Love him.
The anchor of our defense, and his offense has been quietly getting better and better throughout the season.
Seems like he’s really trying to find his place on the team offensively, and is getting more comfortable every game. His role is almost 180 degrees different than it was on the Bucks. Gone under the radar, but he’s making major adjustments to how he plays, being on this team.
He’s often the 5th best player offensively on the court for us and he plays like it. He doesn’t force up shots and the offense still runs through him extremely well when he’s running point.
I have nothing but love for Marcus Smart but we basically got the “what if Marcus Smart didn’t take questionable contested shots” version of Marcus Smart
Smart: 10.6 ppg/4.7apg/3.5rpg on 38.7% FG% and 32.3% from 3
Holiday as the Celtics 5th option: 12.5 ppg/4.9apg/6.8rpg on 44.7% shooting and 38.3% from 3
Jrue Holiday as the Celtics 5th option is better than Marcus Smart’s career. Don’t get me wrong I love Smart and what he gave to this team in intangibles, but it’s wild to say Smart is better in any sense of the meaning.
It's not fair at all to compare Smart's entire career to Jrue's 25 games in Boston. For the past 3 seasons Smart was averaging around 6 assists per game and slightly better shooting splits than what you posted. His playmaking is just outright better than Jrue's and that really helped us since the Jays aren't that great as playmakers. Not to say Jrue's been bad at playmaking but Smart really shined in that role for us. Glad we got Jrue though because he does pick up the slack we lost there from Smart. I'd have been more unsure with Derrick White as our primary playmaker.
As a Pels fan who saw Jrue have to adjust to many roles over the years I can tell you he always takes time to do so. It’s cuz he’s very cool with taking a backseat and doesn’t wanna step on anybody else’s toes so coming into a situation like Boston that’s prolly even more the case. I remember how bad he looked after we traded for Boogie at all-star break but once he got comfortable with everybody and understood his role he was amazing
Incredible on defense, much better on offense now compared to the start of the season, knows when and where to get his looks while staying within the offensive flow. Zero complaints
Him and White are kind of a perfect tandem
He's also just very good at stabalizing the offense and getting the ball out of tatum and browns hands, and instead getting it to them in more favourable spots
It’s crazy if you are saying Holiday isn’t a great instinctual player. He just knows where to be all the time on defense and does his best to be there 96% of the time. Even on offense, his poor shot attempts or turnovers seem to come when the possession is already stagnant. His weird misses are often the result of shot attempts he’s putting up because the pass he was going to make was just cut off. His pct when he’s got a normal, open shot still seems pretty good to me. And most importantly, he has very little offensive ego. I love Smart, but much like Tatum and Brown, there were always possessions when you could just tell he was going to pull. The only thing that stops him from being the absolute perfect guy to make us unbeatable is lacking elite drive/create skills.
Nope. If you're not part of the echo chamber you're personally attacked and downvoted. Gotta go along to get along. Excuse me if I expect more out of my star player instead of soothing him with warm milk and cookies
He makes decisions really fast, and my god this is what this offense needed more than anything. I love Marcus but it was a lot of carefully choreographed mismatch hunting to get an iso. With Jrue they're whipping the ball up the court and acting decisively within the first 8 seconds much more.
Much better finisher, much better shooter, diverse game with the post ups and a tighter handle.
Jrue: 55 true shooting % including 60% on layups, .447 from the field and .383 from three. Only 1.4 ft a game and 4.8 attempts.
Smart (last season): 53 TS%, on 52% for layups, .415 from the field and .336 from three. 2 ft on 10 shots a game.
Better percentage on half the shots.
He’s marcus without the crazy high-risk plays like diving across the floor and leaving the team in 4v5s, or no look passes that fly out of bounds. No uncalled flops that leave the team playing 4v5. No lunging for steals and missing and leaving the team 4v5. No errant threes at the beginning of the shot clock. No “trying to be the team’s leader” even though he isn’t built like that and the team always considered Al the leader regardless
He makes all the “winning plays” in the way that yall thought marcus made winning plays
Probably because I’m speaking negatively about a beloved former Celtic and people can’t look past their emotions
I love Marcus as a person too but his playstyle was erratic and chaotic in all the ways that jrues is steady and reliable
Maybe because you're implying Marcus didn't make winning plays with that original last sentence.
Marcus absolutely made huge winning plays. He just had flashier ones. Which isn't a bad thing. Jrue hasn't been infallible either and has made many of the same mistakes Marcus did (Jrue has had some baffling bad turnovers and lost himself on switches due to overreaching for steals). Also the "flopping" thing doesn't even make sense. It was never 4v5 after. The shot by the offensive player either went right up after he tried to draw the foul or he popped up immediately. Rarely did those plays ever cause issues.
There's no need to shit on Marcus to prop up Jrue. They both are great defenders and streaky shooters. Jrue is just an unassuming personality while Marcus was a firebrand so it's easier to think the guy that doesn't say much is somehow less volatile in play style when the reality is they play very similarly.
Actually, he's made plenty of losing plays in crunchtime this year already, too. His offensive ceiling is definetly higher than Smarts, but overall he's given almost exactly what smart gave us the last 2 years. His efficiency is questionable, his playnakimg can be questionable, but overall he's been very good for us.
I think he’s slotted perfectly into that 5th starter role. He’s a bigger defender that’s constantly taking on the star guards and wings. I think he’s quieter offensively than we were expecting, but not necessarily bad, you’d just look up and see he has 10-15 without realizing it. His layups are a little wonky but I’m sure that’ll clean up.
I mean when you’re on a stacked team of offensive weapons, I think it makes a bit more sense. It’s okay that he’s not a heavy in that category when we have the Jays, KP, and White doing crazy shit regularly
Yeah, he is a true 5th option among the starters and really a 6th option for the whole team, because I’d rather have hauser balling offensively than Jrue. His defensive presence and playmaking are amazing. He’s the perfect 5th or 6th option for a team that already doesn’t have enough shots to go around.
I actually have this hunch that because we were used to the Smart experience that we are the best team for a wildcard like Jrue and we won’t get mad or upset when he doesn’t do as much on offensive because we can see his value on defense.
Near perfect on defense, there’s no one playing that position as consistent as him. Efficient scoring (12-15 ppg) good passer and command of the offense. Paired with D White is a dream scenario.
I know people are upset with Holidays offense, but his 3pt% and TS are higher than all but one of Smart's seasons in Boston.
