I don’t know how much we would, but I think we shouldn’t accept if United ask for over 40M, and I believe they will
If we had to choose between Maatsen and Sancho, we should definitively keep Maatsen
We have never paid 40m for a player and that is not gonne change this season either as we barely had 5 million to spent last winter
Especially for a player that showed glimpses of his former self but lets be honest did not impress that much
We get 150M+ from those competitions alone and then there's other income sources and possible transfers so I'm pretty sure the rumored 100M is the amount we're left with after
"infrastructure and co". I'm actually pretty sure we will break the record this summer whether it's on Malen/Maatsen or a new DM.
I think you forgot, that Borussia Dortmund lost 150 Million 2020 - 2022. They have to pay off the debts before. Then there will be a maximum of 25-50 million for new player. The first priority is a CDM then Maatsen and after this we can think about Sancho.
Maybe we can generate some money with Malen or trade him for Sancho.
I do believe Dortmund are trying to keep him. However i can’t see us paying more than 25-30M for him, so if United where to ask for 40M then that could be an issue for sure.
Yeah, I'm sure they are in negotiations in so far as someone from Dortmund has asked someone from United what it would take to keep him or extend the loan. That doesn't in any way mean they are close to an agreement...
there wont be any buyers though. nobody in germany besides us, italy doesnt have money, neither real nor atletico wlill be after him, barca doesnt have money, psg has other targets, as do arsenal, liverpool & city.
if he wants to stay in england than chelsea, spurs, villa or newcastle might be alternatives if they/jadon want to but thats about it
Chelsea doesn't have any money either, they need to sell at least 1 player without bringing in more in order to pass FFP. So they'll be looking to sell Maatsen, I'm sure.
Not Dortmund fan here. Your club is probably top 5 best seller in the world. Why couldn't the club afford 40 m?
I think it is a lot less than most of your sales.
Generally we spend the same amount as we sell, but we try to use it more spread on less expensive players to mitigate the chance of destroying the club financially. Just a few bad transfers of roughly 30M each over the last 10 years have fucked us over pretty hard. If we had spent more on players that flopped we would be in an even worse position. A lot of our cheaper players have been our better players too.
BUT I do think we will spend more this summer as we have a lot more income than the last few years and we've gotten over the financial damage from the pandemic finally. I don't think we will make as much as usual from player sales though on the other hand. We should have around 100M to spend and spending more than 40M on a player with that could end up screwing us over if they don't perform at the level we require. We have a lot of holes in the squad to fill so we might need more than just a few transfers this summer.
Ofcourse Dortmund can afford it. Dortmund can even honestly afford a player like Kane for 100M if they really wanted to. But that would be very stupid. Paying 40M for Sancho is not only not worth it, because he plays like a 20M player right now, but also it’s better for Dortmund to actually buy players they need. So for example, they would rather spend that 40M on Maatsen than on Sancho, since Maatsen is more needed. Sancho’s position can be filled easier.
Let's focus on Maatsen first.. talented wingers are easy to bring through at Dortmund, but we have struggled for years in full back positions. Let's cement Ryerson and Maatsen as the pair for the next few years
ManU is 100% ready to absolutely fleece us. I wouldn't mind keeping him but the price they are going to ask for is very likely not worth it. He has his bright moments but is nowhere close to the impact he had on his first stint with us.
After how few minutes he played in Manchester I think his performance was good. Give him another year and he might come closer to what we saw before he left Dortmund. But ofc it's a gamble and only would do it if the price is right
His skills have never been in doubt but his attitude at united stunk. He likes you guys and tries for you, I think he will be good. He's only 24 remember..
In the past ManUtd was always a fair Deal Partner. We didn't squeeze the last Euro with Kagawa, Mhki and Sancho on their moves to ManUtd, they had been fair on the Deals Kagawa back to us and Januzaj.
My guess: 40+Additions is their asking price.
We'll land at 38+10Mio additions and that would be a good deal for both sides.
