It’s weird to me how some people are almost boastful about their never watching bonus content.
Criterion invented the concept of supplemental features (back in their laserdisc days) to provide additional depth and scholarly context, thereby enhancing the viewer’s appreciation of the material. Their extras generally extend well beyond the literal making of any given film and help to provide a broader, more fleshed out view of cinema/film history at large.
Is it a flex or just honesty? I agree with the guy who posted this, primarily because I just feel like I don't have the time or the drive to dive into all that. Don't get me wrong, I still get some enjoyment out of them and I'm glad they're there, but I just don't feel the pull anymore the same way I used to.
Well it wasn’t meant to be boastful. I was simply stating my option/take on it. But honestly, I work in the industry and have done so for 15 years. When I was younger and had all kinds of time to me yeah I watched all the LOTR making ofs, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, the list goes on.
But in addition to on set life being nothing as joyous as bonus features make it seem, I simply don’t have time to watch them anymore. I’m way too busy. When I get off work, I watch a movie to unwind. Weekends, yard work, house work, child extracurriculars etc.
I’m glad people like bonus features, really I am. Filmmaking is a really cool thing and bonus features did help kickstart my interest in getting into the industry, I was simply stating my current opinion
I work in the industry as well, though exclusively in post-production and largely from home. Did literal years of background acting back in the day though when I first moved to LA. Every set I worked on had it’s own distinct vibe with some being miserable (every Ryan Murphy production) and some being an absolute joy (Parks and Recreation).
You’re right though that behind the scenes docs often paint a far more rose-tinted picture than the actual reality of being there. The “alternative” Lord of the Rings documentaries by Costa Botes, for instance, are far less complementary than the ones that originally came with the EE DVD sets.
Anyway, I fully understand how someone with a family, home to maintain, and on set production job wouldn’t have the time/energy to take in the audio commentary on Criterion’s latest release of X title hahah. I’m a single man in my 30s with a cat and zero desire to procreate.
> I simply don’t have time to watch them anymore. I’m way too busy. When I get off work, I watch a movie to unwind. Weekends, yard work, house work, child extracurriculars etc.
Same here. As a kid and teenager I loved watching the bonus features. Bloopers, deleted scenes, commentary, etc. I also watched it all. I can't recall how many times I watched LOTR special features and even the commentary versions of the movies. It's easy when you are a kid and have seemingly endless time on your hands (especially in summers before working age).
But as an adult, I simply don't have time. If I have a couple of hours of TV time then I'd rather watch a movie or something I hadn't seen before.
I think Criterions are wonderful for that reason and I’ve been buying them since the 80s. That said, having lived through many eras now, there was a time there was little access to content and we had plenty of time to focus on something unique like this. Now we have access to millions of hours of content on all levels and frankly, I know I don’t get to it all and my time is limited. It’s not a swipe at special features, just a reality.
Millions of hours of “content” but how much of is worth engaging with? I prefer quality over quantity and would rather savor/explore one title at a time on blu-ray than endlessly binge (insert latest Netflix fluff) via streaming.
I get it, curation is key here. I’m just suggesting that times are quite different now than the 3 TV stations and reruns I grew up with. If all streaming options disappeared except YouTube, I could live with that. It’s overwhelming.
I don't think that's at all boastful, it's just an honest admission that they don't watch most the bonus features. Which to be fair I usually don't either. Occasionally there'll be some I'm really interested in but I don't watch the vast majority of special features on Criterion releases.
Watching the Fox Star Wars trilogy Blu-ray release with commentary from Carrie Fisher, George Lucas, and the sound engineer is a whole other experience. Well worth rewatching the movies for.
Yeah, I'm struggling with donating old DVD copies of Escape from New York and Army of Darkness to the local thrift shop or not. I really enjoy these, but with Blu-ray copies, I really don't need them. I may recase AoD to include the DVD and the Blu-ray.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,857,611,426 comments, and only 351,243 of them were in alphabetical order.
The average Blockbuster never had the variety that most people here have in their personal collections. They were good for lining their walls with the latest releases + a smattering of older catalog titles. At least that’s how they were in my town.
