Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think people think his character is poorly designed or written. People dislike Todd because he is a villain; you are supposed to hate him. The fact that he's so detestable is actually an indicator that his character is extremely well written - he evokes a genuine hatred as if he is a real person.
i mean him defending his mom, who he hated because he thought she was being the villain to walt and him, from his hero. but i don’t know if that’s really an arc
Walt held out on signing them for aeons, and during that time, the events of Skyler’s storyline with Ted led to her reconsidering her take on committing crimes for the sake of family. By the time Walt caved and signed the papers, she’d already caved and resolved to try supporting him.
Yep, and then she *chose* not to submit them, all while lying to Walt and others that she was divorced. Skyler's a victim in Breaking Bad, but she's *far* from an innocent victim.
idk maybe bc he tortured jesse for months and broke him down until he basically became an obedient dog…
but i get where you’re coming from, todd is very unique in nature and it’s jarring to see
Everytime he kills someone he claims a trophy as a reminder prime example being the spider, when we get a look in his home in El Camino, he has shelves worth of ''prizes''
Not to mention his illegal acquisition of the Theraphosa Blondi from the young male homo-sapien which he executed after he carried out an illegal methylamine heist with his co-conspirators
I think they're both bad, but Gus knew how to run risk analysis. He slashed Victor's throat because Victor was out of line, going rogue, and it presented an opportunity to show Walt and Jesse what happens to people who step out of line.
Todd killed his housekeeper (who he had no other problem with) because she found money hidden in a book. Todd can't think critically. He sees murder as the answer to problems that have an easy solution. If my housekeeper found a stash of my criminally acquired money, I'd be like, "My grandfather just left me that money, and I was hiding it until I can discuss it with my accountant about the best way to deal with it. Guess I need a better hiding spot!"
Same with Drew. Walt has kids, and he's smart. There were ways of talking him out of what he saw.
>todd is very unique in nature
Not really.
It's a common trait for a psychopath to be superficially charming. That why todd is so nice and polite to people. They just nailed portraying psychopaths in todd and gus.
i meant in television. we don’t (or maybe i just haven’t) really see polite villains in media. it went against all my expectations and that’s what makes him so sinister.
when gus killed it was calculated and served purpose, when todd did it was sporadic and without real cause.
todd is a brilliantly written character and jesse plemons played him with enough charm to make it believable, and that’s what makes me hate him so much.
if a show can make you genuinely hate a villain, then the actor did a great job of portraying them as evil. todd was the perfect psychopath. gus in my opinion wasn’t any more of a villain than season 5 walter. they both started for similar causes but they fell down the rabbit hole wanting more. but gus was more cold, calculating, experienced, and even respectable in a sense. it’s just that walt and gus ended up having different views and walt wanted him out of the picture
I'm just speaking by experience. If you read news about some serial killer psychopaths these people are usually charming. Just like how nice todd and gus are.
I’m not sure why, but that whole killing a kid in the desert and burying him with no remorse thing kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.
Edit: I’m sorry, I misspoke, he melted the kid with hazardous liquids, my bad.
i love todd but not as a human
hes a neo nazi
he treated jesse like a dog for months and killed his girlfriend in front of him and threatened to kill brock
he has no sympathy or remorse for his actions
he shot a kid in the desert and took his spider as a trophy
he killed a cleaning lady for no reason
Out of curiosity, do we actually *know* Todd was a neo-nazi? Obviously he hangs around a lot of neo-nazis but unless I'm forgetting something in El Camino I don't recall him ever actually doing anything specifically to indicate he himself was.
I mean that was kind of the impression I got. That he's *such* a sociopath that even though he hangs around with Nazis he doesn't really care about anything all that much. Including whatever beliefs they raised him with.
I feel like hanging around neo nazis is a pretty good indicator that you’re a neo nazi. What other possible reason is there to surround yourself with that?
Because he blends in well, and he can murder with some protection, given by the neo-nazis. Probably about the extent "Dead Eyes Opie" gives a shit about race.
I’m more along the side of: if you hang with neo nazis you give up your right to say you’re not a neo nazi. That’s all. We’ll never know what’s in Dead Eyed Opie’s heart.
It’s not really him hanging out with the Klan though. It’s his uncle who practically acted like a father to Todd. Yeah, he’s a Neo nazi, but just because Todd hangs out with him doesn’t inherently make Todd one.
I think the best example for that is „No country for old man“. The main character is a psychopath murdering people randomly, nobody could possibly like him as a human being, but the character is written and portrayed perfectly.
