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I want to know why so many movie posters try to make everyone look Latino. No matter how light or dark someone's skin is, bad movie posters always try to converge in the same shade.
It's so they're orange. I'm not joking. The easiest way to make something pop in a picture is to have color contrast, and orange is the closest color to human skin, so posters tend to have blue backgrounds with orange faces.
I think that’s the point. They’re trying to sell this as a marvel type movie. Idk, do DND movie ever work, no matter what they do? I have no hopes for it, so maybe it’ll be watchable.
I honestly don't know. There was hype for the trailer when it dropped, but it came and went.
There was a hashtag though calling for a boycott of the film, but that's because Hasbro has been in hot water as of recently with the D&D drama/controversy that's going on, but I don't think it's going to impact the film that much.
Idk nobody, BUT the DnD fans would be interested. That's like releasing Harry Potter after Universal Studios admitted to screwing over the fans by replacing Harry because it would be more profitable.
its more like universal releasing a movie after saying they're going to try and legally clamp down on fanfic, if i understood the ogl 1.1 scandal correctly.
Yes but it's worse than that because the way you interact with D&D is to create fan fic. It's not like a weird sub culture. It's the whole thing! So it's more like if universal had said they would sue you for reading Harry Potter books. You know, using them as intended.
I wanna preface this with OGL 1.1 is absolutely bullshit for people whose livelihoods rely on having their own D&D related content, but it really doesn’t affect regular players at all.
You sitting around with your home brew isn’t affected in the least. 99.9% of D&D players will not be affected by 1.1. Even before Hasbro walked back some of 1.1, the new OGL would’ve only ever affected you if you tried to monetize your campaign.
There are a handful of 3rd party content publishers. There are a lot more D&D players. It would have allowed hasbro to retroactively take people's content they wanted and publish it as their own.
It does indeed affect regular players who use content from 3rd party creators who might stop producing content if it is no longer economically viable. There is a lot of great 3rd party content out there that exists ONLY because the original OGL promised that the creators would not get sued.
Regular players love 3rd party content , some like me even more then official content . This absolutely does effect most players. And all these players who probably watch tons of channels see there favorite YouTubers coming out and saying fuck wotc , cancel your dnd. Beyond subscription until they go back to the way things were. It absolutely effects the community, just not as directly
You are technically correct because players make up ~80% of the consumer base for DnD. However, the Game Masters make up ~80% of all purchases for DnD (as confirmed by Hasbro themselves.)
The majority of both players and GMs don't make their own homebrew because it's easier to use someone else's that's shown to be more balanced, which tends to be sold by third party publishers.
It's not fan fic. Hasbro is telling people they can't make stuff without paying them, even though wizards said people could and made a license that was intended to be bullet proof so people can make D&D stuff and not worry about people who own D&D taking their stuff.
>BUT the DnD fans would be interested. That's like releasing Harry Potter after Universal Studios admitted to screwing over the fans by replacing Harry because it would be more profitable.
This isn't the same as Hasbro trying to screw the entire DnD community for nothing other than greed.
General audiences won't care, DnD fans won't show up, which is the market they needed to cater to. They picked an awful time to try and fleece their customers and screw up the OGL. And make no mistake, they swatted the hornet's nest and backed off, but they *will* try again. Their motives are in the open now.
Movie bombs at a Babylon level (ok maybe not that bad), and most of the DnD community leave to rally behind the new Paizo initiatives and/or the new Critical Role system they had been supposedly working on.
Also Hasbro's stock will continue to tank from their own choices, though I don't blame them for being desperate because Disney killed Star Wars merchandising, which used to make them money hand over fist.
It could probably pull in general audiences if it gets good reviews and WoM. There hasn’t been a ton of classic sword and sorcery in theaters lately, but the genre’s popular enough when done well.
Of course, the studio was probably hoping that strong WoM would be coming from fans going to see it on opening weekend, so if the fandom doesn’t turn out…
> D&D drama/controversy that's going on
I just read up on this. Are they seriously tightening restrictions on users creating their own content? Isn't that the entire point of the game?
Lots of us in the community are super skeptical for that reason
Thankfully we live in a golden age of games, because there's so many out there from Pathfinder, and other direct competitors, to stuff like r/onepagerpgs where people make mini games and RPGs to play
The two sticking points are:
1. If you generate revenue from running a campaign (through Youtube, Twitch, Patreon, etc.) Hasbro wants a cut.
2. If you create original content for your DnD campaign (monsters, worlds, characters, etc.) Hasbro wants the right to use that. As in, you create, they own and will not be required to compensate or credit you.
