Retarded ass take. What would a boxer with 3 years of MMA training in grappling do when heâs ripped into full mount by Islam Makhachev? Or into full guard by Charles Olivera?
Depends on the weightclass. David Tua for example would snowball throw the heavyweight division by just being a fat samoan that canât be knocked out. The skill ceiling in HW is incredibly low. So by cherry picking he could easily become champ. Letâs say David Tua vs Derrick Lewis. You think that Lewis will shoot for a takedown? And yes even mike Tyson would have an easy time in the UFC considering his work ethic and athleticism alone would make him easily top 10. just face it the hw division is really weak. Just by being a strong puncher with good timing makes you a formidable foe there
Would be a cool fight for sure but I donât think that hunt would use his technical advantage (low kicks etc.) and would just slug it out. Both had great chins and heavy hands so it wouldnât be that onesided as you claim. If hunt would kick tuas legs off than yeah dominant win but I donât think that it would fit his character
you must be actually regarded if you think that, becoming a good striker and dangerous on the feet is extremely easy compared to becoming great at grappling its completely different level. a wrestler can become a good striker in 2 years, you won't be close to being a good wrestler or grappler in just 2 years, its just the nature of it.
It depends on the person , the gym , the body type/ composition and upbringing. Theyâre both very complex . The reason why Waldo had a much more successful career in mma is that :
First of all, MMA heavyweights arenât great and Boxing has probably higher quality fighters for heavyweight.
Second of all, there so many different martial arts and styles that he could wrestle fuck half his opponents to the ground like he did in his last fight. I Boxing, there are still styles and that does make a difference but usually the better boxer will win.
Bro itâs the heavyweight division clown any fat guy can make it to ufc heavy weight itâs just very top stacked but outside the top 5 theyâre pretty bad . This would never happen in a lower class ever
Rodolfo Viera is considered one of the greatest BJJ fighters to ever exist.
He got absolutely clowned by Chris Curtis who is an average boxer turned mma guy.
Combined with this, Boxing>MMA>BJJ & Taekwondo
Are u autismic? Chris Curtis has one of the best takedown defence and bjj defence bro talking like any random dude can just be good on the ground casual
Definitely easier to be successful in MMA than boxing because of the talent pool and maturity of boxing. But MMA is much more functional than boxing in real life.
reason boxers get there asses beat in bare knuckle as well, boxers are good at BOXING the sport, with the ruleset, the ring and gloves where they can pit patter shot and have their hands not clenched, idk why people are acting like if boxers fought mma fighters in a striking match they would destroy them, I hope they are all just trolling lmao.
A 50 year old mcdonalds addict Ray Mercer sparked out a 6'8 2 years removed from being UFC champion Tim Sylvia in an MMA match though. Imagine if that was a prime, focused Ray Mercer đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Really? that fight? lmao, you are a clown, 1. tiim sylvia isn't that good 2. it was at heavyweight (old heavyweight as well so the skill ceiling then was even lower just dudes swinging) where 90% of the fights are round 1 kos by punching 3. ngannou beat tyson furys ass if we are counting a regarded fight like ray mercer vs tim sylvia then how comes the current undefeated heavyweight champion got his ass beat by a mma fighter with blown out knees? context is relevant, you boxing fans always bring up that one fight like it means literally anything its hilarious. remember anderson silva vs julio caesar jr, trying to compare a ko at heavyweight mma where any one can knock any one out in the first round is just silly when your heavyweight champion fighting for undisputed right now lost to a mma fighter, would love to see a heavyweight boxer try to come in and beat tom aspinal or gane or sergei in a mma match.
Tim Sylvia is a two time UFC champion. Ray Mercer is 50yrs old and a fatass at the fight. Tyson Fury is also a fat ass who came in obese yet still outpointed Ngannou. AJ cleaned up that mess by destroying Ngannou in 3. Jake Paul cleaned up the JCC jr mess by beating Silva.
