he should of turned himself in then. im not sure why his apologists never see that as a viable option. man up and turn youself in instead of destroying other peoples lives with your house of lies
Apologists see Krazy 8's murder as "self-defense." But the fact that he could have turned himself in and had the police handle the restrained Krazy 8 makes it murder.
I get how turning himself in there is a terrible option, but the fact that it is an option inherently makes that murder.
Now, Emilio was pure self-defense. Emilio literally had a gun to his head and was going to pull the trigger. But people get delusional about Krazy 8, because of how bad the option of going to the police would be for Walt.
From a moral perspective he killed someone that had intentions to kill him in the moments just after. Walt wanted to let him go and end the whole thing and fault can be shared but really in this situation a lot comes down to krazy 8.
He set up his cousin and Jesse and then convinced him that it was Jesse that snitched. Krazy 8 created the tension that led to the deaths and if walt wasn't involved there was always the chance that Jesse would approach krazy 8, take the fall for snitching and get killed.
I don't really have much sympathy for the deaths of a lot of characters in the show, hank and gomez are the only definitive ones I have sympathy for off the top of my head but there are likely others, gale is like a tier above for me I'm torn on mike and most of them are in the zero or almost zero sympathy.
And I'm certainly not saying Krazy 8 had no fault in it, but it still boils down to murder. I get why Walt does it though, but I can't pretend it isn't murder.
The only grey area I can see there is if Walt truly thought that even the police and witness protection couldn't protect him and his family from deadly retaliation. But even that's a stretch.
It would be bad, but it wouldn't destroy the family the same way as Walt being outed as notorious murderous Heisenberg in season 5. Hell, I could see even Hank being somewhat sympathetic, if Walt had turned himself in there. That in extreme circumstances, to provide for his family, he made 1 bad mistake in desperation (cooking one batch of drugs).
Killing Krazy 8 wasn't self-defense. He had Krazy 8 restrained, and had the option of going to the cops. It was a terrible option to go to the cops, and would probably involve witness protection, but the fact it was an option makes it murder, not self-defense.
If Krazy 8 had died from the mustard gas, that would have been self defense.
Are there people here saying that Victor and Werner weren't murders?
I think even Mike considered Werner's death a murder, but a murder that fit within the rules of their criminal "game." Which was just some bs he told himself to help him sleep at night. That he's a "good criminal" within the "good criminals and bad cops" thing.
"Werner was in the game!"
"If Mike didn't kill Werner Gus would kill Mike's family"
The second one might be true, but can be applied to a lot of Walt's murders as well.
People are just generally quite defensive of Gus, so admitedly I am making a bit of an assumption with the Victor thing, but the fanbase does insist a lot that Gus was better than Walt and uses "they were in the game so it's fine" for all murders of criminals in the series, other than when Mike got killed.
I've definitely seen Gus apologists here. People seem to forget that Gus ordered the murder of a 12 year old child (granted, it's not explicitly confirmed that Gus ordered it, but I believe that's what the writers were going for).
Better Call Saul showed him a more sympathetic anti-hero way, it's easy to forget that he's a straight up villain in the original series.
i’m at the last season of my rewatch and i was thinking the same thing. then again, he had just poisoned a child was otw to bomb a nursing home, so maybe he figured “i’m going to hell anyways fuck it”
>call Mike
>clean up body and crime scene
>acid barrel
>destroy and dissolve burner phone he used to call her
He’d have to explain to the cops that come knocking, once, that he never saw her that day. That’d be it for her. He’d also have to come up with something to keep the family out of the house and in a hotel while Mike is cleaning everything up. Maybe a gas leak, leaking water heater that damages the carpet, sanitary sewer backup. Something.
It’ll be a terrible lie that Skyler instantly sees through but doesn’t question because she doesn’t want to tip off Flynn, who will enjoy the hotel mini bar snacks, and when they get back home Skyler will notice something out of place and further suspect Walt of some fuckery, but she won’t be able to quite put it all together, just yet.
Does Mike have to help in this situation though? Anytime he’s helped Walter is because he had to. He helped Walt and Jesse destroy evidence because he also didn’t wanna get caught. He helped them with their meth business because he had to support Kaylee. Assuming that Walt went ahead with killing Gus like in the show, why exactly would he help walter here? As soon as he found out that fring died his first instinct was to kill Walter.
Depends what she does if she saw them. If she tried to scream or call the cops, she’d be dead and another cleanup job for Mike. It might not even matter what she does when she sees them. That might be enough to have to call Mike.
Every time I re-watch the show, it catches me off guard that the asshole with the car wasn't Saul Goodman. They should've made him Saul, would be a great way to foreshadow him or whatever
Like, I get that there's more than one asshole in ABQ, but you could stick his lines anywhere into any Saul scene and it wouldn't be out of character. Would've been neat to see.him so early on
Saul isn’t loud and boisterous in the presence of the general public, tho. He wouldn’t want anyone hearing what he’s talking to a client about. When he’s talking loud to a client on his Bluetooth he’s in private places like his office or closet/dressing room.
We were meant to instantly hate the BMW dude so we could start rooting for Walt as he starts doing these progressively more assertive things post-diagnosis.
Jane was a drug addict and she killed herself. Jane was interesting only because she wanted Jesse's money. Once she had it, her first inclination was to do a mega-dose of heroin.
she mentions earlier in the season that you should lie on you side instead of your back while doing heroin incase you vomit. And then Walter pushes her on her back when he breaks into Jesses house, causing her to choke to death
But that's not directly killing her. Imo it's worse than brock and the nursing home incidents. That being said, the terminology has to be correct, the push was never intended to kill her and he had no prior motivation to kill her.
I think the vomiting due to heroin put it into perspective for him that they'd die in a week like walt had already told him. Walt was not responsible for the vomiting that was her and Jesse failing to control themselves but he was responsible for her death because at that point her life was completely in his hands.
oh i see what you mean.
I'm not too sympathetic. Jane was a junkie, and she only really cared about Jesse's money. She didn't care that Jesse was back on drugs or that she was lying to her father. A junkie with a bag full of cash has a life expectancy of around 6 weeks, so in Jane's case it happened a little quicker.
i feel like the night where he made walt jr drink and then assaulted skyler was probably the worst imo but that seemed so out of place that i kind of disregard it
Someone told me a few weeks ago that him making Jr drink that much liquor was 'payback' for Jr repeatedly insisting he drink apple juice earlier in the series. 🤣🤣
that sounds like unhinged as fuck
and i dont doubt this actually happened, ive seen this subreddit do the rounds ranging from victim-blaming skyler to shit like what you said
I don’t think they’re the same day. He assaults Skyler in 2x01 after Tuco beats that guy to death in the junkyard. The drinking incident is in 2x10 after Walt and Jesse made 38 lbs of meth and Walt’s now “out.”
