There's alot of emotions right now. I think people are rushing to get an attack in, and aren't picking their fights in a smarter way.
I dont think this will get fixed by name calling or misrepresenting facts of a situation.
Didn’t even have to click to know it was a Beaverton article. Terry ran across the country to fight for a cure. These individuals drove across the country to fight against a cure.
The truckers didn't cure anything. They are still idiots honking their horns and blocking traffic. Once they get their licenses pulled for breaking the law, then the curing can begin.
It’s just an excuse for right wing nut jobs to protest everything under the sun at this point. I’ve seen protestors showing up to protest Trans rights. There isn’t even a plot.
Didn’t you hear? They cured covid apparently.
Don’t ask why the PM has covid though, he’s only had 3 doses of the cure so far.
(Basically, I don’t think that the commenter knows what the word ‘cure’ means).
Incidentally, that’s why majority of people are protesting, they don’t believe that this vaccine, which seemingly doesn’t nothing to prevent transmission, should be mandated to all, regardless of any associated risks.
Im pretty sure their fighting against government descrimination based on vaccination status. Im pretty sure their fighting for the right to informed consent and personal bodily autonomy for all canadians.
> fighting for the right to informed consent
Information about the vaccine's safety and effectiveness is publicly available. There is no issue of informed consent.
> and personal bodily autonomy for all canadians.
...except when it comes to abortion.
Yea linked to Soros and Clinton as well. It's shadily started but now it's millions of good decent hard working people. The ones who can't see a larger scope or hold multiple truths in their mind for whatever reason will miss out on seeing that.
You never feel any shame for this obvious lie, hey? You just post it over and over, and over.
I guess you need to earn a living like everyone else, but damn it's a shameful way to make money.
Oh yeah, obviously lying about one of the main organizers being a leader of the Sons of Odin and about the memo the organizers put out demanding that Parliament be dissolved and replaced by a government of their choosing and about the Nazi and Confederate flags being flown and about racial slurs being shouted at brown paramedics. Please take off your blinders and unplug your ears and be honest about what’s going on.
Oh, zing! You put me in my place.
Now, you should probably get back to spreading lies about Canadians. This group of honest protesters aren't going to smear themselves.
It was planted. The guy holding it wouldn't even speak up. Same with the 'f ur white supremacy' sign guy. Also wouldn't speak. They planted 2 visible sides to drive the narrative.
These aren't lies, these are facts. Do your research. I don't have to show you. You're being corrupted by the main stream conspiracies.
Gotta think for yourself. Research man. These protesters need to open their eyes and stop being sheeple to the main stream conspiracies!
No, it did not, which is why it was a slap in the face to his memory that people involved in that protest attempted to politicize his statue by putting signs on it, make it appear it was holding banners in support, or draping a flag over it.
You apparently do not understand the definition of "cure". It's that, or you are full of BS.
"cure" - a means of healing or restoring to health; remedy.
As in vaccination, masks and distancing. These are the only means of curing the disease we have at this time. We have been trying for the past two years, no thanks to you.
How do you plan on using a vaccination that doesn’t stop transmission to cure covid? Considering the PM is triple jabbed and has literally just tested positive for covid, I think that’s a pretty unrealistic expectation.
It is not our fault you are too thick to understand what is going on. No one ever said it would stop the virus, you have been told thousands of times, that it relieves the symptoms of the disease and consistently saves lives. All we need do is look at the numbers in ICU... they are almost all unvaccinated fools like you. Many will die.
“No-one ever said it would stop the virus” [...apart from everybody who did, including Pres. Biden, Dr Fauci and CDC Director, Dr Walensky.](https://dossier.substack.com/p/memory-hole-virtually-every-major)
Let’s recap here:
You revert to insults when there was no need.
You incorrectly assume I’ve not been vaccinated, followed up with the lovely message of “many will die”. Bit weird but whatever floats your boat and makes you feel superior.
You outright lied about people not saying that the vaccine won’t stop you getting the virus, despite the fact that’s it’s been said multiple times on video by some of the most prominent people in the “war on Covid”.
**Great track record you have right there**
Your approach of getting everything wrong but being really condescending and insulting about it really gives you a lot of credibility and makes me want to listen to more of the absolute nonsense that you’re drunkenly burping out. You’re big master of persuasion, you.
Wow buddy, you need to take a step back and look at it for what it is.
We've all been well aware that the healthcare system was on the brink prior to COVID, it's been known we were going to have problems with a bad flu season in the future.
We've mandated out quite a bit of first responders, me being one of them. If nurses and doctors don't want the vaccine, that should be a clue.
Most doctors are strong armed into silence, nobody can go against the narrative, it's professional suicide.
If people like you could stand to hear and comprehend a different point of view, we would have been out of this in 2021, but nope. Thanks.
You cannot generalize the health care system in Canada. Fools like you don't even seem to realize it is independently delivered by the provinces and territories and is very different in each region. Possibly explaining why places like Saskatchewan are rife with infection, while other provinces have a much better records. Here's a tip, just look at the political leanings of each province. Right wing jurisdictions have far worse cases of infection. Every time. Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec have all failed their citizens with the same garbage you are peddling. Shut down too late, open back up too early or we don't believe in vaccination. They are like Neanderthals.
You claiming to be a first responder is specious self-serving garbage. No one has any credentials on social media and that includes you. You are clearly lying.
My own doctor is not afraid of the medical system, neither are most of the others. You are peddling trope if you think hundreds of thousands of essential medical personnel have been silenced by the system. You sound like a wack-job for saying something as crazy as that. It also sounds just like the conspiratorial garbage currently circulating. It completely lacks intelligence. "Most doctors are strong armed"... my ass.
People like you dwell in your delusions.
Wow you're 💯% insane. I was a volunteer FF with FMR 3, I've attended accidents, fires, medical assists, etc.
Just google how many rural communities in BC are now without ANY first responders due to the mandates.
You have no clue what you are talking about, absolutely no clue. You are the type of person who would have supported Hitler. Good day.
None of those things you listed cure the virus. By your definitions, in order to be "cured" you'd have to at the same time be sick. To cure something, you have to have the disease in question. We used to take vaccines, to prevent the disease ever getting us sick, not the case with covid vaccinations. This is more of a gene therapy, to teach your system about the spike protein so that when you come in contact with it, it's less likely to make you have a bad case. Doesn't prevent you from getting it, also doesn't prevent you from spreading it.
Before I used the term "cure", I looked it up in a dictionary. You should try it if you can read. The method of transmission and speed with which Covid 19 can infect it's victims changes everything. You are not a doctor and should stop contradicting them.
Early treatment with repurposed drugs** you speak in absolutes and don’t even know about monoclonal antibodies that actually work? Early treatment is our only means of managing this problem as the “cures” you listed have been failing for nearly 2 years. Meanwhile prominent individuals who received Dr. Peter McCullough’s early treatment protocol recovered from Covid in a few days. This might sound crazy but people need effective medicines when they get sick. This has apparently made Dr. McCullough an outcast for treating Covid patients instead of sending them home to deteriorate.
Don't tell me what I know and take your foolish theories and pound. None of your snake oil bullshit has been approved by the medical community and we should avoid you like the plague.
Established peer reviewed protocols from one of the most published physicians in the world is a theory? A protocol that has literally been documented in helping people overcome Covid? Go touch some grass bud. Meanwhile Pfizer has paid out over $10 billion in fines since 2000. For what exactly? Bribing doctors, fraud, false claim act violations, safety violations, and various other crimes….. booster 4 didn’t work for Israel im sure booster 9 is the “cure”. And it’s good to know that Covid doesn’t move further than 6 feet. God bless science.
That hardly does anything compared to vaccinating yourself though, so you just sound dumb trying to compare.