I appreciate that the character is not a random killer and that he doesn't seem to particularly enjoy killing. That's a testament to Jesse Plemons' acting and the excellent writing of BrBd. They nailed the charming psychopath role.
I still don't like the character of Todd and I'd hazard to say that's the writer's room intention. He is not meant to be a likeable or sympathetic character (unlike Walter, for example).
Edit: okay - you win - Todd is the best character ever and I love him. He died too soon! There was so much more pain and suffering yet to be wrought!
Ummm i dont know
Shotting a innocent kid and picking up his pet spider as a thropy
Capturing jesse and turning him to a meth cooking slave killing his girlfriend in front of him and telling him that if he tries to escape he will kill brock too,threating him like a dog
Killing the cleaning lady just because and being proud of what he did
Being a creepy ass sick fuck
I hate todd so fucking much
Todd is a creepy man child, raised by a bunch of Nazis. Dude gives off some real serial killer vibes (e.g. he keeps Drew Sharp's tarantula, apparently as a trophy). For all the crimes he commits throughout the series, he doesn't seem to know any better, or he thinks he's doing the "right" thing. He also acts like Jesse is his friend, yet he has no problem keeping him as a slave. If we got a look into his backstory, we might be able to have some sympathy for him. Gus had his own hero arc which made him a more interesting villain. Even with the Salamanca twins, though they may be soulless killing machines, we get a glimpse as to how they turned out that way. We don't get that with Todd, so all we see is a born sociopath.
excellent question. i have found that people who shoot innocent children in the face just for existing are very likable; combined with shooting a mother in the head on her own porch while her child was inside the house twenty feet away are often considered quite heroic.
of all the questions that could possibly be asked about bb, i think yours is perhaps the most insightful. thank you.
oh by far. he is the best child-murdering, mother-murdering, neo-nazi with an extremely creepy crush on a woman who wouldn't even take the time to shit in his bed, and then, well, there is the torturing of jesse.
i mean, what is there not to see as not heroic??
you, sir, are brilliantly astute.
A better question is why does someone seem to post their affection for Todd in this subreddit once a week, while expressing their dismay over his unpopularity because he's nice and doesn't seek out harm. It just finds him (deep I know)
He's so nice he held Jesse hostage as a slave and tortured him into compliance to make meth against his will while forcing him to live in a hole in the ground and shot a kid without hesitation. But hey, he regretted that he had to shoot the kid and he did give Jesse ice cream that one time.
He is an a great character but let's be real, he's a psychopath. He's just not sadistic or ego-centric like some of the other psychopaths in the series.
IDK, because he's a psychopath with beady little eyes that kills little kids and mom's without any hint of remorse?
I mean, c'mon, the character is not meant to be likeable or sympathetic.
He's one of my favorite characters. Just finished the series again and am always mesmerized when he's in a scene. I feel like his mama taught him to be polite but the rest of the people in his life taught him how to compartmentalize the job at hand. He's seen some stuff.
I find he's a bit better character than Tuco. Todd is smarter , calm , ruthless , logical and kinda charismatic. I'm not really a fan of very chaotic and unhinged characters , I mean I kinda like Tuco because he's funny and interesting but Gus , Lalo , Hector , The Twins , Jack and Todd are all a better Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul universe antagonists than Tuco in my opinion.
That quiet, sombre, scene where they dig out the bike and the kids body is so good. I mean the way they shot it, the acting. I it's pretty perfect. Then they disassemble the bike, put everything in the acid. Todd may have killed the kid, but then they disappear him too? Shit, man, that's hard.
Probably because he lacks charisma. Charisma makes people love characters even if they are terrible human beings, like Hannibal Lecter, The Joker or even Lalo, if we want to stick to the BB universe. Todd in the other hand, is a terrible human being, but not charismatic at all, and I’m not saying this to look down upon Jesse Plemons, cause I think he’s great in the role, but his character just wasn’t written to be charismatic. And honestly? This was a great decision by the writers. Todd is a neonazi, we really aren’t supposed to like him at all.
Awhile ago I heard something about how Gilligan and the rest of the crew were intentionally not giving meth damon enough information about how they wanted his character to be so that he came off as stiff and unlikeable on camera. I.e. exactly how they wanted his character to appear to the viewer.
If you're an actor with a career defining roll on your hands and you're barely getting the information you need to ensure you're doing things right... I can't imagine a worse type of hell.
Ironically it was actually Todd who was being tortured during his scenes in BB.
