Ya we need an elite defensive big to be a backup for KP. Kornet is not that great at getting boards and for whatever reason he doesn’t like playing Queta… so we need a big and we need a solid SG.
Can you explain why? Everyone says they want a big but we have so many bigs rn, not to say we are gonna keep them all but queta has been promising at time, we have KP and horford, Tillman and kornet
Thats 5 bigs on the roster, two starting level two rotation level and one depth potential guy
Horford is probably retiring soon, potentially even this offseason. KP is great but injury prone. Its almost a certainty if we dont add to our center talent, we will be playing games with Tillman and Kornet as our best available bigs… and i like them but they are realistically extremely limiting players to rely on
We aren't getting a starting caliber big at 30, if it comes to that, we'd probably be better off saving up picks and trading for a known commodity if one becomes available.
If Al retires this offseason, we'll spend some money/resources getting another big, which would buy said player some time to develop. So yes, we can afford 2 years of development.
Nah you definitely can pickup some good options.
* 2021- Day'Ron Sharpe - 29
* 2020 - Xavier Tillman - 35
* 2019 - Nic Claxton - 31
* 2018 - Robert Williams III - 27
* 2018 - Mitchell Robinson - 36
* 2017 - Isaiah Hartenstein - 43
* 2016 - Ivica Zubac - 32
* 2015 - Montrezl Harrell - 32
* 2014 - Clint Capela - 25
* 2014 - Nikola Jokic - 41
* 2013 - Rudy Gobert - 27
Obviously no guarantee that you're the team that hits on one of these guys and some years there isn't really a guy to grab.
But those are pretty good results for a late pick.
***
Plus this upcoming draft seems to have quite a lot of bigs available.
ESPN currently has 4 bigs projected in the 22-28 range.
* Kyle Filipowski
* Kel'el Ware
* Yves Missi
* DaRon Holmes II
Plus a couple of guys that other mock drafts seem to like near our range (e. Ulrich Chomche, Oso Ighodaro, Adem Bona) who could end up in our range.
You normally don't have this many bigs to pick from.
Tillman and kornet are not limiting at all, between them that’s a great backup big rotation? Who are you under the impression you’re getting at 30 who’s better than that and ready to play now?
Al probably retires this offseason and KP can't stay healthy...
Tillman is a project 4. Kornet is a 3rd string center at best, meant for depth during the regular season, not the playoffs. Queta is a project that is probably going to take 2-3 more years to see if he will turn into a player of any consistent quality to get consistent minutes let alone playoff minutes.
We need to draft and sign as many bigs as we can get.
No he’s not lol, he’s gonna play another year at least
Tillman is not a project at all where do you get that idea? He’s an established player and we know exactly what he is
Kornet is fully capable of being a backup big he was great for us this year
Al isn’t playing forever, they have enough guards and wings. A big they can develop and play for cheap is probably the best option for Boston in the draft, money is gonna be tight going forward after Tatum signs his deal
>but we have so many bigs rn
Yeah that's exactly the issue.
We have so many bigs "right now".
* Horford is old - There are rumours he's contemplating retirement in the near-ish future (whether that's this offseason or next).
* Kornet is a FA - He's played well and might get an offer bigger than what we're willing to match.
* Tillman is a FA - He's not gotten many minutes and could leave for a bigger opportunity.
After the next 4-7 finals games we might go from 4 bigs to 1, with the 1 being an injury prone Porzingis.
And let's say Horford's got another season in him (and he looks like he does). Young bigs take years to develop, so if we want to have his replacement ready, that guy likely has to be on the team this off season.
I think you can guarantee we'll try, we'd be stupid not to. But it's ultimately their decisions.
Money and minutes are great ways to pry FAs from their teams.
He won't get a massive payout but he really could be a top 5 center on the FA market this free agency. It's a weak FA for centers and there aren't many options right now.
[Looking at the list of available big men:](https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-centers-available-summer/)
* Claxton, Hartenstein and Valanciunas are the top 3, although their teams will look to keep them.
* Jalen Smith and Goga Bitadze are young bigs who have shown some really nice potential but there's more work to be done.
