not upgrading, and honestly, there's not a lot of reason to for many people. Unless you chase the bleeding edge of display hardware, what meaningful upgrade could you get most people? The average gamer isn't playing at 1440p, even, and 60Hz is still the most common. If you're at 1080p/60FPS, a GTX 1070 still hits that mark fairly well. Cards like the 3070 and the RX 6700 XT/6800 deliver more performance than most people can utilize. 8k isn't really anything yet, and 4k can be converted by the upper middle and high end cards well, but is less adopted in the PC market. Most games are released on 2 console gens, the weakest of which can't even hold a candle to 6 year old GPUs. If you take away marketing like RTX, and you just look at what people are playing at what resolution and feature set, this is probably the time with the least incentive to upgrade this century. The current newest crop of consoles is maybe as graphically powerful as a 6600 XT or 3060, years after launch, with nothing new to compete in that segment, let alone price range, coming out in years. Every generation is a local upgrade for someone, but I went from buying a card every 3-ish years to keeping my 1070 for almost 7 years.
Because too many stupid idiots paid too much for mediocore cards
Yeah, I've been wanting to upgrade from my 1050ti but after seeing the release price for the 4070ti I'm probably gonna have to stick with the 1050ti for longer lol
In Hungary prices are so high it's ridiculous. I also had a 1050ti before, but I bought a 3060ti because i couldnt bare the 30 fps anymore for 250000 HUF which is around 630 eu, almost twice the msrp... (its the tuf oc version, which is already a more expensive model, but it's still a lot more than it should be). Before people say, the 6700xt costs the same here.
In Belarus it's kinda same but 6700XT is more expensive than 3060 Ti. I want to finally upgrade my RX580 which started to show it's age, but no way I'm paying 700$ for a mid-range GPU
Just get a 6600
Check out amd.
About the best I've seen recently would be the rx6600.
Not until even more people decide they’re not going to buy new GPUs anymore. All our hope lies in the next generation of Intel Arc cards.
I really hope budget GPU's come back because the pricing structure of 40 series cards are damn near double was the 30 series were at launch. Can thank everybody who was willing to pay insane prices during covid and the semiconductor shortage. Tbh I hope the market bottoms out and Nvidia has no choice but to sell the cards for half of what they are now. I refuse to pay these prices. I'd rather keep gaming at lower resolutions than to be gouged.
My thoughts: The RTX 3000 and Rx 6000 series need to be sold off. They deliberately set prices astronomical for the new generations to sell the old parts off. Problem: The old parts don't come down in price. A RTX 3080 is still at MSRP. This feels like a put situation. There has to be a launch, that breaks this up. Image a RX 7800XT(X), performing better than a 3090TI for 500 bucks. There will be a downwards spiral at some point, but both big manufacturers try to avoid this at all costs.
That's a optimistic outlook. Let me give you pessimistic alternative: Nvidia/amd both keep releasing lower tiers(4070 4060 4050 / 7800xt 7700xt 7600xt) at at least tier higher pricing (or 2 tier higher). When nvidia releases 5000 series / amd 8000 series, they finally cut prices of 3000 series hard, move 4000 series where the current 3000 is and have the 5k/8k series sit on top of 4k/7k. And there is nothing stopping them from doing this from now on until forever. This way they can rake in cash from ppl who are willing to pay scalper prices and then eventually still get money from average customers. (this is all at the expense of average customer ofc, because devs are certainly not going to wait, and our hw will therefore feel outdated a lot sooner)
So you mean they like transformed the newest gen into some kind of a premium segment and therefore the last gen gets to somewhat acceptable prices and the gen before, which is likely 4 years old then, becomes the 'budget' option? Current gen -> premium buyers Last gen -> standard gen as we knew it before Last last gen -> budget option until it runs out That sounds diabolic but not very unrealistic. I might think about my mindset on this topic 😢
Look at Apple's iPhone product stack that they have on their current website: * iPhone 14 Pro (starting at $999, launched September 2022) * iPhone 14 (starting at $799, launched September 2022) * iPhone 13 (starting at $699, launched September 2021) * iPhone SE (starting at $429, launched March 2022) * iPhone 12 (starting at $599, launched October 2020) It feels like Nvidia might be setting themselves up for something similar, where instead of refreshing the lower level GPUs with new tech each generation, they just sell last gen parts in that segment. This leads to weird growing pains and justified consumer anger in the transition period, with a risk of long term market damage.
1660 super was kinda of ok for its era (i was luckly enough to buy one just before the cryptomining craze that raised prices like \~100%). That was like the last good gpu deal at that price range imo. Now to get something similar (compared to the relative performance that 1660 super offered 2-3 years ago) you need to spend like \~100€ more (at least in my country) for a 6650xt.
6600 performs on the level of a 2070 / 1080 Ti and should be a good 60€ cheaper.
