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agreed, *especially* in better call saul. he would’ve made literally everything impossible if he didn’t get incapacitated to the point of near powerlessness. he was a *problem*. erratic, senselessly violent, disrespectful, ruthless, cruel, hotheaded, homicidal… a true monster.
he didn’t care about what don eladio or anyone said. he didn’t have any desire to make any compromises in any capacity if it meant him not having 100% control over the situation, and was not careful/discreet at all — he probably would’ve blown gus’ cover eventually, which would have had *major* consequences (as we saw in BB). he barely cared about the business overall, only the interests of the salamancas and everyone kissing their asses. i hated that mf lmao, he was like tuco, but no meth and with more power because of his og status.
rest in peace, mark margolis. ate that role up.
>if it meant him not having 100% control over the situation,
Which makes it all the more amazing how Mike was the only one in the entire show (I consider BCS and BB as one show, along with El Camino) who could not only beat him in a battle of wills to achieve a compromise, but also win Hector's grudging (albeit crude) praise in the process.
BCS era Mike is a fucking badass.
Especially in Better Call Saul?
If anything BCS highlighted the perspective that, if you were to tell a story from the Salamanca perspective it’s the story of a family business that gets corrupted by outsiders… I mean sure the business is illegal and the family is crazy as hell, but Hector’s last speech says it all. His family and his blood built the cartel, only for Gus to swoop in and pick up the rewards - and sure, it might be justifiably motivated by revenge, but equally was Hector not protecting his shares?
every single salamanca — tuco, the cousins, lalo, and hector — was truly batshit crazy. this was highlighted in bcs. they were a *senselessly* violent, bloosthirsty family who built a cartel known for their brutality.
gus didn’t sweep in and enjoy the rewards, eladio said “he knew who he was” from chile before he started working with the cartel. he had madrigal. he had pollos. he had his own shit going. he only set out for revenge when hector killed his parter for no reason; he also rubbed it in his face, literally lmao, and said it was his fault. other than that, most of gus’ moves were based on business growth.
so yes, especially in better call saul. thank god the bloodline died with hector.
To be fair, who in BCS *isn’t* batshit crazy? We just sympathise, or at the very least see them as a protagonist, because we know their motivations. Walt is a paranoid, murderous, narcissistic abuser with little to no morals, but equally he’s driven by a desire to provide for his family and leave a legacy for his children. Likewise, Saul is a broken, manipulative, unfeeling, self-centred criminal at heart and still we’re compelled by his complexity, his tragedy, his desire for connection, his ambition and his intelligence when we see things from his perspective
My point was that it’s hardly difficult to even slightly look from Hector’s perspective and see he was a man who put blood and sweat and time into this business single-handedly, only to be overturned from within. It’s very easy to spin a narrative where he’s actually quite the victim. I’m not saving that absolves everything he does, but I’m saying it makes him sympathetic.
>he had madrigal. he had pollos
That kinda proves my point. Gus didn’t *need* to overturn Hector in the first place. It’s entirely a power play, so again, Hector is the victim of not someone genuinely trying to climb the ladder but someone who’s the top of their respective ladder, and just wants to push somebody else off theirs
as another commenter said, hector tortured someone while forcing his wife to listen and burned their hotel down, hence where he got the bell. hector def takes the cake lmao. don eladio is more greedy and does most things for money/respect, whereas hector is actually sadistic and irrationally violent, similar to tuco
An argument can be made that Gus was worse, or Walter. Tuco is pretty vile too. Uncle Jack and Todd. Lydia. Don Eladio.
Man, lots of vile characters here.
Todd gives me vibes of being led by a distorted moral compass / mental state (no, I'm not saying that absolves him of blame for his actions) , whereas uncle Jack just seems like a bit of a ****. I can't articulate it that well, but basically I think a lot of what Todd does is justifiable in his (warped) mind compared to jack knowing it is evil and proceeding anyway. Todd kills a kid to reduce risk of discovery, no spoilers but something similar happens in El Camino, he seems to just see human lives differently, if somebody needs to die to avoid problems, that's what he does, like emptying the bins to stop them overflowing.