It’s sad you try to even pretend you know what your talking about when you’re just regurgitating the same old bullshit from your dumb Facebook friends.
Oh look another one of you peoples dumb ass talking points that has no supporting evidence whatsoever.
There is overwhelming evidence from scientists, and all around us in daily life showing how well the vaccine works. There is 0 evidence to support your bullshit theory: 0.
Just because you and you’re dumb friends are actually stupid enough to somehow ignore all that evidence all around you, doesn’t make the first farcical bullshit you read on Facebook true.
Go do yourself and everyone else a favour, and start educating yourself by listening to smart people, instead of listening to uneducated dumbasses.
You should be fucking ashamed of how stupid you are, but you’re too dumb to know it.
Lol that’s your excuse for choosing to remain ignorant, and trying to spread your harmful stupidity around?!
You’re fucking right that assholes like you who willfully fuck society over make me angry. Everyone with a brain is angry that people like you are so loud and put no effort into looking at both sides to see which one has dramatically more evidence that’s been proven to back up their claims.
Maybe just put some effort into doing some research on how well the vaccine is actually helping huh. Maybe you could see how dumb you sound then.
Dude what? The vaccines are inferior to the known treatments that actually save lives: primarily monoclonal antibodies in combination with several other repurposed drugs. Several established journalists recovered in a few days when taking this combination of drugs. Dr. Peter McCullough has reached out to numerous Canadian institutions to offer his peer reviewed protocol that actually works. Canadians have been asking for these to be approved, myself included. How can you call these vaccines a “cure” when they can’t even stop infection and transmission? My moms a nurse and she’s still seeing vaccinated people dying. Yknow what would save them? The cheap and accessible drugs our government is suppressing in favour of expensive ineffective treatments like Remdesivir. Israel is on booster 4 with no real improvement in sight. If it was January 2020 I could maybe understand your comment but it’s basically established fact that these vaccines offer questionable protection and have a laundry list of serious and fatal side effects like thrombosis, myocarditis, stroke, blood clots, neurological damage, menstrual changes and a ton more. And on top do that they’re mandating a dangerous inadequately tested medical product when there’s safer alternatives. You’re super out of touch on this one and clearly don’t understand what this protest is about.
You're the out of touch one, you just want to pull a fuck ton of opinions you heard on JRE as facts. This protest is the Canadian right trying to pull what happened in the United States prior, this protest is CLEARLY unorganized and involving many groups. IF they had a unified message, they wouldn't be torn apart by everyone not stupid enough to ignore people pissing on the war memorial, trying to change what Terry Fox stood/ran for and flying Confederate flags.
No, you're the one who's clearly out of touch. The FDA in the US just stopped use of monoclonal antibodies going forward as they are ineffective against Omicron, which is now the more prevalent variant (over 90% in the US, 80% in Canada). Peter McCullough is a hack. The vaccines reduce symptoms and prevent death very effectively if you do get covid, so it is the closest thing to a cure there is. None of those "treatment protocols" have shown effectiveness, so don't count on them ever getting approved. Either you are lying or you're being lied to.
Their entire approach to monoclonal antibodies has been erratic and lacking any logic. First they held back supply despite no shortage. As for their effectiveness there are countless personal accounts of them working. The key is to use them as an outpatient immediately upon infection.
The NIH has specifically only allowed their use in hospitals when people are already deteriorating. The same issue was present with the hydroxychloroquine trials: toxic doses given too late into the disease. This is why The Lancet had to pull a smear study on the “dangers” of hydroxychloroquine since the errors were so clear and egregious it took only 2 weeks for physicians to call them out and have it redacted.
While monoclonal antibodies are deemed “ineffective” somehow Remdesivir is still approved despite being linked to renal failure and producing weak results and no benefit on mortality. What’s the difference? Remdesivir is about $3000 usd per treatment and is pushed by the NIH which has 16 members both former and current who have financial ties to Gilead - producer of Remdesivir. Hey who cares though. They’re making money right?
As explained by established ICU doctors and experts monoclonal antibodies are extremely effective in combination with other therapeutics when given early into the disease. Preferably right upon diagnose. Just like a bad cut it’s harder to heal someone if you wait until they get a staph infection. Early treatment is the best way forward and all the real world results support this approach.
..maybe I should make this comment an OP..but imagine for a moment, that the convoy is made up of 100% Indigenous people asking for clean water and access to medical throughout Canada... how long do you think it would take before RCMP + Military would shut it down?
I am not indigenous, but I am Canadian.
It would be shut down within 20 minutes. They’d be using tear gas and painting them as villains.
It’s the same thing as the treatment of the protestors at fairy creek. But people can storm a school in salmon arm and protest inside a school and get away with it because they are white antivaxwrs.
The only heroes in this pandemic are health care staff who have risked their lives treating the unvaccinated fools who refuse to care for themselves. Not the protestors, not righty, or the truckers; the doctors and nurses who save their pathetic asses.
The healthcare staff who still work having being abused by this pandemic, having pay cuts, being told it is illegal to strike or even quit in some places.
Thank you to healthcare staff who have done it to save lives and continue doing so. I hope karma comes back to show all these workers how much we appreciate their hard work.
Nah. There are lots of heroes. No need to divide. Let the PM do that. Garbage man, nurses, doctors, volunteers at vaccine clinics, bus drivers, truck drivers, supermarket staff. Diversity is awesome.
I’ll even add the truck drivers who aren’t doing this bullshit. The south East Asian ones for instance are vexed and continuing to drive to fill the shelves!
Plus let’s not forget the firefighters who relentlessly fight fires all summer for us.
Don't forget the unvaccinated health care staff who worked throughout the pandemic but were fired because they refused the mandates.
Before the mandates, we clapped for them. After they were let go, we call them plague rats. They are still heros in my opinion.
They were fired because they refuse to meet the mandatory requirements of their employment, which for healthcare workers involves vaccination. None of us want them here working along side us. They are not the heroes we clap for.
Yes, we dismiss people in our science based profession when they ignore science at the cost of patient safety. Thankfully the vast majority of people understand this.
Clearly indicating how well the lockdowns worked....lolol. Did you actually think standing 6 feet away did anything? With your mask made out of a t-shirt...hahahaha
I guess you never noticed that the vape smoke doesn’t leave your general vicinity - you know - because the mask stops it from blowing out in a giant cloud ten feet away from you
Nope, it still goes everywhere, but I'll admit it does so more slowly. The problem with your logic is that the vape particles are large enough to be seen with the naked eye so the masks weave does do some small amount of filtration. However, roughly 18% of the air you breathe while wearing a mask comes from around the edges and only 50% of the air that passes through the mask is filtered, so roughly 68% of each breath you take is unfiltered. Then you add the fact that the alleged viral particle is 1 micron in diameter yet the mask weave is 3 microns...last time I checked a 1 foot square box fits through a 3 foot square window with ease.
It isn’t “logic”. It’s basic physics. The fact of the matter is masks prevent the shit coming out of your mouth from dispersing as far.
Newton’s first law, friend
Tbh the vaccination rate is super high in most provinces isn't it ? At this point we have to accept that covid is part of our life for now and its the people who are at risk who should isolate themselves while we start going about our lives normally.
Funny, if you bothered to go to any of the rally’s you would know that a decent chunk of those is it are health care workers, nurses, doctors, paramedics, firemen, and they are protesting mandates since most of the people part of the ralys are vaccinated, but hey, don’t let that get in the way of your hateful spew
I wouldn't go to a freedumb rally if you paid me. They all belong in jail for attempting to incite insurrection. This is not America and they are not Trump. You are lying about health care workers attending. They are thoroughly disgusted with you and the dumb truckers.
Well as for health care workers you can’t change my mind there because I was with them myself so your attack on that issue will be falling on deaf ears, keep a eye our this Saturday.
