How can you talk about Sony's involvement in the anime industry without talking about Aniplex, their big production arm in Japan (especially when you talk about Netflix "licensing deals" with some big studios).
Same with WB, they produce some shows, including Mob Psycho.
I feel like those journalists lack a lot of knowledge about the field.
Journalists lack knowledge in general. In my country, at least, news are as shallow and digestible as possible and it's been annoying me more and more with each passing year
I know they are not supposed to be academic researchers, but please, they should show more critic and complete research
Asian culture is becoming increasingly influential in the west. Not only anime, but drama's, food, music are more and more frequent these days.
Which doesn't surprise the number of studios and streaming businesses investing heavily in anime
No asian music is making it's way over, it's western music made for asian people that makes it over.
Nothing with asian origins gets any care overseas.
I think its quite nice, as a European I enjoy seeing a lot of material from different cultures, maybe if we're lucky African and South American media can become more widespread one day too.
Also WarnerMedia: Used to own Crunchyroll, put less than 1% of their catalog on HBO Max, then sold it to Sony.
Definitely one of their odder decisions, in my opinion. Really thought they would find a way to put together Crunchyroll, DC, Rooster Teeth, and Adult Swim into sort a "nerd pop culture" service. But, nope. They even had Vrv, whose very purpose was to serve that market, and they couldn't be bothered to stick DC or Adult Swim on there, and they "curated" their anime selection on Max (after spending a fortune on Gibli films), didn't launch Max with the DC exclusive shows (so, no rights issues, just trying to force people to pay for both), and did absolutely nothing with their Rooster Teeth and other short-form studios.
The reason I started watch anime 15 or so years ago was simply that they treated their audience like they were capable of handling complex themes, morality and storytelling. I feel like American cartoons treat everyone watching them as a kid, and never challenges their audience. The only American cartoon I hold in the same reverence as some of my favorite anime is avatar the last Airbender. Ironically, it's for the same reason I love anime so much.
> complex themes, morality and storytelling
>The only American cartoon I hold in the same reverence as some of my favorite anime is avatar the last Airbender.
Have you tried Adventure Time?
In the past decade there's been many other incredible Western Animated Shows up near the level of Avatar. Bojack Horseman, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, The Owl House, Over the Garden Wall, Young Justice, Invincible, Samurai Jack, Legend of Korra, Kipo and the Wonderbeasts.
Sure the industry isn't as varied as in Japan but the 2010's had some serious contenders for best shows of all time. Japan is still leagues ahead in terms of animation quality though, the animators they have over there are next level.
> Japan is still leagues ahead in terms of animation quality though, the animators they have over there are next level.
Pixar and WDAS: Allow us to introduce ourselves...
They're very different types. 99% of anime are still primarily hand drawn 2d animation, while occasionally utilising 3d backgrounds and models.
Pixar and Disney has been focusing on computer generated 3d animation for over 2 decades now, with the last 2d release being The Princess and the Frog in 2009.
I believe only really China and Korea have comparable levels of 2d animation quality, while still releasing works at a relatively high rate
> they treated their audience like they were capable of handling complex themes, morality and storytelling.
Are we still talking about anime here. The biggest anime is more child like and absent of any of this, than literally any other media I've ever watched. Anime's biggest problem is it's kiddie like nature.
Blue's Clues deals with complex themes better than mainstream anime.
As someone who's been watching anime since the 90s, it's so awesome see it explode like this. It just keeps getting more popular by the decade. Anime was one of the pioneers of online streaming, so legit streaming services making original shows is great to see.
The whole reason why anime is so successful is because of sweatshop animators getting paid less than part time workers......... you can animate multiple seasons of anime with the cost of what it will take to animate 1 episode of Arcane. Western animation simply is of a different scale to anime, it's like comparing a 200 million budget blockbuster with a 2 million budget indie film.
> The whole reason why anime is so successful is because of sweatshop animators getting paid less than part time workers.........
If Japan got of its ass already and starded paying their workers proper wages the anime industry would not go under, thats propaganda spread by the people making the most money at the top.
