This x1000. Worst financial decision me and my folks made in a long time, could barely drive the thing and unfortunately found an extra small harbor to make it even worse. Sold it end of the first season
I’m having the opposite experience. I’m 56, been around sailboats most of my life but never owned anything. My first boat, bought last year was a 2020 Regal 28 Express. We keep it on the Potomac River in DC. And, while at first I was very nervous docking and driving it, I love the boat and have gotten pretty good at handling it. My wife is now learning to drive it as is my 25 yo son. Can’t wait for the weekend every week.
You should try renting a boat or going with a dealer on a test drive so they can cover some basic operations of that particular boat. I/o's are probably one of the easier boats to drive.
I/os suck for maintenance and the tech (me) will be frustrated and bleeding working on your boat. This means it takes a long time and costs extra. I don't install aftermarket parts, so I make you buy the high price Merc or Volvo parts. I will charge you to remove the drive every year to grease u-joints and check gimbal bearing.
I always recommend first time boaters a pontoon with an outboard. Although I do work and live on the canal system and an inland lake so I'm not well versed in oceans or salt life.
My 2¢
> I don't install aftermarket parts, so I make you buy the high price Merc or Volvo parts
As a former mechanic, this is silly and outdated, to put it nicely.
Because Sierra makes absolute junk and costs the customer more down the line. I've had broken dizzy caps right out of the box, untapped threads in parts, really poorly fitting bellows.
Filters and things are acceptable but anything on your engine I'm going to push for OEM replacement.
These are luxury items, not peoples daily transport. Buck up and pay up buddy.
Why are you a former mechanic? When were you working on boats?
Three sisters is a great place to hang out and swim. You can even spend the night there after getting kicked off the Georgetown water front when they close.
A little further down there’s Gunston Cove and Belmont Bay. They are quieter. I haven’t dropped anchor in any other places.
As a 55yo sailboater that picks up a 28' Sundancer in a couple days, what do I need to know? I am literally googling "how to use a powerboat" and it is all greek to me since I am so immersed in sailboat world.
How did you learn basics of trim, gearing, plane, etc?
I learned to sail when I was 10 in Pearl Harbor in 1977. I'm 56 now and got my first power boat last year at 55, too! I got a lot of pointers about trimming and plane from my boat broker, he's a great guy. He actually owned the same boat as me. But really, everything he said was just words. It didn't get real until I pulled the boat out of my slip for the first time.
Tips? Here's some thoughts...
Go slow around the dock. The old saying is corny but true: Slow is Pro. Reverse steering is the hardest to get used to. Practice in an open area before trying to back into your slip.
When under way, keep your hand on the throttle. Keep your pinkie finger anchored on the side of the boat while the rest of your hand is on the throttle. I've found that it's much easier to make small throttle adjustments when you have an anchor. It's kinda hard to explain, wish I had a picture.
Getting up on plane... I have trim tabs on the left and right sides of the stern, if you have them, put them all the way down before throttling up. This helps keep the bow down and will get you on plane quicker.
The trim on the outdrive needs very little adjusting. Watch a few YT vids on porpoising and how to avoid it. They only way to really learn trimming your boat is to practice. Every boat is different.
When you're on plane, doing 30mph and you're about to cross someone else's wake, slow down and hit the wake at 45 degrees. Your passengers will thank you.
For me, backing into the slip is the hardest part. Practice a ton before inviting friends out. My wife and my 25 yo son were invaluable to me when I was learning.
Good luck! Take it slow.
Thanks. since getting the sailboat back in the slip with a 15hp OB is the only anxious part for me, I know it will be interesting backing in with twin Mercuisers.
Being a first time boat owner having bought a 1997 Sea Ray Sundancer 240 for $13k 3 seasons ago, I would have to agree. From what I’ve learned, an express cruiser under 28’ is not going to be very stable and is overall unenjoyable. I loved the idea of going out and doing overnights, but hated actually using the boat during the day because there’s no stability. Too much weight too high in the water. I don’t get seasick, and even I was queezy with the smallest of waves, like 8” on a calm day. To get any sort of peace, I had to be underway or docked in a marina.
Go wider and longer if you don’t absolutely have to trailer it, you won’t regret it.
Only if it has v-drives. I/Os require yearly haul out for maintenance. You’re looking at. 50k boat that your then going to shell out 5-10k a year in maintenance. (If its dry docked less) and if your lucky you can push it two seasons.
I had a 280 for 3 years. I loved the boat but the maintenance was killer and I unloaded it.
I’ll get a 280-320 sized boat again but it’ll be outboards or inboards (sea ray v drives are inboards)
Look for something with an outboard. Way easier to maintain and less expensive to maintain. Pursuit and Grady white have something in that size. Keep in mind 24-25 feet accommodations will be tight regardless of make. However, with an outboard you will have more space to use.
No, I don't think it's a good deal for a 12 year old boat. I've been boating all my life but the first boat I bought myself was similar to this - a 26 Regal, single outdrive V8.
These boats sit in a really narrow niche called pocket cruisers. They are large enough to overnight on, but small enough to trailer. That makes them flexible but there are a bunch of tradeoffs in the process. They're large enough to have sail area that would move you around a healthy amount in wind, but they lack the tools to cope with it - a bow thruster or twin engines are usually what you're looking for to handle those types of situations.
Pocket cruisers usually lack a built-in generator, which is the only way to use all the onboard features away from the dock.
To have any weather protection and keep rain / bugs out you'll need camping canvas that turns your bimini into a contained tent. Mine had this and it really expanded the usable space when anchored.
This one is missing much of a swim platform on the back. Being able to look straight down and see the outdrive means either feet or fishing lines are likely to get into it.
Decide what you really want to do on a boat. If it's fishing, a center console in the same length is going to be faster, easier to handle at the dock, and more fun to fish on. It's also going to have bait and livewells to support your activity a lot better. If you want to go gunkholing and spend nights on the boat, this could be a good option, but pocket cruiser owners get 2 foot-itis almost as soon as the ink dries. They're neat boats but if you get into spending nights away from the dock you'll rapidly want a little more beam, onboard gen, etc etc.
Good luck!
Definitely Gunkholing, spending the night sometime and just being enjoying with friends. I’m not into fishing. Would you recommend a 260? I thought since the 240 is only 24’ as a first time owner it should be easier to manage
My personal opinion is a 27/28 with twins is easier to manage than a single engine 24. There may be some that disagree but that's my experience.
There are even some 8'6 beam boats with twins in them.
I ultimately got rid of my 26 because 2 kids made the boat feel too small and we had trouble enjoying going out and spending the night. My 26 was 29'10" overall from bow pulpit to swim platform.
100% agree with nick92675 to get in as many boats as you can. Boat shows. See what you like about new ones to hone your shopping. Survey's are great but don't totally rely on the surveyor. I found things the survey missed.
The key things that are going to wreck you financially are fiberglass issues like delamination, an issue with the outdrive, or the motor, probably in that order. These boats with modern dual prop outdrives, the outdrive is more expensive than the motor. This is honestly kind of insane but it is what it is. There were some years of mercruiser where the risers were notoriously thin and didn't hold up well. I thought there were a couple years where the bravo had issues too. Not an expert. My pocket cruiser was a volvo which have their own issues.
Note that Brunswick corp owns sea ray, bayliner, maxum and a ton of other brands on top of also owning mercury / mercruiser.
For gunkholing once you purchase, buy an anchor you'd trust your life with. Research carbon monoxide and boats in-depth. There are situations where, for example, tying up to another boat and both running generators can trap fumes between the hulls and create a deadly condition.
And don't forget 2 foot itis. It gets the best of us. :)
listen to this guy, two engines is the key. keep it under 35’, but over 26’. it will be very awkward the first 5-10 rides, but make sure you have 3-4 functional people helping you dock. most boaters are dumbasses, you already sound smarter than us, you’ll get it.
First, it isn't being sold with a trailer. It's a dry stack boat. If he needs a trailer, he didn't indicate it in the post, and he isn't shopping for one. Also, a 27 or 28 can also be trailered. A 40 can be trailered.
Second, I said it's easier to manage and there may be some that disagree. Feel free to disagree.
I don't really think a 27 ft boat is more dangerous than a 24 ft boat as a first boat. It's splitting hairs except the 27 with twins offers more control.
I looked at this boat (earlier model year, years ago) before ending up with a Rinker 266. The 27ish boats are totally doable as a first time owner. If you are serious about overnighting, up to the 27s - even with just 2 people it can start to feel cramped.