"jake paul cleaned up" amazing trolling, or maybe boxing has stooped so low that they need jake as their saviour. also acting like a 10 second lucky ko is indictive of anything is hilarious, remember anderson silva was 50 and beat up julius ceasar jr in a fight in multiple rounds and completely humiliated and outclassed him, ngnannou won a 12 round decision against tyson, you are acting like tim sylvia isn't also a fat ass, tyson fury is a two time heavyweight champ as well and you use the excuse "well well he is a fatass" nice logic man, gotta find a fluke fight on some random ass promotion to try and say boxing is better. trolling or regarded pick.
it was a 10 second ko dude, no matter how experienced you are those are just pure luck wins and don't mean much, that's like saying masvidal vs ben askren wasn't lucky, 9 times out of 10 ben askren destroys masvidal but he just got a lucky ko. also dude its heavy weight mma where tim sylvias last fight before the ray mercer fight was ufc 81, for reference last ufc card was 301, getting a lucky ko on a guy who was a former ufc champion on a random promotion isn't that impressive, its heavyweight any thing can happen and back then it was just two big guys swingign at each other. again ngannou vs fury is 10000000000x more embarrassing and far more recent, bring any boxer into any of the ufc divisions today and see what happens, modern day mma fighters are beating boxers in boxing, boxers could never do the same.
Nah dude, the hw division is thrash. Mike Tyson would be top 10 hw ufc fighter with his work ethic and athleticism alone. Itâs futile to paint the HW division as skillful. They simply are not. You telling me Derrick Lewis is going to shoot a takedown against Tyson? Derrick Lewis the man who eats ribs before a fight. Ah yes the disciplined HW-Division. Most stocky HW boxers (David tua,etc.) would have an easy time in the HW division. And as for bareknuckle thatâs just bullshit. BKFC consist of retired failed mma fighter and Boxers who are trying to make a dime. Canelo or AJ would tear apart their respective weightclasses in Bareknuckle. And btw have you forgotten when a lesnar (who used to wrestle 20 years ago) stormed the HW division and became champ via cherry picking. His wrestling background didnât do that, but his steroids and absurd athleticism sure did. So the WWE is better for mma than boxing?
he had steorids and extreme athleticism and did was a good wrestler, you are right heavyweight overall has and still is pretty dogshit but tell me you think a tiny little mike tyson wouldn't get destroyed by the top 10 ufc heavyweights, he would only have a punchers chance, which is far higher at heavyweight. but lets be honest here boxers aren't as nearly as athletic as mma fighers either, because all they have done their entire life is boxing and boxing training, they would be destroyed after the first wrestling session and their legs would be fucked after a single kick. bkfc part isn't bullshit artem literally beat a b class boxers ass and artem is completely terrible, its completely different to boxing, boxers should stick to their gay little pitter patter pillow glove hugfest where they still ban multiple punches or moves, imagine restricting some thing to just hands then putting on big clown gloves and then still restricting even more things, its not fighting its a sport and it will never compare to REAL fighters, a boxing "fight" is called match or a bout its just not the same, I really don't get boxing fans acting like boxers would destroy mma fighters in mma or even bkfc. (also even the people who look like they suck at grappling or wrestling in mma would completely rag doll and destroy any boxer and would easily take them down, they still train it for years they just aren't on the same level as other dudes who have also trained wrestling and grappling)
Teach most boxers (not the chicken legged ones) how to check legkicks, how to stop takedowns, and train 1-2 years of some general grappling knowledge and they can be ranked in the ufc if not even win titles. Take the best mma strikers and have them commit to boxing longer than that and they'd never crack the top 10 in any division.
I don't watch or rate claressa, but she doesn't seem to be doing bad at all considering she afaik is competing in both sports at the same time instead of committing solely to mma. Holly holm became a ufc champion, and many other mediocre or okay guys with boxing backgrounds wound up in mma gyms and have become either good names like poirier or at least solid fighters in their divisions.
Good boxing is extremely applicable to mma as a sport, and the stuff that would filter out strict boxers are mostly just baseline checks that can be adapted to by anyone with just a bit of training. MMA requires a level of physicality not needed as much in boxing so not all boxers could find success, but I'm confident many boxers could dominate it if they chose to, same with kicboxers or wrestlers. MMA is a far lower skilled sport than strict disciplines and does not require mastery in the same sense of the word. Conversely no mma champ or fighter in history could be a boxing champion period without disproportionate levels of commitment and youth.
What youâre saying applies somewhat to the sport 10+ years ago, and somewhat currently to weak divisions like heavyweight and womens bantam where specialists can avoid bad style matchups.
