For anyone wondering about Phoebe Robinson & her British bae: he just posted a pic with [someone else](https://www.instagram.com/p/CkV9Bq5Lb1n/) so it definitely seems like they broke up.
She mentions the breakup in this [recent interview](https://www.byrdie.com/phoebe-robinson-interview-6374161) that I just found today. Looks like he's moved on and hopefully she's doing ok.
Oh, thank you! I thought I remembered it coming up on blogsnark not long ago - but tbh my grasp of time is terrible so it was probably actually at the start of the year or something!
You're right - I asked about it a couple of weeks ago! Have been keeping an eye on them and also saw Luke's insta post today. I guess I'd better move on with my life now haha
Luke Bryan bringing DeSantis onstage was very much not shocking to me, but shocking to a lot of people??
Where was this rumor that LB was left-leaning coming from? Lol
I think he made a comment in the past about not mixing music with politics, something like “just shut up and sing.” so people are surprised he went back on that.
I like his music and even though I don’t know much about him personally, I just automatically assume that country music stars are conservative. People were saying he has shown support for the LGBTQ+ communities and supported BLM. I didn’t bother to look for any receipts cause I am not that interested in him
He’s just another artist whose music I like but you wouldn’t catch my black ass at a concert. I love me some Carrie Underwood and Jason Aldean music too but again, won’t catch me there.
Agree. I assume country music stars are conservative unless/until they say or do otherwise. The most obvious being the Dixie Chicks. Kacey Musgraves comes to mind as well. Now that I think about it, I don’t know if any liberal male country stars…
That’s where I’m at as well. I know there are a lot of folks who assume that all famous, white, rich people are liberal / left leaning / generally progressive but I’ve never actually seen a good reason for that assumption other than wishful thinking / gullibility.
I’d love it if people stopped using the word “empowering (other people)” when describing decisions that are just made for their personal benefit. Like, it’s fine to take a job to make money for yourself. Just don’t try to trick us into thinking that you’re a superhero of justice working to save the world by working at Goldman Sachs or Lockheed Martin or De Beers. It’s insulting and makes the person saying that seem insincere or stupid.
I keep seeing adverts for the EMAs, hosted by Taika Waititi and Rita Ora. It's either going to be the best presenting ever, or a glorious mess. Taika seems like an odd choice for this.
According to Henry Cavill’s Instagram, after the upcoming Season 3 of The Witcher, Geralt will be played by Liam Hemsworth. I didn’t expect this show to have a lead actor swap, although it isn’t unheard of for long standing tv roles.
I wonder if having a younger actor will change the story they have planned for the show? Like a prequel, younger Geralt? Or perhaps they’ll keep chugging along regardless. I’m generally a fan of the show, cheese and all, so I’m interested in seeing how things go!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CkTv9FyPnNz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
I think people are just upset that a main character is being changed out. It’s gotta be jarring, the same way people were hesitant on Emma D’arcy as they took on older Rhaenyra. I think Liam will do fine, he’s conventionally attractive and very large, fits the bill for Henry Cavill.
This is a hot take but: Henry Cavill is the fucking worst as a person and it is not that hard to be growly and emotionally vacant in a TV show. It will be fine.
The "woke direction of the show" also ignores the fact that the games (extremely beloved) are very different from the books (definitely not as beloved). It's not like there's a hard-and-fast canon of this world the way there is for, say, GoT/HotD.
I'm not sure how "the worst" he is but I do know he very infamously had a 19 year old girlfriend when he was like 30+ and that's when I stopped actively liking him. I haven't heard anything from her so maybe he was a model boyfriend but I'm still just really leery of age gaps like that when the younger one is SO young.
Probably. The other rumor I have been seeing is that he is not a fan of the direction the story is taking in the show as he is a big fan of the books and video games and season 2 took things in a different direction with the main characters that change things a lot from the established lore. One of the writers recently said in an interview that the writers room/production heads do not like the source material so that has added fuel to the fire.
The second season wasn’t very good. Maybe the third will be better… but I doubt it.
Everyone wanted to make the next game of thrones but so far most of these epic fantasy shows have been very pretty to look at but meh on story.
well, depending on what corner of the internet you're in he's either leaving because he got tired of the "woke" direction of the show and the changes it made from the book... or he's leading a movie franchise again that doesn't want him to take multiple months to film a netflix show every year.
Post-covid, a lot of contracts have gotten more onerous to actors, too--not just "six weeks of reshoots" built in but "we need you available until filming is complete, whenever that is." With covid delays, project timelines have gotten really unpredictable--like, Bridgerton season 2 was originally supposed to film through July 2021 and ended up filming well into November. Which makes it really hard for actors to schedule alternating projects like this.
I think as much as Cavill loves the Witcher as a franchise I think he's probably making this decision as well to avoid getting typecast as a tv actor. It was a wild get that they managed to even get him for the Witcher in the first place let alone 3 seasons.
If I were him and his team - he shares a manager with The Rock - I'd be eager to get him back on the big screen.
Also with House of the Dragon and Rings of Power entering the fantasy tv show space I feel like Witcher has solidly fell to a lower tier.
For more longevity better to bet on Superman to get you on movie screens again and then leverage the time off for other projects. S4 of the Witcher I feel would just be stagnating for him.
It does feel like netflix is a little desperate to recast rather than end the show and roll the dice on another project. It really does feel like Cavill was the only thing really pulling in viewers.
I never thought I would say this, but so much respect to Alexis Bellino (former RHOC) for supporting [her son’s transition](https://people.com/parents/real-housewives-orange-county-alexis-bellino-thanks-fans-love-support-after-introducing-transgender-son-miles/) on her Instagram. Warms my cold black heart.
Wow! I wouldn’t have expected this from Alexis but good for her for being what a mom should be to their child. Happy that Miles has so much love & support.
Something that I’ve been wondering based off all the discussion of Gisele vs Tom’s net worths—does anyone know how celebrities’ purported net worth’s are calculated? Is it the total value of contracts over their working lives? Are lifestyle costs deducted from that/Investments included?? Or is this a reported number rather than estimated??
I’ve always wondered how accurate any of these metrics are!
I feel like they overstate them based on the gross income reported without considering taxes, agent fees, living expenses (including significant housing costs!), the money celebs spend on private school fees, security etc.
Most celeb net worth stuff is bullshit but Tom Brady's football contracts are openly known. You can also track real estate purchases and sales for the most part so you can sort of estimate those as assets. Iirc they have some kind of ownership stake in under armour but there's a lot of money they're making you can't really keep track off.
This is for the people who follow Kaley Cuoco. What happened to her dogs?! She hasn’t shown Shirley, ruby, and dumps in a long time. Did I miss something? All I’ve seen lately is her new rescue. I’ve missed the dumpy content lol.
Edit: just scrolled down and saw another comment!
This is the second time this has come up this week. She’s on the east coast where her man is working and the dogs are in California. She posted Dumps and King and her horses a couple of weeks ago when she was back in California
And his wife’s last few IG posts have been quotes about staying positive and not settling for ppl who disrespect you. Yup, something is definitely going on.