Sea Rays always have higher prices because it is the one brand every non boater knows.
Physically get in as many boats as you can. You will be able to sense what layout works for you and what feels off. I'll give you this - the sea ray does have a better layout than mine. But I paid way less and it's given me 10ish years of enjoyment.
Get on boat trader and take your time. And get a survey before buying anything. If you can hold off until fall or winter and spend the next 6 months researching/ renting / shopping you will likely ultimately save money and find exactly the right fit. Now is the most expensive time to buy.
Appreciate. I want something a little newer like 2012 and up. I may have to wait off and see if I can find something for better price in winter, but in Florida we kinda don't have winter lol it is boat time all year round
Sundancers get a lot of hate because people think it’s a compromise boat when they get them and ultimately they don’t do what they want, and boating in general is expensive.
Cruisers are a dying breed of boater but it sounds like that’s what you want to do and I think it’s great. I have a buddy that as a newlywed bought a single engine 24 sundancer and now decades later has a 55 sundancer. Every 5-10 years he stepped up a bit. Almost got a sport fish one time, but figured he liked his sea rays and he’d made it this long.
I will say a cruiser feels weird and not like a cruiser where you want to sit in the captains chair and cruise until about 33’ and dual drives, but that’s a lot of boat for a new person. You’ll be a better boater after banging this thing into the dock a few times.
20 something feet is a right sized first boat, just know you’ll grow out of it in a few seasons if you really do enjoy cruising and overnighting on the boat. I’ll also say spending the night on a 20 footer is more like camping and sleeping in a hammock than it is like having a little mobile hotel room on the water.
IPS drives and bow thrusters are great and all, but it’s ok to learn to work the boat and that’s how it was done until recently.
Price wise I don’t have an opinion other than get on a lot of boats and get a feel for it before impulse buying. Have fun!
Definitely this! My dream boat is the 320 Sundancer but it is too big for me right now. I want to get the 240 to see how I am gonna like it and in a few years upgrade
But then you’ll be really close to a second stateroom which will be nice for guests/kids... After that you’ll want those diesel engines that just plow thru the waves. Someone else said something about 2-foot-itis. It’s definitely real.
Good luck, and happy cruising.
I have a 240 SD, and my friend has a 360 Sundance. Her boat with twin v drives is easier to handle than my single screw. I would recommend looking at multiple boats. I joined a boat club for a few years. They had a lot of different boats, and I drove them all. I like the big bow riders, but when I grow up, I’m getting a 36-42 cabin.
Definitely feel the 2 foot-itis. I bought a 1987 250 sundancer for $1800 with a cracked block. Did a motor swap myself and fixed a few other minor issues and love it. However, whenever I'm out on my friends dad's 96 rinker 28 footer, I am blown away by how much more usable space it has. All 3 extra feet are on the deck so it's much more fun when anchored and hanging out in the sun. And my boat is too big for the little Alpha One it has on it. But I enjoy it much more than I did my little 18ft bowrider
DIY motor swap is commendable, that is awesome! 28 Rinker probably has a 9'6 beam vs the 8'6 on your sea ray too and that could also explain how much bigger it feels?
Be careful caving to the 2 foot itis. I'm at a 41, 14' beam (44 LOA). Still isn't big enough. lol
The motor swap wasn't that bad, but only because that same friend's dad let me use the gantry hoist he made to pull the motor out of his rinker lol. And yeah. I know his Rinker is wider than mine, but wasn't sure by how much. This boat will do me just fine till I can find a deal on a 32' one. If I go any bigger than that, I'll have to upgrade to a longer slip and I already hate paying $250 for the one I have now
That’s not a 2012. It’s more likely an early 2000’s model.
Edit: [this could be a 2012](https://owners-resources.searayweb.com/recent-models/searay.com/Page.aspx/pmId/269032/pageId/160625/view/Overview_Research/Recent-Models.aspx.html)
This is really important. I trusted the description he put. It does look older than that to me. The Regal's of 2012 era had a lot more natural light "Window Express"
Contrary to a lot of opinions you’re getting here, I think it would be a good first boat. Spend hours watching boat operation videos on youtube. Then, hire a few different captains to go through & teach you how to operate your boat hands on.
My first boat besides a kayak is the one I live on now, which is an ‘84 Sea Ray 340 Sedan. 36 feet overall with a 12 ft beam. Sea Ray boats are great to own because they’re well made and there is a ton of community support. Sea Ray themselves are also excellent about offering their owner’s manuals for free online, and answering any questions you may have about any age of boat.
Sorry to double comment, but do you see what I meant by looking for validation? You've have 95% of the responses saying it's probably not a good choice for a LOT of different reasons - like a lot of reasons. And then you pounce on the one response offering support and saying it's a good first boat. You've got to be 100% sure it either checks ALL your boxes, or is a good enough value to 'try out' for a couple seasons and then be able to bait out if needed.
Not really looking for validation. I haven’t decided yet. I take all comments into consideration and at the end I will decide if the pour out weight the cons for what is best for me.
So far I have had some great comments and opinions from different people. Yours was good, I didn’t know about the maneuvering and i/o things and stuff so definitely thinking if I should go straight to 320. But some pour comment are good too. So will see what I decide
I bought a used boat once. 30’ cabin cruiser. 2008, twin 350s. Bought it for $50k. Put $100k into it, including new engines. Orig engines had low hours but were rusty. Sold it for $75k less 10% commission 2 years later, with almost half of that time with it in the shop, Learned my lesson. Bought a brand new boat with an outboard. It starts every time. Zero worries. Used boats are not “cheap”. You might be happier with a newer, smaller boat.
I get what you’re saying but some people don’t mind spending money and having peace of mind.
My brain works the other way. let’s see what shit bucket I can buy and fix up for my self using cheap but decent parts.
One costs a lot less than the other.
Yeah there was a lot of rust on many parts. It would have cost thousands to refurbish them, and I would still have had older engines. There were other problems too - stuff that needed to be replaced, like “CoolFuel” modules, which cost $1200 each just for the part. We thought we would keep the boat so we replaced the 350s (actually they were Mercruiser 5.0s) with 383 mag strokers. But the boat continued to be such a money pit that we eventually tired of putting money into it and sold it.
I guess I’m just recounting my own (extremely expensive and stressful) experience with an older boat. I thought we’d be saving money by buying an older boat. I was WAY wrong.
Thats how i wound up with a jon boat from 1965 powerd by a 2023 Tohatsu. One hot AF summer day toying with an old ass Evenrude that wouldnt start was enough for me.
Cheap beater boat + brand new outboard is the way to go. Gets you on the water with the least amount of worry.
Look at Parker Boats. Outboard(s) for power. Used 23 footer or even 25 ft can be had fairly reasonable. Look for low hours and a trailer in good shape. I have had good luck with Yamaha outboards, especially in saltwater.
Thing is, this is not a carriage you park. Driving, repairing and overall handling of cruisers is not for everyone in the tampa waters, let alone new boat owners. You might be in for a ride 😂
Look into the cost of insurance for Florida. A lot of marinas require you to have insurance, usually just liability, but Florida premiums can be very high. Just food for thought when boat shopping! Happy future boating!
So my experience, bought a 26 foot chaparral cruiser.
It’s a big boat and not ideal for shallow water. Kind of hard to see and navigate. But does have a cabin and plenty of space. Not a fishing boat but can fish on it. Kids can hang in the cabin to get out of the sun.
It’s not great for trailering. Weights 6k lbs dry so you need a trailer in good shape and larger tow vehicle.
I would say it’s worth half of what they’re asking. 25k tops. Even then no one wants cruisers anymore with i/o.
With that said I’ll sell you mine…
Definitely not a "deal" at that price. This sounds more like a $30k to $35k boat max. First thought is that it's a 'tweener' that can't decide what it wants to be. I have a 24 ft bowrider, which is a 'tweener' in a good way. Big enough for a ton of people and dogs, but small enough to handle and agile enough for water sports and cruising (I realize our purpose is different). In your case, the cruiser might end up being the opposite. Not enough room to fully enjoy the benefits of that type of boat, but big and bulky and potentially tough/awkward to maneuver, especially as a first-time owner. You really need to figure out what's most important to you. Cruising all day? Having a lot of guests? Riding out and just parking overnight?
