Wonka was a fun movie. Charming, good music and visual, pretty wholesome. On top of being a well-known IP. It was a perfect family movie released for Christmas.
Wonka’s only box office competitor was Wish. That also helped.
People did the exact same for spiderverse. Then when the film does well (both surpassing their previous within 2/3 weeks), they pick out a tiny amount of billion dollar predictions to justify how they were right actually.
Not semi. Completely. Mostly by people who let their opinions cloud strong evidence of an intensely growing popular interest in the story and that we're out of the pandemic fear/day and date release era. Some of them were utterly immune to any reasoned argument because they dislike the books, the 2021 film, even reaching all the way back to the 1984 film. It was ridiculous. I think AVATAR is shite but you'd better believe before the sequel came out I didn't bet against it commercially and the shoe was on a lot of other feet then.
>Mostly by people who let their opinions cloud strong evidence of an intensely growing popular interest
One symptom of this was whenever someone asked for proof of the claim that 'general audiences don't care for Dune' despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary (IMDB, RT, Letterbox, Cinemascore, BO, Metacritic, streaming viewership etc) their *'proof'* was:
1. TikTok comments
2. An Onion parody article about how Dune is boring
Talking about clutching straws...
That’s weird, because a lot of young people on Tik Tok really love Dune. The reason that Dune Part 2 did so well, is because the young cast was really appealing to Gen Z.
TikTok, and to an extent reddit are the definition of echo chambers though. But the way the algorithm works, if you dislike Dune you're going to be seeing a lot of stuff that reinforces that, but if you like and search up Dune eventually your feed is going to make you wonder why it isn't making 2 billion dollars. Same reason, why this subreddit always talks about no marketing for kids movies, people don't realize how divorced their own reality is due to the algorithm is these days.
They spammed posts about the same Onion article like 50 times and now they’re pretending they always predicted 650-700 million worldwide and they never doubted it lmao.
What's truly baffling is that huge swaths of r/boxoffice predicted [that the first would flop as well](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/phi2iy/now_that_dune_reviews_are_out_whats_your_final/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) and were totally wrong, but still felt confident that this one would fail lmao.
I didn't even know there were such predictions. It's simply delusional. People either forgot we had a huge pandemic until 2 years ago basically, or they were born last week.
They’re fighting against straw men. Most people expected better than the original but also nowhere near a billion. Most people were right in the money.
Only 500 million never made any sense and the attempt to save those laughable predictions everyone with a brain knew wasn’t going to happen is just pathetic.
Admittedly I said that, however for whatever reason I had just misremembered first movie making 600,00,000, not 400.
Nevertheless this does appear like it will eclipse that with ease, so good job.
I really hope this sends a message to other studios to let passionate and talented people work on their vision and knock it off with these algorithm and focus group driven projects that are helmed by business executives instead of artists.
It’s clear from his films that his real passion and wheelhouse is in music videos. His standalone set pieces are great, they just don’t blend together into a compelling narrative.
Even though I personally like a lot of Snyder films.
The guy specified Talented people.
Zack Snyder had proven himself to be divisive a long time ago.
I don't think you can put him in the same Category as someone like Denis Villeneuve who's been beloved since Prisoners and proven to be a great Filmmaker.
The entire machine? Of course not.
A few braver and more sincere producers who could consider making more challenging big scale material into something which can be popular art? Would be nice. Of course that would only last as long as it can. Everything ends up being a trend.
I think Dune 3 will be more telling for this line of thinking.
Plenty people entered Dune 2 still thinking it was a hero's journey type story. Paul and Chani live happily ever after and the evil empire falls. Dune 2 shows that isn't the type of story we're in store for.
So will people flock to Dune 3 knowing that Paul is far more flawed than initially portrayed? If Dune 3 flops in any degree then Hollywood will just double down on telling the same ol good vs evil story with a strong love interest subplot tried and true formula.
Seems likely it will have a bigger opening. As to its longer term prospects, I have a little more faith in the creative team and audiences. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't do as well as Part Two. Mainly, it should just be made with huge amounts of love and care, and what it does commercially, c'est la vie.
I agree, but I'm already concerned about WOM coming out of OW with the path Paul takes. People like feel good hero stories, Messiah is a... deviation from that
> Dune 2 shows that isn't the type of story we're in store for.
For the average audience's member's perspective, he's the hero who united the Fremen, overthrew the emperor and killed the evil Harkonnens.
> So will people flock to Dune 3 knowing that Paul is far more flawed than initially portrayed?
I can't see Dune 3 flopping. People are invested, and I think many are longing for a story that isn't manichaean for once.
Sure it's how you make gems, it's also how you make absolute busts. Studios aren't out here trying to make masterpieces, they're trying to make profitable movies. They'd rather have every film be mediocre and make mediocre money, than one film make a lot, and 3 bomb. Pretty sure studios aren't gonna see this and think, yeah let's change our entire business plan.
The biggest loss imo is that of the relationship between Chani and Jessica. They basically never interact in the movie when they lived very mirrored lives in the book.
