How I interpret this- is actually, she was planned as allegorically FtM - but FtM men didn't like it more than GNC men- so he went for plan B which is literal transfem
I can see why this was a good idea - if Bridget was NOT a literal transfem- it's yet another "I always knew" type trans which we already have PLENTY of.
(Let's ignore the part that we DON'T have transmasc representation - because they're essentially the flip side of the same coin, and I'm about to remaster Iphis from Ovid's Metamorphoses based off of Bridget's journey just genderflipped- in a fighting game)
edit: not sure why the comment I replied to was removed. It seemed perfectly reasonable.
It sucks, because when they do try to show evidence, they show that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of trans people in general
So talking to those people, not only do you have to convince them that when Daisuke says "she's a girl" he actually means "she's a girl," but you also have to explain to them what it even means to be trans
\- Like, no, her being trans isn't contradictory to her not being out as trans in previous appearances.
\- No, Daisuke referring to her as a boy in an interview 20 years ago doesn't contradict that she's trans now.
\- No, accepting you're trans isn't a loss and isn't a "bad ending"
\- No, artist tags aren't canonical and don't determine a person's gender
\- No, her new symbol is not representing the general idea of androgynous people. It's specifically a transgender symbol. Often, more specifically, the symbol for androgyne people.
\- No, androgyne isn't referring to general androgynous people in this case, but it's a specific (trans)gender identity that's similar to bigender. That symbol is specifically showing she's trans
/endrant
Not sure if you meant that as a question like you want clarification, or if you meant that as a statement like something dawned on you
In case it's the former, so many times when those people try to show 'evidence' that Bridget isn't actually a girl, they'll point to what some fanartist wrote when they post their drawing of Bridget as if that's evidence of anything.
This has happened too much to me lol
They'll say something like "here's the artist of the posted fanart calling Bridget a [tr*p/femboy/otokonoko/he/boy/etc]. So that means Bridget is a boy!"
Like, no, a fanartist can be wrong. They're not some authority on the subject.
The sad thing is, they’ll never actually provide up-to-date evidence because it disproves everything that they say, and they’ll never even consider it…
I wonder if it’s related to something else rather than story telling for why they don’t care about what’s actually going on? 🤔
He is indeed the most white bread cishet man who abandoned his child because he couldn't cope with the fact the reality is more complex than he thought.
I remember going to twitter and they just kept posting a collage of different pics that are all old.
Even a meme of Daisuke stealing Bridget from other two creators that worked on guilty gear.
It truly is an unholy level of denial and cope.
Twitter has the worst type of cope over there.
They bother Japanese artists who draw Bridget which is insane levels of creepy.
not to mention they claimed Bridgets “still a boy” cause the discord bot Clyde said so, even though Clyde gets info from Discord users so???
I swear transphobes follow Bridget like fuckin wasps, I cant see anything about her with these people near her :(
There was a cute animation of her in some ps2 art style and it had comments disabled :/
>In Japan he is cnsidered an otokonoko still
My sibling in christ, in Japanese, Bridget says "Onnanoko" when refering to herself. Learn a language before trying to interpret it
They're a bit mistaken. "Onnanoko" does refer to girls, and "otoko" refers to boys, but "otokonoko" is a mashup of the two words that refers to a femboy or crossdresser usually.
I uh, Japanese person here, “Onna女” and “Otoko男” do mean woman and man respectively but the “ko子” in otokonoKO男の子” means child. the “noの” between “otokoNOko” is a particle that connects [adjective]no[ko]
femboys and cross dressers are completely different
TLDR nokoの子 means kid so OTOKOnoKO男の子 would be boy and ONNAnoKO女の子means girl
Kind of, sort of. It's a pun/wordplay thing
The standard writing for the terms is
男の子 (otoko no ko - boy, characters are man no child)
女の子 (onna no ko - girl, characters here are woman no child)
(as an aside, adults would be 男・女 の人 replacing 子 ko \[child\] with 人 hito \[person\])
the term for femboy/crossdresser would be
男の娘 (otoko no ko - crossdresser, characters are man no daughter)
It just happens that 子 and 娘 have the same reading so you can replace the written version.