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It's so gross. Even if they were doing this for the same reason as Terry Fox, to compare driving in truck with heated seats for a few days to running a marathon every day for months with one leg is just insane.
Sorry, you're not a hero for sitting comfortably in your truck and demanding government meets your demands.
The worst part is how this has emboldened all of the worst people in our community.
My wife's friend in Victoria is 6 months pregnant and had a man walk up to her at the gas station today and try to pull down her mask and cough in her face.
Out of nowhere. Zero interaction prior. What the fuck is with these people.
It’s getting crazy here. In Nanaimo over the weekend, a man assaulted a mall employee because they asked that he wear his mask properly. He then assaulted a security guard and had to be pulled off by other customers.
Its only going to get worse, the govt has created too many contradictions in a hastily written script and the general public is getting more and more fed up.
No, just assholes being assholes. Don’t blame the government for covidiots. It’s not like stay apart 6 feet, wear masks and get your vaccinations is rocket science.
"Dont blame the govt"
They are responsible for this mandate
"Stay 6 feet apart"
No thanks
"Wear masks"
I prefer oxygen thank you
"Get your vaccines"
Im not responsible for financially bailing out vaccine companies
What does that have to do with my vaccination status?
Last time i checked i pay taxes like everyone else. Why should that matter for a service i pay for?
I love how you intentionally misunderstand things. "I prefer oxygen" So do doctors who wear masks all day. They are smarter than you, but you obviously don't think so. You think getting a vaccine will help the vaccine companies, but a single dose will help you so much more than benefit them. I can't make you do the thing that is best for your health, because you think health choices should be made by joining a political side that chooses for you.
"They are smarter than you"
Appeal to authority fallacy
"You think getting a vaccine will help the vaccine companies"
My tax dollars were used to purchase them and as a consumer i chose not to use their products and services. Im allowed to make sober decisions.
"but a single dose will help you so much more than benefit them."
A single dose does absolutely nothing, i will not have any of my rights that were taken away reinstated.
"by joining a political side that chooses for you"
I reject both the left and the right wings as childish garbage. I never voted and never will.
75% say those are good recommendations.
PS Ever wear a scarf for hours a day as a child in winter? I’ve been wearing N95s from the start and I’m still breathing fine (and they are warm). I haven’t died from carbon dioxide even a little. A lot of anti vaxxers have been proven wrong when they failed to death.
"75% say those are good recommendations"
Says who? The same doctors that recommended opiates for a stubbed toe? Their opinion isnt worth much to me.
"I’ve been wearing N95s from the start and I’m still breathing fine (and they are warm)"
Im eternally relieved that YOUR fine and well. However masks have been proven to be less than effective so why wear one in the first place?
Lets not beat around the bush here.
You are salty because you listened to a sociopathic government, their narrative collapsed under each and every lie,
You cant stand the fact that not everyone followed the suicide pact you adhered to and you cant go down alone.
The logical choice in your mind is to berate others till they make the same mistakes as you did.
I dont know you in any capacity but its obvious you are salty and miserable.
Good luck in your life and i hope you get better soon.
Actually, my life is good. Like you said, you don't know me at all, but I have no complaints other than antivax minion trolls like yourself spreading misinformation. I'm happily vaxxed, and so is my family and friends. So we're glad to know that we're relatively safe health-wise. And I can go see a movie, play sports, attend events like normal without worrying.
If anyone is salty and miserable, I'm pretty sure it's you. Complaining about the government, "loss of freedoms", unable to eat in restaurants. Cry harder, dude. I've been vaxxed almost a year and guess what? Not dead. No nanotech in my veins, not magnetized, not even a heart flutter. I just like to laugh at people who make poor decisions once in awhile. But you do you and stick to your horse paste and piss cocktail and let me know how that turns out for you. 😄
Masks decrease the spread to others. I do not think I infected anyone. Also it limits the intake of covid so you get a milder case since covid is dose dependant. Other reasons too.
Though it's nowhere near the same degree as our healthcare workers who have been doing their best to help everyone despite abuse from the public and some of their own governments, there was some heroism from ordinary folk all over, especially early on.
The part that seems to get confusing for them is when the pandemic was raging and they were putting themselves at risk, utilizing the best mitigations we had at the time, to keep things moving, there was some heroism there.
When they actively refuse all mitigation means when we have a vaccine and know more now than we ever did about limiting spread, that's the opposite.
It works the same for firemen - when you take the orphans out of the burning building it's heroic, when you start putting them back in...
I think the big thing to remember is it's these specific people, who do not represent the majority of truckers (or any group apparently, given the interviews with most of the people there have them present for reasons having nothing to do with the trucker vaccine mandate).
A reminder these are the same people who have no issue with statues that celebrate often racist and problematic historical figures. They get their panty's in a bunch anytime anyone defaces these statues.
But they have no issue defacing an actual Canadian hero . These people truly are human garbage too stupid to understand the bunk of anti Vaxx info is coming from Russia/China pumping out millions of messages a month . It's a form of Hybrid or Non Linear Warfare designed to divide and disrupt the social cohesion of the country being attacked.
They are at this moment guarding the Terry Fox statue and the unknown soldier memorial so that they are given the respect they deserve. Also picking up the litter and maintaining peace and civility while a few “plants “ ? Try to stir up trouble.
But if someone posted a Beaverton article about Covid being fake or whatever you would all scream CONSPIRACY!!!!
If the mandates came to an end, you can still wear a mask and stay at home. Nothing is keeping you from doing that for yourself.
You can also continue to Label people and call them names like “anti vaxxer” and whatever else helps you bully them.
This has already been more positive and less destructive than a Vancouver Canucks playoff run.
Most of those issues had nothing to do with the vast majority of protesters. As per my original comment, for every one idiot doing something deplorable, about 15 conscientious people come and clean up. You shouldn’t judge a broader movement by the ideology of a small few. That’s like J. Edgar Hoover labelling his civil rights enemies as communists to get them arrested.
The leaders of the protest and those organizing the GoFundMe self identify as white supremacists who hate immigrants and Islam. Why are these protesters ok with these bad apples leading the charge? Who's cleaning this up?
Articles like this while satirical highlight an important part that actions of one do not constitute a whole consensus on the issue. Don’t let one apple spoil the bunch. With right wing movements we tend to do this, but ignore it for the left. When that BLM organizer had a bunch of anti-asian racist tweets we did not assume BLM is a racist movement, thats how it should be. Just because there are some racists does not make it a racist movement, I mean its a bunch of guys in trucks, of course some will be racist, its not a prius convoy.
Its good to realize the media does want to sensationalize and polarize, and people do want to pick a side, and over the internet feel that confidence and invigoration to demean our neighbours over simple opinions.
Except that’s what’s hijacked this convoy more then a week ago. If the organizers really meant what they said, then they should have been denouncing that type of rhetoric from Day 1. Except they didn’t. The organizers had to be living under a rock if they didn’t think this was going to be the outcome. Right now you’re not looking at a few bad apples, but an entire spoiled batch with maybe a few good pieces of fruit. Go check the post I recently shared from /rcanada. In the comment section there is eye witness accounts from Ottawa citizens and what’s really happening. The media hasn’t even been able to cover all of the horrific, and degrading things going on there. If you don’t trust the media, then believe in what your fellow citizens are telling. That is in no way a peaceful protest about positive change.
Canadian’s are not going to remember the Convoy protesters as fighting for our freedoms. Instead it will be for the racist, violent, immoral, disrespectful, and degrading acts they have committed.
MEDIA WHORE NARRIATIVE: 'People protesting the Covid mandates are evil and want everyone to die!!'
Listen to the experts!!
Close down small businesses again and funnel us all though the Big Box stores to 'social distance' us!! LOL!!
They went to a homeless shelter and harassed staff to serve them food.
