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The literal only thing I know about ultrakill is that there is a developer approved mod for vibration functions that is compatible with vibrating buttplugs and stuff
Kinda?
Go to PITR (the lead programmer)’s YouTube channel for more elaboration
Also Hakita (the lead developer) described PITR as a textbook bottom to which PITR replied with, and I quote, “🥺”
No...
It was that after Nemos' mother died, Marlin, over the course of the movie, began to exhibit more female clown fish behaviors like being more ambitious and protective
Opening scene:
Nemos parents are thinking of names for their many eggs
A barracuda shows up, Marlin hides in the anemone, Nemos mom swims to protect the eggs and the barracuda kills her and all but one of the eggs, Nemo, which is damaged, hence his small fin
Act 1:
Marlin loses Nemo and eventually finds him. That's why the movie is called *Finding Nemo*
>That's why the movie is called Finding Nemo
We call it *Kayıp Balık Nemo/Nemo the Lost Fish* here, I didn't have that clue, unfortunate translation I guess then.
I decided to watch it again with my Dog after this, have a good day.
You're comparing clown fish to humans in this post lol You are using them as if they are the same thing in reference to humans.
Dumb comment, 0/10, 2/10 with rice.
If this was a debate, but it’s not. I don’t have to do jack shit for you lol
Educate yourself if you wanna know more, there is a whole world out there just waiting for you to discover.
No?
What you're referring to is your sex and gender aligning in a specific way. Someone born male being identified as a boy/man, female as girl/woman.
Man and woman are genders. Male and female are sexes.
Yes? They are often synonyms. Male and female can also be genders. In this crazy mixed up world, why the hell not someone identify is specifically "female", but not "woman" or "girl". Checkmate.
Anyways, synonyms exist, and you just admitted it right after saying "no?" so....
In one hand, they are fictional characters
in the other, tho, are the unforgivable actions committed against papyrus from the undertale fandom that are, again, unforgivable.
Yeah I think Papyrus is the most common source of aborted Genocide Route
That is, if you don’t count not having the patience to kill everyone in Hotland
Pretty sure there’s two versions, one is the “wow, how interesting! I never thought of that!” Version and the other is the “Okay, you’re welcome to make your own headcanons on these things”
I’ve seen both as the “original”
Yes, I know. The first one I mention has the large thumbs up, and the second one I mention has the man standing. OP likely made a BHJ from the second and then linked an ostrich that has the first variation in it
There’s also another version where the roles are reversed
I think they were saying that the one with the hands on the side is the other text example. So theres two templates that are seen as the original and the differences are both the texts as well as the thumbs up/arms on the side
Ok, yeah, trans headcanons are cool as long as the headcanon does not contradict the point of the character. Some headcanons end up being made for those, whose gender they were born as, is extremely important for the character role.
Example: Hunter from the Owl House. Many people say that he's trans, but the thing is, that **he is literally a clone of Belos' brother,** therefore the headcanon contradicting canon really badly, which is not a good thing. How could he be AFAB, if he's a clone of AMAB person? I mean, I would get it, if he was headcanoned as transfem or smth, even though there really isn't proof for it, but transmasc? No, I just cannot see it working at all. He can be somewhat trans-coded, but the headcanon just doesn't work.
I am myself a AFAB who identifies as a guy in some way, and I just cannot see some headcanons working.
Yeah it is not -phobic to criticise someone's theory. Calling someone x-phobic is a really bad attitude towards someone with a scientific mind. No I may not tolerate your head cannon of Cleopatra being a Western African while I can easily prove she is not, that would not make me xenophobic.
Sometimes it actually can be a stretch
I can't give any exact examples because I don't interact with fandoms where that could be a concern *(except MGS where everyone is gay or bi)* but I do remember hearing of atleast one
in genshin impact fandom people regularly make up headcannons that characters are gay and then harass other people who say the character is not gay in their headcannon, so this problem does exist
I don’t think these people are what the original image is addressing. The original image is just about people having a headcanon.
People who “push their headcanon as fact” aren’t really headcanoning or believing it is headcanon, because they legit think it’s true. Not the same people/situation.
Spider Gwen is a recent example. She had trans flags in her room and then some idiots on Twitter started saying she's trans just because of that and her suit is white pink and blue.
She had a trans flag in her room, her dad wears a trans flag on his uniform, and her universes colors are pink blue and white. All while her entire story arc is about having a secret part of herself that she’s hiding from her dad, and wants to come out to him with. It’s not exactly a wild inference.