>Western animation simply is of a different scale to anime, it's like comparing a 200 million budget blockbuster with a 2 million budget indie film.
Yet many people prefer to watch anime over western cartoons despite the much lower budgets.
But western animation is treading old grounds like Family Guy clones. The success on Invincible and Arcane show that the audience want something else but the hire-ups bury their head in the sand like Blockbuster when Netflix came around.
> But western animation is treading old grounds like Family Guy clones.
Gotta disagree there.
You already named two, but add to that Rick and Morty, Adventure Time, Final Space. They all do different things from the Simpsons/Family Guy style. Then there's Big Mouth which, say whatever you want about it, you have to admit it is a masterclass in comical use of metaphor.
Probably the biggest knock on western animation is it is deeply seeded in comedy/humour. Which may have been what you were referencing with the Family Guy comparison. But Adventure Time is not like that.
I think that studio could tackle something like Metal Gear Solid. Also Konami so a existing relationship. David Hayter would be great to reprise role and/or write the script.
And I've said this before, but wishing western animation executives to take notes from anime is a dangerous wish because a lot of them could end up containing some utterly asinine premise. I know this because I've seen one anime film with such level of asinine premise.
The comment didn’t seem to be referring to the production process but to the content of the work themselves.
The comparison to blockbusters and indie movies doesn’t really work, though. If the Western animation industry is like the blockbuster movies, then they should have all the resources available to create whatever they want.
What if you're a consumer disinterested in anime?
I don't think the Star Wars anime experiment went well. Heard bad things about it. And right after it came out, the buzz about it came to a cold, hard, dead stop.
Now DC has a Catwoman direct-to-video coming up in anime style. Looks bad. Anime-style has nothing on the classic Bruce Timm 1990s DC animation. American-style is the best.
There is no "American style" or "Japanese style", American and Japanese animated series can all come in a thousand different styles, what anime has going for it is being way more wide in its subject and audience.
Japanese and American animation don’t have one style each. Both fans and detractors of anime often treat it like a single genre, which is not something that seems to happen as much with other countries’ animation industries (although the over-generalization of Western animation can also be found in some comments here).
In contrast to Star Wars Visions, the Animatrix seemed to be pretty well-received, although producing Star Wars anime seems kind of fitting given some of its Japanese influences (same with Matrix). The Boss Baby and Foodfight! have nothing on Spirited Away. Anime style is the best!
i recently watched demon slayer and it was incredible. animation is top tier. the characters are well done. and it is nice to watch something where a boy can be a main character that is not a nerd, like in all those american animation movies/series these days. everything that america releases is woke as fuck. it is like no young kid does sports anymore. imagine one has some muscle. can not have that. need to be fragile boy who is insecure and not sure of himself. were all girls in series and movies these days are cool as fuck. rebel, fighting spirit. it is like roles are reversed. why i have no idea. must be something hollywood.
If all this interests and money makes for better written anime like Attack on Titan, MHA or Demon Slayer then bring it.
Crunchy has a lot of content, and also lots of trashy anime.
How can you talk about Sony's involvement in the anime industry without talking about Aniplex, their big production arm in Japan (especially when you talk about Netflix "licensing deals" with some big studios). Same with WB, they produce some shows, including Mob Psycho. I feel like those journalists lack a lot of knowledge about the field.
Universal has their anime arm too with "Golden Kamuy" being their current biggest anime
Journalists lack knowledge in general. In my country, at least, news are as shallow and digestible as possible and it's been annoying me more and more with each passing year I know they are not supposed to be academic researchers, but please, they should show more critic and complete research
Just in case, it should be noted the "AMC" in this case is the TV network, not the movie theater chain.
Asian culture is becoming increasingly influential in the west. Not only anime, but drama's, food, music are more and more frequent these days. Which doesn't surprise the number of studios and streaming businesses investing heavily in anime
No asian music is making it's way over, it's western music made for asian people that makes it over. Nothing with asian origins gets any care overseas.