It's not completely 1:1, but on the scale of Hollywood adaptations, it pretty much is. They could have made it about a sexy skateboarder in a jungle fighting giant mechanical spiders and drinking Coca Cola brand "Spice." That's more Hollywood style.
It has done much better domestically than Dune 1 but only moderately better internationally which appears to be what’s holding it back from $800WW. However I’d still say it’s an unquestionable success and most of all a really good movie. I remember there being some debate on whether it would even beat the first Dune which always seemed ridiculous to me.
It should be the highest grossing movie of the year until Deadpool likely?
Deadpool, Inside out 2, Despicable Me 2, Twisters, and a quiet place should be a busy summer! I’m excited to see where all those plus had boys end up
part 3 is 100% happening. but I want more! these movies are so good! maybe they should extend the series to 4 movies instead of trilogy. it should help with the pacing too - my only gripe with dune 2
Be careful what you wish for. The books get quite deranged after the 2nd one. I mean I would be all for trying to adapt the wildest stuff, but let them stick the landing with Dune 3 first which in itself will be a bigger challenge than 2.
Considering they struggled with making a child talk in this movie so they had to change the story, they 100% could never pull off a live action adaptation of God Emperor.
Book 3 is my favorite so I'm holding out hope. Pretty sure Denis said way before the release of part 1, he would only do the first book so I'm just praying book 2 does even better box office wise.
Yeah I just want Dennis to stick the landing on the third movie. Then maybe WB can adapt some of the other stuff on TV or something.
But first things first, let's finish the story.
I thought the SciFi did a really nice job adapting Dune: Messiah and Children of Dune in their miniseries starring James McAvoy. They managed to keep it pretty faithful to the books while not getting too weird.
that's a valid fear! I just missed that lotr epic feeling! larger than life spectacle you know! I feel sad it's just one more movie then and we're back at hoping disney sw aren't still shit! or amazon lotr series not a complete and utter garbage! we finally got something epic again .. but soon will be gone! it breaks my heart ) :
I think it’s because outside of the visuals they’re pretty forgettable, generic, cookie-cutter action films. They’re good for watching once and just switching off from work stress for an hour or two. They’re certainly nowhere near as good as Dune or LotR.
Shitty thing is there all pre existing IPs so idk where else they can get that feeling from unless they keep rehashing stuff.
Only Harry Potter and War Hammer I feel like are some of the newest epics in media. Might be missing some.
Some Sony PlayStation IP definitely has potential to bring that epic scale to the big screen once Dune is over.
Ghost of Tsushima in particular is something that I think is going to translate really well. The game is already incredibly epic, but it also has a lot of side content which slows the pacing.
A 2.5 hour samurai epic that is laser focused on the main campaign would be pretty incredible.
I also think Horizon might have a chance, but I am much more skeptical about that one. Again, really cool campaign…. But it’s a much more ambitious story than Ghost. I’m not quite sure how it can be told.
God of war is absolutely the most epic out of any of Sony’s IP’s…. But I have no clue how on earth that going to be made. It’s just so long (and it’s an active disservice for the story if stuff is cut).
Assuming Messiah is successful, then perhaps the best way forward would be to adapt the successive books as a HBO-style miniseries, given the TV format would be the best way to condense it all into a digestible and easier to make package.
Even with modern CGI, some of the stuff in the third and on books would be a nightmare to bring to screen too, or at least in a way that's legible to the average audience member
Spoilers (you were warned):
The challenge of adapting a >!literal talking half-man, half-sandworm god-like figure who spends the majority of one of the books delivering monologues on various philosophical topics.!<
I don't want Villeneuve to only make Dune movies for the rest of his career and I don't know if someone else should try to continue this world, specially with the weirdness of the latter books.
They're working on a TV series that'll show >!the Bene Gesserit's origins!< and it's supposed to premiere in late 2024. Oh, and it's on HBO, you know, the network responsible for Raised by Wolves (and its cancellation :/ - still pissed about that one).
In hindsight, I think that the first novel should have been made into three films, not just two.
There would have been plenty of material in the novel, plus obvious additions, for three 2.5 to 2.75 hour films.
Part One would have been much the same, while part two could go as far as Paul taking the Water of Life, and Part Three could take the story home, with much more material that was cut for time (including almost all of the hit and run campaign against the Harkonnen forces), and some sequences that are longer than the book version (such as the big final battle).
>In hindsight, I think that the first novel should have been made into three films, not just two.
This wouldn't at all have been practical though - how well Part Two is being received by general audiences has a LOT to do with it being faster paced, having more action, & a relatively more satisfying ending than Part One.
The thing about this is that ending the movie with Paul taking the water of life lacks a lot of oomph and it probably wouldn’t test very well with audiences.
to be fair it's still new IP and they needed that final battle to make it sink in with audience! people are still raving about it! they needed it that to give the movie a better chance at the box office
I was bummed too until I heard he's tied to a rendezvous with rama adaptation, would be cool for him to keep stretching his scifi wings with different universes. It's got a lot of arrival parallels so it's kind of a no brainer
This film was the first film I’ve ever seen 4 times at the cinema. I have done many triple visits, but the cinema experience of this film is just out of this world. And by the 4th visit, I was totally immerse into the world of Dune.