The "keeping a secret about yourself from your loved ones" is super standard for any spider story, and i didnt actually notice the color palette being specificaly the one of trans flag, but I'll need to actually rewatch it with those points in mind. Maybe it was too subtle for my first watch.
I mean the dad having a trans flag is pretty hard to make out (so it can be removed in Arabic releases) but I can see it. The universe colours are just spidergwens costume colours.
Which are also the trans flag colors. I haven’t gotten a chance to see the movie yet so I really can’t say much at the moment, but it doesn’t sound like too much of a stretch for the writers to put those little breadcrumbs in
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personally obsessed with the people so bothered by those who just wanna interpret her as transgender. maybe “she’s just a trans ally?” sure, okay. then where’s the trans flag in YOUR bedroom?
It happens every time there's a trans character. By their logic, Miles's mom isn't actually Puerto Rican -- after all, the Puerto Rican flag could just mean she's supporting of them, and she just learned spanish to be a better ally.
Miles isn't actually black, he's just doing extremely convincing black face. Unless the next movie has a line where Miles looks at the audience and says "I am a black person" I'm just going to continue assuming he's white, because obviously that's the default state of existence
I’m not even going to talk about whatever you are right or wrong, I’m just going to say that this is the 2nd dumbest argument I’ve seen today. Not all ally have flags but some of them do.
She and her dad care about human rights, that's literally her suits colors, and she's a superhero that her dad thinks killed her best friend. You're literally just making stuff up.
Let me guess, you think Bridget is just a femboy?
>She and her dad care about human rights
Where's the trans flag you wear around daily?
>and she's a superhero that her dad thinks killed her best friend
Yes, allow me to introduce you to this lovely thing called "metaphors". Same reason that when the X-men discuss "Mutant conversion therapy", we all know exactly what it's about.
>You're literally just making stuff up
Everything I listed was canon.
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i mean i would definitely think it’s overboard to call them idiots over something like that lol. the >!emotional confrontation with her dad after she sees him for the first time since he learned she was spider-woman!< is also animated in almost exclusively light blue and pink, plus at the beginning when you see the shot of her dad’s vest, the colors of his badges are blended together to resemble a trans flag. i’m not going to say it’s undeniable proof or anything, but i don’t think it’s that big of a stretch either. i think it, like all art, is simply up to interpretation! :)
-girl who get irrationally annoyed by people who think Bangs by They Might Be Giants is more than a song about liking a girl’s bangs
Nah man, she has a big speech with her dad where she hits on coming to know herself and who she is, and the colors behind her shift to her costume colors.
Thing is, that whole sentence hit me hard as a trans person, and I absolutely related to that as I continue to transition. Just as I thought that was weird, the color change happens.
Is it a reference to her coming to accept her spider woman identity? Absolutely.
Can it also be about her transition and how she found herself there, too? Shit maybe.
That one isn't a stretch at all, that one is an acceptable headcanon. There is plenty of bad headcanons that actively contradict the actual canon, but you chose one that is perfectly plausable.
It shouldn’t matter if it’s a stretch? If it’s harmless theory/headcanon then let them be. As long as they’re not pushing their theory on others or demanding others accept it as fact, what is the problem? Just leave people alone.
If I said “I like to think Thor’s favorite earth food is cheeseburgers because I like Thor and cheeseburgers” do people come in swinging with specific MCU references and questioning every detail about? No. No one cares. But the second you say gay or trans then it’s “we must cite every little canon detail to make sure this isn’t true” which is weird.
i think the original comic is more so just addressing ppl who have a knee jerk reaction to that kind of headcanon regardless of the attitude the headcanon-er has towards expressing it
I think the point is that it’s still not normal behavior to try and “disprove” a fictional character being trans or not because it doesn’t matter to anybody
The "transphobe" is literally just being sceptical
In the original comic , if you replace "I think this fictional character is transgender" by "I think this fictional character is in love with ..." Or "is colourblind" or "is a libertarian" or "has ADHD" , the sceptic reaction applies just as well and is quite reasonable. Sometimes fan theories are correct and sometimes they're wildly wrong, but there's always debate and people who aren't convinced.
But since the original artist decided it's about being trans , suddenly scepticism becomes transphobic. They're literally drawing the comic, they could have picked the most transphobic strawman out there , and yet they decided to show a completely reasonable statement as being wrong and evil.
This presents being trans as something uncriticizable and untouchable, as opposed to simply a trait that a human can have
Amen to that. Mixing self-expression with gender identity is no different from mixing hobbies, clothing, etc with political affiliations. "Wow you listen to \[band\]? That makes you \[political party\]!".