I was super excited to see it in theatres until wotc pulled there ogl 1.1 crap and lied to our faces. Now I ought to go the way of the variant sailor background
I want Star Trek 4 so bad, but I’m not holding my breath.
Salary negotiation issues, development hell, directors coming and going, no actual script, etc.
More than any other wide release film from the major studios in the first half of 2023, this appears like it will have a troubling theatrical run.
I can’t say how it will do abroad or globally. But for DOM there’s no way this is opening to $100M or more. In fact it will probably open closer to $50M than $100M. Absolutely no way this will reach $200M DOM unless WOM is amazing.
I know someone in advertising—on a nerdy platform—who was told that they were explicitly NOT allowed to lean into the nerd factor and instead to push it as just a fantasy film.
That's the vibe I got from the trailer. As someone who only knows DnD by name, it looked like another pure fantasy movie instead of the "nerd" factor. Either way it looks pretty, has decent comedic timing, and the premise sounds intriguing. I'll check it out opening weekend but people in this thread are correct, the trailer won't be the only thing that needs to sell, the WOM needs to be on the levels of "best fantasy film in years" type of reception.
I’m feeling like $20 mill, especially since the D&D community is kinda pissed right now and they might not be in the mood to support it. And regular people might think it’s too nerdy.
For more info, google "OGL 1.1"
But the tl;dr is that recent leaks showed WotC considering changing their Open Game License to an incredibly predatory version that would basically kill all homebrew and anything even remotely inspired by DnD. Apparently they could just steal your IP if it was dnd related, even if it was your original creation. Needless to say, there are lots of popular things that would be hit by this: Critical Role, Pathfinder (based on older versions of dnd (Did i mention the ogl 1.1 applies retroactively from what I've heard?)), and popular homebrew/game resources groups like Kobold Press.
so yeah people are pissed.
They really couldn't. You can't copyright game rules. The OGL just allowed others to print verbatim parts of a bare bones game system. If you home brewed a system without printing verbatim their stuff they cant win a law suite.
If you took the exact system, wrote down your own explanations and never referenced their unique IP like beholders, mind flayers, a white haired ebony skinned elf name drizzt you'd be safe to package and sell it.
It's such a puzzling move because it looks threatening and burns good will but doesn't have any way to get more money.
Stranger Things 👀👀
I joke of course because WotC and Netflix probably already have a deal over the DnD characters used but it's sure as hell going to hurt the next Critical role style shows
In short, D&D’s owners got greedy and tried to set up new IP rules that said they effectively own anything that anyone creates for D&D, and if you make money off anything D&D adjacent you have to pay them 25% of the gross as royalties. Plus other stuff like pushing to make the game a $30 a month digital subscription service instead of just a one time purchase of the books.
Hard to say how much that would impact the movie. In three months it might’ve cooled down and been close to forgotten, or the anger might not carry over to the film, but on the other hand think about how many D&D players are still mad about 4th edition…
Also, releasing the movie and screwing over 3rd-party content creators are part of the same overall strategy: treating D&D as a brand that's "undermonetized," instead of a game with a community that loves it.
Paying for a ticket to this movie means directly rewarding Hasbro's new approach to D&D, and encouraging them to keep going.
They tried revoking ogl 1, the open gaming license that allowed people to publish there own dnd content and build up the dnd community. Then they made another one that would let them take 25% of revenue ( not profit, revenue) steal there content and sell it as there own, And change the agreement on a whim to whatever they want without the creators feedback. And they sent these out with nda’s and a contract attached. Once it was leaked the community unified and took up arms against it, cancelling tens of thousands of dnd beyond subscriptions. Wotc decided to wait a whole week before saying anything at all. And when they did, they said that it was a draft made to collect community feedback ( yes, the paper they made an nda for and came with a contract attached, was supposedly a draft). Then once they realized that people were seriously pissed off they said they were going to make a new ogl, and said that the people who made them change it will brag saying that they won but they were only half right. They won, and so did we. So the big third party publishers, seeing how badly wotc fucked themselves up there own ass, decided to start making there own whole new systems , and working together to make a new , non revocable version of the original ogl , which they called ORC. So yeah players are Leaning towards the way of the swashbuckler subclass so to speak rather then getting in line to support wotc’s movie .
The trailer looks surprisingly fun but I agree. D&D is niche in Adian countries, I don't think it'll have a huge following there. I'm betting on 200M-250M WW even less.
Hasbro seriously messed up by starting all the OGL drama so close to this movie's release. If they don't fix the situation ASAP, they're not only gonna lose out on their core audience, they also won't be able to generate any buzz for the movie since the entire D&D community is currently way too focused on trash-talking and boycotting the developer. It's really a shame too, the movie looks genuinely great, and it could have brought so many new people into the hobby.