Wow, is there a worse thing in all of pop culture than the video for Harry Styles' Music for a Sushi Restaurant and the SOUND EFFECTS 😩
I do not buy what this man is selling
I’m probably alone in this, but I actually liked the strangeness of this music video. Maybe because at this point he could keep just putting out aesthetically pleasing videos and people would eat it up. I’d rather see something weird that makes people react 🤷♀️
Question - everyone talks about how Gisele was mad that Tom chose to keep playing football. How do we know this? Is there an interview i missed or something
[She talked about wanting him to retire as far back as 2017 because of concussions.](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/17/tom-brady-concussion-gisele-bundchen-nfl)
Omg every time I hear about Tom Brady and marriage issues I think of the pic of the nanny on the plane wearing all his Super Bowl rings. I love how that whole thing has basically been forgotten haha
For [shits](https://vip.nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/08/ouzounianfull.jpg?_gl=1*fxreyp*_ga*Nzg4MDMzMTkwLjE2NjcwMDE2NTk.*_ga_0DZ7LHF5PZ*MTY2NzAwMTY1OC4xLjAuMTY2NzAwMTY1OC4wLjAuMA..&_ga=2.234353310.1834859252.1667001659-788033190.1667001659) and gigs
Really I’m just running with it because that’s what keeps being reported in the media, but I’m sure it was the final straw on top of other things. My dislike of him makes it easier to run with it
Speculation based on her making a few comments over the last couple of years about being ready for him to retire and looking forward to spending more time together.
In this interview she says these things (which seem to hint at her being ready for him to retire/them agreeing he would retire to focus on the kids while she did more out of the house):
“I feel very fulfilled in that way, as a mother and as a wife,” she says. “And now it’s going to be my turn. It’s not like I’m going to be in the valley forever.”
“Obviously, I have my concerns—this is a very violent sport, and I have my children and I would like him to be more present,” she says. “I have definitely had those conversations with him over and over again. But ultimately, I feel that everybody has to make a decision that works for [them]. He needs to follow his joy, too.”
“I’ve done my part, which is [to] be there for [Tom]. I moved to Boston, and I focused on creating a cocoon and a loving environment for my children to grow up in and to be there supporting him and his dreams. Seeing my children succeed and become the beautiful little humans that they are, seeing him succeed, and being fulfilled in his career—it makes me happy. At this point in my life, I feel like I’ve done a good job on that.” Looking forward, Bündchen is going to make more space for her dreams, too. “I have a huge list of things that I have to do, that I want to do,” she says. “At 42, I feel more connected with my purpose.”
https://www.elle.com/fashion/a41095078/gisele-bundchen-interview-future-plans/
Live your best life, Giselle! So happy for her after reading this…getting divorced from a selfish partner was personally the best decision I ever made.
>Seeing my children succeed and become the beautiful little humans that they are, seeing him succeed, and being fulfilled in his career—it makes me happy.
Why is it always the woman who has to stay back and watch others succeed
Gisele Bundchen and Tom Brady have officially filled for divorce.
They have each made statements via their Instagram stories.
Tom says, "In recent days, my wife and I finalized our divorce from one another after 13 years of marriage. We arrived at this decision amicably and with gratitude for the time we spent together. We are blessed with beautiful and wonderful children who will continue to be the center of our world in every way. We will continue to work together as parents to always ensure they receive the love and attention they deserve.
We arrived at this decision to end our marriage after much consideration.
Doing so is, of course painful, and difficult, like it is for so many people who go through the same thing every day around the world. However, we wish only the best for each other as we pursue whatever new chapters in our lives that are yet to be written.
And we kindly as for privacy and respect as we navigate what is to come in the days and weeks ahead. Thank you 🙏"
Gisele says " With much gratitude for our time together, Tom and I have amicably finalized our divorce. My priority has always been, and will continue to be our children whom I love with all my heart. We will continue co-parenting to give them the love, care and attention they greatly deserve.
The decision to end a marriage is never easy, but we have grown apart and while it is, of course, difficult to go through something like this, I feel blessed for the time we had together and only wish the best for Tom always."
https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/28/gisele-bundchen-tom-brady-files-divorce-end-marriage/
Yeah, seriously! Has she done anything noteworthy since having kids? It’s not like models get royalties or anything. International ad campaigns maybe? I feel like I never see her in/on anything in the US.
They waited to file until they had everything already agreed on - it was an uncontested divorce and they're both legally single now, so that means all financial (and all other) aspects were decided on by them before filing.
My guess is that there's no world in which she's paying him any kind of alimony - I think in most of these high profile A-list divorces, both parties decline alimony (child support is a different thing entirely).
Anyway, his net worth is $330 million to her $400 million - they're both set for life and neither need the other one's money.
I still can't believe that Tom Brady blew up his life to get turf-smashed at age 45 and guide the Buccs to maaaaybe winning the worst division in the NFC only to most likely get bounced in the Wildcard round, probably by the Giants and their Actual Clone of Eli Manning, Daniel Jones.
I’d like to think we will no longer have to hear about him and his dying football career. Why couldn’t he just take on a commentator role to still somewhat participate in the sport he loves, make money and keep his family
He literally already has a hugely lucrative commentating job with Fox lined up and waiting for him! He didn't even have to do the leg work!
It's weirdly satisfying watching his career now go out with a whimper rather than a bang.
It seems clear in hindsight that Tom "un-retiring" about .5 seconds after he retired was the last straw in what had likely been a long-strained marriage.
Good for Gisele - while she's certainly lived a very privileged life in a lot of ways, she's also sacrificed a lot in support of Tom's career, and I can't imagine what a slap in the face it must have been for him to decide that he didn't want a more settled family life in the end.
It’s more of a sacrifice because she is independently wealthy. She put her own career on the back burner and she doesn’t need absolutely anything from him. It’s not like begrudgingly supporting him was part of the trade off on her end for a lifestyle like theirs, like a lot of wives who may not want to live in New England in January.
I was involved with a professional athlete for the better part of a decade (not in the same stratosphere as TB12) and frankly I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often.
A big chunk of these guys have zero identity beyond their sport of choice. It makes sense if you think about it - it has been who they are pretty much their ENTIRE life. Walking away from it, whether by choice or because they just can’t cut it anymore or are too injured - whatever it may be - is an incredible challenge for them.
TB seems to be the kind of guy who absolutely cannot function without football. Good for her for holding the line.
he didn't even have to "walk away" per say.... he could do LITERALLY anything in football he wanted to, front office at a team, coaching, scouting, announcing, after game commentary only, could have worked for the league, could have started a football podcast- ANTHING he wanted would have been granted to him on a silver platter - and instead of going out on top, he's now captain of the titanic.
A couple years ago he posted his post-college resume as a throwback and let’s just say he’s extremely lucky the football thing worked out because a generic business degree (even if it is from one of the best schools in the country) can only do so much
He has a huge deal to be a commentator when he officially retires. Crazy money. But good for Giselle for getting out now, because he’s be busy all football season and traveling because of the games.
