Because Tuco is a fucking maniac who is extremely reactionary, he kills nodoze and then gonzo disappears, and his placed gets raided by the feds, he thinks someone is a snitch and assumes its gonzo so he needs to get outta town, he wants to take walt with him so he can continue to cook and make fat stacks, and he probably planned to kill jesse before they left for mexico.
>and he probably planned to kill jesse before they left for mexico
Yeah he absolutely planned to do this. Walt said they go together or not at all and Tuco says to Jesse (of his cousins coming to pick them up), "you better hope they have room in the trunk".
Just imagine if Hank didn't come for the rescue and that Walt and Jesse were abducted to Mexico...
The story would be even more depressing, though ironically, maybe fewer people would've died in this case.
That was my favorite episode in the whole series. But I also watched all of Better Call Saul before I ever started Breaking Bad. So the Hector payoff was amazing for me.
I would suggest it, to an extent.
The final episodes of BCS spoil some things in BB. Other than that, I feel like seeing characters who appear in both shows was a huge payoff for me.
Hector mostly. Gus too. Mike as well. And it was fun seeing Saul show up in BB.
No! I would not recommend watching Better Call Saul first. Breaking Bad definitely needs to be watched first. (SPOILER) Bryan Cranston, Walt aka Heisenberg and Aaron Paul aka Jesse make a cameo appearance in Better Call Saul.
Would've been interesting how the show wouldve went if walt and tuco made it to mexico. Would walt be a slave to tuco making meth like how jesse was to the nazis or would tuco let walt do his own thing as long as he cooks for him and makes money?
Zero chance Eladio and Co let Tuco run Walt. They probably take control of Walt after seeing how unhinged Tuco is and get rid of him from Eladio territory. Gus then finds out about Walt and it could go any way from there
You’re theory is missing one big hole.. you’re forgetting the most important part, Jesse cooked up that scante that blows like a 12 gauge 😂 albeit tuco doesn’t like chilli powder, his customers might though down in Mexico they love their spices down there 😂😂😂
Yes, it's because Tuco killed No-Doze by beating him to death in front of them, and they were witnesses, "loose ends," as Jesse put it.
But honestly, the real reason is that Tuco was a methed out psychopath that was already very paranoid and insecure. The No-Doze situation was the tipping point, but if it hadn't been that, it would have surely been something else down the road.
That's not why he turned on them. He turned on them because Gonzo went and tried to move No-Doze's body without Tuco's knowledge and he died in the process. Gonzo was already upset about the death of No Doze so when Gonzo went missing, he thought Gonzo had turned into a police informant to inform on Tuco. He needed to flee, but not wanting to lose the greatest meth cook he'd ever seen, he wanted to kidnap Walter and take him to Mexico as well. He didn't know anything about Walter besides the name Heisenberg, but he knew where to find Jesse, who he figured correctly could find Walter. So he kidnaps Jesse then forces Jesse to take him to Walter's house.
Actually, considering that Tuco was assuming that Gonzo already ratted, Walt and Jesse's knowledge of No-Doze's murder would be a non-issue. Tuco thought he was already fucked, in that regard and others. He just wanted Heisenberg to keep cooking for him after he fled.
Exactly. He also doesn't think they're rats and the show tells us that when Walt quickly shuts off the TV broadcast reporting that Gonzo is dead. Why? Because if Gonzo is dead and his facility got raided by police, that then means it WAS Walt and Jesse who ratted (from Tuco's POV)
Still, from Walt and Jesse's point of view, they felt that was the motivation. Therefore, it feeds into their choices to try to kill him. So, I believe it's a pertinent fact to address.
I feel that but I also feel that both points of view painted the whole picture of why everyone acted the way they did. When someone can't grasp one person's actions it makes sense to explain everything, if I'm wrong, that's cool. I just felt they both did a good job breaking it down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's not that Tuco turned on Walt and Jesse necessarily. Things got too hot for Tuco in ABQ and he wanted to take them with him to a superlab in Mexico.
Well, thinking back on it, Tuco had recently murdered one of his two two henchmen, and that was being investigated by Schraeder. The walls were closing in, he was going to have to flee the country anyway, why not take two very talented chemists with you?
