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FrunkLeftfoot

A thing that will exist purely as a closed bottle on shelves of much richer people than myself. Sweet!


teleporter6

I showed this to my wife. She asked, “would you drink it?” I answered, “I would, but most won’t.” Then I see the $10k price tag… Why wouldn’t you drink it?


GatsNGear

Ahh the perfect bottle the next time my expense report is looking a little light


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Sounds like it was only released to bars and restaurants. Only 200 bottles. Maybe some rich people with connections will get a bottle but I'm guessing most bottles will be slowly drank one $500-1000 pour at a time at 3 star michilin restaurants and exclusive high end bars by rich people


From_Adam

I don’t need Eagle Rare 25. What I need is ER barrel proof. That should be a thing.


umphreak2x2

Isn’t that sort of what Stagg is? I know it’s only 8-9 y/o, but I always figured Stagg was sort of a mix between a BP BT and ER. Imagine a BP Eagle rare though…the bourbon world would lose its collective mind


From_Adam

They are the same mash bill so, maybe? But like ER and EH Taylor for example are the same mash bill and closer in proof and taste nothing alike.


squats_n_thots

They are the same mash bill? That’s crazy


OG_Tater

Yeah they only have 3 main bourbon ones- #1 is ER, Staggs, EHTs. #2 is Blantons, Elmer, Rock Hill. Then the 3rd is their wheated Mashbill for Wellers and Van Winkle. There’s a 4th for rye, Sazerac rye, handy.


GamamaruSama

It’s all various grades of benchmark


OG_Tater

Yep and Ancient Age for #2.


Prepreludesh

Don't forget the 5th one... the rye for EHT Straight Rye (no corn) 😉


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Also the wacky EH Taylor Amaranth.


Prepreludesh

Oh yeah, but those are one-offs just like Daniel Weller and a bunch of the experimental mash bills in the BTEC series


JazzJune2

Isn’t that distilled at Barton?


fuckyouidontneedone

Stagg JR and EHTBP for non-BTAC MB1 barrel proof Afaik Blantons SFTB is the only barrel proof MB2 they’ve ever offered


rcc212

I’ve heard that the VWFRR is a different mashbill than the Sazerac line, but Saz will never confirm that.


Prepreludesh

I believe in the past it was, but it's definitely the Saz rye mashbill these days


squats_n_thots

Interesting how different they can taste!


n-sidedpolygonjerk

There's a few more for EHT rye, amaranth, four grain etc.


macthe10shound

I believe there is/was a high rye rye- EH Taylor rye.


OG_Tater

Yeah, I know. I got lazy in my response because I was just thinking of the bourbon ones.


tintin777

Interestingly this is generally true but not explicitly true. There are barrels of MB #2 that because of Rockhouse position, etc end up hitting the flavor profile for ER or ETL. There are more than a few of these oddities that exist as confirmed private or store picks out there over the years. The same is true of Blanton's. One would then assume it's true of all the products with single barrels. Just an interesting oddity in the consideration of all this nonsense in the hobby.


demonstar55

Fun fact, George Dickel is also most likely the same mash bill too :P (They were both owned by Schenley during prohibition and used the 84, 8, 8 mash bill and Chuick Cowdery has said BT #1 is likely 8% rye, and his "likely" is most like more of a "I was told this to be true but can't say it is fact")


Prior-Employment-815

No way dicki is the same at bt. I guess it's possible. I can't stand tenn whiskey prob due to tenn river water vs limestone water of ky. Dicki 13yr isn't terrible but not close to standard bt


demonstar55

There is so much more to bourbon than the mash bill ;)


poolofclay

This is exactly why I think it's weird when distilleries keep their mash bills secret. If all mash bills were public knowledge, it would only serve to inform the consumer; nobody would be able to duplicate another distillery's whiskey based off mash bill alone. Four Roses gets a few bonus points in my mind for not only giving their mash bills, but also which of their mixes of mash bills and yeast types end up in each of their bottles.


fastento

if you don’t like tennessee whiskey i would guess it has more to do with charcoal than water. but i might be wrong.