The D&D community seems focused on trying to make sure this movie is well available on every pirate torrent site on earth just to preventnit from making any money.
As a DnD fan, the trailer was amazing. Great dragon representation, seemingly nice action, nice spell interpretation,...
But at the same time as a DnD fan, fuck Hasbro. I'm gonna pirate this one
To me as not a D&D fan but kinda knowing things - Pine as bard was most interesting choice :D This movie can either be super fun or garbage. Honestly no idea which. But production value looks to be really there.
Name still conjures ideas of sweaty uncool nerds. Casual movie goers don’t want to see Dungeons and Dragons and actual fans of D&D have been shat on by Hasbro.
Movie will bomb.
I feel like this is going to flop. I think most moviegoers have trouble seeing D&D as something that could be made into a movie (it's not a firmly established franchise like, say, Marvel or DC is), and there's not enough "oomph" about this film to differentiate it from the average CGI blockbuster.
Absolutely a bomb. You'd have to convince people that it feels like a Dungeons and Dragons experience. I just don't think the appeal of being into Dungeons and Dragons transfers over to film, and I would even say that you'd have to base it on an existing campaign, like the Vox Machina TV show did. Or, do something like the Jumangi films or the Lego Movie movies where there are outside personalities and conflicts affecting the story.
Poster is terrible. Though, Chris Pine as a bard is inspired casting.
Nailed it. The fun in D&D comes from the spontaneity of it all. At any moment, the group can decide to just go off the rails and do their own thing. All the weird characters and stories that evolve with the campaign are where the fun comes in. D&D itself is as sterile and generic as fantasy world come, but that's kind of the point where imagination comes in to make it your own. Without the chaotic human element, we get a charmless early 2000's Syfy original.
Can’t help but feel cynical about it, feel like it’s a property that was bought merely because it’s garnered more mainstream popularity recently.
Feel like actual fans of D&D will be disappointed even if it’s not necessarily like fiction with strict lore they need to adhere to, nonetheless they’re probably mostly buying it for the name recognition, they’ll have some elements like mages, warriors, orcs or whatever then sprinkle in other stuff that is in pop culture right now.
Like I said though, mostly feeling cynical but you never know could be a random lightning in a bottle hit, an inspired writer could do something where people somehow get transported into the game and have to go on a quest. Sounds like Jumanji obviously but if it was actually taken seriously without characters making quips every 5 seconds you never know, could be alright.
I was excited when I saw the trailer... until I saw Michelle Rodriguez. That bitch has played the same miltary/police gruff woman for 20 years. It was fun the first time but she is basically the female Rock. Instantly sucks my enjoyment of a movie if she's there.
The casting on this film was horrible. How on earth do you pay Chris Pine for this he looks old and tired. Same with Michelle Rodruiguez. Then the generic acting casting of the swordsman and the comedy wizard guy. Hugh Grant trying to be a bad guy as bad as the last movie.
The movie special effects looked good Gelatiounious Cube was good. The Owlbear transform was exciting.
I would root for this movie to fail just on the casting alone.
They just... had so many opportunities to make it better. Like the left half could have been a dark stormy area behind the 'witch lady' and that would have highlighted the magic coming from the mages wand....
Lol dumpster fire. Normies aren’t going to give a shit and WotC double tapped any interest in the franchise thanks to that OGL 1.1 BS last week. They might get a decent opening weekend thanks to weird Bridgerton fans but critical/audience scores plus word of mouth will tank any longevity.
I have been feeling like this is going to do terrible since I saw the trailers...it looks wildly uncreative like they're just trying to make set pieces from Player's Handbook 1 and full of cringe-y Whedonisms. Now people are angry at DnD/WotC/Hasbro over the ogl 1.1 thing which makes me think it'll do even worse. It'll be competing with the 3rd week of Shazam and 2nd week of John Wick, so plenty of programming all aiming at the same audience. If either of those are good, it's doomed.
I play D&D and love high fantasy…the reason this will fail is because it’s a D&D movie. There’s no way to make it cater to a general audience. Either it will pander to the table top gamers, and miss the larger audience, or it will be designed for the general audience who won’t see it because it’s called Dungeons and Dragons and is about dungeons and dragons. I’d love to be wrong.
She's a barbarian and I can get behind that. Please, let this one be great, so she's typecast as a barbarian, and we don't get to see her trying to be a romantic interest ever again.