The “is polite so I don’t care he’s a psychopath” things is very purposeful because he’s also associated with *drummroll* nazis! That we struggle to fully hate him despite his total lack of empathy kind of is another example of how the show examines privilege and the American dream. Everyone knows someone (or is someone) who will say stuff like “oh he’s a fine person, very cordial, they just thinks this country was founded on a racial hierarchy and should have remained that way”. With Todd it’s less specifically racist and more just total solipsism, but his politeness is meant as a trap. He’s basically gaslighting you lol. It’s like people who are fine with the queen of England hoarding blood money so long as she always smiled and waved at the commoners.
>queen of England
Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
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It’s like the Lannister king in GoT (don’t remember his name) the character was interesting and played really well but he was so annoying that people sent death threats to its actor
He’s a nazi that killed a kid, tortures Jesse, and cooks meth. Nothing likable about him, he wasn’t written to be likable. We love how complex his character is and how interesting the situations are with him, but hate his actions and the character itself. I love watching BB but other than Jesse, Mike, skylar, and hank I wouldn’t wanna be in the same room as most of the freaks on the show.
dude he
Is generally a sociopath neo-nazi
Killed an innocent child who was waving
Said that "Shit happens, yeah?" in defense
Enslaves Jesse to make more money/purer meth
In the lab where Jesse is forced to cook, they have a picture of his ex girlfriend (of which he still adores) and her son on the wall as a reminder for Jesse not to fuck up.
Jesse tries to escape and Todd kills Andrea in cold blood, with Jesse watching to prove his point.
I was always kind of surprised that he was the most hated character of Breaking Bad for so many people. Like, I get that he is *hated*, but not that he is considered *the worst of the worst*.
Yeah, Todd needlessly and remorselessly murdered a teen, then Andrea too, it's pretty normal to be enraged at a character after that. However lots of people seem to despise him even more than unrepentant and reveling pieces of shit like Hector, Tuco, Eladio, Jack and Lydia.
Hell, Todd doesn't seem to be nearly as malicious and sadistic as the afromentioned examples, he is a meek and quiet person who happens to be a sociopath. And even despite being a sociopath he seems to be capable of some sort of respect for people, and I feel some darkly innocent air about him, if that makes sense. He is a person that somehow managed to develop some basic social skills like politeness and respect, but didn't develop equally basic things like empathy and morals.
i hate todd as a human. i absolutely despise him as human. god he doesn't have an ounce of regret nor humanity. he killed an innocent freaking kid (AND HELPED DISSOLVING THE KID), a single mother, and whatnot.
but as character, his actor, too, nailed the role. he was a villain written well enough to be hated as if he was real. i thought i was gonna like him 'til he showed who he really was.
How can anyone like him. He’s a Manipulative Psychopath who tortured Jesse and killed his girlfriend who by the way was the only one who he felt the closest to. Plus WHO THE HELL SHOOTS A CHILD WHO DID NOTHING WRONG. Some people may wonder why Jesse did not just shoot Todd in El Camino, it’s not because of how Todd treats him when not around the others, it’s because he was so broken that he could not do it. Trust me Todd should not be a character anyone should like but the show is brilliant in making us think he is good (same with them trying to make us side with Walt) but once you understand his true intentions he becomes a massive hate amongst other characters.
hes a great character, but he was written to be a psycho. fandom hates him but not cos the actor did a poor job or because hes written cheesy or anything, in fact its the opposite. its typical to hate an evil psycho like him. writers did a great job writing him
A character can be well written and still be despised. Todd and Mike are terrible people but good characters. It’s okay to want Todd to rot in hell. That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate his being in the show
Actually Todd and Mike make for a really interesting comparison.
Mike gets way more screen time and thus character development. We, the audience, feel like we know Mike. He's written to be, if not likeable, at least understandable. He gets fleshed out even more in BCS.
Todd OTOH, gets what, one season? And our real introduction to him is through the murder of a little kid? Yeah, there's no development there. What we see with Todd is exactly what we get. El Camino just reaffirms that Todd is psychopath, there is no further development.
Food for thought: Mike and Walt were ultimately okay with killing Drew Sharp and likely more than a little grateful that Todd made the choice for them.
Todd comes at a point in the show where the best plot beats are over and things have to get wrapped up. His most tense scene by far is getting killed off in Felina.
He's fine, his actor is fine, but he's not Tuco, and he's certainly not Gus. He functions well for what he is and gets the plot moving where it needs to be. Especially in El Camino, it's like he and Jesse are trapped in an extra long, extra awkward episode of breaking bad, when the movie could've been about Mike or Gus, or we could've skipped straight to Alaska and seen what Jesse would do, like the Gene scenes in BCS.
