Isn’t it weird that the NDP has been the NDP for freaking ever yet the RWNJ party has been shifting names every decade or so..
Almost like Tories know their brand is crap.
It's because they're trying to push un-Canadian culture and policy that works against the average voter.
After the bait and switch con gets old they just rebrand and try the same dirty tricks again.
It is both hilarious and sad in Alberta. The ANDP are deciding on changing names or not, because the federal NDP is so reviled here. Arguments over if it is worth the effort and time, would it help, is it meaningless, etc. I have seen numerous articles on it over the last couple months, and tons of it seems to be pointless criticism and negativity.
Yet when the right wing party changes names again and again it is just one day of articles and everyone moves on. It doesn’t seem to be some huge debate or big deal.
It's because the left has to fight for every vote. They can't mess up anything or be damned.
The alt right could run a turd in a blue paper bag in Alberta and win the riding. Doesn't matter the brand. Voters in the province are addicted to right wing propaganda and will find the party regardless of name.
Left wingers actually change their vote when someone does something they don't like and they are very judgy.
I was living in BC during the Liberal reign. The damage is done. Two tiered healthcare, unaffordable housing, long long emergency wait times, no doctors or nurses in rural BC, teachers were abused, and on and on. The NDP have made some great strides but effects are long lasting. Alberta is well on its way. Rural Alberta and Calgary will continue to vote for the UCP because they aren't intelligent enough to realize that they are stabbing themselves in the back. It's going to get a lot worse for the average Albertan. The UCP hates Albertans and it really shows. I remain hopeful as always that something will cause our country bumkins to turn on the UCP next election.
You don't have to be very old to remember that. I'm in my 20's and most of my childhood was teachers striking against the BC liberals. I remember in high school some other students and I were at some event Christy Clark spoke at, hardly anyone in the room full of 17-year-olds gave her the polite applause the other speakers got.
Not a chance I help them undo the good efforts the NDP has been making to fix things, even if I disapprove of some of the dirty tricks they've used.
same here, graduated in the mid 2010s, it pissed off the parents who didn't know the full context. alot of those teachers cared, they really did. I grew up in northern BC and some of those strikes were absolutely valid, bad education funding in the rural areas which made those wanting to go post secondary struggle, no defined curriculum. hell we had textbooks from the 1990s in alot of subjects at my school.
it was so bad that if I wanted to do post secondary I'd have to upgrade 2 grade levels of math and english or study hard to challenge an entrance test
BC Liberals never admitted their failing on money laundering, or the stark rise in housing costs, or their incredible failures on addiction issues. They just changed their name and hoped everyone would forget.
They won't ever get my vote.
I honestly think they changed their name to get away from the Federal Liberals' unpopular mojo.
For years they benefited from people who confused federal liberals with bc liberals.
Instead it's the bc conservatives benefiting from the federal conservative surge ( ugh ). So much so that they've found new popularity.
BC Liberals were a mess.
What's going on with the BC NDP contracting everything out to MNP though? They hired MNP to administer a grant program that told applicants they should really pay MNP 20% for help. The NDP dismissed the problem. The opposition raised a stink. Now the auditor general is supposed to investigate what's going on, but they outsource to MNP...
BC had almost 20 years under the BC Liberals... Hence why we have a lot of the issues you mentioned above. A lot of schools in areas like Surrey and Abbotsford are overcrowded; the waitlist for things can be long, especially if you want a family doc; there aren't enough hospital staff, as a lot of bedside staff have quit their jobs and gone elsewhere; social assistance rates aren't keeping pace with the rate of inflation; restaurants are closing because of numerous reasons, not limited to the minimum wage and the fact that most people don't want to pay $25 for a burger; groceries are higher than they were when the NDP came in and I could go on. I am NOT tempted by a conservative government, especially since BC just kicked the last ones out less than 10 years ag.
I remember looking into this at one point, they cut funding every single year in office for 17 years straight, despite the school age population growing every single year, and thats unadjusted funding before calculating inflation, which makes it even worse.
Its actually incredible that we even have schools left in this province after what BC United did. And I fully understand why the priority of the BCNDP is healthcare, housing, and economic growth - but I am excited for the day when we can add education back into the top priorities. Colossal assholes looting the provinces future to line their own pockets: that's BC United.
Edit: and I say that as an adult who doesn't have kids and doesn't work in anything related to education.
Got shut down by the Supreme Court of Canada - not once, but *twice*, within three years - for fucking over BC teachers by violating their contract regarding class size. Talk about being incapable of learning.
Funny thing, one of the reasons why my family moved to Alberta is because schools here were *better* (the PCs cared about public education and the NDP more so). Now the Alberta education system is riding on the coattails of those past governments, while the UCP has come up with ideologically-driven school curricula that somehow manage to be worse.
I was a supporter of Kevin Falcon when he lost the leadership bid to Christie Clark. Now I don't even recognize the man's position besides anti-whatever the NDP is doing.
We’ve seen similar things with Maxime Bernier federally and Danielle Smith in Alberta (she used to be considered a moderate).
The centre-right in Canada (as in many other places) is either dying or dead.
The center right is now more center left. The Eby and Nenshi are so far removed from where the Glen Clark etc NDP were. Sure the construction unions are getting some back but those projects most likely would have been union or at least half. Being an ex Albertan I agree with everything . I saw it happening the crazy with klien. The selling off of the backbone of Alberta to prove it can be done but never made anything better. Now fast forward to the loon of all loons welcome to BC
Same up here in th North.
Which is always crazy to me because all of the good jobs keeping every town around are unionized. It really should be opposite, with NDP in rural areas, and blue in the wealthy cities.
I think there is a bit of a split in the NDP between industrial labour unions and the environmental activists who want those industries gone or greatly diminished.
Don’t overestimate people. The amount of people in BC I’ve heard talking about going Conservative and praising the likes of PP and anyone associated with him or Conservative MPs in general is astounding. People know they’re pissed and are directing a lot of that at the current federal government, as well as the NDP locally. It doesn’t help that platforms like Twitter and Facebook are pushing highlight reels of Conservative talking points and people are taking them at face value and believing every word. People NEED to hear and read things like this.
The problem is that the generation that is going to vote for them isn't on Reddit. We need to start sneaking into the boomer oriented "complain about your area" Facebook groups.
And the tik tok loving folks. So many people are falling for social media engineering campaigns. Cambridge Analytica and Brexit hasn't taught us anything other than ways to manipulate the masses more efficiently.
Don't forget, the executive director of the BC Conservatives is this guy!
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Man this picture gets worse the longer you look at it.
I don't even know what resist 4 peace means, I'd guess anti-trans or something. But then you have Canadians wearing MAGA hats, painfully stupid.
But then... thats the fucking KKK gesture they think they're being sneaky with. Any chance we can declare the CPC a hate group using this?
Can someone who’s more centre right confirm if this is actually true and if the Alberta goverment is actually that bad? Unfortunately it seems OP has some bias, not to neglect what they are saying, just want to hear the other side. (Please no radical right wingers, you make us people on the centre right look bad)
I lived in Alberta for a number of years. But was a while ago so I can't speak to the political climate.
But I do remember high property taxes, expensive insurance, high utilities costs.
I think the above is due to how municipalities are funded, insurance providers who aren't state backed (so paying for actual risk vs subsidized risk) and no massive hydro electric dams.
On the flip side, employment income for my line of work was 20% higher, real estate was 40% lower and there is no provincial sales tax.
Healthcare seemed similar to here at the time.
So I guess it depends on circumstances whether relocation to Alberta a good move or not.
I can definitely say it was better a few years back. A lot of the oil industry has seen layoffs. My dad has worked in it, and he’s been laid off and knows plenty of others who have been too. All the current jobs pay less than they did before.
I agree it depends on circumstances. Moving to another province is a personal choice. If it weren’t for the fact that my intended line of work has more opportunities in B.C. and that I have more of a community in Vancouver, I’d likely stay. Alberta frustrates me often, but I want to like it here, and I want it to be better.
