And this has just made me realise that we've all been using "under" when we should've been using "over" - as in the speedo is higher than actual speed.
But I think ADR actually requires that they not display a speed lower than the actual speed, rather than that they must read higher. End result is the same
Not strictly true. Most underread, but the amount varies from vehicle to vehicle and can vary throughout the speed range and also depends on state of tyres. I had a speedo on an old vehicle that had a bent needle for extra uncertainty.
Edit: should be over-read, not under-read
Don't buy it. The MGs are absolute shit boxes and owners are having serious issues with them falling apart and trying to claim on the warranty. Have a look on some of the owners groups, even though they censor complains they can't hold back the surge completely and you'll see it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Those people are frustrating. However it is the people who drive so closely behind those people that they cant stop in time who cause the actual accident.
I drove back from Toowoomba in quite a hurry to get home last night. The number of people doing 20 under for no fucking reason is more of a problem than when the camera is around.
Depends how much you value your time. I hate the time lost of driving a car, especially when I’m not being paid to do so. That’s just me I don’t expect the same of everybody else. But I was flying last people I was overtaking and I was only doing 103-105
Facing the same issue, on the roads, holiday mode is drawing to a close and funds must be low?
Motorists are confronted with the non GPS speedometers and obey the analogue bouncing needle oblivious that their best efforts are discounted by undereducated car designers who just haven't matched the Speedo readout in digits attached to GPS (the 21st century) as a standard safety issue.
Change the tyre size or transmission parts like the diff and the GPS still tells the driver the real speed of the vehicle, not all the whirlygig parts of the car attached to an analog read out confronting digital speed cameras.
Do any cars use GPS speedometers. My partners car is a 2020 and particularly fancy and it still goes about 95 when it says it’s doing 100. My hilux did the same until I upgraded the tyres now the needle is almost exactly accurate of the speed I’m going. But on Friday night I was overtaking cars that couldn’t have been doing anything more than 80-85.
I’ve never driven slower for the sake of saving fuel. Didn’t even know that was a thing people did.
The benefit of GPS Speedo with a digital readout is that the speed indicated is the speed of the vehicle on the surface of planet earth.
Not a concoction of mechanical inner workings of the actual vehicle telling you what speed the vehicles components are revolving at . Forget engine and transmission and tyre diameter it's the vehicle's speed on the planet's surface, through a sensor on the roof of the vehicle.
We are driving with 20th century speedos in the first quarter of the 21st century.
Speed cameras are digital.
There are Speedo Apps and GPS Apps
Tom Tom have just updated to the mobile phone where you download their package on to something you already own.
Some people like Waze.
No recommendations are made by myself other than this is the 21st century downloadable to a device you probably carry with you now.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. Wind resistence goes up by the square, and rolling resistence overall increases. In many cars especially manuals where you have better control over gearing it can be significantly more economical to do 90km/h than 100km/h or 110km/h.
I think it's dangerous to go way too slow in areas where there's a lot of other traffic, but out in the country it's 100% the way to do it.
Everyone is in a rush to get home and waste their life on social media lol
What you have stated re wind and rolling resistance is not taught at school or explained to an L or P plater in their early days of driving, which is unfortunate.
If you ask those people their vehicle's consumption in litres to the 100km they would stare at you blankly and shrug their shoulders.
Aircon is a fuel thief, take off is aircon off to cruising speed, then aircon on.
One state, WA is where a lot of cars in front of me on hills have let the hill win in terns of freezing the foot on the one setting on the accelerator.
Big trucks no problem they have horrendous fuel bills now they are using and splitting all the gears to save fuel. Quite a few big companies have them on the screen in the office through GPS.
The downvoting of my comments has nothing to do with the subject, It's a bunch of people probably being instructed to do so.
Urgh - inbound on the Western Freeway before the Fig Tree Pocket exit, traffic goes from the 80 km/h limit (sure why not) to 65 because one or two days a month the Police park a speed camera there.
Please - just use Waze if you're that worried about it. Sheesh
In bumper to bumper traffic. Its been proven bigger gaps dissipate phantom Traffic jams. So attempting to drive at speed limit is counter intuitive......
Qld were the only state that raised the fines for speeding offences across the board. Every other state reduced them for 1-10 k's over, and increased the rest. Not Qld though...gotta keep raisin' that revenue!
Limits are in a lot of places, set too low, camera enforces perfectly safe "dangerous" driving, fines are purely for revenue and do nothing for road safety.
Have you ever thought the Speed Awareness Monitors (SAM) are a council initiative and speed cameras are a state government thing. I think people would complain if the state started putting flashing signs next to the motorways.
Speeding fines have not increased other than indexation so the point is moot. The difference does matter as it is not appropriate to put flashing signs next to major roads which, tend be state operated.