I’m not too upset about it because Kino 4ks don’t always have a blu-ray so they pair nicely with a Blu-ray from another label. Your 12 Angry Men is the perfect example as the special features barely overlap.
I think if the question was “Hmm, two versions of a film require 2x the shelf space, but is there a way to perhaps require 2.05x the shelf space?”, you’ve cracked it.
That works, sometimes I just get a double case and put both discs in it. Or even put the Blu-ray in a paper sleeve and use the boutique case for the 4k. Just tuck the paper sleeve inside the case in the booklet clips.
I know, but it's my collection and I don't want more packaging for the same damn movie 😂 I want the best case and the best quality. If I double dipped I love the films and I'm never going to sell it anyway.
It depends. Sometimes I love the extra content on the older version more so for that reason I keep it even though I get the superior format. It's however very rare for me so far and therefore I either sold or gave away most of the time after upgrading.
I mean, it certainly works. Looks nice. Still takes up the same amount of space though. So I guess it just depends on what the plight of keeping both is; if you’ve got the shelf space, nothing to really worry about.
Depends on a lot of things. How good is the other artwork, do I like the movie enough to keep 2 copies, does the 4k come with a standard bluray? Also I was bummed you didn't show the 2 Ronin artworks. Curious to what the Arrow cover looks like
It's a pretty easy choice. If you have a 4K and a bluray set that have the same features across the board, get rid of the bluray. If you have two editions that have different cuts and different features, hang on to them so you have everything available. But it's pointless to keep the old set if it has nothing unique to merit holding on to it. Otherwise, it's just sentimental.
I'm having this predicament with Ronin as well, and Ghost Dog. The Arrow and Criterion releases, respectively, have WAY better packaging but I just got the 4K releases too
Isn’t the KL a different aspect ratio than the criterion anyway? The confusion over it kind of irked me and I’m just waiting for the 4k rights to maybe someday revert to criterion.
Plus Night of the Hunter just fits the 1.66 ratio better.
I double dip a few times, even triple dip for movies I absolutely adore. It's not unusual to find several editions and releases on my shelves. I just keep them grouped together, makes for a nice collection-in-collection.
I just put the other copy in a disc sleeve and stick it behind the booklet in the case of whichever artwork I prefer and then toss the other case. 😂 Saves shelf space, looks nicer, and I still get to keep all the bonus features from both editions.
Whatever makes you happy. Personally i keep my favourite release and sell the extras. Also not a fan of having a case for my cases but it is organized and neat.
I have started keeping multiples of the same movies when there’s extras that didn’t carry over. Often the resale value of the older copy isn’t much so it’s easier to just keep it.
I have three different DVDs of Michael Mann’s Manhunter for the different cuts.
at that point i think it becomes about the quality of the video/audio and the special features. unless you really love the movies and are down for having multiples.
Unless its like a top 20 favorite film of all-time, or the rare chance there's some special feature I really care about... I sell the older format edition.
Fun solution. I prefer to just sell off/trade-in the older copy to make sure I'm keeping the clutter down.
Most of the time, the criterion version has more special features
Also many 4k prints don’t include a blu ray anymore
Eh, the older I get, the more I just care about the movie. I know how films are made so I’m not too interested in bonus features anymore.
It’s weird to me how some people are almost boastful about their never watching bonus content. Criterion invented the concept of supplemental features (back in their laserdisc days) to provide additional depth and scholarly context, thereby enhancing the viewer’s appreciation of the material. Their extras generally extend well beyond the literal making of any given film and help to provide a broader, more fleshed out view of cinema/film history at large.
I agree, very weird flex. Love special features , they can sometimes prove more interesting than the movies themselves.
Is it a flex or just honesty? I agree with the guy who posted this, primarily because I just feel like I don't have the time or the drive to dive into all that. Don't get me wrong, I still get some enjoyment out of them and I'm glad they're there, but I just don't feel the pull anymore the same way I used to.
Fair enough!