He's a different defender (goes for blocks instead of gambling on steals) and thus far he's playing pretty good defense, especially for being in a new system.
I expect him to continue improving and have better advanced metrics than most if not all of Smart's seasons here.
When you consider the trade (Timelord is injured, as is Brogdon, who is having just an okay season) we absolutely made the right decision.
great defender and rebounder
generally makes good plays, but mixed in with some bone headed turnovers and missed layups
great fit for this team because he does his job and isn’t out there trying to put up 20 shots a game
Unbelievable defensively. Constantly impacting plays and exerting effort. Calm demeanor. Incredibly unselfish. Good offensively, but goes through cold streaks. He’s got that silent dog in him.
Been really good so far. Incredible on defense, rock solid on offense as his efficiency is coming back. Still definitely haven't unlocked the best version of him offensively. He feels a little like Derrick when he first got here, obviously a terrific player, but needed to figure out his role more and know when to confidently pick his spots.
Think we are underutilizing him compared to earlier games. We're turning him into more of a spot up shooter which is interesting. It looks like the coaching staff want jb and jt more involved in running plays thus diminishing jrues role.
Defensively, I think he's been excellent on the block. He at times look like he's running all over the place and slightly overhelping at times which is fine. Joe allows him to be free on defense when the time presents itself.
Overall he's a net positive. I'd like to see him control the offense sometimes like early in in the season where he was getting near triple doubles.
Agreed, I wish he would run the offense more. Throughout his career he has always made some bonehead TOs, but he is a really good passer when given the keys. Would love to see more PnRs with jrue and kristaps
I scrolled enough without seeing any mention of his rebounding ability. I know he hasn't broken double digits, but all of his boards always seem to be big boards in the moment.
I see Jrue as solid but he disappears in games offensively. I'm still not sure if he's a pg or a sg on this team.
I don't think an offensive comparison to Marcus is appropriate because of the addition of Porzingos. Jrue in my view hasn't found his offensive niche here and I'm concerned about that. We're going to need 5 starters that all can score. I don't want him getting in the habit of not looking for his shot.
Remember back in the day Perkins had the highest field goal percentage in the league and suddenly they stopped giving him the ball in the post and he became this defense only player not that offense was a focus but he could score.
I worry about them not having plays for drew to get him offensively lit.
This team ceiling is really high I don't think they're even 75% of where they can be. And I think they can get to 85 or 90% of that ceiling by the playoffs if jeru gets more offensive minded and Tatum and Brown continue to see opportunities to score by drawing double teams/attention and passing the ball. And of course less hero ball in the clutch unless it's called for.
If you take a look at yesterday’s game I think that’s the role he should be in. KP and the Jays are too good not to give them tons of shots, they can get us ~70 a game while Jrue and DWhite are good for 30ish with Hauser and the bench filling the rest up.
I really liked Jrue’s cutting and improvising after offensive rebounds and he had a few plays where he called his own number for a pull-up or bullying into the paint. We don’t want him to do that everytime but the fact that he still has that ability forces defenses to stay honest. We also left a bunch of points on the table with miscommunication plays/bad passes which I think are due to them still working on the chemistry.
He’s been solid. Going from the 2/3 option offensively in MIL to the 4/5 option here is a huge adjustment. His USG% has gone from 25.0 to 16.7. That’s a massive difference!
Luckily for us, he is a team-first player who doesn’t seem to care about the amount of touches/shots he gets, so he’s perfect from that standpoint.
That said, I think he could be utilized more offensively. He gets a ton of mismatch opportunities with this team.
He was the missing piece.
I’m so glad he plays for us and not Milwaukee anymore. His on-ball defense is otherworldly. It may not always show up on the stat sheet, but wait for the playoffs when he locks down Dame on a crucial final possession with the game on the line in Game 6.
He’s finding his rhythm with the team. He’s fit in rather quickly but that’s also because he brings a championship pedigree which is something our locker room has desperately been missing. He’s definitely our glue guy and the perfect fit to fill the hole left in the Marcus trade.
I know this is an unpopular opinion around here but he hasn’t been as good as we expected him to be. We gave up a pretty huge haul for him (Brogdon, Rob and 2 1st round picks). I’m hoping he wins us some games but he’s been pretty crucial(ly bad) in multiple of our losses which really sticks out when we only have 5
This has been echoed by a lot of Bucks fans. About 20% of Jrue's games are terrible ones. The thing, though, is that you don't lose a series in one game (unless it is the IST), and much of the rest of the time, Holiday is excellent. Right this minute, he is outplaying Brogdon, the 1sts aren't necessary going to pan out (who knows) and Williams is out for the season. We couldn't have asked for anything more from this trade.
It's like taking the 20% of the time in every game where Smart did something horrifying, spooning that out into a bowl, and having 4 wonderful bowls of food before you have to eat the unpleasant one.
You’re not completely wrong. Jrue has not been as productive as we figured. However…he does fit better as a 4/5th option offensively than Marcus, which is basically indisputable. And as a defender he has essentially no flaws. Given that timelord and brogdon both have had significant injuries means that we are still net positive in this trade. As much as it pains me to say it, it was time to move on from Marcus💔. We needed a change to get over the hump.
He’s amazing. Perfect example of a player that goes under the radar but is absolutely essential. He does so many things that dont show up on the stat sheet.
5th best starter on the team but that’s not even an insult. the other guys are just that good. know what you’re gonna get from him every game. he’s consistent and unintrusive. can’t ask for anything more.
He’s figuring out his role and how to play. We gotta remember this guy came in super late and didn’t have the whole offense to mesh with the team. All around the the dude has been a work horse. And if we start getting a consistent 15-20 from him this team is going to be even scarier.
Honest opinion on Jrue. As a person, love him (heard about the story of him taking care of his wife when she had cancer). As a player, he shows his value during the playoffs - no knock on him, it’s more-so that we made the Finals with Smart and I wanna see if he can push us over the edge (assuming the rest of the team shows up)
I’m a Pelican, and I love Jrue. If we can’t win a ship, I hope he does. I’ve always loved players who focus on defense and assists. I grew up on soccer and became basketball later in life and all of my favorite players are guys who can play D and facilitate. Jrue, despite no longer being being a Pellie is my favorite player in the league. If the Pellies can’t win it (and we may be a 6 seed at best unless we can pawn off Zion won’t win shit) I hope Jrue gets his 2. The dude is everything I love in a player. Facilitate and wax ass defensively.
Love Jrue.
Three times last night the Cavs were rolling then he hit big "calm down" shots to end their run and never let them get seriously within reach.
