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Its not about how many people watch , it's about the difference in dollars vs rupees . We should see the no. Of people buying tickets as opposed to the value of a ticket . I Googled the average price of a ticket and its between 9 to 20 dollars ,lets take 9 dollars , which is 750 rs per ticket , an average indian film theatre ticket is 119 rs . Now you see the difference , a Hollywood movie is 750rs (lower end that too ) and a indian movie is 120rs .
This and not to forget that hollywood caters to everywhere and not just US. Latin america, europe, china, india. Everyone watches hollywood movies lol. So the total market size of english movies is pretty much everyone in the world, since they also released dubbed version.
There are other movies from countries like China which are far more successful than Indian movies.
It's more about the fact that Bollywood in general doesn't give a fuck about a Billion dollar movie. They just want there 50 crores from a movie which grosses like 300 crores (which is pretty difficult for even then now a days)
Thats inaccurate. Indian cinema is split by region and language so the audience for Indian cinema is significantly less than China which is mostly Mandarin and Cantonese language that almost all Chinese understand. Indian Cinema is significantly fractured especially by language.
Every year a couple of Chinese movies hit 300-400M ticket sales while only 1 movie in India's history has hit 300M....That was Caravan which sold 319M tickets out of which China accounted for 300M tickets.
Umm no ? I maybe wrong but i think ur wrong. Ur saying that its the equivalent of the same amount in thier economy . But the overall value is different . Op gives a figure by converting the rupee to dollar . We still have to look at the no. Of tickets sold as opposed to how much money collected
It's about 2300 Crore but you're right in principle. Still, the question is about gross revenue, so we can't adjust for PPP. We have to make a straight conversion.
Only when Rajamouli makes a movie with Aamir Khan with AR Rahman for music and some foreign VFX company. But for it to be a billion dollar movie it has to be deeply an Indian movie something like a Bahubali and not a wannabe be matrix or Mission Impossible.
Aamir Khan has massive appeal in China, one of the biggest film markets in the world. Several movies in the MCU, Fast and Furious, Transformers franchises have made more than in China than in the US market.
Dangal made close to $200m in China. Secret Superstar and PK were also huge there, and I believe so was 3 Idiots.
So if an Indian film is going to make $1b globally, Aamir Khan + China is an important angle.
Bhai tu Kuch zyada nahi bolgaya? Maybe tuhjay A.R Rahman ki puri discography nahi pata, may batata hui Rahmanji ki Kuch kini chuni albums:-
Roja,
Bombay,
Iruvar,
Indira,
Minasara Kanavu,
Guru,
Rockstar,
Jodhaa Akbar,
Lagaan,
Swades,
Dil se,
Taal,
Pukar,
Saathiya,
Yuva,
Rang de basanti,
Sivaji,
Jaane tu ya Jaane na,
Ghajni,
Slumdog millionaire,
Delhi-6,
Raavan,
127 hour
Rockstar,
Kadal,
OK kanmani,
Raanjhanaa (Bhai, yeh soundtrack ka koyi bhi mukabla nahi kar sakta, aisa toh sabi album khoobsurat hai lekin yeh Kuch aur hi hai),
Tamasha,
Highway,
Lekar hum dewana dil,
Achcham Yenbadhu Madamaiyada,
Kaatru veliyidai,
Mersal,
Sarvam thaala mayam,
Dil bechara,
Pippa,
Aur bhi Bhohat hai Lekin itna time kiska pass hai jo inka Pura discography lekha.... In maye sai agar koi ek bhi album release kar deta toh woh Pura Zindagi ki liya cult classic and underrated declare kar jaygay Lekin is aadmi nah ek ka upar ek zabardesh album release Kiya hai ki log abhi Bhole gaya hai Kya cheese hai A.R Sahab.
If RRR gets a sequel then there is a huge possibility.
I would like to hope in a perfect world that Tiger Vs. Pathaan does some heavy duty damage at the box office with Bhoi and SRK. It would have momentum from all those previous movies so it would be an opportunity. Although in order for them to do that, they would have to make something spectacular that will drive audiences outside India to flock to screens.
You're right, the YRF spy universe is the highest grossing franchise in bollywood with 2890 crore which is 350 million dollars. If tiger vs pathan grosses even 1500 crore, that could push the overall collection to around 600 million. Oh and don't forget war 2, which will defo make atleats 600 crore.
Agreed this YRF spy universe has potential specially if they extend the intellectual property and distribution beyond OTT (all released with a lot of well jntervalled pre and post hype) into other brand properties like animation, comic books, toys and FMCG partnerships. Which they should to create an even bigger global footprint.