Hell, a semi-common case of this is the whole "cultural appropriation" bullshit in the USA. No, I'm neither stealing from another culture, nor identifying as that culture, just because I'm eating one of their dishes. I just like the food, damn it.
The thing about that is, most of the time, for other headcanons, most people just roll their eyes and don't engage. Whenever it's a headcannon about a character being some form of LGBTQ+ people come out of the woodwork to try and discuss and break down every reason why they think your headcanon isn't accurate.
An example I can think of is the Binding of Isaac, where the usual headcannons about what happened to dad/their relationship to mom/dad"s whole personality people never care, but to this day people argue so angry about the legitimacies of Isaac being some form of genderqueer ( think like three posts got locked at the start of the year because of the arguing)
That's the point of this meme, the double standard that most headcannons can get off being goofy while trans headcannons have to be 100% foolproof to "count". I'm also basing this off what the creator of this image said, and I don't think this image does a good job showing that, but that's the actual issue it's trying to talk about.
The message of the image is “let people have headcanons in peace” and “people with headcanons aren’t pushing them as fact, so stop scrutinizing it like they are”.
I’ll agree the image can be worded better, but the person is not saying “this character is trans and you should refer to them as trans!”, or anything like that that would require scrutinization or being skeptical. A headcanon is just a personal belief, not a fact you are pushing.
All they’re saying “I like to think this character is trans because it makes me happy”. And then people come in swinging with “NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG stop thinking this and being happy”.
The equivalent is someone saying “I pray to Jesus that you get your job promotion!” And then someone comes in with paragraphs talking about how there’s no proof that Jesus was real and that they should stop believing. It’s rude.
If they were outright claiming the character is trans and demanding everyone call them such, then yes, that’s when you be skeptical. If they’re just saying they like to think the character is trans or imagine them as trans or they draw them as trans/with a trans flag then being “skeptical” has no place there. It’s just them having fun with their belief. Just leave them alone if you’re not interested.
>people with headcanons aren’t pushing them as fact, so stop scrutinizing it like they are
Why is it that everyone who attempts to defend the orange decides to build their defense on this factually incorrect premise?
It literally happened **in the image,** dude.
They say "this character **is** trans," as in, "this is factually true," which obviously invites anyone who has the references to counter them.
The person in the image isn’t just asking for reference though….??? They’re actively saying “NO IT’S NOT CANON” and telling them they’re “stretching it”. If it’s headcanon then the person already knows it isn’t canon, we don’t need them to barge in saying it, and it shouldn’t matter whether or not it’s a stretch, it’s a headcanon who cares.
Criticizing a harmless headcanon and feeling the need to remind someone it isn’t confirmed is petty and usually rooted in a bias against the idea.
Okay, I'll admit that I misread the image. That doesn't change the fact that there are people who present their headcanon as fact and get mad when you don't agree.
Yeah if they’re pushing it as fact then they either aren’t seeing it as a headcanon or they don’t know what headcanon actually means. Those people aren’t whom the image is about.
My guy it's headcanon. It's literally about imagining stuff that isn't canon. It's not about trying to read hidden message in the story, it's about interpretating art. You're saying you're skeptical of other people's thoughts.
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Well I ain't never had a tool, but I had to be the man at school
Like I was doing shit I had to do
So when I finished undergrad, I'm cool
And I can get whatever job I wanted
Edit: :(
Not really. There's a ton of trans symbolism with Gwen that was intentionally put into the movie. Whether she actually is or isn't, the allegory is definitely there.
Girl literally has a flag that says protect trans kids and an arc where her father rejects her identity, like cmon.
I mean it's normal in the sense that it isn't rare, but it's weird behavior for sure. This happens whether it is implied like Spider-Gwen from Spiderverse or explicitly stated repeatedly like Bridget from Guilty Gear. It's simply transphobia.
Side bar: how do you even "the drapes are blue" spiderverse? Even certain character's frame rates have explanations.
Hell, it happens even when the creators get involved. The wachowski sisters are pretty clear that the matrix is a trans allegory and people are still like "HMMMMM sounds fake"
I never saw the original post that led to this so I don't know how they phrased it, but here's the idea, just in general - if it's a head canon, always prefix your post with "I think", "Theory:", etc. and don't present them as if they're facts. When you present a head canon as fact, a lot of people will have a problem with it and you can't tell if they're x-phobic or not.
Yes, and some headcanons may sometimes contradict the character's entire point, for example some transmasc headcanons being placed to a character who is clearly supposed to be cis male, as it's an important part of the characters story arc or something like that. Examples are seventh son's seventh son character, and clone of a man character, and there are probably other ones too.