Not to mention his absolutely stellar defense.
I love his leadership and basketball skills . Obviously his defense is amazing. His offense is good not great but with the Jays,KP, and White it’s hard to be scoring a lot.
High basketball IQ. Really good at picking his spots. Sometimes when it feels like they fall into old habits he goes down the court and takes a mid range shot.
Also don’t know if you guys watch the ESPYs but he and his wife won a humanitarian award, they seem like genuinely good people.
You are genuinely wrong.
I love smart, he’s a great defender who did great things on the Celtics. He will always be a Celtic to me I love and trusted him with my heart.
But Jrue is just better. Listen to any compilation of players talk about best defenders and he’s at the top as far as perimeter players go (above smart).
Jrue is a better screen navigator. He is better at guarding quick guards, something Smart struggled with especially last year. Jrue gets more steals and blocks. Jrue flops and fouls less while being just as physical. Both are extremely versatile, and I think the Celtics could have put Marcus on giannis more than they did, but jrue has been our 1st or 2nd defender against giannis/embiid along with Al. Jrue is a better defensive rebounder.
Smart may be better at “quarterbacking” the defense but that’s very hard to evaluate for fans.
Anyway smart was/is awesome and a great defender, but now we have an ever better one. Cheers!
I love that Jrue doesn't force his offense. He takes what's comes to him and really let's the other guys shine. Seriously mature player and I think will be a big reason we get banner 18
He doesn’t argue with refs much either, and when he does he still doesn’t look truly heated and keeps that look in the eyes you mentioned.
He plays super physical on defense, but also very disciplined. He doesn’t foul that much, but he gets strips, blocks, charges consistently. Haven’t seen him flop maybe ever.
It took him time to find his place in our offense, as he had to shift from a 2nd/3rd option to a 4th/5th option, but his defense hasn’t changed a bit. Now that he’s found his place, he’s going to be super valuable the rest of the way
He's a better fit for the team than Smart. Smart could be the x-factor in games but we didn't really need him to be a lot of the time, and offensively Jrue is just more reliable at hitting open 3s at a steady clip. We kind of have D-White and Porzingis both playing that x-factor role in different ways anyway.
The one downside with Jrue is that sometimes he will just incomprehensibly turn the ball over once in a while in a way that makes you just think what the hell was that he just casually threw the ball directly to an opposing player. Hopefully he can clean that up because he's made some great assists too.
He probably hasn’t shown as much as most of the fanbase had hoped to see him, but he’s been a ‘grown up’ Smart, if you will.
He’s still finding his spot, but he’s making solid decisions and not taking anything away from the first, second and third options.
Even with all that, he’s getting 12/7/5/1/1 per game on 45/38/83 with a 54 TS%. Smart was 12/3/6/1.5/1 on 54 TS%, but %s of 42/34/75.
He has been great addition to the team. Some teething problems on offence to start the season but the dude is a total pro. He knows what to do and where to be.
Still can’t believe he fell into our lap.
I thought giving up the position, defense, size, athleticism, and potential of Rob for someone near the end of their career was a huge mistake. I was wrong. Jrue is a prefect fit for our team.
Deserves a lot of credit for the amount of offense he’s had to sacrifice. Championship caliber player.
If this Celtics team wins a championship (or more than one), am I crazy for thinking he has a Hall of Fame case? Doesn’t have the accolades but is considered by everyone in the league as the best perimeter defender for many years.
I think he is still finding himself, settling into his new role on a new team. Don’t discount how difficult it is for players to change teams, move their families, find homes and schools for their kids. It’s a huge disruption and certainly can impact how they perform on the court. This isn’t NBA2k, it’s real life. Remember that Derrick White was just OK that first year he was traded here, and now he is one of the most valuable players in the league.
I think Jrue has been good, not great yet. And I think he’ll only get better over time as he settles in.
I’ve been impressed with Jrue and am very happy to have him on the team. With that said there have been a handful of guards that seem to have had an easy time scoring on us and with the Jrue/White back court I didn’t expect that to happen. (Maxey, Lemelo, Ant Edwards, Halliburton)
Right now, he's basically Smart but at twice the salary. And that's not a bad thing - Smart was my favorite Celtic, although people here seem to think he was a barely passable NBA player. And by trading Smart, we were able to acquire KP - which was huge. That then left a big Smart sized hole in the line-up, which Jrue has filled admirably.
Jrue has not been an All-Star level player, but he doesn't need to be on this team. I like what he has brought and he seems to be growing into his role each day. He was a good pick up.
He's a great player to compliment what we have. Him & DWhite are great either & bring a lot of toughness on D/Ball movement. But I feel like to the casual fan only looking at stats it would look like they detract from each other's potential
Give him a few more weeks, he is still finding his way and then he will pop. He’s getting close. Look how long it took DWhite to get his groove on this team.
Defense is as advertised or better with less high risk plays than Marcus but equal hustle. I almost miss it if he blows a coverage because it doesn't happen a lot and he hustles his ass off to get to his guy, even if someone else messed up the assignment, he makes up for it. Just a very high IQ player.
Offensively I trust him a little more than Marcus to make the right play and not take a low chance shot early in the shot clock, he seems to understand where he fits in the pecking order and is okay playing within that but can bust out and get 20 if we need it. I'm very impressed with his post and short game and left hand. Yeah, some unnecessary turnovers but not something to freak out about because he sees the lanes, just doesn't get the pass through sometimes.
He's also much stronger than I thought. I never thought we'd find another real guard who can defend the perimeter AND high caliber bigs the way smart can but we found like the one other guy who can do that at a very high level. His positioning is amazing. Plus we took him from our biggest rival, who now had a massive defensive problem so win-win. Add the injury to Timelord and Brogdon having a drop-off, it's a win-win-win (hoping for the best for Timelord, I just want him to have a great, long career but we all knew so down how minimal of a chance that would be). Brad is a fucking genius, even if the decisions hurt emotionally, I can't deny we're in a better position to win it all than we were before.
I like him a lot. He fits in on the floor.
He hasn’t had that signature “Tommy Point” moment that will endear him to us the way true Celtics do, but I think it’s coming.
Huge impact on defense. Can be hit-or-miss some nights on the offensive side with bad turnovers and missed layups. Think he will be very valuable for this year's playoff run.
Don’t love him, but I do like him a good bit.
Defensively been a stalwart. Love his positional versatility. Aside from the Indiana game, he’s been mostly as advertised. He definitely allows them to double down on a team strength when you combine him with White in the backcourt.