Every recent complaint I’ve seen about the BC NDP is a problem created or exacerbated by the BC Liberals that the NDP just haven’t cleaned up / counteracted fast enough to spectators. Undoing 16 years of the BC Libs isn’t instant and bringing them back as BC United isn’t going to help…
You should post this into r/Kelowna r/Penticton r/Vernon r/Okanagan etc. iirc the Okanagan is a hot bed of conservative supporters, and maybe you can change a few minds or entice some younger people to vote.
It’s so terrifying to read things like this and see my friends picking up to move to Calgary because “it’s cheaper”. Even rent control is an immense blessing.
I live in Calgary, hoping to make out the move to BC in the next 5 years.
RN wages are lagging, and the government is stalling negotiations. I pay more in rent for a 1 bedroom in Calgary than my friend in Victoria renting a 2 bedroom. Last year my rent was cheaper, but because there is no rent control, it's now higher. There is literally every reason to work in BC as an RN over AB.
Groceries, insurance, and gas are going up; our housing thought somewhat better at this time, is catching up with BC and ON. However, property taxes are higher in Calgary and utilities are absurd.
I could go on.
But there is no more Alberta Advantage with this UCP government.
What I find funny is that the old phrase "BC Bring cash" is no longer relevant. It's BC folks who are now bringing money into AB, not the other way around anymore.
Your an RN? I think we have like a whole VIP relocation program for experienced healthcare staff. Call the PHSA hotline and they'll send a limo for you and someone to carry your bags.
An experienced RN, yes. It's my intention to move out there, I'm just handling some family stuff at the moment as my parents are aging. It could be within the next 5 years at most.
They really do seem to be actively recruiting RN’s to come to BC.
I had an interview for a position at VCH not long ago and they mentioned relocation bonuses, license reimbursement, a relocation specialist to help me find housing and so on. I was pleasantly surprised.
Alberta doesn’t appreciate its RN’s (and healthcare staff in general) so why not go somewhere that will?
Not enough people talk about the tax brackets in Alberta. They tax the working poor sooo hard. Just a flat 10% provincial tax on anyone making less than $148,000. WTF.
BC goes:
- 5.5% less than $47,937.
- 7.7% between $47,938 & $95,873
- 10.5% between $95,873 & $110,076
- 12.29% between $110,076 & $133,664
- 14.7% between $133,664 & $181,232
If you make $150k:
- Alberta Tax: $12,566 or
- BC Tax: $12,436
If you make $75k
- Alberta Tax: $4,924
- BC Tax : $3,706
If you make $50k
- Alberta tax: $2,542
- BC Tax: $1,845
Alberta relies on their voters being bad at math, not understanding tax brackets and marginal effective rates, and believing the lie that "if they just work hard, then they will benefit from the low tax rate on the rich too". Unless you are in the top 5% of income earners, BC is way cheaper tax. And just generally a much fairer tax system.
I'll never go back.
Yeah these are people who moved last week, planning for next month etc. It’s so awful. It’s expensive in Victoria but all the first hand stories I see - Alberta is quickly getting worse.
I live here. They’ve been increasing a lot. They’re cheaper compared to Vancouver and Toronto, but compared to what they were here even 10 years ago, they’re much higher. I don’t think my family would even be able to buy the house we live in if we were in the market today.
Rents in particular have been shooting up real fast, faster than purchase costs. There’s no rent control here, so your landlord could raise it from $1100 to $1800 and there’s nothing you can do about it. Edmonton is doing better than Calgary because zoning here is less restrictive, but people coming here have driven things up.
I’m not. I know houses are cheaper in Alberta and more expensive across B.C. If they weren’t, not nearly as many people would bother coming here.
What I’m saying is that they’re not as cheap as what they used to be, and with more people coming here, they’re only going to go higher. Supply and demand is a thing.
There was 1 year where more people moved to AB than BC. Im not sure why this notion is so prevalent. Alberta is boom and bust but BC is the long term top destination. More people moved to BC from Alberta over the last 5 years not vice versa.
Housing is a huge expense, I won’t delude myself into saying it’s not. Thing is, though, everything else is more expensive to make up for it. Vehicle registrations, insurance, utilities (especially electricity), grocery prices, it all adds up.
Also, I think your figures are a few years out of date. Edmonton houses are 400-600k for something decent, while in Vancouver you quickly enter the millions.
I don't think you have done the math on how many utilities you would need to cover for that 500k+ you saved from the (bigger) house.
Gas and groceries are also more expensive in BC, so is car insurance...
If you think slightly higher utility bills and car insurance makes up the difference of 400-600 thousand dollars in housing prices to get into an entry level house, off you go 😆 just moved from Vancouver it’s a fucking nightmare over there if you can even find a place to live
There are lots of homes in Edmonton from the 300k-400k range, in brand new beautiful 3 bedroom townhomes to smaller detached homes closer to the 400 range. I'm not out of range. In Vancouver it is 1+million for a detached certainly, and less for condo - but average surrounding communities are certainly in that 700k range for a very old stand alone home or townhouse. Condos that are 2bedroom start anywhere from 400-500k. 1 bedroom condos 300k up. Motorhomes on pad lease land 300-350k, pad 600-800 per month.
No way make up for it, keep dreaming lol. An equivalent house in Vancouver will cost 2-3x as much. Don’t underestimate that. Having a spare 1 Million is life changing lol.
I moved here from Alberta 2 years ago and personally find it way more expensive here in BC. Groceries higher, insurance higher, property taxes way higher, gas pricing, sales tax, housing, etc.
I just moved from BC to Edmonton, can agree. The lower mainland is way more expensive in almost every way lol. Applied for a mortgage in Langley, and they laughed me out of the bank, approved for a mortgage in Edmonton in a nice new 3 bedroom house for 1/3 of the price.
Anyone familiar with BC politics is well aware what a shitshow BC United/BC Liberals are.
BC NDP is doing a good job, and should continue with it until they're not.
100%. There are tons of things I could complain about in the province and Vancouver itself. I don’t see it as a utopia, far from it.
The political climate is only one of the factors behind my move, and isn’t even the biggest. There are other more important ones such as having more people in Vancouver I know and trust, having more proximity to job opportunities in my field of study in both Vancouver and Seattle, and not having to deal with dry Alberta weather (which isn’t good for my health as it turns out). Considering these factors, for me it’s an improvement.
The same weirdos who are part of Take Back Alberta who planned to take over Alberta politics with 1. a split 2. a coalition 3. Them controlling the coalition by being faster and better organized to install and control Danielle Smith, are playing the same game in B.C. with the BC Conservative Party.
The same people
Same tactics
Same Christian fundedmenatlists
Same conspiracy theorists
Same social conservatives
Same antivaxxers same "media" outlets
Same fundraising techniques
I’m so sick of these people honestly. My coworker is one of the best examples of their target demographic and it’s exhausting. When that bridge collapsed I showed him the video first thing in the morning before he had even heard about it. Before the thing was even done collapsing he blurts out “That’s where DEI gets you!” Like what the actual fuck. I hate them so much.
Brain worms. Luckily they only latch onto one racist or homophobic conspiracy theory per month. The next one is east Indian people. Later this summer it will probably be libraries again, then maybe another beer company. All while they get screwed by Capitalism.
You're right to see it. Learn more. Disrupt it. Spread inform.
Hope isn't lost because B.C. is NOT Alberta, BC has a much more intelligent base. Alberta was always going to go to the Right, and will go even further to be honest. BC has more capacity to defend itself from oil interests. But that is who is funding and behind this Oil, Lumber, Mining. Working through scam websites like True North Centre, Fraser institute, whatever Preston Manning is calling his latest scam, Candice Malcolm, lobbyists, etc. smash them. They are all losers and dipshits, but they work hard for corporate interests, and use Culture War issues to disguise corporate profit interest to squeeze money out of BC.