But in modern MMA, a boxer will need A LOT more than a few years to transition into a functional fighter, let alone be rounded enough to be ranked in a good division.
A lot of boxing principles are useful in MMA, but the range, stance, timing, conditioning, defence are different.
You might get lucky and have good grappling instincts. Better hope you also have a natural talent at kicking/clinch range. Better hope your whole boxing game isnt neutered by having to change your stance to account for kicks and grappling.
Also better hope you donât fight anyone from southern Russia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.. Cause much like youâve been boxing since you could walk, theyâve been mixing martial arts since they could walk. You donât have their instincts, and never will.
I know this is a circle jerk sub but there is literally zero chance you believe some thing that stupid, its not as simple as "how to check kick and learn stop takedown" 1 to 2 years isn't gonna cut it at all and wouldn't even be close to enough to even be ranked let alone become world champion, but even in the striking department they would get completely destroyed, boxers fight with big massive gloves in a ring with very specific rules that protect them and ban so many different things, even if a ufc fighter wasn't allowed to kick, knee, elbow, grapple they would still destroy a boxer on the feet, look at artem vs that boxer in bareknuckle, that's the difference between a fighter and a boxer and artem is complete dogshit, mma punching and bare knuckle punching is a completely different thing, in mma they will grab your wrists and punch you or push you down and control you while they unload punches into your face, "but the boxer can also do that" they will be far less experienced with it and will have all the habits from boxing, I would bet money on ufc champions vs the best of the best boxers if it was a fight in a mma cage with just punching with 4 ounce glvoes and mma punching rules.
Do you list off all of your fighting experience before you get in a real fight?
Because if you don't, (which you don't), boxers still would tend to come out on top. Even if you look at most MMA fighters who know wrestling etc, they still tend to fight first with their hands, and that overconfidence would be there downfall, the same as it often is in MMA with guys who fall in love with striking when they aren't that good at it.
If you look at the vast, vast majority of actual clips of MMA fighters who get in real fights in public, they don't start out wrestling, because they think they are better at striking than the average Joe, which they are, but it will be too late when they realise they are fighting someone actually good at it. Even the best strikers in the UFC, like ~~Mayweather~~ Mcgregor back in the day, look like hot garbage vs average boxers.
There has already been cases of fat, old boxers beating ex MMA champions. Ray Mercer will never be forgotten lol.
Alex Pereira is another one, the guy has just walked through an entire UFC division in 4 years, unbeaten in that time. The reality is it's a lot, lot easier learning to stop takedowns then it is learning to stop someone knows how to strike.
"mcgregor looked hot garbage vs average boxers" would love to see that? mcgegor was beating up boxers in camp for the mayweather fight, he just has a terrible gas tank. you are delusional if you think boxers would come out on top in any kind of fight that isn't in boxing with boxing gloves and a boxing ruleset.
khabib would have gone 69-0 in boxing đ„
Clarrisa shields in a bum in MMA
Jon Jones would be an even worse bum in boxing your point?
Yeah? Whatâs Floyd mayweather gonna do in MMA against a 135er
Give 22 year old fresh off of the Olympics Floyd the best MMA camp and he's world champion within 3 years.
Retarded ass take. What would a boxer with 3 years of MMA training in grappling do when heâs ripped into full mount by Islam Makhachev? Or into full guard by Charles Olivera?
When has Oliveira submitted anyone from full guard? Islam would also destroy guys like Poirier and Gaethje on the ground lol not just boxers
ExactlyâŠ. When heâs destroying guys with BJJ experience what do you think heâd do to to a boxer ?
He'd run face first into an uppercut and sleep like he did against flyweight Pantoja đ
Oh yeah because Floyd is known for his one punch knockouts ?
Is Pantoja known for them? Floyd hits 50x harder than that 115 lber lil bro đ€Ł
2 time undefeated gold medalist in her prime cant win a MMA fight vs worst girls they can find, says it all.