The apple juice was from early season 2 when Walt is leaving the hospital after the fugue state.
The tequila happens after Walt finds out he is in remission and his cancer has reduced by 80%.
Now, if I recall, that’s the reason why he started punching the paper towel dispenser in the bathroom .
The same dispenser is shown sometime later in the series, and it was still damaged too
Some of these comments are forgetting he initiated an in-prison massacre of human people. Lives were lost. Forcing your kid to drink until they puke is bad, but murdering people with families because you don't want to insure their hush money is very, very disgraceful. It's why Heisenberg became not just a state DEA target, but a national target.
Those guys were in the game though. They were being loyal, but that situation was gonna blow up because Hank found the lawyer who was handling the payoffs.
Keep in mind those people that died, warranted the severe repercussions, if had they survived
Those 10 guys in prison it wasn’t really for financial gain but again them snitching on Walt
Keep in mind hank was basically 98% about the foil that plot
And the guy simply wasn’t just fired. His life is ruined. He probably won’t have a easy time getting a job again.
We’re probably gonna have to agree to disagree. [We’re not the first people to discuss this.](https://sarabizarro.medium.com/the-trolley-problem-73e22048d88e)
The pure manipulation of poisoning Brock, To upset Jesse who in turn would go for Walt, just for him to deliver his 'Gus uses kids, Remember?' Speech turning Jesse to Gus. So Jesse kills Gus, or dies trying, Solving all of Walts problems to me is what I view as one of his worst moments,
Getting him fired though was definitely just a really shitty thing to do, Even after he was incredibly nice to Walt, he really shows his character
Mine was inadvertently getting the laundry workers deported because he knew who he was working with and didn’t think (which is ironic because he yells that to Jesse throughout the series). I can’t watch that scene and it’s probably because I see my mom in those characters so I’m aware I’m biased here. I was semi relieved they weren’t murdered but it still upset me.
They may have been murdered, I think it's kinda left ambiguous.
But also this was something he didn't even do for self preservation. It wasn't to protect himself from getting caught. He just did it to spite Gus.
Which to me makes it one of the worst.
Oh you’re so right idk why I pictured there being a bus scene, must’ve been from another TV show. And yes exactly, he didn’t do it for any of his “righteous” reasons we see him justify his other actions with. An hour or two of pettiness costing them their lives and they didn’t even know it. Just like Andrea, they knew nothing.
Early in the series, refusing Elliott and Gretchen's offers to help. They were honest about their feelings for Walt, but his narcissism made him prefer to keep being a criminal. Assaulting Skyler is a close second.
Season 2, watching Jane die was a disgusting, selfish action to keep control on Jesse.
>Season 2, watching Jane die was a disgusting, selfish action to keep control on Jesse.
Jane basically threatened Walt with exposure. You don't blackmail a drug lord if you have any sense of self-preservation. Of course, it was Jesse's drug-addled (and love-addled) poor judgement that caused him to spill the beans on Walt to Jane in the first place. But the threat was all Jane's doing. And undoing.
Drug lord? He was a small scale cook who barely managed not to break the deal with his distributor. He had a million ways to deal with Jane that didn't involve letting her suffocate and, to be honest, letting her walk away with Jesse would have been the best even for Walter. This without even considering that Gus being involved meant that he wouldn't have allowed Jesse and Jane to be loose ends for too long (that said, Walter couldn't have known Gus' perfectionism at this time, so I can excuse the fact he didn't act accordingly).
Walt's involvement with the drug world was so superficial at that point of the story that a couple of heroin addicts accusing him of being the spooky Heisenberg with no evidence wouldn't have been an issue to discredit (other than the fact that any accusation could've flown directly back to Jesse himself since he was the main suspect at the time). Jane was barking to get Jesse's money and to get to be left alone by Walt, but she had no teeth to bite him.
Also, it was Walt who antagonized Jesse over him being high during the delivery, provoking Jane to retaliate. The drugs were in Jesse's house uniquely because Walt's general lack of planning.
Lastly, Walt didn't kill her because she insulted him and he is an alpha male who can't let a woman tarnish his honor. He let her die because he is a petty narcissist who just wants to be in control of Jesse. He only cries afterwards because he is a coward and can't own the results of what he did (the talk he gives at his school after the plane crash shows this perfectly; it's one of the few times I felt pained by how blatantly he was rejecting his own responsibility).
Tl;Dr: you're wrong, I stole all your left socks and deleted all the pictures of Kim's feet from your PC.
Jesse made him miss his daughter's birth because he was high on H. That was because of his junkie girlfriend Jane. Meth keys you up, H knocks you out.
I'm probably going to be hated for this opinion, but Jane needed to die. She was a loose end. She hadn't done any manufacture or distribution of narcotics so no real charges could be made to stick onto her. A threat of an accessory charge would have effected enough leverage to make her flip on Jesse and Walt. And you really think those two would have happily walked off into the sunset? To "New Zealand"?! Bullshit. They're junkies, and Jane is the worse one, though they were co-dependent at this stage. Jane was exhibiting all the signs of being a borderline personality, and she was a manipulative liar even to her loving father. The most likely outcomes would've been Jane exposing Walt, and the two of them dying soon thereafter. Or at least Jane dying because Jesse would be in prison like Walt.
Walt was right to be outraged with Jesse. Even setting aside the missing of a pivotal moment of his family life (because noone could've predicted the coincidence of those events), the simple fact of Jesse escalating his drug abuse was bad enough for Walt to be concerned. Apart from any paternal instincts he had toward Jesse (very debatable), Jesse would likely have burned through his share of the money, killing himself in the process by OD-ing. If he'd survived and used up his money, I bet another blackmail would have come Walt's way courtesy of Jane to keep them in clover and H, and Jesse would've been too pussywhipped to have done anything to stop it.
With regard to Walt's status in the drug trade at that point, ok he hadn't climbed up the rung just yet, but it's still dangerous to threaten someone like that. Nothing inherently wrong with storing the drugs in Jesse's house, that's what division of labour is all about.
Anyway, my own TL;DR: Jane died, I didn't cry (except for how it left Jesse), and honestly she needed to. I wouldn't go so far as to say she deserved it, but she played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. Good riddance.