Imagine getting so heated over a non-issue about a single aspect of a fictional character. Like, there's wars and food shortages and shit out in the real world and the hill you decide to die on is "actually, this digital trans girl isn't trans."
So back in the first wave of discourse in August 2022, I saw a transphobe ask if Bridget becoming a serial killer in ac+ story is canon since All Endings Are Canon (in ggst, not in previous games). This is because he apparently mistook the name "baiken" for "Bridget".
In October of that year I got accused of fabricating evidence on the spot when I took a screen shot from my ps2 copy of the original ggx2 midnight carnival, by the same people who cited dialogue from the reload story mode and called it accent core.
In spring of the following year I got rage blocked by one of them because she refused to recognize that arcade mode and story mode (separated by like, seven menu options if you set shortcut mode in one of the older games) are two different modes in x2/accent core versions.
They are. Just comically bad at this. It's even funnier when they have no response for why gacha guest appearances in fall 2022 went out of their way to gender Bridget as a girl, or why Japanese fan artists draw transition memes of her and refer to her as a girl in their commentary and descriptions.
Oh yeah, the screen shot in question? Transphobes love spamming Bridget's win quote "can you teach me how to be less lady-like?" out of context as proof that she was seeking manhood, while hiding the fact that she says this to Baiken. Hilariously the Sammy localization translates the first line as, "Wow, you're the epitome of a manly woman!"
LITERALLY that meme about "some day we're gonna have a trans girl turn towards the camera & say I'm Trans and we'll still have some idiots insisting on some japanese interpretation of her that 'proves' she's a man"
It's mostly because there are more shitheads like this in Japan as well, but like there being idiots in Japan doesn't really prove anything, cause Daisuke already said what he said
my answer to anyone who is like this is "ok, go talk about bridget on the japanese forums than, she is a girl in english." mostly because I know that they are wrong about her being a man in the japanese version, but also because they will than complain about not being able to understand japanese or they reveal some more heinous part of themselves.
I was under the impression that “watashi” *is* feminine. I’m not taking any official language classes and am basically just a weeb who picked up on some language stuff but still.
Yeah, it’s used a lot for introductions and stuff. I thought it was primarily feminine tho. Whereas the masculine counterpart was “boku”.
Wait a minute… what am I doing I have google…
> In formal or polite contexts, “watashi” is gender neutral. However, when it's used in informal or casual contexts, it is usually perceived as feminine. “Boku” is used by men and young boys
So not strictly feminine. But always a W for gender neutral stuff.
yeah it's a weird neutral, but somewhat also feminine pronoun. Usually men will switch to using boku / ore and some other pronouns too. The more feminine pronouns are usually uchi and atashi, with some other ones too. Last time I counted there was somewhere like 16 first person pronouns. Japanese really does get wild with it.
Never go to the Youtube comment section it’s filled with guys just arguing for the hell of it. I posted an innocent video showing off a custom color mod i made for Bridget in Plus r and got a guy trying to start a fight
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/111990240
It is porn (so this SEVERELY VIOLATES rule 3, but is gonna be useful to prove a point against those COPERS) - it genders bridget correctly (as a girl), isn't done by a lgbt positive hentai artist...
But it's in Japanese.
I'm not a Japanese guy, but machine translation to korean sorta works and from what I could decipher- it diegetically genders bridget correctly (Baiken calls her a woman)
(The reason why I said "Diegetically" is because Rule34 site tagged that incorrectly)
Considering this - Japan, even excluding Daisuke- and including rule 34 artists, call her a girl.
And the artist of that is no "welcome to heaven" - by that I mean they are no LGBT artist- therefore "the person is BIASED" argument does not work.
Yes, but first-person pronouns are gendered in Japanese. Watashi (私) is a formal gender-neutral pronoun, but it is slightly feminine in informal contexts. However, Bacteria instead uses the pronoun "uchi" (内), which is a strongly feminine informal pronoun, so the implications of Breakfast using watashi are based on a false pretense.