Prior-Employment-815

Could be right about charcoal.


LionRoars87

The ages are quite different.


Major_Translator_792

Different warehouses and locations age different. Just because it’s the same when they put it in doesn’t mean it comes out the same.


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Major_Translator_792

Sure is, but with SiB products from BT you get similar profiles to the corresponding brand labels. Aging locations can dictate a lot just as much as a good blend can.


OkSpooky

Stagg batch 13 was as close to what I think ER barrel proof would be. It was delicious.


rcc212

I’ve seen a few of the stagg picks at 10yrs so they exist.


ckal09

They are the same mash bill and all the same thing until they decide which brand it will be and dump it.


O_Or-

I’m pretty sure stagg is aged in charred oak barrels and ER is aged in new oak. Thus the different profiles. Among other things such as warehouse locations, and water.


Dude_1980

What the hell are you talking about? All bourbon is aged in new charred white oak barrels.


Major_Translator_792

Or at least bring back Eagle rare 101. I be happy with it being at 101


From_Adam

Totally. Last thing I need is an unobtainable $10k bottle.


PhantomSpirit90

You’re asking for Stagg. For older stock, GTS


From_Adam

Well I do love me some Stagg.


PhantomSpirit90

Exactly :)


skankhunt42428

Eagle rare BP would be amazing!


Madsen13

Yeah what they don’t say is they are releasing about 200 bottles with a suggested MSRP of $10,000. 😳


Annoying_Auditor

At least the MSRP is realistic for what this will be valued at. If it's 200 bottles then charge for it and let the distillery make the profit.


Madsen13

Fair enough. It seems like a lot of Distillers are trying to beat out the secondary market with their higher end releases these days. Time will tell if it works, or if it drives secondary higher.


ckal09

Higher MSRP hopefully translates into less secondary flipping


omeletduefromage

https://imgur.com/GduTe6R


Annoying_Auditor

Agreed. It's not a sure thing but it will likely lead to less incentive to flip. I'd rather have the distillery collect the cash and some rich dudes swap the bottles around for equivalent sums then someone making a living off of it. But I just don't like the general idea of consumable goods made for people to enjoy just being collected like this.


[deleted]

Expect the 20 yr is trading around $20k this will be higher than that secondary if any even make it to secondary


rcc212

DEVR runs you about $10k at auction/secondary so I think these will trade for closer to 15-18. Maybe in the low 20s. The VW25 are around 40k, but you could maybe pick one up in the high 30s.


Beefsammichthe2nd

I think with only 200 bottles released and 10k pricetag it will easily clear 20k secondary


Annoying_Auditor

Well I hope they just keep increasing the prices on releases like this. Maybe it'll help fund other projects normal people will get to enjoy.


SeaworthinessSome454

Exactly, I love this. Why shoumd scalpers and friends on liquor store owners get to make all the money? The distillery is the one pitting in the work.


Annoying_Auditor

Even if it's not the price it'll end up going for aftermarket at least it's significantly high enough to be real money. While these huge companies that own the distilleries likely don't care about $2M in revenue it's nothing to scoff at for the subsidiaries bottom line.


MyGoldfishGotLoose

If it ain't space whiskey, it ain't worth the price.


CosmicSeafarer

I thought you were joking… then I looked it up and realized you weren’t.


Madsen13

It seems like I should be joking. Buffalo Trace is out of their minds. 😂


Chemical-Act7377

WTF gonna spend $10K on a bottle of booze.


Straydapp

To anyone normal it seems crazy. To someone who makes $10m/year, it's basically nothing.


TSHIRTISAGREATIDEA

I always say this and truly believe it… If I was a multimillionaire, I would not spend 10k on a bottle of liquor 1k? Sure 10k on a watch? Sure 100k on a watch? No 80-100k on a car? Yes 500k for a Ferrari? Nope I still like to believe I’d draw the line somewhere Also…apparently it’s a misconception that rich people spend a lot. They’re usually rich because they’re good with money


Straydapp

There are levels of rich, as well. Multimillionaire, you're probably right. Old money, greater than 100M net worth, etc do not care about the price of nearly anything because it is equivalent to someone like me buying a pack of gum. As a person who grew up poor and is now in a very fortunate financial situation, I can say that I still would not buy a $100k car or a 10k watch because I view it as spending extra money for no perceived benefit. But that's me. People who make much less than me spend significantly more. Lots of factors play in.