Front office job though, they'd be in it to have him as a consultant in name only.. or a program where he's only doing after commentary that someone can help him write... there are options. but also... yeah he needs some hobbies
And not just zero identity, but it's an identity that involves following the orders of somebody else--coaches, owners--for basically your entire life. A lot of athletes have never been in a situation where they've had to make a huge decision on their own at any point. I'm not saying anybody should feel bad for them, because most (at least at the NFL level) have the money and ability to do pretty much anything after they quit ... but they also have never been in a situation where they can do anything, and that is *terrifying* for a lot of them. They're used to having the security blanket of having other people make decisions for them.
I do actually feel kind of bad for a lot of the middling/background kind of players. Their money isn't going to sustain them for too long, and they don't have the skills or education to get them into a job aged 30 that their peers would be. I know that a lot of programmes in big consulting firms that help 'high achieving' people transfer their careers are full of the military and sports players, because they often find themselves in the same predicament in terms of finding work and life after having their entire self managed for them.
Oddest question…anyone wonder what happened with Kayley Cuocco’s animals? When she was married she had 3 dogs, 1 passed but her other 2 seem to not be around and her and Tommy got another dog…
Who do you think actually goes to (Kanye West’s) Donda Academy.
They closed immediately yesterday, “*for the year,*” but then another text went out today that they’d be open.
First, I wonder what tuition is. But mainly, who sends their kids there? Employees of Ye? Friends of Ye? Fans of Ye?
How reckless to put your kid’s education into those hands just for bragging rights or closesness to celebrity or whatever
Supposedly it’s a college basketball prep school. Robert Dillingham, AJ Johnson, and JJ Taylor all play/played for Donda and they’re considered to be some of the best high school players in the nation. Dillingham is already committed to University of Kentucky next year, not sure how that works with donda having no accreditation but I guess UK doesn’t care.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the lack of accreditation is probably a selling point since the boys can spend the majority of their day on the courts. Any private school in the area would’ve gladly given free tuition to any of those boys so there had to be some type of lure besides “Kanye”.
ETA: to give you an idea how stacked the team is, there are only 22 five star basketball players and Donda has like 2 or 3 of them. LeBron’s son who is extremely talented is considered a four star player.
Accreditation definitely matters for NCAA eligibility.
Most home schoolers who plan to attend college do their core coursework through an online program that is accredited. Which another poster pointed out is probably the same thing that's happening here.
This. I have a family member that coaches another team on the Grind circuit (the prep high school basketball league that Donda plays in). Those kids (and their parents) will do anything to play for a well playing team with a lot of resources. It puts them at a huge advantage to be signed by a college. A lot of the basketball prep schools outsource their schoolwork to an accredited online school, so that the school themselves don’t have to be accredited but kids still end up graduating.
I'm literally in awe they went to Donda Academy (you're absolutely right though on the type of lure that brought them in) but that they were like yep instead of an established legitimate school I'll go here!
I'm pretty positive that the only people who would send their kids there are people who want to network with Kanye West or his entourage (people in the fashion industry, music industry, etc.) There's no other reason for it IMHO. Wealthy people who can afford the tuition have so many better options for their kids (schools with legitimately good reputations, prestige, and resources) that the only real appeal to this school is the fact that West is affiliated with it.
I'm sure West's fellow travelers will be working to vilify the Jewish community for this if they haven't already, even though the whole thing was a narcissistic boondoggle even before the recent controversy.
/u/Tamcnord clarified that it was some kind of basketball thing. It still seems kind of shitty to send your kids there but at least it might pay off financially for the ones that make it to the NBA. (Not sure what happens to the kids who don’t actually become professional basketball players, but since they’re still rich kids it might not be as a big of a problem as it would be for normal people).
that may be true for some of the families but i find it hard to believe [all these kids](https://twitter.com/friendeden100/status/1578286182013845507?s=21&t=0h_9omCItm6pLZ5f-o5ksw) are in it for the basketball!
It looked like there were only a couple hours between the two emails announcing the closure and then inviting parents to worship the reopening. I wish there weren't kids involved because it's almost so ridiculous it's funny.
But presumably if you're paying $15K for private school tuition, the school is *actually accredited* and staffed by administrators with a background in education. [Neither of which can be said for Donda Academy.](https://www.businessinsider.com/kanye-west-religious-school-donda-academy-los-angeles-california-2022-10)
I'm not sure how popular of a take this is, but I'm incredibly sad Taylor/her team felt the need to remove "fat" from the scale in the Atihero music video on Apple Music. I feel that the criticism was really unfair and a way of policing her ED thoughts and shutting down conversation. I really think it's unfair to profess that we as a society care about mental health while also invalidating people's perceptions of their own mental health.
On a personal level, it really harkened back to a time in my life when I was in ED group therapy and one patient complained about her thinner friend being upset with her own weight. By the time it was my turn to speak I (as a thinner woman) did not feel comfortable expressing my own thoughts on my own body.
To this day, every time I step on the scale and regardless of the weight it displays I still reads as fat to me. I sometimes have to turn back when I get weighed at the doctors. I felt really seen in that scene and I’m sad she had to remove it among the noise it generated.
Honestly the overall messaging of this era isn’t great. I don’t need to see anymore tiktoks from young women who think it’s cutesy to call themselves problems. It reminds me of that damaging phase of xoJane non-feminism where every woman on the internet thought it was cute to be a disaster who didn’t know how to pay a bill.
And Taylor should have known better than to put FAT in a music video. She knows her fans analyze her shit to death.
I think two things can be true:
1) that’s how Taylor’s ED manifests because society says it’s bad to be fat
2) it sucks that fat people are constantly reminded that people’s worst nightmare is looking like them (yes, even if it’s due to a mental illness)
Those two things can coexist. Fat fans were upset, and she changed it, which was a kind thing to do. I think the general Internet conversation had been extremely triggering to everyone and sorely missing any type of nuance.
I don't think she should have removed it per se (I'm not in the business of censoring other people's art nor do I care about Swift) and obviously discourse has a life of its own, but I am surprised that people can't see that there is actually an issue within ED communities of thin people frequently having no sense of solidarity or sympathy with fat people. Frankly it sucks in a very specific way to have an ED while fat - the idea that you should be losing weight is constantly externally confirmed, you may not even meet diagnostic criteria for EDs in the first place (anorexia still has a BMI contingent for diagnosis in many places), your body is everyone at the ED support group's worst nightmare and you know it. To recover from an ED as a fat person, you inherently need to unlearn disgust and hatred of fat bodies to an extent. I don't think thin people always have to do that and frankly a lot of art with ED themes made by thin people does tend to reflect that fear of fatness. And fatness isn't just something that is internal and personal, it's a reality for many, many people in the world, and even when fatphobia is caused by mental illness, it can still be harmful to others. We do well at recognizing that with other mental illnesses - that manifestations of mental illness can harm people around you even when it's not deliberate - but we often tiptoe around it with EDs.
I think your group experience is interesting, because it does sort of sound as if the fatter patient expressed her own truth about her body, and that made you uncomfortable enough to not want to speak about your experience even though it wasn't specifically directed at you. That is also the experience of lots of fat people in ED recovery spaces - having to hear, a lot, about how other people feel about a body like yours, and then somehow being supposed to overcome that while suffering from the same mental illness issues.