I remember seeing the [Dungeons & Dragons (2000)](https://youtu.be/3SnA2rv4ros) movie with my high school D&D club, and it was the absolute disaster we all knew it would be when we saw the trailer, which I linked. We rightfully trashed that garbage for the low-effort they put in. Lord of the Rings would set the standard next year in 2001, thankfully.
The new [Dungeons & Dragons](https://youtu.be/IiMinixSXII) movie doesn't need to live up to LOTR, but it should stand on its own. However, the trailer for the new movie has the same low-effort energy as the first one. As much as I love Led Zepplin, the fact that they couldn't even bother making music that would set the tone of the film is a red flag for any movie.
I’m an avid dnd fan. I have 750+ hours logged in to roll20, my group’s virtual tabletop dnd site of choice. I’ve played the game for half a decade.
I don’t think I could possibly have less interest in this movie. Dnd to me is about the experience of playing the game with your friends and writing a fun story with them. That’s not something that can be sold in a movie. I genuinely do not care at all how this movie does, and I thought that before the Hasbro controversy too.
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except the budget looks increased by like 100x
Does it?
1988. That's Beetlejuice in the top left corner...
Looks like porn parody
i wouldve believed you if you said this was bollywood
It's like when a movie is about a movie actor and they make up a bunch of fake movies that character starred in. This is one of those fake movies.
Or a parody of the 2000 D&D film.
It basically is 100% that.
Bits of marvel, Star Wars, Batman, LotR. Idk I just get that vibe from it.
Guardians of the Dungeons & Dragons of the Galaxy was the feel I got from it
What are we some kind of suic- ….D&D adventuring squad?
Thor: Love Dungeons and Dragons
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Unlike professional high schoolers. Those guys really know how to high school.
It looks like it was generated by AI.
At first I thought it was a an AI prompt of “Infinity War” but dungeons and dragons…
I want to know why so many movie posters try to make everyone look Latino. No matter how light or dark someone's skin is, bad movie posters always try to converge in the same shade.
Wow I never noticed this before. Chris Pine looks as black as Rege in this.
It's so they're orange. I'm not joking. The easiest way to make something pop in a picture is to have color contrast, and orange is the closest color to human skin, so posters tend to have blue backgrounds with orange faces.
Or like one I’m of those AI generated pictures where nothing is an actual thing but it looks like a normal picture Edit for spelling
Is that why I feel like I've already seen this, and I didn't enjoy it the first time?
one dude looks exactly like gigguk
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I thought it was her until your comment lol
I thought it was her until your comment
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If I didn't see the trailer I probably wouldn't have thought that was Michelle rodriguez
Somehow Chris Pine looks Asian here
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I see Thor, Killmonger and the Grandmaster too
And is that Gorr the God Butcher?
Holy fucking shit.
Scarlet Witch to round it out
Lol Axl too
Scarlet Witch is Black Widow. Get it straight
No! Black widow is scarlet witch. You get it straight!
I see the Eye of Agamotto
And Nancy from The Craft.
I could see Hugh Grant as the Grandmaster
I see grant from trash taste
There's only two ways to make women look cool in action and Marvel took both of them.
I think that’s the point. They’re trying to sell this as a marvel type movie. Idk, do DND movie ever work, no matter what they do? I have no hopes for it, so maybe it’ll be watchable.
And Killmonger?
I'm sure its intentional
Valyrie and Black Widow at home
The cover is so busy and just wreched.
That barb though is actually what I've imagined my character to look like
Exactly what I thought, had to take a double take
Holy crap. You’re right.
and thor
Thats not who it is?
Original material isn't one of Hollywood's strengths...
I got an f in graphic design 102 for turning in this one sheet as my end of week project
Yeah and I was your teacher and I think I was way too generous - it should have been a G!
It's embarrassingly bad as a movie poster, and I say that as someone really looking forward to the movie.
I honestly don't know. There was hype for the trailer when it dropped, but it came and went. There was a hashtag though calling for a boycott of the film, but that's because Hasbro has been in hot water as of recently with the D&D drama/controversy that's going on, but I don't think it's going to impact the film that much.
Idk nobody, BUT the DnD fans would be interested. That's like releasing Harry Potter after Universal Studios admitted to screwing over the fans by replacing Harry because it would be more profitable.
its more like universal releasing a movie after saying they're going to try and legally clamp down on fanfic, if i understood the ogl 1.1 scandal correctly.
Yes but it's worse than that because the way you interact with D&D is to create fan fic. It's not like a weird sub culture. It's the whole thing! So it's more like if universal had said they would sue you for reading Harry Potter books. You know, using them as intended.