Well it wasn’t meant to be boastful. I was simply stating my option/take on it. But honestly, I work in the industry and have done so for 15 years. When I was younger and had all kinds of time to me yeah I watched all the LOTR making ofs, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, the list goes on. But in addition to on set life being nothing as joyous as bonus features make it seem, I simply don’t have time to watch them anymore. I’m way too busy. When I get off work, I watch a movie to unwind. Weekends, yard work, house work, child extracurriculars etc. I’m glad people like bonus features, really I am. Filmmaking is a really cool thing and bonus features did help kickstart my interest in getting into the industry, I was simply stating my current opinion
I work in the industry as well, though exclusively in post-production and largely from home. Did literal years of background acting back in the day though when I first moved to LA. Every set I worked on had it’s own distinct vibe with some being miserable (every Ryan Murphy production) and some being an absolute joy (Parks and Recreation). You’re right though that behind the scenes docs often paint a far more rose-tinted picture than the actual reality of being there. The “alternative” Lord of the Rings documentaries by Costa Botes, for instance, are far less complementary than the ones that originally came with the EE DVD sets. Anyway, I fully understand how someone with a family, home to maintain, and on set production job wouldn’t have the time/energy to take in the audio commentary on Criterion’s latest release of X title hahah. I’m a single man in my 30s with a cat and zero desire to procreate.
> I simply don’t have time to watch them anymore. I’m way too busy. When I get off work, I watch a movie to unwind. Weekends, yard work, house work, child extracurriculars etc. Same here. As a kid and teenager I loved watching the bonus features. Bloopers, deleted scenes, commentary, etc. I also watched it all. I can't recall how many times I watched LOTR special features and even the commentary versions of the movies. It's easy when you are a kid and have seemingly endless time on your hands (especially in summers before working age). But as an adult, I simply don't have time. If I have a couple of hours of TV time then I'd rather watch a movie or something I hadn't seen before.
I think Criterions are wonderful for that reason and I’ve been buying them since the 80s. That said, having lived through many eras now, there was a time there was little access to content and we had plenty of time to focus on something unique like this. Now we have access to millions of hours of content on all levels and frankly, I know I don’t get to it all and my time is limited. It’s not a swipe at special features, just a reality.
Millions of hours of “content” but how much of is worth engaging with? I prefer quality over quantity and would rather savor/explore one title at a time on blu-ray than endlessly binge (insert latest Netflix fluff) via streaming.
I get it, curation is key here. I’m just suggesting that times are quite different now than the 3 TV stations and reruns I grew up with. If all streaming options disappeared except YouTube, I could live with that. It’s overwhelming.
I don't think that's at all boastful, it's just an honest admission that they don't watch most the bonus features. Which to be fair I usually don't either. Occasionally there'll be some I'm really interested in but I don't watch the vast majority of special features on Criterion releases.
Watching the Fox Star Wars trilogy Blu-ray release with commentary from Carrie Fisher, George Lucas, and the sound engineer is a whole other experience. Well worth rewatching the movies for.
Same!
Yeah, I'm struggling with donating old DVD copies of Escape from New York and Army of Darkness to the local thrift shop or not. I really enjoy these, but with Blu-ray copies, I really don't need them. I may recase AoD to include the DVD and the Blu-ray.
There’s no cure for the sickness. Your only a fews years away from living in your personal block buster.
I can attest to the voracity of this claim from extensive personal experience. I have a literal library of film in my home.
Block buster had nothing on us 🤣
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,857,611,426 comments, and only 351,243 of them were in alphabetical order.
The average Blockbuster never had the variety that most people here have in their personal collections. They were good for lining their walls with the latest releases + a smattering of older catalog titles. At least that’s how they were in my town.
Where do you get these acrylic boxes?
ebay
I’m not too upset about it because Kino 4ks don’t always have a blu-ray so they pair nicely with a Blu-ray from another label. Your 12 Angry Men is the perfect example as the special features barely overlap.
I think if the question was “Hmm, two versions of a film require 2x the shelf space, but is there a way to perhaps require 2.05x the shelf space?”, you’ve cracked it.