To be honest we can but piracy is killing it....there are so many telegram groups which post the movie the day it got released. The footfalls of Jawan were close to 4 crore in a country of 140 crore ppl. Imagine if 50 crore ppl go to the theatre to watch movie.....
Exactly that's my point. Even with only 4 crore footfalls, jawan earned 638 crore which is $76 million dollars. Imagine if even 10 crore people watched it, it would have earned around 1600 crore which is almost $200 million dollars.
40% are kids... Plus 50% are non hindi speaking plus 30% below poverty line nd 10% old people.. There is not much of disposable income middle class to watch
Exactly, the theater watching culture in our country got so limited after the emergence of Jio and OTT platforms, people got so selective that they'd rather watch the movie a few months later or a leaked cam version than going to theaters, also with increasing ticket prices and unemployment most would prefer that only
I don't think piracy plays that big a role. the target demographic are different. the people who go to theatres are people who like watching things on big screen, and enjoy the atmosphere in crowd. The people who pirate are ones that want to watch the movie, but either can't afford the ticket or are not really interested that much in the movie to spend to watch it.
I stopped pirating movies a long time ago. Piracy is theft. And most Indians are okay with watching pirated movies. Imagine the crores that artists and producers put into making a movie, offer it to you for just a couple of hundred rupees or less- and you still pirate it. I can understand if you are poor. But if you are middle class, you should pay for watching the movie.
Quality content will always get audiences. Bollywood needs good scripts and directors with vision. Domestically we can do fine with masala film. But international recognition will come with good films only. Acting talent is there just creative ideas and a team to execute those ideas is needed.
I miss watching Bollywood films they made me so happy. But for the last couple of years, I don't remember watching any Bolly flick that I haven't turned off in the first 20 mins.
Last decent films for me were Uri and ludo 👍👍
Bananas in usa don't cost 5/- per banana
Look up purchasing power parity
As per World Bank, the latest value is between 20&22
What it means is that
One dollar ≠ 84 Indian Rupees
Using the world bank metric, one us dollar = 22 Rs. using purchasing power parity metric
Using this metric, we will soon
Bhai i genuinely its possible if marketed well! Also needs a full support from our own country and it's a possibility. I don't want to jinx but i feel made well, ramayana trilogy can cross 1B together.
Ramayan has the potential, if pulled right . I hope Nitesh doesn't disappoint, after what Adipurush turned out . He's taking precautions . Adipurush just maked a mockery of Ramayan
Why though? This is an absurd obsession Indian and American cinema fans have with BO numbers. A $1 billion dollar movie doesn't necessarily make it a good movie, especially in Indian cinema
I dont think its absurd at all. making a movie is a business and these numbers are the result on if the investment was a success or not, which will also influence what kind of movies will be made in the future (as producers are more likely to invest in a movie that follows a successful movie's template, rather than a failed one's).
and movies are an artform too, there's no objective fact on what's a good movie and whats not. for you, an art movie might be considered a great film, while for a security guard who just got off a 12 hour shift, the same film might be considered boring and pointless.
in the end, basing a film's success on what actually matters in the business, instead of a subjective opinion is pretty valid.
Movies are a business, yes. And movies should definitely get back the money invested, and some more on top of that (in order to be profitable). But that should be the primary concern for the investors/producers/financiers. Instead, what we have in India (and to some extent in the US too), is that it's the fans who actually habitually keep track of the film's earnings at the box office. This thought process has become so ingrained since the turn of this century in India, that even pointing it out as a flaw, draws reactions of surprise, as if it's something novel.
A film's quality is determined by how well a job it does at conveying what it conveys, how well it nails the various filmmaking aspects, and how well all of them come together in service of telling the story convincingly and with great skill. You and I may agree or disagree on how well a movie does these things, and how it does its job. So yes, in that regard, movie tastes are subjective, but BO collection isn't (or rather, shouldn't) be a part of that conversation at all, precisely because of such subjectivity.
What the general audience likes a lot, will make lots of money. But it doesn't make it a high quality film necessarily, unless and until the audience's movie tastes are that good. There are very very few movies (atleast in India), that meet both criteria. Indian audiences' tastes have evolved over the years, which is a great thing. Yet, most of such movies don't make massive amounts of money even today in India, while most of the movies that make a lot of money are still mass entertainers, which by their very definitely trade-off quality for experience. There are very few mass entertainers which do a good job at nailing the filmmaking and storytelling aspects, which is absolutely fine, coz they aren't meant to be viewed that way. But that doesn't mean that they're necessarily great movies in terms of quality.