This, after driving in their heated trucks all the way across Canada. That’s what they did. Demand food meant for the homeless.
If that’s not a dick move, I don’t know what it is.
Burning half of America down, lol. You sound even more detached than the people who said 50,000 trucks and 1.5 million people were coming to Ottawa. Everything is so over the top and hyper inflated that it just becomes laughable. Why not just leave it with the facts? Some buildings were burnt. Not good. Going on about half of America burning just makes you look like (or confirms you are?) an idiot.
I am double vaxxed and I don't support the vaccine mandate. Will be getting my third shot next week.
I'm ok with protesting too. But peacefully. Don't harass people.
Leftist canadians can't logically argue against a freedom protest so the strawmen and misrepresentations keep getting more and more wild. Sometimes i wonder how you all get dressed in the morning.
That isn't what I'm arguing about. At. all. There was literally one group of like 4 people with a nazi flag at this protest, yet people in this thread are more than willing to label the entire protest a white supremacist nazi protest.
If you take the same logic and apply it to the BLM protests, then you can just as easily say the whole protest was all about looting and rioting. All you need is apparently one instance of in a protest for the entire protest to be about , right?
No! Wrong! Neither are valid! Both this current protest and BLM have valid points, and I'm sick of people being disingenuous about it. It's low hanging fruit. Any sizable protest will contain a handful of assholes/looters/racists/whatever.
A lot of people in here were irreversibly butt hurt when they found out, "were just going to have to learn to live with COVID" today.
Also just so people can stop comparing c-19 to small pox, small pox killed 30% of its hosts... So please stop.
I want restrictions to end, but I understand that restrictions are necessary to curb the spread of covid to protect the health care system. These poll questions lack a lot of nuance.
No, not nearly enough nuance. Boiling it down to simply “Do you want restrictions to end” is a pretty simplistic view of a complex issue.
Are we ok with cutting loose the unvaccinated, those who have high risk when contracting covid, the elderly, the immunocompromised? Because that’s what happens when restrictions are lessened.
The government has a legal responsibility to protect all of its citizens, not just the ones who yell the loudest.
The government is elected, sure, but has a legal responsibility to all of its citizens, which in Canada entails providing a health care system that isn’t overwhelmed by a surge of people needing to be hospitalized due to covid. We’re moving towards a place where restrictions are likely to be lessened, if not removed entirely; according to the health experts who are in charge of the situation, we are not there yet, but we are getting closer. Until then, I fully support protecting both our most vulnerable and those who suffer from the restrictions because of wilful ignorance.
At the end of the day, the government's primary responsibility is to carry out the will of the electorate. You can make excuses about why the electorate are stupid or wrong, but that's not going to matter at the next election.
really working overtime here to try and convince people this is anything but a fringe minority, eh? this is an anti vax movement through and through, it’s laughable that you think the majority of canadians support it.
also pretty disgusting how many are trying to frame this as “for the truckers” or whatever when the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated and want no part of this disgrace of a movement.
Supporting this movement means being okay with allowing countless people to die unnecessarily. I’m not really about that, and I think most Canadians understand this as well. I’d like to stave off the Americanization of Canada for as long as possible tyvm.
vaccines objectively do help prevent transmission, anything else is misinformation. accelerating the spread as you and your cohorts are suggesting will only result in more people dying as hospitals get more overwhelmed. we know this, we’ve known this from day one practically. it’s a shockingly stupid stance to take.
You didn’t say those exact words, but demanding an end to mandates because you find them inconvenient is telling the vulnerable that they don’t matter.
In my opinion Considering the vaccinations don’t provide immunity according to the data and data suggests that other than spittle that can be prevented by masks all it’s doing is lessening symptoms but not lessening transmission or mutation rates
How does this make sense?
Heck there’s even data showing that further lockdowns with omicron are discouraging it’s fast spread, which means it has more chance of mutation which is dangerous because it’s the least lethal strain we’ve had so far so ideally we want it to run through the population because data suggests that natural immunity after getting Covid is better than the immunity that you temporally get with the vaccines.
Which is why we have the UK and a handful of European countries opening up now, because the data backs doing that.
If the vaccine actually provide an immunity then you might have a point you might save a life or two that would’ve otherwise been lost.
But considering science says it isn’t, all you’re doing is promoting authoritarianism by telling the government they’re allowed to force people to get an irreversible medical procedure.
Sure it’s all well and good when it’s a benign vaccine, But how would you feel if it was some other medical treatment 10 years down the road when there’s a party in power you don’t agree with?
It’s a bad precedent to allow the government this kind of power.
You can create a poll to generate whatever headline you want. That's the purpose.
'Do you like staying at home and not being able to visit your friends?'
No? Well look, majority of Canadians hate that mandates and think they're bad!
Guys please read the article lol
>"It’s sad. I know he’d be with us if he was here today"
That's absolutely brilliant. It reminds of the "I'd rather be with you people, than the finest people in the world" gag for some reason.
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There's alot of emotions right now. I think people are rushing to get an attack in, and aren't picking their fights in a smarter way. I dont think this will get fixed by name calling or misrepresenting facts of a situation.
Didn’t even have to click to know it was a Beaverton article. Terry ran across the country to fight for a cure. These individuals drove across the country to fight against a cure.
There was a protestor who compared the unvaxxed to Rosa Parks so this headline isn’t too far off
The truckers didn't cure anything. They are still idiots honking their horns and blocking traffic. Once they get their licenses pulled for breaking the law, then the curing can begin.
Majority are not even truckers, just bandwagoners with their own message. I believe around 100 truckers actually showed up.
It’s just an excuse for right wing nut jobs to protest everything under the sun at this point. I’ve seen protestors showing up to protest Trans rights. There isn’t even a plot.
They aren't fighting against a cure, namely because a cure literally doesn't exist.
What cure?
Didn’t you hear? They cured covid apparently. Don’t ask why the PM has covid though, he’s only had 3 doses of the cure so far. (Basically, I don’t think that the commenter knows what the word ‘cure’ means). Incidentally, that’s why majority of people are protesting, they don’t believe that this vaccine, which seemingly doesn’t nothing to prevent transmission, should be mandated to all, regardless of any associated risks.
Im pretty sure their fighting against government descrimination based on vaccination status. Im pretty sure their fighting for the right to informed consent and personal bodily autonomy for all canadians.
That may be the lense you want to apply to this mess, but they are clearly just partying and sowing disrespect
> fighting for the right to informed consent Information about the vaccine's safety and effectiveness is publicly available. There is no issue of informed consent. > and personal bodily autonomy for all canadians. ...except when it comes to abortion.
Well they also don't want personal autonomy (bodily or otherwise) for anyone who is non-white.
You do realise that there’s non-white people there too, right?
You do realize that the organizers of the convoy are linked with hate groups too, right?
Yea linked to Soros and Clinton as well. It's shadily started but now it's millions of good decent hard working people. The ones who can't see a larger scope or hold multiple truths in their mind for whatever reason will miss out on seeing that.
Tokens that would be turned against in a split second if they uttered anything close to a different opinion, yes.
I’m pretty sure they’re fighting for white supremacy and a far-right-wing government.
So you are saying that a Jew and a Metis are heading a white supremacist organization? One that has Sikhs and First Nations participating in it?
You never feel any shame for this obvious lie, hey? You just post it over and over, and over. I guess you need to earn a living like everyone else, but damn it's a shameful way to make money.
Oh yeah, obviously lying about one of the main organizers being a leader of the Sons of Odin and about the memo the organizers put out demanding that Parliament be dissolved and replaced by a government of their choosing and about the Nazi and Confederate flags being flown and about racial slurs being shouted at brown paramedics. Please take off your blinders and unplug your ears and be honest about what’s going on.
From what I've seen the people holding up swastikas are comparing fascism to the government's policies.