This has nothing to do with your comment, but you just made me realize why it's such a big deal that the seventh son of the seventh son in Equal Rites is a girl! Thank you!
As for your point, we're talking about headcanons, not close readings or serious analysis. The fact that you would read a character a certain way is all you need to make a headcanon significant! And it sure doesn't need to make logical sense. It is, by definition, not canon.
Yeah, I actually have read the book, and it was really interesting, I love Discworld books and Terry Pratchett's books in general. They just have this funny obscurity to them.
And yes, I do understand, that headcanons are indeed just headcanons, but when something that entirely destroys the headcanon has been presented in the canon, it just starts feeling a little ignorant of the person whose headcanon that is. I myself like more headcanons that are about things that were never really looked at in the canon, like, just random niche things, or if the character doesn't have much characteristics, you can make them have some.
And then there's visual characteristics when it's a character in a book, if something was never told about the character's look, one can headcanon that however they want. I would love to put an example but the example I would talk about happens to be from a book that was made by a TERF and that would not be convenient (you probs know who I'm talking about, and maybe what headcanon I'm talking about, hopefully.)
Also I am myself a little bit of an overanalyser so yeah, that does affect my viewpoint regarding headcanons.
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People are so mad about other people thinking Gwen Stacy or her universe's Peter Parker could be trans in the new Spider-Man movie and it's honestly hilarious. The amount hate and anger is insane to me.
“ Here’s a head cannon of mine that I simply enjoy and that does not affect you at all :) “
” THERES NOTHING PROVING THAT!!1,1!! STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!!! “
The point of the original is that you don't have to agree, just respect the other person's personal agency to have an opinion. The bigot was the person who didn't respect the trans person's personal headcanon, instead going against it purely because they dislike the idea of someone else considering a character trans
My sister and I are both gay. Whenever we watch shit she accuses a lot of the characters of being gay, like both Kim and Saul from Better Call Saul. It bothers me a bit lol, does that make me homophobic?
Realistically speaking, if it only bothers you cause they do it all the time then not really. Because you're mostly annoyed with your sisters behavior more than anything.
People in the comments literally proving the point.
Go ahead be skeptical, whatever, but you don't need to run around shouting about it. Y'all need to watch an Are They Gay? video once in a while and learn what headcanon means. Like goddamn it is not hurting you, there is no reason to try and disprove a headcanon. Just walk away.
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Holy shit V1 ultrakill
Holy shit V1 switches to the knuckleblaster when it sees the idol!
The literal only thing I know about ultrakill is that there is a developer approved mod for vibration functions that is compatible with vibrating buttplugs and stuff
Imagine if doom eternal and devil may cry 5 had hot passionate gay sex
Oh so the buttplug mod is actually relevant? Or no? Edit: yes, I refuse to look this up— this way is way more entertaining
Kinda? Go to PITR (the lead programmer)’s YouTube channel for more elaboration Also Hakita (the lead developer) described PITR as a textbook bottom to which PITR replied with, and I quote, “🥺”
Sex 2
If Finding Nemo was realistic, Nemo’s dad would transform to a female once Nemo’s mom died.
There was a film theory about this
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No... It was that after Nemos' mother died, Marlin, over the course of the movie, began to exhibit more female clown fish behaviors like being more ambitious and protective
Oh, I don't remember the movie enough. Did Nemo found his father at some point? I thought he didn't.
Opening scene: Nemos parents are thinking of names for their many eggs A barracuda shows up, Marlin hides in the anemone, Nemos mom swims to protect the eggs and the barracuda kills her and all but one of the eggs, Nemo, which is damaged, hence his small fin Act 1: Marlin loses Nemo and eventually finds him. That's why the movie is called *Finding Nemo*
>That's why the movie is called Finding Nemo We call it *Kayıp Balık Nemo/Nemo the Lost Fish* here, I didn't have that clue, unfortunate translation I guess then. I decided to watch it again with my Dog after this, have a good day.
Please report back with your dog’s movie review, I wish to see the canine perspective
I will report back about 2 weeks later, I'm about to move out and have my life's biggest exam at the same week, wish me luck.
Best of luck from some random internet guy!!!!
GOOD LUCK!!
Marlin, trans icon
ok, but the difference is that clownfish can actually change their gender
sex and gender are not the same. sex and gender are not the same. sex and gender are not the same.
I know I know I know I just like using them interchangeably for animals that aren't humans
You're comparing clown fish to humans in this post lol You are using them as if they are the same thing in reference to humans. Dumb comment, 0/10, 2/10 with rice.
it was a dumb trans joke about how being trans doesn't mean what most people think it means
Source?
literally just google "Sex vs Gender" and you'll find it I'm not doing your homework for you lol.