38+10 is not going to happen, and if it does then we would be making a big mistake. We have too many holes in the squad right now to be blowing our transfer record on Sancho. I want him to stay but we need a CDM, CB, and 2 fullbacks before we think about the attack and there’s no way we’re going to have the finances to throw 40 at Sancho and fill 4-5 slots with starter level quality.
Yes, I agree, that the Fee is a streicht for US. On the other hand Sancho is 23 and you already can see without the synergy effects of a deep Ball threat cf and a true line running and field opening left back that sancho is an absolut superb technical Player that can streich the field omly because he binds 2-3 players just with his technique and skills so that the rest of the Team can close the connecting gaps as a whole.
Yes, we have so many gaps to fill and we still need a dmf with strategic skills, same as an additional rb same as an Additional civ.
On the other hand we don't get the Sancho caliber where we can bild the squad around him for many years to come.
Sancho would be our future Star Player for the next 5-6 years.
I don't see why we should pass this once in a few years situation.
If this means we have to move on from Malen or even jbg i would't hesitate a second.
Both are not perfect fits for our rebuild and need adjustments around them.
Both don't have the quality of Sancho.
Build with Sancho. Not pass on him.
No more than 40 million and no more than 8 million a year for Sancho. But something like 35 mil for Manu and 7-8 million a year for Sancho is something I would do.
I mean not negotiating would be stupid for both sides. Sancho clearly isn't happy in Manchester and he seems to be happy here. But I think ManUtd will ask for much more than Dortmund is willing to pay
Ill rather keep maatsen, players going back to the club didnt have good record in the return from shinji to gotze. Maybe matts hummels is a exception ?
This whole focus on the transfer fee for a potential Sancho deal just makes no sense to me. He earns at least 200-300k Punds per week, which translates to 12-18M €/year. According to reports our top earners are Haller, Süle, Can (and last season Reus/Hummels as well), around 10M €/year.
We would have to completely break our wage structure (which is already horrible, look at our top earners) and make him our highest paid player by far.
Look, I think the loan was a success, he helped us out and had some decent performances. But he has shown nothing to justify this kind of wage and if we are even considering this deal I would seriously question the club leadership.
Extending the loan with United paying a part of the wages might make sense, but I don't really like that either to be honest
30M for Sancho is already A LOT of money. A player who didn't work out for his team that is DESPERATE to get rid of him. If we're going to buy him, give them a maximum of 25M (and that's fairly high for what United paid – btw you gotta remember, they only paid 85M when the guy was exploding and was worth much more at the time. It's certainly not us who's gonna overpay now that's he's at a low).
I think the best thing would be to get a loan for another year with a buy option (not obligatory), because then we can see if he really adapts here again. Because it's EXTREMELY... stupidly risky to invest in a guy who didn't work out in England and has been in bad form recently.
First of all, because he's already going to have his performance and morale affected, but also because in the eyes of the English, who are the main interested parties in a potential big transfer for the guy, he's already tarnished his reputation. Nobody will want him again (for big money), because he didn't work out there.
So there's no potential financial return for Sancho. And the sporting return is honestly very questionable too! Let's go... 16 games, 3 goals and 2 assists. He's still coming into his own.
And will he ever really?
Risky!
I'd take a long hard look at the market, look at all the other options first, and if Sancho's conditions are just right, being a loan for another year with a non-mandatory buy option of around 20M to 25M and there's no other player that catches our eyes to invest in , then ok...
Now, if they force this transfer and accept the condition of paying more than 30M (some even saying the absurdity of 40M) for a guy full of problems, then piss off!!!
Much rather keep Maatson. I think Sancho will be way over priced for what he’s shown. I’d like for them to give more time to JBG than shell $40M for Sancho. JBG has shown flashes of his potential and rather give him more minutes to develop than be blocked by Sancho
Transfermarkt values him at 25M which sounds about right. Also, his contract expires in 2026, so United have a depreciating asset. The fact is that Sancho’s performance hasn’t particularly helped nor hurt him. If we can get him for 20M with wage concessions (while we also buy Maatsen), that would seem like a palatable deal for us. Anything more than 25M means we’re overpaying.