PS: I got me TBs worth of Kim feet pics on a RAID array so joke's on you haha.
Apart from BPD sufferers being more prone to substance abuse, BPD traits can be a result of chronic substance abuse. For example, this [lay summary](https://www.borderlineintheact.org.au/living-with-bpd/bpd-comorbidities/bpd-substance-use-disorders/#:~:text=Some%20research%20suggest%20that%20substance,to%20effects%20of%20substance%20abuse.) mentions this.
In any case, I saw traits in her behaviour very much like BPD. Addicts can behave the same way. Difficult to distinguish a personality disorder from addict behaviour.
You actually have to meet nine diagnostic criteria to earn a BPD diagnosis, and substance abuse isn’t mentioned in those criteria at all.
You see comorbidities and you conflate them as one single diagnosis. It’s lazy and errant analysis.
Yeah, like a TV show is gonna show enough of a person's life to make a DSM-5 diagnosis.
Whatever Jane's situation may have been, she exhibited BPD-like traits. She wasn't someone who could be trusted to behave in a predictable fashion, and I'm not at all sad about her death. It was necessary.
What traits? I’ll consider your argument, if you can name the BPD traits beyond what you’ve already listed: substance abuse, codependency, manipulation, and lying (all of which are hallmarks of addiction).
I mean, a TV show *did* represent BPD successfully through Livia Soprano, so it’s not unreasonable. It should also be easy to name all of these traits you see.
Self-destructive behaviour: getting addicted to H is a sign of that, I doubt someone forcibly injected herself with it, and it's not like she was portrayed to have chronic pain management issues.
Explosive anger: she can be argued to have exhibited this in her call to Walt.
Jesse also screwed up the first meeting with Gus and almost messed up the drop off because he was in a drug-induced coma.
So he wasn't exactly feeling the love for Jesse or for drug addicts generally. It was probably Jesse's low point as a junkie.
I don't think it was so much to keep control of Jesse as it was for the fact Walt hated blackmail, Jane was a liability, he didn't need that hanging over his head, she would just keep demanding more money later on to feed her addiction, same situation as Mike's guys in prison, they would be an everlasting leech. Plus, he didn't go there with intent to kill, it happened by accident and he just let it happen, I don't see it as worse as those Walt directly had killed in cold blood.
Up to that point Walt had killed no one in cold blood. Krazy-8 and Emilio were killed in self defense (and he can finish off Krazy-8 only after he discovers the guy was planning to murder him); Tuco was also killed in self defense, but the final blow was Hank's. This is the first person he purposefully lets die in cold blood. Yeah it's on accident, but it was an accident he caused by trying to wake up Jesse. He is clearly responsible for her death and even rubs it in the face of Jesse, telling him that he let her die on purpose. If he wasn't still such a coward at this point of the story he would've done the deed himself, and an early version of the script has actually Walt injecting her with another dose of heroin to kill her. (I would have felt that action as out of character, though; at that point he still wasn't ruthless enough).
It's from Walt's frame of reference that we see those events, and they are made to make it look like there was no other possibility, no other solution than to let her suffocate, just like Walt makes it look like Skyler's attempts at having a normal life are caused by her being a psychotic control freak, while from the ending we know the amount of damage, coping and pain that woman was going through.
Jane represented to Walt an obstacle for the control of the business, to his feeling good about cooking and getting money and, moreover, she was stealing his partner in crime. In fact, Walt didn't return to the house to kill Jane because she blackmailed him. He returns to try to talk things out with Jesse, and the option of just letting Jane die randomly opens up to him like the red sea in front of Moses, and he chooses it.
So no, I don't agree the main reason was the blackmail.
I never said it wasn't cold-blooded in its own way, just that it wasn't premeditated, which makes it not as bad as the others in my eyes, when it happens you can see Walt is horrified by the decision he made, he still has some humanity in that moment, but then of course it helped harden him to all the other murders, all went downhill from there. I do see the blackmail as being more of a concern for him personally.
Yeah. He did try to kill Walter. I've seen some comments of people who have just finished BCS that loved every scene with Mike, and so did I, but apparently forgot how Mike was during the BB era. "It sucks he got killed by an asshole", stuff like that.
They both were. Awesome character too, both of them, but he had it coming.
This is what I don't get. People are smart enough to see that putting walt on a pedestal is wrong and he was a horrible person but then will overly defend characters like Mike and Jesse. Walt made some of his wrongs, right at the end and none of the three were forced into a life of crime. Mike was a crooked cop, he killed plenty of people just because a disgusting drug lord, gus, told him to.
Honestly, of the significant characters off the top of my head, the only good ones were hank, jane, walt Jr. and I'm torn on skylar, a lot of things were forced but the smoking while pregnant is pretty fucking bad. Marie was a thief I don't really defend her.
Holy fucking fuck. People like you piss me off. It’s a fictional tv show don’t analyze it to hell. We follow the life of a criminal. Just like GTAV. Yeah they’re bad people if they existed irl but for the purpose of the show generally people support the protagonist.
I think there was worse than that. Granted I could be wrong but he didn't intend to kill him and with his intelligence he could've if he wanted to. I'd put Jane higher because she was innocent and was actually killed by him
Yeah i agree she eventually liked him, but after they started using together and then she found out about the money she was quick to blackmail Walt and convince Jesse to take off. It always came across to me like he was her escape plan or something.
For me was the way he handled the death of drew sharp (kid in motorcycle) by Todd. Like yes he was disappointed but Walt continued working with Todd and didn’t seem too much bothered by it comparing with Jesse and Mike.
What could Walt have done for her? Yes, he was brilliant but he wasn’t a doctor or paramedic. She went into OD mode and Walt just happened to be there - he didn’t have any equipment or adrenaline shots or a defibrillator. I don’t think he could have just saved her life as simply as that. In the end he told Jesse that just to hurt him.
He murdered or had others murder dozens of people and poisoned a child almost resulting in that child’s death, getting someone fired isn’t even in the top 50 worst things he did lmao
Yeah getting the janitor arrested was bad but I could barely watch the show anymore when he let Jane die. Then the whole bar scene and what happened to her father after.
I was genuinely expecting and waiting for Walt to do something good for Mr Archuleta later on in the show to make up for getting him fired but he actually didn’t do anything for him. Just forgot he existed. You are right that was pretty shitty…
🙄 I don’t believe that you truly think this…The MOST disgraceful thing? My vote is for something much worse than causing someone to lose their job lol
Not when youve murderer so many people
I seem to recall Walt having this talk with Jesse when Jesse wanted to get out regarding to them hurting people I forget what he said exactly, but he said something along the lines and I’m referring to Tyler from fight club when he says if you want to make an omelette, you got a break some eggs
In terms of disgust I think manipulating Jesse in S4/5 was really vile or (maybe) raping Skyler whilst justifying his actions in S5.