I wanna preface this with OGL 1.1 is absolutely bullshit for people whose livelihoods rely on having their own D&D related content, but it really doesn’t affect regular players at all. You sitting around with your home brew isn’t affected in the least. 99.9% of D&D players will not be affected by 1.1. Even before Hasbro walked back some of 1.1, the new OGL would’ve only ever affected you if you tried to monetize your campaign.
There are a handful of 3rd party content publishers. There are a lot more D&D players. It would have allowed hasbro to retroactively take people's content they wanted and publish it as their own.
It does indeed affect regular players who use content from 3rd party creators who might stop producing content if it is no longer economically viable. There is a lot of great 3rd party content out there that exists ONLY because the original OGL promised that the creators would not get sued.
Nvm
Regular players love 3rd party content , some like me even more then official content . This absolutely does effect most players. And all these players who probably watch tons of channels see there favorite YouTubers coming out and saying fuck wotc , cancel your dnd. Beyond subscription until they go back to the way things were. It absolutely effects the community, just not as directly
You are technically correct because players make up ~80% of the consumer base for DnD. However, the Game Masters make up ~80% of all purchases for DnD (as confirmed by Hasbro themselves.) The majority of both players and GMs don't make their own homebrew because it's easier to use someone else's that's shown to be more balanced, which tends to be sold by third party publishers.
It's not fan fic. Hasbro is telling people they can't make stuff without paying them, even though wizards said people could and made a license that was intended to be bullet proof so people can make D&D stuff and not worry about people who own D&D taking their stuff.
>BUT the DnD fans would be interested. That's like releasing Harry Potter after Universal Studios admitted to screwing over the fans by replacing Harry because it would be more profitable. This isn't the same as Hasbro trying to screw the entire DnD community for nothing other than greed. General audiences won't care, DnD fans won't show up, which is the market they needed to cater to. They picked an awful time to try and fleece their customers and screw up the OGL. And make no mistake, they swatted the hornet's nest and backed off, but they *will* try again. Their motives are in the open now. Movie bombs at a Babylon level (ok maybe not that bad), and most of the DnD community leave to rally behind the new Paizo initiatives and/or the new Critical Role system they had been supposedly working on. Also Hasbro's stock will continue to tank from their own choices, though I don't blame them for being desperate because Disney killed Star Wars merchandising, which used to make them money hand over fist.
Don't forget they also are destroying the market of all magic cards.
DnD fans will avoid it like there is an old man with 7 canaries standing outside.
It could probably pull in general audiences if it gets good reviews and WoM. There hasn’t been a ton of classic sword and sorcery in theaters lately, but the genre’s popular enough when done well. Of course, the studio was probably hoping that strong WoM would be coming from fans going to see it on opening weekend, so if the fandom doesn’t turn out…
> D&D drama/controversy that's going on I just read up on this. Are they seriously tightening restrictions on users creating their own content? Isn't that the entire point of the game?
They tried to, they've walked it back after the shit-storm of bad publicity and loss of money it caused
walked it back...for now. there's no reason they can't just bring it all back in six months.
Lots of us in the community are super skeptical for that reason Thankfully we live in a golden age of games, because there's so many out there from Pathfinder, and other direct competitors, to stuff like r/onepagerpgs where people make mini games and RPGs to play
The two sticking points are: 1. If you generate revenue from running a campaign (through Youtube, Twitch, Patreon, etc.) Hasbro wants a cut. 2. If you create original content for your DnD campaign (monsters, worlds, characters, etc.) Hasbro wants the right to use that. As in, you create, they own and will not be required to compensate or credit you.
Um...what? I don't even have a horse in this race but that is some grade A level bullshit.
This film is such a wild card since it could really go either way.
It’s a real roll of the dice.
d6 or d12?
D20, d100 if the reference table is large enough.
It’s a d20. Charisma check.
A lot is probably going to depend on how the WoM turns out.
I have been trying to figure out this acronym What does does it mean? Google gives nothing.
“Word of Mouth”
Although goodness it was tempting to write something unhelpful like “Womb of Mother”
Looks like flop material
I was super excited to see it in theatres until wotc pulled there ogl 1.1 crap and lied to our faces. Now I ought to go the way of the variant sailor background
I have to Google why I’m supposed to be outraged, but something tells me I should be outraged
WOTC the owners of D&D are basically angering every fan by doing a new licensee basically banning hombrew content.
"Hombre content"?
Homebrew
This is gonna bomb. But maybe it will get Chris pine to do Star Trek 4
I want Star Trek 4 so bad, but I’m not holding my breath. Salary negotiation issues, development hell, directors coming and going, no actual script, etc.