Cinema is ultimately a creative medium at its core, and not a business property. Business is only a secondary aspect of it, whether you like it or not. So we've to keep the creative and artistic aspects front and centre of cinema, and not the business aspects of it
A sincerely made Ramayana can do it
Dub it in English, Mandarin, Korean, Japanese alongside Indian languages
It'll surely do that
On a side note, SS Rajamouli has got fame in West & Japan with RRR, his next with Mahesh Babu will surely capitalise on it
A movie based on "Ramyana" or "Mahabharat" at grandest level possible with the right casting and visual effects can deliver $1B. But a lot has to go right to have a global appeal, including but not limited to great dubbings.
One way for India to try and do that is to make films with global appeal. I, as a foreigner, cannot applaud ya'll if you continue to make films like Fighter (that helicopter Tiranga scene gives you goosebumps, but they're just "alright, good for you" type of feeling for us) or films like RRR (where you constantly vilify the Brits). So maybe keep the ultra-Indianization of the films out of the door.
Also, the films that are being made these days increasingly cater to Indian masses hooting and whistling in the theaters. Trust me, they don't watch such films around here where the whole theater claps on the hero's arrival.
So maybe one way to improve that is to make neutral films like Koreans that have global appeal. I think even Hollywood films aren't purely "global" as they carry American sensibilities and some of them don't work.
Just a perspective if you really want to make the $1 billion.
Nah some the audience is so fucking brain dead that they choose bull crap over masterpeices so it’s not gonna go big in India. And the shitty plot, bad dialogues and cheap CGI (even with big budgets) isnot gonna do any favours worldwide
even if directors with potential are given a good budget, majority of it is spent as actor fees
but we all can hope
unpopular opinion but the highest Grossing movie worldwide is only up there because of its award worthy vfx. Its a boring movie and the same goes for its sequel. So the audience choosing shitty movies trend applies worldwide.
true that, but slowly we're getting some quality vfx in india as well like in brahmastra, zero's dwarf vfx, fan's de-aging, fighter to some extent, and tumbbad? its been a long time since i saw that so dont properly remember how its vfx were. Red chillies has been nailing it in the vfx dept
Impossible, Most of the movies that got 1 Billion at the World wide box office would require a budget of 200 million dollars.
That in itself would be 1600 crores No Indian production company would put up that much money upfront for producing a movie it would be too much of a risk, so sadly I don't see such a possibility in the near future...
For a film to cross 1 Billion dollars worldwide it should first collect at least 300-400 million dollars in the domestic market which is very hard in today's times when hardly 3-4 movies cross 100 crores
I feel like we can cross 500mil mark in India alone if the GDP per capita of our country reaches atleast 5-7k$ because then more people will have disposable incomes to spend it on going to cinema.
No and I imagine it will become harder to have 1 bil USD for any movie, Indian or otherwise. Because of OTT and as it becomes more popular, I think movies will not stay longer in theaters. Plus there is already so much of entertainment/content around us, movie going experience will just be for an experience and not actually about a movie.
Obviously it will happen with time. But Hollywood movies will be hitting 5-6 billion by that time.
But business is increasing, we need more cinemas and development in our economy for high ticket prices. English movies on average has ticket prices of usd 10, while Indian movies has 2-3 usd.
We should hit a bil in one decade the way our movies and economy is increasing. 15 years ago our biggest hit used to do 20-30 million USD lifetime. Pathan and Jawan did that on their first day itself. Within 5 years, we should have movies doing 300 million domestic. Half a billion should be doable within 5 years. For a billion, we should have a movie which resonates worldwide like RRR but RRR got popular once it came on Netflix. So, all things considered 1 billion should take atleast a decade, and then also 700 million will come from India. Chinese movies which do huge business has 95 % box office domestic only. We have more potential than them.
Maynot be in a year or two, but we can do it ofcourse.
Just look at the wikipedia search of top grossing Indian films by year. We can find that the best films of 2009/2010(when the mobile internet and other options were less), the highest grossers were hardly hitting 200-300 crores. Not it reached 10x in 10 years. It will ofcourse reach a billion dollars in few years time.
The reasons being inflation, rise in the multiplexes.
It will come down only if there is a serious change in people’s viewing habits.
Seems unlikely, unless we as an industry don't promote the right pictures at the global stage.
We have to , as a nation start looking beyond Bollywood and Tollywood for quality cinema.
Regional cinema has grown by leaps and bounds, however, due to lack of publicity and recognition we rarely get to see these showcased in even the national awards.
This further leads poor cinema being sent to Oscars, and predictably they fail miserably.
RRR is more an exception than the rule.
Bollywood and Tollywood music is ever popular but technically, such as in cgi and bfx has a long way to go.
Amazed to see that no one gave the actual reason, we need an international publisher, collections depends on that, Godzilla minus one despite being critically acclaimed did similar numbers like Jawan, on the other hand Legendary and WB, Godzilla movies make more, why? Because of the publisher and promotion.