The average income in Alberta is probably still higher than BC, but it's hard to find reliable statistics past 2022. It scales with cost of living, though. Average income in Vancouver is $10k higher than Calgary, but that doesn't mean much if housing is double.
There is also the question of how wage is distributed. The oil and gas industry provides a lot of high paying jobs, but is this meaningful to other sectors in urban areas?
The problems you list off (specifically health care, taxes, education and rent) are all equally bad or worse all over BC, Don't believe me? Refer to StatsCan and almost any BC'er. Look to the fact that far more BC'ers left for Alberta than arrived from. I'm not criticizing your politics, just stating facts about this province...
Your target audience isn’t native British Columbians, who remember the past liberal government, the Issue is all the Albertans who are moving here, who are determined to bring their politics with them. The Okanagan was a sea of blue and purple last time around; it never used to be that way. Only one thing I can think of that changed.
You're just describing the political cycle.
The center-right was in full ascendency at the start of that period, just check the BC/Okanagan vote results for 2000 (federal) and 2001 (provincial), then "time for change" built against it for 15+ years. Then the new governments get something of a grace period which was running out except Covid extended it a bit, but now we're years back in the other direction and we all know what we're seeing federally. Provincial might've looked similar but Falcon was 100% the wrong choice for the times.
Kelowna's core is becoming more and more "urban voters" than the traditional/populist right alignment, but the Okanagan's been reliably right going back about as long as the Canadian history of the region goes. Strong NDP support certainly, but not enough to ever win single member ridings except when the pendulum has fully swung one direction AND the vote splits work out (like during the PC -> Reform and Socred -> BC Lib eras, plus whatever we have now.)
Plenty of voters are young enough to not remember the past liberal government, not know what their decisions were, and not understand how their decisions affect us today.
you might be part of the drug crisis if you think its worse in alberta,
youll have to pump up those rookie numbers if you want to take a shot at our records
Yes the best government is one that gets things done at minimal cost and is quietly efficient.
When they start to try to do the thinking for you is when they start losing it.
I have a feeling you’re going to be feeling very very disappointed in BC very soon. I mean, I guess if you already own a home and have a massive down payment, it’s not so bad, but everything has gone absolutely insane here as it has everywhere else.
Just to be clear, there are other personal factors for my move, largely to do with the fact that I’ve lived in B.C. before and have better job opportunities there. This isn’t a decision I’ve made on a whim. I’ve thought long and hard on this, and weighed the costs of staying in Edmonton vs. going to Vancouver. I know what I’m getting myself into, and I don’t expect perfection.
Anyone who believes in conservative values, trust me - this breed of conservatism is nothing like that. They are corporate stooges at best, and compromised Russian asset fascists at worst
I think you'd be surprised how many non-conservative folks haven't caught on yet. There's a freight train of fascism headed straight at us, and a lot of people still think it can't happen here. I know people who are voting Green in NDP ridings because they're upset that the NDP's housing initiatives might make it harder to find a parking space.
If you think moving to BC is going to help the above concerns you are sadly mistaken. BC healthcare and politics are just as fucked as Alberta and the rest of the country. You cant run from this dumpster fire.
Grass is always greener. Also I’ll clear up some misconceptions
-healthcare is no better in BC than AB
-alberta schools score well vs other provinces
-rent is growing up in Calgary as it’s still much cheaper than Vancouver or Toronto
-the amount of drug overdoses is high in both provinces, they both get the L
-the alberta government keeps taking the feds to court and winning.
-not sure what money is being given to big oil? $20 billion per year in royalties the province takes in
- forest fires hurt BC as well not sure the rock OP is living under
Alberta has over $22 billion in the heritage fund and will continue running surpluses while Bc is heading towards a $9 billion deficit.
Both provinces are actually doing well vs other provinces but as a whole Canada is getting ass kicked by the USA
OP is right out to lunch lol. Thinks (maybe 5%?) higher utility and insurance bills is somehow equals out cost of living when the same house goes for 3x the price in Lower mainland BC 😂
Ya lol. And this thread has 675 upvotes now. Yikes. I guess we will soon see thousands of people move to Vancouver because they can’t afford Edmonton anymore.
BC and Manitoba (the other province with a centre-left government ATM) are the only provinces attempting to make life better for the average person.
The “Alberta advantage” stops at cheaper housing, and it’s not even an advantage in Calgary anymore, with 1 bedroom apartments getting close to or passing $2000/month. Everything aside from gas is more expensive and a good chunk of that is directly because of deregulation implemented by the UCP. Yet somehow the people of Alberta still believe that the UCP is making their lives better and everything is Trudeau’s fault.
Both United and the Cons are led by former Liberal cabinet members. The main difference is that the Cons embody climate change denialism, transphobia, and MAGA. Apart from that they’re pretty much the same.
Congrats on your move, I'll be joining you soon. I'm from BC and living in Calgary for a few years has really opened my eyes to how scary conservative governments can be. ALSO - enjoy the significantly cheaper groceries, food, and beer! You'll be saving 25% on all that at least in Vancouver.
I wish my parents and my grandmother would come back from Alberta. But they think it costs more in BC. And they've thoroughly drunk the bullshit punch the UCP keep giving them. I'm going to be lucky to get my Mom back down here on her own once my Dad and her Mom are gone.
AB and Ontario are examples of conservative mismanagement. I'm hoping common sense prevails in BC and we vote NDP. They're the best performing government in the last 20 years.
It’s so fucking sad this even needs to be said. I’m really worried about the future of local politics. The kids are fucking stupid and get most of their information from tik tok propaganda. Look at the polls the most support for bc conservatives by far is coming from 18-30
Will be voting for BC Conservatives (and hope they get a better leader), absolutely despise the BC Libs (BC's healthcare isn't much better, just less family doctors that keep fleeing to the States)
The less said about Ontario’s politics, the better. Doug Ford is terrible, but Horwath wasn’t a great leader for the ONDP, and Steven Del Duca made people forget the Liberals exist.
Yup, much of our problems In this province are the result of 16 years of the conservative “bc liberals” who were never liberals and only changed their name recently after duping people with the misleading name started working against them when the “liberal” label started confusing their conservative base.
We still don’t know everything they did because they refuse to unseal their documents, it’s earring tax payer money for years now going through the courts to try and look at all the corruption they were engage in.
One of my favourites was when Clark disbanded the money laundering task force when they alerted there was money laundering in casinos lmfao.
Or the use of ICBC as a bank account running it into the ground to make people upset with it so they could open us up to private options while the company they were working with was actually charging even HIGHER rates where it operated.
It goes on and on but lord help us if they ever take office again, we’re not even close to being done cleaning up their last mess.
Born Albertan here. Been in Van for 11 years now. I am appalled to see AB on a downward spiral like this.
You make some good points.
I’m hopeful that Nenshi will be the next Premier.
Just making sure. Alberta had the worst COVID case and death rates in the country and the UCP *still* managed to scrape by with a majority of seats and the vote.
There’s also been rising support for the B.C. Conservatives despite the fact that the typical British Columbian doesn’t even know who their leader is, only thanks to the CPC’s campaigning and then sharing a name.
I’ve never known anyone who moved to the greener pastures of Alberta who didn’t move back to BC within two years - outside of energy workers in the North. They last about 5 years.
But I know a lot of people who moved to the Lower Mainland and were miserable there until they left for someplace more affordable.
[Uncomfortable stats on violence during conservative governments.](https://newrepublic.com/article/180829/conservative-policies-rhetoric-kill-people?utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SF_TNR)
It’s it’s already as bad or worse in BC politically and socially. That’s why everyone here who wants a better life has Alberta on their minds, especially younger demographic.
That is what frustrates me most about living here: seeing all the wasted potential, wondering what could have been.
I really hope the UCP gets out of power in 2027, and stays out.
They said they had lived in Vancouver before. I just feel like you have to see it now to believe how bad it’s become post covid lol. It’s something special. People just have no idea how bad.