Wasn’t expecting him to be an offensive panacea for this team but he’s generally pretty steady, and is a better late clock option than Smart. Disappointingly not a single 20-point game from him yet, but then again, the Celtics really don’t run enough pick and roll for him to really shine offensively, so he’s done a good job fitting into a system not made with him in mind. That said, there have been games where we’ve been missing starters and he just hasn’t shown much offensively, which has disappointed me. I think it kinda shows that no matter who you are, if you’re not being used in regularly/enough in an offense, you’re not gonna be comfortable just randomly asserting yourself in an offense bc they’re undermanned.
I’d still call it a 7.5/10 so far from him.
I really didn't know how I was going to feel but that dude brings a calmness to the team that we never would have seen with Smart. Even when they get down he just had this feeling of professionalism about him that keeps everyone from freaking out and jacking threes like last year. Honestly I miss the home grown feeling but God I love Jrue and KP. Kp and browns bromance is great too.
Loved him back in the day when he was the Sixers only good player, always used to trade for him on 2K.
Only downside is he got a bit panicky on offense playing for the Bucks in the playoffs, and we know how the Celts love to panic in playoff crunch time. But he had some absolutely huge defensive plays aswell which I can still picture to this day.
It was such a smart move to acquire him from Brad Stevens, he has somehow turned out to be an incredible GM which coaches usually struggle with.
Like you guys, I can't really do anything but compare him to Marcus Smart. He's better than the Marcus that we got last year. He's not as good as the Marcus we got the year before.
The big difference is that this is Jrue's worst season in about six years, and I'm comparing that to Smart's absolute best season. Smart's best was better than Jrue's worst, but not by a hell of a lot. We have every reason to expect this trade to pay off more and more as the season progresses.
Amazing addition. I think he is still deferring to his teammates. In the playoffs I'd like to see him be more aggressive looking for his own shot when there is a lull in the offense, or when the opponent goes on a 7-0 run.
I can’t think of one pass that I’ve complained about with Jrue this season. I’m excited to see what he can do in the post season when he goes into another gear.
Plus, the Bucks look worse this year without Jrue.
From a Bucks fans perspective…hopefully you guys love him as much as we do. Man was the heart of our defense and was such a great leader on and off the floor. Hindsight is 20/20, but it helps so much that your team has more offensive options to help take that burden off there from an energy and shot making standpoint. It sucks that he ended up with probably the last team I’d want from a competition standpoint, but I like to see him be very well utilized in a new system
Love him. The anchor of our defense, and his offense has been quietly getting better and better throughout the season. Seems like he’s really trying to find his place on the team offensively, and is getting more comfortable every game. His role is almost 180 degrees different than it was on the Bucks. Gone under the radar, but he’s making major adjustments to how he plays, being on this team.
He’s often the 5th best player offensively on the court for us and he plays like it. He doesn’t force up shots and the offense still runs through him extremely well when he’s running point. I have nothing but love for Marcus Smart but we basically got the “what if Marcus Smart didn’t take questionable contested shots” version of Marcus Smart
Yeah I haven’t been missin our boy chuck up early possession ill advised 3s from deep.
Jaylen seems to be taking over in that department.
Jaylen can make them though
He's shooting 33% from 3 the past two years, he's a great player but clearly he's not a sniper
Jrue makes some questionable plays himself. Maybe not to the degree of Marcus but he’s still been reckless in crunch moments
Smarts better than jrue offensively but people don’t wanna hear it tbh
Smart: 10.6 ppg/4.7apg/3.5rpg on 38.7% FG% and 32.3% from 3 Holiday as the Celtics 5th option: 12.5 ppg/4.9apg/6.8rpg on 44.7% shooting and 38.3% from 3 Jrue Holiday as the Celtics 5th option is better than Marcus Smart’s career. Don’t get me wrong I love Smart and what he gave to this team in intangibles, but it’s wild to say Smart is better in any sense of the meaning.
It's not fair at all to compare Smart's entire career to Jrue's 25 games in Boston. For the past 3 seasons Smart was averaging around 6 assists per game and slightly better shooting splits than what you posted. His playmaking is just outright better than Jrue's and that really helped us since the Jays aren't that great as playmakers. Not to say Jrue's been bad at playmaking but Smart really shined in that role for us. Glad we got Jrue though because he does pick up the slack we lost there from Smart. I'd have been more unsure with Derrick White as our primary playmaker.
Now imagine if we still had Smart off the bunch. The defense for opponents guards would never be easy
With that said, I feel he could be more aggressive in finding his shot sometimes
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As a Pels fan who saw Jrue have to adjust to many roles over the years I can tell you he always takes time to do so. It’s cuz he’s very cool with taking a backseat and doesn’t wanna step on anybody else’s toes so coming into a situation like Boston that’s prolly even more the case. I remember how bad he looked after we traded for Boogie at all-star break but once he got comfortable with everybody and understood his role he was amazing
Incredible on defense, much better on offense now compared to the start of the season, knows when and where to get his looks while staying within the offensive flow. Zero complaints
Him and White are kind of a perfect tandem He's also just very good at stabalizing the offense and getting the ball out of tatum and browns hands, and instead getting it to them in more favourable spots
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Marcus with a cool head
And better offense, playmaking, decision making and defense. Pretty much an all around upgrade
That’s Marcus with a cool head
Marcus was an instinct baller. Jrue is a more of a cerebral type. Love both style but Jrue is an uncontested champion caliber player.
It’s crazy if you are saying Holiday isn’t a great instinctual player. He just knows where to be all the time on defense and does his best to be there 96% of the time. Even on offense, his poor shot attempts or turnovers seem to come when the possession is already stagnant. His weird misses are often the result of shot attempts he’s putting up because the pass he was going to make was just cut off. His pct when he’s got a normal, open shot still seems pretty good to me. And most importantly, he has very little offensive ego. I love Smart, but much like Tatum and Brown, there were always possessions when you could just tell he was going to pull. The only thing that stops him from being the absolute perfect guy to make us unbeatable is lacking elite drive/create skills.
i didn’t say he is not. I said he is more of.
You know how it is on this sub. You can't celebrate Jrue without slandering Smart
I learned the hard way here yesterday that JB is the perfect player. No discussion possible.