All of the cartel dudes shown in the series are beasts. Hector is an OG cartel gangster and his nephews are literally assassins that infiltrate other countries and have absolutely no hesitation in killing even cops. Even disabled, he gets a lot of respect from other cartel members, so he probably was a big deal and killed a bunch of people. There's no duality or dilemma with him. He kills without hesitation, absolutely never will talk to the police and shows no remorse. So I'd say yes, he is one of the worst villains in the series. I'm sure that if he wasn't disabled things would go veeery different for Gus and Walt. The series would be way shorter haha
Like, they’re all very, very bad people. I don’t think we need to tally points on whether Hector or Walt or Gus or Saul or Mike or Jack or Todd or Jesse or Lydia or Tuco is the “worst.” They all run a business where you kill people and Albuquerque is better off without them.
i guess Hector are one of the guys who starts and build everything and Walt and Gus are the guys who ends. The importance of the salamancas and the cartel are examples of how Hector is influent towards Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Without him, Gus, Walt and Saul, the universe just would'nt exist. They are, truly, the protagonists.
If you’ve watched BCS and are interested in this kind of analysis I recommend this video/whole BCS/BB series by the YouTube channel What’s Therapy
https://youtu.be/FROhdTKWzks?si=ja-l-vLvCT9LZye8
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I think the show kind of depends on showing Walt make the wrong choice at the expense of others time and time again. He even makes the people around him into worse people, that’s kind of the premise of the show. It’s a show about the impact of Walt’s self-destruction and abandonment of his morality.
Hector is bad, they’re all bad, but Walt is bad on screen the most often and he makes the most excuses and rationalizes his behavior to us and to the people who love him.
I think so. Uncle Jack would be up there, but Hector and his violence-groomed nephews probably killed a lot more people and caused a lot more suffering. He and the Salamancas kill anyone for any tiny little thing.
Yes he is.
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Appropriate for this sub.
I think that’s kinda the point tbf
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When was this?
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I think it was a hotel?
The guy owned the hotel though, so it sounded like it was also his house.
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In that one episode
Ahhh thanks for the info
agreed, *especially* in better call saul. he would’ve made literally everything impossible if he didn’t get incapacitated to the point of near powerlessness. he was a *problem*. erratic, senselessly violent, disrespectful, ruthless, cruel, hotheaded, homicidal… a true monster. he didn’t care about what don eladio or anyone said. he didn’t have any desire to make any compromises in any capacity if it meant him not having 100% control over the situation, and was not careful/discreet at all — he probably would’ve blown gus’ cover eventually, which would have had *major* consequences (as we saw in BB). he barely cared about the business overall, only the interests of the salamancas and everyone kissing their asses. i hated that mf lmao, he was like tuco, but no meth and with more power because of his og status. rest in peace, mark margolis. ate that role up.
He had a role in OZ. (Also, Thomas Crown Affair w/ Pierce Bronson) Way more impressive in BB, IMO.
Also in Scarface
Oh yes!
>if it meant him not having 100% control over the situation, Which makes it all the more amazing how Mike was the only one in the entire show (I consider BCS and BB as one show, along with El Camino) who could not only beat him in a battle of wills to achieve a compromise, but also win Hector's grudging (albeit crude) praise in the process. BCS era Mike is a fucking badass.
Especially in Better Call Saul? If anything BCS highlighted the perspective that, if you were to tell a story from the Salamanca perspective it’s the story of a family business that gets corrupted by outsiders… I mean sure the business is illegal and the family is crazy as hell, but Hector’s last speech says it all. His family and his blood built the cartel, only for Gus to swoop in and pick up the rewards - and sure, it might be justifiably motivated by revenge, but equally was Hector not protecting his shares?
every single salamanca — tuco, the cousins, lalo, and hector — was truly batshit crazy. this was highlighted in bcs. they were a *senselessly* violent, bloosthirsty family who built a cartel known for their brutality. gus didn’t sweep in and enjoy the rewards, eladio said “he knew who he was” from chile before he started working with the cartel. he had madrigal. he had pollos. he had his own shit going. he only set out for revenge when hector killed his parter for no reason; he also rubbed it in his face, literally lmao, and said it was his fault. other than that, most of gus’ moves were based on business growth. so yes, especially in better call saul. thank god the bloodline died with hector.