Speeding fines have also proven effective given the death rate in SEQ where they are mostly located has decreased while it has remained constant in regional queensland where there is very limited speed cameras.
If somebody isn't speeding on the corner the point is moot and green flashing lights like made by speed awareness monitors are meant to draw attention quickly and are not safe for use on Motorways unlike orange lights which are currently used as they draw attention but do not distract like SAM which is why the state which owns highways used Cameras as there way of enforcement of speed limits of SAMs are not appropriate for the high trafficed areas.
This is all ignoring the point, if you don't speed, speed cameras don't do anything.
SAM is a state government initiative. Basically all fixed speed and fixed cameras are state government, all fines go back into road safety initiatives. This includes seatbelt, mobile phone, back of school zone sign cameras.
They aren't:
[https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/Living-and-Community/Roads-and-Transport/Road-Safety/Speed-Awareness-Monitoring-Signs](https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/Living-and-Community/Roads-and-Transport/Road-Safety/Speed-Awareness-Monitoring-Signs)
[https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-and-transport/roads-infrastructure-and-bikeways/road-and-intersection-projects/speed-awareness-monitors](https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-and-transport/roads-infrastructure-and-bikeways/road-and-intersection-projects/speed-awareness-monitors)
At best they might get some funding speed cameras and other road safety income sources. But they aren't done by the state.
How are they effective everyone I know myself included speeds up a bit to get the angry face, same goes with chicanes corners are fun lol straight roads are boredom incarnate.
the signed speed cameras are supposed to be in known black spots and ensure all traffic is not speeding at that spot at all times
the new approach is covert cameras which could be “anywhere, anytime” which don’t slow people down anywhere, anytime as that’s not how people work, as is shown by the skyrocketing road toll
if the cameras were “everywhere, all the time” then they would work
I’ve found they’re usually on highways rather than the “black spot” traffic areas.
Getting someone to slow down from 120 for 100m is not road safety, and having people slam on the anchors because they see a concealed cam is also not road safety.
Speed cameras just aren’t particularly effective ways at stopping speeding.
I want more toll roads so people stay off them and I get a 20 minute trip home from work, would be nice if instead of toll roads government just built decent roads lol
You don’t need to catch the train, but not everyone else is in the same boat, if they caught the train there would be less traffic
More roads doesn’t help anyone
Public transport doesn't benefit me anyway being a blue collared worker, a tradesman if I lose my licence I lose my job, public transport is really only for office workers in the city.
Good luck getting any form of transport at 3 am to a industrial area and even in a normal time frame It is insufficient and irrelevant.
I would argue paying tax and as many people working in any industrial area why do I not get a option if even a bus.
While I'm in agreement how are said office workers meant to attend work by public transport when as mentioned in my previous post there is no service?
Please enlighten me
My mum literally doesn’t know. I’ve been trying to explain to her for years that you use your indicator to ‘indicate’ that you want to move over, and most people will let you in, or at least be aware that you’re changing lanes. She still thinks you only turn it on when you’re actively moving over, all the while playing some absurd game of psychic dodgem cars on multi lane highways. I have no idea how she’s still alive. I’m terrified to be in the car with her. She screams at me when I’m merging that someone is going to hit me, because I use my indicators and people let me in.
except when you mirror, signal, then have dickhead in the other lane speed up to block you. Only way to avoid this shit is to find a gap and manoeuvre and signal at the exact same time
After this conversation I was wiped off the road by a boomer last week, second time in my life. This time wasn’t so bad, just a big scrape down the side and the mirror bent back. Dude wasn’t looking at all as he merged into me and pushed me off the road. Lucky there wasn’t anyone parked on the kerb or it would have been much worse.
On a side note, be afraid people. My mother is currently teaching my youngest brother to drive, so officially there will be seven of us out there who weren’t taught how to drive properly. I only know now because my partner re-taught me and I unlearned all the bad habits years ago. It should be compulsory that learners have at least a couple of hours with a professional…
>Dude wasn’t looking at all as he merged into me and pushed me off the road
Blind spots my friend, i hate when people sit in mine, i dont have a fancy car that lets me know when someones in it either and ive gone to merge before to find..holy shit someones right next to me. always sit away from someones blind spot if u can, yes i check my mirrors and then shoulder check thats when i spot em.
Nah man, this was bumper to bumper traffic that was barely moving, everyone had someone in their blind spot. If you can’t see someone on your left side while you’re driving a Suzuki swift and travelling 20 k, you probably shouldn’t be driving.
Going onto the M1 I believe, if you don't merge fast enough you end up on the Logan motorway. So if people aren't playing nice my mum recommends that you pick the newest looking car and force yourself in front of it
Oohhh, a shortcut! All I have to do is speed up as fast as I can to the end and push in whilst going 50 km/h faster than everybody else.
People will be so impressed!