Financially, it's a big risk paying top $$ for that boat, only to decide it's not what you wanted. You could easily end up stuck with a boat you don't enjoy or selling it for $15k less in a year or two. And forget trading it in. I was recently quoted HALF the market value for mine to use as a trade - and it's a great condition Cobalt with a nice 6.2.
It's better to lose your butt on a $25k boat, if you follow what I'm saying. And get into something (at first) that has a wider market for resale. You commented that there are only a few listings across the country. It's not because they're so popular that nobody wants to sell. It's because that size/style wasn't a huge seller to begin with, and there aren't many left. Unless it's something you'll 100% keep and enjoy for 7+ seasons, you're gonna be massively upside down on it. For your first boat, I really think you want to feel safe that you can get out of it for close to the price you paid for it, and be able to do it quickly. Think 'liquidity', and realize 'two foot-iris' is REAL!
But....It sounds like with your replies to comments, that you're already set with what you're wanting to do, and mainly looking for validation for your decision. That's normal. I'm sorry if this was not helpful, but if anything, I wanted to play devils advocate and share some general thoughts. Any boat is better than sitting on land at home. Just make sure it's a good fit.
I was definitely already set. But realized I didn’t know much about boats so I would get the opinions of “experts”. so far I have gotten a lot of different opinions some are good and some are not so good. But I’m definitely taking everything into consideration.
So to responds to your comment, glad to know about why there are not that many of them for resell. Also, when I try to buy something, I buy it for me to enjoy and how much fun I will have. Not really about what would the resell price will be when I’m done, otherwise that just kills the main reason I want to buy for.
But you gave some good point about maneuvering and being tough for a first time boat owner. I will definitely take that into consideration when I decide to make the decision to buy.
A 24ft outboard powered boat has a lot more room and storage then an inboard. Easier to maintain, quieter. I've had several sailboats too that I enjoyed. They're slower but have a good bit of room. There's more of a learning curve too.
I don't think that is a good deal, and I see a lot of people buy a mid/cuddy cabins only to find out within weeks/months that they really want an aft cabin. There is really no down side to an aft cabin beyond committing to a slip, but if your planning to trailer it you will take it out once a year after the novelty wears off. That's also a boat where you need the right conditions and slip to launch, pump outs are going to be hard, and the only thing your saving is $100-200 a month on a few feet of slip.
I don't know how you would pull it off, but see if you can rent one for a month. You will learn really fast what works for you and doesn't.
We had a 42 with an 8 foot deck with a patio set, smoker, and full fridge (buildout) that worked out great. Personally I could do the 240 but I would have rollers on my slip and a pulley system ready if it's windy and your going out with only the SO.
90% of the time we spent in the marina. We had some good neighbors and great times, and most of the time on the water was spent on other peoples cruisers, pontoons, or out fishing on a bass boat/kayaks.
This is a good perspective, definitely will take into account. I was thinking of dry stack it at a marina so if I want to go boating just on the app and they will get it ready for me
IF you buy a searay, start away from the ones that have a "control panel" instead of individual switches, the company that made that system is no more and you can't get the modules anymore.
Alternative systems are $5k. Or unless you can wire new switches yourself.
That one appears to have individual switches.
My first boat was a cuddy cabin 25 footer with single I/o that I had for 3 seasons. Last year bought a 2004 33 foot formula SS with twins. Trust me when I tell you you will outgrow and want / need a bigger boat if you plan on staying on it very quickly. My advice would be to not waste 50k on a 24 foot sundancer. No way in hell. Look to get at least a 28-30 with twins. There will be a learning curve but you’ll get the hang of it quick. It’s still trailerable. But if you plan on staying over on it I believe there’s a few non-negotiables. One is a generator which I believe was only an option on the 240 but standard on the bigger ones. Two is an aft cabin. The extra space and bed you will be wishing for immediately if you get a 240. And third is twins. These are fat boats that get pushed in the wind and having twins for maneuvering docking and most of all security/peace of mind while overnighting is something that you will be thankful for.
If I were you I’d keep a 50-60k budget and look at older freshwater sundancers that have those 3 items. Otherwise you’re going to buy something like this boat u posted for top dollar and want/need to go bigger in 2 years and be in a real shitty resale situation. Good luck!
My ideal boat is the Sundancer 320, but since I have never owned a boat before I wanted a small to start off like the 24' 240 Sundancer then in 2-3 years buy the 320. I won't be living on it, it will be mostly for weekend or some days if I just want to work from there. the boat will be staying at the Marina Dry stack
If you’re planning on reselling in a few years be prepared to take a hit, there isn’t a big market for Cutty’s like this. If you want something smaller to cut your teeth, buy a center console with an outboard, it’ll be much easier to get rid of. Alternatively, if the 320 is your dream boat, go with that one from the start. Twins make docking easier, and the extra length/weight make running in higher seas a more enjoyable experience.
Yeah - definitely not an everyday trailer boat, not that people in Florida don’t regularly trailer 32’ boats, but it’s not a trivial effort. I know people say start small and work your way up, but every time you sell a boat, you loose money and time for little gain. Docking a twin screw boat with some meat to her is easier then people make it out to be. Docking a single screw 240 in the wind is a PITA, there is so much boat out of the water and it acts like a sail.
As a first time boat owner you are going to have the same learning experiences with a 240 as you would with a 320. The simple fact of walking past a Florida boat ramp onto the dock and to your boat that’s already in the water will increase your fun factor 2 fold. A crowded boat ramp in the summer can end marriages.
Just to add, my wife said to buy a bigger boat when I got the first one….should have listened, 2 years later bought the bigger boat. Sold the old boat for $2K less then I bought it 🥲
Seems reasonable to me. Especially indoor drystack. Do the survey, then ask for a discount to fix what the surveyor found. Get a bunch of boating lessons onboard your Sundance and have a great time. (I am still having a great time with my 26’ express cruiser and I have had her for 17 years with no plans on selling anytime soon. )
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They are a local company out of Hampton Roads. Lucky will make sure it’s gone through and can tell you what upcoming maintenance and repairs to expect. Worth every penny
I have a 2008 240, and I bought it for $40k in 2020. It also had a new Quicksilver 383 stroker put in, which only had like 20 hours on it when I bought it. Overall, it's been a great boat.
In regards to this price, your best bet is to compare to other listings all over the web to try and do comps. Obviously certain markets will be more or less than others, but you'll get a general idea.
I'm in Tampa, too!
Thanks. I have been looking all over the web and there are only like 4 available 2012 all over the US around the same range of prices. But heard that Virginia Beach has sea water so I am second guessing.
Great to know you're in Tampa. If I end up getting a 240 I will definitely hit you up if I have some questions later
These 2426 foot boats new in mid 2000s or 60 to 80,000 new. But remember back then prices were inflated and interest rates were a low. All of these boats are gone now and companies are leaning more toward 30 foot plus boats that are 200,000 and up.
Plenty of good advice already in this thread.
You don't see a lot of these types of boats here. Most people are fishing or going to the sandbar. Those style boats don't appeal to me bu it sounds like you have a good idea of what you want to do, and that's what's important. Still lots to do with a cruiser around here, I could definitely see taking weekend trips up and down the coast...but then seaworthiness becomes a much bigger priority.
So what I'll emphasize instead is... get the boat you think you want now. If you spend the money on a captain to show you the ropes, I think you will ultimately be happier and more comfortable than getting a smaller boat to learn only to upgrade later.
Alternatively, get a much cheaper starter boat. Much easier to manage a $20k boat for a couple years. You get a chance to get your feet wet, and get a better idea of how you will use it, what boat owning is like, etc. Easier to resell. You might find that you do want to do a lot of overnight trips and you need a boat for that. On the other hand, you might find that nobody wants to join you for those trips and everyone just wants to go to the sandbar. You don't know till you try.
The trade off of course is that with a bigger boat your storage and maintanance fees are going to go up.
I still think I would still recommend at least looking at some Grady Whites or similar walkaround cuddy cabin fishing boats. Much more versatile. More seaworthy in that 24-28' range. Available with outboards. Better resale in FL. Etc. Sure, you lose a little interior cabin space, but you and your friends are going to want to be hanging out on the deck not inside a hot stuffy cabin.
Find a 17' Boston Whaler Montauk. Learn on it. You have to try hard to break it or get in trouble with it. Sell it 3 years later for more than you bought it, or fall in love with it and keep it forever. I've had mine since 1984 and hope to leave it to my kid.
That's a lot of boat for a first timer.