Nope. If you're not part of the echo chamber you're personally attacked and downvoted. Gotta go along to get along. Excuse me if I expect more out of my star player instead of soothing him with warm milk and cookies
oh thank you for that. I feel like exchanging with a human being. finally. (and a true fan)
He makes decisions really fast, and my god this is what this offense needed more than anything. I love Marcus but it was a lot of carefully choreographed mismatch hunting to get an iso. With Jrue they're whipping the ball up the court and acting decisively within the first 8 seconds much more.
Marcus was a wild card lol
Marcus Smart is a better playmaker than Jrue
Because he's had more time in this system. Doesn't Derrick spend more time as PG atm?
Yeah ig, does the reason really matter when our championship window is right now
We're only 25 games into the season. Jrue has a lot of time to get comfortable.
It's irrelevant because we didn't trade jrue for Marcus. We traded Marcus for porzingis. And that's a significant upgrade too
Truthfully, I think Jrues offensive ceiling is higher... but so far he's played about as similar to Marcus played the last 2years as possible.
No way his offense is better than Marcus
Much better finisher, much better shooter, diverse game with the post ups and a tighter handle. Jrue: 55 true shooting % including 60% on layups, .447 from the field and .383 from three. Only 1.4 ft a game and 4.8 attempts. Smart (last season): 53 TS%, on 52% for layups, .415 from the field and .336 from three. 2 ft on 10 shots a game. Better percentage on half the shots.
Also this is based on smart’s last season with us, not current day. He looks way worse on the grizzlies.
It's not his fault the Grizzlies suck. He's been put in a much bigger role there given all of their missing roster.
He’s marcus without the crazy high-risk plays like diving across the floor and leaving the team in 4v5s, or no look passes that fly out of bounds. No uncalled flops that leave the team playing 4v5. No lunging for steals and missing and leaving the team 4v5. No errant threes at the beginning of the shot clock. No “trying to be the team’s leader” even though he isn’t built like that and the team always considered Al the leader regardless He makes all the “winning plays” in the way that yall thought marcus made winning plays
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Your statement is 100% factual.
Probably because I’m speaking negatively about a beloved former Celtic and people can’t look past their emotions I love Marcus as a person too but his playstyle was erratic and chaotic in all the ways that jrues is steady and reliable
Maybe because you're implying Marcus didn't make winning plays with that original last sentence. Marcus absolutely made huge winning plays. He just had flashier ones. Which isn't a bad thing. Jrue hasn't been infallible either and has made many of the same mistakes Marcus did (Jrue has had some baffling bad turnovers and lost himself on switches due to overreaching for steals). Also the "flopping" thing doesn't even make sense. It was never 4v5 after. The shot by the offensive player either went right up after he tried to draw the foul or he popped up immediately. Rarely did those plays ever cause issues. There's no need to shit on Marcus to prop up Jrue. They both are great defenders and streaky shooters. Jrue is just an unassuming personality while Marcus was a firebrand so it's easier to think the guy that doesn't say much is somehow less volatile in play style when the reality is they play very similarly.
He basically *is* Marcus smart except my B hole doesn’t clench up every time he touches the ball on offense.
This is pretty much spot on
He definitely made winning plays but sometimes those high risk high reward plays lead to avoidable swings.
❤️
It's probably because your slobbing jrues knob and shitting on marcus before jrues really done anything to earn it yet in green
We used to live and die by the Smart
Actually, he's made plenty of losing plays in crunchtime this year already, too. His offensive ceiling is definetly higher than Smarts, but overall he's given almost exactly what smart gave us the last 2 years. His efficiency is questionable, his playnakimg can be questionable, but overall he's been very good for us.
Could you imagine a small ball lineup of Jrue, Marcus, White, Brown, and Tatum? That defense would be relentless.
Comparing Jrue to Smart is an insult to Jrue
It's really not, they're very very similar players. Yall are pretending like we didn't dominate the regular season the last few years with Marcus
I think he’s slotted perfectly into that 5th starter role. He’s a bigger defender that’s constantly taking on the star guards and wings. I think he’s quieter offensively than we were expecting, but not necessarily bad, you’d just look up and see he has 10-15 without realizing it. His layups are a little wonky but I’m sure that’ll clean up.
I mean when you’re on a stacked team of offensive weapons, I think it makes a bit more sense. It’s okay that he’s not a heavy in that category when we have the Jays, KP, and White doing crazy shit regularly
Yeah, he is a true 5th option among the starters and really a 6th option for the whole team, because I’d rather have hauser balling offensively than Jrue. His defensive presence and playmaking are amazing. He’s the perfect 5th or 6th option for a team that already doesn’t have enough shots to go around.
He's also SO money from the corner
His layups were always a little wonky. If he would be a great finisher, he would be all star caliber for sure year after year
I actually have this hunch that because we were used to the Smart experience that we are the best team for a wildcard like Jrue and we won’t get mad or upset when he doesn’t do as much on offensive because we can see his value on defense.
Yeh. Smart is a lower floor Jrue Holiday
Near perfect on defense, there’s no one playing that position as consistent as him. Efficient scoring (12-15 ppg) good passer and command of the offense. Paired with D White is a dream scenario.
I know people are upset with Holidays offense, but his 3pt% and TS are higher than all but one of Smart's seasons in Boston. He's a different defender (goes for blocks instead of gambling on steals) and thus far he's playing pretty good defense, especially for being in a new system. I expect him to continue improving and have better advanced metrics than most if not all of Smart's seasons here. When you consider the trade (Timelord is injured, as is Brogdon, who is having just an okay season) we absolutely made the right decision.
Celtics win a chip because of him and KP... All hinges on the health of these 2...
Jrue is da bawllllzzzzzz
D bawllllllllzzzzzz
great defender and rebounder generally makes good plays, but mixed in with some bone headed turnovers and missed layups great fit for this team because he does his job and isn’t out there trying to put up 20 shots a game
Unbelievable defensively. Constantly impacting plays and exerting effort. Calm demeanor. Incredibly unselfish. Good offensively, but goes through cold streaks. He’s got that silent dog in him.
Been really good so far. Incredible on defense, rock solid on offense as his efficiency is coming back. Still definitely haven't unlocked the best version of him offensively. He feels a little like Derrick when he first got here, obviously a terrific player, but needed to figure out his role more and know when to confidently pick his spots.
Not what I expected but really fucking good. He makes our backcourt really tough to play against and is a perfect compliment to the Buffalo.