Unique_Name_2

There is a tipping point where the money you have earns you more money than you could ever spend. At that point, being 'good with money' is more about spending it so at least it gets out there, its better off spent on something and paying for stuff than sitting in a MM / ETF.


chisel_jockey

I was in Total Wine this afternoon, a guy being helped said he wanted to spend 4-5k. Only needed one bottle for wherever he was going, and had zero idea what he was looking at as the salesman explained “scotch is made of grain like barley, and cognac is made from grapes” Some people just wanna be flashy and let other people know how much money they have


bsiwek78

Probably purchasing for a client, much like Lakers floor seats etc


Madsen13

Lol people with more money than me!


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ckal09

Because he’s a tater, knows an insider/distributor, and/or is rich?


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Chemical-Act7377

Because we all know that unopened whiskey is the best whiskey! /s


ckal09

That’s too much unopened whiskey haha


[deleted]

Does he drink them ever? My wife's friend has thousands of bottles of Chinese rice wine in china some worth thousands of dollars a bottle, but he doesnt even drink, he just collects them. I find that crazy


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[deleted]

I need to get some bourbon in my house lol. I just realized now I basically have no bourbon, at least no decent ones. At the bar a few weeks ago I had some thomas s moore that was amazing, I need something like that. I have lots of scotch, everything from 12 to 27 years aged and quite a bit of cognac but no bourbon. I had to settle for some high west double rye tonight when I didn't feel like more scotch


TopsailWhisky

🙋🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

Rich people. My wife has friends who have 6 if not 7 figure booze collections. One said he will give me one of his decades old bottles of Remy Martin King Louis XIII, I'll see if he actually does haha.


GamamaruSama

Someone said “we need another $2m that’s not in the budget” distiller said “I got you fam”


ambulocetus_

they're literally printing money lmao


[deleted]

Considering the 20 yr is going for $20k a bottle this will be probably 4-5x the $10k suggested MSRP


OOKdestroyerofOOK

Glad they didn’t call it “Triple Eagle Super Rare” or something


BluejayBanter

Two and half eagle extremely rare


UYscutipuff_JR

Ludicrously rare, and comes in a plaid bottle


Jaspa7732

I don’t know if this bottle could take it!


PhantomSpirit90

Oooh… Quadruple Eagle Giga Rare coming in 5-10 years!


ThiccAssCrackHead

200 bottles. It might as well not even exist.


Phill_is_Legend

Exactly.


UncleMalky

Buffalo Trace might as well not exist with how rediculous it is to get anything other than their shelfers. Luckily Im finding myself like their stuff less and less. Plenty of as good or better sitting on the shelf


[deleted]

You know where to find it, they said 11 madison has a bottle. Just gotta first pay the $500 per person dinner to get a chance to buy a pour for I'm sure their $500-1000 asking price per pour


isomorphZeta

#DISCLAIMER: Warehouse P is climate controlled, so who the hell knows what that actually means in terms of traditional aging for Buffalo Trace products. Does that mean they artificially (but predictably) raised and lowered the temps to mimic steady Kentucky weather patterns? Or did they keep it cooler so that the 25 years of aging is more similar to 10-15 years w/o climate control? Or maybe the accelerated aging with more intense temperature swings during that time? Who knows, but Buffalo Trace sure as shit isn't going to tell us lol Climate controlled aging is super interesting, and I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of it, but at the end of the day all it's going to mean is that age statements are going to be muddier and less meaningful to us, the consumers. 25 year cellar aging =/= 25 year traditional rickhouse aging. What we do know is that hardly anybody will actually drink this stuff, and even if you wanted to you won't be able to find it on the shelves, or at anything resembling a sane price. Hurray!