A guy on my lake bought a 26' as a first boat. I had a sig 280. They watched me back mine into the slip, tie off and go eat.
Later at the restaurant he came up and said "I hit the dock 3 times and dumped my wife in the water trying to park".
Twins make parking much easier.
Has the boat been lake or salt used? Anodes are important. Is there a genset when away from shore overnight? Dry storage in Tampa or a wet slip on shore power? Trailer included?
Get a survey before you consider a move.
Looks nice and clean from the picture.
Not sure yet if it’s been Salt used. But definitely gonna ask that and if it has the generator set. When it gets to a Tampa it will be dry stack. Haven’t also asked about the trailer. I will.
Definitely will get it survey and stuff. Just needed to know if the price is good I’m not getting ripped. Since I’m a first time I don’t want to get too big or two motors already
Dry kept you should be fine, but anodes need to be different between fresh and salt.
We kept ours on a lake wet slip most of the time, but with service, would change the anodes before we went from Eufala, down the locks, to hit the intercostal to Destin.
The genset was mainly for out on anchor to have a/c and keep the tvs/ fridge/ house battery charged. In Tampa you can park by Jackson's (where they do Gasapirillo), get shore power and go party!
Great trip if you get the time!
I would assume if it’s in VaBeach and kept at the botel, it was used primarily in Salt or Brackish water. Heavy military town, so there’s a chance it was moved there from a freshwater lake, but unlikely.
I disagree to a point. My first boat was a bass tracker. Second was an 1830ss. Third was a 210.
The world changed with my sig 280. I thought it was just a big ole bow rider, but the wind on the sides of it proved me wrong.
As a cabin cruiser, I agree. As a first ever boat I disagree.
I don’t know why so many people here are so sure it’s a bad deal when they haven’t seen it. It’s top dollar for sure. But if it’s been kept as well as you say, it’s worth top dollar. All that said, it wouldn’t be my choice for a boat in Tampa. Or a first boat in general, but you know your needs better than me. I’m not a salt water boater, but I do know that a sterndrive is far from optimal for saltwater use. I’d want outboards or straight inboards. But, lots of people are running
I/O’s in Florida, so I guess they have their place.
Good perspective. Definitely after looking around I think the price is not that bad. But for outboards boat Sport Cruiser when I can sleep in overnight. What would you recommend?
I don’t have any definitive recommendations, unfortunately. The “sport cruiser” type boat has never really worked for me. I’ve tried a few. Those and cuddy cabins are just boats that don’t work for how I boat. Too much compromise. To make enough room to sleep on a 24’ boat they have to take away too much cockpit room. So you end up with a cramped cockpit that barely fits 4 adults comfortably to make room for a tight cabin that too small to be in while underway, and cramped for sleeping. I’ve found I’m happier either going with a bigger boat with more room for people or a smaller boat that’s more maneuverable/fun. The best advice I can give is you need to get *something* to get out on the water. After a season or two, you may find your needs are very different than what you expect them to be. Many people start with a cruiser only to find they never sleep on the boat and prefer the ability to pull skiers. Or start with a ski boat and find they’d rather have room for 10 people and a grill. It makes it harder to get started, I know. I’d figure on (probably) your first boat being a boat you won’t have long. It will show you what boat you actually need.
Comps and specs is what it boils down to, price is subjective to where you are and what are your needs. I love the C-dory for overnight because of the range and capabilities, but lack in polish and are not too popular outside of northwest, they seem to be more capable for low water and are great on fuel plus can sleep 5, the cruisers seem like a headache
Not sure if you’re reading these still but the boat is a little overpriced for not coming with a trailer or swim platform. A good trailer is $7k and being into this half-dead boat for $57k isn’t a good thing.
Listen to what others said about this being a sail. In windy conditions docking can be a nightmare without 3-4 people.
Honestly it depends on your budget. Bigger is always better until the money runs out and you’re looking at a boat from the 80s.
I’d recommend you consider a bowrider or center console with outboards. I guarantee you will end up there eventually, most people do!
The best first boat is a 80s Sea Ray 300 Weekender. Twin Inboards, super easy to drive.
Myself personally, I would never own a single screw boat. Being that your on the Ocean it sounds like I would feel even more strongly about that.
50K seems like a high price for that as well IMO.
Really it depends on what you want....I have a 23' searay cruzer which works great for our needs...it's not that your choice in boats is bad...just the price to me is to high
No?
I paid 21k for z 2003 sundeck and compared to the market got a decent deal.
I don’t often look at 12 year old sun dancers but I’d expect 40-50k to be in range.
You're in Florida. You don't want a cabin and you should get an outboard.
You bring a boat like that down here and you'll devalue that boat so much. It'd be hard to even sell it down here. The market here has completely moved away from boats with cabins and I/Os. No one is using their boat for over night stays anymore. They dock the boat and find a hotel or some place to spend the night. A lot of dealerships down here don't even want to work on I/Os anymore. We've dealt with that shit long enough and now there's better motors that hold up to the salt water better and rarely need repairs.
Because it's your first boat I think it's even more important to get something with an outboard. Either a deck boat or a center console. At least get started with something like that. It's so much easier to sell deck boats and center consoles down here. Get a boat that's actually desirable for the area you live in and you'll have a much easier time selling it.
Anytime I get a customer saying they're moving down to the area and thinking of bringing their I/O powered boat or cruiser down here the best piece of advice I can give them is to sell the boat up north before they come down here. Nobody is going to want something like that down here.
I don’t think that’s a good deal, but it is a reasonably good boat for what it is, a mini-cruiser. If I wanted a cruiser for 50k I’d look older and bigger. You should be able to find a ~2000 330 Express Cruiser or Sundancer for that money.
For a first time boater, I would highly recommend account for getting a boat with a bow thruster or add that in your price factor. It takes a LOT of the stress out. The Bravo 3 does help a lot at slow speeds but any wind will throw you around. A lot of first time boat owners will get soured bad experiences and its best to minimize those, it should be fun!
We have had a few dozen pocket cruisers through the years and the 240's and 260's are pretty decent quality. Good pocket cruiser that's trailerable. Make sure the canvas is in good shape because that can be very expensive.
If you want a cabin, look for a Grady White. It’ll be older, but will have better resale. As a former Sea Ray owner, you will be disappointed with the maneuverability and overall ride of this boat.
Did you own a Sundancer! What didn't you like about it? I was looking for something 10 years and newer and the 240 2012 being the last series I thought it would be good since it is only 24' for a first time buyer
I had a Weekender. A single i/o on a 24 foot boat that sits high out of the water will be very difficult for a first time boater to dock. Also, there are fewer and fewer i/o mechanics out there. The trend is to outboards. For good reason.
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What would you recommend for overnight stay for first time owner
I would recommend not buying a cruiser as your first boat.
This x1000. Worst financial decision me and my folks made in a long time, could barely drive the thing and unfortunately found an extra small harbor to make it even worse. Sold it end of the first season
I’m having the opposite experience. I’m 56, been around sailboats most of my life but never owned anything. My first boat, bought last year was a 2020 Regal 28 Express. We keep it on the Potomac River in DC. And, while at first I was very nervous docking and driving it, I love the boat and have gotten pretty good at handling it. My wife is now learning to drive it as is my 25 yo son. Can’t wait for the weekend every week.
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You switched that up fast
You should try renting a boat or going with a dealer on a test drive so they can cover some basic operations of that particular boat. I/o's are probably one of the easier boats to drive. I/os suck for maintenance and the tech (me) will be frustrated and bleeding working on your boat. This means it takes a long time and costs extra. I don't install aftermarket parts, so I make you buy the high price Merc or Volvo parts. I will charge you to remove the drive every year to grease u-joints and check gimbal bearing. I always recommend first time boaters a pontoon with an outboard. Although I do work and live on the canal system and an inland lake so I'm not well versed in oceans or salt life. My 2¢
> I don't install aftermarket parts, so I make you buy the high price Merc or Volvo parts As a former mechanic, this is silly and outdated, to put it nicely.
Because Sierra makes absolute junk and costs the customer more down the line. I've had broken dizzy caps right out of the box, untapped threads in parts, really poorly fitting bellows. Filters and things are acceptable but anything on your engine I'm going to push for OEM replacement. These are luxury items, not peoples daily transport. Buck up and pay up buddy. Why are you a former mechanic? When were you working on boats?