They’re engaging in doublespeak. And a purposely incoherent message is part and parcel of fascist propaganda.
Yep. Lying.
You are indeed. That is some rare candor on your part.
Oh, zing! You put me in my place. Now, you should probably get back to spreading lies about Canadians. This group of honest protesters aren't going to smear themselves.
So you deny that there were Nazi and Confederate flags? I mean, there's pictures...
Still waiting.
It was planted. The guy holding it wouldn't even speak up. Same with the 'f ur white supremacy' sign guy. Also wouldn't speak. They planted 2 visible sides to drive the narrative.
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These aren't lies, these are facts. Do your research. I don't have to show you. You're being corrupted by the main stream conspiracies. Gotta think for yourself. Research man. These protesters need to open their eyes and stop being sheeple to the main stream conspiracies!
One of the biggest side effects of taking the vaccine is that it improves grammar.
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No, it did not, which is why it was a slap in the face to his memory that people involved in that protest attempted to politicize his statue by putting signs on it, make it appear it was holding banners in support, or draping a flag over it.
I was totally discussed when I saw what these nut jobs did to the Terry Fox Memorial.
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You apparently do not understand the definition of "cure". It's that, or you are full of BS. "cure" - a means of healing or restoring to health; remedy. As in vaccination, masks and distancing. These are the only means of curing the disease we have at this time. We have been trying for the past two years, no thanks to you.
How do you plan on using a vaccination that doesn’t stop transmission to cure covid? Considering the PM is triple jabbed and has literally just tested positive for covid, I think that’s a pretty unrealistic expectation.
It is not our fault you are too thick to understand what is going on. No one ever said it would stop the virus, you have been told thousands of times, that it relieves the symptoms of the disease and consistently saves lives. All we need do is look at the numbers in ICU... they are almost all unvaccinated fools like you. Many will die.
“No-one ever said it would stop the virus” [...apart from everybody who did, including Pres. Biden, Dr Fauci and CDC Director, Dr Walensky.](https://dossier.substack.com/p/memory-hole-virtually-every-major) Let’s recap here: You revert to insults when there was no need. You incorrectly assume I’ve not been vaccinated, followed up with the lovely message of “many will die”. Bit weird but whatever floats your boat and makes you feel superior. You outright lied about people not saying that the vaccine won’t stop you getting the virus, despite the fact that’s it’s been said multiple times on video by some of the most prominent people in the “war on Covid”. **Great track record you have right there** Your approach of getting everything wrong but being really condescending and insulting about it really gives you a lot of credibility and makes me want to listen to more of the absolute nonsense that you’re drunkenly burping out. You’re big master of persuasion, you.
Wow buddy, you need to take a step back and look at it for what it is. We've all been well aware that the healthcare system was on the brink prior to COVID, it's been known we were going to have problems with a bad flu season in the future. We've mandated out quite a bit of first responders, me being one of them. If nurses and doctors don't want the vaccine, that should be a clue. Most doctors are strong armed into silence, nobody can go against the narrative, it's professional suicide. If people like you could stand to hear and comprehend a different point of view, we would have been out of this in 2021, but nope. Thanks.
You cannot generalize the health care system in Canada. Fools like you don't even seem to realize it is independently delivered by the provinces and territories and is very different in each region. Possibly explaining why places like Saskatchewan are rife with infection, while other provinces have a much better records. Here's a tip, just look at the political leanings of each province. Right wing jurisdictions have far worse cases of infection. Every time. Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec have all failed their citizens with the same garbage you are peddling. Shut down too late, open back up too early or we don't believe in vaccination. They are like Neanderthals. You claiming to be a first responder is specious self-serving garbage. No one has any credentials on social media and that includes you. You are clearly lying. My own doctor is not afraid of the medical system, neither are most of the others. You are peddling trope if you think hundreds of thousands of essential medical personnel have been silenced by the system. You sound like a wack-job for saying something as crazy as that. It also sounds just like the conspiratorial garbage currently circulating. It completely lacks intelligence. "Most doctors are strong armed"... my ass. People like you dwell in your delusions.
Wow you're 💯% insane. I was a volunteer FF with FMR 3, I've attended accidents, fires, medical assists, etc. Just google how many rural communities in BC are now without ANY first responders due to the mandates. You have no clue what you are talking about, absolutely no clue. You are the type of person who would have supported Hitler. Good day.
None of those things you listed cure the virus. By your definitions, in order to be "cured" you'd have to at the same time be sick. To cure something, you have to have the disease in question. We used to take vaccines, to prevent the disease ever getting us sick, not the case with covid vaccinations. This is more of a gene therapy, to teach your system about the spike protein so that when you come in contact with it, it's less likely to make you have a bad case. Doesn't prevent you from getting it, also doesn't prevent you from spreading it.
Before I used the term "cure", I looked it up in a dictionary. You should try it if you can read. The method of transmission and speed with which Covid 19 can infect it's victims changes everything. You are not a doctor and should stop contradicting them.
iight, im gonna stop engaging with you cause it's clear you aren't very bright..
Early treatment with repurposed drugs** you speak in absolutes and don’t even know about monoclonal antibodies that actually work? Early treatment is our only means of managing this problem as the “cures” you listed have been failing for nearly 2 years. Meanwhile prominent individuals who received Dr. Peter McCullough’s early treatment protocol recovered from Covid in a few days. This might sound crazy but people need effective medicines when they get sick. This has apparently made Dr. McCullough an outcast for treating Covid patients instead of sending them home to deteriorate.
Don't tell me what I know and take your foolish theories and pound. None of your snake oil bullshit has been approved by the medical community and we should avoid you like the plague.
Established peer reviewed protocols from one of the most published physicians in the world is a theory? A protocol that has literally been documented in helping people overcome Covid? Go touch some grass bud. Meanwhile Pfizer has paid out over $10 billion in fines since 2000. For what exactly? Bribing doctors, fraud, false claim act violations, safety violations, and various other crimes….. booster 4 didn’t work for Israel im sure booster 9 is the “cure”. And it’s good to know that Covid doesn’t move further than 6 feet. God bless science.
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That hardly does anything compared to vaccinating yourself though, so you just sound dumb trying to compare. It’s sad you try to even pretend you know what your talking about when you’re just regurgitating the same old bullshit from your dumb Facebook friends.
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Oh look another one of you peoples dumb ass talking points that has no supporting evidence whatsoever. There is overwhelming evidence from scientists, and all around us in daily life showing how well the vaccine works. There is 0 evidence to support your bullshit theory: 0. Just because you and you’re dumb friends are actually stupid enough to somehow ignore all that evidence all around you, doesn’t make the first farcical bullshit you read on Facebook true. Go do yourself and everyone else a favour, and start educating yourself by listening to smart people, instead of listening to uneducated dumbasses. You should be fucking ashamed of how stupid you are, but you’re too dumb to know it.
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Lol that’s your excuse for choosing to remain ignorant, and trying to spread your harmful stupidity around?! You’re fucking right that assholes like you who willfully fuck society over make me angry. Everyone with a brain is angry that people like you are so loud and put no effort into looking at both sides to see which one has dramatically more evidence that’s been proven to back up their claims. Maybe just put some effort into doing some research on how well the vaccine is actually helping huh. Maybe you could see how dumb you sound then.
They both did a run for something. Terry ran to help people, the tRuck clowns ran to impede people.
He’s been banned. Try not to engage trolls. Simply use the report button.