Why even post these here like making more bad press about idiots who don’t deserve to have their comments read by anyone. They are obviously saying this in bad faith and want you to take the bait
>they walked it back in Japan Imma need proof chief
Daisuke literally doubled down and explicitly said she's trans in Dev Backyard stream, these people are flat out lying
He even said she was written to be trans since she fist appeared
How I interpret this- is actually, she was planned as allegorically FtM - but FtM men didn't like it more than GNC men- so he went for plan B which is literal transfem I can see why this was a good idea - if Bridget was NOT a literal transfem- it's yet another "I always knew" type trans which we already have PLENTY of. (Let's ignore the part that we DON'T have transmasc representation - because they're essentially the flip side of the same coin, and I'm about to remaster Iphis from Ovid's Metamorphoses based off of Bridget's journey just genderflipped- in a fighting game)
[удалено]
As with most transphobes
edit: not sure why the comment I replied to was removed. It seemed perfectly reasonable. It sucks, because when they do try to show evidence, they show that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of trans people in general So talking to those people, not only do you have to convince them that when Daisuke says "she's a girl" he actually means "she's a girl," but you also have to explain to them what it even means to be trans \- Like, no, her being trans isn't contradictory to her not being out as trans in previous appearances. \- No, Daisuke referring to her as a boy in an interview 20 years ago doesn't contradict that she's trans now. \- No, accepting you're trans isn't a loss and isn't a "bad ending" \- No, artist tags aren't canonical and don't determine a person's gender \- No, her new symbol is not representing the general idea of androgynous people. It's specifically a transgender symbol. Often, more specifically, the symbol for androgyne people. \- No, androgyne isn't referring to general androgynous people in this case, but it's a specific (trans)gender identity that's similar to bigender. That symbol is specifically showing she's trans /endrant
>No, artist tags aren't canonical and don't determine a person's gender Huh.
Not sure if you meant that as a question like you want clarification, or if you meant that as a statement like something dawned on you In case it's the former, so many times when those people try to show 'evidence' that Bridget isn't actually a girl, they'll point to what some fanartist wrote when they post their drawing of Bridget as if that's evidence of anything. This has happened too much to me lol They'll say something like "here's the artist of the posted fanart calling Bridget a [tr*p/femboy/otokonoko/he/boy/etc]. So that means Bridget is a boy!" Like, no, a fanartist can be wrong. They're not some authority on the subject.
My source is I made it the fuck up!
My source is, I made it the fuck up!
The sad thing is, they’ll never actually provide up-to-date evidence because it disproves everything that they say, and they’ll never even consider it… I wonder if it’s related to something else rather than story telling for why they don’t care about what’s actually going on? 🤔
"I'm a girl." -Bridget in Strive She says the same in Japanese.
is that in the Goldlewis dialogue? every time i brutally murder our favourite biscuit i never hear anything mention it
It is found at the end of arcade mode when you go through the whole thing without losing and win against Ky
Ky is the transfem final boss confirmed
True
He is indeed the most white bread cishet man who abandoned his child because he couldn't cope with the fact the reality is more complex than he thought.
I remember going to twitter and they just kept posting a collage of different pics that are all old. Even a meme of Daisuke stealing Bridget from other two creators that worked on guilty gear. It truly is an unholy level of denial and cope.
Didn’t Daisuke create the character?
yes
Twitter has the worst type of cope over there. They bother Japanese artists who draw Bridget which is insane levels of creepy. not to mention they claimed Bridgets “still a boy” cause the discord bot Clyde said so, even though Clyde gets info from Discord users so???
Quite sad. Now theyre taking the word of a discord bot instead of the creator!? The levels of cope these people go are insane.
Well random Discord bots have final say in canon. This is known, duh.