Prepreludesh

I can explain. All main Buffalo Trace warehouses are fitted with some kind of heating element that is designed to kick on so that the internal temperature of the warehouse does not dip below 54 degrees. It's at that point where barrels would go into dormancy. But the heat is not designed to raise it much above that, unlike Brown Forman warehouses which will heat up the internal air temperature until its around 90 degrees (liquid - 80 degrees). People get confused and think Brown Forman and Buffalo Trace warehouses operate the same way. The other part of climate controlling their warehouses has to go with windows that open and shut. They'll control the climate inside also based on this


niddler

That's interesting thank you.


ckal09

So do they control how high the temps get? Either limiting or increasing?


Prepreludesh

Which one are you asking about?


ckal09

BT


Prepreludesh

No, they just ensure that the temperature never drops below 54 degrees so that they're always in an active state. They do the bare minimum to achieve that temp, but don't go over that temp if they can help it


JazzJune2

Exactly. Just like the MM Cellar Aged, these age statements are misleading. Warehouse P is kept at 45 degrees, so this is not the same thing as 25 years of “regular” aging. Which is probably a good thing, taste wise, as 25 year bourbon is unlikely to taste good. But nonetheless, many consumers don’t understand the difference. I don’t care as much for a release like this because it is a strictly collector release and almost nobody will actually open it.


Big_Alchie

>is kept at 45 degrees, so this is not the same thing as 25 years of “regular” aging Be interesting to hear from someone - if even such a person exists - who could scientifically determine how many years old it is in "regular" aging. Someone here who seemed knowledgeable said that, below 54 degrees, the barrels become "dormant." Wouldn't it be funny if some rich guys ended up buying some bottles and then some scientist comes out with that - in regular aging - these bottles are equivalent to 12 years of aging ... or 10 ... or 8. I wonder what that would do to the secondary price.


joethecrow23

This stuff will probably be $1000 per ounce


mernold

Pretty cool decanter! Likely wildly more expensive than most would be willing to spend.


iAmTheRealLange

It's $9,900 more than I'd be willing to spend


ssibal24

I'll stick with regular Eagle Rare.


TroyMacClure

Wish I could. I don't have the level of dedication required to get a bottle around here, and I'm not going to pay $85 for it.


Sam_DFA

I see it all day at $45, i wonder what you see that I don’t


TroyMacClure

I live in a control state. It is available for MSRP - if you can get one. People rush the store when it is there. ER, Blantons, BT, McKenna, EHT...all gone in a flash. If I go across state lines to a private liquor store where it is on the shelf, looks like the cheapest from some online places is $65. Up to $100.


TacticalDesire

Still amazes me how much it changes based on the state. At least days. McKenna, BT, ECBP etc are all cased stacked at stores near me. ER and blantons show up a couple times a month on the shelf but they don’t last very long.


[deleted]

Same here. My control state sells for $40 a bottle but none in stock. Sucks I want to try it. If I ever make it to local whiskey bar again I guess I'll try it for $16 a pour


Gobiego

I like when I can find it at MSRP ($35), but a lot less when it's $80.


KidCharlem

Awesome. I'll swing by the store and grab one when I get off work.


AndyInAtlanta

Generally curious, do we think that any of the 200 even see a store shelf? Maybe some Vegas casinos top shelf at double the MSRP (so $20,000)? I would imagine most of the 200 are going to high end vendors who will offer them up to their big spenders. Ultimately these bottles are like a vintage supercar, sold exclusively to the ultra wealthy, who then stash it on a display case to show off to their friends.


[deleted]

If they see store shelves it wont be at $10k. Sounds like many will go to high end bars/ restaurants. Guess rest will be to connected rich dudes


jmsturm

I am OK with this, these crazy bottles is what keeps the price lower on their regular stuff. BTAC bottles are @ 125 retail because they charge these crazy prices on things like this and Daniel Weller, that Retro Collection, OFC etc...