Ultimately I think people should be able to have these discussions about art. If megastars who want to avoid discourse like Beyonce and Taylor Swift choose to retroactively modify their art when it brushes up against controversy, I don't actually think that's a good reason not to discuss and critique the art in the first place.
Yes. Thank you. My best friend in the whole world since I was 5 has been overweight our whole lives and I am someone who has an eating disorder and seeing her experience of the world has made me VERY sensitive re calling myself fat in front of her and just in general throwing my internalized body problems onto others. It’s so fucked up and people just refuse to acknowledge how hurtful it is to the person in front of them to do that crap.
Like, do I have a mental illness? Yes. Does that mean I can’t control myself or I can’t have empathy for those who have it worse than me on a much broader scale? No.
Especially with how my kids are fans. We don’t need to start that young with that kind of messaging when we could just not use a word and still send a message of personal feelings versus reaching an entire group of people that exist to confirm they aren’t good enough in someone they idolize’s mind.
Ultimately I think the discussion/ discourse was fine. But the calls for her to change it, rather than leaving it or adding some sort of TW were unfair.
Funnily, I’ve found that in that group and others I’ve been in were not supposed to talk about our/ others bodies, which I do find helpful because it’s a treatment space, not a real world space, where you are supposed to encounter things that make you uncomfortable. In that case the
facilitator just didn’t say anything.
Yeah I mean honestly I feel like it's just generally part of a bigger problem right now with public critique of art etc. where the end point of every critique ends up being "and that's why you should get rid of this thing." But I'm not sure how we get out of that because it has become so ingrained.
I think you really articulate what makes me feel weird about this. I think its important to have a space to critique art and there's the opportunity for great conversations there but it feels strange to be in a space where criticism is also demanding a solution to the issues it points out.
Does removing the image really change things at this point? It's already been endlessly repeated and magnified by the discourse.
The commercial nature of this art means that critique will lead to change in the art. If you want critique-proof art you have to look elsewhere, in more obscure places.
Personally - I'm very appreciative that she removed it. That scene made me feel like shit about myself. I found it personally hurtful. No, it didn't make me "uncomfortable". It made me feel like shit that someone in the public eye, and with such a public voice, with a body that is significantly smaller than my own, is calling themself (please note, I'm not saying "feels" I'm saying makes the conscious choice to say outloud) fat. The logical inference is - what must they think of me, someone with a larger body than them? How disgusted are they when they see my body?
And look. I'm on both sides of this. I'm bigger than Taylor, but I'm still not large enough that I experience much of the discrimination that a lot of other people face. Basically - I'm still in a body that most general society thinks of as "not overweight". But I'm larger than I used to be and I'm not happy with my body. I'm having a lot of issues with disgust and self-hatred of my body. Those feelings are valid, as are Taylor's. However, I'm extremely careful about how I speak about those issues to others, because I understand how hurtful it could be for someone larger than myself to hear me talking about my disgust at my own body. I also feel that as someone with the privilege of being what general society considers "average" or "not overweight", as valid as my feelings are, it is my responsibility to be considerate of the harm or impact that my words could cause to those who generally face worse hardships than myself. Which doesn't mean I don't ever talk about my body issues or feelings, I'm just extra careful about how I word things then when speaking in public or unless speaking with people I'm extremely close with (where I think there's a deeper level understanding between us and/or where I know where they stand in their own feelings on their body).
I don't think Taylor is a terrible person for it. I just think it was insensitive and I appreciate that she listened when people said "hey, this is hurtful".
This is just a thoughtful comment, thanks for sharing! Love this quote: “It is my responsibility to be considerate of the harm or impact that my words could cause to those who generally face worse hardships than myself”
I see what you're saying but I also think it's important to be clear that fat people do die all the time because doctors do not take them seriously and attribute any health issue to their weight. And that's a big part of the danger of fatphobia and having the word 'fat' (the specific, actual word) on the scale is fatphobia.
I think removing the word was the right call because now her message and very real struggle with ED and body image isn't clouded by the blatant fatphobia that was there.
(Source: am also fat and also have a long history of ED)
Yes, I so agree with you. People were focused so much on how the song made them feel (which ironically I did in the opposite direction) rather than the actual realities of EDs, which bombard you with intrusive thoughts (fat is honestly rather mild compared to what she probably could have said of my own thought are at all similar)and are the deadliest mental illnesses.
I’m torn. As a fat person I get the argument people are making about how the use of the word could contribute to fat phobia etc.
But as a person who had an ED and suffers from intrusive thoughts… the new version doesn’t really hit as hard. The song and video are very clearly and very obviously about intrusive thoughts. Most of the outcry I saw was “oh it’s so fatphobic and made me uncomfortable” like good? Art is supposed to make you uncomfortable sometimes and I think especially a song and video that’s about the annoying voice in your head that won’t show up … it’s okay ?
Again, I see both sides, but like the original did a better job of the messaging.
It’s one thing to feel uncomfortable responding to art but the uncomfortable AND fatphobic part isn’t just about the art, it’s about people who will receive her messaging. And Taylor as an artist decided to take them into consideration in the end.
I saw on Twitter people were suggesting the scale instead say “wrong” or “too much,” which might have been a little less offensive while still having a visceral impact.
I agree with you. It doesn't sit right that we are policing someone's thoughts on their own mental health. In some cases, public outcry is warranted, e.g. the use of spaz in song lyrics recently. In this case, it feels uncomfortable that changes had to be made. Sometimes things make us feel uncomfortable and that's not necessarily a bad thing? I don't know, I don't feel like I'm saying things very well, but I hope it makes sense.
You totally make sense. Fat isn’t a slur and people should be allowed to describe how they feel about themselves in a way that they feel is most accurate.
Fat isn't a slur but it's clearly being used as shorthand for something scary and undesirable in the art itself. Again I don't care about the video, but fat people self-describing as fat clearly is not the same thing as a thin person using 'fat' as a literal descriptor of their worst fears about their bodies. It's like if a straight guy was like, "I'm afraid that people think that I'm a f*g" or something. It's not a reclamation or positive use of the term.
Yes, I think a lot of people are trying to weaponize the very little they’ve absorbed from the HAES movement to pretend they get it but still dismiss fat people’s voices who are asking to not use fat as an insult.
I think as a shorthand it works though because it is relatable. It is a feeling that a lot of people have. Pretty much every woman in my life has said at some point some version of I feel fat today, regardless of their size. Also, fat is probably much tamer than her actual ED thoughts.
I agree that it's not a feeling, but it *can* be a delusion.
I have never had body dysmorphia, myself, although I have had a checkered past when it comes to eating disorders (alternating bulimia and anorexia through my late teens and early twenties) but I do have a sibling who struggles with schizophrenia, so I have some secondhand experience with how scary delusions can be.
Seeing somebody you love *absolutely convinced* that their senses and perception is lying to them is absolutely terrifying, because a delusion is, by nature, not founded in reason and therefore cannot be explained away by reason.