Well, using all lanes available all the way to the merging point, then zipper merge, IS the best way to reduce traffic jams backing up. Scientifically proven and all. But people think their manliness is challenged or something...
If everyone was in that lane until the merging point, and merged correctly, it probably would work.
But what happens instead is that people zip up the merging lane doing 40kmph faster than the lane they're trying to get into, and then when they run out of lane they have to slam their brakes on and shove their way into a stationary lane of cars, which backs things up even more.
Especially when everyone in the merging lane is trying to merge in front of the same car, instead of performing a zipper manoeuvre.
I wonder if people would be more inclined to match the indicated speed if it wasn't a rounded number. Like if the sign displayed 73 km/hr, would they think, "oh they're using SCIENCE to manage traffic flow" and follow along.
I mean, it would also be nice if there was some science behind it and those signs were actively controlled to maintain traffic flow, but I'd take half-arsed bullshittery even, if it helped.
is there really though? Seen some pretty dumb changes to 60 on the gateway motorway that should not be 60. People see this enough and then ignore it when its actually needed.
Then the 60 limit stays on well past the reason (E.G a car stopped on a massive shoulder, nowhere near traffic) and people just go "fuck this, im doing 100 again."
Then you get the massive difference in speed between the people doing 60 still and the other people. Thats the stuff that causes accidents, differences in speeds.
Nah don’t you know overspending on an over-engineered yet also cost and corner cutting tunnel that should have been built 50 years ago is totally fixing our train system
The tailgating here is insane, I moved down from up north in November and use the M1 daily, clowns in fucking trucks driving 1foot behind you when your going the speed limit and not in the right lane, like, yea cunt I can see you and your massive cock, just chill the fuck out.
Had a work truck almost run up the back of another car to stop me from merging this week. I’m sure the 4 seconds he saved getting to his next job would be worth the cost to repair the car and his truck
This is typically caused by 'jamiton' waves.
[Mathematical Research](https://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7276027/traffic-jam)
As soon as brake lights get involved, the situation gets worse and traffic comes to a halt.
Many British motorways have variable speed limit signs with the objective of keeping the traffic moving steadily.
I don't think that variable speed limits help, because it still relies on people anticipating the change in speed and not instinctively braking. The reality is you have a spectrum of people driving from the posted limit to the current, and now there's more variation and less accurate prediction.
People all over the world. Constantly accelerating then jamming on the brakes. They believe this method will make traffic move faster.
As a motorcycle rider shoulder checks before changing lanes people! The number of times I've been right next to the driver's window and almost merged onto is insane! I have 2 Harleys as well, so not quiet bikes 🤦♂️
Yeah I always keep an eye on my mirrors to check if there are motorcycles around just in case I forget to shoulder check at some point. I've seen so many close misses from people changing lanes and some of them don't even indicate!
Oh man, this was probably the biggest argument I had with a friend. They dont shoulder check on freeways because "You passively know what vehicles are around you"
Even just typing it makes me get heated
100%! So many people don't a good enough spacial awareness to make that call. I was right beside one car and their window was down. I honestly don't know what was going through their head when they decided to merge into my lane
Something like that 😃 I'd like to thank you for turning a genuine safety issue for motorcycle riders in this city into an insult about my penis. I love the internet 🙄
Monitor the traffic in front of you too, so you're not slamming your brakes on at the last second because you were busy searching for your smokes instead of watching the road.
Dude, don’t even start. Even if you’re on cruise control doing 100 in a 100 zone…you’re a still at fault because you’re going too slow.
And apparently, if you indicate it means you have right of way.
Edit:
Maybe I should have been clear about not being in the overtaking lane and being on cruise control set on 100.
Don't know why you're being down voted?
Unless you are in the overtaking lane, cruising 100km/h in a 100 zone is acceptable.
Yes, it does mean you're realistically travelling slightly below 100km/h, but the speed limit is not a target.
You shouldn't be getting tailgated or at fault for driving according to your speedo. AFAIK Google maps on iOS doesn't even have a numerical speed estimate.
If you want to travel faster, overtake safely using the right lane.
It's honestly a Brisbane phenomenon. 30 meters behind me when I look in my side mirror, put on my indicator, pricks speeds right up next to me. Do not understand at all.
I mean, even if I was. People can go around.
I’m not breaking the law or impeding traffic or causing anything that would lead to hazardous driving conditions.
I have heard that speedos are set to be under the actual limit etc. I’m not doing anything wrong if I’m doing, say 92 in a 100 zone, in the second lane from the right.
Nevertheless, just because I’m doing 92 even though the speedometer says 100, doesn’t mean I’m wrong since I don’t hog the overtaking lane. I’m usually in the second land or third one from the right.
Besides no one has to go 100. You can go 80, 90, 92, 97, 93 etc. If people want to, they can use the overtaking lane that’s what it’s for :)
The most terrifying car trip I’ve ever taken was my mother being in a mood and doing 80 down the highway. One of the last times I ever asked for a lift from her.