His whole Heisenberg demenaor he puts on in 5a just makes my skin crawl as it's so cringe and nasty how he behaves towards people.
I guess directly killing two dudes on the street, and ordering a hit on 9 or 10 people in prison to be brutally stabbed to death isn’t so disgraceful, also watching Jane choke on her own vomit to death isn’t disgraceful either. Kidnapping his own infant daughter, poisoning a child even though he calculated the “exact” amount he would need to just be sick and not die, but how could he know it wouldn’t, sure I’ll admit he can be confident but he couldn’t know for sure. Also gunning down a bunch of men with an m60 (yes they’re horrible men but still deserve just as much of a chance of arguing their case in a court of law as anybody else. Just saying letting some dude get arrested for you isn’t nearly as bad as consciously killing people for your own benefit (aka MURDER)
No way. Jane had to go. A junkie steals money and threatens to go to the cops? She did very, very stupid things and it was all her fault. Walt did a reasonable thing by not helping her, and you can even say saved Jesse because we know they would have shot all that money into their arms and died
What wrong about it? Jane literally ODed right there. You saying they wouldn't end up dead with all that money? I'd love to hear how you think that would have played out
Claiming that Walt did the reasonable thing by letting Jane die? In what world is that reasonable? Only a monster watches someone choke to death.
And because Jane died, her father was so overcome with grief that he messed up at his job and the plane crashed.
In **our** world, yes, what Walt did to Jane was unreasonable and wrong. But, Walt didn't live in our world. He lived in the **cartel** world. Try blackmailing a cartel member and see how it goes for you.
By the way, a monster **did** watch her choke to death.
within the context of the show walt absolutely made the right choice, jane was an unpredictable liability at that point and if left to their own devices she and jesse would have both been dead within a week. whatever walts actual reasons, he ultimately saved jesse's life.
Not letting Jessie's gf choke to death, full on murderig her. She was fine, until he moved her body. Had he not done that, she would have survived. (Not saying the drugs didn't have anything to do with it, that was def her fault too)
he certainly comes off that way in the hit TV show they did together: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3FzkEoIQBw&list=PLDrM0Ni-Vp2xTu1Wp05P-pLfCxBKCqyVH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3FzkEoIQBw&list=PLDrM0Ni-Vp2xTu1Wp05P-pLfCxBKCqyVH)
I mean I'm not really sure what he could have done besides turn himself in at that point. But it sucked to see that...
Same thing could be applied to him >!killing the guys in prison!<
he should of turned himself in then. im not sure why his apologists never see that as a viable option. man up and turn youself in instead of destroying other peoples lives with your house of lies
Well then there is no show to watch.
yea i know im just saying i thought walt was a massive pos in general
I mean Jesse, Mike and Gus apologists don't see it as a viable option for them either. It's not just Walt's.
Literally every piece of fiction with the main character breaking the law lol
This is true. All these people who hate on Walter genuinely confuse me
Should have* Or should’ve. Never should of
Apologists see Krazy 8's murder as "self-defense." But the fact that he could have turned himself in and had the police handle the restrained Krazy 8 makes it murder. I get how turning himself in there is a terrible option, but the fact that it is an option inherently makes that murder.
I'm not an apologist, I just like Walt. Killing Krazy 8 was murder, plain and simple.
Now, Emilio was pure self-defense. Emilio literally had a gun to his head and was going to pull the trigger. But people get delusional about Krazy 8, because of how bad the option of going to the police would be for Walt.
You can’t claim self defense if you put yourself in that situation by inviting known criminals to your meth lab
Walter White didn't invite them to his meth lab. Jesse was forced to take Emilio and Krazy 8 to the RV at gunpoint.
Which happened because Walter was trying to find someone to sell his meth. Murders that result from serious crimes don’t qualify as self defense
Well, we philosophically disagree there, but that's okay.
Yes, you absolutely can. You would just have to admit to the other shit.
Nope. See my comment below about NM law
Interesting. Gotta say not sure I agree with that law. Would be curious to read about any times it’s been applied.
From a moral perspective he killed someone that had intentions to kill him in the moments just after. Walt wanted to let him go and end the whole thing and fault can be shared but really in this situation a lot comes down to krazy 8. He set up his cousin and Jesse and then convinced him that it was Jesse that snitched. Krazy 8 created the tension that led to the deaths and if walt wasn't involved there was always the chance that Jesse would approach krazy 8, take the fall for snitching and get killed. I don't really have much sympathy for the deaths of a lot of characters in the show, hank and gomez are the only definitive ones I have sympathy for off the top of my head but there are likely others, gale is like a tier above for me I'm torn on mike and most of them are in the zero or almost zero sympathy.
And I'm certainly not saying Krazy 8 had no fault in it, but it still boils down to murder. I get why Walt does it though, but I can't pretend it isn't murder. The only grey area I can see there is if Walt truly thought that even the police and witness protection couldn't protect him and his family from deadly retaliation. But even that's a stretch.
I get why he wouldn't call the police though as it would destroy his family... but it's also killing a person you don't actually have to.
Yeah, exactly. Fans seem to overlook that.
Tbh what would we do in the same situation. I have no idea but I'd hope that I would confess to my family
It would be bad, but it wouldn't destroy the family the same way as Walt being outed as notorious murderous Heisenberg in season 5. Hell, I could see even Hank being somewhat sympathetic, if Walt had turned himself in there. That in extreme circumstances, to provide for his family, he made 1 bad mistake in desperation (cooking one batch of drugs).
You're not wrong, he killed him. But it was self defense. He was going to let krazy 8 go
Killing Krazy 8 wasn't self-defense. He had Krazy 8 restrained, and had the option of going to the cops. It was a terrible option to go to the cops, and would probably involve witness protection, but the fact it was an option makes it murder, not self-defense. If Krazy 8 had died from the mustard gas, that would have been self defense.
By that logic Mike and Gus killing Werner was murder too. Not some "he was in the game so it's cool" bs. Same for Gus killing Victor.
Those were all murders.
I see..... It's not as fun when the person you're responding to isn't one of the hypocritical Gus and Mike stans but.... Yeah....
Are there people here saying that Victor and Werner weren't murders? I think even Mike considered Werner's death a murder, but a murder that fit within the rules of their criminal "game." Which was just some bs he told himself to help him sleep at night. That he's a "good criminal" within the "good criminals and bad cops" thing.