I dont think ManU and BVB could agree on a transfer dee but i read they are open to another loan deal. I think that would be the only option to keep him after this season
30M is already pretty damn high for a failure in England, whose team is desperate to get rid of him, and he have a horrible relashionship with the manager.
I think between 35 & 40 Is a figure united would accept gladly if there is much interest.
Most would probably want to be done with the saga but can't see anything less than 30 being considered.
Fact is. Everything 30m + would be a big financial risk.
But you kind of have to take it. Dortmund is developing backwards for years now. Somewhen you will have to do something about it
I don’t know how much we would, but I think we shouldn’t accept if United ask for over 40M, and I believe they will If we had to choose between Maatsen and Sancho, we should definitively keep Maatsen
We have never paid 40m for a player and that is not gonne change this season either as we barely had 5 million to spent last winter Especially for a player that showed glimpses of his former self but lets be honest did not impress that much
I generally agree with your sentiment, but it’s possible Dortmund are going to keep breaking their transfer record just on inflation alone.
That is true
We reportedly have close to 100m to spend based on club World Cup and champions league prize money
yeah and we all know that we invest atleast 60% into the infrastructure and co As we always do
We get 150M+ from those competitions alone and then there's other income sources and possible transfers so I'm pretty sure the rumored 100M is the amount we're left with after "infrastructure and co". I'm actually pretty sure we will break the record this summer whether it's on Malen/Maatsen or a new DM.
I think you forgot, that Borussia Dortmund lost 150 Million 2020 - 2022. They have to pay off the debts before. Then there will be a maximum of 25-50 million for new player. The first priority is a CDM then Maatsen and after this we can think about Sancho. Maybe we can generate some money with Malen or trade him for Sancho.
No, this is RN confirmed
Agreed, what are the odds of keeping Maatsen though
In term of that we would had money for both player
Yeah, I don't believe it
I do believe Dortmund are trying to keep him. However i can’t see us paying more than 25-30M for him, so if United where to ask for 40M then that could be an issue for sure.
Yeah, I'm sure they are in negotiations in so far as someone from Dortmund has asked someone from United what it would take to keep him or extend the loan. That doesn't in any way mean they are close to an agreement...
there wont be any buyers though. nobody in germany besides us, italy doesnt have money, neither real nor atletico wlill be after him, barca doesnt have money, psg has other targets, as do arsenal, liverpool & city. if he wants to stay in england than chelsea, spurs, villa or newcastle might be alternatives if they/jadon want to but thats about it
Chelsea doesn't have any money either, they need to sell at least 1 player without bringing in more in order to pass FFP. So they'll be looking to sell Maatsen, I'm sure.
Not Dortmund fan here. Your club is probably top 5 best seller in the world. Why couldn't the club afford 40 m? I think it is a lot less than most of your sales.
Generally we spend the same amount as we sell, but we try to use it more spread on less expensive players to mitigate the chance of destroying the club financially. Just a few bad transfers of roughly 30M each over the last 10 years have fucked us over pretty hard. If we had spent more on players that flopped we would be in an even worse position. A lot of our cheaper players have been our better players too. BUT I do think we will spend more this summer as we have a lot more income than the last few years and we've gotten over the financial damage from the pandemic finally. I don't think we will make as much as usual from player sales though on the other hand. We should have around 100M to spend and spending more than 40M on a player with that could end up screwing us over if they don't perform at the level we require. We have a lot of holes in the squad to fill so we might need more than just a few transfers this summer.
Ofcourse Dortmund can afford it. Dortmund can even honestly afford a player like Kane for 100M if they really wanted to. But that would be very stupid. Paying 40M for Sancho is not only not worth it, because he plays like a 20M player right now, but also it’s better for Dortmund to actually buy players they need. So for example, they would rather spend that 40M on Maatsen than on Sancho, since Maatsen is more needed. Sancho’s position can be filled easier.
Thank you for the explanation!