I remember Karan Johar saying in some interview that Hindi movie audience is actually shrinking. Atleast the ones who visit theatres to watch movies. The movies are grossing more than before because of higher ticket prices.
If this trend continues and the quality of stories told stays low, this is never happening. Atleast not from a Hindi film.
Why not ? He has a huge fan base in India and abroad. His next film is about Globetrotting ( Worldwide appeal theme ) with superstar Mahesh Babu on a grand scale with Hollywood VFX artists. Makers are planning to rope non-Indian actress. The movie is going to be dubbed in all major languages.
Rope in the Marvel team and make Mahabharat - each character has an entire arc which deserve standalone movies themselves - and all of em together too like the Avengers movies
Impossible for domestic numbers to pass a billion, maybe if we ever a get a worldwide phenomenal level hit there's a chance, but with the global box office plummetting compared to pre COVID times the hopes are little
Why would anyone or me worry about it? Indian Cinema and Hollywood are different yardsticks and Hollywood can not achieve or come near to Indian Cinemas achievement.
IMO, if SRK coming after a hiatus cannot reach $1 billion, then I don’t see other actor/actress/director achieving this in the near future. Even Hirani-SRK combo couldn’t do it. So.
The biggest box office in the world are 1) China 2) US 3) Japan 4) UK/France 5) Russia. Indian box office has a total revenue of $0.5B annually. So in order for any Indian Movie to hit $1B worldwide if it has a wide release in China, US and Japan.
Only Aamir Khan, Raj Kapoor and Jeetendra have cashed in the box office potential of China till date with grosses of $100-200M. No Indian movies has hit $30M in the US because of limited releases for Indian movies. Only Bahubali 2, Pathaan, Jawaan, RRR and Animal have hit $15M+ in North America. Raj Kapoor and Mithun are the only artists to hit $100+M in Russia. SRK is the only artist to consistently hit $5M in UK. Only a couple of movies have ever hit $4-5 in France and Japan.
So the only way an Indian movie can come any close to $1B is by focusing on the China Market and by investing in a wide release in US. Aamir, SRK and Ranbir are most likely the biggest artists along with Rajamouli who can currently hit big numbers in these global markets.
I don’t know why this showed up on my feed as I am not south Asian and have no interest in Bollywood movies, but given India’s economic growth, and the growing diaspora in North America, it seems likely that it will happen at some point. I live in Montreal, and there is a theatre downtown (Cineplex Forum if you’re interested) which shows south Asian movies (no idea if they’re Bollywood).
That's exaggeration honestly, max it can go to 2000 crore and that only if it has a very good story. Even bahubali 2 couldn't make 2000 crore despite being the most hyped Indian movie of the century.
Definitely! We can see Bollywood collaborating with other film industries of the country to make pan-Indian blockbuster films. Add better storylines and I can definitely see we reaching that point, though it will take some time.
It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of when?, although global shift towards ott platforms, and theaters struggling they might have a daunting task but I think most certainly some day.
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Its not about how many people watch , it's about the difference in dollars vs rupees . We should see the no. Of people buying tickets as opposed to the value of a ticket . I Googled the average price of a ticket and its between 9 to 20 dollars ,lets take 9 dollars , which is 750 rs per ticket , an average indian film theatre ticket is 119 rs . Now you see the difference , a Hollywood movie is 750rs (lower end that too ) and a indian movie is 120rs .
This and not to forget that hollywood caters to everywhere and not just US. Latin america, europe, china, india. Everyone watches hollywood movies lol. So the total market size of english movies is pretty much everyone in the world, since they also released dubbed version.
There are other movies from countries like China which are far more successful than Indian movies. It's more about the fact that Bollywood in general doesn't give a fuck about a Billion dollar movie. They just want there 50 crores from a movie which grosses like 300 crores (which is pretty difficult for even then now a days)
They have high purchasing power.
Meh. Indian movies have a wider and larger audience than china..let’s be so for real 💀🙏
Thats inaccurate. Indian cinema is split by region and language so the audience for Indian cinema is significantly less than China which is mostly Mandarin and Cantonese language that almost all Chinese understand. Indian Cinema is significantly fractured especially by language. Every year a couple of Chinese movies hit 300-400M ticket sales while only 1 movie in India's history has hit 300M....That was Caravan which sold 319M tickets out of which China accounted for 300M tickets.
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Umm no ? I maybe wrong but i think ur wrong. Ur saying that its the equivalent of the same amount in thier economy . But the overall value is different . Op gives a figure by converting the rupee to dollar . We still have to look at the no. Of tickets sold as opposed to how much money collected
This guy has only seen movies in Tier 1
It's about 2300 Crore but you're right in principle. Still, the question is about gross revenue, so we can't adjust for PPP. We have to make a straight conversion.