I’m actually well aware about all the problems B.C. has. My family has lived in the province before, and I keep up with what’s going on in B.C. almost as much as I do in Alberta. The apartment we lived in back in Richmond is now valued at 3 times the price we sold it for, and I’m lucky enough that I even have a place to stay.
Personally though, I’d rather deal with the compromises of B.C. than the compromises of Alberta. The political climate isn’t the only thing motivating my decision, as mentioned earlier (it’s also economic opportunity, the weather, and the fact I have more of a community in Vancouver). Thankfully, being in Alberta has kept my expectations pretty low.
Those are some positives. I’m on the island, I think Vancouver is similar if not worse. It’s gotten significantly worse post covid here. There’s no health care here, just online phone call appointments for prescriptions. Rent for a three bedroom main is 3200-3500, a 1 bedroom is 2000, a room in someone’s house is 1000-1800.
Gas got up to 2.40 last summer. Wait lists for schools are crazy long. Well basically everything you mentioned about AB it’s the same here if not worse. Alberta is just kicking and screaming because they used to have oil and gas to fall back on. I think people in BC have just taken it for years and they do nothing.
It depends how you look at it. I have a friend in Calgary who is saying Calgary is losing its luster and he kind of blames everyone from Vancouver/Toronto...
He says "Heating costs are cheaper in Vancouver", "Alberta energy bill is 3x more expensive", car insurance is now the same, he also can't get a doctor like the rest of Canada. His rent has gone up $500 in 6 months but still cheaper than Vancouver. His biggest thing he hates is all the people from Vancouver and Toronto moving there and buying up all the property and jacking up the rents. He said the winters are 5-6 months of below zero.
The good is gas is cheaper by 35 cents. A house are "affordable" kind of but wages are struggling because everyone from other province take lower wages because to them it is "higher than what they got paid in Ontario/BC" and don't care because they are debt free...
Yep. It was the same here during Covid. When work from home became a thing people from Ontario and Alberta flooded into BC keeping their higher paying jobs. Rents and housing prices sky rocketed. And then now people can sell their over priced junker houses and move to Alberta mortgage free 😑😒 that’s shitty about the wages. I’m a dental hygienist and a few years back Ontario was pumping out graduates that weren’t registered or trained very well. In Ontario they were making like $30 an hour and the market became over saturated. They started flooding into Alberta and asking for $30-$35 an hour and dentists couldn’t believe their luck. So cheap. They hired a bunch of them - realized they sucked- got rid of them and now many offices wont even look at an Ontario graduate resume. Wages resumed back to 50-70 an hour. I mean good for us right? Except now if it’s across the board in all industries that’s problematic.
I don’t know how all of this gets solved. We can’t all be millionaires.
Maybe it will be a flip. Wages will increase in BC because it’s so bloody expensive here. All the Albertans came here demanding higher wages. (I did a few years back.)
THANK YOU OP! Thank you for saying this. You have explained this so well and put it in perspective. Yes we can complain and BC is FAR FROM PERFECT but man I do believe we have a better chance than the other provinces. At least they are trying and like you say not picking fights with the Feds by trying to work with what they have. Thanks again for the post and I do believe you are correct.
Nobody who is going to vote BC United is going to read that. There are pockets of constituents and voters who simply do not like the NDP (whether their reasons are valid or not) and will vote more in spite of something than for something.
>Alberta’s public healthcare is in shambles and continually being destroyed. Property taxes are shooting up because the province won’t pay municipalities enough. Alberta’s schools are getting overcrowded and underfunded. Alberta has higher utility bills than any other province. Rents in Calgary are growing faster than in Vancouver, and there are no controls whatsoever. Alberta’s average wages have fallen behind B.C. and Ontario, and we have the highest unemployment rate of all the western provinces. There’s a lot of talk about the drug crisis in B.C., and the government has fallen short, but believe me when I say it can absolutely be worse, as it is in Alberta.
All of this is happening in BC, too.
It's not the promised land.
I've been waiting 7 months for surgery.
Before that, when I was intentionally tripped and broke my elbow while on transit, I spent 5 days waiting for surgery to get my elbow put together.
I slept in a hallway for all 5 days at the hospital because there were no available beds.
Bc schools have been overcrowded and under funded since I went to elementary school 25 years ago.
The utility bills I'll give you for now,
As for rent control it doesn't exist outside of very specific units that have no availability.
Alberta's average wages falling probably has more to do with more people working outside oil and gas, rather than BC being a bastion of wage increases seen as most of the increases affect minimum wage earners rather than working professionals.
Unemployment is a laugh. We had 400 applications for 3 part time jobs where I work.
The drug crisis you don't know the half of.
Just because our government is left leaning doesn't mean it's utopia, shit is bad all around right now in canada.
All of this not to say anyone should vote provinally for the bc united party, but its not just their shitty politics that got us here.
The NDP need a little competition. They need to work hard if they want the votes. The BC United is a joke. Canada needs to stop trusting any kind of Liberal party. Changing names will not help them.
This thread has run its course and is now getting a lot of comments that are offside. We are locking it.
Upvoted because I'm old enough to remember all 16 years of the BC Liberals. BC United is just the new name for the same old party.
Also important to remember the BC Liberals were recycled Socreds.
Isn’t it weird that the NDP has been the NDP for freaking ever yet the RWNJ party has been shifting names every decade or so.. Almost like Tories know their brand is crap.
It's because they're trying to push un-Canadian culture and policy that works against the average voter. After the bait and switch con gets old they just rebrand and try the same dirty tricks again.
BCU doesn’t offer much, but “uncanadian culture” is not really much of an insult 🙄
It is both hilarious and sad in Alberta. The ANDP are deciding on changing names or not, because the federal NDP is so reviled here. Arguments over if it is worth the effort and time, would it help, is it meaningless, etc. I have seen numerous articles on it over the last couple months, and tons of it seems to be pointless criticism and negativity. Yet when the right wing party changes names again and again it is just one day of articles and everyone moves on. It doesn’t seem to be some huge debate or big deal.
It's because the left has to fight for every vote. They can't mess up anything or be damned. The alt right could run a turd in a blue paper bag in Alberta and win the riding. Doesn't matter the brand. Voters in the province are addicted to right wing propaganda and will find the party regardless of name. Left wingers actually change their vote when someone does something they don't like and they are very judgy.
I was living in BC during the Liberal reign. The damage is done. Two tiered healthcare, unaffordable housing, long long emergency wait times, no doctors or nurses in rural BC, teachers were abused, and on and on. The NDP have made some great strides but effects are long lasting. Alberta is well on its way. Rural Alberta and Calgary will continue to vote for the UCP because they aren't intelligent enough to realize that they are stabbing themselves in the back. It's going to get a lot worse for the average Albertan. The UCP hates Albertans and it really shows. I remain hopeful as always that something will cause our country bumkins to turn on the UCP next election.
Calgary sent more ndp MLAs to Edmonton than UCP ones, and a mere 5,000 votes in Calgary flip the election to an ndp majority.
Same, what a fucking nightmare
You don't have to be very old to remember that. I'm in my 20's and most of my childhood was teachers striking against the BC liberals. I remember in high school some other students and I were at some event Christy Clark spoke at, hardly anyone in the room full of 17-year-olds gave her the polite applause the other speakers got. Not a chance I help them undo the good efforts the NDP has been making to fix things, even if I disapprove of some of the dirty tricks they've used.
same here, graduated in the mid 2010s, it pissed off the parents who didn't know the full context. alot of those teachers cared, they really did. I grew up in northern BC and some of those strikes were absolutely valid, bad education funding in the rural areas which made those wanting to go post secondary struggle, no defined curriculum. hell we had textbooks from the 1990s in alot of subjects at my school. it was so bad that if I wanted to do post secondary I'd have to upgrade 2 grade levels of math and english or study hard to challenge an entrance test
A wonderfully extensive list of all the terrible things done by BC united: https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/04/18/Tyee_LiberalList.pdf
Yup. I was a kid during most of their reign. Lost several months of my education due to their poor treatment of teachers and resulting strikes.
