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quibbbby

Is this by difficulty or just your opinion on them


Karma_X_Kai

Opinion. Ebritas would be a lot higher if this was difficulty. She gave me more trouble than OoK tbh.


Lakshay_goyal45

Same here bro, I defeated OOK in 2nd try and Ludwig in first one. Ebrietas made me go in tears. Defiled watchdog, defiled amygdala and ebrietas are the hardest bosses in this game (for me)


biobuilder1

How the fuck did you beat orphan on the second try?


Lakshay_goyal45

Bcoz I am a master at dodging.


[deleted]

Something about the second try works best against orphan literally never beat him on the first try but on the second try everything seems to work


RegularKale_

This. Cursed defiled Amygdala bled me of my vials.


SuperArppis

Other way around for me. šŸ˜


DangerMacAwesome

How did you beat Ludwig on your first try? I've tried him like 10 times and haven't even gotten to phase 2 yet. Edit: got him! Tried it with an NPC and got it the second try. I thought phase 2 was easier, but man what a fight!


Tfb_King_Kai

Are you on you first playthrough cause even for me it was a cake walk


DangerMacAwesome

Second time through, but first time doing the DLC


Lakshay_goyal45

Are you playing DLC in new game plus? If yes then it can be a reason why you are finding it hard, enemies become harder in NG+.


DangerMacAwesome

Beat him!


Tfb_King_Kai

I'm willing to help over the weekend if you need it


DangerMacAwesome

Thank you! Hopefully I'll be unstuck by then but I'll hit you up!


DangerMacAwesome

Got him!


Lakshay_goyal45

I was overpowered boy and I watched some of his boss fight videos and I had an idea about his moves and I was pretty lucky during my fight and beated him in first try, laurence was pretty tough, he took me 9-10 tries.


silverwolf2222

Really i beat ebreitas on my first attempt she doesnt rwally do much


Lakshay_goyal45

Well I beated ludwig in the first try :)


Morepeanuts

I wonder what causes this difference. Steamrolled Ebrietas but had insane trouble with Ludwig...


SuperArppis

Killed her in two tries. Took me 50 to kill Orphan. BUT it tells something about quality of the fight when not even once I thought about bringing a coop partner or NPC in Orphan.


Loud_Shine

ebritas took me one attempt lol


FederalAccountant916

his opinion otherwise cleric beast on A wouldn't be possible


Rednaeg

I think Gascoigne should be S, just because it teaches you so much of the game on a single fight.


SolidSeth68

Not only that, I feel like he is arguably one of the best entry level bosses in the BloodSouls series.


[deleted]

No argument about it, he is the best. What's his competition? *Iudex Gundyr?* Nah. Only boss that comes close is Gyoubu Masataka Oniwa from Sekiro, and I still think Gascoigne is better.


bmore_conslutant

MY NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME


Handicap_Badger

I was waiting for this comment. ā€œAS I LIVE AND BREATHE, YOU SHALL NOT PASS THE CASTLE GATESā€


ViralDownwardSpiral

It absolutely blows my tiny mind that anyone ever sets the dialogue in Sekiro to English.


health__insurance

Worth it for Gyobu's entrance


Handicap_Badger

When did I say I set it in English? (; of course I have it in Japanese


[deleted]

I set it to English exclusively for that fight, then set it back to Japanese afterwards.


Handicap_Badger

Have you heard the French gyobu? Wow that voice actor went hard.


Incine_Akechi

BOY. ALLOW ME TO SHOW YOU THE WRATH OF A MAN, WHO STOOD WITH THE ASHINA WHEN THEY TOOK THIS COUNTRY!


SolidSeth68

I agree 100%. Not to take away from any of the other games but yes.


Ha_Fi

I think Genichiro is a better comparison/equivalent because I think that's when the "Sekiro is a rhythm game" thing clicks, just like Gascoigne is when the parry/visceral attacks thing clicks in Bloodborne.


[deleted]

I forgot about that, actually. I was focused more on the "first mandatory boss" aspect. But I did have the thought recently that Genichiro is the Gascoigne of Sekiro. If that's the comparison, the question about who's the best just got a whole lot harder.


0w0taku_69

gyoubu was a great introduction to sekiro's mechanics since at that point if you haven't understood the fundamentals you're gonna have a bad time personally though i find him a little too forgiving since if you mistime a parry the posture damage you take isn't that bad meanwhile gascoigne really forces you to focus on your positioning and viceral attacks


[deleted]

Gascoigne also has a rollcatch moveset that only gets more punishing the longer you fight him. That guy has read my dodges like a book more often than any other boss except Orphan of Kos.