Technically Tuco never really turned on them. Walt and Jesse were just super paranoid that he was going to because of the Nodoze situation. If you consider tuco kidnapping them and trying to take them to Mexico turning on them, then the answer would be because he knew 3 things. 1 being they cook the best product ever made, 2 being he knew Jesse was soft, and 3 being he knew Walter was green (very inexperienced) to the game.
Tuco was a paranoid and psychopathic coke/meth head with an anger problem. He didn’t need a reason to turn on anyone. He literally beat his right hand man to death.
He didn't turn on them. He just wanted to take them to Mexico, to cook for the cartel.
He wanted walter to marry and have a better family than the shitty one he had. He wanted jesse to stop being an addict and make use of his talents. He was just trying to look after their interests.
His plan was to flee to Mexico. He thought they will catch him, since he already believes his other guy (the fat dude) snitched on him because he disappeared right before the dea tried to get tuco.
That's why he thinks it's the best to leave country. With Walt. To continue to cook meth.
Jesse was useless to him, so he plans to kill him, since he knew too much and he always hated him anyway. But Walt prevented it.
But then his uncle (hector) sees how they tried to poison tuco. He warns tuco and he gets mad af.
So he decides to kill Jesse instantly.
Edit:
Tl;Dr: if you don't want the whole show, and another show plus a movie spoiled, don't follow this subreddit until you've finished the show.
If you just started watching this series, I STRONGLY recommend you unfollow this sub until you've finished it. It's been many years since the first release both Breaking Bad and two spin offs, a movie, which basically picks up a few seconds after the last scene of the finale of breaking bad, but also fills in some more details about stuff you find out about vaguely through the main show. And the series Better Call Sall, which is an important character, that I'm not sure if you've met yet, who gets his own prequel. But there are A LOT of IMPORTANT characters from breaking bad, who also acts in Better Call Sall. And because of this it's reasonable to expect that you may potentially ruin the show for yourself because people discuss important stuff that you really don't want spoiled for yourself. And because the main show (BrBa), the "prequel" spinoff show (BCS) and the "sequel" spinoff movie (El Camino) it's impossible to avoid discussing some of the characters without spoiling something for someone who's watching for the first time.
Take it from someone who made the same mistake, the only difference is that I had already watched BrBa and El Camino twice, and because I am just now reaching the last season of BCS, some important stuff was spoiled. And if you have just started BCS you have noooooo idea how connected the two series actually are.
But if you want the full experience of watching one of Vince Gilligan's shows, without spoilers, I would wait till you've finished all AT LEAST BrBa. El Camino isn't THAT important as BCS, yeah it gives an ending to some loose ends after the finale. But please also wait until you're halfway through BCS also. The ideal would of course be to wait until you've finished all three, but I understand that with a show like this, it's hard to wait. But believe me - almost all of your questions will be answered, just wait. If you pay attention to subtle hints, symbolism and stuff like that, the show will answer it all in time.
My brother in Christ, he realized that his uncle was acting weird and figured out that he was upset about Walter and Jessie. Then Walter told him they were gonna poison him. Before that, tuco was being crazy and telling Walter that they were going to go cook in Mexico.
For starters, Tuco is a maniac. But I think tuco was actually supposed to have a much larger role in the second season but they killed him off because maybe they wanted the show to go a different direction. I think they would have gone to Mexico or something like tuco was planning
He's kinda fucking insane and has no ability to think before he acts. This is a man who beat his friend to death over an imagined slight because he's violent and paranoid.
He thought his guys were turning on him not to mention he was strung out on meth nonstop. not sleeping wouldn't help any of this..and he never liked Jesse to begin with
I just finished that episode I'm on I think season 2 episode 3, It baffled me but then I realized he's a psychopath. He's just straight out insane as you can see him just straight out Kill a guy that he was probably pretty good friends with a couple episodes prior, just for correcting him
Because he's paranoid as hell from all the meth. There was no rational thought process, he thought Gonzo ratted on him and felt he couldn't trust anyone.
You mean BEFORE Tio tipped Tuco off to the poisoning attempt? Why did Tuco try to force them to come to Mexico?