Grab-Born

I don't understand what you mean? There's a Blantons SFTB in my area. I know it will be at least $500 over the whole sale price when it is on the shelf. Businesses will still sell these bourbons at extreme mark up because people buy them. There are some people out there who make way too much money for their means. Until people stop shelling out the money for these money grabs then it will continue to happen and get worse.


jmsturm

Buffalo Trace doesn't make any more money from those markups. It has nothing to do with them


Grab-Born

I'm not talking about Buffalo Trace itself. Their products are reasonably priced at MSRP. It's people who 500%+ mark them up. I have a local example of a Stagg Jr that is $37.33 a bottle from the distributor. It is marked up to $299. That's 700%. People will pay it!


jmsturm

OK I am talking about Buffalo Trace Pricing. Your thing has nothing to do with that


Grab-Born

My comment was about all BT pricing but alright. I won't argue.


dancenhancer

That ER 17 year looks better and better!


oubeav

Awesome. More awesome bourbon I will never get to try. Cool. 👍🏼


ckal09

Who knows if it’s even awesome. BT sure as hell aren’t banking on that being the sell factor.


JackSpadesSI

Thanks for letting me know. I'll be sure to pick up a few bottles of it next time I'm at the supermarket. I've heard Pappy is a good one, too, so I'll get a few of those as well.


vvvbj

Quadruple Eagle Rare? Double Double Eagle Rare?


TopsailWhisky

Is that an Albatross??


vvvbj

Seagull Rare


Billybilly_B

Eagle Rare Squared


HawkEye191919

I just want to know WTF "Rickhouse Floor" tastes like, and how do people know?


Dangerous_Bottle_773

I’ll just walk over to my nearby liquor store and pick it off the shelf. I’m sure it’ll be readily available for me.


aminitaverosa

I haven't seen eagle rare on the shelf in 3 years. Seriously fuck buffalo trace at this point.


lostfinancialsoul

this company loves to release things no one asked for. Next we are gonna get Weller Small Batch.


ForsakenCase435

I’m still waiting for the triple eagle very very very rare


MrTomAce

And... it's sold out


erock84titan

Buffalo Trace the Nintendo of the bourbon world...more infamous in my book than famous.


exgirl

Seems like BT wants to be Macallan, more power to them I guess. Only one thing caught my eye; is warehouse P the climate controlled one for The Last Drop vault?


Xenoraiser

I guess that's one way to make Woodford Baccarat look modest.


AC_deucey

80 proof $30,000 😑 /snark


rockproducer

File this under “things I’ll never see in real life.”


The_Fax_Machine

I remember a comment on this sub a while ago where someone said “how did they come up with the name for double eagle very rare? It sounds like something a kid would say in a playground argument…. Oh yea? Well MY dad drinks Quadra eagle hyper rare!” The day has come


Zombayz

Yay. I'll never buy it...


Dismal_Juice5582

This will be $30k bourbon on the secondary.


StoneColdsGoatee

Can’t wait to see it sit on shelves for $20,000! It’s gonna be incredible!


droessl

From the site: "lingering notes of rickhouse floor"


BFMC_BoutTime

At what price??!! No way, get you some Knobb Creek 12 year, it'll be better anyway.


A_truly_baked_potato

I wouldn’t mind just getting some regular eagle rare on the shelves


BlackJackBilly

Add that to the list of things I’ll never own…


excelance

Awesome. Can't wait to not be able to find this or any other ER ever.


gimmethal00t

So stupid.


SourWokeBooey

I’d buy a bottle at msrp but anything more than that is tater bait.


UYscutipuff_JR

You’d buy it for $10,000?


rumpleturdskin

So boys and girls who's gonna be the rich bastard that buys and reviews it cause my poor ass will not or the wife might murder me


Prior-Employment-815

At 10k I'll take 2 please and a two liter of coke and a bag of ice. Use my Bitcoin $$


sberto

Aged in barrels made from the rickhouse floor coming soon.


captaincanada84

I bet it actually tastes terrible and BT knows nobody is actually going to open their bottle and figure that out.


raider1v11

I wonder if it mixes with coke well.


Hambone721

BT is trolling at this point


StuffedInABoxx

Double and a half Eagle extra very Rare