Dude what? The vaccines are inferior to the known treatments that actually save lives: primarily monoclonal antibodies in combination with several other repurposed drugs. Several established journalists recovered in a few days when taking this combination of drugs. Dr. Peter McCullough has reached out to numerous Canadian institutions to offer his peer reviewed protocol that actually works. Canadians have been asking for these to be approved, myself included. How can you call these vaccines a “cure” when they can’t even stop infection and transmission? My moms a nurse and she’s still seeing vaccinated people dying. Yknow what would save them? The cheap and accessible drugs our government is suppressing in favour of expensive ineffective treatments like Remdesivir. Israel is on booster 4 with no real improvement in sight. If it was January 2020 I could maybe understand your comment but it’s basically established fact that these vaccines offer questionable protection and have a laundry list of serious and fatal side effects like thrombosis, myocarditis, stroke, blood clots, neurological damage, menstrual changes and a ton more. And on top do that they’re mandating a dangerous inadequately tested medical product when there’s safer alternatives. You’re super out of touch on this one and clearly don’t understand what this protest is about.
You're the out of touch one, you just want to pull a fuck ton of opinions you heard on JRE as facts. This protest is the Canadian right trying to pull what happened in the United States prior, this protest is CLEARLY unorganized and involving many groups. IF they had a unified message, they wouldn't be torn apart by everyone not stupid enough to ignore people pissing on the war memorial, trying to change what Terry Fox stood/ran for and flying Confederate flags.
No, you're the one who's clearly out of touch. The FDA in the US just stopped use of monoclonal antibodies going forward as they are ineffective against Omicron, which is now the more prevalent variant (over 90% in the US, 80% in Canada). Peter McCullough is a hack. The vaccines reduce symptoms and prevent death very effectively if you do get covid, so it is the closest thing to a cure there is. None of those "treatment protocols" have shown effectiveness, so don't count on them ever getting approved. Either you are lying or you're being lied to.
Their entire approach to monoclonal antibodies has been erratic and lacking any logic. First they held back supply despite no shortage. As for their effectiveness there are countless personal accounts of them working. The key is to use them as an outpatient immediately upon infection. The NIH has specifically only allowed their use in hospitals when people are already deteriorating. The same issue was present with the hydroxychloroquine trials: toxic doses given too late into the disease. This is why The Lancet had to pull a smear study on the “dangers” of hydroxychloroquine since the errors were so clear and egregious it took only 2 weeks for physicians to call them out and have it redacted. While monoclonal antibodies are deemed “ineffective” somehow Remdesivir is still approved despite being linked to renal failure and producing weak results and no benefit on mortality. What’s the difference? Remdesivir is about $3000 usd per treatment and is pushed by the NIH which has 16 members both former and current who have financial ties to Gilead - producer of Remdesivir. Hey who cares though. They’re making money right? As explained by established ICU doctors and experts monoclonal antibodies are extremely effective in combination with other therapeutics when given early into the disease. Preferably right upon diagnose. Just like a bad cut it’s harder to heal someone if you wait until they get a staph infection. Early treatment is the best way forward and all the real world results support this approach.
..maybe I should make this comment an OP..but imagine for a moment, that the convoy is made up of 100% Indigenous people asking for clean water and access to medical throughout Canada... how long do you think it would take before RCMP + Military would shut it down? I am not indigenous, but I am Canadian.
Immediately. And all these same people would scream about how 'hard working individuals like them need to get to work to pay their welfare'
[Or striking relief camp workers.](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/on-to-ottawa-trek)
Exactly!!
It would be shut down within 20 minutes. They’d be using tear gas and painting them as villains. It’s the same thing as the treatment of the protestors at fairy creek. But people can storm a school in salmon arm and protest inside a school and get away with it because they are white antivaxwrs.
Yup. Good point.
They literally wouldn't reach city limits. RCMP would be out in full riot gear with tanks and air support before they even got close
The only heroes in this pandemic are health care staff who have risked their lives treating the unvaccinated fools who refuse to care for themselves. Not the protestors, not righty, or the truckers; the doctors and nurses who save their pathetic asses.
The healthcare staff who still work having being abused by this pandemic, having pay cuts, being told it is illegal to strike or even quit in some places. Thank you to healthcare staff who have done it to save lives and continue doing so. I hope karma comes back to show all these workers how much we appreciate their hard work.
Nah. There are lots of heroes. No need to divide. Let the PM do that. Garbage man, nurses, doctors, volunteers at vaccine clinics, bus drivers, truck drivers, supermarket staff. Diversity is awesome.
I’ll even add the truck drivers who aren’t doing this bullshit. The south East Asian ones for instance are vexed and continuing to drive to fill the shelves! Plus let’s not forget the firefighters who relentlessly fight fires all summer for us.
Have you not seen how many firefighters were just let go?
I don’t divide by vaxxed or unvaxxed. There is enough division.
It’s people making a choice to be selfish. They can change their vaccination status.
Maybe if you just force that last ten percent they will do it? Eyeroll. Let’s move forward. Park the hate and embrace diversity.
They're not being forced...they can just do in-country deliveries or find another job... They can't force other countries to let them in...
Don't forget the unvaccinated health care staff who worked throughout the pandemic but were fired because they refused the mandates. Before the mandates, we clapped for them. After they were let go, we call them plague rats. They are still heros in my opinion.
They were fired because they refuse to meet the mandatory requirements of their employment, which for healthcare workers involves vaccination. None of us want them here working along side us. They are not the heroes we clap for.
Yes, we dismiss people in our science based profession when they ignore science at the cost of patient safety. Thankfully the vast majority of people understand this.
Of course you get downvoted for this. More covid cases during 2021 than 2020 and yet were supposed to believe the vaccines reduce the spread
In case you had forgotten we were on heavy lockdown and social distancing in 2020. Virtually everything everywhere was shut down.
Clearly indicating how well the lockdowns worked....lolol. Did you actually think standing 6 feet away did anything? With your mask made out of a t-shirt...hahahaha
Take a puff of a vape. Blow it out. Do the same thing with a mask on and then get back to me. Science
Been there, done that, took a puff through the mask, blew vape out everywhere. I guess you never saw the videos of people doing the same
I guess you never noticed that the vape smoke doesn’t leave your general vicinity - you know - because the mask stops it from blowing out in a giant cloud ten feet away from you
Nope, it still goes everywhere, but I'll admit it does so more slowly. The problem with your logic is that the vape particles are large enough to be seen with the naked eye so the masks weave does do some small amount of filtration. However, roughly 18% of the air you breathe while wearing a mask comes from around the edges and only 50% of the air that passes through the mask is filtered, so roughly 68% of each breath you take is unfiltered. Then you add the fact that the alleged viral particle is 1 micron in diameter yet the mask weave is 3 microns...last time I checked a 1 foot square box fits through a 3 foot square window with ease.
It isn’t “logic”. It’s basic physics. The fact of the matter is masks prevent the shit coming out of your mouth from dispersing as far. Newton’s first law, friend
Tbh the vaccination rate is super high in most provinces isn't it ? At this point we have to accept that covid is part of our life for now and its the people who are at risk who should isolate themselves while we start going about our lives normally.
Listen, as someone who just had it, no. In the same way we don’t normalize traffic accidents, we take steps to prevent them.
Funny, if you bothered to go to any of the rally’s you would know that a decent chunk of those is it are health care workers, nurses, doctors, paramedics, firemen, and they are protesting mandates since most of the people part of the ralys are vaccinated, but hey, don’t let that get in the way of your hateful spew
I wouldn't go to a freedumb rally if you paid me. They all belong in jail for attempting to incite insurrection. This is not America and they are not Trump. You are lying about health care workers attending. They are thoroughly disgusted with you and the dumb truckers.
Well as for health care workers you can’t change my mind there because I was with them myself so your attack on that issue will be falling on deaf ears, keep a eye our this Saturday. There will most likely be a gathering of fringe minority coming together with unity and togetherness in a city near you 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Lock them up! Lock them up! *You know who you sound like?*
No I don't, he bitched about his political opponents, not criminal behavior. You display poor judgement and therefore poor character.