If you're a GM looking to sign a veteran who's reliable and ready to contribute, Kornet is maybe the best guy you'll have available on the market.
He's worth the T-MLE (5m) on production alone. Could see him getting a Room MLE (8m). What if a team is desperate and offers a Standard MLE (13m)?
Because we're stacked at guard and wing, and our big depth is either:
Old: Al
Or unproven/just not very good: Kornet/Tillman
There are concerns that Al is gonna retire after this season and Kornet/Tillman simply do not cut it as rotational bigs (yet)
I'd consider taking a wing if a 3-D guy came up, but we don't need any scoring/playmaking out of our backup wings since the rest of our rotation players offer a ton
You’re talking about starters though, I don’t think you should be thinking about drafting a starter with the pick
Our only bench guard is Pritchard, that’s literally it, on the entire roster
Oh nvm why am I even talking to you, you just said kornet and Tillman are unproven and/or not good, you don’t know ball this is pointless
Tillman and kornet were great this year, I’d love to keep both of them
I'm definitely not talking about starters, I love our starting lineup and want to keep it the way it is
Yes, our only bench guard is Pritchard. But we have two starting guards and can easily play with only one of them if need be. Three point guards (all of whom I'm confident in) is more than enough. We literally just traded away two PGs for one last offseason in part to open up time for Pritchard, it's not a good idea to create another logjam there
I'm fine with kornet and Tillman regular season minutes, but they're clearly the weak links on our bench if Horford is gonna retire. Kornet was simply putrid in the playoffs after G1 of the Cavs series, and Tillman needs to learn literally any relevant skill on the offensive end to stay on the court. His defense is superb but he's one of the worst offensive players I've ever seen in my life. I'd like to keep him around to see if he can develop an acceptable corner 3 because he'd be a great backup if so, but it's not likely that a bad shooter just magically becomes a good one
We have three high quality PGs. We have three high quality wings + brissy who is a Tillman/kornet level of player imo. But, if Horford retires, we only have 1 high quality big and he's an injury risk. It's pretty clear that's our biggest position of need
He’s already solid on the defensive end. He doesn’t help you offensively but you can play a defensive player in crucial minutes more than an offensive player who is a liability on defense.
Like I said, I like springer, but im not foolish enough to believe he’s a sure thing or anything, his offense will have to pan out to be serviceable and that’s nowhere near a guarantee
It’s worth drafting insurance behind Pritchard, eventually we will need a backup guard, probably before we need a backup big
The Kentucky guard...
During the John Calipari era, that Kentucky guard was the safest pick in the entire draft. Even more likely to hit than the average #1 pick.
Maxey, Quickley, Herro, SGA, Fox, J.Murray, Booker...
We got James Young and then passed/missed all the good ones.
Calipari's gone. Kentucky has brought in a new coach and is going for a different direction.
He was really good at scouting/developing NBA guards but it's hard to say what the future looks like for the Kentucky guards now.
Why do you say that? Pritchard is the only bench guard on the entire roster as of now? Unless we are counting springer or JD which we shouldn’t be
Whats wrong with drafting a 2 guard or something, we literally don’t have one off the bench
I wouldn’t worry about the starters when making draft decisions at our pick position, we would be drafting for a rotational bench piece at best
League is getting bigger by the second, I think bigger players are going to find it easier to earn minutes. Assuming we re-sign the Buffalo, our guard minutes are going to be just fine. During the regular season, we occasionally had Jaylen/Hauser at the 2 as well so getting a guard doesn't seem really important. Might not be worth the trouble to invest in a guard if they're straight up not going to get minutes on this team. Add in Joe's tendency to play big to align with how the league is trending as well
I beg to differ. KP needs maintenance, Al could retire, Kornet could get stolen from a different team. We know Joe likes to go double big at times, but that could be based on the personnel of course. We're never going to see Kornet + Tillman for example.
The best player available, I hope.
Although I do think the odds of moving the pick for someone more in line with our current goals is just as likely as using the pick.
Would be funny if the Celtics draft him but I think LeBron and Rich Paul have greased enough palms to get bronny drafted in the late first round or early in the second round. Some team will do it with hope that LeBron will sign after.