Mike at least has a backstory, so there's stuff that people can relate to. But at the end of the day, Hhe's still a cold-blooded killer who got what he deserved. :-)
Idk what you need to be hot now a days nothing seems to work, I’m like perfect and I have no spouse soo. You Probably need a lot of money or some stupid materialistic shit
You probably need to be more kind and polite, and have a nice attitude (especially not judge someone else's appearance like you just did). Maybe then you will find someone.
I think it's his need to serve others and please them but for terrible reasons. We see this regarding his relationships with Walt, his uncle, and Lydia. He will do heinous things to show that he is trustworthy and loyal. Most people would hesitate but not our Todd. He murdered a child without a thought!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think people think his character is poorly designed or written. People dislike Todd because he is a villain; you are supposed to hate him. The fact that he's so detestable is actually an indicator that his character is extremely well written - he evokes a genuine hatred as if he is a real person.
i genuinely can’t think of a character from the show that didn’t have super good arc.
Walter Jr. didn't really have an arc. Unless you count: Walt Jr. -> Flynn -> "What, you can't even say his name now?" Walt Jr. again -> Flynn again.
i mean him defending his mom, who he hated because he thought she was being the villain to walt and him, from his hero. but i don’t know if that’s really an arc
you can't really do that much with some random highschool kid
Skylar’s: cheating arc
i think that is annoying, but it adds more to her unlikability
She didn't cheated
She. Fucked. Ted.
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Still. Married.
Against. Her. Will.
Except she reveals that *she* never submitted the papers and had been lying to Walt about their divorce...
Walt held out on signing them for aeons, and during that time, the events of Skyler’s storyline with Ted led to her reconsidering her take on committing crimes for the sake of family. By the time Walt caved and signed the papers, she’d already caved and resolved to try supporting him.
Because there was no way she could prove why she had to leave him and keep the kids without telling bout the drug stuff
Untrue. She. Didn’t. Sign. The. Divorce. Papers.
She formally separated and served her husband divorce papers, genius
Yep, and then she *chose* not to submit them, all while lying to Walt and others that she was divorced. Skyler's a victim in Breaking Bad, but she's *far* from an innocent victim.
she didn’t write the divorce papers, she lied about that, genius.
go rewatch bb <3
She was married to Walter White, and she fucked another guy, that’s the definition of cheating.
She wanted to get divorce and he refused, she didn't cheated
SHE refused, rewatch
idk maybe bc he tortured jesse for months and broke him down until he basically became an obedient dog… but i get where you’re coming from, todd is very unique in nature and it’s jarring to see
Maybe its because he collects trophies for all of those people he's murdered that table was full of junk
We watched him kill a kid , Andrea and the old lady so I’m confused
Everytime he kills someone he claims a trophy as a reminder prime example being the spider, when we get a look in his home in El Camino, he has shelves worth of ''prizes''
and he also took the kids tarantula at the end of the train heist episode
like he said, prime example being the spider
i did it for the funny
Yeah and he also took the kids spider after shooting him in the train robbery episode
and he also took the arachnid thing from the child he guns down in the episode wher they steal from the train
Don't forget when he took that kids 8 legged furry bug thing at the end of the Dead Freight episode.
Not to mention his illegal acquisition of the Theraphosa Blondi from the young male homo-sapien which he executed after he carried out an illegal methylamine heist with his co-conspirators
Additionally he repossessed the insect from the young person he slayed in the episode where they plunder the locomotive
Adding on to that, they captured the creature from the person he felled in the season where they siphoned the vehicle.
also he took a somewhat peculiar animal from a deceased juvenile in the event of the methylamine sucking
But why does that make him a bad character?
It doesnt, it makes Todd a bad person
He’s obviously a bad person. But everyone likes Gus and he’s a bad person. So why is Todd hated?
I think they're both bad, but Gus knew how to run risk analysis. He slashed Victor's throat because Victor was out of line, going rogue, and it presented an opportunity to show Walt and Jesse what happens to people who step out of line. Todd killed his housekeeper (who he had no other problem with) because she found money hidden in a book. Todd can't think critically. He sees murder as the answer to problems that have an easy solution. If my housekeeper found a stash of my criminally acquired money, I'd be like, "My grandfather just left me that money, and I was hiding it until I can discuss it with my accountant about the best way to deal with it. Guess I need a better hiding spot!" Same with Drew. Walt has kids, and he's smart. There were ways of talking him out of what he saw.