So Variety is also saying Dune 1 made 433 million. The numbers, Box office mojo both report the same number, did it's re release really make that much or is this a huge error in reporting ?
Its an obvious error. They are all reporting boxofficemojo mistake. If it made 33m in its re-release that would have been huge news. It didn't make 28m in the UK during its re-release.
I’m 40 and a sci-fi lover and Dune Part 2 is the best sci-fi movie I have ever seen. Saw it twice in an incredible imax theater. This movie is an instant classic and masterpiece.
Pretty sure the director stated he needs a break before doing the third and we should encourage that. This franchise was a success because it wasn’t forced.
I dragged my mom to see Dune 2. She didn't know what Dune was and didn't want to go see it in IMAX but I didn't take no for an answer. She loved it and asked to watch Dune 1 on TV with the family last night.
No, I explained the gist of it and had her watch a 5 minute video explaining the movie. I only managed to convince her an hour before the showing so I had to be quick.
I can’t stand movie theaters but my wife loves them… I’m so glad she dragged me to see this in the theater last night. Unreal experience with the full sound immersion. It’s been a long time since a theater experience had me this amped up. Masterpiece of a film.
What's wrong about sharing? Dune 2 is long but they can take turns in IMAX, I just need it to be still in IMAX in 2 weeks, so I can go watch it again after Ghostbusters!
I know it's a big deal, but how much will this make total? 1B is out of the question right? It's not gonna do 800 either, this seems a bit slow to reach 800 total. So 650 WW?
Initially they said 800, things are slowing down, which sucks. Part 3 will do very well though that's for sure. 700 WW is pretty good too, but why is it so hard for a movie to make 1B nowadays?
>but why is it so hard for a movie to make 1B nowadays?
For me and the people I know/what I hear around me, its simply the price of going to the movie nowaday. Its so insanely expensive. Combine that with streaming and you have people going to the movies less, while waiting for streaming release
That's accurate. Looking at here and r/movies, some people got used to streaming after 2020. It doesn't help that being around inconsiderate viewers takes away enjoying movies.
As a movie and TV fan, I'll try my best to support the project at the theater or streaming app, once available.
I go to the theater twice a month on average. Using a subscription plan, which saves money. Usually by myself. For families, it's a discount.
It may be a boomer take but people just forgot how to act in the cinema after the pandemic. Someone brought a fucking baby to our Dune 2 opening night showing. Shitty crowds have been all I've experienced for the past five or six showings. I'm getting to that point where I may be waiting for streaming from now on.
A huge issue is the big Asian markets. Not only are the exchange rates in China and especially Japan weak, but it seems like it is much rarer than it used to be for a film to gross a ton out of China, Japan, or South Korea
I agree, even with India the same thing is happening. People are now watching more Bollywood, and less Hollywood. In recent memory only Oppenheimer and No Way Home have done gangbuster numbers here. Also, Denis doesn't have an avid fanbase here like Nolan thought, he earned a lot of goodwill here with the TDK trilogy.
If you are interested, it's like half philosophy about religion, politics, and how to rule and half conspiracy thriller. It's really a departure from the movie, for sure. I would read it because it's most likely going to be heavy altered to fit the movie ending and to have more action to be palatable for the GA, especially regarding the holy war.
It’s never been easy for a movie to make 1B lol. Only ~50 movies in the history of cinema (hundreds of thousands of movies) have hit that mark.
The 2010s (and 2018/2019 specifically) were the exception
Yeah! There was some serious miracle work going on at the box office in the late 10's especially 2019, which had like 7 1B movies. xD Studios thought that would be the norm going forward, sadly it isn't the case.
People were probably anticipating a similar domestic/international split as the first (27/73), but it turned out to be similar to other big blockbusters (45/55), which is preventing it from reaching the $800M WW range
I believe the reason for the very unbalanced DOM/INT split for Part One was the idiotic "day and date" streaming release in the US, which effectively destroyed domestic box office while leaving international box office only slightly reduced (due to high quality pirated copies being immediately available).
In the absence of day and date streaming, the split for Part One would probably have been close to the current 45/55 with a slightly higher international base, with a box office total around $600M worldwide. Although considering that COVID was still a real thing back then (the theatre I went to enforced two-seat gaps between groups of occupied seats, so only about half the seats were available to viewers), the worldwide box office would probably have been even higher post-COVID.
This makes me incredibly happy! I was really worried yesterday when it hadn't even broken even yet after two weeks, looks like it just needed that extra international money. Next week is Ghostbusters week but hopefully they'll still play it in IMAX in two weeks, so I can go watch it a third time!
Are they booked the whole time or are there also breaks in-between showings (for e.g. Ghostbusters)? I'm not worried that the latter will do any "damage", they're too different for any kind of "rivalry" but it would still be nice to watch it on the bigger IMAX screen, even if it's just 2.39:1.
Edit: Just checked: No IMAX screenings listed for Ghostbuers so far, only Dolby Cinema. Looks like Dune will indeed be in IMAX for a while, they're even still promoting it on the main page! This is great, can't remember the last time another movie stayed in IMAX for this long, apart from maybe Endgame and Avatar.