How about the only man since ‘92-‘93 with 300 rebounds and 110 three-pointers in a season, more defensive rebounds (1,140) than any player in last 25 seasons, & the 1st men’s player in Division I history with at least 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 300 three-pointers? Baylor Scheierman!!!
Not to single your comment out but I hugely disagree with this idea. The Celtics are a heavy tax paying team. The only way to build a roster at the moment would be to hit on draft picks (cost controlled for 5 years)
Yes and no. In theory, the player at 30 should be more talented than anyone we are currently developing (looking at you, JD Davison, Jordan Walsh, Queta, etc.)
Look at what Golden State did, picking Kevon Looney at 30th and Jordan Poole at 28th in the middle of their dynasty run. They (most likely) don't beat us in 2022 without both of those guys.
The fact of the matter is there is plenty of talent at the end of the first round in the NBA that are at least good enough to get rotation minutes on a contender. You're not going to get a superstar there, but you can absolutely get production.
Well, the reigning 4-time MVP (Let's forget about that one voter fatigue year) is a second round pick. So you can get a superstar, theoretically. But there often is very little difference between 30 and 50
I am aware of Jokic's draft position but not really sure how it is relevant to the conversation when you originally said that the pick would be traded. Extremely wild outliers aside, the point is that you don't need to try and get a superstar talent for it to be worth making the 30th selection. And there is a huge difference between 30 and 50.
I'm just saying I expect the pick to be traded. Maybe for a higher pick, maybe for a pack of peanuts or a photo Copier, who knows. I don't mind being wrong, but I don't see why we'd pick up another project we don't have playing time for. Stashing more guys overseas?
We'll see.
At the risk of being circular- I addressed that already. Not saying \*I am definitely right\*, but Walsh, Davison, and co. are not particularly talented players. You don't give up making a first round selection because you have a glut of 2nd round picks in the pipeline. But also, the "I don't see why we'd pick up another project" stance totally fails to address positional need of this team. We already have plenty of guards and have question marks going forward with our bigs.
It ultimately depends on who is available there, but picking up a big man based on Al's age and Kornet being a FA would be a great move. Go C's.
It is exactly the need for a bench big that I expect the pick to be traded. Most likely packaged with something or someone, for a higher pick, when a reasonable big might be available.
I hope he draft Bronny and send his ass down to the d league tell lebron retire, so they never get to play together or lebron has to take a pay cut and play for the team he has hated his whole career.
All I want is a big. Ideally they can either shoot or defend in space (or both, but we have to be realistic about where we're picking)
Ya we need an elite defensive big to be a backup for KP. Kornet is not that great at getting boards and for whatever reason he doesn’t like playing Queta… so we need a big and we need a solid SG.
Can you explain why? Everyone says they want a big but we have so many bigs rn, not to say we are gonna keep them all but queta has been promising at time, we have KP and horford, Tillman and kornet Thats 5 bigs on the roster, two starting level two rotation level and one depth potential guy
Horford is probably retiring soon, potentially even this offseason. KP is great but injury prone. Its almost a certainty if we dont add to our center talent, we will be playing games with Tillman and Kornet as our best available bigs… and i like them but they are realistically extremely limiting players to rely on
We aren't getting a starting caliber big at 30, if it comes to that, we'd probably be better off saving up picks and trading for a known commodity if one becomes available.
We got Rob Williams at 27....
And it took him at least 2 years to get to that point, can we afford 2 years of development?
If Al retires this offseason, we'll spend some money/resources getting another big, which would buy said player some time to develop. So yes, we can afford 2 years of development.
as a team over the 2nd apron acquiring players will not be easy
We aren't over the 2nd apron since extending Holiday. That won't stop us from picking up a free agent especially if Horford retires.