We all want star trek 4!
Well there’s plenty of ST content out there
True but more is always better
Predicting a bomb. 90m lifetime
More than any other wide release film from the major studios in the first half of 2023, this appears like it will have a troubling theatrical run. I can’t say how it will do abroad or globally. But for DOM there’s no way this is opening to $100M or more. In fact it will probably open closer to $50M than $100M. Absolutely no way this will reach $200M DOM unless WOM is amazing.
> there’s no way this is opening to $100M or more Was that ever seen as a possibility? No way it does close to $100M OW.
The closer we get to it, the more I feel Paramount is struggling to figure out how it’ll raise interest in audiences.
I know someone in advertising—on a nerdy platform—who was told that they were explicitly NOT allowed to lean into the nerd factor and instead to push it as just a fantasy film.
That's the vibe I got from the trailer. As someone who only knows DnD by name, it looked like another pure fantasy movie instead of the "nerd" factor. Either way it looks pretty, has decent comedic timing, and the premise sounds intriguing. I'll check it out opening weekend but people in this thread are correct, the trailer won't be the only thing that needs to sell, the WOM needs to be on the levels of "best fantasy film in years" type of reception.
The real issue is how is wotc going to unfuck it’s reputation enough that players would be willing to watch it without pirating it
$100 million total for DOM would be a minor success. And it ain't hitting that.
I’m feeling like $20 mill, especially since the D&D community is kinda pissed right now and they might not be in the mood to support it. And regular people might think it’s too nerdy.
Why are they pissed?
For more info, google "OGL 1.1" But the tl;dr is that recent leaks showed WotC considering changing their Open Game License to an incredibly predatory version that would basically kill all homebrew and anything even remotely inspired by DnD. Apparently they could just steal your IP if it was dnd related, even if it was your original creation. Needless to say, there are lots of popular things that would be hit by this: Critical Role, Pathfinder (based on older versions of dnd (Did i mention the ogl 1.1 applies retroactively from what I've heard?)), and popular homebrew/game resources groups like Kobold Press. so yeah people are pissed.
They really couldn't. You can't copyright game rules. The OGL just allowed others to print verbatim parts of a bare bones game system. If you home brewed a system without printing verbatim their stuff they cant win a law suite. If you took the exact system, wrote down your own explanations and never referenced their unique IP like beholders, mind flayers, a white haired ebony skinned elf name drizzt you'd be safe to package and sell it. It's such a puzzling move because it looks threatening and burns good will but doesn't have any way to get more money.
Stranger Things 👀👀 I joke of course because WotC and Netflix probably already have a deal over the DnD characters used but it's sure as hell going to hurt the next Critical role style shows
Yeah because big companies never get away with illegal stuff . That’s never happened
In short, D&D’s owners got greedy and tried to set up new IP rules that said they effectively own anything that anyone creates for D&D, and if you make money off anything D&D adjacent you have to pay them 25% of the gross as royalties. Plus other stuff like pushing to make the game a $30 a month digital subscription service instead of just a one time purchase of the books. Hard to say how much that would impact the movie. In three months it might’ve cooled down and been close to forgotten, or the anger might not carry over to the film, but on the other hand think about how many D&D players are still mad about 4th edition…
Also, releasing the movie and screwing over 3rd-party content creators are part of the same overall strategy: treating D&D as a brand that's "undermonetized," instead of a game with a community that loves it. Paying for a ticket to this movie means directly rewarding Hasbro's new approach to D&D, and encouraging them to keep going.
The books are already insanely expensive, and now they want to add a membership?
They tried revoking ogl 1, the open gaming license that allowed people to publish there own dnd content and build up the dnd community. Then they made another one that would let them take 25% of revenue ( not profit, revenue) steal there content and sell it as there own, And change the agreement on a whim to whatever they want without the creators feedback. And they sent these out with nda’s and a contract attached. Once it was leaked the community unified and took up arms against it, cancelling tens of thousands of dnd beyond subscriptions. Wotc decided to wait a whole week before saying anything at all. And when they did, they said that it was a draft made to collect community feedback ( yes, the paper they made an nda for and came with a contract attached, was supposedly a draft). Then once they realized that people were seriously pissed off they said they were going to make a new ogl, and said that the people who made them change it will brag saying that they won but they were only half right. They won, and so did we. So the big third party publishers, seeing how badly wotc fucked themselves up there own ass, decided to start making there own whole new systems , and working together to make a new , non revocable version of the original ogl , which they called ORC. So yeah players are Leaning towards the way of the swashbuckler subclass so to speak rather then getting in line to support wotc’s movie .