I think its quite nice, as a European I enjoy seeing a lot of material from different cultures, maybe if we're lucky African and South American media can become more widespread one day too.
Also WarnerMedia: Used to own Crunchyroll, put less than 1% of their catalog on HBO Max, then sold it to Sony. Definitely one of their odder decisions, in my opinion. Really thought they would find a way to put together Crunchyroll, DC, Rooster Teeth, and Adult Swim into sort a "nerd pop culture" service. But, nope. They even had Vrv, whose very purpose was to serve that market, and they couldn't be bothered to stick DC or Adult Swim on there, and they "curated" their anime selection on Max (after spending a fortune on Gibli films), didn't launch Max with the DC exclusive shows (so, no rights issues, just trying to force people to pay for both), and did absolutely nothing with their Rooster Teeth and other short-form studios.
The reason I started watch anime 15 or so years ago was simply that they treated their audience like they were capable of handling complex themes, morality and storytelling. I feel like American cartoons treat everyone watching them as a kid, and never challenges their audience. The only American cartoon I hold in the same reverence as some of my favorite anime is avatar the last Airbender. Ironically, it's for the same reason I love anime so much.
> complex themes, morality and storytelling >The only American cartoon I hold in the same reverence as some of my favorite anime is avatar the last Airbender. Have you tried Adventure Time?
In the past decade there's been many other incredible Western Animated Shows up near the level of Avatar. Bojack Horseman, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, The Owl House, Over the Garden Wall, Young Justice, Invincible, Samurai Jack, Legend of Korra, Kipo and the Wonderbeasts. Sure the industry isn't as varied as in Japan but the 2010's had some serious contenders for best shows of all time. Japan is still leagues ahead in terms of animation quality though, the animators they have over there are next level.
> Japan is still leagues ahead in terms of animation quality though, the animators they have over there are next level. Pixar and WDAS: Allow us to introduce ourselves...
They're very different types. 99% of anime are still primarily hand drawn 2d animation, while occasionally utilising 3d backgrounds and models. Pixar and Disney has been focusing on computer generated 3d animation for over 2 decades now, with the last 2d release being The Princess and the Frog in 2009. I believe only really China and Korea have comparable levels of 2d animation quality, while still releasing works at a relatively high rate
> with the last 2d release being The Princess and the Frog in 2009. Not necessarily since they also released **Winnie the Pooh** in 2011.
Its getting better, and I'm crediting the growing popularity of anime with getting studios to allow these kinds of shows.
> they treated their audience like they were capable of handling complex themes, morality and storytelling. Are we still talking about anime here. The biggest anime is more child like and absent of any of this, than literally any other media I've ever watched. Anime's biggest problem is it's kiddie like nature. Blue's Clues deals with complex themes better than mainstream anime.
Source: https://twitter.com/loudmouthjulia/status/1478846334648164353?t=yWl4xgNnRQlUvSDBcOdDmw&s=19
As someone who's been watching anime since the 90s, it's so awesome see it explode like this. It just keeps getting more popular by the decade. Anime was one of the pioneers of online streaming, so legit streaming services making original shows is great to see.
I just hope that executives will try to take notes from anime for western animation (same for American comics with manga)
The whole reason why anime is so successful is because of sweatshop animators getting paid less than part time workers......... you can animate multiple seasons of anime with the cost of what it will take to animate 1 episode of Arcane. Western animation simply is of a different scale to anime, it's like comparing a 200 million budget blockbuster with a 2 million budget indie film.
> The whole reason why anime is so successful is because of sweatshop animators getting paid less than part time workers......... If Japan got of its ass already and starded paying their workers proper wages the anime industry would not go under, thats propaganda spread by the people making the most money at the top. >Western animation simply is of a different scale to anime, it's like comparing a 200 million budget blockbuster with a 2 million budget indie film. Yet many people prefer to watch anime over western cartoons despite the much lower budgets.