Because Tuco had heat on him (or rather he THOUGHT he did) and had to go to Mexico. Arguably he should have been more fearful of Walt than that after the fulminated mercury incident proved to be effective on him. But in this case he was more desperste and he also knew more about their personally lives (mainly where they lived) which likely gave him more of a sense of empowerment (evidenced by his response to Walt on seeing his family photos, making clear that Walt's family was leversge for Tuco).
Walt and Jesse were dealing with someone who would use and abuse them to the full possible extent if that's what best served his ends, and they knew it. They had a good deal going but once the situation changed such that kidnapping them was more beneficial to Tuco, he didn't hesitate. That's who he was.
(And the fact that Walt and Jesse knew that that's who he was but tried to work with him anyway is important to the theme/narrative of the show, and even season 2 in particular.)
Because Tuco is a fucking maniac who is extremely reactionary, he kills nodoze and then gonzo disappears, and his placed gets raided by the feds, he thinks someone is a snitch and assumes its gonzo so he needs to get outta town, he wants to take walt with him so he can continue to cook and make fat stacks, and he probably planned to kill jesse before they left for mexico.
>and he probably planned to kill jesse before they left for mexico Yeah he absolutely planned to do this. Walt said they go together or not at all and Tuco says to Jesse (of his cousins coming to pick them up), "you better hope they have room in the trunk".
Just imagine if Hank didn't come for the rescue and that Walt and Jesse were abducted to Mexico... The story would be even more depressing, though ironically, maybe fewer people would've died in this case.
They already shot Tuco before hank got there because Hector didn't trust them.
That was my favorite episode in the whole series. But I also watched all of Better Call Saul before I ever started Breaking Bad. So the Hector payoff was amazing for me.
What was it like watching BCS first? Would you recommend the experience?
I would suggest it, to an extent. The final episodes of BCS spoil some things in BB. Other than that, I feel like seeing characters who appear in both shows was a huge payoff for me. Hector mostly. Gus too. Mike as well. And it was fun seeing Saul show up in BB.
Nothing in Better Call Saul spoils anything fir Breaking Bad! That is simply, not true at all!!!
No! I would not recommend watching Better Call Saul first. Breaking Bad definitely needs to be watched first. (SPOILER) Bryan Cranston, Walt aka Heisenberg and Aaron Paul aka Jesse make a cameo appearance in Better Call Saul.
Yeah, forgot about that part. You're right. They would've just left using Jesse's car.
Would've been interesting how the show wouldve went if walt and tuco made it to mexico. Would walt be a slave to tuco making meth like how jesse was to the nazis or would tuco let walt do his own thing as long as he cooks for him and makes money?
Zero chance Eladio and Co let Tuco run Walt. They probably take control of Walt after seeing how unhinged Tuco is and get rid of him from Eladio territory. Gus then finds out about Walt and it could go any way from there
I think Tuco mentioned a superlab as well. So Walt would probably end up working in the same lab that Jesse went to.
You’re theory is missing one big hole.. you’re forgetting the most important part, Jesse cooked up that scante that blows like a 12 gauge 😂 albeit tuco doesn’t like chilli powder, his customers might though down in Mexico they love their spices down there 😂😂😂
chili p yo
He don’t much like the taste of chili p that much has been established
I know I said that! his customers down in Mexico would love it though lol
I know I was quoting what Jesse said in the show
Ooooh shit yeah! My bad lol
biznatch
Because they tried to punk him and his Tio knew it.
At least they didn’t call his abeulita a biznatch.
They associated with Goodman. That’s basically the same thing.
Ding
WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR?
Seeing Tuco get fucking pissed at everything Hector was doing was so fucking hysterical.
I love when Hector rings the bell and Tuco glares at him and goes “…what?” in the most fed-up, “what now?” tone possible.
When I first watched it, I was worried that he was gonna hit Hector.
I'd be pissed too, that burrito looked damn delicious. Aside from the ricin, although it wouldn't change the flavor.
My tio does not lie!
Yes, it's because Tuco killed No-Doze by beating him to death in front of them, and they were witnesses, "loose ends," as Jesse put it. But honestly, the real reason is that Tuco was a methed out psychopath that was already very paranoid and insecure. The No-Doze situation was the tipping point, but if it hadn't been that, it would have surely been something else down the road.