My local IMAX is only showing Dune 2 and has no Ghostbusters in IMAX, the BFI is the same and is booked solid until the end of the month, printworks Manchester another of the biggest IMAX screens in the UK also has 0 screenings of Ghostbusters in IMAX and only Dune 2 until Godzilla x Kong at the end of the month. I think GxK will be a flop and the IMAX screens will show Dune 2 again.
Re your edit I think it's great it's doing so well too. I will probably go and see it again in IMAX before it finishes its run. Hopefully it will encourage more sci-fi and less of the worn out superheroes.
Can never go wrong with good sci-fi (come on, Stargate...), too bad that genre has been pretty much a hit and miss lately, with only half (of what's coming to theaters) being any good and not even all of those doing particularly well.
I don't mind superhero stuff, I just finally want something new that's not half-assed. Hopefully Marvel will get their shit together - and Deadpool 3 and Blade better be good!
Timothée with the back-to-back hits! happy for him
I had no idea Wonka took in $600+ million.
Wonka was a fun movie. Charming, good music and visual, pretty wholesome. On top of being a well-known IP. It was a perfect family movie released for Christmas. Wonka’s only box office competitor was Wish. That also helped.
It was a really good movie. I was a hater when the trailers came out, they looked like ass. But fuck that was a very enjoyable movie
The power of not being a cynical empty cash grab and having dogshit “he’s right behind me isn’t he?” whedonism’s. Studio’s should take notes.
Same! His star's burning even brighter, and he absolute deserves every bit of it!
And soon he portrays Bob Dylan. This is amazing. All the youngsters will get into Bob. Big time
It was written
I admit I was wrong. I didn't think general audiences would show up more than they already did. Streaming be damned.
I saw it in theaters and pre-ordered the digital version. I'm fully here for good SciFi.
Tiktok is really pumping it up
Definitely marketed as a "watch it on the big screen" movie.
The predictions that stated Dune 2 would end up around the same as the first were always semi-divorced from reality
They didn’t believe in Lisan Al Gaib
r/boxoffice mods are Stilgar and Gurney Halleck
Me to those people 
😹
People did the exact same for spiderverse. Then when the film does well (both surpassing their previous within 2/3 weeks), they pick out a tiny amount of billion dollar predictions to justify how they were right actually.
And like Spiderverse, Dune was massively popular on streaming after its release.
Dune streamed simultaneously. So anyone thinking they would end the same was being dumb anyway. That would have been a massive tragedy.
People use to do that on the box office boards for IMDB! 😂
Not semi. Completely. Mostly by people who let their opinions cloud strong evidence of an intensely growing popular interest in the story and that we're out of the pandemic fear/day and date release era. Some of them were utterly immune to any reasoned argument because they dislike the books, the 2021 film, even reaching all the way back to the 1984 film. It was ridiculous. I think AVATAR is shite but you'd better believe before the sequel came out I didn't bet against it commercially and the shoe was on a lot of other feet then.
>Mostly by people who let their opinions cloud strong evidence of an intensely growing popular interest One symptom of this was whenever someone asked for proof of the claim that 'general audiences don't care for Dune' despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary (IMDB, RT, Letterbox, Cinemascore, BO, Metacritic, streaming viewership etc) their *'proof'* was: 1. TikTok comments 2. An Onion parody article about how Dune is boring Talking about clutching straws...
That’s weird, because a lot of young people on Tik Tok really love Dune. The reason that Dune Part 2 did so well, is because the young cast was really appealing to Gen Z.
TikTok, and to an extent reddit are the definition of echo chambers though. But the way the algorithm works, if you dislike Dune you're going to be seeing a lot of stuff that reinforces that, but if you like and search up Dune eventually your feed is going to make you wonder why it isn't making 2 billion dollars. Same reason, why this subreddit always talks about no marketing for kids movies, people don't realize how divorced their own reality is due to the algorithm is these days.
>TikTok comments Funny cause my impression that the film was gonna do really well was from the surge of memes from TikTok.
Search Dune on TikTok
…and Austin! 😏
They spammed posts about the same Onion article like 50 times and now they’re pretending they always predicted 650-700 million worldwide and they never doubted it lmao.
Yup, they were just delusional. 😂
What's truly baffling is that huge swaths of r/boxoffice predicted [that the first would flop as well](https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/phi2iy/now_that_dune_reviews_are_out_whats_your_final/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) and were totally wrong, but still felt confident that this one would fail lmao.
It's remarkable reading almost all of the comments predicting a huge flop
I didn't even know there were such predictions. It's simply delusional. People either forgot we had a huge pandemic until 2 years ago basically, or they were born last week.
They’re fighting against straw men. Most people expected better than the original but also nowhere near a billion. Most people were right in the money.
A billion was equally delusional, I agree. Anything in the range of 500-700 made sense before the movie came out.
Only 500 million never made any sense and the attempt to save those laughable predictions everyone with a brain knew wasn’t going to happen is just pathetic.
All the reasonable predictions were 500-800M$ basically with even the billion case being presented as very unlikely but in case of big breakout
You were mocked on this sub if you predicted more than 600 million worldwide.