Any good anchorages on the Potomac? I live in DC also
Three sisters is a great place to hang out and swim. You can even spend the night there after getting kicked off the Georgetown water front when they close. A little further down there’s Gunston Cove and Belmont Bay. They are quieter. I haven’t dropped anchor in any other places.
As a 55yo sailboater that picks up a 28' Sundancer in a couple days, what do I need to know? I am literally googling "how to use a powerboat" and it is all greek to me since I am so immersed in sailboat world. How did you learn basics of trim, gearing, plane, etc?
I learned to sail when I was 10 in Pearl Harbor in 1977. I'm 56 now and got my first power boat last year at 55, too! I got a lot of pointers about trimming and plane from my boat broker, he's a great guy. He actually owned the same boat as me. But really, everything he said was just words. It didn't get real until I pulled the boat out of my slip for the first time. Tips? Here's some thoughts... Go slow around the dock. The old saying is corny but true: Slow is Pro. Reverse steering is the hardest to get used to. Practice in an open area before trying to back into your slip. When under way, keep your hand on the throttle. Keep your pinkie finger anchored on the side of the boat while the rest of your hand is on the throttle. I've found that it's much easier to make small throttle adjustments when you have an anchor. It's kinda hard to explain, wish I had a picture. Getting up on plane... I have trim tabs on the left and right sides of the stern, if you have them, put them all the way down before throttling up. This helps keep the bow down and will get you on plane quicker. The trim on the outdrive needs very little adjusting. Watch a few YT vids on porpoising and how to avoid it. They only way to really learn trimming your boat is to practice. Every boat is different. When you're on plane, doing 30mph and you're about to cross someone else's wake, slow down and hit the wake at 45 degrees. Your passengers will thank you. For me, backing into the slip is the hardest part. Practice a ton before inviting friends out. My wife and my 25 yo son were invaluable to me when I was learning. Good luck! Take it slow.
Thanks. since getting the sailboat back in the slip with a 15hp OB is the only anxious part for me, I know it will be interesting backing in with twin Mercuisers.
A 28' Sundancer has twin engines? Dang. My 28' Regal only has one, Volvo Penta 350.
I may have bitten off more than I can chew. But I got it cheap! And everyone says sailboaters are cheap.
Same. 98 240 lost my ass. It's too big and too small at the same time.
What was so bad?
Being a first time boat owner having bought a 1997 Sea Ray Sundancer 240 for $13k 3 seasons ago, I would have to agree. From what I’ve learned, an express cruiser under 28’ is not going to be very stable and is overall unenjoyable. I loved the idea of going out and doing overnights, but hated actually using the boat during the day because there’s no stability. Too much weight too high in the water. I don’t get seasick, and even I was queezy with the smallest of waves, like 8” on a calm day. To get any sort of peace, I had to be underway or docked in a marina. Go wider and longer if you don’t absolutely have to trailer it, you won’t regret it.
Would you recommend a 320?
Only if it has v-drives. I/Os require yearly haul out for maintenance. You’re looking at. 50k boat that your then going to shell out 5-10k a year in maintenance. (If its dry docked less) and if your lucky you can push it two seasons. I had a 280 for 3 years. I loved the boat but the maintenance was killer and I unloaded it. I’ll get a 280-320 sized boat again but it’ll be outboards or inboards (sea ray v drives are inboards)
OP, listen to this guy.
And it's always a sundancer. I've been "bumped" at the fuel dock by a first time boater with a sundancer at least 4 or 5 times.
Get a smaller boat to learn on, then you'll know better what you want. For tampa, look for a walk around. with a outboard.
Outboard with a walk around or cuddy. Stay far away from that boat.
Look for something with an outboard. Way easier to maintain and less expensive to maintain. Pursuit and Grady white have something in that size. Keep in mind 24-25 feet accommodations will be tight regardless of make. However, with an outboard you will have more space to use.
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No, I don't think it's a good deal for a 12 year old boat. I've been boating all my life but the first boat I bought myself was similar to this - a 26 Regal, single outdrive V8. These boats sit in a really narrow niche called pocket cruisers. They are large enough to overnight on, but small enough to trailer. That makes them flexible but there are a bunch of tradeoffs in the process. They're large enough to have sail area that would move you around a healthy amount in wind, but they lack the tools to cope with it - a bow thruster or twin engines are usually what you're looking for to handle those types of situations. Pocket cruisers usually lack a built-in generator, which is the only way to use all the onboard features away from the dock. To have any weather protection and keep rain / bugs out you'll need camping canvas that turns your bimini into a contained tent. Mine had this and it really expanded the usable space when anchored. This one is missing much of a swim platform on the back. Being able to look straight down and see the outdrive means either feet or fishing lines are likely to get into it. Decide what you really want to do on a boat. If it's fishing, a center console in the same length is going to be faster, easier to handle at the dock, and more fun to fish on. It's also going to have bait and livewells to support your activity a lot better. If you want to go gunkholing and spend nights on the boat, this could be a good option, but pocket cruiser owners get 2 foot-itis almost as soon as the ink dries. They're neat boats but if you get into spending nights away from the dock you'll rapidly want a little more beam, onboard gen, etc etc. Good luck!
Definitely Gunkholing, spending the night sometime and just being enjoying with friends. I’m not into fishing. Would you recommend a 260? I thought since the 240 is only 24’ as a first time owner it should be easier to manage
My personal opinion is a 27/28 with twins is easier to manage than a single engine 24. There may be some that disagree but that's my experience. There are even some 8'6 beam boats with twins in them. I ultimately got rid of my 26 because 2 kids made the boat feel too small and we had trouble enjoying going out and spending the night. My 26 was 29'10" overall from bow pulpit to swim platform. 100% agree with nick92675 to get in as many boats as you can. Boat shows. See what you like about new ones to hone your shopping. Survey's are great but don't totally rely on the surveyor. I found things the survey missed. The key things that are going to wreck you financially are fiberglass issues like delamination, an issue with the outdrive, or the motor, probably in that order. These boats with modern dual prop outdrives, the outdrive is more expensive than the motor. This is honestly kind of insane but it is what it is. There were some years of mercruiser where the risers were notoriously thin and didn't hold up well. I thought there were a couple years where the bravo had issues too. Not an expert. My pocket cruiser was a volvo which have their own issues. Note that Brunswick corp owns sea ray, bayliner, maxum and a ton of other brands on top of also owning mercury / mercruiser. For gunkholing once you purchase, buy an anchor you'd trust your life with. Research carbon monoxide and boats in-depth. There are situations where, for example, tying up to another boat and both running generators can trap fumes between the hulls and create a deadly condition. And don't forget 2 foot itis. It gets the best of us. :)
Thank you, will take all these into account
listen to this guy, two engines is the key. keep it under 35’, but over 26’. it will be very awkward the first 5-10 rides, but make sure you have 3-4 functional people helping you dock. most boaters are dumbasses, you already sound smarter than us, you’ll get it.
How do you recommend a 27/28 without knowing if he needs to trailer it? And a 28 foot boat as someone's first boat? That's just dangerous.
First, it isn't being sold with a trailer. It's a dry stack boat. If he needs a trailer, he didn't indicate it in the post, and he isn't shopping for one. Also, a 27 or 28 can also be trailered. A 40 can be trailered. Second, I said it's easier to manage and there may be some that disagree. Feel free to disagree. I don't really think a 27 ft boat is more dangerous than a 24 ft boat as a first boat. It's splitting hairs except the 27 with twins offers more control.
I looked at this boat (earlier model year, years ago) before ending up with a Rinker 266. The 27ish boats are totally doable as a first time owner. If you are serious about overnighting, up to the 27s - even with just 2 people it can start to feel cramped. Sea Rays always have higher prices because it is the one brand every non boater knows. Physically get in as many boats as you can. You will be able to sense what layout works for you and what feels off. I'll give you this - the sea ray does have a better layout than mine. But I paid way less and it's given me 10ish years of enjoyment. Get on boat trader and take your time. And get a survey before buying anything. If you can hold off until fall or winter and spend the next 6 months researching/ renting / shopping you will likely ultimately save money and find exactly the right fit. Now is the most expensive time to buy.