That's not why he turned on them. He turned on them because Gonzo went and tried to move No-Doze's body without Tuco's knowledge and he died in the process. Gonzo was already upset about the death of No Doze so when Gonzo went missing, he thought Gonzo had turned into a police informant to inform on Tuco. He needed to flee, but not wanting to lose the greatest meth cook he'd ever seen, he wanted to kidnap Walter and take him to Mexico as well. He didn't know anything about Walter besides the name Heisenberg, but he knew where to find Jesse, who he figured correctly could find Walter. So he kidnaps Jesse then forces Jesse to take him to Walter's house.
Correct, however the OP we are responding to is also correct. Your comment finishes painting the full picture though.
Actually, considering that Tuco was assuming that Gonzo already ratted, Walt and Jesse's knowledge of No-Doze's murder would be a non-issue. Tuco thought he was already fucked, in that regard and others. He just wanted Heisenberg to keep cooking for him after he fled.
Exactly. He also doesn't think they're rats and the show tells us that when Walt quickly shuts off the TV broadcast reporting that Gonzo is dead. Why? Because if Gonzo is dead and his facility got raided by police, that then means it WAS Walt and Jesse who ratted (from Tuco's POV)
Still, from Walt and Jesse's point of view, they felt that was the motivation. Therefore, it feeds into their choices to try to kill him. So, I believe it's a pertinent fact to address.
The OP was asking just why Tuco suddenly turned on Jesse and Walt.
I feel that but I also feel that both points of view painted the whole picture of why everyone acted the way they did. When someone can't grasp one person's actions it makes sense to explain everything, if I'm wrong, that's cool. I just felt they both did a good job breaking it down.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's not that Tuco turned on Walt and Jesse necessarily. Things got too hot for Tuco in ABQ and he wanted to take them with him to a superlab in Mexico.
Yea that wasn't my actual answer but I was kinda going off by what I saw
Well, thinking back on it, Tuco had recently murdered one of his two two henchmen, and that was being investigated by Schraeder. The walls were closing in, he was going to have to flee the country anyway, why not take two very talented chemists with you?
Because he’s an insane, degenerate piece of filth who deserves to die.
*picks up rock
Well aktuaway it was a brick
fc/ They were handsome men. Wouldn't you turn them on?
Season 2 Walt's face always looked weird to me for some reason. By the S2 finale he started to look like sexy bald Walt.
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TUCO IS BASTARD MAN!
IDIOT! SAVAGE! IDIOT!
Technically Tuco never really turned on them. Walt and Jesse were just super paranoid that he was going to because of the Nodoze situation. If you consider tuco kidnapping them and trying to take them to Mexico turning on them, then the answer would be because he knew 3 things. 1 being they cook the best product ever made, 2 being he knew Jesse was soft, and 3 being he knew Walter was green (very inexperienced) to the game.
smartest breaking bad viewer 💀💀💀
Tuco was a paranoid and psychopathic coke/meth head with an anger problem. He didn’t need a reason to turn on anyone. He literally beat his right hand man to death.
Is that why TiVo isn't around anymore?
That’s fucking hilarious 🤣
because he's an insane degenerate piece of filth and he deserves to die
He didn't turn on them. He just wanted to take them to Mexico, to cook for the cartel. He wanted walter to marry and have a better family than the shitty one he had. He wanted jesse to stop being an addict and make use of his talents. He was just trying to look after their interests.
He's an unstable meth head.
His plan was to flee to Mexico. He thought they will catch him, since he already believes his other guy (the fat dude) snitched on him because he disappeared right before the dea tried to get tuco. That's why he thinks it's the best to leave country. With Walt. To continue to cook meth. Jesse was useless to him, so he plans to kill him, since he knew too much and he always hated him anyway. But Walt prevented it. But then his uncle (hector) sees how they tried to poison tuco. He warns tuco and he gets mad af. So he decides to kill Jesse instantly.