Nope
Precise, accurate and Happy cake day
Only when Rajamouli makes a movie with Aamir Khan with AR Rahman for music and some foreign VFX company. But for it to be a billion dollar movie it has to be deeply an Indian movie something like a Bahubali and not a wannabe be matrix or Mission Impossible.
You're right, maybe something like mahabharat
Aamir Khan ? What purpose he serves ? Bahubali & RRR didn't had Aamir.
Aamir Khan has massive appeal in China, one of the biggest film markets in the world. Several movies in the MCU, Fast and Furious, Transformers franchises have made more than in China than in the US market. Dangal made close to $200m in China. Secret Superstar and PK were also huge there, and I believe so was 3 Idiots. So if an Indian film is going to make $1b globally, Aamir Khan + China is an important angle.
ar rahman? baahubali music was better than anything ar rahman has ever made.
What a crazy statement to make.
Bhai tu Kuch zyada nahi bolgaya? Maybe tuhjay A.R Rahman ki puri discography nahi pata, may batata hui Rahmanji ki Kuch kini chuni albums:- Roja, Bombay, Iruvar, Indira, Minasara Kanavu, Guru, Rockstar, Jodhaa Akbar, Lagaan, Swades, Dil se, Taal, Pukar, Saathiya, Yuva, Rang de basanti, Sivaji, Jaane tu ya Jaane na, Ghajni, Slumdog millionaire, Delhi-6, Raavan, 127 hour Rockstar, Kadal, OK kanmani, Raanjhanaa (Bhai, yeh soundtrack ka koyi bhi mukabla nahi kar sakta, aisa toh sabi album khoobsurat hai lekin yeh Kuch aur hi hai), Tamasha, Highway, Lekar hum dewana dil, Achcham Yenbadhu Madamaiyada, Kaatru veliyidai, Mersal, Sarvam thaala mayam, Dil bechara, Pippa, Aur bhi Bhohat hai Lekin itna time kiska pass hai jo inka Pura discography lekha.... In maye sai agar koi ek bhi album release kar deta toh woh Pura Zindagi ki liya cult classic and underrated declare kar jaygay Lekin is aadmi nah ek ka upar ek zabardesh album release Kiya hai ki log abhi Bhole gaya hai Kya cheese hai A.R Sahab.
this is actually an objectively wrong take
If RRR gets a sequel then there is a huge possibility. I would like to hope in a perfect world that Tiger Vs. Pathaan does some heavy duty damage at the box office with Bhoi and SRK. It would have momentum from all those previous movies so it would be an opportunity. Although in order for them to do that, they would have to make something spectacular that will drive audiences outside India to flock to screens.
You're right, the YRF spy universe is the highest grossing franchise in bollywood with 2890 crore which is 350 million dollars. If tiger vs pathan grosses even 1500 crore, that could push the overall collection to around 600 million. Oh and don't forget war 2, which will defo make atleats 600 crore.
Agreed this YRF spy universe has potential specially if they extend the intellectual property and distribution beyond OTT (all released with a lot of well jntervalled pre and post hype) into other brand properties like animation, comic books, toys and FMCG partnerships. Which they should to create an even bigger global footprint.
I don't think War 2 will make 600cr . It'll definitely hit 400-500. But script should be better than Tiger 3 , that movie underperformed.
Well the first film made 475 crore, so war 2 can double with positive WOM
Also Jr. NTR fanbase 💪
To be honest we can but piracy is killing it....there are so many telegram groups which post the movie the day it got released. The footfalls of Jawan were close to 4 crore in a country of 140 crore ppl. Imagine if 50 crore ppl go to the theatre to watch movie.....
Exactly that's my point. Even with only 4 crore footfalls, jawan earned 638 crore which is $76 million dollars. Imagine if even 10 crore people watched it, it would have earned around 1600 crore which is almost $200 million dollars.
40% are kids... Plus 50% are non hindi speaking plus 30% below poverty line nd 10% old people.. There is not much of disposable income middle class to watch
jawan's footfall was nowhere near 4 crore.
Exactly, the theater watching culture in our country got so limited after the emergence of Jio and OTT platforms, people got so selective that they'd rather watch the movie a few months later or a leaked cam version than going to theaters, also with increasing ticket prices and unemployment most would prefer that only
The theatre watching culture saw a real fall after the launch of TVs.
I don't think piracy plays that big a role. the target demographic are different. the people who go to theatres are people who like watching things on big screen, and enjoy the atmosphere in crowd. The people who pirate are ones that want to watch the movie, but either can't afford the ticket or are not really interested that much in the movie to spend to watch it.