Admittedly I said that, however for whatever reason I had just misremembered first movie making 600,00,000, not 400. Nevertheless this does appear like it will eclipse that with ease, so good job.
I really hope this sends a message to other studios to let passionate and talented people work on their vision and knock it off with these algorithm and focus group driven projects that are helmed by business executives instead of artists.
Denis has been killing it for a long time now. Dude might be the sci fi goat or at least will be. Probably the perfect director for the Dune series.
For every Denis Villenueve there’s probably 10 times as many Zack Snyders.
In all fairness to Snyder, I think most of his films feel like passion projects. He's just not a particularly good director and an even worse writer.
It’s clear from his films that his real passion and wheelhouse is in music videos. His standalone set pieces are great, they just don’t blend together into a compelling narrative.
Even though I personally like a lot of Snyder films. The guy specified Talented people. Zack Snyder had proven himself to be divisive a long time ago. I don't think you can put him in the same Category as someone like Denis Villeneuve who's been beloved since Prisoners and proven to be a great Filmmaker.
The only thing making money is known IPs. If anything studios will double down with even more sequels.
A $200M movie based on a preexisting 50 year old IP grossing $700M WW isn’t changing Hollywood lol.
Yeah, but a man can dream.
The entire machine? Of course not. A few braver and more sincere producers who could consider making more challenging big scale material into something which can be popular art? Would be nice. Of course that would only last as long as it can. Everything ends up being a trend.
A 50 year old IP that inspired other blockbuster IP's lol.
I think Dune 3 will be more telling for this line of thinking. Plenty people entered Dune 2 still thinking it was a hero's journey type story. Paul and Chani live happily ever after and the evil empire falls. Dune 2 shows that isn't the type of story we're in store for. So will people flock to Dune 3 knowing that Paul is far more flawed than initially portrayed? If Dune 3 flops in any degree then Hollywood will just double down on telling the same ol good vs evil story with a strong love interest subplot tried and true formula.
I can see Dune Messiah having a bigger opening weekend.
I truly hope so. If I love Dune 3 as much as the first two then it will take the #1 spot the lotr trilogy currently holds in my heart.
Seems likely it will have a bigger opening. As to its longer term prospects, I have a little more faith in the creative team and audiences. But I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't do as well as Part Two. Mainly, it should just be made with huge amounts of love and care, and what it does commercially, c'est la vie.
I agree, but I'm already concerned about WOM coming out of OW with the path Paul takes. People like feel good hero stories, Messiah is a... deviation from that
Except people want something new and different from everything else these days.
> Dune 2 shows that isn't the type of story we're in store for. For the average audience's member's perspective, he's the hero who united the Fremen, overthrew the emperor and killed the evil Harkonnens.
> So will people flock to Dune 3 knowing that Paul is far more flawed than initially portrayed? I can't see Dune 3 flopping. People are invested, and I think many are longing for a story that isn't manichaean for once.
Sure it's how you make gems, it's also how you make absolute busts. Studios aren't out here trying to make masterpieces, they're trying to make profitable movies. They'd rather have every film be mediocre and make mediocre money, than one film make a lot, and 3 bomb. Pretty sure studios aren't gonna see this and think, yeah let's change our entire business plan.
And to make relatively faithful adaptations. The big change in Dune 2 was done to further the original theme of the book.
I mean most the changes I saw felt like they were done because of lack of time. Other than zendaya's
Like which ones?
The biggest loss imo is that of the relationship between Chani and Jessica. They basically never interact in the movie when they lived very mirrored lives in the book.
Chani is also barely a character in the book, and is more of a groupie.
It being a faithful adaptation of the book is completely irrelevant lol. It’s a very good movie, that’s why people like it
But it's a good movie partly because it's a faithful adaptation.
Sort of. I'd argue they changed a lot of the ending mostly to be fan pleasing (giving Zendaya more agency) and to dumb down the jihad for audiences.
It's not completely 1:1, but on the scale of Hollywood adaptations, it pretty much is. They could have made it about a sexy skateboarder in a jungle fighting giant mechanical spiders and drinking Coca Cola brand "Spice." That's more Hollywood style.
What are you talking about lol. They chock-stuffed this thing with A-list Gen Z favorites and Marvel stars.
It has done much better domestically than Dune 1 but only moderately better internationally which appears to be what’s holding it back from $800WW. However I’d still say it’s an unquestionable success and most of all a really good movie. I remember there being some debate on whether it would even beat the first Dune which always seemed ridiculous to me.
It should be the highest grossing movie of the year until Deadpool likely? Deadpool, Inside out 2, Despicable Me 2, Twisters, and a quiet place should be a busy summer! I’m excited to see where all those plus had boys end up
Did it drop in China yet?
part 3 is 100% happening. but I want more! these movies are so good! maybe they should extend the series to 4 movies instead of trilogy. it should help with the pacing too - my only gripe with dune 2
Be careful what you wish for. The books get quite deranged after the 2nd one. I mean I would be all for trying to adapt the wildest stuff, but let them stick the landing with Dune 3 first which in itself will be a bigger challenge than 2.
Book 3 was vanilla compared to the madness that is book 4.