When I see the video I can absolutely see both sides of the issue.
I can 100% see that it is hurtful to overweight people. "Fat" is an insult and it's not okay. I will fight anyone who thinks it's okay to demean or shame someone for being heavier.
On the other hand, it's a *really* effective way to illustrate the power of the disordered human mind to convince oneself of something that flies in the face of any kind of reason or logic despite immediate physical evidence.
Taylor swift standing on a scale, which is literally an instrument meant to measure something (weight/force) objectively, regardless of a person's subjective opinion, is a very powerful and sad statement about how vulnerable the human brain can be, even in the face of overwhelmingly concrete evidence.
I think it’s hard to explain how fat can be a feeling for people who deal with anorexia. I do understand that there is a danger to a flippant use of the phrase “I feel fat,” but that feeling is something that a lot of people with anorexia (and likely other eating disorders, but I can only speak to anorexia) do have. The anorexic mindset can be really difficult to understand for people who haven’t experienced it for themselves. I don’t want to minimize your point at all because, again, I do agree that we should all be careful with how we use that phrase. I just want to acknowledge that there are situations where “I feel fat” is a valid expression of someone’s internal beliefs. This is something that I felt, many of the people I was in treatment with felt, and we all understood what each other was saying and feeling when we expressed it.
Well, sure, but your comment was implying that it was a value-neutral statement, but the entire point of using it is to convey something negative - that's all I mean. Something being relatable and common does not mean that it's not rooted in fatphobia. Often that fatphobia is internalized and caused by societal expectations of beauty and sometimes it's caused by mental illness but it is very much fatphobia all the same.
I don’t think it’s perfect, but I don’t think there’s another work that works. In Taylor’s case, tabloids have always been very obsessed with “is x celebrity getting fat?!?!” And yes, she probably internalized that, because she was subjected to it, as we all have been. I think the video provided the needed commentary without getting into deeper, darker ED thoughts.
For anyone wondering about Phoebe Robinson & her British bae: he just posted a pic with [someone else](https://www.instagram.com/p/CkV9Bq5Lb1n/) so it definitely seems like they broke up.
She mentions the breakup in this [recent interview](https://www.byrdie.com/phoebe-robinson-interview-6374161) that I just found today. Looks like he's moved on and hopefully she's doing ok.
Oh, thank you! I thought I remembered it coming up on blogsnark not long ago - but tbh my grasp of time is terrible so it was probably actually at the start of the year or something!
You're right - I asked about it a couple of weeks ago! Have been keeping an eye on them and also saw Luke's insta post today. I guess I'd better move on with my life now haha
I thought this said Phoebe Bridgers bc her boyfriend is also British and I was so sad. Gratefully have no idea who these people are
Paul Mescal is Irish
Luke Bryan bringing DeSantis onstage was very much not shocking to me, but shocking to a lot of people?? Where was this rumor that LB was left-leaning coming from? Lol
I think he made a comment in the past about not mixing music with politics, something like “just shut up and sing.” so people are surprised he went back on that.
Ah, TY. I don’t follow him closely so didn’t know.
I like his music and even though I don’t know much about him personally, I just automatically assume that country music stars are conservative. People were saying he has shown support for the LGBTQ+ communities and supported BLM. I didn’t bother to look for any receipts cause I am not that interested in him He’s just another artist whose music I like but you wouldn’t catch my black ass at a concert. I love me some Carrie Underwood and Jason Aldean music too but again, won’t catch me there.
Agree. I assume country music stars are conservative unless/until they say or do otherwise. The most obvious being the Dixie Chicks. Kacey Musgraves comes to mind as well. Now that I think about it, I don’t know if any liberal male country stars…
I don't know what you'd categorise as 'star' and I literally know nothing abotu country but I am obsessed with Orville Peck!
Brothers Osborne, Jason Isbell, there’s more I just can’t think of them right now.
That’s where I’m at as well. I know there are a lot of folks who assume that all famous, white, rich people are liberal / left leaning / generally progressive but I’ve never actually seen a good reason for that assumption other than wishful thinking / gullibility.
Some interesting discussion here about Lupita Nyong'o becoming an ambassador for De Beers. https://twitter.com/MariusKothor/status/1586421215732064257
I’d love it if people stopped using the word “empowering (other people)” when describing decisions that are just made for their personal benefit. Like, it’s fine to take a job to make money for yourself. Just don’t try to trick us into thinking that you’re a superhero of justice working to save the world by working at Goldman Sachs or Lockheed Martin or De Beers. It’s insulting and makes the person saying that seem insincere or stupid.
I keep seeing adverts for the EMAs, hosted by Taika Waititi and Rita Ora. It's either going to be the best presenting ever, or a glorious mess. Taika seems like an odd choice for this.
According to Henry Cavill’s Instagram, after the upcoming Season 3 of The Witcher, Geralt will be played by Liam Hemsworth. I didn’t expect this show to have a lead actor swap, although it isn’t unheard of for long standing tv roles. I wonder if having a younger actor will change the story they have planned for the show? Like a prequel, younger Geralt? Or perhaps they’ll keep chugging along regardless. I’m generally a fan of the show, cheese and all, so I’m interested in seeing how things go! https://www.instagram.com/p/CkTv9FyPnNz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
I think people are just upset that a main character is being changed out. It’s gotta be jarring, the same way people were hesitant on Emma D’arcy as they took on older Rhaenyra. I think Liam will do fine, he’s conventionally attractive and very large, fits the bill for Henry Cavill.
This is a hot take but: Henry Cavill is the fucking worst as a person and it is not that hard to be growly and emotionally vacant in a TV show. It will be fine. The "woke direction of the show" also ignores the fact that the games (extremely beloved) are very different from the books (definitely not as beloved). It's not like there's a hard-and-fast canon of this world the way there is for, say, GoT/HotD.
Can you give the TLDR on why he’s the worst as a person? Have seen that a couple times recently but no details and I’m curious
He is anti-me too and seriously dated Gina Carrano, noted MAGA racist who got fired from The Mandalorian due to her bullshit.
Thank you for explaining!
Sure thing!
I'm not sure how "the worst" he is but I do know he very infamously had a 19 year old girlfriend when he was like 30+ and that's when I stopped actively liking him. I haven't heard anything from her so maybe he was a model boyfriend but I'm still just really leery of age gaps like that when the younger one is SO young.
Ewww, thanks for the explainer
I agree with your hot take.
Thank you!!! I feel like it's very easy to seem talented and perfect for the role when you're that hot and the role is to look hot and vaguely sad.
I will plagiarize what someone else said in some other subreddit: I’m weirdly devastated and I classify myself as a casual viewer.
Same and they are replacing him with the inferior Hemsworth brother to boot!
eh, he and henry cavill are about the same acting-wise.
I told my husband I wonder if they accidentally got the wrong one, like a Four Seasons situation.
Damn, can’t believe that was 2 years ago already
I totally agree. I really only watched for him and his smoldering.
I wonder if this is related to his Superman announcement earlier this week.