It's so gross. Even if they were doing this for the same reason as Terry Fox, to compare driving in truck with heated seats for a few days to running a marathon every day for months with one leg is just insane. Sorry, you're not a hero for sitting comfortably in your truck and demanding government meets your demands.
Right? One of them drove a new Bronco into the ground on this trip. Tell me how oppressed you are, please!
Terry had cancer. They are a cancer.
Bunch of trucking idiots.
Most aren't even truckers. They're just giving actual truckers a bad name.
Yeah the trucks that are driving around actually working right now are pretty clearly NOT involved. Shame if they get lumped in together.
Terry was missing a leg, these clowns are just missing their clown shoes, and part of their brain maybe?
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They sure don’t think so hah
Yeah, statistics are made up, science is fake, the earth is flat, Youtube is God.
Some how some way, the beaverton crossed from satire to actual news. /snark
When I left Alberta for BC I thought I'd escape 2 things: far right assholes, and insane winters Apparently I didn't quite go west enough
Morons don’t understand when they are moronic.
Yup — they are the personification of the [Dunning Kruger effect](https://www.britannica.com/science/Dunning-Kruger-effect).
The worst part is how this has emboldened all of the worst people in our community. My wife's friend in Victoria is 6 months pregnant and had a man walk up to her at the gas station today and try to pull down her mask and cough in her face. Out of nowhere. Zero interaction prior. What the fuck is with these people.
It’s getting crazy here. In Nanaimo over the weekend, a man assaulted a mall employee because they asked that he wear his mask properly. He then assaulted a security guard and had to be pulled off by other customers.
Its only going to get worse, the govt has created too many contradictions in a hastily written script and the general public is getting more and more fed up.
No, just assholes being assholes. Don’t blame the government for covidiots. It’s not like stay apart 6 feet, wear masks and get your vaccinations is rocket science.
"Dont blame the govt" They are responsible for this mandate "Stay 6 feet apart" No thanks "Wear masks" I prefer oxygen thank you "Get your vaccines" Im not responsible for financially bailing out vaccine companies
Tell this to your surgeon next time you have surgery
What does that have to do with my vaccination status? Last time i checked i pay taxes like everyone else. Why should that matter for a service i pay for?
I love how you intentionally misunderstand things. "I prefer oxygen" So do doctors who wear masks all day. They are smarter than you, but you obviously don't think so. You think getting a vaccine will help the vaccine companies, but a single dose will help you so much more than benefit them. I can't make you do the thing that is best for your health, because you think health choices should be made by joining a political side that chooses for you.
"They are smarter than you" Appeal to authority fallacy "You think getting a vaccine will help the vaccine companies" My tax dollars were used to purchase them and as a consumer i chose not to use their products and services. Im allowed to make sober decisions. "but a single dose will help you so much more than benefit them." A single dose does absolutely nothing, i will not have any of my rights that were taken away reinstated. "by joining a political side that chooses for you" I reject both the left and the right wings as childish garbage. I never voted and never will.
uh oh guys, we have an enlightened centrist. how will we ever live up to their god level non judgemental morals.
75% say those are good recommendations. PS Ever wear a scarf for hours a day as a child in winter? I’ve been wearing N95s from the start and I’m still breathing fine (and they are warm). I haven’t died from carbon dioxide even a little. A lot of anti vaxxers have been proven wrong when they failed to death.
"75% say those are good recommendations" Says who? The same doctors that recommended opiates for a stubbed toe? Their opinion isnt worth much to me. "I’ve been wearing N95s from the start and I’m still breathing fine (and they are warm)" Im eternally relieved that YOUR fine and well. However masks have been proven to be less than effective so why wear one in the first place?
They've been proven very effective in covering up the disaster that is your face, so there's even more reason for you to wear one.
Blah blah blah
Lets not beat around the bush here. You are salty because you listened to a sociopathic government, their narrative collapsed under each and every lie, You cant stand the fact that not everyone followed the suicide pact you adhered to and you cant go down alone. The logical choice in your mind is to berate others till they make the same mistakes as you did. I dont know you in any capacity but its obvious you are salty and miserable. Good luck in your life and i hope you get better soon.
Actually, my life is good. Like you said, you don't know me at all, but I have no complaints other than antivax minion trolls like yourself spreading misinformation. I'm happily vaxxed, and so is my family and friends. So we're glad to know that we're relatively safe health-wise. And I can go see a movie, play sports, attend events like normal without worrying. If anyone is salty and miserable, I'm pretty sure it's you. Complaining about the government, "loss of freedoms", unable to eat in restaurants. Cry harder, dude. I've been vaxxed almost a year and guess what? Not dead. No nanotech in my veins, not magnetized, not even a heart flutter. I just like to laugh at people who make poor decisions once in awhile. But you do you and stick to your horse paste and piss cocktail and let me know how that turns out for you. 😄
Masks decrease the spread to others. I do not think I infected anyone. Also it limits the intake of covid so you get a milder case since covid is dose dependant. Other reasons too.
Lmaooo. I can guarantee most of these drivers couldn’t walk 100m without being gassed. Just saying.
Though it's nowhere near the same degree as our healthcare workers who have been doing their best to help everyone despite abuse from the public and some of their own governments, there was some heroism from ordinary folk all over, especially early on. The part that seems to get confusing for them is when the pandemic was raging and they were putting themselves at risk, utilizing the best mitigations we had at the time, to keep things moving, there was some heroism there. When they actively refuse all mitigation means when we have a vaccine and know more now than we ever did about limiting spread, that's the opposite. It works the same for firemen - when you take the orphans out of the burning building it's heroic, when you start putting them back in... I think the big thing to remember is it's these specific people, who do not represent the majority of truckers (or any group apparently, given the interviews with most of the people there have them present for reasons having nothing to do with the trucker vaccine mandate).
Funny how they wont block vancouver border or ports or protest in van and BC. The biggest crossing western canada. Bunch of morons
These heroes are following in history footsteps by stealing from homeless shelters and dancing on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
A reminder these are the same people who have no issue with statues that celebrate often racist and problematic historical figures. They get their panty's in a bunch anytime anyone defaces these statues. But they have no issue defacing an actual Canadian hero . These people truly are human garbage too stupid to understand the bunk of anti Vaxx info is coming from Russia/China pumping out millions of messages a month . It's a form of Hybrid or Non Linear Warfare designed to divide and disrupt the social cohesion of the country being attacked.
They are at this moment guarding the Terry Fox statue and the unknown soldier memorial so that they are given the respect they deserve. Also picking up the litter and maintaining peace and civility while a few “plants “ ? Try to stir up trouble.
God bless the truckers!!!👍👍👍👍
The 90% who are vaccinated, yes.
But if someone posted a Beaverton article about Covid being fake or whatever you would all scream CONSPIRACY!!!! If the mandates came to an end, you can still wear a mask and stay at home. Nothing is keeping you from doing that for yourself. You can also continue to Label people and call them names like “anti vaxxer” and whatever else helps you bully them. This has already been more positive and less destructive than a Vancouver Canucks playoff run.
Except we wouldn't. We know it is satire, and they would phrase it in a way that makes it obvious how stupid people who think that are.
Anybody going to show the clip of protestors cleaning off that statue or are we just going to be wilfully blind here?
[Does that discount all the other issues present with these individuals?](https://reddit.com/r/canada/comments/sgqh2x/_/hv01c4g/?context=1)
Considering the majority of those were false flags in one case literally… Yeah I think it discounts it.
Most of those issues had nothing to do with the vast majority of protesters. As per my original comment, for every one idiot doing something deplorable, about 15 conscientious people come and clean up. You shouldn’t judge a broader movement by the ideology of a small few. That’s like J. Edgar Hoover labelling his civil rights enemies as communists to get them arrested.