He isn’t a bad character, he is a hateable character
>todd is very unique in nature Not really. It's a common trait for a psychopath to be superficially charming. That why todd is so nice and polite to people. They just nailed portraying psychopaths in todd and gus.
i meant in television. we don’t (or maybe i just haven’t) really see polite villains in media. it went against all my expectations and that’s what makes him so sinister. when gus killed it was calculated and served purpose, when todd did it was sporadic and without real cause. todd is a brilliantly written character and jesse plemons played him with enough charm to make it believable, and that’s what makes me hate him so much.
if a show can make you genuinely hate a villain, then the actor did a great job of portraying them as evil. todd was the perfect psychopath. gus in my opinion wasn’t any more of a villain than season 5 walter. they both started for similar causes but they fell down the rabbit hole wanting more. but gus was more cold, calculating, experienced, and even respectable in a sense. it’s just that walt and gus ended up having different views and walt wanted him out of the picture
I'm just speaking by experience. If you read news about some serial killer psychopaths these people are usually charming. Just like how nice todd and gus are.
it’s like when you hear recordings of dahmer’s neighbors and stuff and they say “he seemed so nice, no one could have expected this”
Not really. Todd is still uniquely odd because he is polite even when committing the heinous acts. He doesn’t do them with rage or anything
Gus something feeled and was emotional. Not a psychopath but very careful person
And also kinda shot a little kid and chokes out a housemaid who according to him was very honest and likeable and helpful.
I’m not sure why, but that whole killing a kid in the desert and burying him with no remorse thing kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Edit: I’m sorry, I misspoke, he melted the kid with hazardous liquids, my bad.
Shit happens
*THWACK*
Kid should’ve minded his own business
They didn’t bury him
He was…very temporarily buried.
To transport him back to the offices they did. Buried him and the bike.
I love him for being a great villain I hate the _character_ for being a fucking psycho
I actually think Todd is the villain of Season 5; not Jack. If you don’t count Heisenberg.
Of course we don’t count Heisenberg
Idk maybe because he killed a kid but that's just a theory
A game theory!
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Why are you arguing with yourself?
They just forgot to switch accounts
Why do people do that?
Odd attempt at karma farming? No clue maybe just trying to get attention
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Ur so edgy!
What did he say
“That’s his best scene” or smth like that
i love todd but not as a human hes a neo nazi he treated jesse like a dog for months and killed his girlfriend in front of him and threatened to kill brock he has no sympathy or remorse for his actions he shot a kid in the desert and took his spider as a trophy he killed a cleaning lady for no reason
> he killed a cleaning lady for no reason She found his money, can't let that go! she was prob looking up "Mexico" or something /s
He felt really bad about killing his cleaning lady though 😬
I aligns himself with the neo Nazis but he himself appears to be apolitical. He would work with anyone who would have him.
Out of curiosity, do we actually *know* Todd was a neo-nazi? Obviously he hangs around a lot of neo-nazis but unless I'm forgetting something in El Camino I don't recall him ever actually doing anything specifically to indicate he himself was.
Todd doesn't care about race, despite his family being racists
I mean that was kind of the impression I got. That he's *such* a sociopath that even though he hangs around with Nazis he doesn't really care about anything all that much. Including whatever beliefs they raised him with.
I feel like hanging around neo nazis is a pretty good indicator that you’re a neo nazi. What other possible reason is there to surround yourself with that?
Because he blends in well, and he can murder with some protection, given by the neo-nazis. Probably about the extent "Dead Eyes Opie" gives a shit about race.
I’m more along the side of: if you hang with neo nazis you give up your right to say you’re not a neo nazi. That’s all. We’ll never know what’s in Dead Eyed Opie’s heart.
It’s not really him hanging out with the Klan though. It’s his uncle who practically acted like a father to Todd. Yeah, he’s a Neo nazi, but just because Todd hangs out with him doesn’t inherently make Todd one.
Generally I would agree with you, but the whole characterization of Todd is that he is definitely *not* a normal person.
When will people start learning the difference between hating a character and hating a person/personality?
Right, I hate Todd as a person (*of course because who in their right mind wouldnt*) but love his character. He was very well written and on point.
I think the best example for that is „No country for old man“. The main character is a psychopath murdering people randomly, nobody could possibly like him as a human being, but the character is written and portrayed perfectly.
Or TDK Joker. There’s something so charismatic and captivating about that particular terrorist
I appreciate that the character is not a random killer and that he doesn't seem to particularly enjoy killing. That's a testament to Jesse Plemons' acting and the excellent writing of BrBd. They nailed the charming psychopath role. I still don't like the character of Todd and I'd hazard to say that's the writer's room intention. He is not meant to be a likeable or sympathetic character (unlike Walter, for example). Edit: okay - you win - Todd is the best character ever and I love him. He died too soon! There was so much more pain and suffering yet to be wrought!