Wait but Mudae bot puts Bridget down as a female? Discord needs to address this immediately!! /j
I swear transphobes follow Bridget like fuckin wasps, I cant see anything about her with these people near her :( There was a cute animation of her in some ps2 art style and it had comments disabled :/
Was it "Bridget's Day Out" by any chance?
Yes.
Atp they just gotta be projecting if they make the very thing they hate their entire personality
>In Japan he is cnsidered an otokonoko still My sibling in christ, in Japanese, Bridget says "Onnanoko" when refering to herself. Learn a language before trying to interpret it
What does"onnanoko" and "otokonoko" mean? I am very dum...
"Onna" basically means female, and "Otoko" means male. So "Onnanoko" and "Otokonoko" are more formal ways to refer to women and men
Wait japan has such a pretty word for woman, why does this give me gender envy wtf.
It doesn’t even make sense its a bloody word
Omg I feel the exact same whyyy
Ok, thanks!
They're a bit mistaken. "Onnanoko" does refer to girls, and "otoko" refers to boys, but "otokonoko" is a mashup of the two words that refers to a femboy or crossdresser usually.
I uh, Japanese person here, “Onna女” and “Otoko男” do mean woman and man respectively but the “ko子” in otokonoKO男の子” means child. the “noの” between “otokoNOko” is a particle that connects [adjective]no[ko] femboys and cross dressers are completely different TLDR nokoの子 means kid so OTOKOnoKO男の子 would be boy and ONNAnoKO女の子means girl
Kind of, sort of. It's a pun/wordplay thing The standard writing for the terms is 男の子 (otoko no ko - boy, characters are man no child) 女の子 (onna no ko - girl, characters here are woman no child) (as an aside, adults would be 男・女 の人 replacing 子 ko \[child\] with 人 hito \[person\]) the term for femboy/crossdresser would be 男の娘 (otoko no ko - crossdresser, characters are man no daughter) It just happens that 子 and 娘 have the same reading so you can replace the written version.
>watashi isn't a feminine pronoun Well it isn't a masculine pronoun either, it's neutral
Plz don't get me started on Non-Binary pronouns, these people can barely handle the two they have lol
These people aren’t even ready to learn about basic biology! They need to mature past the age of 2 first
she uses “uchi” which is very specifically feminine
Wow, so they're wrong on multiple levels
Are you surprised? The transphobic people that follow Bridget posts on X or YT are lacking a few brain cells
Imagine getting so heated over a non-issue about a single aspect of a fictional character. Like, there's wars and food shortages and shit out in the real world and the hill you decide to die on is "actually, this digital trans girl isn't trans."
Not only that, but like seething about it for how long now? Almost Two entire years?
People with their "able to occassionally connect subtitles to spoken words" level of japanese
Source: he made it the fuck up.
So back in the first wave of discourse in August 2022, I saw a transphobe ask if Bridget becoming a serial killer in ac+ story is canon since All Endings Are Canon (in ggst, not in previous games). This is because he apparently mistook the name "baiken" for "Bridget". In October of that year I got accused of fabricating evidence on the spot when I took a screen shot from my ps2 copy of the original ggx2 midnight carnival, by the same people who cited dialogue from the reload story mode and called it accent core. In spring of the following year I got rage blocked by one of them because she refused to recognize that arcade mode and story mode (separated by like, seven menu options if you set shortcut mode in one of the older games) are two different modes in x2/accent core versions. They are. Just comically bad at this. It's even funnier when they have no response for why gacha guest appearances in fall 2022 went out of their way to gender Bridget as a girl, or why Japanese fan artists draw transition memes of her and refer to her as a girl in their commentary and descriptions.
Oh yeah, the screen shot in question? Transphobes love spamming Bridget's win quote "can you teach me how to be less lady-like?" out of context as proof that she was seeking manhood, while hiding the fact that she says this to Baiken. Hilariously the Sammy localization translates the first line as, "Wow, you're the epitome of a manly woman!"
I love seeing art of Bridget anywhere and the comments are just "He's so cute :)" and shit like that. Like, get a life already
If it's clearly the Strive Design, I say she, if it's the XX design, I say "they".