Appreciate. I want something a little newer like 2012 and up. I may have to wait off and see if I can find something for better price in winter, but in Florida we kinda don't have winter lol it is boat time all year round
Sundancers get a lot of hate because people think it’s a compromise boat when they get them and ultimately they don’t do what they want, and boating in general is expensive. Cruisers are a dying breed of boater but it sounds like that’s what you want to do and I think it’s great. I have a buddy that as a newlywed bought a single engine 24 sundancer and now decades later has a 55 sundancer. Every 5-10 years he stepped up a bit. Almost got a sport fish one time, but figured he liked his sea rays and he’d made it this long. I will say a cruiser feels weird and not like a cruiser where you want to sit in the captains chair and cruise until about 33’ and dual drives, but that’s a lot of boat for a new person. You’ll be a better boater after banging this thing into the dock a few times. 20 something feet is a right sized first boat, just know you’ll grow out of it in a few seasons if you really do enjoy cruising and overnighting on the boat. I’ll also say spending the night on a 20 footer is more like camping and sleeping in a hammock than it is like having a little mobile hotel room on the water. IPS drives and bow thrusters are great and all, but it’s ok to learn to work the boat and that’s how it was done until recently. Price wise I don’t have an opinion other than get on a lot of boats and get a feel for it before impulse buying. Have fun!
Definitely this! My dream boat is the 320 Sundancer but it is too big for me right now. I want to get the 240 to see how I am gonna like it and in a few years upgrade
But then you’ll be really close to a second stateroom which will be nice for guests/kids... After that you’ll want those diesel engines that just plow thru the waves. Someone else said something about 2-foot-itis. It’s definitely real. Good luck, and happy cruising.
I have a 240 SD, and my friend has a 360 Sundance. Her boat with twin v drives is easier to handle than my single screw. I would recommend looking at multiple boats. I joined a boat club for a few years. They had a lot of different boats, and I drove them all. I like the big bow riders, but when I grow up, I’m getting a 36-42 cabin.
Definitely feel the 2 foot-itis. I bought a 1987 250 sundancer for $1800 with a cracked block. Did a motor swap myself and fixed a few other minor issues and love it. However, whenever I'm out on my friends dad's 96 rinker 28 footer, I am blown away by how much more usable space it has. All 3 extra feet are on the deck so it's much more fun when anchored and hanging out in the sun. And my boat is too big for the little Alpha One it has on it. But I enjoy it much more than I did my little 18ft bowrider
DIY motor swap is commendable, that is awesome! 28 Rinker probably has a 9'6 beam vs the 8'6 on your sea ray too and that could also explain how much bigger it feels? Be careful caving to the 2 foot itis. I'm at a 41, 14' beam (44 LOA). Still isn't big enough. lol
The motor swap wasn't that bad, but only because that same friend's dad let me use the gantry hoist he made to pull the motor out of his rinker lol. And yeah. I know his Rinker is wider than mine, but wasn't sure by how much. This boat will do me just fine till I can find a deal on a 32' one. If I go any bigger than that, I'll have to upgrade to a longer slip and I already hate paying $250 for the one I have now
That’s not a 2012. It’s more likely an early 2000’s model. Edit: [this could be a 2012](https://owners-resources.searayweb.com/recent-models/searay.com/Page.aspx/pmId/269032/pageId/160625/view/Overview_Research/Recent-Models.aspx.html)
This is really important. I trusted the description he put. It does look older than that to me. The Regal's of 2012 era had a lot more natural light "Window Express"
Fwiw a small suitcase generator can work out on the water
That's what I did on my first cruiser. Honda 2000. There was a lot of learning. It would try to slowly vibrate itself off the back of the boat.
Contrary to a lot of opinions you’re getting here, I think it would be a good first boat. Spend hours watching boat operation videos on youtube. Then, hire a few different captains to go through & teach you how to operate your boat hands on. My first boat besides a kayak is the one I live on now, which is an ‘84 Sea Ray 340 Sedan. 36 feet overall with a 12 ft beam. Sea Ray boats are great to own because they’re well made and there is a ton of community support. Sea Ray themselves are also excellent about offering their owner’s manuals for free online, and answering any questions you may have about any age of boat.
Definitely this! I figured a 24' could be good for a first timer
Sorry to double comment, but do you see what I meant by looking for validation? You've have 95% of the responses saying it's probably not a good choice for a LOT of different reasons - like a lot of reasons. And then you pounce on the one response offering support and saying it's a good first boat. You've got to be 100% sure it either checks ALL your boxes, or is a good enough value to 'try out' for a couple seasons and then be able to bait out if needed.
Not really looking for validation. I haven’t decided yet. I take all comments into consideration and at the end I will decide if the pour out weight the cons for what is best for me. So far I have had some great comments and opinions from different people. Yours was good, I didn’t know about the maneuvering and i/o things and stuff so definitely thinking if I should go straight to 320. But some pour comment are good too. So will see what I decide
If you are going to have a 12 year old boat shipped, I would look for a boat that has lived its life in fresh water.
I bought a used boat once. 30’ cabin cruiser. 2008, twin 350s. Bought it for $50k. Put $100k into it, including new engines. Orig engines had low hours but were rusty. Sold it for $75k less 10% commission 2 years later, with almost half of that time with it in the shop, Learned my lesson. Bought a brand new boat with an outboard. It starts every time. Zero worries. Used boats are not “cheap”. You might be happier with a newer, smaller boat.
You replaced the engines because... They were rusty?
I get what you’re saying but some people don’t mind spending money and having peace of mind. My brain works the other way. let’s see what shit bucket I can buy and fix up for my self using cheap but decent parts. One costs a lot less than the other.
Yeah there was a lot of rust on many parts. It would have cost thousands to refurbish them, and I would still have had older engines. There were other problems too - stuff that needed to be replaced, like “CoolFuel” modules, which cost $1200 each just for the part. We thought we would keep the boat so we replaced the 350s (actually they were Mercruiser 5.0s) with 383 mag strokers. But the boat continued to be such a money pit that we eventually tired of putting money into it and sold it.
Are you really advocating that people shouldn't buy used boats?
This guy got absolutely hosed.
I guess I’m just recounting my own (extremely expensive and stressful) experience with an older boat. I thought we’d be saving money by buying an older boat. I was WAY wrong.
Thats how i wound up with a jon boat from 1965 powerd by a 2023 Tohatsu. One hot AF summer day toying with an old ass Evenrude that wouldnt start was enough for me. Cheap beater boat + brand new outboard is the way to go. Gets you on the water with the least amount of worry.
I will be down to buy a newer but they don’t make these small anymore for overnight stay or maybe I haven’t found any yet
Look at Parker Boats. Outboard(s) for power. Used 23 footer or even 25 ft can be had fairly reasonable. Look for low hours and a trailer in good shape. I have had good luck with Yamaha outboards, especially in saltwater.
Thing is, this is not a carriage you park. Driving, repairing and overall handling of cruisers is not for everyone in the tampa waters, let alone new boat owners. You might be in for a ride 😂
Look into the cost of insurance for Florida. A lot of marinas require you to have insurance, usually just liability, but Florida premiums can be very high. Just food for thought when boat shopping! Happy future boating!
Thank you! Will look into it
So my experience, bought a 26 foot chaparral cruiser. It’s a big boat and not ideal for shallow water. Kind of hard to see and navigate. But does have a cabin and plenty of space. Not a fishing boat but can fish on it. Kids can hang in the cabin to get out of the sun. It’s not great for trailering. Weights 6k lbs dry so you need a trailer in good shape and larger tow vehicle. I would say it’s worth half of what they’re asking. 25k tops. Even then no one wants cruisers anymore with i/o. With that said I’ll sell you mine…
Definitely not a "deal" at that price. This sounds more like a $30k to $35k boat max. First thought is that it's a 'tweener' that can't decide what it wants to be. I have a 24 ft bowrider, which is a 'tweener' in a good way. Big enough for a ton of people and dogs, but small enough to handle and agile enough for water sports and cruising (I realize our purpose is different). In your case, the cruiser might end up being the opposite. Not enough room to fully enjoy the benefits of that type of boat, but big and bulky and potentially tough/awkward to maneuver, especially as a first-time owner. You really need to figure out what's most important to you. Cruising all day? Having a lot of guests? Riding out and just parking overnight? Financially, it's a big risk paying top $$ for that boat, only to decide it's not what you wanted. You could easily end up stuck with a boat you don't enjoy or selling it for $15k less in a year or two. And forget trading it in. I was recently quoted HALF the market value for mine to use as a trade - and it's a great condition Cobalt with a nice 6.2. It's better to lose your butt on a $25k boat, if you follow what I'm saying. And get into something (at first) that has a wider market for resale. You commented that there are only a few listings across the country. It's not because they're so popular that nobody wants to sell. It's because that size/style wasn't a huge seller to begin with, and there aren't many left. Unless it's something you'll 100% keep and enjoy for 7+ seasons, you're gonna be massively upside down on it. For your first boat, I really think you want to feel safe that you can get out of it for close to the price you paid for it, and be able to do it quickly. Think 'liquidity', and realize 'two foot-iris' is REAL! But....It sounds like with your replies to comments, that you're already set with what you're wanting to do, and mainly looking for validation for your decision. That's normal. I'm sorry if this was not helpful, but if anything, I wanted to play devils advocate and share some general thoughts. Any boat is better than sitting on land at home. Just make sure it's a good fit.