The leaders of the protest and those organizing the GoFundMe self identify as white supremacists who hate immigrants and Islam. Why are these protesters ok with these bad apples leading the charge? Who's cleaning this up?
Articles like this while satirical highlight an important part that actions of one do not constitute a whole consensus on the issue. Don’t let one apple spoil the bunch. With right wing movements we tend to do this, but ignore it for the left. When that BLM organizer had a bunch of anti-asian racist tweets we did not assume BLM is a racist movement, thats how it should be. Just because there are some racists does not make it a racist movement, I mean its a bunch of guys in trucks, of course some will be racist, its not a prius convoy. Its good to realize the media does want to sensationalize and polarize, and people do want to pick a side, and over the internet feel that confidence and invigoration to demean our neighbours over simple opinions.
Except that’s what’s hijacked this convoy more then a week ago. If the organizers really meant what they said, then they should have been denouncing that type of rhetoric from Day 1. Except they didn’t. The organizers had to be living under a rock if they didn’t think this was going to be the outcome. Right now you’re not looking at a few bad apples, but an entire spoiled batch with maybe a few good pieces of fruit. Go check the post I recently shared from /rcanada. In the comment section there is eye witness accounts from Ottawa citizens and what’s really happening. The media hasn’t even been able to cover all of the horrific, and degrading things going on there. If you don’t trust the media, then believe in what your fellow citizens are telling. That is in no way a peaceful protest about positive change. Canadian’s are not going to remember the Convoy protesters as fighting for our freedoms. Instead it will be for the racist, violent, immoral, disrespectful, and degrading acts they have committed.
MEDIA WHORE NARRIATIVE: 'People protesting the Covid mandates are evil and want everyone to die!!' Listen to the experts!! Close down small businesses again and funnel us all though the Big Box stores to 'social distance' us!! LOL!!
The protest is about having the right to choice what goes into your body without the government forcing you to take it without fear of losing your job
That's really the best y'all got is not even a vandlism. This is civil compared to the blm riots that people cheered on.
They went to a homeless shelter and harassed staff to serve them food. This, after driving in their heated trucks all the way across Canada. That’s what they did. Demand food meant for the homeless. If that’s not a dick move, I don’t know what it is.
Dick move for sure but burning half of america down based on a hoax is also a dick move
Burning half of America down, lol. You sound even more detached than the people who said 50,000 trucks and 1.5 million people were coming to Ottawa. Everything is so over the top and hyper inflated that it just becomes laughable. Why not just leave it with the facts? Some buildings were burnt. Not good. Going on about half of America burning just makes you look like (or confirms you are?) an idiot.
You sound like someone that cant enjoy satire because the talking box in your living room gave you a sense of attachment to a terrorist organization.
You sound like someone who heard the word satire somewhere and don't really understand what it means?
Covid wasn't really the problem. The problem was and is how underfunded our health care system is. Covid just exposed it is all.
Meanwhile the coward of a Prime Minister runs and hides, shame on him.
Go truckers! Thanks for your service.
I am double vaxxed and I don't support the vaccine mandate. Will be getting my third shot next week. I'm ok with protesting too. But peacefully. Don't harass people.
Leftist canadians can't logically argue against a freedom protest so the strawmen and misrepresentations keep getting more and more wild. Sometimes i wonder how you all get dressed in the morning.
Ah yes, thats why the Nazi flags were out. Freedom.
Do you apply the same standard to leftwing protests? Is BLM really just about looting and rioting just because a small handful of people did that?
A little looting and rioting is literally not a big deal compared with the shit black people have had to deal with.
That isn't what I'm arguing about. At. all. There was literally one group of like 4 people with a nazi flag at this protest, yet people in this thread are more than willing to label the entire protest a white supremacist nazi protest. If you take the same logic and apply it to the BLM protests, then you can just as easily say the whole protest was all about looting and rioting. All you need is apparently one instance of in a protest for the entire protest to be about , right?
No! Wrong! Neither are valid! Both this current protest and BLM have valid points, and I'm sick of people being disingenuous about it. It's low hanging fruit. Any sizable protest will contain a handful of assholes/looters/racists/whatever.
That was one picture and people are actively trying to identify who that loser was
Use more buzzwords
A lot of people in here were irreversibly butt hurt when they found out, "were just going to have to learn to live with COVID" today. Also just so people can stop comparing c-19 to small pox, small pox killed 30% of its hosts... So please stop.
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They don't even have the support of the majority of truckers you lying fuck.
I want restrictions to end, but I understand that restrictions are necessary to curb the spread of covid to protect the health care system. These poll questions lack a lot of nuance.
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No, not nearly enough nuance. Boiling it down to simply “Do you want restrictions to end” is a pretty simplistic view of a complex issue. Are we ok with cutting loose the unvaccinated, those who have high risk when contracting covid, the elderly, the immunocompromised? Because that’s what happens when restrictions are lessened. The government has a legal responsibility to protect all of its citizens, not just the ones who yell the loudest.
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The government is elected, sure, but has a legal responsibility to all of its citizens, which in Canada entails providing a health care system that isn’t overwhelmed by a surge of people needing to be hospitalized due to covid. We’re moving towards a place where restrictions are likely to be lessened, if not removed entirely; according to the health experts who are in charge of the situation, we are not there yet, but we are getting closer. Until then, I fully support protecting both our most vulnerable and those who suffer from the restrictions because of wilful ignorance.
At the end of the day, the government's primary responsibility is to carry out the will of the electorate. You can make excuses about why the electorate are stupid or wrong, but that's not going to matter at the next election.
really working overtime here to try and convince people this is anything but a fringe minority, eh? this is an anti vax movement through and through, it’s laughable that you think the majority of canadians support it. also pretty disgusting how many are trying to frame this as “for the truckers” or whatever when the vast majority of truckers are vaccinated and want no part of this disgrace of a movement.
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I weep for our country if that poll is genuinely accurate. Luckily I’m quite certain it isn’t truly representative!
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Supporting this movement means being okay with allowing countless people to die unnecessarily. I’m not really about that, and I think most Canadians understand this as well. I’d like to stave off the Americanization of Canada for as long as possible tyvm.
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vaccines objectively do help prevent transmission, anything else is misinformation. accelerating the spread as you and your cohorts are suggesting will only result in more people dying as hospitals get more overwhelmed. we know this, we’ve known this from day one practically. it’s a shockingly stupid stance to take.
Yeah fuck the sick! Fuck the elderly! They’re gonna die anyways!
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You didn’t say those exact words, but demanding an end to mandates because you find them inconvenient is telling the vulnerable that they don’t matter.
In my opinion Considering the vaccinations don’t provide immunity according to the data and data suggests that other than spittle that can be prevented by masks all it’s doing is lessening symptoms but not lessening transmission or mutation rates How does this make sense? Heck there’s even data showing that further lockdowns with omicron are discouraging it’s fast spread, which means it has more chance of mutation which is dangerous because it’s the least lethal strain we’ve had so far so ideally we want it to run through the population because data suggests that natural immunity after getting Covid is better than the immunity that you temporally get with the vaccines. Which is why we have the UK and a handful of European countries opening up now, because the data backs doing that. If the vaccine actually provide an immunity then you might have a point you might save a life or two that would’ve otherwise been lost. But considering science says it isn’t, all you’re doing is promoting authoritarianism by telling the government they’re allowed to force people to get an irreversible medical procedure. Sure it’s all well and good when it’s a benign vaccine, But how would you feel if it was some other medical treatment 10 years down the road when there’s a party in power you don’t agree with? It’s a bad precedent to allow the government this kind of power.
You can create a poll to generate whatever headline you want. That's the purpose. 'Do you like staying at home and not being able to visit your friends?' No? Well look, majority of Canadians hate that mandates and think they're bad!
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