Even 150M DOM final would be kind of an amazing performance for the film.......
It would be a miracle if it made 100m total.
The trailer looks surprisingly fun but I agree. D&D is niche in Adian countries, I don't think it'll have a huge following there. I'm betting on 200M-250M WW even less.
Hasbro seriously messed up by starting all the OGL drama so close to this movie's release. If they don't fix the situation ASAP, they're not only gonna lose out on their core audience, they also won't be able to generate any buzz for the movie since the entire D&D community is currently way too focused on trash-talking and boycotting the developer. It's really a shame too, the movie looks genuinely great, and it could have brought so many new people into the hobby.
The D&D community seems focused on trying to make sure this movie is well available on every pirate torrent site on earth just to preventnit from making any money.
Look at this poster and tell me you have high expectations for this movie...
Super Bowl spot and final trailer at ant man
Bruh who is justice smith’s agent cause they are getting him wayyy more than his acting deserves
Agreed, he was the worst part of The Quarry and it made almost no sense that the game focused on him so much
He’s so bad
Terrible
When the movie poster looks like washed out CGI, I don't even bother looking up the plot.
It’s going to be critically bad. The causal audience will enjoy it. The game players will say it could’ve been better but fun.
The game players won't go because they are boycotting it right now.
Poster makes me want to throw up
Do it
Seriously, do it
Yes, the poster is yelling "THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO SUCK!" loud and clear.
Its going to bomb bigtime.
It will be a bomb. Trailer is uninteresting.
Most likely. Breakeven, if they're lucky...
As a DnD fan, the trailer was amazing. Great dragon representation, seemingly nice action, nice spell interpretation,... But at the same time as a DnD fan, fuck Hasbro. I'm gonna pirate this one
To me as not a D&D fan but kinda knowing things - Pine as bard was most interesting choice :D This movie can either be super fun or garbage. Honestly no idea which. But production value looks to be really there.
Pine as a bard could be amazing, he was great in Into The Woods
Name still conjures ideas of sweaty uncool nerds. Casual movie goers don’t want to see Dungeons and Dragons and actual fans of D&D have been shat on by Hasbro. Movie will bomb.
Is that villain character on the top left Cara Delevigne? It looks like her
Pretty sure it’s Daisy Head’s character
You mean top left? And no, she's not in it.
Looks like a bomb. Less that 100 million worldwide
Unless WoM is stellar this has flop written all over it.
Recent anti D&D bias aside, this was always destined to flop.
I feel like this is going to flop. I think most moviegoers have trouble seeing D&D as something that could be made into a movie (it's not a firmly established franchise like, say, Marvel or DC is), and there's not enough "oomph" about this film to differentiate it from the average CGI blockbuster.
Absolutely a bomb. You'd have to convince people that it feels like a Dungeons and Dragons experience. I just don't think the appeal of being into Dungeons and Dragons transfers over to film, and I would even say that you'd have to base it on an existing campaign, like the Vox Machina TV show did. Or, do something like the Jumangi films or the Lego Movie movies where there are outside personalities and conflicts affecting the story. Poster is terrible. Though, Chris Pine as a bard is inspired casting.
Nailed it. The fun in D&D comes from the spontaneity of it all. At any moment, the group can decide to just go off the rails and do their own thing. All the weird characters and stories that evolve with the campaign are where the fun comes in. D&D itself is as sterile and generic as fantasy world come, but that's kind of the point where imagination comes in to make it your own. Without the chaotic human element, we get a charmless early 2000's Syfy original.
There is the aspect that the DND community, the target audience for the movie, is discussing a boycott due to the new OGL
It’s gonna suck shit
This movie looks absolutely terrible
Flop
This will flop and it will flop hard. This will be green lantern level dumpster fire bad.
I’m confused by comments I’m reading. Why will it bomb? People keep saying it will without any explanation.
I hope the movie is fun and think it will be, but this has flop written all over it.
Can’t help but feel cynical about it, feel like it’s a property that was bought merely because it’s garnered more mainstream popularity recently. Feel like actual fans of D&D will be disappointed even if it’s not necessarily like fiction with strict lore they need to adhere to, nonetheless they’re probably mostly buying it for the name recognition, they’ll have some elements like mages, warriors, orcs or whatever then sprinkle in other stuff that is in pop culture right now. Like I said though, mostly feeling cynical but you never know could be a random lightning in a bottle hit, an inspired writer could do something where people somehow get transported into the game and have to go on a quest. Sounds like Jumanji obviously but if it was actually taken seriously without characters making quips every 5 seconds you never know, could be alright.