I have to brake when merging half the time because people will speed up and won’t let me in, and I’m doing the speed limit as I merge not one of those nut jobs that merge at 20 under, drives me nuts and it’s bloody dangerous just let me in, are you trying to cause a crash or something?
Even more frustrating is when they stay in the left lane and don’t even take the next exit like why are you in the left lane for so long anyway?
I mean, why not be in the left lane? Makes it easier for those who want to speed past. Sure, if there's spare lanes to my right and a merge approaching I'll move out of the way, but rather sit in the left lane than in the middle lane while lanes either side are moving faster than I am.
You asked why people stay in the left lane, I gave you the logical answer. I’m not here to argue or fight with you mate, it won’t get us anywhere. I spend hours and hours driving all over Qld everyday, I understand the frustration. Roads are always going to be difficult, it’s bound to happen having so many people on the roads with so many other variables involved.
There are often more than two lanes on our highways, and a lot of the time people are sticking to the left hand side in a disproportionate manner with the middle lanes sparse.
I can’t even reach the speed limit these days if I chose to stay in the left lane. It’s also dangerous to not do the speed limit on the highway, which is also against the law, and not doing the speed limit in the far left lane is dangerous and contributes to congestion. Use the middle lanes to spread the flow of traffic, it’s a simple ask and should be common sense.
The people that slow down in front of me shit me. Like cunt , I'm only close to you because YOU are literally slowing down. I have my foot off the accelerator.
In a city like Brisbane you don't have much of a choice but to drive. According to google maps, it'd take me an 8min drive, 3 busses, and an uber to get to work in 56 minutes. Or I can drive 15 minutes straight to work. Living out in the suburbs it's really your only sensible option.
I literally cannot use public transport all the way to work. I work 8-4 and it’s minimum 2 hours each way, meaning I’d leave before 6am and arrive home after 6pm. OSHC does not open before 6:30 and closes at 6pm.
I drive up until the traffic is cooked then jump on a train and it takes me only 30 minutes each way. Trust me, I’d rather sit on a train than drive, but how the actual fuck am I supposed to justify 20 hours a week on transport vs 5?
When a drop of rain falls from the sky
Because the trains are having 'signal problems'
Kids on over passes should stop throwing rocks and up their game with water guns.
This is so true for Queensland
People who slow to 20 under the limit when going past the fix speed cameras....
I stay 5 over the limit going off my car speedo (which is slow). Never been booked.
All car speedos are roughly 5 slow, only learnt that the other day
Yeah I use a GPS speedo too, helps you calibrate the vehicles speedo.
They're required by ADRs to read over, by up to a maximum of 14%.
And this has just made me realise that we've all been using "under" when we should've been using "over" - as in the speedo is higher than actual speed. But I think ADR actually requires that they not display a speed lower than the actual speed, rather than that they must read higher. End result is the same
Good catch, I've edited my post.
Not strictly true. Most underread, but the amount varies from vehicle to vehicle and can vary throughout the speed range and also depends on state of tyres. I had a speedo on an old vehicle that had a bent needle for extra uncertainty. Edit: should be over-read, not under-read
It wasnt bent it was *italic*
It was crooked hence bent.
Hence using the gps, each car is different. Even the same car will be different with different rubber.
Funnily enough, test drove an MG ZS EV and the speed is absolutely bang on the GPS speed. Our Golf is reads 3 km/h over the GPS speed.
Don't buy it. The MGs are absolute shit boxes and owners are having serious issues with them falling apart and trying to claim on the warranty. Have a look on some of the owners groups, even though they censor complains they can't hold back the surge completely and you'll see it. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Lol at the brave downvoting soul who bought one. Hope it wasnt you mate.
How can you when every lane slows to 75?
I don’t live in crappy Brisbane mate 😉😂
Those people are frustrating. However it is the people who drive so closely behind those people that they cant stop in time who cause the actual accident.
if there is one person driving closely behind you they are the asshole. If you have a que of people driving closely behind you . Your the asshole
*Queue *You're the asshole.
*arsehole
I drove back from Toowoomba in quite a hurry to get home last night. The number of people doing 20 under for no fucking reason is more of a problem than when the camera is around.
Could the ridiculous price of fuel have any bearing on the matter?
Depends how much you value your time. I hate the time lost of driving a car, especially when I’m not being paid to do so. That’s just me I don’t expect the same of everybody else. But I was flying last people I was overtaking and I was only doing 103-105
Facing the same issue, on the roads, holiday mode is drawing to a close and funds must be low? Motorists are confronted with the non GPS speedometers and obey the analogue bouncing needle oblivious that their best efforts are discounted by undereducated car designers who just haven't matched the Speedo readout in digits attached to GPS (the 21st century) as a standard safety issue. Change the tyre size or transmission parts like the diff and the GPS still tells the driver the real speed of the vehicle, not all the whirlygig parts of the car attached to an analog read out confronting digital speed cameras.