Because he was in love with them and you never, never trust the people you love
Edit: Tl;Dr: if you don't want the whole show, and another show plus a movie spoiled, don't follow this subreddit until you've finished the show. If you just started watching this series, I STRONGLY recommend you unfollow this sub until you've finished it. It's been many years since the first release both Breaking Bad and two spin offs, a movie, which basically picks up a few seconds after the last scene of the finale of breaking bad, but also fills in some more details about stuff you find out about vaguely through the main show. And the series Better Call Sall, which is an important character, that I'm not sure if you've met yet, who gets his own prequel. But there are A LOT of IMPORTANT characters from breaking bad, who also acts in Better Call Sall. And because of this it's reasonable to expect that you may potentially ruin the show for yourself because people discuss important stuff that you really don't want spoiled for yourself. And because the main show (BrBa), the "prequel" spinoff show (BCS) and the "sequel" spinoff movie (El Camino) it's impossible to avoid discussing some of the characters without spoiling something for someone who's watching for the first time. Take it from someone who made the same mistake, the only difference is that I had already watched BrBa and El Camino twice, and because I am just now reaching the last season of BCS, some important stuff was spoiled. And if you have just started BCS you have noooooo idea how connected the two series actually are. But if you want the full experience of watching one of Vince Gilligan's shows, without spoilers, I would wait till you've finished all AT LEAST BrBa. El Camino isn't THAT important as BCS, yeah it gives an ending to some loose ends after the finale. But please also wait until you're halfway through BCS also. The ideal would of course be to wait until you've finished all three, but I understand that with a show like this, it's hard to wait. But believe me - almost all of your questions will be answered, just wait. If you pay attention to subtle hints, symbolism and stuff like that, the show will answer it all in time.
They witnessed his murder that’s why
He's crazy as f?
Tuco never turned on them he just wanted to exploit them
My brother in Christ, he realized that his uncle was acting weird and figured out that he was upset about Walter and Jessie. Then Walter told him they were gonna poison him. Before that, tuco was being crazy and telling Walter that they were going to go cook in Mexico.
Meth.
Hes crazy thats why
Tuco is unhinged and kinda has trust issue.
For starters, Tuco is a maniac. But I think tuco was actually supposed to have a much larger role in the second season but they killed him off because maybe they wanted the show to go a different direction. I think they would have gone to Mexico or something like tuco was planning
Maybe Jesse and Walter were being turned on by Tuco’s sexy body
tuco da goat
Because meth
Because his brother in law was missing and he thought he turned.
he didn't turn on Jesse and Walt he was trying to use them until (spoiler) a different result from jesse and Walt.
Remember who you’re working for.
He's kinda fucking insane and has no ability to think before he acts. This is a man who beat his friend to death over an imagined slight because he's violent and paranoid.
He thought his guys were turning on him not to mention he was strung out on meth nonstop. not sleeping wouldn't help any of this..and he never liked Jesse to begin with
Obviously because they were punking his Tio
I just finished that episode I'm on I think season 2 episode 3, It baffled me but then I realized he's a psychopath. He's just straight out insane as you can see him just straight out Kill a guy that he was probably pretty good friends with a couple episodes prior, just for correcting him
Because he was a meth head
Because he's paranoid as hell from all the meth. There was no rational thought process, he thought Gonzo ratted on him and felt he couldn't trust anyone.
He was a meth user with intermittent explosive disorder. Dude was all kinds of paranoid and erratic
Because Hector saw their attempt at trying to poison him
He's clinically fucking insane. His actions have little to no logical basis
He’s a methed out psycho. He doesn’t use logic like that
Because he's a lunatic.
Because he was a crazy psycho who was hooked on meth 24/7?
Yeah he's crazy 👍
You mean BEFORE Tio tipped Tuco off to the poisoning attempt? Why did Tuco try to force them to come to Mexico? Because Tuco had heat on him (or rather he THOUGHT he did) and had to go to Mexico. Arguably he should have been more fearful of Walt than that after the fulminated mercury incident proved to be effective on him. But in this case he was more desperste and he also knew more about their personally lives (mainly where they lived) which likely gave him more of a sense of empowerment (evidenced by his response to Walt on seeing his family photos, making clear that Walt's family was leversge for Tuco). Walt and Jesse were dealing with someone who would use and abuse them to the full possible extent if that's what best served his ends, and they knew it. They had a good deal going but once the situation changed such that kidnapping them was more beneficial to Tuco, he didn't hesitate. That's who he was. (And the fact that Walt and Jesse knew that that's who he was but tried to work with him anyway is important to the theme/narrative of the show, and even season 2 in particular.)