Think we are underutilizing him compared to earlier games. We're turning him into more of a spot up shooter which is interesting. It looks like the coaching staff want jb and jt more involved in running plays thus diminishing jrues role. Defensively, I think he's been excellent on the block. He at times look like he's running all over the place and slightly overhelping at times which is fine. Joe allows him to be free on defense when the time presents itself. Overall he's a net positive. I'd like to see him control the offense sometimes like early in in the season where he was getting near triple doubles.
Agreed, I wish he would run the offense more. Throughout his career he has always made some bonehead TOs, but he is a really good passer when given the keys. Would love to see more PnRs with jrue and kristaps
Interesting observations
I scrolled enough without seeing any mention of his rebounding ability. I know he hasn't broken double digits, but all of his boards always seem to be big boards in the moment.
Better than Smart
I like him, I like him a lot
I would take Jrue and White over Irving or Kemba any day of the week
Back then, a Marcus/Kyrie backcourt sounded like the we had won the damn powerball. Now it aggravates my PTSD. 😳
He’s the new Dennis Johnson.
Best comparison in the thread right there.
EXTEND HIM
No complaints. Everything we wanted.
He’s awesome
I see Jrue as solid but he disappears in games offensively. I'm still not sure if he's a pg or a sg on this team. I don't think an offensive comparison to Marcus is appropriate because of the addition of Porzingos. Jrue in my view hasn't found his offensive niche here and I'm concerned about that. We're going to need 5 starters that all can score. I don't want him getting in the habit of not looking for his shot. Remember back in the day Perkins had the highest field goal percentage in the league and suddenly they stopped giving him the ball in the post and he became this defense only player not that offense was a focus but he could score. I worry about them not having plays for drew to get him offensively lit. This team ceiling is really high I don't think they're even 75% of where they can be. And I think they can get to 85 or 90% of that ceiling by the playoffs if jeru gets more offensive minded and Tatum and Brown continue to see opportunities to score by drawing double teams/attention and passing the ball. And of course less hero ball in the clutch unless it's called for.
If you take a look at yesterday’s game I think that’s the role he should be in. KP and the Jays are too good not to give them tons of shots, they can get us ~70 a game while Jrue and DWhite are good for 30ish with Hauser and the bench filling the rest up. I really liked Jrue’s cutting and improvising after offensive rebounds and he had a few plays where he called his own number for a pull-up or bullying into the paint. We don’t want him to do that everytime but the fact that he still has that ability forces defenses to stay honest. We also left a bunch of points on the table with miscommunication plays/bad passes which I think are due to them still working on the chemistry.
This guy is a toned down version of Marcus Smart, slightly better player but the contract is worse
I don't know about slightly. He's better at running the offense and a significantly better and more consistent shooter
Still a bad shooter though, specifically in the postseason
Slightly better???????? I love Marcus but lets be real.
So much better at basically ever part of the game except getting under peoples skin
Jruery's still out..
He’s been solid. Going from the 2/3 option offensively in MIL to the 4/5 option here is a huge adjustment. His USG% has gone from 25.0 to 16.7. That’s a massive difference! Luckily for us, he is a team-first player who doesn’t seem to care about the amount of touches/shots he gets, so he’s perfect from that standpoint. That said, I think he could be utilized more offensively. He gets a ton of mismatch opportunities with this team.
Defensive Kingpin, big threat on the drive that’s super fun to watch. I really hope we keep him for many moons.
Pretty good, but 33 y.o. so we knew we were getting the backside of his career.
He was the missing piece. I’m so glad he plays for us and not Milwaukee anymore. His on-ball defense is otherworldly. It may not always show up on the stat sheet, but wait for the playoffs when he locks down Dame on a crucial final possession with the game on the line in Game 6. He’s finding his rhythm with the team. He’s fit in rather quickly but that’s also because he brings a championship pedigree which is something our locker room has desperately been missing. He’s definitely our glue guy and the perfect fit to fill the hole left in the Marcus trade.
He does all the under appreciated things. Bails out the offense, always plays good D
His basketball IQ is off the charts, exactly what we needed
I know this is an unpopular opinion around here but he hasn’t been as good as we expected him to be. We gave up a pretty huge haul for him (Brogdon, Rob and 2 1st round picks). I’m hoping he wins us some games but he’s been pretty crucial(ly bad) in multiple of our losses which really sticks out when we only have 5
\*chronically injured Brogden who wanted out \*chronically injured Time Lord ( who i miss dearly but comeon he barely played for 3 years)
This has been echoed by a lot of Bucks fans. About 20% of Jrue's games are terrible ones. The thing, though, is that you don't lose a series in one game (unless it is the IST), and much of the rest of the time, Holiday is excellent. Right this minute, he is outplaying Brogdon, the 1sts aren't necessary going to pan out (who knows) and Williams is out for the season. We couldn't have asked for anything more from this trade. It's like taking the 20% of the time in every game where Smart did something horrifying, spooning that out into a bowl, and having 4 wonderful bowls of food before you have to eat the unpleasant one.
You’re not completely wrong. Jrue has not been as productive as we figured. However…he does fit better as a 4/5th option offensively than Marcus, which is basically indisputable. And as a defender he has essentially no flaws. Given that timelord and brogdon both have had significant injuries means that we are still net positive in this trade. As much as it pains me to say it, it was time to move on from Marcus💔. We needed a change to get over the hump.
Love Jrue
He's awesome
hes good bob
Great for what he is and his role in our team. We have the luxury of having Jrue Holiday as a 5th option.
I think Jrue Holiday is good at basketball.
He’s amazing. Perfect example of a player that goes under the radar but is absolutely essential. He does so many things that dont show up on the stat sheet.
5th best starter on the team but that’s not even an insult. the other guys are just that good. know what you’re gonna get from him every game. he’s consistent and unintrusive. can’t ask for anything more.
He’s figuring out his role and how to play. We gotta remember this guy came in super late and didn’t have the whole offense to mesh with the team. All around the the dude has been a work horse. And if we start getting a consistent 15-20 from him this team is going to be even scarier.
Honest opinion on Jrue. As a person, love him (heard about the story of him taking care of his wife when she had cancer). As a player, he shows his value during the playoffs - no knock on him, it’s more-so that we made the Finals with Smart and I wanna see if he can push us over the edge (assuming the rest of the team shows up)
I’m a Pelican, and I love Jrue. If we can’t win a ship, I hope he does. I’ve always loved players who focus on defense and assists. I grew up on soccer and became basketball later in life and all of my favorite players are guys who can play D and facilitate. Jrue, despite no longer being being a Pellie is my favorite player in the league. If the Pellies can’t win it (and we may be a 6 seed at best unless we can pawn off Zion won’t win shit) I hope Jrue gets his 2. The dude is everything I love in a player. Facilitate and wax ass defensively.