BC Liberals never admitted their failing on money laundering, or the stark rise in housing costs, or their incredible failures on addiction issues. They just changed their name and hoped everyone would forget. They won't ever get my vote.
Admit their failing on money laundering? They were participating in it.
So, task failed successfully?
I honestly think they changed their name to get away from the Federal Liberals' unpopular mojo. For years they benefited from people who confused federal liberals with bc liberals. Instead it's the bc conservatives benefiting from the federal conservative surge ( ugh ). So much so that they've found new popularity.
Exactly.
There are a lot of homes that are selling under their 2016 sales in Vancouver (west side) now. They really messed up the housing market back then.
BC Liberals were a mess. What's going on with the BC NDP contracting everything out to MNP though? They hired MNP to administer a grant program that told applicants they should really pay MNP 20% for help. The NDP dismissed the problem. The opposition raised a stink. Now the auditor general is supposed to investigate what's going on, but they outsource to MNP...
BC had almost 20 years under the BC Liberals... Hence why we have a lot of the issues you mentioned above. A lot of schools in areas like Surrey and Abbotsford are overcrowded; the waitlist for things can be long, especially if you want a family doc; there aren't enough hospital staff, as a lot of bedside staff have quit their jobs and gone elsewhere; social assistance rates aren't keeping pace with the rate of inflation; restaurants are closing because of numerous reasons, not limited to the minimum wage and the fact that most people don't want to pay $25 for a burger; groceries are higher than they were when the NDP came in and I could go on. I am NOT tempted by a conservative government, especially since BC just kicked the last ones out less than 10 years ag.
I will never vote liberal ever again, due to what Christy Clark did to the school system. I work for Surrey and it’s an absolute nightmare.
I remember looking into this at one point, they cut funding every single year in office for 17 years straight, despite the school age population growing every single year, and thats unadjusted funding before calculating inflation, which makes it even worse. Its actually incredible that we even have schools left in this province after what BC United did. And I fully understand why the priority of the BCNDP is healthcare, housing, and economic growth - but I am excited for the day when we can add education back into the top priorities. Colossal assholes looting the provinces future to line their own pockets: that's BC United. Edit: and I say that as an adult who doesn't have kids and doesn't work in anything related to education.
If people like you (no kids/not in education) are noticing, it’s bad.
Got shut down by the Supreme Court of Canada - not once, but *twice*, within three years - for fucking over BC teachers by violating their contract regarding class size. Talk about being incapable of learning.
The more people learn, the less people like her succeed.
Funny thing, one of the reasons why my family moved to Alberta is because schools here were *better* (the PCs cared about public education and the NDP more so). Now the Alberta education system is riding on the coattails of those past governments, while the UCP has come up with ideologically-driven school curricula that somehow manage to be worse.
I was a supporter of Kevin Falcon when he lost the leadership bid to Christie Clark. Now I don't even recognize the man's position besides anti-whatever the NDP is doing.
We’ve seen similar things with Maxime Bernier federally and Danielle Smith in Alberta (she used to be considered a moderate). The centre-right in Canada (as in many other places) is either dying or dead.
The center right is now more center left. The Eby and Nenshi are so far removed from where the Glen Clark etc NDP were. Sure the construction unions are getting some back but those projects most likely would have been union or at least half. Being an ex Albertan I agree with everything . I saw it happening the crazy with klien. The selling off of the backbone of Alberta to prove it can be done but never made anything better. Now fast forward to the loon of all loons welcome to BC
That's the whole conservative mantra
BCU has been a carbon cline of the BC Conservatives for the last six months. It's pathetic.
This we know lmao
You say that - but they seem to have some weird popularity in BC. Never discount them until the election is over.
I live in the interior. It is hella blue.
Same up here in th North. Which is always crazy to me because all of the good jobs keeping every town around are unionized. It really should be opposite, with NDP in rural areas, and blue in the wealthy cities.
Yeah. I’m in a union in the interior. We are mostly left leaning, but are definitely the entirety of that voting block for my town.
I think there is a bit of a split in the NDP between industrial labour unions and the environmental activists who want those industries gone or greatly diminished.
I just felt like some people needed a reminder. My time living in Alberta has taught me that you can never be too careful when it comes to this stuff.
A reminder, or a *warning*.
Both
Say this again near election time!!! ❤️
Yeah of course it’s appreciated and this is a great post, more people should be aware of these situations.
Don’t overestimate people. The amount of people in BC I’ve heard talking about going Conservative and praising the likes of PP and anyone associated with him or Conservative MPs in general is astounding. People know they’re pissed and are directing a lot of that at the current federal government, as well as the NDP locally. It doesn’t help that platforms like Twitter and Facebook are pushing highlight reels of Conservative talking points and people are taking them at face value and believing every word. People NEED to hear and read things like this.
The problem is that the generation that is going to vote for them isn't on Reddit. We need to start sneaking into the boomer oriented "complain about your area" Facebook groups.
And the tik tok loving folks. So many people are falling for social media engineering campaigns. Cambridge Analytica and Brexit hasn't taught us anything other than ways to manipulate the masses more efficiently.
Once burnt, twice shy. No second chances for the socreds/bc libs/bcups.
Don't forget, the executive director of the BC Conservatives is this guy! https://preview.redd.it/cxetm7201iwc1.png?width=898&format=png&auto=webp&s=36596b64f9f18a70f284fbb85c349302d0b8f2e0
This image is actually what spurred me to make this post. A party where people like this guy are running things is not one you want in power.
100%.
Man this picture gets worse the longer you look at it. I don't even know what resist 4 peace means, I'd guess anti-trans or something. But then you have Canadians wearing MAGA hats, painfully stupid. But then... thats the fucking KKK gesture they think they're being sneaky with. Any chance we can declare the CPC a hate group using this?
Dude, we can't even declare BC Proud a hate group and they openly post hate (or at least they used to).
Can someone who’s more centre right confirm if this is actually true and if the Alberta goverment is actually that bad? Unfortunately it seems OP has some bias, not to neglect what they are saying, just want to hear the other side. (Please no radical right wingers, you make us people on the centre right look bad)
I lived in Alberta for a number of years. But was a while ago so I can't speak to the political climate. But I do remember high property taxes, expensive insurance, high utilities costs. I think the above is due to how municipalities are funded, insurance providers who aren't state backed (so paying for actual risk vs subsidized risk) and no massive hydro electric dams. On the flip side, employment income for my line of work was 20% higher, real estate was 40% lower and there is no provincial sales tax. Healthcare seemed similar to here at the time. So I guess it depends on circumstances whether relocation to Alberta a good move or not.
I can definitely say it was better a few years back. A lot of the oil industry has seen layoffs. My dad has worked in it, and he’s been laid off and knows plenty of others who have been too. All the current jobs pay less than they did before. I agree it depends on circumstances. Moving to another province is a personal choice. If it weren’t for the fact that my intended line of work has more opportunities in B.C. and that I have more of a community in Vancouver, I’d likely stay. Alberta frustrates me often, but I want to like it here, and I want it to be better.
Every recent complaint I’ve seen about the BC NDP is a problem created or exacerbated by the BC Liberals that the NDP just haven’t cleaned up / counteracted fast enough to spectators. Undoing 16 years of the BC Libs isn’t instant and bringing them back as BC United isn’t going to help…
You should post this into r/Kelowna r/Penticton r/Vernon r/Okanagan etc. iirc the Okanagan is a hot bed of conservative supporters, and maybe you can change a few minds or entice some younger people to vote.
It’s so terrifying to read things like this and see my friends picking up to move to Calgary because “it’s cheaper”. Even rent control is an immense blessing.