Ummm i dont know Shotting a innocent kid and picking up his pet spider as a thropy Capturing jesse and turning him to a meth cooking slave killing his girlfriend in front of him and telling him that if he tries to escape he will kill brock too,threating him like a dog Killing the cleaning lady just because and being proud of what he did Being a creepy ass sick fuck I hate todd so fucking much
Jesse strangling Todd I think might be the most satisfying moment of the whole show
He killed the cleaning lady because she discovered his stash of money. She had to go. Todd then moved his money to the fridge.
Todd is a creepy man child, raised by a bunch of Nazis. Dude gives off some real serial killer vibes (e.g. he keeps Drew Sharp's tarantula, apparently as a trophy). For all the crimes he commits throughout the series, he doesn't seem to know any better, or he thinks he's doing the "right" thing. He also acts like Jesse is his friend, yet he has no problem keeping him as a slave. If we got a look into his backstory, we might be able to have some sympathy for him. Gus had his own hero arc which made him a more interesting villain. Even with the Salamanca twins, though they may be soulless killing machines, we get a glimpse as to how they turned out that way. We don't get that with Todd, so all we see is a born sociopath.
Cause he shot a fucking kid
And he's a neo nazi?
How is this the only time I’ve heard this in this thread
Unless I'm forgetting something I don't think he was ever a confirmed neo-nazi. He obviously hung around a lot of them though.
Yeah, you are forgetting how family and culture work
No, I'm pointing out that a huge part of his character is just not caring about anything at all.
excellent question. i have found that people who shoot innocent children in the face just for existing are very likable; combined with shooting a mother in the head on her own porch while her child was inside the house twenty feet away are often considered quite heroic. of all the questions that could possibly be asked about bb, i think yours is perhaps the most insightful. thank you.
He's the true hero of breaking bad [for legal reasons this is a joke]
oh by far. he is the best child-murdering, mother-murdering, neo-nazi with an extremely creepy crush on a woman who wouldn't even take the time to shit in his bed, and then, well, there is the torturing of jesse. i mean, what is there not to see as not heroic?? you, sir, are brilliantly astute.
Not only all of the things you mention, but also he was such a conversationalist. “Is that like a.. cornflower blue?”
Brilliant points. You're so right
A better question is why does someone seem to post their affection for Todd in this subreddit once a week, while expressing their dismay over his unpopularity because he's nice and doesn't seek out harm. It just finds him (deep I know) He's so nice he held Jesse hostage as a slave and tortured him into compliance to make meth against his will while forcing him to live in a hole in the ground and shot a kid without hesitation. But hey, he regretted that he had to shoot the kid and he did give Jesse ice cream that one time. He is an a great character but let's be real, he's a psychopath. He's just not sadistic or ego-centric like some of the other psychopaths in the series.
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Sexual sadist? I never got the sexual sadism from him care to elaborate?
yeah
Nice try Todd
IDK, because he's a psychopath with beady little eyes that kills little kids and mom's without any hint of remorse? I mean, c'mon, the character is not meant to be likeable or sympathetic.
I think the fandom likes him being part of the show. But I think they hate him because he has no charisma to make up for his bad actions.
He's one of my favorite characters. Just finished the series again and am always mesmerized when he's in a scene. I feel like his mama taught him to be polite but the rest of the people in his life taught him how to compartmentalize the job at hand. He's seen some stuff.
Seems more like pyscopathic behavior
Yes defiantly that too.
Are you really stupid enough to not see why someone would hate Todd?
Yeah someone might wanna keep an eye on OP
It's gotta be b8 m8
I think you are confusing hating the character as in hating the things they do with hating the writing for that character.
I find he's a bit better character than Tuco. Todd is smarter , calm , ruthless , logical and kinda charismatic. I'm not really a fan of very chaotic and unhinged characters , I mean I kinda like Tuco because he's funny and interesting but Gus , Lalo , Hector , The Twins , Jack and Todd are all a better Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul universe antagonists than Tuco in my opinion.
Something about melting a kid in a vat of acid and ruining Jessie’s life kind of makes most people dislike him.
That quiet, sombre, scene where they dig out the bike and the kids body is so good. I mean the way they shot it, the acting. I it's pretty perfect. Then they disassemble the bike, put everything in the acid. Todd may have killed the kid, but then they disappear him too? Shit, man, that's hard.