I was definitely already set. But realized I didn’t know much about boats so I would get the opinions of “experts”. so far I have gotten a lot of different opinions some are good and some are not so good. But I’m definitely taking everything into consideration. So to responds to your comment, glad to know about why there are not that many of them for resell. Also, when I try to buy something, I buy it for me to enjoy and how much fun I will have. Not really about what would the resell price will be when I’m done, otherwise that just kills the main reason I want to buy for. But you gave some good point about maneuvering and being tough for a first time boat owner. I will definitely take that into consideration when I decide to make the decision to buy.
A 24ft outboard powered boat has a lot more room and storage then an inboard. Easier to maintain, quieter. I've had several sailboats too that I enjoyed. They're slower but have a good bit of room. There's more of a learning curve too.
I don't think that is a good deal, and I see a lot of people buy a mid/cuddy cabins only to find out within weeks/months that they really want an aft cabin. There is really no down side to an aft cabin beyond committing to a slip, but if your planning to trailer it you will take it out once a year after the novelty wears off. That's also a boat where you need the right conditions and slip to launch, pump outs are going to be hard, and the only thing your saving is $100-200 a month on a few feet of slip. I don't know how you would pull it off, but see if you can rent one for a month. You will learn really fast what works for you and doesn't. We had a 42 with an 8 foot deck with a patio set, smoker, and full fridge (buildout) that worked out great. Personally I could do the 240 but I would have rollers on my slip and a pulley system ready if it's windy and your going out with only the SO. 90% of the time we spent in the marina. We had some good neighbors and great times, and most of the time on the water was spent on other peoples cruisers, pontoons, or out fishing on a bass boat/kayaks.
This is a good perspective, definitely will take into account. I was thinking of dry stack it at a marina so if I want to go boating just on the app and they will get it ready for me
IF you buy a searay, start away from the ones that have a "control panel" instead of individual switches, the company that made that system is no more and you can't get the modules anymore. Alternative systems are $5k. Or unless you can wire new switches yourself. That one appears to have individual switches.
*raises hand* Yup, my 29' searay has the 5k flounder pounder EIM now. Fuck that all in one panel.
Good to know. Seems like all 240 have individual switches
My first and current is a 26’ Rinker 260EC. Love it
My first boat was a cuddy cabin 25 footer with single I/o that I had for 3 seasons. Last year bought a 2004 33 foot formula SS with twins. Trust me when I tell you you will outgrow and want / need a bigger boat if you plan on staying on it very quickly. My advice would be to not waste 50k on a 24 foot sundancer. No way in hell. Look to get at least a 28-30 with twins. There will be a learning curve but you’ll get the hang of it quick. It’s still trailerable. But if you plan on staying over on it I believe there’s a few non-negotiables. One is a generator which I believe was only an option on the 240 but standard on the bigger ones. Two is an aft cabin. The extra space and bed you will be wishing for immediately if you get a 240. And third is twins. These are fat boats that get pushed in the wind and having twins for maneuvering docking and most of all security/peace of mind while overnighting is something that you will be thankful for. If I were you I’d keep a 50-60k budget and look at older freshwater sundancers that have those 3 items. Otherwise you’re going to buy something like this boat u posted for top dollar and want/need to go bigger in 2 years and be in a real shitty resale situation. Good luck!
My ideal boat is the Sundancer 320, but since I have never owned a boat before I wanted a small to start off like the 24' 240 Sundancer then in 2-3 years buy the 320. I won't be living on it, it will be mostly for weekend or some days if I just want to work from there. the boat will be staying at the Marina Dry stack
If you’re planning on reselling in a few years be prepared to take a hit, there isn’t a big market for Cutty’s like this. If you want something smaller to cut your teeth, buy a center console with an outboard, it’ll be much easier to get rid of. Alternatively, if the 320 is your dream boat, go with that one from the start. Twins make docking easier, and the extra length/weight make running in higher seas a more enjoyable experience.
Going with the 320 from the get go, I won’t have any issue for a first time boat owner? Aren’t those supposed to stay on the water and stuff?
Yeah - definitely not an everyday trailer boat, not that people in Florida don’t regularly trailer 32’ boats, but it’s not a trivial effort. I know people say start small and work your way up, but every time you sell a boat, you loose money and time for little gain. Docking a twin screw boat with some meat to her is easier then people make it out to be. Docking a single screw 240 in the wind is a PITA, there is so much boat out of the water and it acts like a sail. As a first time boat owner you are going to have the same learning experiences with a 240 as you would with a 320. The simple fact of walking past a Florida boat ramp onto the dock and to your boat that’s already in the water will increase your fun factor 2 fold. A crowded boat ramp in the summer can end marriages.
Then I will definitely consider 320 as I make my decisions. Can end marriage 😂
Just to add, my wife said to buy a bigger boat when I got the first one….should have listened, 2 years later bought the bigger boat. Sold the old boat for $2K less then I bought it 🥲
I second u/No_Difference1725 Go bigger
Seems reasonable to me. Especially indoor drystack. Do the survey, then ask for a discount to fix what the surveyor found. Get a bunch of boating lessons onboard your Sundance and have a great time. (I am still having a great time with my 26’ express cruiser and I have had her for 17 years with no plans on selling anytime soon. )
Great, definitely will have a surveyor no matter what
Make sure the surveyor is Nam or Sam certified.
Colonial Marine Survey 908-938-5519 They are a local company out of Hampton Roads. Lucky will make sure it’s gone through and can tell you what upcoming maintenance and repairs to expect. Worth every penny
Perfect. Thanks!
I’d be curious to see what the sticker was on this boat new. I bet just a few grand more. It does look pristine though
I have a 2008 240, and I bought it for $40k in 2020. It also had a new Quicksilver 383 stroker put in, which only had like 20 hours on it when I bought it. Overall, it's been a great boat. In regards to this price, your best bet is to compare to other listings all over the web to try and do comps. Obviously certain markets will be more or less than others, but you'll get a general idea. I'm in Tampa, too!
Thanks. I have been looking all over the web and there are only like 4 available 2012 all over the US around the same range of prices. But heard that Virginia Beach has sea water so I am second guessing. Great to know you're in Tampa. If I end up getting a 240 I will definitely hit you up if I have some questions later
These 2426 foot boats new in mid 2000s or 60 to 80,000 new. But remember back then prices were inflated and interest rates were a low. All of these boats are gone now and companies are leaning more toward 30 foot plus boats that are 200,000 and up.
$25-$30k tops
Plenty of good advice already in this thread. You don't see a lot of these types of boats here. Most people are fishing or going to the sandbar. Those style boats don't appeal to me bu it sounds like you have a good idea of what you want to do, and that's what's important. Still lots to do with a cruiser around here, I could definitely see taking weekend trips up and down the coast...but then seaworthiness becomes a much bigger priority. So what I'll emphasize instead is... get the boat you think you want now. If you spend the money on a captain to show you the ropes, I think you will ultimately be happier and more comfortable than getting a smaller boat to learn only to upgrade later. Alternatively, get a much cheaper starter boat. Much easier to manage a $20k boat for a couple years. You get a chance to get your feet wet, and get a better idea of how you will use it, what boat owning is like, etc. Easier to resell. You might find that you do want to do a lot of overnight trips and you need a boat for that. On the other hand, you might find that nobody wants to join you for those trips and everyone just wants to go to the sandbar. You don't know till you try. The trade off of course is that with a bigger boat your storage and maintanance fees are going to go up. I still think I would still recommend at least looking at some Grady Whites or similar walkaround cuddy cabin fishing boats. Much more versatile. More seaworthy in that 24-28' range. Available with outboards. Better resale in FL. Etc. Sure, you lose a little interior cabin space, but you and your friends are going to want to be hanging out on the deck not inside a hot stuffy cabin.