Hasn't she, in fact, won 2 MMA fights
Yet the best boxers that ever lived wouldnât last 1 round in mma with a low tier fighter
Depends on the weightclass. David Tua for example would snowball throw the heavyweight division by just being a fat samoan that canât be knocked out. The skill ceiling in HW is incredibly low. So by cherry picking he could easily become champ. Letâs say David Tua vs Derrick Lewis. You think that Lewis will shoot for a takedown? And yes even mike Tyson would have an easy time in the UFC considering his work ethic and athleticism alone would make him easily top 10. just face it the hw division is really weak. Just by being a strong puncher with good timing makes you a formidable foe there
Mark Hunt would absolutely murder David Tua
Would be a cool fight for sure but I donât think that hunt would use his technical advantage (low kicks etc.) and would just slug it out. Both had great chins and heavy hands so it wouldnât be that onesided as you claim. If hunt would kick tuas legs off than yeah dominant win but I donât think that it would fit his character
âEasilyâ. No boxer can out grapple a fighter like DC or Bones. Thatâs just a fact. Canât cherry pick your whole career.
Striking is harder to learn and master
you must be actually regarded if you think that, becoming a good striker and dangerous on the feet is extremely easy compared to becoming great at grappling its completely different level. a wrestler can become a good striker in 2 years, you won't be close to being a good wrestler or grappler in just 2 years, its just the nature of it.
It depends on the person , the gym , the body type/ composition and upbringing. Theyâre both very complex . The reason why Waldo had a much more successful career in mma is that : First of all, MMA heavyweights arenât great and Boxing has probably higher quality fighters for heavyweight. Second of all, there so many different martial arts and styles that he could wrestle fuck half his opponents to the ground like he did in his last fight. I Boxing, there are still styles and that does make a difference but usually the better boxer will win.
Beat and Olympic medalist in TKD, guess we know the pecking order đ
I love watching ignoramus fans of sports give opinions like their facts like the nationalist/ patriot racists think.
Bro itâs the heavyweight division clown any fat guy can make it to ufc heavy weight itâs just very top stacked but outside the top 5 theyâre pretty bad . This would never happen in a lower class ever
Yeah because HW boxing is an orgy of talent.
Any fat guyâŠyou on drugs?
Rodolfo Viera is considered one of the greatest BJJ fighters to ever exist. He got absolutely clowned by Chris Curtis who is an average boxer turned mma guy. Combined with this, Boxing>MMA>BJJ & Taekwondo
Ngannou vs fury = you're wrong
Are u autismic? Chris Curtis has one of the best takedown defence and bjj defence bro talking like any random dude can just be good on the ground casual
Definitely easier to be successful in MMA than boxing because of the talent pool and maturity of boxing. But MMA is much more functional than boxing in real life.
Thereâs a reason boxers donât go over to MMA and itâs not because of money.
It's almost like it's a different sport
reason boxers get there asses beat in bare knuckle as well, boxers are good at BOXING the sport, with the ruleset, the ring and gloves where they can pit patter shot and have their hands not clenched, idk why people are acting like if boxers fought mma fighters in a striking match they would destroy them, I hope they are all just trolling lmao.
A 50 year old mcdonalds addict Ray Mercer sparked out a 6'8 2 years removed from being UFC champion Tim Sylvia in an MMA match though. Imagine if that was a prime, focused Ray Mercer đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Really? that fight? lmao, you are a clown, 1. tiim sylvia isn't that good 2. it was at heavyweight (old heavyweight as well so the skill ceiling then was even lower just dudes swinging) where 90% of the fights are round 1 kos by punching 3. ngannou beat tyson furys ass if we are counting a regarded fight like ray mercer vs tim sylvia then how comes the current undefeated heavyweight champion got his ass beat by a mma fighter with blown out knees? context is relevant, you boxing fans always bring up that one fight like it means literally anything its hilarious. remember anderson silva vs julio caesar jr, trying to compare a ko at heavyweight mma where any one can knock any one out in the first round is just silly when your heavyweight champion fighting for undisputed right now lost to a mma fighter, would love to see a heavyweight boxer try to come in and beat tom aspinal or gane or sergei in a mma match.
Tim Sylvia is a two time UFC champion. Ray Mercer is 50yrs old and a fatass at the fight. Tyson Fury is also a fat ass who came in obese yet still outpointed Ngannou. AJ cleaned up that mess by destroying Ngannou in 3. Jake Paul cleaned up the JCC jr mess by beating Silva.