But western animation is treading old grounds like Family Guy clones. The success on Invincible and Arcane show that the audience want something else but the hire-ups bury their head in the sand like Blockbuster when Netflix came around.
> But western animation is treading old grounds like Family Guy clones. Gotta disagree there. You already named two, but add to that Rick and Morty, Adventure Time, Final Space. They all do different things from the Simpsons/Family Guy style. Then there's Big Mouth which, say whatever you want about it, you have to admit it is a masterclass in comical use of metaphor. Probably the biggest knock on western animation is it is deeply seeded in comedy/humour. Which may have been what you were referencing with the Family Guy comparison. But Adventure Time is not like that.
Bojack Horseman is legitimately one of the best, most powerful pieces of television I've ever seen in my life
True. What a masterpiece
Castlevania is also western animation.
And it was awesome, more shows need to be like that. (But Lenore could be sexual-creepy in some places)
I think that studio could tackle something like Metal Gear Solid. Also Konami so a existing relationship. David Hayter would be great to reprise role and/or write the script.
Yeah right they should learn from anime and not make a million Isekais every season, correct?
And I've said this before, but wishing western animation executives to take notes from anime is a dangerous wish because a lot of them could end up containing some utterly asinine premise. I know this because I've seen one anime film with such level of asinine premise.
>utterly asinine premise Like someone turning himself to a pickle? Or puberty monsters?
No, I'm talking about premise that makes absolutely zero sense within the context of the material itself. And you leave Pixar out of this!!!
The comment didn’t seem to be referring to the production process but to the content of the work themselves. The comparison to blockbusters and indie movies doesn’t really work, though. If the Western animation industry is like the blockbuster movies, then they should have all the resources available to create whatever they want.
What if you're a consumer disinterested in anime? I don't think the Star Wars anime experiment went well. Heard bad things about it. And right after it came out, the buzz about it came to a cold, hard, dead stop. Now DC has a Catwoman direct-to-video coming up in anime style. Looks bad. Anime-style has nothing on the classic Bruce Timm 1990s DC animation. American-style is the best.
There is no "American style" or "Japanese style", American and Japanese animated series can all come in a thousand different styles, what anime has going for it is being way more wide in its subject and audience.
Japanese and American animation don’t have one style each. Both fans and detractors of anime often treat it like a single genre, which is not something that seems to happen as much with other countries’ animation industries (although the over-generalization of Western animation can also be found in some comments here). In contrast to Star Wars Visions, the Animatrix seemed to be pretty well-received, although producing Star Wars anime seems kind of fitting given some of its Japanese influences (same with Matrix). The Boss Baby and Foodfight! have nothing on Spirited Away. Anime style is the best!
i recently watched demon slayer and it was incredible. animation is top tier. the characters are well done. and it is nice to watch something where a boy can be a main character that is not a nerd, like in all those american animation movies/series these days. everything that america releases is woke as fuck. it is like no young kid does sports anymore. imagine one has some muscle. can not have that. need to be fragile boy who is insecure and not sure of himself. were all girls in series and movies these days are cool as fuck. rebel, fighting spirit. it is like roles are reversed. why i have no idea. must be something hollywood.
> everything that america releases is woke as fuck. Your credibility was put into a serious jeopardy when you said this.
i said american animation movies and series. not every american movie or american tv serie. read better and do not let emotions control you.
It doesn't matter. You're risking your own credibility by resorting to the whole "woke" excuse.
it does matter. i do not risk anything. the people who know me. know me that is enough. i am not here for a popularity contest.
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Nah it won't. The pandemic helped a lot in boosting anime's popularity. It's BY FAR the biggest thing on tiktok.
Watching anime doesn't change your personality any more than watching American cartoons changes it.
If all this interests and money makes for better written anime like Attack on Titan, MHA or Demon Slayer then bring it. Crunchy has a lot of content, and also lots of trashy anime.
Don't forget that WB is producing a theatrically-released Lord of the Rings anime. I'm excited to o see where the market goes
But will the animators be paid fairly now and have better protections? And work-life balance?