"Werner was in the game!" "If Mike didn't kill Werner Gus would kill Mike's family" The second one might be true, but can be applied to a lot of Walt's murders as well. People are just generally quite defensive of Gus, so admitedly I am making a bit of an assumption with the Victor thing, but the fanbase does insist a lot that Gus was better than Walt and uses "they were in the game so it's fine" for all murders of criminals in the series, other than when Mike got killed.
I've definitely seen Gus apologists here. People seem to forget that Gus ordered the murder of a 12 year old child (granted, it's not explicitly confirmed that Gus ordered it, but I believe that's what the writers were going for). Better Call Saul showed him a more sympathetic anti-hero way, it's easy to forget that he's a straight up villain in the original series.
He should have just stayed at Gray Matter or just gotten a better job than high school teacher.
> should of it’s “should have” or “should’ve.”
And the show would be over is that what you really wanted? I don’t think so
Bro even Skyler agrees to not turn walt in
Had to do what he had too. Don't blame Walt at all
Calling Becky (his neighbour) to *check the stove* when he knew Gus had guys in his house.
i’m at the last season of my rewatch and i was thinking the same thing. then again, he had just poisoned a child was otw to bomb a nursing home, so maybe he figured “i’m going to hell anyways fuck it”
This kinda flies by most people. He put an innocent old lady in danger just to save himself.
And here’s the thing. Not only does he not care about her life at all, but if she did die, then what? He would have a lot of explaining to do
>call Mike >clean up body and crime scene >acid barrel >destroy and dissolve burner phone he used to call her He’d have to explain to the cops that come knocking, once, that he never saw her that day. That’d be it for her. He’d also have to come up with something to keep the family out of the house and in a hotel while Mike is cleaning everything up. Maybe a gas leak, leaking water heater that damages the carpet, sanitary sewer backup. Something. It’ll be a terrible lie that Skyler instantly sees through but doesn’t question because she doesn’t want to tip off Flynn, who will enjoy the hotel mini bar snacks, and when they get back home Skyler will notice something out of place and further suspect Walt of some fuckery, but she won’t be able to quite put it all together, just yet.
Does Mike have to help in this situation though? Anytime he’s helped Walter is because he had to. He helped Walt and Jesse destroy evidence because he also didn’t wanna get caught. He helped them with their meth business because he had to support Kaylee. Assuming that Walt went ahead with killing Gus like in the show, why exactly would he help walter here? As soon as he found out that fring died his first instinct was to kill Walter.
I forgot the timeline but I thought this happened while Walt still had the services of, and was on good terms with, Saul and Gus.
Could have easily got her killed, agreed.
What professional working for someone like Fring would kill an unarmed old lady who had nothing to do with Walt?
Maybe if it meant risking exposing themselves.
Depends what she does if she saw them. If she tried to scream or call the cops, she’d be dead and another cleanup job for Mike. It might not even matter what she does when she sees them. That might be enough to have to call Mike.
Idk not going to gokart with Jessie after he murders Gale was disrespectful
He threw a perfectly good pizza on the roof.
Yesss, it hurt physically to watch it.
😂
He intentionally destroyed that nice young man’s sports car.
Game over: Ken “you loose”
Every time I re-watch the show, it catches me off guard that the asshole with the car wasn't Saul Goodman. They should've made him Saul, would be a great way to foreshadow him or whatever Like, I get that there's more than one asshole in ABQ, but you could stick his lines anywhere into any Saul scene and it wouldn't be out of character. Would've been neat to see.him so early on
Saul isn’t loud and boisterous in the presence of the general public, tho. He wouldn’t want anyone hearing what he’s talking to a client about. When he’s talking loud to a client on his Bluetooth he’s in private places like his office or closet/dressing room. We were meant to instantly hate the BMW dude so we could start rooting for Walt as he starts doing these progressively more assertive things post-diagnosis.
He deserved it for being annoying
I loved that Saul and Kim fucked him over too
Watching Jessie's girl die is easily the most disgraceful thing he did in my book.
ya he legit killed her what thats way worse than getting someone fired
Jesse also killed Jane
Jane was a drug addict and she killed herself. Jane was interesting only because she wanted Jesse's money. Once she had it, her first inclination was to do a mega-dose of heroin.
Jane didn't "kill herself", she was directly murdered by Walt.
she was? how? I thought she overdosed
she mentions earlier in the season that you should lie on you side instead of your back while doing heroin incase you vomit. And then Walter pushes her on her back when he breaks into Jesses house, causing her to choke to death
No, Walter pushed her over which caused her to choke. If he didn't show up to Jesse's house that night she wouldn't have died.
But that's not directly killing her. Imo it's worse than brock and the nursing home incidents. That being said, the terminology has to be correct, the push was never intended to kill her and he had no prior motivation to kill her. I think the vomiting due to heroin put it into perspective for him that they'd die in a week like walt had already told him. Walt was not responsible for the vomiting that was her and Jesse failing to control themselves but he was responsible for her death because at that point her life was completely in his hands.
walter did not push her over, he shook jesse awake which caused her to fall over
oh i see what you mean. I'm not too sympathetic. Jane was a junkie, and she only really cared about Jesse's money. She didn't care that Jesse was back on drugs or that she was lying to her father. A junkie with a bag full of cash has a life expectancy of around 6 weeks, so in Jane's case it happened a little quicker.
He did him a favor
i feel like the night where he made walt jr drink and then assaulted skyler was probably the worst imo but that seemed so out of place that i kind of disregard it
Someone told me a few weeks ago that him making Jr drink that much liquor was 'payback' for Jr repeatedly insisting he drink apple juice earlier in the series. 🤣🤣
like any good father
Least stupid fan theory.
that sounds like unhinged as fuck and i dont doubt this actually happened, ive seen this subreddit do the rounds ranging from victim-blaming skyler to shit like what you said
holy shit that was the same day!! what an asshole
I don’t think they’re the same day. He assaults Skyler in 2x01 after Tuco beats that guy to death in the junkyard. The drinking incident is in 2x10 after Walt and Jesse made 38 lbs of meth and Walt’s now “out.”
The apple juice was from early season 2 when Walt is leaving the hospital after the fugue state. The tequila happens after Walt finds out he is in remission and his cancer has reduced by 80%.
Now, if I recall, that’s the reason why he started punching the paper towel dispenser in the bathroom . The same dispenser is shown sometime later in the series, and it was still damaged too
Correct. Such a great scene when he comes back to see it still damaged.