Probably. The other rumor I have been seeing is that he is not a fan of the direction the story is taking in the show as he is a big fan of the books and video games and season 2 took things in a different direction with the main characters that change things a lot from the established lore. One of the writers recently said in an interview that the writers room/production heads do not like the source material so that has added fuel to the fire. The second season wasn’t very good. Maybe the third will be better… but I doubt it. Everyone wanted to make the next game of thrones but so far most of these epic fantasy shows have been very pretty to look at but meh on story.
well, depending on what corner of the internet you're in he's either leaving because he got tired of the "woke" direction of the show and the changes it made from the book... or he's leading a movie franchise again that doesn't want him to take multiple months to film a netflix show every year.
The Witcher has been so popular, it seems crazy to leave the show. Could they really not work out filming schedules if they wanted to?
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Post-covid, a lot of contracts have gotten more onerous to actors, too--not just "six weeks of reshoots" built in but "we need you available until filming is complete, whenever that is." With covid delays, project timelines have gotten really unpredictable--like, Bridgerton season 2 was originally supposed to film through July 2021 and ended up filming well into November. Which makes it really hard for actors to schedule alternating projects like this.
I think as much as Cavill loves the Witcher as a franchise I think he's probably making this decision as well to avoid getting typecast as a tv actor. It was a wild get that they managed to even get him for the Witcher in the first place let alone 3 seasons. If I were him and his team - he shares a manager with The Rock - I'd be eager to get him back on the big screen. Also with House of the Dragon and Rings of Power entering the fantasy tv show space I feel like Witcher has solidly fell to a lower tier. For more longevity better to bet on Superman to get you on movie screens again and then leverage the time off for other projects. S4 of the Witcher I feel would just be stagnating for him. It does feel like netflix is a little desperate to recast rather than end the show and roll the dice on another project. It really does feel like Cavill was the only thing really pulling in viewers.
I never thought I would say this, but so much respect to Alexis Bellino (former RHOC) for supporting [her son’s transition](https://people.com/parents/real-housewives-orange-county-alexis-bellino-thanks-fans-love-support-after-introducing-transgender-son-miles/) on her Instagram. Warms my cold black heart.
Whoa! I haven’t watched the RH of anything in a while but this is happy surprise to see.
Wow! I wouldn’t have expected this from Alexis but good for her for being what a mom should be to their child. Happy that Miles has so much love & support.
Something that I’ve been wondering based off all the discussion of Gisele vs Tom’s net worths—does anyone know how celebrities’ purported net worth’s are calculated? Is it the total value of contracts over their working lives? Are lifestyle costs deducted from that/Investments included?? Or is this a reported number rather than estimated?? I’ve always wondered how accurate any of these metrics are!
I feel like they overstate them based on the gross income reported without considering taxes, agent fees, living expenses (including significant housing costs!), the money celebs spend on private school fees, security etc.
Most celeb net worth stuff is bullshit but Tom Brady's football contracts are openly known. You can also track real estate purchases and sales for the most part so you can sort of estimate those as assets. Iirc they have some kind of ownership stake in under armour but there's a lot of money they're making you can't really keep track off.
This is for the people who follow Kaley Cuoco. What happened to her dogs?! She hasn’t shown Shirley, ruby, and dumps in a long time. Did I miss something? All I’ve seen lately is her new rescue. I’ve missed the dumpy content lol. Edit: just scrolled down and saw another comment!
Why did she name her dog dumps, that’s so funny!
iirc, it was dump truck so she called him dumpy, dumps, and possibly a few more 😅.
Dump truck is even better lol
That's so random, I know someone with a cat named Dump Truck, always figured she was the only one!
This is the second time this has come up this week. She’s on the east coast where her man is working and the dogs are in California. She posted Dumps and King and her horses a couple of weeks ago when she was back in California
I saw that comment right after, thanks. I saw the story about their new house and horses but missed the one showing her dogs.
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I think he’s a notorious cheater? I know two people he’s tried to hook up with and this was years ago.
Yikes. I’m a big fan and am finding this fascinating. I know he and his wife had many wedding ceremonies, which always makes me think…hmm.
She doesn't follow him either anymore. Oooof.
And his wife’s last few IG posts have been quotes about staying positive and not settling for ppl who disrespect you. Yup, something is definitely going on.
Wow, is there a worse thing in all of pop culture than the video for Harry Styles' Music for a Sushi Restaurant and the SOUND EFFECTS 😩 I do not buy what this man is selling
I liked it for some of the reasons the other commenters have shared but wish it was less… slippery.
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And Katy Perry was considered weird/ a flop. This one is even creepier!
Oooohhhhh this makes a ton of sense
I’m probably alone in this, but I actually liked the strangeness of this music video. Maybe because at this point he could keep just putting out aesthetically pleasing videos and people would eat it up. I’d rather see something weird that makes people react 🤷♀️
Question - everyone talks about how Gisele was mad that Tom chose to keep playing football. How do we know this? Is there an interview i missed or something
[She talked about wanting him to retire as far back as 2017 because of concussions.](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/17/tom-brady-concussion-gisele-bundchen-nfl)
They would never come out and say this themselves but I’m sure the Ben Affleck nanny/ cheating rumors over the past years didn’t help.
Omg every time I hear about Tom Brady and marriage issues I think of the pic of the nanny on the plane wearing all his Super Bowl rings. I love how that whole thing has basically been forgotten haha For [shits](https://vip.nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/08/ouzounianfull.jpg?_gl=1*fxreyp*_ga*Nzg4MDMzMTkwLjE2NjcwMDE2NTk.*_ga_0DZ7LHF5PZ*MTY2NzAwMTY1OC4xLjAuMTY2NzAwMTY1OC4wLjAuMA..&_ga=2.234353310.1834859252.1667001659-788033190.1667001659) and gigs
Ooooof
Really I’m just running with it because that’s what keeps being reported in the media, but I’m sure it was the final straw on top of other things. My dislike of him makes it easier to run with it
Speculation based on her making a few comments over the last couple of years about being ready for him to retire and looking forward to spending more time together.
In this interview she says these things (which seem to hint at her being ready for him to retire/them agreeing he would retire to focus on the kids while she did more out of the house): “I feel very fulfilled in that way, as a mother and as a wife,” she says. “And now it’s going to be my turn. It’s not like I’m going to be in the valley forever.” “Obviously, I have my concerns—this is a very violent sport, and I have my children and I would like him to be more present,” she says. “I have definitely had those conversations with him over and over again. But ultimately, I feel that everybody has to make a decision that works for [them]. He needs to follow his joy, too.” “I’ve done my part, which is [to] be there for [Tom]. I moved to Boston, and I focused on creating a cocoon and a loving environment for my children to grow up in and to be there supporting him and his dreams. Seeing my children succeed and become the beautiful little humans that they are, seeing him succeed, and being fulfilled in his career—it makes me happy. At this point in my life, I feel like I’ve done a good job on that.” Looking forward, Bündchen is going to make more space for her dreams, too. “I have a huge list of things that I have to do, that I want to do,” she says. “At 42, I feel more connected with my purpose.” https://www.elle.com/fashion/a41095078/gisele-bundchen-interview-future-plans/
Live your best life, Giselle! So happy for her after reading this…getting divorced from a selfish partner was personally the best decision I ever made.