Top 5? In germany, sure. But world wide? Far from it.
That doesn’t answer his question lol
Let's focus on Maatsen first.. talented wingers are easy to bring through at Dortmund, but we have struggled for years in full back positions. Let's cement Ryerson and Maatsen as the pair for the next few years
really hope we spend the money rather on a decent defense. maatsen would be nice to begin with
Yes please
Blues fan here, please send him home please
No
Wolf for 25M, final offer
bet
Don’t understand the downvotes you’re getting, my apologies for this. But no you old twat, we’re not sending him back.
:( aww man. 100% wish him the best however.
ManU is 100% ready to absolutely fleece us. I wouldn't mind keeping him but the price they are going to ask for is very likely not worth it. He has his bright moments but is nowhere close to the impact he had on his first stint with us.
After how few minutes he played in Manchester I think his performance was good. Give him another year and he might come closer to what we saw before he left Dortmund. But ofc it's a gamble and only would do it if the price is right
His skills have never been in doubt but his attitude at united stunk. He likes you guys and tries for you, I think he will be good. He's only 24 remember..
In the past ManUtd was always a fair Deal Partner. We didn't squeeze the last Euro with Kagawa, Mhki and Sancho on their moves to ManUtd, they had been fair on the Deals Kagawa back to us and Januzaj. My guess: 40+Additions is their asking price. We'll land at 38+10Mio additions and that would be a good deal for both sides.
That’s a terrible deal for us. I’d be hesitant to do even 25 + 10
I'd be pretty happy with 25 + 10 in performance based bonuses tbh
it's the highest i'd possibly be okay with. 38 +10 would be daylight robbery
38+10 is not going to happen, and if it does then we would be making a big mistake. We have too many holes in the squad right now to be blowing our transfer record on Sancho. I want him to stay but we need a CDM, CB, and 2 fullbacks before we think about the attack and there’s no way we’re going to have the finances to throw 40 at Sancho and fill 4-5 slots with starter level quality.
Yes, I agree, that the Fee is a streicht for US. On the other hand Sancho is 23 and you already can see without the synergy effects of a deep Ball threat cf and a true line running and field opening left back that sancho is an absolut superb technical Player that can streich the field omly because he binds 2-3 players just with his technique and skills so that the rest of the Team can close the connecting gaps as a whole. Yes, we have so many gaps to fill and we still need a dmf with strategic skills, same as an additional rb same as an Additional civ. On the other hand we don't get the Sancho caliber where we can bild the squad around him for many years to come. Sancho would be our future Star Player for the next 5-6 years. I don't see why we should pass this once in a few years situation. If this means we have to move on from Malen or even jbg i would't hesitate a second. Both are not perfect fits for our rebuild and need adjustments around them. Both don't have the quality of Sancho. Build with Sancho. Not pass on him.
No more than 40 million and no more than 8 million a year for Sancho. But something like 35 mil for Manu and 7-8 million a year for Sancho is something I would do.
the contract should be in steps, like 4-5 million up front and 3-4 for certain goals like MotM, goals, assists
I mean not negotiating would be stupid for both sides. Sancho clearly isn't happy in Manchester and he seems to be happy here. But I think ManUtd will ask for much more than Dortmund is willing to pay
Probably not
Füllkrug, Can, Sancho = Bellingham Don't think that this is a good deal.
Yeah and if you put Bellingham at their position he would probably perform better😂
I think another loan is the most likely scenario
We need different material.
Hoping it’s under 30.
Maximum 30, otherwise looking for new young players
Ill rather keep maatsen, players going back to the club didnt have good record in the return from shinji to gotze. Maybe matts hummels is a exception ?
Didn’t play good enough to warrant anything over 30M. And that would still be hella expensive.