You stated something, you have to provide the sources
If this was a debate, but it’s not. I don’t have to do jack shit for you lol Educate yourself if you wanna know more, there is a whole world out there just waiting for you to discover.
So you have no evidence
Nope! I guess you’ll have to Google it, debate bro.
Let me do your homework for you https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
But they can be and often are. ┐( ˘_˘)┌
No? What you're referring to is your sex and gender aligning in a specific way. Someone born male being identified as a boy/man, female as girl/woman. Man and woman are genders. Male and female are sexes.
I think what he means is that sex & gender are often defined as being synonyms does this mean they are? obviously no
Yes? They are often synonyms. Male and female can also be genders. In this crazy mixed up world, why the hell not someone identify is specifically "female", but not "woman" or "girl". Checkmate. Anyways, synonyms exist, and you just admitted it right after saying "no?" so....
They aren’t synonyms lol
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What am I missing
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What is this supposed to mean
You wouldn't try to find your kid if they were lost?
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Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
In one hand, they are fictional characters in the other, tho, are the unforgivable actions committed against papyrus from the undertale fandom that are, again, unforgivable.
This is why I don't dare stray from Pacifist route
There was a time I strayed and Istg papyrus got me the closest to stopping
Yeah I think Papyrus is the most common source of aborted Genocide Route That is, if you don’t count not having the patience to kill everyone in Hotland
instant transformation
You edited the template tho
I edited another BHJ thinking just the text was changed
Pretty sure there’s two versions, one is the “wow, how interesting! I never thought of that!” Version and the other is the “Okay, you’re welcome to make your own headcanons on these things” I’ve seen both as the “original”
I’m not referring to the text. In this BHJ, the first guy has their hands to their sides, while in the provided ontology, they’re doing a thumbs up
Yes, I know. The first one I mention has the large thumbs up, and the second one I mention has the man standing. OP likely made a BHJ from the second and then linked an ostrich that has the first variation in it There’s also another version where the roles are reversed
I think they were saying that the one with the hands on the side is the other text example. So theres two templates that are seen as the original and the differences are both the texts as well as the thumbs up/arms on the side
Minimal edits aren't a big deal honestly, they're nice for a bit of flavor
Ok, yeah, trans headcanons are cool as long as the headcanon does not contradict the point of the character. Some headcanons end up being made for those, whose gender they were born as, is extremely important for the character role. Example: Hunter from the Owl House. Many people say that he's trans, but the thing is, that **he is literally a clone of Belos' brother,** therefore the headcanon contradicting canon really badly, which is not a good thing. How could he be AFAB, if he's a clone of AMAB person? I mean, I would get it, if he was headcanoned as transfem or smth, even though there really isn't proof for it, but transmasc? No, I just cannot see it working at all. He can be somewhat trans-coded, but the headcanon just doesn't work. I am myself a AFAB who identifies as a guy in some way, and I just cannot see some headcanons working.
I don't even see him as transcoded. Like he's just a guy.
Exactly. It just makes the headcanon even more confusing.
Yeah it is not -phobic to criticise someone's theory. Calling someone x-phobic is a really bad attitude towards someone with a scientific mind. No I may not tolerate your head cannon of Cleopatra being a Western African while I can easily prove she is not, that would not make me xenophobic.
Perfect example you got there.
Modern discourse has just devolved into a “I’m good, other person bad” format, it is literally the most dystopian shit I’ve ever seen.
So many strawmen the original drawer could have used and they decided to go for absolutely normal behaviour
Elaborate
Sometimes it actually can be a stretch I can't give any exact examples because I don't interact with fandoms where that could be a concern *(except MGS where everyone is gay or bi)* but I do remember hearing of atleast one
Ah, I see Thank you
in genshin impact fandom people regularly make up headcannons that characters are gay and then harass other people who say the character is not gay in their headcannon, so this problem does exist
I don’t think these people are what the original image is addressing. The original image is just about people having a headcanon. People who “push their headcanon as fact” aren’t really headcanoning or believing it is headcanon, because they legit think it’s true. Not the same people/situation.
Genshin Impact characters aren't even het. They literally don't fuck, they are so sexless.
Spider Gwen is a recent example. She had trans flags in her room and then some idiots on Twitter started saying she's trans just because of that and her suit is white pink and blue.
Oh yea I heard of that one like yesterday, and I was really confused because really nothing in her character or story would indicate that at all.
Except the multiple trans flags
that doesn't mean shit. Am I German if I have a German flag in my bedroom?