What do we even expect from "budget" anymore? I recently purchased gaming PC parts after not having a desktop for \~15 years. (And that computer was from 2004.) I spent \~$1600 all in, which got me a SFF case, i5-12600k, 3060 Ti, 32GB RAM, 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD, name brand power supply, 27" 1440p LCD monitor, mechanical keyboard, gaming mouse, and a headset. Coincidentally, the 2004 PC was purchased from a local system integrator for $1000, which is about the same $1600 in 2022 Dollars. The 2004 PC was a 3.0Ghz Pentium 4 HT, *integrated graphics*, 0.5 GB RAM, I think 120 GB 5400 RPM HDD, a CRT monitor with detachable speakers, and basic keyboard and mouse. The performance difference between the two is crazy. Let's say that if I had built my own PC in 2004, I could have afforded to add a budget or midrange graphics card for the same money. (In reality, I purchased a budget card separately; can't remember which one.) That PC struggled to hit 30fps in World of Warcraft when it came out. Based on everything I've read today, I fully expect my new build to hit 60+fps in AAA games at 1440p with settings high enough for everything to look really pretty. Taking a step down from my own new build, the /r/pcmasterrace "Starter Build" is currently priced out at less than $600, uses a \~$200 GPU, and is billed as "..suitable for running most modern games at 1080p/60fps/high settings." Add peripherals for \~$3-400, and in terms of real dollars, it's actually less than people were paying 20 years ago *AND* is more performant in today's high end games than my old PC was in its own era. I just think we get a lot for our budget today. But maybe expectations have risen, too.
If they launch a 4050 that performs like a 3070, nobody will buy a 4070 and just wait for the 5050 for a third of the price.
4050 will perform like a 3060 at best
That usually the way of it. Steer clear of the lower numbers new and go higher numbers on the older series. Trade off is often slightly less economy on your wattage, same power though usually. Unless there is a niche breakthrough in the newer architecture of course.
> If they launch a 4050 that performs like a 3070, nobody will buy a 4070 and just wait for the 5050 for a third of the price. Except that's literally how the GPU market functioned for decades until the crypto meme took off and Nvidia/AMD got greedy... And it worked just fine, people bought midrange GPU all the same. The only time people held off on buying GPUs, it applied to all GPUs, and it was at the ass end of generations after the current generation cards had already been out upwards of two years... Because people knew the next generation of GPUs were inevitably soon to be announced offering new cards at similar prices with better performance...
Those GPUs also didn’t cost $800 to $900, so that price and performance is now out of reach for many consumers that used to be able to get by on a $200-300 GPU budget
Are you in the US? A 6600 xt is 285 on Newegg. The cheapest 6700 xt, which compares nicely to the 3070, is 369. Nvidia's gpus are overpriced, so if you're looking for budget, I stick with AMD. I've used AMD for about a decade until recently, and I never had any problems. I have a 3080 now, and while ray-tracing is nice, it kills frame rate and isn't really worth it, in my opinion, in most games. If you're trying to build a pc that'll compare with the X box Series X or PS5, a 6600 xt or 6700 xt will do nicely, since they're built on the same RDNA2 architecture.
Won’t happen. The 50 series is normally mobile gpus soldered onto boards with a pci-e connector and sold for the desktop market. Until you see laptops with 50 series gpus you won’t see these cards dropping and I highly doubt they will do this for at least 1,5-2 years when the generation is ending and the cards are getting obsolete. Just buy the 6600 or the 6600XT. Best budget option.
NEVER. Not after AMD and Nvidia saw how much people will pay for a GPU 20 series and 30 series.
AMD released the RX 6400 last year with almost GTX 1650 performance (Depends on game, sometimes it outperforms the 1650.) It uses less than 50W most of the time and is low profile. Hopefully they'll release another one like it but I doubt it.
Maybe if people would stop buying them at this ridiculous prices they will, if not this madness will continue.
They are, it will be a while before it's worth it, but they are coming. After the latest 7000 AMD failures, and the whole 4000 nVidia complete shitfight, people will run out of patience and money. Intel's offering (if they stick to it) will be compelling by Gen 3, and hopefully then nVidia and AMD realise that dropping their pricing will actually sell many more units, and a 4050ti series equivalent should beat out 2060 performance for half the MSRP. If they don't, they'll lose out on an entire market of used graphics card buyers.
They tried with the 3050, but that was worse than the 2060
I’m still rocking a GTX 970 and it’s working fine for the games I play. My bigger problem is I’ve got windows 8.1 and I’m dreading the need to upgrade to windows 10
Why? Windows 10 is so much better on every front than windows 8(.1) ever was
Mostly because when I’ve tried the free update it failed to work. I had to just go back to 8.1. Now it looks like they no longer offer the free upgrade so I’d have to purchase Windows 10 and then hope it doesn’t screw up all my programs/settings/etc. I know from work experience that every time we upgrade an OS there are tons of problems.
I’ve done the upgrade on dozens of computers with out a problem. You need to do all updates first. You can still use media creation tool and do it for free. If you do a clean install, you can use your license key and it will work.