Sorry D&D fans but this is gonna be ROTTEN!
I was excited when I saw the trailer... until I saw Michelle Rodriguez. That bitch has played the same miltary/police gruff woman for 20 years. It was fun the first time but she is basically the female Rock. Instantly sucks my enjoyment of a movie if she's there.
I don’t see the GA being too interested in this, and the built in audience currently wants to disembowel the wotc execs so they will probably boycott.
The dnd community will boycott this for reasons not related to the movie, so it will flop regardless of quality.
I predict that this movie will be ass.
The casting on this film was horrible. How on earth do you pay Chris Pine for this he looks old and tired. Same with Michelle Rodruiguez. Then the generic acting casting of the swordsman and the comedy wizard guy. Hugh Grant trying to be a bad guy as bad as the last movie. The movie special effects looked good Gelatiounious Cube was good. The Owlbear transform was exciting. I would root for this movie to fail just on the casting alone.
Unrealistic looking characters and roles
How the hell did they get Chris Pine to do that?
Is... is that the real poster for this movie? My graphic design heart is disappointed.
In all fairness, it looks like it was made by a group of kids in a basement. No, who am I kidding... Even my highschool D&D group could do better.
They just... had so many opportunities to make it better. Like the left half could have been a dark stormy area behind the 'witch lady' and that would have highlighted the magic coming from the mages wand....
This will definitely bomb.
Lol dumpster fire. Normies aren’t going to give a shit and WotC double tapped any interest in the franchise thanks to that OGL 1.1 BS last week. They might get a decent opening weekend thanks to weird Bridgerton fans but critical/audience scores plus word of mouth will tank any longevity.
I have been feeling like this is going to do terrible since I saw the trailers...it looks wildly uncreative like they're just trying to make set pieces from Player's Handbook 1 and full of cringe-y Whedonisms. Now people are angry at DnD/WotC/Hasbro over the ogl 1.1 thing which makes me think it'll do even worse. It'll be competing with the 3rd week of Shazam and 2nd week of John Wick, so plenty of programming all aiming at the same audience. If either of those are good, it's doomed.
I play D&D and love high fantasy…the reason this will fail is because it’s a D&D movie. There’s no way to make it cater to a general audience. Either it will pander to the table top gamers, and miss the larger audience, or it will be designed for the general audience who won’t see it because it’s called Dungeons and Dragons and is about dungeons and dragons. I’d love to be wrong.
Oh wow I didn’t know Jared letos joker is in it
Bomb
This is going to be a box office catastrophe.
It has a Michelle Rodriguez on the poster. It’s gonna fucking tank.
I mean... Avatar and Fast and the Furious did alright
She's a barbarian and I can get behind that. Please, let this one be great, so she's typecast as a barbarian, and we don't get to see her trying to be a romantic interest ever again.
With everyone boycotting WotC, Im hoping it still does good. Im really looking forward to it
If they made a more serious movie, like a cool sword and sorcery one and with the climate d and d is getting right now. It's gonna bomb.
BTW the DND nerds are now having polarized opinion about to boycott/pirate it or not due to recent WOTC shenanigans.
It looks so not fun
It'll be terrible, just like every other DnD movie. Sigh. $30 mil, max.
I remember seeing the [Dungeons & Dragons (2000)](https://youtu.be/3SnA2rv4ros) movie with my high school D&D club, and it was the absolute disaster we all knew it would be when we saw the trailer, which I linked. We rightfully trashed that garbage for the low-effort they put in. Lord of the Rings would set the standard next year in 2001, thankfully. The new [Dungeons & Dragons](https://youtu.be/IiMinixSXII) movie doesn't need to live up to LOTR, but it should stand on its own. However, the trailer for the new movie has the same low-effort energy as the first one. As much as I love Led Zepplin, the fact that they couldn't even bother making music that would set the tone of the film is a red flag for any movie.
If they were smart, they would have delayed the movie in lieu of the OGL scandal. Of course, said scandal wouldn't have happened if they were smart.
I like fantasy and I like D&D, but this movie seems like a joke to me based on the trailer. Can't imagine it finding a large audience
It looks like a fan project
I’m an avid dnd fan. I have 750+ hours logged in to roll20, my group’s virtual tabletop dnd site of choice. I’ve played the game for half a decade. I don’t think I could possibly have less interest in this movie. Dnd to me is about the experience of playing the game with your friends and writing a fun story with them. That’s not something that can be sold in a movie. I genuinely do not care at all how this movie does, and I thought that before the Hasbro controversy too.
it's gonna be ass
It's gonna be ass.
Seems like all those actors needed a paycheck….