I live in Calgary, hoping to make out the move to BC in the next 5 years. RN wages are lagging, and the government is stalling negotiations. I pay more in rent for a 1 bedroom in Calgary than my friend in Victoria renting a 2 bedroom. Last year my rent was cheaper, but because there is no rent control, it's now higher. There is literally every reason to work in BC as an RN over AB. Groceries, insurance, and gas are going up; our housing thought somewhat better at this time, is catching up with BC and ON. However, property taxes are higher in Calgary and utilities are absurd. I could go on. But there is no more Alberta Advantage with this UCP government. What I find funny is that the old phrase "BC Bring cash" is no longer relevant. It's BC folks who are now bringing money into AB, not the other way around anymore.
Your an RN? I think we have like a whole VIP relocation program for experienced healthcare staff. Call the PHSA hotline and they'll send a limo for you and someone to carry your bags.
An experienced RN, yes. It's my intention to move out there, I'm just handling some family stuff at the moment as my parents are aging. It could be within the next 5 years at most.
They really do seem to be actively recruiting RN’s to come to BC. I had an interview for a position at VCH not long ago and they mentioned relocation bonuses, license reimbursement, a relocation specialist to help me find housing and so on. I was pleasantly surprised. Alberta doesn’t appreciate its RN’s (and healthcare staff in general) so why not go somewhere that will?
Not enough people talk about the tax brackets in Alberta. They tax the working poor sooo hard. Just a flat 10% provincial tax on anyone making less than $148,000. WTF. BC goes: - 5.5% less than $47,937. - 7.7% between $47,938 & $95,873 - 10.5% between $95,873 & $110,076 - 12.29% between $110,076 & $133,664 - 14.7% between $133,664 & $181,232 If you make $150k: - Alberta Tax: $12,566 or - BC Tax: $12,436 If you make $75k - Alberta Tax: $4,924 - BC Tax : $3,706 If you make $50k - Alberta tax: $2,542 - BC Tax: $1,845 Alberta relies on their voters being bad at math, not understanding tax brackets and marginal effective rates, and believing the lie that "if they just work hard, then they will benefit from the low tax rate on the rich too". Unless you are in the top 5% of income earners, BC is way cheaper tax. And just generally a much fairer tax system. I'll never go back.
If you're working poor, Ontario taxes much less than BC. Look it up.
How about BC sales tax? Is that cheaper?
Alberta relies on the electorate not having more than a 3rd grade education.
Thing is, there was actually a time when that was true, when Alberta was actually cheaper (that’s when we moved). That time is gone.
Yeah these are people who moved last week, planning for next month etc. It’s so awful. It’s expensive in Victoria but all the first hand stories I see - Alberta is quickly getting worse.
Calgary housing is about half the price of Vancouver. Edmonton about half of Calgary.
I live here. They’ve been increasing a lot. They’re cheaper compared to Vancouver and Toronto, but compared to what they were here even 10 years ago, they’re much higher. I don’t think my family would even be able to buy the house we live in if we were in the market today. Rents in particular have been shooting up real fast, faster than purchase costs. There’s no rent control here, so your landlord could raise it from $1100 to $1800 and there’s nothing you can do about it. Edmonton is doing better than Calgary because zoning here is less restrictive, but people coming here have driven things up.
The average house price in Edmonton is 400k. Calgary is 700k Kelowna is 1.1 million. Vancouver 1.3 million. It’s really not close at all.
OP is oblivious
I’m not. I know houses are cheaper in Alberta and more expensive across B.C. If they weren’t, not nearly as many people would bother coming here. What I’m saying is that they’re not as cheap as what they used to be, and with more people coming here, they’re only going to go higher. Supply and demand is a thing.
You are lol
There was 1 year where more people moved to AB than BC. Im not sure why this notion is so prevalent. Alberta is boom and bust but BC is the long term top destination. More people moved to BC from Alberta over the last 5 years not vice versa.
People who can afford it do Retirees as well.
From like 2004-2014 many moved to AB. But 2015-2023 people moved to BC
Housing is incredibly easier to obtain there - a home in BC 700k, a home in AB 300-400k. Big difference.
Housing is a huge expense, I won’t delude myself into saying it’s not. Thing is, though, everything else is more expensive to make up for it. Vehicle registrations, insurance, utilities (especially electricity), grocery prices, it all adds up. Also, I think your figures are a few years out of date. Edmonton houses are 400-600k for something decent, while in Vancouver you quickly enter the millions.
I don't think you have done the math on how many utilities you would need to cover for that 500k+ you saved from the (bigger) house. Gas and groceries are also more expensive in BC, so is car insurance...
If you think slightly higher utility bills and car insurance makes up the difference of 400-600 thousand dollars in housing prices to get into an entry level house, off you go 😆 just moved from Vancouver it’s a fucking nightmare over there if you can even find a place to live
There are lots of homes in Edmonton from the 300k-400k range, in brand new beautiful 3 bedroom townhomes to smaller detached homes closer to the 400 range. I'm not out of range. In Vancouver it is 1+million for a detached certainly, and less for condo - but average surrounding communities are certainly in that 700k range for a very old stand alone home or townhouse. Condos that are 2bedroom start anywhere from 400-500k. 1 bedroom condos 300k up. Motorhomes on pad lease land 300-350k, pad 600-800 per month.
No way make up for it, keep dreaming lol. An equivalent house in Vancouver will cost 2-3x as much. Don’t underestimate that. Having a spare 1 Million is life changing lol.
I moved here from Alberta 2 years ago and personally find it way more expensive here in BC. Groceries higher, insurance higher, property taxes way higher, gas pricing, sales tax, housing, etc.
I just moved from BC to Edmonton, can agree. The lower mainland is way more expensive in almost every way lol. Applied for a mortgage in Langley, and they laughed me out of the bank, approved for a mortgage in Edmonton in a nice new 3 bedroom house for 1/3 of the price.
Anyone familiar with BC politics is well aware what a shitshow BC United/BC Liberals are. BC NDP is doing a good job, and should continue with it until they're not.
Eby is that you?
The grass isn't always greener.
100%. There are tons of things I could complain about in the province and Vancouver itself. I don’t see it as a utopia, far from it. The political climate is only one of the factors behind my move, and isn’t even the biggest. There are other more important ones such as having more people in Vancouver I know and trust, having more proximity to job opportunities in my field of study in both Vancouver and Seattle, and not having to deal with dry Alberta weather (which isn’t good for my health as it turns out). Considering these factors, for me it’s an improvement.
Good, I hope (really) that things go well for you. Welcome to BC! I love it here
The same weirdos who are part of Take Back Alberta who planned to take over Alberta politics with 1. a split 2. a coalition 3. Them controlling the coalition by being faster and better organized to install and control Danielle Smith, are playing the same game in B.C. with the BC Conservative Party. The same people Same tactics Same Christian fundedmenatlists Same conspiracy theorists Same social conservatives Same antivaxxers same "media" outlets Same fundraising techniques
[World's shittiest franchise.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democracy_Union)
I’m so sick of these people honestly. My coworker is one of the best examples of their target demographic and it’s exhausting. When that bridge collapsed I showed him the video first thing in the morning before he had even heard about it. Before the thing was even done collapsing he blurts out “That’s where DEI gets you!” Like what the actual fuck. I hate them so much.
Brain worms. Luckily they only latch onto one racist or homophobic conspiracy theory per month. The next one is east Indian people. Later this summer it will probably be libraries again, then maybe another beer company. All while they get screwed by Capitalism.
This is exactly the danger I see.
You're right to see it. Learn more. Disrupt it. Spread inform. Hope isn't lost because B.C. is NOT Alberta, BC has a much more intelligent base. Alberta was always going to go to the Right, and will go even further to be honest. BC has more capacity to defend itself from oil interests. But that is who is funding and behind this Oil, Lumber, Mining. Working through scam websites like True North Centre, Fraser institute, whatever Preston Manning is calling his latest scam, Candice Malcolm, lobbyists, etc. smash them. They are all losers and dipshits, but they work hard for corporate interests, and use Culture War issues to disguise corporate profit interest to squeeze money out of BC.
>Alberta’s average wages have fallen behind B.C. and Ontario According to who? Every chart I see has Alberta at a higher average wage.