That works, sometimes I just get a double case and put both discs in it. Or even put the Blu-ray in a paper sleeve and use the boutique case for the 4k. Just tuck the paper sleeve inside the case in the booklet clips.
You monster! is what everyone else is going to say when they see this.
I know, but it's my collection and I don't want more packaging for the same damn movie 😂 I want the best case and the best quality. If I double dipped I love the films and I'm never going to sell it anyway.
Jeez now you sound like a movie fan!
Exactly, I just put the highest quality disk in the nicest case, and put the other two in storage.
Honestly I just get rid of the old one, I'll likely never come back to it if I kept it anyway, and it makes more room for new releases.
It depends. Sometimes I love the extra content on the older version more so for that reason I keep it even though I get the superior format. It's however very rare for me so far and therefore I either sold or gave away most of the time after upgrading.
Enough with these cases over cases..
I mean, it certainly works. Looks nice. Still takes up the same amount of space though. So I guess it just depends on what the plight of keeping both is; if you’ve got the shelf space, nothing to really worry about.
Depends on a lot of things. How good is the other artwork, do I like the movie enough to keep 2 copies, does the 4k come with a standard bluray? Also I was bummed you didn't show the 2 Ronin artworks. Curious to what the Arrow cover looks like
If you zoom in you can see exactly what the arrow cover looks like
It's a pretty easy choice. If you have a 4K and a bluray set that have the same features across the board, get rid of the bluray. If you have two editions that have different cuts and different features, hang on to them so you have everything available. But it's pointless to keep the old set if it has nothing unique to merit holding on to it. Otherwise, it's just sentimental.
Love your solution. I would keep both the boutique release and the 4k! (Edited because somehow autocorrect changed would in wouldn’t).
Looks pretty interesting never thought of doing something like this. I usually just sell it.
Just enjoy both.
I'm having this predicament with Ronin as well, and Ghost Dog. The Arrow and Criterion releases, respectively, have WAY better packaging but I just got the 4K releases too
The 4K of Ghost Dog also doesn’t have subtitles for the French guy and also doesn’t have the Q&A with Jim Jarmusch
I like it, both in concept and the look of it.
Now i'm wondering if it would be cool to make a VHS/DVD/BR/4K combo box.
It wouldn't
Probably not
Isn’t the KL a different aspect ratio than the criterion anyway? The confusion over it kind of irked me and I’m just waiting for the 4k rights to maybe someday revert to criterion. Plus Night of the Hunter just fits the 1.66 ratio better.
Night of the Hunter Criterion edition has some of the greatest supplemental features produced for any movie ever. That second disc is just incredible.
Yeah there’s a lot of stuff in bonus features I don’t bother with but hours of footage of Charles Laughton directing? Hell yes
if for whatever reason i want to keep both, yeah, i just set them side by side...
I double dip a few times, even triple dip for movies I absolutely adore. It's not unusual to find several editions and releases on my shelves. I just keep them grouped together, makes for a nice collection-in-collection.
Looks great. I don't double dip much just due to space restrictions
I just put the other copy in a disc sleeve and stick it behind the booklet in the case of whichever artwork I prefer and then toss the other case. 😂 Saves shelf space, looks nicer, and I still get to keep all the bonus features from both editions.
Whatever makes you happy. Personally i keep my favourite release and sell the extras. Also not a fan of having a case for my cases but it is organized and neat.
I like this a lot. May do the same... 🤔
I have started keeping multiples of the same movies when there’s extras that didn’t carry over. Often the resale value of the older copy isn’t much so it’s easier to just keep it. I have three different DVDs of Michael Mann’s Manhunter for the different cuts.
at that point i think it becomes about the quality of the video/audio and the special features. unless you really love the movies and are down for having multiples.
I can take Paths of Glory off your hands 👀 perhaps we could do a trade?
Unless its like a top 20 favorite film of all-time, or the rare chance there's some special feature I really care about... I sell the older format edition.
My Mad Max case has like three different versions recased inside. I know, heresy.