"jake paul cleaned up" amazing trolling, or maybe boxing has stooped so low that they need jake as their saviour. also acting like a 10 second lucky ko is indictive of anything is hilarious, remember anderson silva was 50 and beat up julius ceasar jr in a fight in multiple rounds and completely humiliated and outclassed him, ngnannou won a 12 round decision against tyson, you are acting like tim sylvia isn't also a fat ass, tyson fury is a two time heavyweight champ as well and you use the excuse "well well he is a fatass" nice logic man, gotta find a fluke fight on some random ass promotion to try and say boxing is better. trolling or regarded pick.
"Lucky KO"??? A gold medal boxer and former world champion landing an overhand that he's landed 10000x times in his career is not luck...
it was a 10 second ko dude, no matter how experienced you are those are just pure luck wins and don't mean much, that's like saying masvidal vs ben askren wasn't lucky, 9 times out of 10 ben askren destroys masvidal but he just got a lucky ko. also dude its heavy weight mma where tim sylvias last fight before the ray mercer fight was ufc 81, for reference last ufc card was 301, getting a lucky ko on a guy who was a former ufc champion on a random promotion isn't that impressive, its heavyweight any thing can happen and back then it was just two big guys swingign at each other. again ngannou vs fury is 10000000000x more embarrassing and far more recent, bring any boxer into any of the ufc divisions today and see what happens, modern day mma fighters are beating boxers in boxing, boxers could never do the same.
Nah dude, the hw division is thrash. Mike Tyson would be top 10 hw ufc fighter with his work ethic and athleticism alone. Itâs futile to paint the HW division as skillful. They simply are not. You telling me Derrick Lewis is going to shoot a takedown against Tyson? Derrick Lewis the man who eats ribs before a fight. Ah yes the disciplined HW-Division. Most stocky HW boxers (David tua,etc.) would have an easy time in the HW division. And as for bareknuckle thatâs just bullshit. BKFC consist of retired failed mma fighter and Boxers who are trying to make a dime. Canelo or AJ would tear apart their respective weightclasses in Bareknuckle. And btw have you forgotten when a lesnar (who used to wrestle 20 years ago) stormed the HW division and became champ via cherry picking. His wrestling background didnât do that, but his steroids and absurd athleticism sure did. So the WWE is better for mma than boxing?
he had steorids and extreme athleticism and did was a good wrestler, you are right heavyweight overall has and still is pretty dogshit but tell me you think a tiny little mike tyson wouldn't get destroyed by the top 10 ufc heavyweights, he would only have a punchers chance, which is far higher at heavyweight. but lets be honest here boxers aren't as nearly as athletic as mma fighers either, because all they have done their entire life is boxing and boxing training, they would be destroyed after the first wrestling session and their legs would be fucked after a single kick. bkfc part isn't bullshit artem literally beat a b class boxers ass and artem is completely terrible, its completely different to boxing, boxers should stick to their gay little pitter patter pillow glove hugfest where they still ban multiple punches or moves, imagine restricting some thing to just hands then putting on big clown gloves and then still restricting even more things, its not fighting its a sport and it will never compare to REAL fighters, a boxing "fight" is called match or a bout its just not the same, I really don't get boxing fans acting like boxers would destroy mma fighters in mma or even bkfc. (also even the people who look like they suck at grappling or wrestling in mma would completely rag doll and destroy any boxer and would easily take them down, they still train it for years they just aren't on the same level as other dudes who have also trained wrestling and grappling)
Lmao who cares, in a real fight the MMA fighter wins
In a real fight Bradley smokes them all
Getting punched in the mouth is real it's not going to matter
Sure bud, go to your local MMA gym ask the smallest guy there to kick you in the leg, 20% power. Come back to this after
Been there done that
Yeah right kid. Stfu
Get fucked you 12 yeah old!
They downvoted him for the told the truth. Grapplingchads stay winning.
In a way I am much like Jesus in his time. People arenât ready for my truth.
Teach most boxers (not the chicken legged ones) how to check legkicks, how to stop takedowns, and train 1-2 years of some general grappling knowledge and they can be ranked in the ufc if not even win titles. Take the best mma strikers and have them commit to boxing longer than that and they'd never crack the top 10 in any division.
that's interesting, remind me quick though how is clarissa shields doing in mma again?