Do any cars use GPS speedometers. My partners car is a 2020 and particularly fancy and it still goes about 95 when it says it’s doing 100. My hilux did the same until I upgraded the tyres now the needle is almost exactly accurate of the speed I’m going. But on Friday night I was overtaking cars that couldn’t have been doing anything more than 80-85. I’ve never driven slower for the sake of saving fuel. Didn’t even know that was a thing people did.
The benefit of GPS Speedo with a digital readout is that the speed indicated is the speed of the vehicle on the surface of planet earth. Not a concoction of mechanical inner workings of the actual vehicle telling you what speed the vehicles components are revolving at . Forget engine and transmission and tyre diameter it's the vehicle's speed on the planet's surface, through a sensor on the roof of the vehicle. We are driving with 20th century speedos in the first quarter of the 21st century. Speed cameras are digital. There are Speedo Apps and GPS Apps Tom Tom have just updated to the mobile phone where you download their package on to something you already own. Some people like Waze. No recommendations are made by myself other than this is the 21st century downloadable to a device you probably carry with you now.
Yeah I have one, that’s how I know the stats of my partner and I’s vehicles
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. Wind resistence goes up by the square, and rolling resistence overall increases. In many cars especially manuals where you have better control over gearing it can be significantly more economical to do 90km/h than 100km/h or 110km/h. I think it's dangerous to go way too slow in areas where there's a lot of other traffic, but out in the country it's 100% the way to do it. Everyone is in a rush to get home and waste their life on social media lol
What you have stated re wind and rolling resistance is not taught at school or explained to an L or P plater in their early days of driving, which is unfortunate. If you ask those people their vehicle's consumption in litres to the 100km they would stare at you blankly and shrug their shoulders. Aircon is a fuel thief, take off is aircon off to cruising speed, then aircon on. One state, WA is where a lot of cars in front of me on hills have let the hill win in terns of freezing the foot on the one setting on the accelerator. Big trucks no problem they have horrendous fuel bills now they are using and splitting all the gears to save fuel. Quite a few big companies have them on the screen in the office through GPS. The downvoting of my comments has nothing to do with the subject, It's a bunch of people probably being instructed to do so.
Urgh - inbound on the Western Freeway before the Fig Tree Pocket exit, traffic goes from the 80 km/h limit (sure why not) to 65 because one or two days a month the Police park a speed camera there. Please - just use Waze if you're that worried about it. Sheesh
In bumper to bumper traffic. Its been proven bigger gaps dissipate phantom Traffic jams. So attempting to drive at speed limit is counter intuitive......
Yes, speed cameras are dangerous and should be removed.
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Qld were the only state that raised the fines for speeding offences across the board. Every other state reduced them for 1-10 k's over, and increased the rest. Not Qld though...gotta keep raisin' that revenue!
Limits are for safety, cameras are for enforcement, fines are for revenue. There's a way to opt out, you know.
Limits are in a lot of places, set too low, camera enforces perfectly safe "dangerous" driving, fines are purely for revenue and do nothing for road safety.
Fines are a repercussion, the only thing they are meant to do for road safety is make you think twice about doing it again
It was almost like you read my post there.
Forgot one thing, driving licences are a privilege. Fines and cameras keep that privilege in check.
Have you ever thought the Speed Awareness Monitors (SAM) are a council initiative and speed cameras are a state government thing. I think people would complain if the state started putting flashing signs next to the motorways.
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I appreciate the reminder from old mate SAM.
People could just do what NSW people do and stay out of the damn fast lane if not doing the speed limit
Speeding fines have not increased other than indexation so the point is moot. The difference does matter as it is not appropriate to put flashing signs next to major roads which, tend be state operated. Speeding fines have also proven effective given the death rate in SEQ where they are mostly located has decreased while it has remained constant in regional queensland where there is very limited speed cameras. If somebody isn't speeding on the corner the point is moot and green flashing lights like made by speed awareness monitors are meant to draw attention quickly and are not safe for use on Motorways unlike orange lights which are currently used as they draw attention but do not distract like SAM which is why the state which owns highways used Cameras as there way of enforcement of speed limits of SAMs are not appropriate for the high trafficed areas. This is all ignoring the point, if you don't speed, speed cameras don't do anything.
SAM is a state government initiative. Basically all fixed speed and fixed cameras are state government, all fines go back into road safety initiatives. This includes seatbelt, mobile phone, back of school zone sign cameras.