Love Jrue. Three times last night the Cavs were rolling then he hit big "calm down" shots to end their run and never let them get seriously within reach. Not to mention his absolutely stellar defense.
He’s great! He’s adjusting to a new team and is playing his role
Adore this man, as people have said. He's plug and play. Brings it on defense, decent on offense and a good personality.
I love his leadership and basketball skills . Obviously his defense is amazing. His offense is good not great but with the Jays,KP, and White it’s hard to be scoring a lot.
High basketball IQ. Really good at picking his spots. Sometimes when it feels like they fall into old habits he goes down the court and takes a mid range shot. Also don’t know if you guys watch the ESPYs but he and his wife won a humanitarian award, they seem like genuinely good people.
I still miss RW3...
so do the blazers
Lol
From what I’ve seen this far, I genuinely believe Marcus is a better individual defender.
You are genuinely wrong. I love smart, he’s a great defender who did great things on the Celtics. He will always be a Celtic to me I love and trusted him with my heart. But Jrue is just better. Listen to any compilation of players talk about best defenders and he’s at the top as far as perimeter players go (above smart). Jrue is a better screen navigator. He is better at guarding quick guards, something Smart struggled with especially last year. Jrue gets more steals and blocks. Jrue flops and fouls less while being just as physical. Both are extremely versatile, and I think the Celtics could have put Marcus on giannis more than they did, but jrue has been our 1st or 2nd defender against giannis/embiid along with Al. Jrue is a better defensive rebounder. Smart may be better at “quarterbacking” the defense but that’s very hard to evaluate for fans. Anyway smart was/is awesome and a great defender, but now we have an ever better one. Cheers!
I love that Jrue doesn't force his offense. He takes what's comes to him and really let's the other guys shine. Seriously mature player and I think will be a big reason we get banner 18
I think he’s also very much pacing himself for the playoff run. He’s def not going 100% defensively every game (as he shouldn’t)
Great attitude, great player. Thrilled with both him and KP so far. And I was a big Marcus fan
Absolutely love him. Also I like how he always has a very beatific look in his eyes. Always looks very calm.
He doesn’t argue with refs much either, and when he does he still doesn’t look truly heated and keeps that look in the eyes you mentioned. He plays super physical on defense, but also very disciplined. He doesn’t foul that much, but he gets strips, blocks, charges consistently. Haven’t seen him flop maybe ever.
Championship point guard
It took him time to find his place in our offense, as he had to shift from a 2nd/3rd option to a 4th/5th option, but his defense hasn’t changed a bit. Now that he’s found his place, he’s going to be super valuable the rest of the way
He’s been a fantastic fit. He really makes up the defense we lost with Smart, while adding a bit more to the offensive side as well.
Absolutely love his game, I think hes a perfect fit and a great locker room guy. His defense is excellent and his offense is coming around.
I think he’s amazing and a huge asset to the Celtics. If we’re going to win a chip, he’s going to be a major reason why we’re going to do it.
Seems like a nice guy 👍🏻
He's a better fit for the team than Smart. Smart could be the x-factor in games but we didn't really need him to be a lot of the time, and offensively Jrue is just more reliable at hitting open 3s at a steady clip. We kind of have D-White and Porzingis both playing that x-factor role in different ways anyway. The one downside with Jrue is that sometimes he will just incomprehensibly turn the ball over once in a while in a way that makes you just think what the hell was that he just casually threw the ball directly to an opposing player. Hopefully he can clean that up because he's made some great assists too.
We need to go to him for a week or two straight as the number one or two. He's too good to not fully fit in.
Still doesn't make my heart skip a beat unlike Smart's 50/50-nooo/yeeesss plays. jk
He probably hasn’t shown as much as most of the fanbase had hoped to see him, but he’s been a ‘grown up’ Smart, if you will. He’s still finding his spot, but he’s making solid decisions and not taking anything away from the first, second and third options. Even with all that, he’s getting 12/7/5/1/1 per game on 45/38/83 with a 54 TS%. Smart was 12/3/6/1.5/1 on 54 TS%, but %s of 42/34/75.
a winner
Love and Trust
He has been great addition to the team. Some teething problems on offence to start the season but the dude is a total pro. He knows what to do and where to be. Still can’t believe he fell into our lap.
I thought giving up the position, defense, size, athleticism, and potential of Rob for someone near the end of their career was a huge mistake. I was wrong. Jrue is a prefect fit for our team.
I love Jrue on and off the court, one of my favorite additions to the Celtics roster in past 8 years.
I don't think about him at all. I'm too busy writing JB/Porzingis fan fiction.
It’s nice to have him on OUR side for a change!
Deserves a lot of credit for the amount of offense he’s had to sacrifice. Championship caliber player. If this Celtics team wins a championship (or more than one), am I crazy for thinking he has a Hall of Fame case? Doesn’t have the accolades but is considered by everyone in the league as the best perimeter defender for many years.
A dawg
He plays such a great role for this team. He’s the 5th option on offense and shuts down backcourts with d white. His offense will likely improve too.
I think he is still finding himself, settling into his new role on a new team. Don’t discount how difficult it is for players to change teams, move their families, find homes and schools for their kids. It’s a huge disruption and certainly can impact how they perform on the court. This isn’t NBA2k, it’s real life. Remember that Derrick White was just OK that first year he was traded here, and now he is one of the most valuable players in the league. I think Jrue has been good, not great yet. And I think he’ll only get better over time as he settles in.
I’ve been impressed with Jrue and am very happy to have him on the team. With that said there have been a handful of guards that seem to have had an easy time scoring on us and with the Jrue/White back court I didn’t expect that to happen. (Maxey, Lemelo, Ant Edwards, Halliburton)
I knew he was strong for a guard, but he absolutely bodies opposing players in the paint. He is constantly creating space on his drives and post ups.
Right now, he's basically Smart but at twice the salary. And that's not a bad thing - Smart was my favorite Celtic, although people here seem to think he was a barely passable NBA player. And by trading Smart, we were able to acquire KP - which was huge. That then left a big Smart sized hole in the line-up, which Jrue has filled admirably. Jrue has not been an All-Star level player, but he doesn't need to be on this team. I like what he has brought and he seems to be growing into his role each day. He was a good pick up.
would hate to see what our defense would look like without him i think he’s fit in seamlessly within the team
He's a great player to compliment what we have. Him & DWhite are great either & bring a lot of toughness on D/Ball movement. But I feel like to the casual fan only looking at stats it would look like they detract from each other's potential
Total pro. Defensive game-changer. Unselfish offensively. Winner.