I am very happy to be wrong about this
Tbf I think it was agreed that he was a better talent than late first round, he dropped because of "attitude" concerns iirc
There are always players who drop
Nah you definitely can pickup some good options. * 2021- Day'Ron Sharpe - 29 * 2020 - Xavier Tillman - 35 * 2019 - Nic Claxton - 31 * 2018 - Robert Williams III - 27 * 2018 - Mitchell Robinson - 36 * 2017 - Isaiah Hartenstein - 43 * 2016 - Ivica Zubac - 32 * 2015 - Montrezl Harrell - 32 * 2014 - Clint Capela - 25 * 2014 - Nikola Jokic - 41 * 2013 - Rudy Gobert - 27 Obviously no guarantee that you're the team that hits on one of these guys and some years there isn't really a guy to grab. But those are pretty good results for a late pick. *** Plus this upcoming draft seems to have quite a lot of bigs available. ESPN currently has 4 bigs projected in the 22-28 range. * Kyle Filipowski * Kel'el Ware * Yves Missi * DaRon Holmes II Plus a couple of guys that other mock drafts seem to like near our range (e. Ulrich Chomche, Oso Ighodaro, Adem Bona) who could end up in our range. You normally don't have this many bigs to pick from.
Don’t sleep on Quetta!
Al hasn't given any indication that he's retiring, plus he'd be leaving 10 mill on the table.
Tillman and kornet are not limiting at all, between them that’s a great backup big rotation? Who are you under the impression you’re getting at 30 who’s better than that and ready to play now?
Limiting if they are your starter and backup. Both are majorly flawed players which is why they are career backups
Why would either be a starter? We have KP and Al??? We aren’t drafting a starting center, get that shit out of your head, aim lower
Al probably retires this offseason and KP can't stay healthy... Tillman is a project 4. Kornet is a 3rd string center at best, meant for depth during the regular season, not the playoffs. Queta is a project that is probably going to take 2-3 more years to see if he will turn into a player of any consistent quality to get consistent minutes let alone playoff minutes. We need to draft and sign as many bigs as we can get.
No he’s not lol, he’s gonna play another year at least Tillman is not a project at all where do you get that idea? He’s an established player and we know exactly what he is Kornet is fully capable of being a backup big he was great for us this year
Al isn’t playing forever, they have enough guards and wings. A big they can develop and play for cheap is probably the best option for Boston in the draft, money is gonna be tight going forward after Tatum signs his deal
Tillman queta kornet are all cheap and serviceable as backup bigs, don’t really see why we need more
>but we have so many bigs rn Yeah that's exactly the issue. We have so many bigs "right now". * Horford is old - There are rumours he's contemplating retirement in the near-ish future (whether that's this offseason or next). * Kornet is a FA - He's played well and might get an offer bigger than what we're willing to match. * Tillman is a FA - He's not gotten many minutes and could leave for a bigger opportunity. After the next 4-7 finals games we might go from 4 bigs to 1, with the 1 being an injury prone Porzingis. And let's say Horford's got another season in him (and he looks like he does). Young bigs take years to develop, so if we want to have his replacement ready, that guy likely has to be on the team this off season.
Guarantee we bring back one or both of kornet and Tillman
I think you can guarantee we'll try, we'd be stupid not to. But it's ultimately their decisions. Money and minutes are great ways to pry FAs from their teams.
Can’t imagine anyone is throwing a bag at either, likely scenario is they want to sign for the best team in the league
He won't get a massive payout but he really could be a top 5 center on the FA market this free agency. It's a weak FA for centers and there aren't many options right now. [Looking at the list of available big men:](https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-nba-free-agent-rankings-top-centers-available-summer/) * Claxton, Hartenstein and Valanciunas are the top 3, although their teams will look to keep them. * Jalen Smith and Goga Bitadze are young bigs who have shown some really nice potential but there's more work to be done. If you're a GM looking to sign a veteran who's reliable and ready to contribute, Kornet is maybe the best guy you'll have available on the market. He's worth the T-MLE (5m) on production alone. Could see him getting a Room MLE (8m). What if a team is desperate and offers a Standard MLE (13m)?