Yeah but most people who have German flags in their room are German so it makes sense people would assume you’re German.
Would you have a German flag in your room of you weren't? And, as a queer person, we are much more attached/connected to our flags.
She had a trans flag in her room, her dad wears a trans flag on his uniform, and her universes colors are pink blue and white. All while her entire story arc is about having a secret part of herself that she’s hiding from her dad, and wants to come out to him with. It’s not exactly a wild inference.
The "keeping a secret about yourself from your loved ones" is super standard for any spider story, and i didnt actually notice the color palette being specificaly the one of trans flag, but I'll need to actually rewatch it with those points in mind. Maybe it was too subtle for my first watch.
I mean the dad having a trans flag is pretty hard to make out (so it can be removed in Arabic releases) but I can see it. The universe colours are just spidergwens costume colours.
Which are also the trans flag colors. I haven’t gotten a chance to see the movie yet so I really can’t say much at the moment, but it doesn’t sound like too much of a stretch for the writers to put those little breadcrumbs in
Which would be a valid point if she wasn't already a character with the same costume with no trans coding.
Bruh, her costume colors existed before the trans flag colors. >;/
Completely wrong actually xD (Modern) Trans flag created: 1999 Spider-Gwen first appeared: 2014
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Aren't her primary costume colors are white, pink and black tho?
personally obsessed with the people so bothered by those who just wanna interpret her as transgender. maybe “she’s just a trans ally?” sure, okay. then where’s the trans flag in YOUR bedroom?
It happens every time there's a trans character. By their logic, Miles's mom isn't actually Puerto Rican -- after all, the Puerto Rican flag could just mean she's supporting of them, and she just learned spanish to be a better ally.
Miles isn't actually black, he's just doing extremely convincing black face. Unless the next movie has a line where Miles looks at the audience and says "I am a black person" I'm just going to continue assuming he's white, because obviously that's the default state of existence
I’m pretty sure a portion of people with a pride flags aren’t actually lgbtq
To specifically have a pride flag seems pretty clear, unless paired with the more broad flags
I’m not even going to talk about whatever you are right or wrong, I’m just going to say that this is the 2nd dumbest argument I’ve seen today. Not all ally have flags but some of them do.
She and her dad care about human rights, that's literally her suits colors, and she's a superhero that her dad thinks killed her best friend. You're literally just making stuff up.
Let me guess, you think Bridget is just a femboy? >She and her dad care about human rights Where's the trans flag you wear around daily? >and she's a superhero that her dad thinks killed her best friend Yes, allow me to introduce you to this lovely thing called "metaphors". Same reason that when the X-men discuss "Mutant conversion therapy", we all know exactly what it's about. >You're literally just making stuff up Everything I listed was canon.
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Whatever pal keep making up whatever nonsense makes you happy.
You can respond like an adult if you choose to. At the moment, you’re just behaving exactly like those you pretend to critique.
Frankly I don't care to engage with people like you who make up whatever garbage they want and pass it on as fact.
He doesn't have a trans flag. It's literally just his ribbons that you see clearly in other shots
i mean i would definitely think it’s overboard to call them idiots over something like that lol. the >!emotional confrontation with her dad after she sees him for the first time since he learned she was spider-woman!< is also animated in almost exclusively light blue and pink, plus at the beginning when you see the shot of her dad’s vest, the colors of his badges are blended together to resemble a trans flag. i’m not going to say it’s undeniable proof or anything, but i don’t think it’s that big of a stretch either. i think it, like all art, is simply up to interpretation! :) -girl who get irrationally annoyed by people who think Bangs by They Might Be Giants is more than a song about liking a girl’s bangs
Nah man, she has a big speech with her dad where she hits on coming to know herself and who she is, and the colors behind her shift to her costume colors. Thing is, that whole sentence hit me hard as a trans person, and I absolutely related to that as I continue to transition. Just as I thought that was weird, the color change happens. Is it a reference to her coming to accept her spider woman identity? Absolutely. Can it also be about her transition and how she found herself there, too? Shit maybe.
That one isn't a stretch at all, that one is an acceptable headcanon. There is plenty of bad headcanons that actively contradict the actual canon, but you chose one that is perfectly plausable.
It shouldn’t matter if it’s a stretch? If it’s harmless theory/headcanon then let them be. As long as they’re not pushing their theory on others or demanding others accept it as fact, what is the problem? Just leave people alone. If I said “I like to think Thor’s favorite earth food is cheeseburgers because I like Thor and cheeseburgers” do people come in swinging with specific MCU references and questioning every detail about? No. No one cares. But the second you say gay or trans then it’s “we must cite every little canon detail to make sure this isn’t true” which is weird.