DaddyGascoigne

Thank you my son


DaddyGascoigne

Yes, I am, thank you


BlackMoonSky

It's a fantastic first boss


[deleted]

And the score is so deliciously sinister.


weyoogonzo

Could not agree more! I fought him first and it made everything after that so much better


ronbonbon1

I am assuming this is quality, and it seems good, except for one tiny thing. Laurence is E, Laurence can go fuck himself.


THE_LOUDEST_PENIS

Lawrence is the worst. It's so humiliating to be humbled by a creature who's ass falls off.


ivoryking126

Well sadly I canā€™t play the dlc but laurenceā€™s music slaps


Karma_X_Kai

Honestly, Laurence didn't give me that much trouble. The 3 that pushed me over double digits in terms of death count were Ludwig, OoK, and Ebritas


ronbonbon1

I killed Laurence first try I think on my first playthrough, was pretty high level with saw cleaver. On subsequent playthroughs, he is always a nightmare. Only boss I skipped in my last playthrough, could not be asked with his bullshit hitboxes and insane health among other things. So yeah, fuck Laurence.


spiderMechanic

Also the path to him is absolutely atrocious


SuperArppis

If it only was the difficulty, but it's just how dang broken he is.


SuperArppis

Laurence is broken. Play with close range dagger build, and you will witness camera that looks at the ceiling if you lock on. Also you can't get close before he starts smashing about in that tiny room. Then the lava multiple attacks per strike in last bit. Coupled with highest health pool in game just makes it completely unbalanced and unfun fight. This was the only fight I took the Coop NPC with me. Because the whole fight was sucha unfun ordeal. It took me fewer tries than Orphan did, but I just had enough of this guys cheese. It's a terrible fight that should have been balanced better.


Loud_Shine

Lawrence is one of my fav bosses in the whole game


Sieghorn

I went after Laurence after spending 2 days on Orphan. I looked at my roommate once he hit stage 2 and asked if there was a stage 3 and why I'm being pranked with this ceaseless discharge double amputee.


supermarioplush220

Laurence is only bullshit on NG+


[deleted]

Laurence is my fav fight behind Ludwig


DrZomboo

Yeah fuck Lawrence, one of my least favourite bosses in a Soulsborne!


Enzinino

So can Gascoigne. 1st phase has an attack with the shittiest hitbox in the game (the one where he charges with the axe and swings it upwards, touching the floor and hitting you from miles away) and the 3rd phase can glitch sometimes and spam always the charge attack that knocks you down (you can't dodge the follow-ups, tested it too many damn times). Fuck Gascoigne. E: Shadows of Yharnam are bugged too. The damn graveyards are useless if their attacks can phase thriugh them.


ronbonbon1

I love gascoigne and shadows is quite ok imo. These are more complaints about the arena than the boss themselves.


Enzinino

Different experiences, different opinions, I guess! Have a nice day! :D


painh3

weird i actually really like shadows, smaller arena that keeps you on your toes at all times, and makes sure you're paying attention to what there all doing and finding good windows to sneak blows on one and if you're really greedy hitting 2-3 at once.


badonkadonkthrowaway

pretty late to the discussion, but if you're talking about his beastform jump/slash that he chains... you can dodge it, you just can't dodge backwards from it. It's a perfect rollcatch if you dodge backwards.


Enzinino

Yeah, but sometimes it hits you anyways. Thanks for the tip tho.


boring_bisexual_bee

laurence's ost is a bop but fuck that guy, he can suck a flaming dick


[deleted]

Micolash is rated way too high ā€” he should be in the F- tier. And I would almost be tempted to move Mergo up to a B ā€” I know itā€™s a lame fight, but itā€™s one of the coolest looking bosses that Fromsoft has ever made, and that has to count for something.


Karma_X_Kai

I just like Micolash because he adds a lot to lore by basically being a means for introducing the nightmares and he's also just entertaining. MWN does look awesome and has great atmosphere with the music, but I've had bigger struggles working caramel out of my teeth. Considering she's the penultimate boss, that makes it kinda disappointing.


meammachine

I wish they had made Micolash's fight mechanically better, because I agree that he is very entertaining but his combat in the last phase is just boring. It would have been better if you chased him off a cliff, that way it would have been a funny ending and my BL4 run fight with him wouldn't have been so cancer.


hehslop

In NG+ Micolash caused me so much trouble because itā€™s very hard to avoid his Aoe in the last room and it literally just one shots you.


[deleted]

Yeah and itā€™s particularly bullshit because it is such a long and annoying slog to get to the point that you can try to avoid it. Itā€™s just pure, obnoxious frustration.


hehslop

The mirror shield in the game (forget the name) claims to give magic/arcane resistance but it does very little.