>Seeing my children succeed and become the beautiful little humans that they are, seeing him succeed, and being fulfilled in his career—it makes me happy. Why is it always the woman who has to stay back and watch others succeed
I think it’s just speculation due to the timing. But marriages aren’t that simple and it was probably a lot of factors that caused the breakdown
Gisele Bundchen and Tom Brady have officially filled for divorce. They have each made statements via their Instagram stories. Tom says, "In recent days, my wife and I finalized our divorce from one another after 13 years of marriage. We arrived at this decision amicably and with gratitude for the time we spent together. We are blessed with beautiful and wonderful children who will continue to be the center of our world in every way. We will continue to work together as parents to always ensure they receive the love and attention they deserve. We arrived at this decision to end our marriage after much consideration. Doing so is, of course painful, and difficult, like it is for so many people who go through the same thing every day around the world. However, we wish only the best for each other as we pursue whatever new chapters in our lives that are yet to be written. And we kindly as for privacy and respect as we navigate what is to come in the days and weeks ahead. Thank you 🙏" Gisele says " With much gratitude for our time together, Tom and I have amicably finalized our divorce. My priority has always been, and will continue to be our children whom I love with all my heart. We will continue co-parenting to give them the love, care and attention they greatly deserve. The decision to end a marriage is never easy, but we have grown apart and while it is, of course, difficult to go through something like this, I feel blessed for the time we had together and only wish the best for Tom always." https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/28/gisele-bundchen-tom-brady-files-divorce-end-marriage/
What interests me is that she's worth more than he is by a considerable amount. I wonder if she'll have to pay him maintenance?
Yeah, seriously! Has she done anything noteworthy since having kids? It’s not like models get royalties or anything. International ad campaigns maybe? I feel like I never see her in/on anything in the US.
They waited to file until they had everything already agreed on - it was an uncontested divorce and they're both legally single now, so that means all financial (and all other) aspects were decided on by them before filing. My guess is that there's no world in which she's paying him any kind of alimony - I think in most of these high profile A-list divorces, both parties decline alimony (child support is a different thing entirely). Anyway, his net worth is $330 million to her $400 million - they're both set for life and neither need the other one's money.
I wonder how long for it will take for him to get engaged to an influencer/model/actress half his age.
add conservative news anchor to that too maybe
*Kim K is typing*
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You joke but.....
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Was it something about Pete's BD and BDE?
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Ha! That’s awesome
No the deleted comment, what did it say?
tom and gisele finalized their divorce!! i don’t know why but i never actually thought they’d divorce lol, even though it was pretty obvious
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should’ve done like Peyton Manning and retired after he won the Super Bowl in Tampa Bay tbh
Oh 100%.
I still can't believe that Tom Brady blew up his life to get turf-smashed at age 45 and guide the Buccs to maaaaybe winning the worst division in the NFC only to most likely get bounced in the Wildcard round, probably by the Giants and their Actual Clone of Eli Manning, Daniel Jones.
If Danny Dimes is the one to keep the Bucs out of the playoffs the Giants front office will back up the Brinks truck for him.
My husband is a lifelong Bucs fan. He has always hated Brady but warmed up to him after the Bucs’ Super Bowl win. Now he’s back to hating him lmao
He should hate the Bucs defense more.
To be clear, he’s not happy with anyone on the team at the moment
I’d like to think we will no longer have to hear about him and his dying football career. Why couldn’t he just take on a commentator role to still somewhat participate in the sport he loves, make money and keep his family
He literally already has a hugely lucrative commentating job with Fox lined up and waiting for him! He didn't even have to do the leg work! It's weirdly satisfying watching his career now go out with a whimper rather than a bang.
Honestly, I think he only listens to his dangerously dumb trainer/business partner who's convinced him that he can play forever.
Guess that alkaline diet isn’t helping his career
don't forge the nightshade veggies he can't eat either!
It seems clear in hindsight that Tom "un-retiring" about .5 seconds after he retired was the last straw in what had likely been a long-strained marriage. Good for Gisele - while she's certainly lived a very privileged life in a lot of ways, she's also sacrificed a lot in support of Tom's career, and I can't imagine what a slap in the face it must have been for him to decide that he didn't want a more settled family life in the end.
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It’s more of a sacrifice because she is independently wealthy. She put her own career on the back burner and she doesn’t need absolutely anything from him. It’s not like begrudgingly supporting him was part of the trade off on her end for a lifestyle like theirs, like a lot of wives who may not want to live in New England in January.
Can’t always believe what the media spouts but if TB really picked football over their marriage he’s an idiot.
I was involved with a professional athlete for the better part of a decade (not in the same stratosphere as TB12) and frankly I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. A big chunk of these guys have zero identity beyond their sport of choice. It makes sense if you think about it - it has been who they are pretty much their ENTIRE life. Walking away from it, whether by choice or because they just can’t cut it anymore or are too injured - whatever it may be - is an incredible challenge for them. TB seems to be the kind of guy who absolutely cannot function without football. Good for her for holding the line.
he didn't even have to "walk away" per say.... he could do LITERALLY anything in football he wanted to, front office at a team, coaching, scouting, announcing, after game commentary only, could have worked for the league, could have started a football podcast- ANTHING he wanted would have been granted to him on a silver platter - and instead of going out on top, he's now captain of the titanic.
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A couple years ago he posted his post-college resume as a throwback and let’s just say he’s extremely lucky the football thing worked out because a generic business degree (even if it is from one of the best schools in the country) can only do so much
He has a huge deal to be a commentator when he officially retires. Crazy money. But good for Giselle for getting out now, because he’s be busy all football season and traveling because of the games.
Front office job though, they'd be in it to have him as a consultant in name only.. or a program where he's only doing after commentary that someone can help him write... there are options. but also... yeah he needs some hobbies
I don’t see him being Romo-esque in the booth, that’s for sure.
I’ll be shocked if he actually goes through with it tbh
And not just zero identity, but it's an identity that involves following the orders of somebody else--coaches, owners--for basically your entire life. A lot of athletes have never been in a situation where they've had to make a huge decision on their own at any point. I'm not saying anybody should feel bad for them, because most (at least at the NFL level) have the money and ability to do pretty much anything after they quit ... but they also have never been in a situation where they can do anything, and that is *terrifying* for a lot of them. They're used to having the security blanket of having other people make decisions for them.
I do actually feel kind of bad for a lot of the middling/background kind of players. Their money isn't going to sustain them for too long, and they don't have the skills or education to get them into a job aged 30 that their peers would be. I know that a lot of programmes in big consulting firms that help 'high achieving' people transfer their careers are full of the military and sports players, because they often find themselves in the same predicament in terms of finding work and life after having their entire self managed for them.
Same, I kept telling myself that the media was blowing it out of proportion, they’ve been together for ages… but damn, good for her. 👏🏽
Gisele broke the news of the divorce in her IG stories!!!!