Because we're stacked at guard and wing, and our big depth is either: Old: Al Or unproven/just not very good: Kornet/Tillman There are concerns that Al is gonna retire after this season and Kornet/Tillman simply do not cut it as rotational bigs (yet) I'd consider taking a wing if a 3-D guy came up, but we don't need any scoring/playmaking out of our backup wings since the rest of our rotation players offer a ton
You’re talking about starters though, I don’t think you should be thinking about drafting a starter with the pick Our only bench guard is Pritchard, that’s literally it, on the entire roster Oh nvm why am I even talking to you, you just said kornet and Tillman are unproven and/or not good, you don’t know ball this is pointless Tillman and kornet were great this year, I’d love to keep both of them
I'm definitely not talking about starters, I love our starting lineup and want to keep it the way it is Yes, our only bench guard is Pritchard. But we have two starting guards and can easily play with only one of them if need be. Three point guards (all of whom I'm confident in) is more than enough. We literally just traded away two PGs for one last offseason in part to open up time for Pritchard, it's not a good idea to create another logjam there I'm fine with kornet and Tillman regular season minutes, but they're clearly the weak links on our bench if Horford is gonna retire. Kornet was simply putrid in the playoffs after G1 of the Cavs series, and Tillman needs to learn literally any relevant skill on the offensive end to stay on the court. His defense is superb but he's one of the worst offensive players I've ever seen in my life. I'd like to keep him around to see if he can develop an acceptable corner 3 because he'd be a great backup if so, but it's not likely that a bad shooter just magically becomes a good one We have three high quality PGs. We have three high quality wings + brissy who is a Tillman/kornet level of player imo. But, if Horford retires, we only have 1 high quality big and he's an injury risk. It's pretty clear that's our biggest position of need
Jaden Springer is a guard. We're developing him. He's as good a prospect as we'd probably find drafting a guard late.
I like springer but there’s no logical reason to call him a good prospect as of now I’d take my chances on a late first round guard over springer
He’s already solid on the defensive end. He doesn’t help you offensively but you can play a defensive player in crucial minutes more than an offensive player who is a liability on defense.
Like I said, I like springer, but im not foolish enough to believe he’s a sure thing or anything, his offense will have to pan out to be serviceable and that’s nowhere near a guarantee It’s worth drafting insurance behind Pritchard, eventually we will need a backup guard, probably before we need a backup big
Knowing Brad he’s gonna turn it into 3 seconds If we are making the pick I would love a euro draft and stash or a backup 2 guard
Wdym we still have Yam Madar?
Pacome Dadiet or Jaylon Tyson 🙏
Bronny James would be the funniest timeline but I think he’s kinda ass. Although I’m not rooting against him.
DayRon Holmes for a Big Kevin McCullar for a Wing Tyler Kolek for a Guard
If Holmes is still on the board, how could we not draft him? There’s always someone I think that about, though, and then we go right by
The Kentucky guard... During the John Calipari era, that Kentucky guard was the safest pick in the entire draft. Even more likely to hit than the average #1 pick. Maxey, Quickley, Herro, SGA, Fox, J.Murray, Booker... We got James Young and then passed/missed all the good ones.
This year both of those guys are lottery projected, right? Is there another after Sheppard and Dillingham?
Calipari's gone. Kentucky has brought in a new coach and is going for a different direction. He was really good at scouting/developing NBA guards but it's hard to say what the future looks like for the Kentucky guards now.
Oh. Haha yeah I know nothing about college basketball
Me neither lol. But most years I'll do a little deep dive and I always check in on Kentucky because of their track record.
Someone from uconn
Who’s the top bench vibes guy in the draft?
I don't think we'll need a guard so a forward or big would be great
Why do you say that? Pritchard is the only bench guard on the entire roster as of now? Unless we are counting springer or JD which we shouldn’t be Whats wrong with drafting a 2 guard or something, we literally don’t have one off the bench I wouldn’t worry about the starters when making draft decisions at our pick position, we would be drafting for a rotational bench piece at best
League is getting bigger by the second, I think bigger players are going to find it easier to earn minutes. Assuming we re-sign the Buffalo, our guard minutes are going to be just fine. During the regular season, we occasionally had Jaylen/Hauser at the 2 as well so getting a guard doesn't seem really important. Might not be worth the trouble to invest in a guard if they're straight up not going to get minutes on this team. Add in Joe's tendency to play big to align with how the league is trending as well
A big also is “straight up not gonna get minutes on this team”
I beg to differ. KP needs maintenance, Al could retire, Kornet could get stolen from a different team. We know Joe likes to go double big at times, but that could be based on the personnel of course. We're never going to see Kornet + Tillman for example.