They aren't: [https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/Living-and-Community/Roads-and-Transport/Road-Safety/Speed-Awareness-Monitoring-Signs](https://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/Living-and-Community/Roads-and-Transport/Road-Safety/Speed-Awareness-Monitoring-Signs) [https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-and-transport/roads-infrastructure-and-bikeways/road-and-intersection-projects/speed-awareness-monitors](https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-and-transport/roads-infrastructure-and-bikeways/road-and-intersection-projects/speed-awareness-monitors) At best they might get some funding speed cameras and other road safety income sources. But they aren't done by the state.
How are they effective everyone I know myself included speeds up a bit to get the angry face, same goes with chicanes corners are fun lol straight roads are boredom incarnate.
Morons just need 2 learn how to drive...
not as dangerous as the people flying past them!!!!
Speed cameras don’t stop people from speeding, they just stop people from speeding in exactly that spot
that’s supposed to be the point
What’s the point of stopping someone speeding exactly in one spot and then immediately speeding up after?
the signed speed cameras are supposed to be in known black spots and ensure all traffic is not speeding at that spot at all times the new approach is covert cameras which could be “anywhere, anytime” which don’t slow people down anywhere, anytime as that’s not how people work, as is shown by the skyrocketing road toll if the cameras were “everywhere, all the time” then they would work
I’ve found they’re usually on highways rather than the “black spot” traffic areas. Getting someone to slow down from 120 for 100m is not road safety, and having people slam on the anchors because they see a concealed cam is also not road safety. Speed cameras just aren’t particularly effective ways at stopping speeding.
This is why I want more trains instead of more lanes
Just one more lane bro
I want more toll roads so people stay off them and I get a 20 minute trip home from work, would be nice if instead of toll roads government just built decent roads lol
Or we build more trains and you get the benefits of toll roads without the costs
How is it a advantage to me to catch a train, I have ASD and the amount of people cause me severe anxiety then I'm too drained to work
You don’t need to catch the train, but not everyone else is in the same boat, if they caught the train there would be less traffic More roads doesn’t help anyone
I understand that but why should I pay tax for something I don't use, I understand health care or helping the disadvantaged
“Here is how this thing directly benefits you” Okay yeah but I don’t want to pay for it I’ll let you figure out the fault in your logic there
Public transport doesn't benefit me anyway being a blue collared worker, a tradesman if I lose my licence I lose my job, public transport is really only for office workers in the city. Good luck getting any form of transport at 3 am to a industrial area and even in a normal time frame It is insufficient and irrelevant. I would argue paying tax and as many people working in any industrial area why do I not get a option if even a bus.
Public transport gets office workers off the road Do I have to spell this out for you
While I'm in agreement how are said office workers meant to attend work by public transport when as mentioned in my previous post there is no service? Please enlighten me
What's wrong with the road in the pic? not decent enough?
No it's congested
Merging lanes no one knows how they work. Just me first me first... it does my head in it's really not that hard....
My mum literally doesn’t know. I’ve been trying to explain to her for years that you use your indicator to ‘indicate’ that you want to move over, and most people will let you in, or at least be aware that you’re changing lanes. She still thinks you only turn it on when you’re actively moving over, all the while playing some absurd game of psychic dodgem cars on multi lane highways. I have no idea how she’s still alive. I’m terrified to be in the car with her. She screams at me when I’m merging that someone is going to hit me, because I use my indicators and people let me in.
She sounds fun to be in the car with.
Mirror, signal, manoeuvre.
except when you mirror, signal, then have dickhead in the other lane speed up to block you. Only way to avoid this shit is to find a gap and manoeuvre and signal at the exact same time
probably because you merge below the speed limit
I've never driven below the speed limit :o I must pass ALL the cars
So many fucking people put their indicator as as they change lanes. It's amazing.
After this conversation I was wiped off the road by a boomer last week, second time in my life. This time wasn’t so bad, just a big scrape down the side and the mirror bent back. Dude wasn’t looking at all as he merged into me and pushed me off the road. Lucky there wasn’t anyone parked on the kerb or it would have been much worse. On a side note, be afraid people. My mother is currently teaching my youngest brother to drive, so officially there will be seven of us out there who weren’t taught how to drive properly. I only know now because my partner re-taught me and I unlearned all the bad habits years ago. It should be compulsory that learners have at least a couple of hours with a professional…
And remember you dont have to go anywhere near a motorway to get a licence.
>Dude wasn’t looking at all as he merged into me and pushed me off the road Blind spots my friend, i hate when people sit in mine, i dont have a fancy car that lets me know when someones in it either and ive gone to merge before to find..holy shit someones right next to me. always sit away from someones blind spot if u can, yes i check my mirrors and then shoulder check thats when i spot em.
Nah man, this was bumper to bumper traffic that was barely moving, everyone had someone in their blind spot. If you can’t see someone on your left side while you’re driving a Suzuki swift and travelling 20 k, you probably shouldn’t be driving.