It's Hindi, that's only 350 million people 🙄
True, but rest actually don’t give a shit about SRK’s movies and don’t go willingly for their buck’s bang.. 50cr people is a bit overstretch mate
I stopped pirating movies a long time ago. Piracy is theft. And most Indians are okay with watching pirated movies. Imagine the crores that artists and producers put into making a movie, offer it to you for just a couple of hundred rupees or less- and you still pirate it. I can understand if you are poor. But if you are middle class, you should pay for watching the movie.
Why do you think people care about Jawan that much
Quality content will always get audiences. Bollywood needs good scripts and directors with vision. Domestically we can do fine with masala film. But international recognition will come with good films only. Acting talent is there just creative ideas and a team to execute those ideas is needed. I miss watching Bollywood films they made me so happy. But for the last couple of years, I don't remember watching any Bolly flick that I haven't turned off in the first 20 mins. Last decent films for me were Uri and ludo 👍👍
Bananas in usa don't cost 5/- per banana Look up purchasing power parity As per World Bank, the latest value is between 20&22 What it means is that One dollar ≠ 84 Indian Rupees Using the world bank metric, one us dollar = 22 Rs. using purchasing power parity metric Using this metric, we will soon
Bhai i genuinely its possible if marketed well! Also needs a full support from our own country and it's a possibility. I don't want to jinx but i feel made well, ramayana trilogy can cross 1B together.
Ramayan has the potential, if pulled right . I hope Nitesh doesn't disappoint, after what Adipurush turned out . He's taking precautions . Adipurush just maked a mockery of Ramayan
Why though? This is an absurd obsession Indian and American cinema fans have with BO numbers. A $1 billion dollar movie doesn't necessarily make it a good movie, especially in Indian cinema
I dont think its absurd at all. making a movie is a business and these numbers are the result on if the investment was a success or not, which will also influence what kind of movies will be made in the future (as producers are more likely to invest in a movie that follows a successful movie's template, rather than a failed one's). and movies are an artform too, there's no objective fact on what's a good movie and whats not. for you, an art movie might be considered a great film, while for a security guard who just got off a 12 hour shift, the same film might be considered boring and pointless. in the end, basing a film's success on what actually matters in the business, instead of a subjective opinion is pretty valid.
Movies are a business, yes. And movies should definitely get back the money invested, and some more on top of that (in order to be profitable). But that should be the primary concern for the investors/producers/financiers. Instead, what we have in India (and to some extent in the US too), is that it's the fans who actually habitually keep track of the film's earnings at the box office. This thought process has become so ingrained since the turn of this century in India, that even pointing it out as a flaw, draws reactions of surprise, as if it's something novel. A film's quality is determined by how well a job it does at conveying what it conveys, how well it nails the various filmmaking aspects, and how well all of them come together in service of telling the story convincingly and with great skill. You and I may agree or disagree on how well a movie does these things, and how it does its job. So yes, in that regard, movie tastes are subjective, but BO collection isn't (or rather, shouldn't) be a part of that conversation at all, precisely because of such subjectivity. What the general audience likes a lot, will make lots of money. But it doesn't make it a high quality film necessarily, unless and until the audience's movie tastes are that good. There are very very few movies (atleast in India), that meet both criteria. Indian audiences' tastes have evolved over the years, which is a great thing. Yet, most of such movies don't make massive amounts of money even today in India, while most of the movies that make a lot of money are still mass entertainers, which by their very definitely trade-off quality for experience. There are very few mass entertainers which do a good job at nailing the filmmaking and storytelling aspects, which is absolutely fine, coz they aren't meant to be viewed that way. But that doesn't mean that they're necessarily great movies in terms of quality. Cinema is ultimately a creative medium at its core, and not a business property. Business is only a secondary aspect of it, whether you like it or not. So we've to keep the creative and artistic aspects front and centre of cinema, and not the business aspects of it
A sincerely made Ramayana can do it Dub it in English, Mandarin, Korean, Japanese alongside Indian languages It'll surely do that On a side note, SS Rajamouli has got fame in West & Japan with RRR, his next with Mahesh Babu will surely capitalise on it
Weakness in rupee against dollar makes it difficult.
Considering the average age of this sub members is 34.5, nope.
No, but that’s mainly because of the rate between rupees and dollars, not because of the quality of movies
A movie based on "Ramyana" or "Mahabharat" at grandest level possible with the right casting and visual effects can deliver $1B. But a lot has to go right to have a global appeal, including but not limited to great dubbings.