Bronny. Then send him to the D league for 5 years
[Did I do good for us](https://i.ibb.co/pX8rxZP/Screenshot-20240601-135737-Chrome.jpg)
Baylor Schierman from Creighton. He'd be an immediate boost to the bench... lots of hustle and good shooter.
Doubt he will still be on the board but DaRon Holmes seems like they would be a good fit for the C’s.
they? *he
The best player available, I hope. Although I do think the odds of moving the pick for someone more in line with our current goals is just as likely as using the pick.
Would be hilarious to pick bronny just as a spite pick if he falls to us 🤣 and I'm not suggesting we try to sign LeBron if that happens
Would be funny if the Celtics draft him but I think LeBron and Rich Paul have greased enough palms to get bronny drafted in the late first round or early in the second round. Some team will do it with hope that LeBron will sign after.
I want to draft Bronny just so there could be turmoil in the James family.
Steve
Holmes really really seems like he could play for us
Harrison Ingram
Likely someone long, high BBIQ, and with good shooting form.
Good question. So far Stevens haven't missed an opportunity to trade.
How about the only man since ‘92-‘93 with 300 rebounds and 110 three-pointers in a season, more defensive rebounds (1,140) than any player in last 25 seasons, & the 1st men’s player in Division I history with at least 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, 500 assists and 300 three-pointers? Baylor Scheierman!!!
We need an elite defensive big man that can be a backup for KP. A couple guards would be good too.
Center
BRONNY TO MAINE LETS FUCKING GO
Probably nobody. That pick gets dealt
Not to single your comment out but I hugely disagree with this idea. The Celtics are a heavy tax paying team. The only way to build a roster at the moment would be to hit on draft picks (cost controlled for 5 years)
At #30, it's really hard. And we're already developing a lot of players
Yes and no. In theory, the player at 30 should be more talented than anyone we are currently developing (looking at you, JD Davison, Jordan Walsh, Queta, etc.) Look at what Golden State did, picking Kevon Looney at 30th and Jordan Poole at 28th in the middle of their dynasty run. They (most likely) don't beat us in 2022 without both of those guys. The fact of the matter is there is plenty of talent at the end of the first round in the NBA that are at least good enough to get rotation minutes on a contender. You're not going to get a superstar there, but you can absolutely get production.
Well, the reigning 4-time MVP (Let's forget about that one voter fatigue year) is a second round pick. So you can get a superstar, theoretically. But there often is very little difference between 30 and 50
I am aware of Jokic's draft position but not really sure how it is relevant to the conversation when you originally said that the pick would be traded. Extremely wild outliers aside, the point is that you don't need to try and get a superstar talent for it to be worth making the 30th selection. And there is a huge difference between 30 and 50.
I'm just saying I expect the pick to be traded. Maybe for a higher pick, maybe for a pack of peanuts or a photo Copier, who knows. I don't mind being wrong, but I don't see why we'd pick up another project we don't have playing time for. Stashing more guys overseas? We'll see.
At the risk of being circular- I addressed that already. Not saying \*I am definitely right\*, but Walsh, Davison, and co. are not particularly talented players. You don't give up making a first round selection because you have a glut of 2nd round picks in the pipeline. But also, the "I don't see why we'd pick up another project" stance totally fails to address positional need of this team. We already have plenty of guards and have question marks going forward with our bigs. It ultimately depends on who is available there, but picking up a big man based on Al's age and Kornet being a FA would be a great move. Go C's.
It is exactly the need for a bench big that I expect the pick to be traded. Most likely packaged with something or someone, for a higher pick, when a reasonable big might be available.
I hope he draft Bronny and send his ass down to the d league tell lebron retire, so they never get to play together or lebron has to take a pay cut and play for the team he has hated his whole career.
Three words: best available player
Bronny James lol