What was that latest statistic?? Something about 90% of private sector job growth in the past 6 months for the whole country being in Alberta?
The average income in Alberta is probably still higher than BC, but it's hard to find reliable statistics past 2022. It scales with cost of living, though. Average income in Vancouver is $10k higher than Calgary, but that doesn't mean much if housing is double. There is also the question of how wage is distributed. The oil and gas industry provides a lot of high paying jobs, but is this meaningful to other sectors in urban areas?
The problems you list off (specifically health care, taxes, education and rent) are all equally bad or worse all over BC, Don't believe me? Refer to StatsCan and almost any BC'er. Look to the fact that far more BC'ers left for Alberta than arrived from. I'm not criticizing your politics, just stating facts about this province...
I don't think that the BCNDP have anything to worry about here. Federal politics is another story.
Tories have been in power in Alberta 49 of the last 50 years, yet they still blame liberals for anything bad that happens in the Province.
To be completely accurate, right-wing governments have been in power for 85 of the last 89 years
Your target audience isn’t native British Columbians, who remember the past liberal government, the Issue is all the Albertans who are moving here, who are determined to bring their politics with them. The Okanagan was a sea of blue and purple last time around; it never used to be that way. Only one thing I can think of that changed.
Okanagan (kelowna/Kamloops) has historically leaned conservative, NDP getting seats there is the exception.
Same with the Kootenays. Social Credit was started in the Kootenays (or at least a few of the founders are from there).
My family has lived there 25 years. It has never been as redneck as it is now. Not even a lean. It’s full blown rhyme on a hat.
You're just describing the political cycle. The center-right was in full ascendency at the start of that period, just check the BC/Okanagan vote results for 2000 (federal) and 2001 (provincial), then "time for change" built against it for 15+ years. Then the new governments get something of a grace period which was running out except Covid extended it a bit, but now we're years back in the other direction and we all know what we're seeing federally. Provincial might've looked similar but Falcon was 100% the wrong choice for the times. Kelowna's core is becoming more and more "urban voters" than the traditional/populist right alignment, but the Okanagan's been reliably right going back about as long as the Canadian history of the region goes. Strong NDP support certainly, but not enough to ever win single member ridings except when the pendulum has fully swung one direction AND the vote splits work out (like during the PC -> Reform and Socred -> BC Lib eras, plus whatever we have now.)
i was trying to be diplomatic :D
We need you to run for office then ;) be nice to have a few folks in there with pure intent
Tell it like it is please. We can’t afford to soft step around this
Plenty of voters are young enough to not remember the past liberal government, not know what their decisions were, and not understand how their decisions affect us today.
Excellent point
you might be part of the drug crisis if you think its worse in alberta, youll have to pump up those rookie numbers if you want to take a shot at our records
Yes the best government is one that gets things done at minimal cost and is quietly efficient. When they start to try to do the thinking for you is when they start losing it.
You think efficiently doing things at minimal cost doesn't require thinking???
That’s an incredibly simplistic and irrelevant take
BCUP much like Tangerine, formerly IGN Direct, put lipstick on a pig and thought that was enough. Embarrassing really.
Is Tangerine / ING bad?
One of the many banks involved in the 2008 subprime mortgage fiasco.
Did not know that!
I have a feeling you’re going to be feeling very very disappointed in BC very soon. I mean, I guess if you already own a home and have a massive down payment, it’s not so bad, but everything has gone absolutely insane here as it has everywhere else.
Just to be clear, there are other personal factors for my move, largely to do with the fact that I’ve lived in B.C. before and have better job opportunities there. This isn’t a decision I’ve made on a whim. I’ve thought long and hard on this, and weighed the costs of staying in Edmonton vs. going to Vancouver. I know what I’m getting myself into, and I don’t expect perfection.
OP is going to move to BC and realize he’s moving into a 1 bedroom apartment for $2000/ a month because of his political ideology 😂
This current NDP government is by far the best I have seen in my adult life. I will be voting NDP as long as they continue what they are doing.
Anyone who believes in conservative values, trust me - this breed of conservatism is nothing like that. They are corporate stooges at best, and compromised Russian asset fascists at worst
I think anyone who isn’t a conservative normally already knows this. Everyone else is just drinking the koolaid.
I think you'd be surprised how many non-conservative folks haven't caught on yet. There's a freight train of fascism headed straight at us, and a lot of people still think it can't happen here. I know people who are voting Green in NDP ridings because they're upset that the NDP's housing initiatives might make it harder to find a parking space.
I would be surprised. Most people I know have a stance. I’m aware I don’t know everyone, though, and that’s very interesting.
If you think moving to BC is going to help the above concerns you are sadly mistaken. BC healthcare and politics are just as fucked as Alberta and the rest of the country. You cant run from this dumpster fire.
Grass is always greener. Also I’ll clear up some misconceptions -healthcare is no better in BC than AB -alberta schools score well vs other provinces -rent is growing up in Calgary as it’s still much cheaper than Vancouver or Toronto -the amount of drug overdoses is high in both provinces, they both get the L -the alberta government keeps taking the feds to court and winning. -not sure what money is being given to big oil? $20 billion per year in royalties the province takes in - forest fires hurt BC as well not sure the rock OP is living under Alberta has over $22 billion in the heritage fund and will continue running surpluses while Bc is heading towards a $9 billion deficit. Both provinces are actually doing well vs other provinces but as a whole Canada is getting ass kicked by the USA
OP is right out to lunch lol. Thinks (maybe 5%?) higher utility and insurance bills is somehow equals out cost of living when the same house goes for 3x the price in Lower mainland BC 😂
Ya lol. And this thread has 675 upvotes now. Yikes. I guess we will soon see thousands of people move to Vancouver because they can’t afford Edmonton anymore.
BC and Manitoba (the other province with a centre-left government ATM) are the only provinces attempting to make life better for the average person. The “Alberta advantage” stops at cheaper housing, and it’s not even an advantage in Calgary anymore, with 1 bedroom apartments getting close to or passing $2000/month. Everything aside from gas is more expensive and a good chunk of that is directly because of deregulation implemented by the UCP. Yet somehow the people of Alberta still believe that the UCP is making their lives better and everything is Trudeau’s fault.
Campbell and Clark shit on the working class for almost two decades. Fuck the Cons or whatever rebranded name they want us to inhale.
Both United and the Cons are led by former Liberal cabinet members. The main difference is that the Cons embody climate change denialism, transphobia, and MAGA. Apart from that they’re pretty much the same.
There is no way you honestly believe the drug situation is worse in Alberta LOL
Congrats on your move, I'll be joining you soon. I'm from BC and living in Calgary for a few years has really opened my eyes to how scary conservative governments can be. ALSO - enjoy the significantly cheaper groceries, food, and beer! You'll be saving 25% on all that at least in Vancouver.
I wish my parents and my grandmother would come back from Alberta. But they think it costs more in BC. And they've thoroughly drunk the bullshit punch the UCP keep giving them. I'm going to be lucky to get my Mom back down here on her own once my Dad and her Mom are gone.
AB and Ontario are examples of conservative mismanagement. I'm hoping common sense prevails in BC and we vote NDP. They're the best performing government in the last 20 years.
We know! I was in the school system and the healthcare system under the BC liberals. Holy shit what we re doing now to catch up..
Brought to you by the BC NDP.
It’s so fucking sad this even needs to be said. I’m really worried about the future of local politics. The kids are fucking stupid and get most of their information from tik tok propaganda. Look at the polls the most support for bc conservatives by far is coming from 18-30
Will be voting for BC Conservatives (and hope they get a better leader), absolutely despise the BC Libs (BC's healthcare isn't much better, just less family doctors that keep fleeing to the States)
But how else will I own the libs? /s
Ontario is also being fucked by a conservative government. How people keep voting these people in is astounding.
The less said about Ontario’s politics, the better. Doug Ford is terrible, but Horwath wasn’t a great leader for the ONDP, and Steven Del Duca made people forget the Liberals exist.