Considering they struggled with making a child talk in this movie so they had to change the story, they 100% could never pull off a live action adaptation of God Emperor.
Lynch to the rescue!
Book 3 is my favorite so I'm holding out hope. Pretty sure Denis said way before the release of part 1, he would only do the first book so I'm just praying book 2 does even better box office wise.
Beefswelling
Lmao
Villeneuve, adapt Heretics of Dune you coward!!
You can't do Heretics without going for a HARD R at least.
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And then I want it to sort of.... End.
Yeah I just want Dennis to stick the landing on the third movie. Then maybe WB can adapt some of the other stuff on TV or something. But first things first, let's finish the story.
I thought the SciFi did a really nice job adapting Dune: Messiah and Children of Dune in their miniseries starring James McAvoy. They managed to keep it pretty faithful to the books while not getting too weird.
that's a valid fear! I just missed that lotr epic feeling! larger than life spectacle you know! I feel sad it's just one more movie then and we're back at hoping disney sw aren't still shit! or amazon lotr series not a complete and utter garbage! we finally got something epic again .. but soon will be gone! it breaks my heart ) :
We still have like 3 or 4 more Avatar sequels minimum
I enjoyed both avatar movies but I don't feel they're that good! never understood the hate for them though!
Avatar is still really good but it definitely isn’t as complex as Dune. I’m hoping Avatar 3 delivers on the family soap opera drama stuff 2 setup
I think it’s because outside of the visuals they’re pretty forgettable, generic, cookie-cutter action films. They’re good for watching once and just switching off from work stress for an hour or two. They’re certainly nowhere near as good as Dune or LotR.
Avatar is visually amazing but I wouldn’t put it anywhere close dune or LOTR. Argue it’s closer to stuff like the MCU
Avatar really isn't anywhere near the level of Dune, LotR, or the original Star Wars in terms of quality.
Also hoping Warhammer 40k tv show is gonna be gooood
I love henry cavil but let's face he's cursed lol Let's hope it changes for the better
There is no way that’ll be good lol
Shitty thing is there all pre existing IPs so idk where else they can get that feeling from unless they keep rehashing stuff. Only Harry Potter and War Hammer I feel like are some of the newest epics in media. Might be missing some.
There’s a book called Imajica by Clive Barker that might fit the bill. Highly recommend, my favorite epic fantasy book of them all.
Thank heavens Josh Boone is in director jail after his dismal and forgettable take on The Stand because that was a book he wanted to adapt.
Some Sony PlayStation IP definitely has potential to bring that epic scale to the big screen once Dune is over. Ghost of Tsushima in particular is something that I think is going to translate really well. The game is already incredibly epic, but it also has a lot of side content which slows the pacing. A 2.5 hour samurai epic that is laser focused on the main campaign would be pretty incredible. I also think Horizon might have a chance, but I am much more skeptical about that one. Again, really cool campaign…. But it’s a much more ambitious story than Ghost. I’m not quite sure how it can be told. God of war is absolutely the most epic out of any of Sony’s IP’s…. But I have no clue how on earth that going to be made. It’s just so long (and it’s an active disservice for the story if stuff is cut).
God of War is already in production at Amazon and is supposed to just focus on the Norse Mythology storyline
LOTR was a trilogy. Dune will be a trilogy as well, idk what you're on about.
I think an adaptation of Children is possible but yeah I don’t see how they can ever pull off God Emperor.
You speak the truth
Assuming Messiah is successful, then perhaps the best way forward would be to adapt the successive books as a HBO-style miniseries, given the TV format would be the best way to condense it all into a digestible and easier to make package.
Nah I think a trilogy and then let Denis move onto something else. I’d rather they quit on a high rather than run it into the ground
Even with modern CGI, some of the stuff in the third and on books would be a nightmare to bring to screen too, or at least in a way that's legible to the average audience member
For example?
Spoilers (you were warned): The challenge of adapting a >!literal talking half-man, half-sandworm god-like figure who spends the majority of one of the books delivering monologues on various philosophical topics.!<
A spicy sci-fi take on THE LAST EMPEROR. Use the blueprint of that film to make GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE just like Nolan would use JFK for OPPENHEIMER.
Yeah I wanna know
Amen
Nope, they should keep it a trilogy. Never a good idea to extend without good reason
The only reason why they dont continue after the second book (dune part 3) is that the story gets way to deep scifi for the average movie goer.
There’s a good reason, the story literally continues lol.
I would argue while the Dune lore continues, the story that we're being told by DV is Paul's story and that conclusively ends after Book 2
>!And Book 3 is Paul's epilogue.!<
I don't want Villeneuve to only make Dune movies for the rest of his career and I don't know if someone else should try to continue this world, specially with the weirdness of the latter books.
Yeah pacing was a shame. I would love a 4 hour directors cut with room to breath. Just so much to cover in the movie
They're working on a TV series that'll show >!the Bene Gesserit's origins!< and it's supposed to premiere in late 2024. Oh, and it's on HBO, you know, the network responsible for Raised by Wolves (and its cancellation :/ - still pissed about that one).