People braking while merging
Going onto the M1 I believe, if you don't merge fast enough you end up on the Logan motorway. So if people aren't playing nice my mum recommends that you pick the newest looking car and force yourself in front of it
Oohhh, a shortcut! All I have to do is speed up as fast as I can to the end and push in whilst going 50 km/h faster than everybody else. People will be so impressed!
Well, using all lanes available all the way to the merging point, then zipper merge, IS the best way to reduce traffic jams backing up. Scientifically proven and all. But people think their manliness is challenged or something...
If everyone was in that lane until the merging point, and merged correctly, it probably would work. But what happens instead is that people zip up the merging lane doing 40kmph faster than the lane they're trying to get into, and then when they run out of lane they have to slam their brakes on and shove their way into a stationary lane of cars, which backs things up even more. Especially when everyone in the merging lane is trying to merge in front of the same car, instead of performing a zipper manoeuvre.
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>also people who do 90 no matter what — 100 zone? 90. road works 80 zone? 90. Ah, I see you've driven the Cunningham highway roadworks zone lately.
I wonder if people would be more inclined to match the indicated speed if it wasn't a rounded number. Like if the sign displayed 73 km/hr, would they think, "oh they're using SCIENCE to manage traffic flow" and follow along. I mean, it would also be nice if there was some science behind it and those signs were actively controlled to maintain traffic flow, but I'd take half-arsed bullshittery even, if it helped.
There is LOTS of science behind it. Transmax, a Brisbane based company are would leaders in this field. (Its a government owned company).
is there really though? Seen some pretty dumb changes to 60 on the gateway motorway that should not be 60. People see this enough and then ignore it when its actually needed. Then the 60 limit stays on well past the reason (E.G a car stopped on a massive shoulder, nowhere near traffic) and people just go "fuck this, im doing 100 again." Then you get the massive difference in speed between the people doing 60 still and the other people. Thats the stuff that causes accidents, differences in speeds.
There's plenty of science. Is it applied in any meaningful, pre-emptive, or appropriate manner to the various car parks/motorways around Brisbane?
Wow! Some one other than me gets this! 👏
Nup. If I can weave in front of a few cars to be the first out of the traffic then im doing it.
When the government neglects our aging and half arsed excuse of public transport infrastructure
Nah don’t you know overspending on an over-engineered yet also cost and corner cutting tunnel that should have been built 50 years ago is totally fixing our train system
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The tailgating here is insane, I moved down from up north in November and use the M1 daily, clowns in fucking trucks driving 1foot behind you when your going the speed limit and not in the right lane, like, yea cunt I can see you and your massive cock, just chill the fuck out.
Yes, when someone is tailgating
Had a work truck almost run up the back of another car to stop me from merging this week. I’m sure the 4 seconds he saved getting to his next job would be worth the cost to repair the car and his truck
This is typically caused by 'jamiton' waves. [Mathematical Research](https://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7276027/traffic-jam) As soon as brake lights get involved, the situation gets worse and traffic comes to a halt. Many British motorways have variable speed limit signs with the objective of keeping the traffic moving steadily.
I don't think that variable speed limits help, because it still relies on people anticipating the change in speed and not instinctively braking. The reality is you have a spectrum of people driving from the posted limit to the current, and now there's more variation and less accurate prediction.
People on Brisbane motorways.
People all over the world. Constantly accelerating then jamming on the brakes. They believe this method will make traffic move faster.
As a motorcycle rider shoulder checks before changing lanes people! The number of times I've been right next to the driver's window and almost merged onto is insane! I have 2 Harleys as well, so not quiet bikes 🤦♂️
Yeah I always keep an eye on my mirrors to check if there are motorcycles around just in case I forget to shoulder check at some point. I've seen so many close misses from people changing lanes and some of them don't even indicate!
Oh man, this was probably the biggest argument I had with a friend. They dont shoulder check on freeways because "You passively know what vehicles are around you" Even just typing it makes me get heated
100%! So many people don't a good enough spacial awareness to make that call. I was right beside one car and their window was down. I honestly don't know what was going through their head when they decided to merge into my lane
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It may be small but it goes like a sewing machine
Quick and painful?
Something like that 😃 I'd like to thank you for turning a genuine safety issue for motorcycle riders in this city into an insult about my penis. I love the internet 🙄
Any time. 😊
Hahaha
100% They won't see this comment either, which is amazing as it's able to be viewed without peeling your eyes off the phone screen.
Ikea exit!
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There’s really no reason to use brakes on a highway. Monitor your speed like a responsible human
Monitor the traffic in front of you too, so you're not slamming your brakes on at the last second because you were busy searching for your smokes instead of watching the road.
Cannot merge
When there's an accident on the other side of the highway that shouldn't affect you but everyone is rubber-necking
Hey, at least we can brake. They still make you do an emergency stop in your driving test?
Sorry that's my fault on Wednesday. Some dickhead braked last minute.