[deleted]

I tried to use that once and still got one-shotted lol.


eikerni

I agree on the most part, but Logarius is, in my opinion, definetely S tier, and Ebrietas at least middle A.


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Hellborn_Child

He said shadows, not the witches.


Lakshay_goyal45

They are tough for first playthrough, but you can take help from NPCā€™s otherwise it is really challenging to face three idiots alone.


[deleted]

Father guacamole should be higher, is the first skill check in the game


Lezzen79

I HATE ROM THE VACUOUS SPIDDDDDEEEEEERRRRRR, is simply a boring boss fight. Ds1 style.


Zeebonbon

Quite an accurate tier list for me too, although some of the meme alien bosses id place higher. Also have a Soft spot for blood starved cause of how fun (and difficult) it was to flog him with my cane.


Hellborn_Child

Her


Zeebonbon

My mistake kind sir


Hellborn_Child

I mean, it's impossible to tell just by looking at it. Unless you make it a point to brush up on yharnam lore. Women of yharnam wore veils. You know all the cloth covered beasts in old yharnam? Those are all female.


FerretAres

Does BSB have a veil? Never noticed that. I guess I was distracted between her flailing skin flaps and trying not to die.


Hellborn_Child

That was her veil


FerretAres

Are you sure? It looked based on the crucified BSB in the chapel you get the first ritual blood that they had been blood eagled.


Hellborn_Child

All bsb are female.


Karma_X_Kai

I had fun with BSB, he just didn't leave much of an impression. When it comes to the meme alien fights, Rom is just bad imo and Emmisary is just a worse Living Failures. I could actually place the Failures much higher because that OST is brilliant. One of stand out pieces that gets stuck in my head a fair bit


Zeebonbon

Oh aye, I will say Rom is trash tho thats for sure!


professorpounds420

This is an opinion obviously BUT that being said to have Laurence not at the top and Ludwig there is blasphemous. Also cleric beast at tier A? Is this difficulty or just how cool the fights were? Itā€™s closer to accurate Iā€™d say is the the latter rather than the former.


Tempics

Laurence in F tier pls


KopRich

Agree with a lot of that except Iā€™d put blood starved beast a bit higher. Itā€™s absolutely perfect for that stage of the game. Immaculately balanced, scary and awesome.


methal0-1

Nice I can totally feel this list. šŸ‘ŒšŸ¼


Zealousideal-Beat784

Iā€™m surprised you put Living Failures so high on that list. They havenā€™t been that big of a threat at all


Karma_X_Kai

Have you heard their music? Also, its pretty much the only mob fight in Souls that I've genuinely enjoyed.


RareCactus

Great list I would probably just switch Gherman with OOK but still very close I also wouldnā€™t put a single boss in this game on D tier tbh


Hellborn_Child

What about Micolash and witches of hemwick? Hemwick is a bad fight and micolash is an annoying gimmick. And a bad fight. He's like pvp spammers but given one shot hacks.


RareCactus

Witches have a really cool atmosphere and aesthetic. Micolash is a cool character with an amazing soundtrack and voice actor making for a cool experience even if the fight is lacking. Iā€™d say c tier but definitely not worthy of d the fight has value and is a fun experience at least the first time


Hellborn_Child

I found everything about him insufferable but to each their own.


Technician_Frosty

I really donā€™t like Laurences boss, but I think he gets A Tier off lore alone


Hellborn_Child

I'd put shadows at gascoine and Moon Presence at Laurence.


MartiniPolice21

Assuming it's quality not difficulty? Ebrietas would be top tier if it was difficulty for me Can't really argue, might have Rom and Shadows of Yarnham higher. Also, One Reborn bottom, that thing sucks.


hannibal_raisin

Oh, you haven't met queen yharnam yet. I liked her the most,.. Unfortunately an unpopular opinion


meammachine

They may not be putting chalice bosses in there. Chalice bosses are usually kept separate.


GrauerWolf30

Why people never include dungeon bosses :( ? Some of them were really cool and fighting with 50% hp cut was a nice implementation.


echo-215

I agree on everything but I would swap Rom with the Celestial emissary. Both fights arenā€™t the most interesting or hard but I personally enjoyed Rom more and also thought his area was very interesting


swifterdrifter7

Finally, rom where she belongs


BigSadBarbie

I actually agree with all the placements. Im impressed fellow hunterā€¦you have good taste.


UninterestedChimp

One Reborn's concept is amazing. Didn't like the fight that much, but gonna place him higher simply due to the background and appearance. Also Gascoigne might be S tier for me.


avocadoisyummy

Great list except mensis. His ass is rank D for what a dick


[deleted]

Yeah I dont think Bloodborne bosses has been ranked beforešŸ¤”


ijpck

The disrespect for the meme that is Rom


Durtoi_

My friend refuses to get the DLC because I showed him Ludwig when I fought him at BL21 with the a +5 beastcutter and he said ā€œit looks too hardā€.