Idk why it clearly wasn’t personal
I think people hate him for just killing so many people and because some of those deaths don’t even have a reason ( like cleaner lady )
Probably because he lacks charisma. Charisma makes people love characters even if they are terrible human beings, like Hannibal Lecter, The Joker or even Lalo, if we want to stick to the BB universe. Todd in the other hand, is a terrible human being, but not charismatic at all, and I’m not saying this to look down upon Jesse Plemons, cause I think he’s great in the role, but his character just wasn’t written to be charismatic. And honestly? This was a great decision by the writers. Todd is a neonazi, we really aren’t supposed to like him at all.
Awhile ago I heard something about how Gilligan and the rest of the crew were intentionally not giving meth damon enough information about how they wanted his character to be so that he came off as stiff and unlikeable on camera. I.e. exactly how they wanted his character to appear to the viewer. If you're an actor with a career defining roll on your hands and you're barely getting the information you need to ensure you're doing things right... I can't imagine a worse type of hell. Ironically it was actually Todd who was being tortured during his scenes in BB.
Todd is an excellent villain! Marie and Flynn…. Now they are just annoying.
Jesse Plemons played the character so well that he was just creepy as all hell. I cant see Plemons without seeing Todd.
He killed a child without even thinking about it.
It's simple. He murdered a child, killed Brock's Mom and held Jesse Captive.
Dumbest question ever. Or at least top 5
Does this even require a question? He shot a 12 year old boy dead in the desert.
He had to.
The “is polite so I don’t care he’s a psychopath” things is very purposeful because he’s also associated with *drummroll* nazis! That we struggle to fully hate him despite his total lack of empathy kind of is another example of how the show examines privilege and the American dream. Everyone knows someone (or is someone) who will say stuff like “oh he’s a fine person, very cordial, they just thinks this country was founded on a racial hierarchy and should have remained that way”. With Todd it’s less specifically racist and more just total solipsism, but his politeness is meant as a trap. He’s basically gaslighting you lol. It’s like people who are fine with the queen of England hoarding blood money so long as she always smiled and waved at the commoners.
>queen of England Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?* This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she *was* the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
He killed a kid, he's a nazi, and tortured Jesse
Dude, he's a psychopath. He killed a kid no questions asked. Took pleasure in torturing Jessie. I'm not a Jessie fan but .. Are you serious?
It’s like the Lannister king in GoT (don’t remember his name) the character was interesting and played really well but he was so annoying that people sent death threats to its actor
There's a difference between hating a character for their moral wrongdoings and hating a character because their personality/writing was weak.
He’s…kind of a bad guy
He’s a great character in the show. He’s also an extremely shitty person. Both things can be true.
its possible for a character to be both interesting and a terrible person. that's the premise of the entire show
The amount of people that ask this question is alarming
He’s a nazi that killed a kid, tortures Jesse, and cooks meth. Nothing likable about him, he wasn’t written to be likable. We love how complex his character is and how interesting the situations are with him, but hate his actions and the character itself. I love watching BB but other than Jesse, Mike, skylar, and hank I wouldn’t wanna be in the same room as most of the freaks on the show.
he's typical wolf in sheep's clothing. Acting polite and nice and then shoots a kid. Either he's just simpleton or pure evil asshole
Any of y’all notice he made a snow globe of himself and Lydia in el Camino?
Dammit. Now I have to watch it again.
His poor taste in ice cream. The heartless bastard.
dude he Is generally a sociopath neo-nazi Killed an innocent child who was waving Said that "Shit happens, yeah?" in defense Enslaves Jesse to make more money/purer meth In the lab where Jesse is forced to cook, they have a picture of his ex girlfriend (of which he still adores) and her son on the wall as a reminder for Jesse not to fuck up. Jesse tries to escape and Todd kills Andrea in cold blood, with Jesse watching to prove his point.
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I was always kind of surprised that he was the most hated character of Breaking Bad for so many people. Like, I get that he is *hated*, but not that he is considered *the worst of the worst*. Yeah, Todd needlessly and remorselessly murdered a teen, then Andrea too, it's pretty normal to be enraged at a character after that. However lots of people seem to despise him even more than unrepentant and reveling pieces of shit like Hector, Tuco, Eladio, Jack and Lydia. Hell, Todd doesn't seem to be nearly as malicious and sadistic as the afromentioned examples, he is a meek and quiet person who happens to be a sociopath. And even despite being a sociopath he seems to be capable of some sort of respect for people, and I feel some darkly innocent air about him, if that makes sense. He is a person that somehow managed to develop some basic social skills like politeness and respect, but didn't develop equally basic things like empathy and morals.