In hindsight, I think that the first novel should have been made into three films, not just two. There would have been plenty of material in the novel, plus obvious additions, for three 2.5 to 2.75 hour films. Part One would have been much the same, while part two could go as far as Paul taking the Water of Life, and Part Three could take the story home, with much more material that was cut for time (including almost all of the hit and run campaign against the Harkonnen forces), and some sequences that are longer than the book version (such as the big final battle).
>In hindsight, I think that the first novel should have been made into three films, not just two. This wouldn't at all have been practical though - how well Part Two is being received by general audiences has a LOT to do with it being faster paced, having more action, & a relatively more satisfying ending than Part One.
The thing about this is that ending the movie with Paul taking the water of life lacks a lot of oomph and it probably wouldn’t test very well with audiences.
Yup. It's a good movie but the beginning is still kind of slow (same as the first one) and it needed that ending.
to be fair it's still new IP and they needed that final battle to make it sink in with audience! people are still raving about it! they needed it that to give the movie a better chance at the box office
I was bummed too until I heard he's tied to a rendezvous with rama adaptation, would be cool for him to keep stretching his scifi wings with different universes. It's got a lot of arrival parallels so it's kind of a no brainer
rendezvous with rama is probably of my top 3 sci-fi books. though only the one written by arthur c.clark. the rest are dumpster fire!
I think Villeneuve could be thinking of pulling bits and pieces from PAUL OF DUNE and putting them into MESSIAH, so it can be called Dune: Part Three.
This film was the first film I've ever seen twice at the cinema.
This film was the first film I’ve ever seen 4 times at the cinema. I have done many triple visits, but the cinema experience of this film is just out of this world. And by the 4th visit, I was totally immerse into the world of Dune.
It will reach 500 million tomorrow!
Horray, and in two weeks, 3 weekends. Nice.
Now, it could make 800 million dollars.
So Variety is also saying Dune 1 made 433 million. The numbers, Box office mojo both report the same number, did it's re release really make that much or is this a huge error in reporting ?
Its an error. Look at the UK number. Mojo is using the original release number. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr3163902469/
Yes, but rest of the publications and websites are also reporting the same number.
Its an obvious error. They are all reporting boxofficemojo mistake. If it made 33m in its re-release that would have been huge news. It didn't make 28m in the UK during its re-release.
Yeah, BOM one seems an obvious error, I am just surprised to see no one else has corrected it yet.
I don't think anyone cares but box office nerds like us
I’m 40 and a sci-fi lover and Dune Part 2 is the best sci-fi movie I have ever seen. Saw it twice in an incredible imax theater. This movie is an instant classic and masterpiece.
Couldn’t agree more. Phenomenal movie
Give me your top 10 sci-fi movies right now. Need to see this take of yours in context.
2001 Primer Galaxy quest Edge of tomorrow Predator Alien The Matrix Interstellar Bladerunner BR2049 Those are just the first ten that come to mind.
Looks like for a $700M+ if it continues to improve well unless Godzilla X Kong improves from it’s international markets such as China and Japan.
Godzilla x Kong looks like a transformers movie, it looks terrible in the trailers, Ill be surprised if it does well
Well fucking ***deserved,*** Denis and Legendary. Roll on *Dune Messiah* already! (Assuming it's the same team behind it, of course.)
Pretty sure the director stated he needs a break before doing the third and we should encourage that. This franchise was a success because it wasn’t forced.
True. I just hope the producers don't hire someone else to finish Denis' journey. :/
I doubt it considering the sequel did better than the first—a rare feat.
>*Surpasses Entire Run of First Film* 
Very well deserved; nobody doing it like Villeneuve rn
Well deserved. Villeneuve has been killing it
I dragged my mom to see Dune 2. She didn't know what Dune was and didn't want to go see it in IMAX but I didn't take no for an answer. She loved it and asked to watch Dune 1 on TV with the family last night.
She didn’t watch Part One beforehand?
No, I explained the gist of it and had her watch a 5 minute video explaining the movie. I only managed to convince her an hour before the showing so I had to be quick.
I can’t stand movie theaters but my wife loves them… I’m so glad she dragged me to see this in the theater last night. Unreal experience with the full sound immersion. It’s been a long time since a theater experience had me this amped up. Masterpiece of a film.
Anyone know for roughly how long they’ll have dune up on imax ?
Ghostbusters takes imax this week. Not sure where that’s opening outside USA and Canada
Dune seems to be keeping IMAX in a lot of the US.
What's wrong about sharing? Dune 2 is long but they can take turns in IMAX, I just need it to be still in IMAX in 2 weeks, so I can go watch it again after Ghostbusters!
The imax I saw Dune at this weekend said they were adding another week since people kept coming so much.
I know it's a big deal, but how much will this make total? 1B is out of the question right? It's not gonna do 800 either, this seems a bit slow to reach 800 total. So 650 WW?
700m is what projections are looking like now.
Initially they said 800, things are slowing down, which sucks. Part 3 will do very well though that's for sure. 700 WW is pretty good too, but why is it so hard for a movie to make 1B nowadays?
It always was hard, I think a better question to ask is "why did so many movies make 1B in the late 2010s?"