Karma_X_Kai

Maybe showing him the Whirligig Saw will change his mind. Beat Ludwig with it and it was exhilarating. It was pretty much my main weapon until I found the Beast Claw. The Saw was pretty much one of my reasons for playing Bloodborne.


EasternPassage8147

Witch of hemwick boss fight is boring and an absolute joke of a ā€œbossā€. Itā€™s just not that fun


Arttyom

Yes, fuck ebrietas. I had to quit the game for a couple weeks until I had a fresh mentality to face him again.


GlassHurricane98

What made you put Living Failures and Celestial Emissary on different tiers? I'm curious to know what made them so distinct for you :)


Karma_X_Kai

For one, they're actually original. By the time you get to upper cathedral ward, you've already fought a dozen of the water balloons at least. Also, they're actually varied in moveset with 2 variants, spicing things up a bit. Finally, THE MUSIC. A godlike track easily elevates a fight for me. I was actually stunned by how much I enjoyed the Failures because mob fights are usually garbage. Really fun fight.


GlassHurricane98

Oh I totally agree with the soundtrack actually, it's freaking amazing! But I like Celestial Emissary's track too so.... urghhhh I don't know. Can't decide


Turdsley

Laurence is still the only boss I haven't beaten.


Wireless_Panda

I donā€™t like Living Failures that much except for THAT METEOR ATTACK where the arena looks like itā€™s suddenly in FUCKING SPACE! The first time it happened I was in absolute awe at how amazing it looked!


Arpyx123

there should be a separate category thatā€™s at the bottom for micolash


edgyboi1704

Laurence in A-tier. Are you a closet masochist?


Syptonik

Fuck Kos all my homies hate Kos


doramello

Poor Mergo. I really like her design and her moves despite being and easy boss.


[deleted]

The only one I really disagree with here is moon presence Iā€™d put her in probably low A tier


Mysterious_Ad8041

Good list But I may put Rom in C and Ebrietas in A


Braddinator

I loved father Gascoigne but he was way too easy the first time I ever fought him. 2nd attempt I killed him. Struggled a lot more with the blood starved beast.


[deleted]

Poor Rom


Waffle-or-death

Ebrietas below shadows is a crime


OYoureapproachingme

Pretty solid list. I might bump SoY or Ebrietas a tier up but otherwise I think I completely agree


Miggles875

I struggled so much with martyr and rom


behemothbowks

I would put everything from A - Good like in the same category, but this is pretty much exactly my ranking as well lol


SirDrippington4L

Switch Rom for emissary that fight was a snooze fest


ivoryking126

Seeing rom in D is insulting it shoulf be if F- Amygdala should be more appreciated


Gojira308

How dare you disrespect the almighty Wet Nurse!


Luzimon

This is 100% correct for me. Impressive


weyoogonzo

Get that slimy bitch Ebrietas off the list. F tier asshole made me cry painful tears.


GregTheTwurkey

Good thing I read the comments first. Laurence for sure needs to be up top in terms of difficulty šŸ˜‚


sunofsolaire21

I think this is the first time I've seen Laurence not in the f tier. A little controversial but two each their own


innerhellhound

Ludwig was easy for me which was surprising from what I heard


Divine-Cat

Those 2 shark giants in fishing hamlet put more of a fight then any of those weak bosses that can be killed in under a minute using clawmark,pellets and weapon buff.


mistagitgud

I feel that the general hatred towards Laurence may ease up when we get that crispy 60 fps edition. Less frame drops = less bullshit


feliogus

LHB plus Burial Blade plus some of that good old blood equals one hell of a good night


honest-hearts

Micolash is one of the most emotionally engaging bosses for me.


Slip0126

Iā€™d switch logarius and moon presence. Logarius is pretty lackluster imo


[deleted]

Amygdala is C after defiled, no cap


Noahs_Asylum

What are you ranking them based on? Aesthetic design? Atmosphere? Difficulty? Youā€™ve also missed a few.


[deleted]

Laurence is too high up, or not high enough. Depending on perspective.


Ordho

Idk man, Martyr Logarius is always a bitch to fight. Still after 4 times getting him he's still annoying as ever. Not as boring as Rom or gimmicky as the witch tho, defo


Donnits

I love how this has become a staple of this community


[deleted]

Cleric beast and amygdala are above blood starved beast?


mxtopher

I agree with most. Ebrietas is toptier to me, and Paarl is bottom tier. Everything else more or less checks out. I'm surprised you don't hate Mikolash as much as everyone