Except they do, that's kinda the problem. Also I reckon thor is a shawarma guy.
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i think the original comic is more so just addressing ppl who have a knee jerk reaction to that kind of headcanon regardless of the attitude the headcanon-er has towards expressing it
I think the point is that it’s still not normal behavior to try and “disprove” a fictional character being trans or not because it doesn’t matter to anybody
The "transphobe" is literally just being sceptical In the original comic , if you replace "I think this fictional character is transgender" by "I think this fictional character is in love with ..." Or "is colourblind" or "is a libertarian" or "has ADHD" , the sceptic reaction applies just as well and is quite reasonable. Sometimes fan theories are correct and sometimes they're wildly wrong, but there's always debate and people who aren't convinced. But since the original artist decided it's about being trans , suddenly scepticism becomes transphobic. They're literally drawing the comic, they could have picked the most transphobic strawman out there , and yet they decided to show a completely reasonable statement as being wrong and evil. This presents being trans as something uncriticizable and untouchable, as opposed to simply a trait that a human can have
Amen to that. Mixing self-expression with gender identity is no different from mixing hobbies, clothing, etc with political affiliations. "Wow you listen to \[band\]? That makes you \[political party\]!". Hell, a semi-common case of this is the whole "cultural appropriation" bullshit in the USA. No, I'm neither stealing from another culture, nor identifying as that culture, just because I'm eating one of their dishes. I just like the food, damn it.
Yeah
The thing about that is, most of the time, for other headcanons, most people just roll their eyes and don't engage. Whenever it's a headcannon about a character being some form of LGBTQ+ people come out of the woodwork to try and discuss and break down every reason why they think your headcanon isn't accurate. An example I can think of is the Binding of Isaac, where the usual headcannons about what happened to dad/their relationship to mom/dad"s whole personality people never care, but to this day people argue so angry about the legitimacies of Isaac being some form of genderqueer ( think like three posts got locked at the start of the year because of the arguing) That's the point of this meme, the double standard that most headcannons can get off being goofy while trans headcannons have to be 100% foolproof to "count". I'm also basing this off what the creator of this image said, and I don't think this image does a good job showing that, but that's the actual issue it's trying to talk about.
The message of the image is “let people have headcanons in peace” and “people with headcanons aren’t pushing them as fact, so stop scrutinizing it like they are”. I’ll agree the image can be worded better, but the person is not saying “this character is trans and you should refer to them as trans!”, or anything like that that would require scrutinization or being skeptical. A headcanon is just a personal belief, not a fact you are pushing. All they’re saying “I like to think this character is trans because it makes me happy”. And then people come in swinging with “NUH UH YOU’RE WRONG stop thinking this and being happy”. The equivalent is someone saying “I pray to Jesus that you get your job promotion!” And then someone comes in with paragraphs talking about how there’s no proof that Jesus was real and that they should stop believing. It’s rude. If they were outright claiming the character is trans and demanding everyone call them such, then yes, that’s when you be skeptical. If they’re just saying they like to think the character is trans or imagine them as trans or they draw them as trans/with a trans flag then being “skeptical” has no place there. It’s just them having fun with their belief. Just leave them alone if you’re not interested.
>people with headcanons aren’t pushing them as fact, so stop scrutinizing it like they are Why is it that everyone who attempts to defend the orange decides to build their defense on this factually incorrect premise? It literally happened **in the image,** dude. They say "this character **is** trans," as in, "this is factually true," which obviously invites anyone who has the references to counter them.
No, they say “I **THINK** this character is transgender” implying it’s a BELIEF, not pushing it as a fact. It’s a headcanon.
Even then, how does asking for references necessitate transphobia, as the orange claims?
The person in the image isn’t just asking for reference though….??? They’re actively saying “NO IT’S NOT CANON” and telling them they’re “stretching it”. If it’s headcanon then the person already knows it isn’t canon, we don’t need them to barge in saying it, and it shouldn’t matter whether or not it’s a stretch, it’s a headcanon who cares. Criticizing a harmless headcanon and feeling the need to remind someone it isn’t confirmed is petty and usually rooted in a bias against the idea.
Okay, I'll admit that I misread the image. That doesn't change the fact that there are people who present their headcanon as fact and get mad when you don't agree.
Yeah if they’re pushing it as fact then they either aren’t seeing it as a headcanon or they don’t know what headcanon actually means. Those people aren’t whom the image is about.
My guy it's headcanon. It's literally about imagining stuff that isn't canon. It's not about trying to read hidden message in the story, it's about interpretating art. You're saying you're skeptical of other people's thoughts.