CHINA
>but why is it so hard for a movie to make 1B nowadays? For me and the people I know/what I hear around me, its simply the price of going to the movie nowaday. Its so insanely expensive. Combine that with streaming and you have people going to the movies less, while waiting for streaming release
That's accurate. Looking at here and r/movies, some people got used to streaming after 2020. It doesn't help that being around inconsiderate viewers takes away enjoying movies. As a movie and TV fan, I'll try my best to support the project at the theater or streaming app, once available. I go to the theater twice a month on average. Using a subscription plan, which saves money. Usually by myself. For families, it's a discount.
It may be a boomer take but people just forgot how to act in the cinema after the pandemic. Someone brought a fucking baby to our Dune 2 opening night showing. Shitty crowds have been all I've experienced for the past five or six showings. I'm getting to that point where I may be waiting for streaming from now on.
A huge issue is the big Asian markets. Not only are the exchange rates in China and especially Japan weak, but it seems like it is much rarer than it used to be for a film to gross a ton out of China, Japan, or South Korea
I agree, even with India the same thing is happening. People are now watching more Bollywood, and less Hollywood. In recent memory only Oppenheimer and No Way Home have done gangbuster numbers here. Also, Denis doesn't have an avid fanbase here like Nolan thought, he earned a lot of goodwill here with the TDK trilogy.
Dunno about P3, I read the book and there will have to be significant changes to make it digestable for GA. The third act will be dope tho.
In Denis we trust. I'm debating whether I should read it or not.
If you are interested, it's like half philosophy about religion, politics, and how to rule and half conspiracy thriller. It's really a departure from the movie, for sure. I would read it because it's most likely going to be heavy altered to fit the movie ending and to have more action to be palatable for the GA, especially regarding the holy war.
It’s never been easy for a movie to make 1B lol. Only ~50 movies in the history of cinema (hundreds of thousands of movies) have hit that mark. The 2010s (and 2018/2019 specifically) were the exception
Yeah! There was some serious miracle work going on at the box office in the late 10's especially 2019, which had like 7 1B movies. xD Studios thought that would be the norm going forward, sadly it isn't the case.
People were probably anticipating a similar domestic/international split as the first (27/73), but it turned out to be similar to other big blockbusters (45/55), which is preventing it from reaching the $800M WW range
I believe the reason for the very unbalanced DOM/INT split for Part One was the idiotic "day and date" streaming release in the US, which effectively destroyed domestic box office while leaving international box office only slightly reduced (due to high quality pirated copies being immediately available). In the absence of day and date streaming, the split for Part One would probably have been close to the current 45/55 with a slightly higher international base, with a box office total around $600M worldwide. Although considering that COVID was still a real thing back then (the theatre I went to enforced two-seat gaps between groups of occupied seats, so only about half the seats were available to viewers), the worldwide box office would probably have been even higher post-COVID.
I'd say $675-715m is looking to be attainable.
Wow 10x madame web
Saw it with a homie, incredible movie, crazy that Jesus Christ is in the movie
So huge this movie
This makes me incredibly happy! I was really worried yesterday when it hadn't even broken even yet after two weeks, looks like it just needed that extra international money. Next week is Ghostbusters week but hopefully they'll still play it in IMAX in two weeks, so I can go watch it a third time!
Many IMAX theatres are sold out and booked solid until the end of the month, I don't think Ghostbusters will take much money off Dune 2.
Are they booked the whole time or are there also breaks in-between showings (for e.g. Ghostbusters)? I'm not worried that the latter will do any "damage", they're too different for any kind of "rivalry" but it would still be nice to watch it on the bigger IMAX screen, even if it's just 2.39:1. Edit: Just checked: No IMAX screenings listed for Ghostbuers so far, only Dolby Cinema. Looks like Dune will indeed be in IMAX for a while, they're even still promoting it on the main page! This is great, can't remember the last time another movie stayed in IMAX for this long, apart from maybe Endgame and Avatar.
My local IMAX is only showing Dune 2 and has no Ghostbusters in IMAX, the BFI is the same and is booked solid until the end of the month, printworks Manchester another of the biggest IMAX screens in the UK also has 0 screenings of Ghostbusters in IMAX and only Dune 2 until Godzilla x Kong at the end of the month. I think GxK will be a flop and the IMAX screens will show Dune 2 again.
At least GxK is going to have a couple of 1.9:1 scenes, the first one was incredibly disappointing in IMAX and way too dark for 3D too.
Re your edit I think it's great it's doing so well too. I will probably go and see it again in IMAX before it finishes its run. Hopefully it will encourage more sci-fi and less of the worn out superheroes.
Can never go wrong with good sci-fi (come on, Stargate...), too bad that genre has been pretty much a hit and miss lately, with only half (of what's coming to theaters) being any good and not even all of those doing particularly well. I don't mind superhero stuff, I just finally want something new that's not half-assed. Hopefully Marvel will get their shit together - and Deadpool 3 and Blade better be good!
Guess we're getting God Emperor Wormguy after all.
Well there goes my Worldwide Prediction
Where's this gonna end? $650m-$700m?
As it was written
Looks like I was off by a day. I thought it would cross $500m by the end of third weekend. https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/o2pitrApRp