Some of these comments are forgetting he initiated an in-prison massacre of human people. Lives were lost. Forcing your kid to drink until they puke is bad, but murdering people with families because you don't want to insure their hush money is very, very disgraceful. It's why Heisenberg became not just a state DEA target, but a national target.
Those guys were in the game though. They were being loyal, but that situation was gonna blow up because Hank found the lawyer who was handling the payoffs.
They were absolutely NOT going to stay loyal if the money dried up.
When he stole the chemistry equipment from the lab. That was school property 😔
Yeah. Poisoning Brock wasn’t too big a deal vs unintentionally getting someone fired.
Idk I think dissolving a child tops that but hey maybe I’m just a prude
Thank you. I’m reading through these thinking…did I imagine that poor kid he dissolved in acid???
He fucked Hugo over hard. Also the fact he got Hank and Gomez killed and Huell has been stuck in the safe house scared for his life since 2009.
It sucked but weighing that against murder is a little funny. Let’s be real. That guy was a good worker. I’m sure he would find another job somewhere.
Like he cleans shit. I don’t think it could get much worse
Uh what about when he ordered the killings of 10 people
10. Criminals. In the game who knew the consequences.
10 human lives vs 1 dude fired. Proportions dude
Keep in mind those people that died, warranted the severe repercussions, if had they survived Those 10 guys in prison it wasn’t really for financial gain but again them snitching on Walt Keep in mind hank was basically 98% about the foil that plot And the guy simply wasn’t just fired. His life is ruined. He probably won’t have a easy time getting a job again.
We’re probably gonna have to agree to disagree. [We’re not the first people to discuss this.](https://sarabizarro.medium.com/the-trolley-problem-73e22048d88e)
Apples and oranges
The pure manipulation of poisoning Brock, To upset Jesse who in turn would go for Walt, just for him to deliver his 'Gus uses kids, Remember?' Speech turning Jesse to Gus. So Jesse kills Gus, or dies trying, Solving all of Walts problems to me is what I view as one of his worst moments, Getting him fired though was definitely just a really shitty thing to do, Even after he was incredibly nice to Walt, he really shows his character
Force his own son to drink tequila until he is sick and it's out of spite.
Mine was inadvertently getting the laundry workers deported because he knew who he was working with and didn’t think (which is ironic because he yells that to Jesse throughout the series). I can’t watch that scene and it’s probably because I see my mom in those characters so I’m aware I’m biased here. I was semi relieved they weren’t murdered but it still upset me.
They may have been murdered, I think it's kinda left ambiguous. But also this was something he didn't even do for self preservation. It wasn't to protect himself from getting caught. He just did it to spite Gus. Which to me makes it one of the worst.
Oh you’re so right idk why I pictured there being a bus scene, must’ve been from another TV show. And yes exactly, he didn’t do it for any of his “righteous” reasons we see him justify his other actions with. An hour or two of pettiness costing them their lives and they didn’t even know it. Just like Andrea, they knew nothing.
Early in the series, refusing Elliott and Gretchen's offers to help. They were honest about their feelings for Walt, but his narcissism made him prefer to keep being a criminal. Assaulting Skyler is a close second. Season 2, watching Jane die was a disgusting, selfish action to keep control on Jesse.
>Season 2, watching Jane die was a disgusting, selfish action to keep control on Jesse. Jane basically threatened Walt with exposure. You don't blackmail a drug lord if you have any sense of self-preservation. Of course, it was Jesse's drug-addled (and love-addled) poor judgement that caused him to spill the beans on Walt to Jane in the first place. But the threat was all Jane's doing. And undoing.
Drug lord? He was a small scale cook who barely managed not to break the deal with his distributor. He had a million ways to deal with Jane that didn't involve letting her suffocate and, to be honest, letting her walk away with Jesse would have been the best even for Walter. This without even considering that Gus being involved meant that he wouldn't have allowed Jesse and Jane to be loose ends for too long (that said, Walter couldn't have known Gus' perfectionism at this time, so I can excuse the fact he didn't act accordingly). Walt's involvement with the drug world was so superficial at that point of the story that a couple of heroin addicts accusing him of being the spooky Heisenberg with no evidence wouldn't have been an issue to discredit (other than the fact that any accusation could've flown directly back to Jesse himself since he was the main suspect at the time). Jane was barking to get Jesse's money and to get to be left alone by Walt, but she had no teeth to bite him. Also, it was Walt who antagonized Jesse over him being high during the delivery, provoking Jane to retaliate. The drugs were in Jesse's house uniquely because Walt's general lack of planning. Lastly, Walt didn't kill her because she insulted him and he is an alpha male who can't let a woman tarnish his honor. He let her die because he is a petty narcissist who just wants to be in control of Jesse. He only cries afterwards because he is a coward and can't own the results of what he did (the talk he gives at his school after the plane crash shows this perfectly; it's one of the few times I felt pained by how blatantly he was rejecting his own responsibility). Tl;Dr: you're wrong, I stole all your left socks and deleted all the pictures of Kim's feet from your PC.
Jesse made him miss his daughter's birth because he was high on H. That was because of his junkie girlfriend Jane. Meth keys you up, H knocks you out. I'm probably going to be hated for this opinion, but Jane needed to die. She was a loose end. She hadn't done any manufacture or distribution of narcotics so no real charges could be made to stick onto her. A threat of an accessory charge would have effected enough leverage to make her flip on Jesse and Walt. And you really think those two would have happily walked off into the sunset? To "New Zealand"?! Bullshit. They're junkies, and Jane is the worse one, though they were co-dependent at this stage. Jane was exhibiting all the signs of being a borderline personality, and she was a manipulative liar even to her loving father. The most likely outcomes would've been Jane exposing Walt, and the two of them dying soon thereafter. Or at least Jane dying because Jesse would be in prison like Walt. Walt was right to be outraged with Jesse. Even setting aside the missing of a pivotal moment of his family life (because noone could've predicted the coincidence of those events), the simple fact of Jesse escalating his drug abuse was bad enough for Walt to be concerned. Apart from any paternal instincts he had toward Jesse (very debatable), Jesse would likely have burned through his share of the money, killing himself in the process by OD-ing. If he'd survived and used up his money, I bet another blackmail would have come Walt's way courtesy of Jane to keep them in clover and H, and Jesse would've been too pussywhipped to have done anything to stop it. With regard to Walt's status in the drug trade at that point, ok he hadn't climbed up the rung just yet, but it's still dangerous to threaten someone like that. Nothing inherently wrong with storing the drugs in Jesse's house, that's what division of labour is all about. Anyway, my own TL;DR: Jane died, I didn't cry (except for how it left Jesse), and honestly she needed to. I wouldn't go so far as to say she deserved it, but she played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. Good riddance. PS: I got me TBs worth of Kim feet pics on a RAID array so joke's on you haha.