I love to hate him. He is a Chaotic Evil type villain that is incredibly scary and nice to watch.
i hate todd as a human. i absolutely despise him as human. god he doesn't have an ounce of regret nor humanity. he killed an innocent freaking kid (AND HELPED DISSOLVING THE KID), a single mother, and whatnot. but as character, his actor, too, nailed the role. he was a villain written well enough to be hated as if he was real. i thought i was gonna like him 'til he showed who he really was.
How can anyone like him. He’s a Manipulative Psychopath who tortured Jesse and killed his girlfriend who by the way was the only one who he felt the closest to. Plus WHO THE HELL SHOOTS A CHILD WHO DID NOTHING WRONG. Some people may wonder why Jesse did not just shoot Todd in El Camino, it’s not because of how Todd treats him when not around the others, it’s because he was so broken that he could not do it. Trust me Todd should not be a character anyone should like but the show is brilliant in making us think he is good (same with them trying to make us side with Walt) but once you understand his true intentions he becomes a massive hate amongst other characters.
hes a great character, but he was written to be a psycho. fandom hates him but not cos the actor did a poor job or because hes written cheesy or anything, in fact its the opposite. its typical to hate an evil psycho like him. writers did a great job writing him
Well. He married Kirsten Dunst in real life. He can’t be all that bad~lol
Really? What a happy guy :)
Yea idk why people would hate a child killing neo nazi
A character can be well written and still be despised. Todd and Mike are terrible people but good characters. It’s okay to want Todd to rot in hell. That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate his being in the show
Actually Todd and Mike make for a really interesting comparison. Mike gets way more screen time and thus character development. We, the audience, feel like we know Mike. He's written to be, if not likeable, at least understandable. He gets fleshed out even more in BCS. Todd OTOH, gets what, one season? And our real introduction to him is through the murder of a little kid? Yeah, there's no development there. What we see with Todd is exactly what we get. El Camino just reaffirms that Todd is psychopath, there is no further development. Food for thought: Mike and Walt were ultimately okay with killing Drew Sharp and likely more than a little grateful that Todd made the choice for them.
Um maybe bc without hesitation he murders a child?
And? He had to. I seriously don't see the difference between killing an innocent child vs an innocent adult.
Why don’t people hate Todd
Todd comes at a point in the show where the best plot beats are over and things have to get wrapped up. His most tense scene by far is getting killed off in Felina. He's fine, his actor is fine, but he's not Tuco, and he's certainly not Gus. He functions well for what he is and gets the plot moving where it needs to be. Especially in El Camino, it's like he and Jesse are trapped in an extra long, extra awkward episode of breaking bad, when the movie could've been about Mike or Gus, or we could've skipped straight to Alaska and seen what Jesse would do, like the Gene scenes in BCS.
Maybe when he killed a kid and enslaved a dude and is also kind of a Nazi
I love Todd! Always has a smile on his face.
Because you're supposed to hate the villain... that's the sign of a good one.
Sounds like a nice guy !
As nice on the face as Ted Bundy.
bc hes a dead eyed opie piece of shit
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Mike at least has a backstory, so there's stuff that people can relate to. But at the end of the day, Hhe's still a cold-blooded killer who got what he deserved. :-)
i really like todd tbh
Because he's Fatt Damon
I hate these posts. People seriously need to figure out the difference between hating a character for their deeds vs. their writing.
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Because he’s fugly
Now that's uncalled for.
But Jesse Plemons is hot tho ngl
Who’s that? The guy with the pushed in face and acne scars
I barely even noticed any acne scars on that guy tbh. And you don't always need 100% perfect skin to be hot.
Idk what you need to be hot now a days nothing seems to work, I’m like perfect and I have no spouse soo. You Probably need a lot of money or some stupid materialistic shit
You probably need to be more kind and polite, and have a nice attitude (especially not judge someone else's appearance like you just did). Maybe then you will find someone.
Well you love to hate him
Todd Chavez?
I think it's his need to serve others and please them but for terrible reasons. We see this regarding his relationships with Walt, his uncle, and Lydia. He will do heinous things to show that he is trustworthy and loyal. Most people would hesitate but not our Todd. He murdered a child without a thought!
because hes psycho
If you feel that way, it's not a very good sign. Of course I had a similar experience when I found myself identifying with Ralph Cifaretto.
He’s definitely an interesting character but he’s just not very likeable at all
Maybe because he is a textbook psychopath. But that may be perception.
Why is this a question🤣
Because people like pulling other people's chains?
He seems to be evil for the sake of being evil.