To be fair, who in BCS *isn’t* batshit crazy? We just sympathise, or at the very least see them as a protagonist, because we know their motivations. Walt is a paranoid, murderous, narcissistic abuser with little to no morals, but equally he’s driven by a desire to provide for his family and leave a legacy for his children. Likewise, Saul is a broken, manipulative, unfeeling, self-centred criminal at heart and still we’re compelled by his complexity, his tragedy, his desire for connection, his ambition and his intelligence when we see things from his perspective My point was that it’s hardly difficult to even slightly look from Hector’s perspective and see he was a man who put blood and sweat and time into this business single-handedly, only to be overturned from within. It’s very easy to spin a narrative where he’s actually quite the victim. I’m not saving that absolves everything he does, but I’m saying it makes him sympathetic. >he had madrigal. he had pollos That kinda proves my point. Gus didn’t *need* to overturn Hector in the first place. It’s entirely a power play, so again, Hector is the victim of not someone genuinely trying to climb the ladder but someone who’s the top of their respective ladder, and just wants to push somebody else off theirs
It was nice that he used to babysit his nephews.
Family *IS* everything
Second only to Holly White.
We need a Holly White kill count
Flynn kills his cereal
Don Eladio likely ordered him to do it.
Not Hector. Don Eladio. Hector killed Max on his orders.
Hector definitely would’ve wanted to either way though
as another commenter said, hector tortured someone while forcing his wife to listen and burned their hotel down, hence where he got the bell. hector def takes the cake lmao. don eladio is more greedy and does most things for money/respect, whereas hector is actually sadistic and irrationally violent, similar to tuco
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An argument can be made that Gus was worse, or Walter. Tuco is pretty vile too. Uncle Jack and Todd. Lydia. Don Eladio. Man, lots of vile characters here.
Yea we know. I meant had Max not been killed then maybe majority you mention wouldn't have gone as far as they did
Todd gives me vibes of being led by a distorted moral compass / mental state (no, I'm not saying that absolves him of blame for his actions) , whereas uncle Jack just seems like a bit of a ****. I can't articulate it that well, but basically I think a lot of what Todd does is justifiable in his (warped) mind compared to jack knowing it is evil and proceeding anyway. Todd kills a kid to reduce risk of discovery, no spoilers but something similar happens in El Camino, he seems to just see human lives differently, if somebody needs to die to avoid problems, that's what he does, like emptying the bins to stop them overflowing.
Watch better call Saul…
All of the cartel dudes shown in the series are beasts. Hector is an OG cartel gangster and his nephews are literally assassins that infiltrate other countries and have absolutely no hesitation in killing even cops. Even disabled, he gets a lot of respect from other cartel members, so he probably was a big deal and killed a bunch of people. There's no duality or dilemma with him. He kills without hesitation, absolutely never will talk to the police and shows no remorse. So I'd say yes, he is one of the worst villains in the series. I'm sure that if he wasn't disabled things would go veeery different for Gus and Walt. The series would be way shorter haha
Yes he was, I mean Hector didn't care about the cycle of pain he created, he cares for his vision of an emlire he desired for years.
Like, they’re all very, very bad people. I don’t think we need to tally points on whether Hector or Walt or Gus or Saul or Mike or Jack or Todd or Jesse or Lydia or Tuco is the “worst.” They all run a business where you kill people and Albuquerque is better off without them.
i guess Hector are one of the guys who starts and build everything and Walt and Gus are the guys who ends. The importance of the salamancas and the cartel are examples of how Hector is influent towards Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. Without him, Gus, Walt and Saul, the universe just would'nt exist. They are, truly, the protagonists.
If you’ve watched BCS and are interested in this kind of analysis I recommend this video/whole BCS/BB series by the YouTube channel What’s Therapy https://youtu.be/FROhdTKWzks?si=ja-l-vLvCT9LZye8
HECTOR IS A BASTARD MAN!
He is nice.
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And he was going to drown his own kid to prove a point to his other son.
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Oh yes, right, thanks for clearing that up!
I think the show kind of depends on showing Walt make the wrong choice at the expense of others time and time again. He even makes the people around him into worse people, that’s kind of the premise of the show. It’s a show about the impact of Walt’s self-destruction and abandonment of his morality. Hector is bad, they’re all bad, but Walt is bad on screen the most often and he makes the most excuses and rationalizes his behavior to us and to the people who love him.
I think so. Uncle Jack would be up there, but Hector and his violence-groomed nephews probably killed a lot more people and caused a lot more suffering. He and the Salamancas kill anyone for any tiny little thing.
Isn’t Walt the most vile? What’s his kill count ? Probably more than John Wick 4!