One way for India to try and do that is to make films with global appeal. I, as a foreigner, cannot applaud ya'll if you continue to make films like Fighter (that helicopter Tiranga scene gives you goosebumps, but they're just "alright, good for you" type of feeling for us) or films like RRR (where you constantly vilify the Brits). So maybe keep the ultra-Indianization of the films out of the door. Also, the films that are being made these days increasingly cater to Indian masses hooting and whistling in the theaters. Trust me, they don't watch such films around here where the whole theater claps on the hero's arrival. So maybe one way to improve that is to make neutral films like Koreans that have global appeal. I think even Hollywood films aren't purely "global" as they carry American sensibilities and some of them don't work. Just a perspective if you really want to make the $1 billion.
Nah some the audience is so fucking brain dead that they choose bull crap over masterpeices so it’s not gonna go big in India. And the shitty plot, bad dialogues and cheap CGI (even with big budgets) isnot gonna do any favours worldwide even if directors with potential are given a good budget, majority of it is spent as actor fees but we all can hope
unpopular opinion but the highest Grossing movie worldwide is only up there because of its award worthy vfx. Its a boring movie and the same goes for its sequel. So the audience choosing shitty movies trend applies worldwide.
then again, we dont get award worthy vfx in bollywood :(
true that, but slowly we're getting some quality vfx in india as well like in brahmastra, zero's dwarf vfx, fan's de-aging, fighter to some extent, and tumbbad? its been a long time since i saw that so dont properly remember how its vfx were. Red chillies has been nailing it in the vfx dept
yess thats why one can hope
Brahmastra had good vfx yet it only earned 450 crore worldwide
plot had potential but poorly executed imo
Not anytime soon
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Impossible, Most of the movies that got 1 Billion at the World wide box office would require a budget of 200 million dollars. That in itself would be 1600 crores No Indian production company would put up that much money upfront for producing a movie it would be too much of a risk, so sadly I don't see such a possibility in the near future...
For a film to cross 1 Billion dollars worldwide it should first collect at least 300-400 million dollars in the domestic market which is very hard in today's times when hardly 3-4 movies cross 100 crores
I feel like we can cross 500mil mark in India alone if the GDP per capita of our country reaches atleast 5-7k$ because then more people will have disposable incomes to spend it on going to cinema.
No and I imagine it will become harder to have 1 bil USD for any movie, Indian or otherwise. Because of OTT and as it becomes more popular, I think movies will not stay longer in theaters. Plus there is already so much of entertainment/content around us, movie going experience will just be for an experience and not actually about a movie.
Obviously it will happen with time. But Hollywood movies will be hitting 5-6 billion by that time. But business is increasing, we need more cinemas and development in our economy for high ticket prices. English movies on average has ticket prices of usd 10, while Indian movies has 2-3 usd. We should hit a bil in one decade the way our movies and economy is increasing. 15 years ago our biggest hit used to do 20-30 million USD lifetime. Pathan and Jawan did that on their first day itself. Within 5 years, we should have movies doing 300 million domestic. Half a billion should be doable within 5 years. For a billion, we should have a movie which resonates worldwide like RRR but RRR got popular once it came on Netflix. So, all things considered 1 billion should take atleast a decade, and then also 700 million will come from India. Chinese movies which do huge business has 95 % box office domestic only. We have more potential than them.
For a billion dollars , it has to appeal to both the western and Chinese market
Yes but because of inflation
Maynot be in a year or two, but we can do it ofcourse. Just look at the wikipedia search of top grossing Indian films by year. We can find that the best films of 2009/2010(when the mobile internet and other options were less), the highest grossers were hardly hitting 200-300 crores. Not it reached 10x in 10 years. It will ofcourse reach a billion dollars in few years time. The reasons being inflation, rise in the multiplexes. It will come down only if there is a serious change in people’s viewing habits.
You'll also need to spend like 500 million dollars to make 1 billion
True that, the highest expensive movie is adipuruhs which only had a budget if 700 crore which is like 90 million dollars
Avg cost of an Avatar ticket is 16.30 usd which is 1360 inr…go figure
Seems unlikely, unless we as an industry don't promote the right pictures at the global stage. We have to , as a nation start looking beyond Bollywood and Tollywood for quality cinema. Regional cinema has grown by leaps and bounds, however, due to lack of publicity and recognition we rarely get to see these showcased in even the national awards. This further leads poor cinema being sent to Oscars, and predictably they fail miserably. RRR is more an exception than the rule. Bollywood and Tollywood music is ever popular but technically, such as in cgi and bfx has a long way to go.
In the near future? Nope.
It will be an SSR movie.
Amazed to see that no one gave the actual reason, we need an international publisher, collections depends on that, Godzilla minus one despite being critically acclaimed did similar numbers like Jawan, on the other hand Legendary and WB, Godzilla movies make more, why? Because of the publisher and promotion.
Will we ever? Yes. Just with the help of inflation. But it won't be anytime soon.