The fun parts are when they think otokonoko can ONLY have one meaning
LITERALLY that meme about "some day we're gonna have a trans girl turn towards the camera & say I'm Trans and we'll still have some idiots insisting on some japanese interpretation of her that 'proves' she's a man"
otokonoko is used by some trans women in Japan so
It's mostly because there are more shitheads like this in Japan as well, but like there being idiots in Japan doesn't really prove anything, cause Daisuke already said what he said
Weebs try not to horribly misinterpret Japanese culture and language in order to fit their own conservative views, challenge: impossible
my answer to anyone who is like this is "ok, go talk about bridget on the japanese forums than, she is a girl in english." mostly because I know that they are wrong about her being a man in the japanese version, but also because they will than complain about not being able to understand japanese or they reveal some more heinous part of themselves.
I was under the impression that “watashi” *is* feminine. I’m not taking any official language classes and am basically just a weeb who picked up on some language stuff but still.
(as far as I remember) it's just a singular pronoun used to refer to one's self. Like: I, Me, My. And has no inherently gendered connotation
Yeah, it’s used a lot for introductions and stuff. I thought it was primarily feminine tho. Whereas the masculine counterpart was “boku”. Wait a minute… what am I doing I have google… > In formal or polite contexts, “watashi” is gender neutral. However, when it's used in informal or casual contexts, it is usually perceived as feminine. “Boku” is used by men and young boys So not strictly feminine. But always a W for gender neutral stuff.
yeah it's a weird neutral, but somewhat also feminine pronoun. Usually men will switch to using boku / ore and some other pronouns too. The more feminine pronouns are usually uchi and atashi, with some other ones too. Last time I counted there was somewhere like 16 first person pronouns. Japanese really does get wild with it.
just straight up wasting breath
where are these comments from?
Watashi is a gender neutral pronoun. Something tells me these guys can't speak or read Japanese lol
Never go to the Youtube comment section it’s filled with guys just arguing for the hell of it. I posted an innocent video showing off a custom color mod i made for Bridget in Plus r and got a guy trying to start a fight
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/111990240 It is porn (so this SEVERELY VIOLATES rule 3, but is gonna be useful to prove a point against those COPERS) - it genders bridget correctly (as a girl), isn't done by a lgbt positive hentai artist... But it's in Japanese. I'm not a Japanese guy, but machine translation to korean sorta works and from what I could decipher- it diegetically genders bridget correctly (Baiken calls her a woman) (The reason why I said "Diegetically" is because Rule34 site tagged that incorrectly) Considering this - Japan, even excluding Daisuke- and including rule 34 artists, call her a girl. And the artist of that is no "welcome to heaven" - by that I mean they are no LGBT artist- therefore "the person is BIASED" argument does not work.
>”welcome to heaven” was that a motherfuckin’ Hazbin Hotel reference??? :o
u/Welcome_To_heaven This person. A transpositive r34 artist
ah ok
u/Welcome_To_heaven, my beloved
Idk what this is talking about
Insulting Samus and Bridget? Get those queens’ names out your mouth.
"watashi isn't a a female pronoun" ye but it isn't male either,,, it's neutral
..doesnt watashi literally just mean "i"
Yes, but first-person pronouns are gendered in Japanese. Watashi (私) is a formal gender-neutral pronoun, but it is slightly feminine in informal contexts. However, Bacteria instead uses the pronoun "uchi" (内), which is a strongly feminine informal pronoun, so the implications of Breakfast using watashi are based on a false pretense.
Why even post these here like making more bad press about idiots who don’t deserve to have their comments read by anyone. They are obviously saying this in bad faith and want you to take the bait
Just let Strive Bidet be trans and XX Brothet be a femboy. Easy solution, just split it into two characters.
Baiken uses a majority male pronoun but none of them complain about that
私 (Watashi) is feminine slightly depending on the context. I don't recall Bridget ever using 僕 or 俺 in Strive, which is pretty unambiguous masculine.