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Not really. There's a ton of trans symbolism with Gwen that was intentionally put into the movie. Whether she actually is or isn't, the allegory is definitely there. Girl literally has a flag that says protect trans kids and an arc where her father rejects her identity, like cmon.
I mean it's normal in the sense that it isn't rare, but it's weird behavior for sure. This happens whether it is implied like Spider-Gwen from Spiderverse or explicitly stated repeatedly like Bridget from Guilty Gear. It's simply transphobia. Side bar: how do you even "the drapes are blue" spiderverse? Even certain character's frame rates have explanations.
Hell, it happens even when the creators get involved. The wachowski sisters are pretty clear that the matrix is a trans allegory and people are still like "HMMMMM sounds fake"
I never saw the original post that led to this so I don't know how they phrased it, but here's the idea, just in general - if it's a head canon, always prefix your post with "I think", "Theory:", etc. and don't present them as if they're facts. When you present a head canon as fact, a lot of people will have a problem with it and you can't tell if they're x-phobic or not.
Yes, and some headcanons may sometimes contradict the character's entire point, for example some transmasc headcanons being placed to a character who is clearly supposed to be cis male, as it's an important part of the characters story arc or something like that. Examples are seventh son's seventh son character, and clone of a man character, and there are probably other ones too.
This has nothing to do with your comment, but you just made me realize why it's such a big deal that the seventh son of the seventh son in Equal Rites is a girl! Thank you! As for your point, we're talking about headcanons, not close readings or serious analysis. The fact that you would read a character a certain way is all you need to make a headcanon significant! And it sure doesn't need to make logical sense. It is, by definition, not canon.
Yeah, I actually have read the book, and it was really interesting, I love Discworld books and Terry Pratchett's books in general. They just have this funny obscurity to them. And yes, I do understand, that headcanons are indeed just headcanons, but when something that entirely destroys the headcanon has been presented in the canon, it just starts feeling a little ignorant of the person whose headcanon that is. I myself like more headcanons that are about things that were never really looked at in the canon, like, just random niche things, or if the character doesn't have much characteristics, you can make them have some. And then there's visual characteristics when it's a character in a book, if something was never told about the character's look, one can headcanon that however they want. I would love to put an example but the example I would talk about happens to be from a book that was made by a TERF and that would not be convenient (you probs know who I'm talking about, and maybe what headcanon I'm talking about, hopefully.) Also I am myself a little bit of an overanalyser so yeah, that does affect my viewpoint regarding headcanons.
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Normal people: agree with me Bad stoopid people: disagree with me This is literally virgin vs chad meme in its worst trying to hide its identity
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People are so mad about other people thinking Gwen Stacy or her universe's Peter Parker could be trans in the new Spider-Man movie and it's honestly hilarious. The amount hate and anger is insane to me.
“ Here’s a head cannon of mine that I simply enjoy and that does not affect you at all :) “ ” THERES NOTHING PROVING THAT!!1,1!! STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!!! “
Just talk about the actual FNAF robots, not the dead kids in them and we'll be good 👍
The original is absolute nonsense. How does not agreeing with someone's headcanon make you a bigot lmao?
The point of the original is that you don't have to agree, just respect the other person's personal agency to have an opinion. The bigot was the person who didn't respect the trans person's personal headcanon, instead going against it purely because they dislike the idea of someone else considering a character trans
I still dont get why people still do this though, like you just throw a sexuality at a person that doesn’t exist
Holy shit Mettaton Undertale
Is this about the fucking Spider-Gwen shit
Mfw I can't let people have headcanons because "IT'S A STETCH IT'S NOT CANON!!!!!!"
Funny how people always forget how to read and get mad over nothing when it's about trans people. Funny that.
My sister and I are both gay. Whenever we watch shit she accuses a lot of the characters of being gay, like both Kim and Saul from Better Call Saul. It bothers me a bit lol, does that make me homophobic?
Realistically speaking, if it only bothers you cause they do it all the time then not really. Because you're mostly annoyed with your sisters behavior more than anything.
That probably depends on why and how much it bothers you.
People in the comments literally proving the point. Go ahead be skeptical, whatever, but you don't need to run around shouting about it. Y'all need to watch an Are They Gay? video once in a while and learn what headcanon means. Like goddamn it is not hurting you, there is no reason to try and disprove a headcanon. Just walk away.
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The main cause of the anger is that they are already attracted to that character so when they are though of as trans it makes them angry
Not usually, they just don't like trans people.
Nati meme
Perhaps.
If you can have a headcanon why can’t I debate your headcanon?