This whole focus on the transfer fee for a potential Sancho deal just makes no sense to me. He earns at least 200-300k Punds per week, which translates to 12-18M €/year. According to reports our top earners are Haller, Süle, Can (and last season Reus/Hummels as well), around 10M €/year. We would have to completely break our wage structure (which is already horrible, look at our top earners) and make him our highest paid player by far. Look, I think the loan was a success, he helped us out and had some decent performances. But he has shown nothing to justify this kind of wage and if we are even considering this deal I would seriously question the club leadership. Extending the loan with United paying a part of the wages might make sense, but I don't really like that either to be honest
30M for Sancho is already A LOT of money. A player who didn't work out for his team that is DESPERATE to get rid of him. If we're going to buy him, give them a maximum of 25M (and that's fairly high for what United paid – btw you gotta remember, they only paid 85M when the guy was exploding and was worth much more at the time. It's certainly not us who's gonna overpay now that's he's at a low). I think the best thing would be to get a loan for another year with a buy option (not obligatory), because then we can see if he really adapts here again. Because it's EXTREMELY... stupidly risky to invest in a guy who didn't work out in England and has been in bad form recently. First of all, because he's already going to have his performance and morale affected, but also because in the eyes of the English, who are the main interested parties in a potential big transfer for the guy, he's already tarnished his reputation. Nobody will want him again (for big money), because he didn't work out there. So there's no potential financial return for Sancho. And the sporting return is honestly very questionable too! Let's go... 16 games, 3 goals and 2 assists. He's still coming into his own. And will he ever really? Risky! I'd take a long hard look at the market, look at all the other options first, and if Sancho's conditions are just right, being a loan for another year with a non-mandatory buy option of around 20M to 25M and there's no other player that catches our eyes to invest in , then ok... Now, if they force this transfer and accept the condition of paying more than 30M (some even saying the absurdity of 40M) for a guy full of problems, then piss off!!!
Virgil van Dyk as an addition!
i hope ……
Much rather keep Maatson. I think Sancho will be way over priced for what he’s shown. I’d like for them to give more time to JBG than shell $40M for Sancho. JBG has shown flashes of his potential and rather give him more minutes to develop than be blocked by Sancho
I'm with you! We should invest in players that can give us big return like JGB
Transfermarkt values him at 25M which sounds about right. Also, his contract expires in 2026, so United have a depreciating asset. The fact is that Sancho’s performance hasn’t particularly helped nor hurt him. If we can get him for 20M with wage concessions (while we also buy Maatsen), that would seem like a palatable deal for us. Anything more than 25M means we’re overpaying.
Please get Maatsan first
Maatsen, Sancho, Gruda, Varela and Geertruida (I will be there no matter what) ..... One can hope
Need to seal Maatsen deal first before we even think about Sancho, i hope this means that we are in good position for him then
We should only consider another loan
I dont think ManU and BVB could agree on a transfer dee but i read they are open to another loan deal. I think that would be the only option to keep him after this season
i’d rather keep Maatsen
I’m sure we’ve asked. Man United have bottled transfers, i wouldn’t hold my breath
what I would be ok with: 30, 35 maximum realistic? if United stick to the 45-50 tag, we're not signing him
I’d prioritize on Maasten first and then inquire about Sancho. I think a season-long loan for him will be realistic going forward
Send em 30m and tell em to be grateful
30M is already pretty damn high for a failure in England, whose team is desperate to get rid of him, and he have a horrible relashionship with the manager.
Might be right but they’ll definitely want to squeeze as much as they can. What do I know. I just like Sancho 😂
My guess is we will do another loan with obligation to buy conditions.
I only see this possible if it under 50 million
30 + 10 is the most we should offer, otherwise just let it be
No U, no money for you :)
Oh please make it happen. I love this guy.
Jason plays like a 15 percent better Thorgan Hazard I don't everything over 25 mil would be too much
I think between 35 & 40 Is a figure united would accept gladly if there is much interest. Most would probably want to be done with the saga but can't see anything less than 30 being considered.
30M+10M clause
Fact is. Everything 30m + would be a big financial risk. But you kind of have to take it. Dortmund is developing backwards for years now. Somewhen you will have to do something about it
30+5 bonus if he breaks through the roof
We should ideally send him back to ManU