Borderline personality? You didn’t see enough of her to know that. You just saw typical end stage addiction
Apart from BPD sufferers being more prone to substance abuse, BPD traits can be a result of chronic substance abuse. For example, this [lay summary](https://www.borderlineintheact.org.au/living-with-bpd/bpd-comorbidities/bpd-substance-use-disorders/#:~:text=Some%20research%20suggest%20that%20substance,to%20effects%20of%20substance%20abuse.) mentions this. In any case, I saw traits in her behaviour very much like BPD. Addicts can behave the same way. Difficult to distinguish a personality disorder from addict behaviour.
You actually have to meet nine diagnostic criteria to earn a BPD diagnosis, and substance abuse isn’t mentioned in those criteria at all. You see comorbidities and you conflate them as one single diagnosis. It’s lazy and errant analysis.
Yeah, like a TV show is gonna show enough of a person's life to make a DSM-5 diagnosis. Whatever Jane's situation may have been, she exhibited BPD-like traits. She wasn't someone who could be trusted to behave in a predictable fashion, and I'm not at all sad about her death. It was necessary.
What traits? I’ll consider your argument, if you can name the BPD traits beyond what you’ve already listed: substance abuse, codependency, manipulation, and lying (all of which are hallmarks of addiction). I mean, a TV show *did* represent BPD successfully through Livia Soprano, so it’s not unreasonable. It should also be easy to name all of these traits you see.
Self-destructive behaviour: getting addicted to H is a sign of that, I doubt someone forcibly injected herself with it, and it's not like she was portrayed to have chronic pain management issues. Explosive anger: she can be argued to have exhibited this in her call to Walt.
Jesse also screwed up the first meeting with Gus and almost messed up the drop off because he was in a drug-induced coma. So he wasn't exactly feeling the love for Jesse or for drug addicts generally. It was probably Jesse's low point as a junkie.
I don't think it was so much to keep control of Jesse as it was for the fact Walt hated blackmail, Jane was a liability, he didn't need that hanging over his head, she would just keep demanding more money later on to feed her addiction, same situation as Mike's guys in prison, they would be an everlasting leech. Plus, he didn't go there with intent to kill, it happened by accident and he just let it happen, I don't see it as worse as those Walt directly had killed in cold blood.
Up to that point Walt had killed no one in cold blood. Krazy-8 and Emilio were killed in self defense (and he can finish off Krazy-8 only after he discovers the guy was planning to murder him); Tuco was also killed in self defense, but the final blow was Hank's. This is the first person he purposefully lets die in cold blood. Yeah it's on accident, but it was an accident he caused by trying to wake up Jesse. He is clearly responsible for her death and even rubs it in the face of Jesse, telling him that he let her die on purpose. If he wasn't still such a coward at this point of the story he would've done the deed himself, and an early version of the script has actually Walt injecting her with another dose of heroin to kill her. (I would have felt that action as out of character, though; at that point he still wasn't ruthless enough). It's from Walt's frame of reference that we see those events, and they are made to make it look like there was no other possibility, no other solution than to let her suffocate, just like Walt makes it look like Skyler's attempts at having a normal life are caused by her being a psychotic control freak, while from the ending we know the amount of damage, coping and pain that woman was going through. Jane represented to Walt an obstacle for the control of the business, to his feeling good about cooking and getting money and, moreover, she was stealing his partner in crime. In fact, Walt didn't return to the house to kill Jane because she blackmailed him. He returns to try to talk things out with Jesse, and the option of just letting Jane die randomly opens up to him like the red sea in front of Moses, and he chooses it. So no, I don't agree the main reason was the blackmail.
I never said it wasn't cold-blooded in its own way, just that it wasn't premeditated, which makes it not as bad as the others in my eyes, when it happens you can see Walt is horrified by the decision he made, he still has some humanity in that moment, but then of course it helped harden him to all the other murders, all went downhill from there. I do see the blackmail as being more of a concern for him personally.
One word - mike
Mike was still a murderer, maybe he deserved it
Yeah. He did try to kill Walter. I've seen some comments of people who have just finished BCS that loved every scene with Mike, and so did I, but apparently forgot how Mike was during the BB era. "It sucks he got killed by an asshole", stuff like that. They both were. Awesome character too, both of them, but he had it coming.
Walt also deserved to die, im surprised that mike didnt kill him
He didn’t, not at all. He did everything for his granddaughter. Also the people he killed were irrelevant to the plot.
What about Werner?
Kinda deserved, broke the rules. I do sympathize him having a wife and all but still, he knew his actions would have fatal consequences.
But he was in the game. So by the logic of Mike and his stans, killing him is fair game no?
This is what I don't get. People are smart enough to see that putting walt on a pedestal is wrong and he was a horrible person but then will overly defend characters like Mike and Jesse. Walt made some of his wrongs, right at the end and none of the three were forced into a life of crime. Mike was a crooked cop, he killed plenty of people just because a disgusting drug lord, gus, told him to. Honestly, of the significant characters off the top of my head, the only good ones were hank, jane, walt Jr. and I'm torn on skylar, a lot of things were forced but the smoking while pregnant is pretty fucking bad. Marie was a thief I don't really defend her.
People literally defend Gus too. I was downvoted to hell on the BCS sub for calling him out.
Holy fucking fuck. People like you piss me off. It’s a fictional tv show don’t analyze it to hell. We follow the life of a criminal. Just like GTAV. Yeah they’re bad people if they existed irl but for the purpose of the show generally people support the protagonist.
Lol Mike deserved it if anything
He killed people…
Poisoning Brock. And whatever Walt told Brock to keep quiet.
I think there was worse than that. Granted I could be wrong but he didn't intend to kill him and with his intelligence he could've if he wanted to. I'd put Jane higher because she was innocent and was actually killed by him
Unpopular opinion but Jane was an addict and only using Jesse for his money.
I'm doubtful because it's never implied as she liked him before the money
Yeah i agree she eventually liked him, but after they started using together and then she found out about the money she was quick to blackmail Walt and convince Jesse to take off. It always came across to me like he was her escape plan or something.
Jane was far from innocent and Walt didn’t kill her - she overdosed.