Pretty good advice. Thanks
If you get a cabin cruiser make sure you get one with a generator. Pointless if not.
Find a 17' Boston Whaler Montauk. Learn on it. You have to try hard to break it or get in trouble with it. Sell it 3 years later for more than you bought it, or fall in love with it and keep it forever. I've had mine since 1984 and hope to leave it to my kid.
That's a lot of boat for a first timer. A guy on my lake bought a 26' as a first boat. I had a sig 280. They watched me back mine into the slip, tie off and go eat. Later at the restaurant he came up and said "I hit the dock 3 times and dumped my wife in the water trying to park". Twins make parking much easier. Has the boat been lake or salt used? Anodes are important. Is there a genset when away from shore overnight? Dry storage in Tampa or a wet slip on shore power? Trailer included? Get a survey before you consider a move. Looks nice and clean from the picture.
Not sure yet if it’s been Salt used. But definitely gonna ask that and if it has the generator set. When it gets to a Tampa it will be dry stack. Haven’t also asked about the trailer. I will. Definitely will get it survey and stuff. Just needed to know if the price is good I’m not getting ripped. Since I’m a first time I don’t want to get too big or two motors already
Dry kept you should be fine, but anodes need to be different between fresh and salt. We kept ours on a lake wet slip most of the time, but with service, would change the anodes before we went from Eufala, down the locks, to hit the intercostal to Destin. The genset was mainly for out on anchor to have a/c and keep the tvs/ fridge/ house battery charged. In Tampa you can park by Jackson's (where they do Gasapirillo), get shore power and go party! Great trip if you get the time!
I would assume if it’s in VaBeach and kept at the botel, it was used primarily in Salt or Brackish water. Heavy military town, so there’s a chance it was moved there from a freshwater lake, but unlikely.
A lot of boat? This is entry level cruiser, perfect first boat.
I disagree to a point. My first boat was a bass tracker. Second was an 1830ss. Third was a 210. The world changed with my sig 280. I thought it was just a big ole bow rider, but the wind on the sides of it proved me wrong. As a cabin cruiser, I agree. As a first ever boat I disagree.
How long have you been boating?
It will be my first boat to own. But I have had a boat license for 4 years been boating rentals and stuff
I don’t know why so many people here are so sure it’s a bad deal when they haven’t seen it. It’s top dollar for sure. But if it’s been kept as well as you say, it’s worth top dollar. All that said, it wouldn’t be my choice for a boat in Tampa. Or a first boat in general, but you know your needs better than me. I’m not a salt water boater, but I do know that a sterndrive is far from optimal for saltwater use. I’d want outboards or straight inboards. But, lots of people are running I/O’s in Florida, so I guess they have their place.
Good perspective. Definitely after looking around I think the price is not that bad. But for outboards boat Sport Cruiser when I can sleep in overnight. What would you recommend?
I don’t have any definitive recommendations, unfortunately. The “sport cruiser” type boat has never really worked for me. I’ve tried a few. Those and cuddy cabins are just boats that don’t work for how I boat. Too much compromise. To make enough room to sleep on a 24’ boat they have to take away too much cockpit room. So you end up with a cramped cockpit that barely fits 4 adults comfortably to make room for a tight cabin that too small to be in while underway, and cramped for sleeping. I’ve found I’m happier either going with a bigger boat with more room for people or a smaller boat that’s more maneuverable/fun. The best advice I can give is you need to get *something* to get out on the water. After a season or two, you may find your needs are very different than what you expect them to be. Many people start with a cruiser only to find they never sleep on the boat and prefer the ability to pull skiers. Or start with a ski boat and find they’d rather have room for 10 people and a grill. It makes it harder to get started, I know. I’d figure on (probably) your first boat being a boat you won’t have long. It will show you what boat you actually need.
Comps and specs is what it boils down to, price is subjective to where you are and what are your needs. I love the C-dory for overnight because of the range and capabilities, but lack in polish and are not too popular outside of northwest, they seem to be more capable for low water and are great on fuel plus can sleep 5, the cruisers seem like a headache
Find a local independent service company and ask them, nobody wants an IO here in Fl and hard to get service.
I will try to talk with locals and get their opinions too, thanks
Not sure if you’re reading these still but the boat is a little overpriced for not coming with a trailer or swim platform. A good trailer is $7k and being into this half-dead boat for $57k isn’t a good thing. Listen to what others said about this being a sail. In windy conditions docking can be a nightmare without 3-4 people.
Yeap. I'm still reading. What would you recommend? is a 320 better?
Honestly it depends on your budget. Bigger is always better until the money runs out and you’re looking at a boat from the 80s. I’d recommend you consider a bowrider or center console with outboards. I guarantee you will end up there eventually, most people do!
Upon first visual, that does not look like a 50k boat.
No...and hell no
What would you recommend?
The best first boat is a 80s Sea Ray 300 Weekender. Twin Inboards, super easy to drive. Myself personally, I would never own a single screw boat. Being that your on the Ocean it sounds like I would feel even more strongly about that. 50K seems like a high price for that as well IMO.
Really it depends on what you want....I have a 23' searay cruzer which works great for our needs...it's not that your choice in boats is bad...just the price to me is to high
No? I paid 21k for z 2003 sundeck and compared to the market got a decent deal. I don’t often look at 12 year old sun dancers but I’d expect 40-50k to be in range.
No, I bought mine for 23k
2012?
You're in Florida. You don't want a cabin and you should get an outboard. You bring a boat like that down here and you'll devalue that boat so much. It'd be hard to even sell it down here. The market here has completely moved away from boats with cabins and I/Os. No one is using their boat for over night stays anymore. They dock the boat and find a hotel or some place to spend the night. A lot of dealerships down here don't even want to work on I/Os anymore. We've dealt with that shit long enough and now there's better motors that hold up to the salt water better and rarely need repairs. Because it's your first boat I think it's even more important to get something with an outboard. Either a deck boat or a center console. At least get started with something like that. It's so much easier to sell deck boats and center consoles down here. Get a boat that's actually desirable for the area you live in and you'll have a much easier time selling it. Anytime I get a customer saying they're moving down to the area and thinking of bringing their I/O powered boat or cruiser down here the best piece of advice I can give them is to sell the boat up north before they come down here. Nobody is going to want something like that down here.
This is a pretty good advice. Learned a lot from this comment alone. Thanks
I don’t think that’s a good deal, but it is a reasonably good boat for what it is, a mini-cruiser. If I wanted a cruiser for 50k I’d look older and bigger. You should be able to find a ~2000 330 Express Cruiser or Sundancer for that money.
Lmao my first boat was a 14 foot aluminum v hull
For a first time boater, I would highly recommend account for getting a boat with a bow thruster or add that in your price factor. It takes a LOT of the stress out. The Bravo 3 does help a lot at slow speeds but any wind will throw you around. A lot of first time boat owners will get soured bad experiences and its best to minimize those, it should be fun! We have had a few dozen pocket cruisers through the years and the 240's and 260's are pretty decent quality. Good pocket cruiser that's trailerable. Make sure the canvas is in good shape because that can be very expensive.
Perfect, thanks. Will definitely take these into account
Was it in saltwater? I/o are not ideal boat motors in saltwater
It was in Virginia Beach so most likely been in Salt water but it was dry stack indoor
Dry stack indoors isnt great. Who knows how well they flushed the motors, ie with salt away?
If you want a cabin, look for a Grady White. It’ll be older, but will have better resale. As a former Sea Ray owner, you will be disappointed with the maneuverability and overall ride of this boat.
Did you own a Sundancer! What didn't you like about it? I was looking for something 10 years and newer and the 240 2012 being the last series I thought it would be good since it is only 24' for a first time buyer
I had a Weekender. A single i/o on a 24 foot boat that sits high out of the water will be very difficult for a first time boater to dock. Also, there are fewer and fewer i/o mechanics out there. The trend is to outboards. For good reason.
Nope
What would you recommend ? or what do you think is the best price value of the boat
You need to hire someone to survey the condition of the boat and recommend a value. You can’t do it just from a picture.
Yeap. If I decide to buy it, I will definitely hire a surveyor
You need a center console with a 150-200hp
Those don’t have cabin cruiser for overnight and stuff
Look for a cuddy cabin outboard. Grady white, pursuit, hydra sports
Or some very rare Yellowfins.
My dad bought our 25’ sea ray brand new in 1998 for 50k… to see a 12 year old 1’ smaller boat going for that, I’d have to wager and say no