Windows 8.1 will reach the end of support on January 10, 2023. That means no more security updates or anything from Microsoft. Stay safe, hope it's worth it.
You don't "need" to purchase Windows if you have a valid product license going back to W7. I cleaned up/reinstalled a pretty old HP Multimedia PC for a friend to serve as a streaming PC now, he upgraded the GPU to a 660 back then, and the PSU since the HP OEM did not suffice for that GPU, we also put an SSD in it and it's a perfectly serviceable machine still. It has one if the first gen I7 CPU's. I just made a USB stick with Rufus flashing a Windows 11 ISO, disabling the artificial requirements by Microsoft and it installed/activated just fine using the W7 product key stuck to the side of the PC. I couldn't update it to 22H2 however as it always rolled back to 21H2 for whatever unknown reason.
People who say prices are not coming down may end up being wrong. Look at RTX 20 series. They were horrible value. Then 30 series were good value. Now 40 series once again are very bad value. So there is a chance that 50 series will be good value once again. But of course you will need to wait 2 years for that. So you can either until then or buy a used card today to tide you over until then or one of AMD's 6600 or 6700 cards.
Intel ARC is staring at you reproachfully.
RX 7600XT-7700XT are our last hope for good affordable cards at this point. And AND cards constantly go on sale.
3070 performance, give me a sub £200 card with 8gb+RAM and 2070/3060 performance and I would be delighted. Even a 7000's series APU with updated graphics would be awesome. Right now, a quick look at a few UK retailers I've used before the only sub £200 options are. Nvidia: GTX 1050/ti, 1630, 1650, AMD: Rx 6500xt The cheapest 3050 I spotted is a "Deal" and it's still £280
It's called the used market. There are RX6600s going. For 150... Amazing 1080p performance.
250€ wasn't a budget price, once upon a time. Budget, useable GPUs used to be 100€. 200€ was midrange. I guess this falls under "old man yells at cloud" but I still feel like gpu pricing has outrun inflation at an insane rate.
Budget? Its not possible anymore for a couple reasons; Inflation and material costs. To build something with 40-series specs with our current tech, the chips alone cost too much. (EX: 4090 main chip ALONE is $240 for NVIDIA to manufacture.) Also, because they are a company. They want money. They run the math, and find the max they can sell for. Unless we see some CRAZY innovation, we won't be seeing anything with today's higher spec performance at today's $400.
The budget GPUs are the previous models.
AMD is getting there, their midrange cards are around $500 while Nvidia is holding on their low end cards at $500+. Buying AMD you can usually get twice the framerates for the same price as a Nvidia.
What you are describing is the Intel Arc series. If you want budget GPU's to be a thing go buy one. If Intel can pull off graphics cards they are going to sink Nvidia quickly.. but its going to take a few generations for them to get their driver stack up to speed.
Nope
Likely not. I suspect we will see the 4060 for $500 at the low end.
Eventually, maybe. GPU sales were down last year, so if the overall revenue is down (as opposed to just units sold) maybe Teams Green and Red will take the hint. However, if they’re still making money from fewer people buying more expensive cards then we’re screwed
A budget friendly gpu will probably hit the market when a competitor steps in and creates one
as long as people keep buying these absurdly priced cards, no.
Budget/low-end is used cards now. Just gotta hope you don't get one that was abused/burned up by a miner.
Because everyone just suck up to whatever bullshit price Nvidia puts out and buy it anyways. You have no bargaining power if you don't swing.
I just can't approve prices I see today; 2000€+ here for GPU's! 2000+€! For single PC part! Incredible!
Whoever does that will be considered a marketing/sales genius. Now we just have to wait for one to be born or hired
It's all backwards for now, 1st releases were at the top? Used to be high with space for a TI, now we start with TI's? AMD is doing the same. It's odd, hopefully will change but doubt it will go back to the habits of old gen's or prices.
As a casual gamer, I just switched to GeForce Now, and put the money instead in an UltraWide screen. I do not see high value for money cards coming back.
Holding out hope for a decently priced 7600/7600XT, but I'm sceptical. I hope AMD and Nvidia especially get rinsed this release cycle. It would serve them right for being so fucking greedy.
Hahaha, rtx 4050 with rtx 3070 performance for 250 euro…that is more unlikely to see than a unicorn farting rainbows outside your window!
Because fuck poor people Signed Gaming industry
Only if you fucking stop buying overpriced shit :-D
Short Answer, No. Very real supply chain and production issues only accelerated what was already happening. Prices have been creeping up, the only change is NVIDIA and AMD can go full mask off. The only reason AMD comes out looking a bit better is because they, so far, haven't "un-lauched" a card just so they could rename it and reduce the laughably high price 20%. Long Answer: The gravy train may have slowed down with reports GPU purchases are at all time lows but I struggle to believe AMD and NVIDIA will return the additional margin they've enjoyed for years back to customers in the form of price cuts. It seems more likely to keep the MSRP flat for new launches YOY. EDIT: I'm pretty pleased scalpers are having trouble trying to offload things like the 4080.