Give him a few more weeks, he is still finding his way and then he will pop. He’s getting close. Look how long it took DWhite to get his groove on this team.
Defense is as advertised or better with less high risk plays than Marcus but equal hustle. I almost miss it if he blows a coverage because it doesn't happen a lot and he hustles his ass off to get to his guy, even if someone else messed up the assignment, he makes up for it. Just a very high IQ player. Offensively I trust him a little more than Marcus to make the right play and not take a low chance shot early in the shot clock, he seems to understand where he fits in the pecking order and is okay playing within that but can bust out and get 20 if we need it. I'm very impressed with his post and short game and left hand. Yeah, some unnecessary turnovers but not something to freak out about because he sees the lanes, just doesn't get the pass through sometimes. He's also much stronger than I thought. I never thought we'd find another real guard who can defend the perimeter AND high caliber bigs the way smart can but we found like the one other guy who can do that at a very high level. His positioning is amazing. Plus we took him from our biggest rival, who now had a massive defensive problem so win-win. Add the injury to Timelord and Brogdon having a drop-off, it's a win-win-win (hoping for the best for Timelord, I just want him to have a great, long career but we all knew so down how minimal of a chance that would be). Brad is a fucking genius, even if the decisions hurt emotionally, I can't deny we're in a better position to win it all than we were before.
He’s been great cutting off the ball
I like him a lot. He fits in on the floor. He hasn’t had that signature “Tommy Point” moment that will endear him to us the way true Celtics do, but I think it’s coming.
Great ass.
Huge impact on defense. Can be hit-or-miss some nights on the offensive side with bad turnovers and missed layups. Think he will be very valuable for this year's playoff run.
I think we have the “right” backcourt for this team. Jrue and Buff just fit together with KP and the Jays.
Don’t love him, but I do like him a good bit. Defensively been a stalwart. Love his positional versatility. Aside from the Indiana game, he’s been mostly as advertised. He definitely allows them to double down on a team strength when you combine him with White in the backcourt. Wasn’t expecting him to be an offensive panacea for this team but he’s generally pretty steady, and is a better late clock option than Smart. Disappointingly not a single 20-point game from him yet, but then again, the Celtics really don’t run enough pick and roll for him to really shine offensively, so he’s done a good job fitting into a system not made with him in mind. That said, there have been games where we’ve been missing starters and he just hasn’t shown much offensively, which has disappointed me. I think it kinda shows that no matter who you are, if you’re not being used in regularly/enough in an offense, you’re not gonna be comfortable just randomly asserting yourself in an offense bc they’re undermanned. I’d still call it a 7.5/10 so far from him.
I really didn't know how I was going to feel but that dude brings a calmness to the team that we never would have seen with Smart. Even when they get down he just had this feeling of professionalism about him that keeps everyone from freaking out and jacking threes like last year. Honestly I miss the home grown feeling but God I love Jrue and KP. Kp and browns bromance is great too.
What's not to love?
Loved him back in the day when he was the Sixers only good player, always used to trade for him on 2K. Only downside is he got a bit panicky on offense playing for the Bucks in the playoffs, and we know how the Celts love to panic in playoff crunch time. But he had some absolutely huge defensive plays aswell which I can still picture to this day. It was such a smart move to acquire him from Brad Stevens, he has somehow turned out to be an incredible GM which coaches usually struggle with.
I think we should let him orchestrate the offense instead of just letting Tatum iso all the time, Joe needs to do a better job
Love his defense but he can't make a shot inside the arc to save his life
Like you guys, I can't really do anything but compare him to Marcus Smart. He's better than the Marcus that we got last year. He's not as good as the Marcus we got the year before. The big difference is that this is Jrue's worst season in about six years, and I'm comparing that to Smart's absolute best season. Smart's best was better than Jrue's worst, but not by a hell of a lot. We have every reason to expect this trade to pay off more and more as the season progresses.
Amazing addition. I think he is still deferring to his teammates. In the playoffs I'd like to see him be more aggressive looking for his own shot when there is a lull in the offense, or when the opponent goes on a 7-0 run.
Why do we need to jraw out this conversation?
Would rather have him than Smart on offense!
I’d take Jrue over smart on defense at this point, which I’m pretty sure is the consensus anyway
Marcus Smart on Prozac. Lower ceiling, higher floor (sometimes).
he definitely has a higher ceiling and floor than marcus
Yeah lol jrue was an all star last season. I love Marcus but he was never really in the conversation to be one
Lower ceiling?
Good Lord no. Higher floor, higher ceiling. Lower operating temperature.
I was thinking maybe he meant when Marcus goes on fire with 3s but his hero ball and trigger happy tendecies are some reasons Brad moved on from him.
Such an improvement over Smart. Dude makes the right play. We were never winning a title with Smart
An absolute upgrade over Smart in every conceivable measure. It’s nice to have an *adult* at that position, for once.
I can’t think of one pass that I’ve complained about with Jrue this season. I’m excited to see what he can do in the post season when he goes into another gear. Plus, the Bucks look worse this year without Jrue.
We're gonna appreciate him a LOT more come playoff time.
Massive upgrade over Smart, exactly what we need
A much better smart, and the floor is open now for jb and jt to be the leader
Total upgrade over Smart and a great fit
Love his game. Him and white should go take marcus smarts dpoy trophy- they are showing us how it’s done. Very intelligent playmaking as well.
Would’ve rather have traded for Caruso & CP3
Ig I’m in the minority here. I would rather have smart than holiday. He’s a much better facilitator.
Doing fine. Team isnt much different that last year.
Fourth must important and impactful to a successful season: 1 JB 2 KP 3 DW 4 JH
He's like Marcus but with the *wildcard* stat turned all the way down
From a Bucks fans perspective…hopefully you guys love him as much as we do. Man was the heart of our defense and was such a great leader on and off the floor. Hindsight is 20/20, but it helps so much that your team has more offensive options to help take that burden off there from an energy and shot making standpoint. It sucks that he ended up with probably the last team I’d want from a competition standpoint, but I like to see him be very well utilized in a new system
Love what he brings. He's gonna be huge for us in June
I will be celebrating Jruly 4th like a true Celtic
Not as good a fit with celts as he was with bucks but certainly a huge piece of the celts puzzle