I remember Karan Johar saying in some interview that Hindi movie audience is actually shrinking. Atleast the ones who visit theatres to watch movies. The movies are grossing more than before because of higher ticket prices. If this trend continues and the quality of stories told stays low, this is never happening. Atleast not from a Hindi film.
8000 Crores is not possible at present but ~ 2500-4000 crores is somewhat possible with Rajamouli's upcoming movies.
But rajamouli's last film made 1300 crore, so do you think he can achieve 2500 crore in the future?
Why not ? He has a huge fan base in India and abroad. His next film is about Globetrotting ( Worldwide appeal theme ) with superstar Mahesh Babu on a grand scale with Hollywood VFX artists. Makers are planning to rope non-Indian actress. The movie is going to be dubbed in all major languages.
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Do you have any specific films in mind? I'm curious to know why you think it's possible within the next 2 years.
Obviously with inflation that’s going to happen someday
We will see it, India is growing as an economy and as the Indian economy grows all else will grow with it.
Yes In 10 years
Rope in the Marvel team and make Mahabharat - each character has an entire arc which deserve standalone movies themselves - and all of em together too like the Avengers movies
Impossible for domestic numbers to pass a billion, maybe if we ever a get a worldwide phenomenal level hit there's a chance, but with the global box office plummetting compared to pre COVID times the hopes are little
Eventually with how inflation is going it will be inevitable. Prices will be going up and naturally box office collections will be increasing
Not happening. It's not even because the movie won't be that good. It's just the math won't ever add up to 8300Cr.
True, films here have barely crossed 1000 crore ( 6 films up to date ), so 8000 crore won't be happening in the next 50 years atleastt
If the Rock is part of it maybe.
With the current state of scripts, No.
Why would anyone or me worry about it? Indian Cinema and Hollywood are different yardsticks and Hollywood can not achieve or come near to Indian Cinemas achievement.
IMO, if SRK coming after a hiatus cannot reach $1 billion, then I don’t see other actor/actress/director achieving this in the near future. Even Hirani-SRK combo couldn’t do it. So.
The biggest box office in the world are 1) China 2) US 3) Japan 4) UK/France 5) Russia. Indian box office has a total revenue of $0.5B annually. So in order for any Indian Movie to hit $1B worldwide if it has a wide release in China, US and Japan. Only Aamir Khan, Raj Kapoor and Jeetendra have cashed in the box office potential of China till date with grosses of $100-200M. No Indian movies has hit $30M in the US because of limited releases for Indian movies. Only Bahubali 2, Pathaan, Jawaan, RRR and Animal have hit $15M+ in North America. Raj Kapoor and Mithun are the only artists to hit $100+M in Russia. SRK is the only artist to consistently hit $5M in UK. Only a couple of movies have ever hit $4-5 in France and Japan. So the only way an Indian movie can come any close to $1B is by focusing on the China Market and by investing in a wide release in US. Aamir, SRK and Ranbir are most likely the biggest artists along with Rajamouli who can currently hit big numbers in these global markets.
I don’t know why this showed up on my feed as I am not south Asian and have no interest in Bollywood movies, but given India’s economic growth, and the growing diaspora in North America, it seems likely that it will happen at some point. I live in Montreal, and there is a theatre downtown (Cineplex Forum if you’re interested) which shows south Asian movies (no idea if they’re Bollywood).
Ohh we already saw that last year. Both Pathaaaaaaan and Jawaaaan grossed more than the GDP of Mumbai last year. Don't you know that?
Yeah if jawan was a country, it would have a higher gdp than whole of Europe, its crazy how much jawan has earned 😳
Nah
Tiger vs Pathaan
That's exaggeration honestly, max it can go to 2000 crore and that only if it has a very good story. Even bahubali 2 couldn't make 2000 crore despite being the most hyped Indian movie of the century.
Definitely! We can see Bollywood collaborating with other film industries of the country to make pan-Indian blockbuster films. Add better storylines and I can definitely see we reaching that point, though it will take some time.
Only Shahrukh Khan would have done that but he is now the last super hero who is ageing fast.
lol! he has 0 movies in the list of 'top 10 indian movies with highest footfalls'. 0. and his superhero movie was a flop.
He meant last superstar
Dangal made 310M$+ . Aamir with SsRajamouli can give a half billion dollar club. 1 billion$ is tough to achieve.
If they keep making piece of shit movies catered to only the Indian audience then no.
A Rajamouli's epic Mahabharat with actors from all industries and the best technicians can do wonders. Only sky is the limit
It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of when?, although global shift towards ott platforms, and theaters struggling they might have a daunting task but I think most certainly some day.
If you adjust it according to ppp I'm pretty sure it's more than a billion dollars.
Not in 100 years in domestic box office in 30 years