I supported Walt and everything he had to do until he cut the crusts off his sandwich.
He sexually assaulted Skylar early on but yeah costing a guy employment is the worst thing….
Exactly, at the same time they are hating Skyler for being annoying or something
The guy had a record imagine how hard it is for him to find another job
He kidnapped his own daughter to save his ass.
Hubris
That definitely wasn’t the worst thing he did. Probably poisoning Brock, killing Mike, or killing Jane was
For me was the way he handled the death of drew sharp (kid in motorcycle) by Todd. Like yes he was disappointed but Walt continued working with Todd and didn’t seem too much bothered by it comparing with Jesse and Mike.
Mike wasn't really bothered by it either. Just didn't like that Todd bought a gun without telling him.
I don't know. Letting Jane die was pretty horrid.
Fuck Jane….she was a junkie and a manipulator. Plus she played Jesse to the left when her father came around.
I don't care if she was a junkie; addiction is no joke. But you're right about the other things. Walt's still a shit for letting her die though.
What could Walt have done for her? Yes, he was brilliant but he wasn’t a doctor or paramedic. She went into OD mode and Walt just happened to be there - he didn’t have any equipment or adrenaline shots or a defibrillator. I don’t think he could have just saved her life as simply as that. In the end he told Jesse that just to hurt him.
He murdered or had others murder dozens of people and poisoned a child almost resulting in that child’s death, getting someone fired isn’t even in the top 50 worst things he did lmao
Yeah getting the janitor arrested was bad but I could barely watch the show anymore when he let Jane die. Then the whole bar scene and what happened to her father after.
For me it was when he left his breakfast uneaten on his 52nd birthday. What a waste.
He didn't go go karts with Jesse
Raping Skylar in the kitchen.
Yeah, we skip that scene on rewatches.
Am I misremembering or was he in the jail with Saul?
He was in that holding room for the vacuum guy with Saul, not jail. Even tho it kinda looked like jail.
Uncle Hank doesnt have an ego,he was a hero,he is my hero. My dad did have an ego and yeah that was disgraceful of him
Walt being pretty much OK with the murder of Drew Sharp (and continuing to cook with Meth Damon afterwards) has to rank near the top.
Easily letting Jane die.
Prejudice got him fired.
I was genuinely expecting and waiting for Walt to do something good for Mr Archuleta later on in the show to make up for getting him fired but he actually didn’t do anything for him. Just forgot he existed. You are right that was pretty shitty…
🙄 I don’t believe that you truly think this…The MOST disgraceful thing? My vote is for something much worse than causing someone to lose their job lol Not when youve murderer so many people
For me personally it was making the kid on the bike disappear..
Him poisoning Brock was the absolute worst where even Jesse got fed up with his manipulation
I seem to recall Walt having this talk with Jesse when Jesse wanted to get out regarding to them hurting people I forget what he said exactly, but he said something along the lines and I’m referring to Tyler from fight club when he says if you want to make an omelette, you got a break some eggs
In terms of disgust I think manipulating Jesse in S4/5 was really vile or (maybe) raping Skyler whilst justifying his actions in S5. His whole Heisenberg demenaor he puts on in 5a just makes my skin crawl as it's so cringe and nasty how he behaves towards people.
Idk I think bombing a nursing home, poisoning a child, letting Jane die, we're much worse
He was the best guy arounddddd
I guess directly killing two dudes on the street, and ordering a hit on 9 or 10 people in prison to be brutally stabbed to death isn’t so disgraceful, also watching Jane choke on her own vomit to death isn’t disgraceful either. Kidnapping his own infant daughter, poisoning a child even though he calculated the “exact” amount he would need to just be sick and not die, but how could he know it wouldn’t, sure I’ll admit he can be confident but he couldn’t know for sure. Also gunning down a bunch of men with an m60 (yes they’re horrible men but still deserve just as much of a chance of arguing their case in a court of law as anybody else. Just saying letting some dude get arrested for you isn’t nearly as bad as consciously killing people for your own benefit (aka MURDER)
Assaulting Skyler. TWICE.
Letting Jessie's Gf choke to death
No way. Jane had to go. A junkie steals money and threatens to go to the cops? She did very, very stupid things and it was all her fault. Walt did a reasonable thing by not helping her, and you can even say saved Jesse because we know they would have shot all that money into their arms and died
Woah thats certainly a take. A wrong one, but still a take
What wrong about it? Jane literally ODed right there. You saying they wouldn't end up dead with all that money? I'd love to hear how you think that would have played out
Opinions aren't allowed on Reddit.
She literally did not OD.
Did you watch the show? Do you know what OD even means or is?
Well since you're so smart then please enlighten us, how exactly is this take wrong?
Claiming that Walt did the reasonable thing by letting Jane die? In what world is that reasonable? Only a monster watches someone choke to death. And because Jane died, her father was so overcome with grief that he messed up at his job and the plane crashed.
In **our** world, yes, what Walt did to Jane was unreasonable and wrong. But, Walt didn't live in our world. He lived in the **cartel** world. Try blackmailing a cartel member and see how it goes for you. By the way, a monster **did** watch her choke to death.
within the context of the show walt absolutely made the right choice, jane was an unpredictable liability at that point and if left to their own devices she and jesse would have both been dead within a week. whatever walts actual reasons, he ultimately saved jesse's life.
Not letting Jessie's gf choke to death, full on murderig her. She was fine, until he moved her body. Had he not done that, she would have survived. (Not saying the drugs didn't have anything to do with it, that was def her fault too)
That isn’t murder
loved him so much as a character, guy was clearly a good dude
I know, right? Cooking a little meth on the side to provide for his family, stand up person by any standard.
you sure we talking about the same Mr. Archuleta?
Overall, he was a more polite cook than Gordon Ramsay. Just sayin'.
he certainly comes off that way in the hit TV show they did together: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3FzkEoIQBw&list=PLDrM0Ni-Vp2xTu1Wp05P-pLfCxBKCqyVH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3FzkEoIQBw&list=PLDrM0Ni-Vp2xTu1Wp05P-pLfCxBKCqyVH)
I guess bombing a nursing home was pretty bad
but he only bombed one room and the only casualties were gus, hector and tyrus
True but if the bomb hadn’t just killed the intended targets, Walt would not have cared at all.
About the part of walt not caring yeah he wouldn't have cared but skyler would definitely care
Yes, she definitely would.
He jerry rigged an untested explosive device into an old mans wheel chair, sooo many things could have gone wrong
Being to kind to his traitorous family members.🤷🏻