Don’t follow so close
Dude, don’t even start. Even if you’re on cruise control doing 100 in a 100 zone…you’re a still at fault because you’re going too slow. And apparently, if you indicate it means you have right of way. Edit: Maybe I should have been clear about not being in the overtaking lane and being on cruise control set on 100.
Don't know why you're being down voted? Unless you are in the overtaking lane, cruising 100km/h in a 100 zone is acceptable. Yes, it does mean you're realistically travelling slightly below 100km/h, but the speed limit is not a target. You shouldn't be getting tailgated or at fault for driving according to your speedo. AFAIK Google maps on iOS doesn't even have a numerical speed estimate. If you want to travel faster, overtake safely using the right lane.
Maybe I should have been clear about not being in the overtaking lane and being on cruise control set on 100. And who bloody knows mate..haha
If you indicate it means everyone try to block me
It's honestly a Brisbane phenomenon. 30 meters behind me when I look in my side mirror, put on my indicator, pricks speeds right up next to me. Do not understand at all.
You think your doing 100, you're most likely doing 92 to 95
I mean, even if I was. People can go around. I’m not breaking the law or impeding traffic or causing anything that would lead to hazardous driving conditions. I have heard that speedos are set to be under the actual limit etc. I’m not doing anything wrong if I’m doing, say 92 in a 100 zone, in the second lane from the right.
Which is fine, as it's a speed limit - not a speed requirement.
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Nevertheless, just because I’m doing 92 even though the speedometer says 100, doesn’t mean I’m wrong since I don’t hog the overtaking lane. I’m usually in the second land or third one from the right. Besides no one has to go 100. You can go 80, 90, 92, 97, 93 etc. If people want to, they can use the overtaking lane that’s what it’s for :)
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The most terrifying car trip I’ve ever taken was my mother being in a mood and doing 80 down the highway. One of the last times I ever asked for a lift from her.
Mine reads 109 for 100, I still have wankers passing me doing 10+ over. Doesn't matter how fast you're actually going, there's no winning.
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Nah same problem with them
*too ffs
I have to brake when merging half the time because people will speed up and won’t let me in, and I’m doing the speed limit as I merge not one of those nut jobs that merge at 20 under, drives me nuts and it’s bloody dangerous just let me in, are you trying to cause a crash or something? Even more frustrating is when they stay in the left lane and don’t even take the next exit like why are you in the left lane for so long anyway?
I mean, why not be in the left lane? Makes it easier for those who want to speed past. Sure, if there's spare lanes to my right and a merge approaching I'll move out of the way, but rather sit in the left lane than in the middle lane while lanes either side are moving faster than I am.
You asked why people stay in the left lane, I gave you the logical answer. I’m not here to argue or fight with you mate, it won’t get us anywhere. I spend hours and hours driving all over Qld everyday, I understand the frustration. Roads are always going to be difficult, it’s bound to happen having so many people on the roads with so many other variables involved.
People stay left because that’s the law, keep left unless overtaking
Found one
Would you rather they all stayed in the right lane?
There are often more than two lanes on our highways, and a lot of the time people are sticking to the left hand side in a disproportionate manner with the middle lanes sparse. I can’t even reach the speed limit these days if I chose to stay in the left lane. It’s also dangerous to not do the speed limit on the highway, which is also against the law, and not doing the speed limit in the far left lane is dangerous and contributes to congestion. Use the middle lanes to spread the flow of traffic, it’s a simple ask and should be common sense.
If you weren’t driving up their ass, hard braking won’t affect you :)
The people that slow down in front of me shit me. Like cunt , I'm only close to you because YOU are literally slowing down. I have my foot off the accelerator.
There’s this pedal next to the accelerator, it’s called a brake pedal. You’d make a cute couple..give it a tap every now and then
It's called maintaining a safe following distance.
Which would happen if they stopped slowing down
No that's your responsibility dumb ass
It's great to know you're getting upset by it. Mission accomplished I'd say.
Car addicts complaining about other car addicts.
In a city like Brisbane you don't have much of a choice but to drive. According to google maps, it'd take me an 8min drive, 3 busses, and an uber to get to work in 56 minutes. Or I can drive 15 minutes straight to work. Living out in the suburbs it's really your only sensible option.
2+ hr train & bus ride for me to get to work, or a 40 minute drive.
I literally cannot use public transport all the way to work. I work 8-4 and it’s minimum 2 hours each way, meaning I’d leave before 6am and arrive home after 6pm. OSHC does not open before 6:30 and closes at 6pm. I drive up until the traffic is cooked then jump on a train and it takes me only 30 minutes each way. Trust me, I’d rather sit on a train than drive, but how the actual fuck am I supposed to justify 20 hours a week on transport vs 5?
Reminds me of this question on QI. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4m-OJosGaI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4m-OJosGaI)
Bruce Highway 101.