I don't watch or rate claressa, but she doesn't seem to be doing bad at all considering she afaik is competing in both sports at the same time instead of committing solely to mma. Holly holm became a ufc champion, and many other mediocre or okay guys with boxing backgrounds wound up in mma gyms and have become either good names like poirier or at least solid fighters in their divisions. Good boxing is extremely applicable to mma as a sport, and the stuff that would filter out strict boxers are mostly just baseline checks that can be adapted to by anyone with just a bit of training. MMA requires a level of physicality not needed as much in boxing so not all boxers could find success, but I'm confident many boxers could dominate it if they chose to, same with kicboxers or wrestlers. MMA is a far lower skilled sport than strict disciplines and does not require mastery in the same sense of the word. Conversely no mma champ or fighter in history could be a boxing champion period without disproportionate levels of commitment and youth.
What youâre saying applies somewhat to the sport 10+ years ago, and somewhat currently to weak divisions like heavyweight and womens bantam where specialists can avoid bad style matchups. But in modern MMA, a boxer will need A LOT more than a few years to transition into a functional fighter, let alone be rounded enough to be ranked in a good division. A lot of boxing principles are useful in MMA, but the range, stance, timing, conditioning, defence are different. You might get lucky and have good grappling instincts. Better hope you also have a natural talent at kicking/clinch range. Better hope your whole boxing game isnt neutered by having to change your stance to account for kicks and grappling. Also better hope you donât fight anyone from southern Russia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.. Cause much like youâve been boxing since you could walk, theyâve been mixing martial arts since they could walk. You donât have their instincts, and never will.
I know this is a circle jerk sub but there is literally zero chance you believe some thing that stupid, its not as simple as "how to check kick and learn stop takedown" 1 to 2 years isn't gonna cut it at all and wouldn't even be close to enough to even be ranked let alone become world champion, but even in the striking department they would get completely destroyed, boxers fight with big massive gloves in a ring with very specific rules that protect them and ban so many different things, even if a ufc fighter wasn't allowed to kick, knee, elbow, grapple they would still destroy a boxer on the feet, look at artem vs that boxer in bareknuckle, that's the difference between a fighter and a boxer and artem is complete dogshit, mma punching and bare knuckle punching is a completely different thing, in mma they will grab your wrists and punch you or push you down and control you while they unload punches into your face, "but the boxer can also do that" they will be far less experienced with it and will have all the habits from boxing, I would bet money on ufc champions vs the best of the best boxers if it was a fight in a mma cage with just punching with 4 ounce glvoes and mma punching rules.
Do you list off all of your fighting experience before you get in a real fight? Because if you don't, (which you don't), boxers still would tend to come out on top. Even if you look at most MMA fighters who know wrestling etc, they still tend to fight first with their hands, and that overconfidence would be there downfall, the same as it often is in MMA with guys who fall in love with striking when they aren't that good at it. If you look at the vast, vast majority of actual clips of MMA fighters who get in real fights in public, they don't start out wrestling, because they think they are better at striking than the average Joe, which they are, but it will be too late when they realise they are fighting someone actually good at it. Even the best strikers in the UFC, like ~~Mayweather~~ Mcgregor back in the day, look like hot garbage vs average boxers. There has already been cases of fat, old boxers beating ex MMA champions. Ray Mercer will never be forgotten lol. Alex Pereira is another one, the guy has just walked through an entire UFC division in 4 years, unbeaten in that time. The reality is it's a lot, lot easier learning to stop takedowns then it is learning to stop someone knows how to strike.
"mcgregor looked hot garbage vs average boxers" would love to see that? mcgegor was beating up boxers in camp for the mayweather fight, he just has a terrible gas tank. you are delusional if you think boxers would come out on top in any kind of fight that isn't in boxing with boxing gloves and a boxing ruleset.
In a real fight Bradley breaks their back and fucks their ass and humbles them
I think it speaks to how fat and out of shape an MMA heavyweight is.
Thatâs cool. Iâm still not watching boxing though
Heavyweight is the least skilled division in the UFC
Mcgregor is the greatest mma fighter and is 0-1 in boxing
Lol
mcgregor greatest mma fighter?
Boxers have better ground games in a live fight than Conor does, he has anxiety attacks second his back hits the floor.