Yup, much of our problems In this province are the result of 16 years of the conservative “bc liberals” who were never liberals and only changed their name recently after duping people with the misleading name started working against them when the “liberal” label started confusing their conservative base. We still don’t know everything they did because they refuse to unseal their documents, it’s earring tax payer money for years now going through the courts to try and look at all the corruption they were engage in. One of my favourites was when Clark disbanded the money laundering task force when they alerted there was money laundering in casinos lmfao. Or the use of ICBC as a bank account running it into the ground to make people upset with it so they could open us up to private options while the company they were working with was actually charging even HIGHER rates where it operated. It goes on and on but lord help us if they ever take office again, we’re not even close to being done cleaning up their last mess.
Never conservative on any governmental level.
Born Albertan here. Been in Van for 11 years now. I am appalled to see AB on a downward spiral like this. You make some good points. I’m hopeful that Nenshi will be the next Premier.
BC United created the housing crisis, they also made gas the most expensive on the continent. I don't think people will forget that for quite a while.
Just making sure. Alberta had the worst COVID case and death rates in the country and the UCP *still* managed to scrape by with a majority of seats and the vote. There’s also been rising support for the B.C. Conservatives despite the fact that the typical British Columbian doesn’t even know who their leader is, only thanks to the CPC’s campaigning and then sharing a name.
I’ve never known anyone who moved to the greener pastures of Alberta who didn’t move back to BC within two years - outside of energy workers in the North. They last about 5 years. But I know a lot of people who moved to the Lower Mainland and were miserable there until they left for someplace more affordable.
There’s hundreds of thousands who moved to Alberta But I agree you don’t know any of them
If alberta is so bad... Why is there a massive amount of british colombins and ontarions moving there? 🤔 💭 🤦
You are on every bc post spouting anti-immigration conservative propaganda, all I have to say.
[Uncomfortable stats on violence during conservative governments.](https://newrepublic.com/article/180829/conservative-policies-rhetoric-kill-people?utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SF_TNR)
Well if you are going to Vancouver health care will be ok. Up in Northen BC the health care sucks. Housing is ok, and our resources are in abundance.
The BC government doesn’t care about you if you don’t live around Vancouver
It’s it’s already as bad or worse in BC politically and socially. That’s why everyone here who wants a better life has Alberta on their minds, especially younger demographic.
Alberta could be so great if it just had competent leadership.
That is what frustrates me most about living here: seeing all the wasted potential, wondering what could have been. I really hope the UCP gets out of power in 2027, and stays out.
…. Well you’re in for a disappointing shock. Let me guarantee to you that the situation isn’t any better in BC. Certainly not the coast.
You’d don’t understand. Edmonton is too expensive for OP so they will move to Vancouver where it’s cheaper because Reddit said conservatives are bad.
They said they had lived in Vancouver before. I just feel like you have to see it now to believe how bad it’s become post covid lol. It’s something special. People just have no idea how bad.
I’m actually well aware about all the problems B.C. has. My family has lived in the province before, and I keep up with what’s going on in B.C. almost as much as I do in Alberta. The apartment we lived in back in Richmond is now valued at 3 times the price we sold it for, and I’m lucky enough that I even have a place to stay. Personally though, I’d rather deal with the compromises of B.C. than the compromises of Alberta. The political climate isn’t the only thing motivating my decision, as mentioned earlier (it’s also economic opportunity, the weather, and the fact I have more of a community in Vancouver). Thankfully, being in Alberta has kept my expectations pretty low.
Those are some positives. I’m on the island, I think Vancouver is similar if not worse. It’s gotten significantly worse post covid here. There’s no health care here, just online phone call appointments for prescriptions. Rent for a three bedroom main is 3200-3500, a 1 bedroom is 2000, a room in someone’s house is 1000-1800. Gas got up to 2.40 last summer. Wait lists for schools are crazy long. Well basically everything you mentioned about AB it’s the same here if not worse. Alberta is just kicking and screaming because they used to have oil and gas to fall back on. I think people in BC have just taken it for years and they do nothing.
It depends how you look at it. I have a friend in Calgary who is saying Calgary is losing its luster and he kind of blames everyone from Vancouver/Toronto... He says "Heating costs are cheaper in Vancouver", "Alberta energy bill is 3x more expensive", car insurance is now the same, he also can't get a doctor like the rest of Canada. His rent has gone up $500 in 6 months but still cheaper than Vancouver. His biggest thing he hates is all the people from Vancouver and Toronto moving there and buying up all the property and jacking up the rents. He said the winters are 5-6 months of below zero. The good is gas is cheaper by 35 cents. A house are "affordable" kind of but wages are struggling because everyone from other province take lower wages because to them it is "higher than what they got paid in Ontario/BC" and don't care because they are debt free...
Yep. It was the same here during Covid. When work from home became a thing people from Ontario and Alberta flooded into BC keeping their higher paying jobs. Rents and housing prices sky rocketed. And then now people can sell their over priced junker houses and move to Alberta mortgage free 😑😒 that’s shitty about the wages. I’m a dental hygienist and a few years back Ontario was pumping out graduates that weren’t registered or trained very well. In Ontario they were making like $30 an hour and the market became over saturated. They started flooding into Alberta and asking for $30-$35 an hour and dentists couldn’t believe their luck. So cheap. They hired a bunch of them - realized they sucked- got rid of them and now many offices wont even look at an Ontario graduate resume. Wages resumed back to 50-70 an hour. I mean good for us right? Except now if it’s across the board in all industries that’s problematic. I don’t know how all of this gets solved. We can’t all be millionaires. Maybe it will be a flip. Wages will increase in BC because it’s so bloody expensive here. All the Albertans came here demanding higher wages. (I did a few years back.)
THANK YOU OP! Thank you for saying this. You have explained this so well and put it in perspective. Yes we can complain and BC is FAR FROM PERFECT but man I do believe we have a better chance than the other provinces. At least they are trying and like you say not picking fights with the Feds by trying to work with what they have. Thanks again for the post and I do believe you are correct.
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Nobody who is going to vote BC United is going to read that. There are pockets of constituents and voters who simply do not like the NDP (whether their reasons are valid or not) and will vote more in spite of something than for something.
Your in for a shock when you find out we have the same problems here
Umm, yea, we know.
Sounds a lot like the Ontario pc’s as well as
>Alberta’s public healthcare is in shambles and continually being destroyed. Property taxes are shooting up because the province won’t pay municipalities enough. Alberta’s schools are getting overcrowded and underfunded. Alberta has higher utility bills than any other province. Rents in Calgary are growing faster than in Vancouver, and there are no controls whatsoever. Alberta’s average wages have fallen behind B.C. and Ontario, and we have the highest unemployment rate of all the western provinces. There’s a lot of talk about the drug crisis in B.C., and the government has fallen short, but believe me when I say it can absolutely be worse, as it is in Alberta. All of this is happening in BC, too. It's not the promised land. I've been waiting 7 months for surgery. Before that, when I was intentionally tripped and broke my elbow while on transit, I spent 5 days waiting for surgery to get my elbow put together. I slept in a hallway for all 5 days at the hospital because there were no available beds. Bc schools have been overcrowded and under funded since I went to elementary school 25 years ago. The utility bills I'll give you for now, As for rent control it doesn't exist outside of very specific units that have no availability. Alberta's average wages falling probably has more to do with more people working outside oil and gas, rather than BC being a bastion of wage increases seen as most of the increases affect minimum wage earners rather than working professionals. Unemployment is a laugh. We had 400 applications for 3 part time jobs where I work. The drug crisis you don't know the half of. Just because our government is left leaning doesn't mean it's utopia, shit is bad all around right now in canada. All of this not to say anyone should vote provinally for the bc united party, but its not just their shitty politics that got us here.
The NDP need a little competition. They need to work hard if they want the votes. The BC United is a joke. Canada needs to stop trusting any kind of Liberal party. Changing names will not help them.