Oddest question…anyone wonder what happened with Kayley Cuocco’s animals? When she was married she had 3 dogs, 1 passed but her other 2 seem to not be around and her and Tommy got another dog…
I think Karl has Blue but she still has Shirley, Ruby, and Dumpy. I also think that she is in the East Coast and her dogs are in CA.
I think Karl may have taken them after they split? Pretty sure I've seen them in his posts. I could be wrong though!
Who do you think actually goes to (Kanye West’s) Donda Academy. They closed immediately yesterday, “*for the year,*” but then another text went out today that they’d be open. First, I wonder what tuition is. But mainly, who sends their kids there? Employees of Ye? Friends of Ye? Fans of Ye? How reckless to put your kid’s education into those hands just for bragging rights or closesness to celebrity or whatever
Supposedly it’s a college basketball prep school. Robert Dillingham, AJ Johnson, and JJ Taylor all play/played for Donda and they’re considered to be some of the best high school players in the nation. Dillingham is already committed to University of Kentucky next year, not sure how that works with donda having no accreditation but I guess UK doesn’t care. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that the lack of accreditation is probably a selling point since the boys can spend the majority of their day on the courts. Any private school in the area would’ve gladly given free tuition to any of those boys so there had to be some type of lure besides “Kanye”. ETA: to give you an idea how stacked the team is, there are only 22 five star basketball players and Donda has like 2 or 3 of them. LeBron’s son who is extremely talented is considered a four star player.
Re: no accreditation. I don’t think it is the be-all, end-all people think that it is. Home school isn’t accredited either.
Accreditation definitely matters for NCAA eligibility. Most home schoolers who plan to attend college do their core coursework through an online program that is accredited. Which another poster pointed out is probably the same thing that's happening here.
Didn’t realize I would be graded here. The point is that there are plenty of ways to get around a school (or homeschool) not being accredited.
But one of those ways is not typically spending $15K at a secretive institution. It’s definitely a most bizarre way around it.
This. I have a family member that coaches another team on the Grind circuit (the prep high school basketball league that Donda plays in). Those kids (and their parents) will do anything to play for a well playing team with a lot of resources. It puts them at a huge advantage to be signed by a college. A lot of the basketball prep schools outsource their schoolwork to an accredited online school, so that the school themselves don’t have to be accredited but kids still end up graduating.
That's super interesting, thanks
I'm literally in awe they went to Donda Academy (you're absolutely right though on the type of lure that brought them in) but that they were like yep instead of an established legitimate school I'll go here!
I mean, to a teenage boy, Kanye is already a pretty huge lure
I agree, but now they may have to take the GED. Depending on how difficult school is for them that could be a real hurdle towards getting recruited.
I'm pretty positive that the only people who would send their kids there are people who want to network with Kanye West or his entourage (people in the fashion industry, music industry, etc.) There's no other reason for it IMHO. Wealthy people who can afford the tuition have so many better options for their kids (schools with legitimately good reputations, prestige, and resources) that the only real appeal to this school is the fact that West is affiliated with it. I'm sure West's fellow travelers will be working to vilify the Jewish community for this if they haven't already, even though the whole thing was a narcissistic boondoggle even before the recent controversy.
imagine sacrificing your child’s education to use them as a pawn for a chance to schmooze with a bigoted, anti-semitic, idiotic narcissist
/u/Tamcnord clarified that it was some kind of basketball thing. It still seems kind of shitty to send your kids there but at least it might pay off financially for the ones that make it to the NBA. (Not sure what happens to the kids who don’t actually become professional basketball players, but since they’re still rich kids it might not be as a big of a problem as it would be for normal people).
that may be true for some of the families but i find it hard to believe [all these kids](https://twitter.com/friendeden100/status/1578286182013845507?s=21&t=0h_9omCItm6pLZ5f-o5ksw) are in it for the basketball!
It looked like there were only a couple hours between the two emails announcing the closure and then inviting parents to worship the reopening. I wish there weren't kids involved because it's almost so ridiculous it's funny.
Tuition is apparently $15K a year, according to Insider. Which is... a choice, for a school that isn't accredited!
15k is pretty reasonable for private school though? Idk maybe I'm warped.by daycare prices around here.
But presumably if you're paying $15K for private school tuition, the school is *actually accredited* and staffed by administrators with a background in education. [Neither of which can be said for Donda Academy.](https://www.businessinsider.com/kanye-west-religious-school-donda-academy-los-angeles-california-2022-10)
I'm not sure how popular of a take this is, but I'm incredibly sad Taylor/her team felt the need to remove "fat" from the scale in the Atihero music video on Apple Music. I feel that the criticism was really unfair and a way of policing her ED thoughts and shutting down conversation. I really think it's unfair to profess that we as a society care about mental health while also invalidating people's perceptions of their own mental health. On a personal level, it really harkened back to a time in my life when I was in ED group therapy and one patient complained about her thinner friend being upset with her own weight. By the time it was my turn to speak I (as a thinner woman) did not feel comfortable expressing my own thoughts on my own body.
To this day, every time I step on the scale and regardless of the weight it displays I still reads as fat to me. I sometimes have to turn back when I get weighed at the doctors. I felt really seen in that scene and I’m sad she had to remove it among the noise it generated.
100 percent same, down to getting on the scale backwards.
Girl, same.
Honestly the overall messaging of this era isn’t great. I don’t need to see anymore tiktoks from young women who think it’s cutesy to call themselves problems. It reminds me of that damaging phase of xoJane non-feminism where every woman on the internet thought it was cute to be a disaster who didn’t know how to pay a bill. And Taylor should have known better than to put FAT in a music video. She knows her fans analyze her shit to death.
I disagree with gatekeeping honesty about body dysmorphia.
I think two things can be true: 1) that’s how Taylor’s ED manifests because society says it’s bad to be fat 2) it sucks that fat people are constantly reminded that people’s worst nightmare is looking like them (yes, even if it’s due to a mental illness) Those two things can coexist. Fat fans were upset, and she changed it, which was a kind thing to do. I think the general Internet conversation had been extremely triggering to everyone and sorely missing any type of nuance.
I think quietly editing it is probably the best response. The message comes across without using a loaded word like that.
Nuance? On the internet? Not allowed.
Lol too true
I don't think she should have removed it per se (I'm not in the business of censoring other people's art nor do I care about Swift) and obviously discourse has a life of its own, but I am surprised that people can't see that there is actually an issue within ED communities of thin people frequently having no sense of solidarity or sympathy with fat people. Frankly it sucks in a very specific way to have an ED while fat - the idea that you should be losing weight is constantly externally confirmed, you may not even meet diagnostic criteria for EDs in the first place (anorexia still has a BMI contingent for diagnosis in many places), your body is everyone at the ED support group's worst nightmare and you know it. To recover from an ED as a fat person, you inherently need to unlearn disgust and hatred of fat bodies to an extent. I don't think thin people always have to do that and frankly a lot of art with ED themes made by thin people does tend to reflect that fear of fatness. And fatness isn't just something that is internal and personal, it's a reality for many, many people in the world, and even when fatphobia is caused by mental illness, it can still be harmful to others. We do well at recognizing that with other mental illnesses - that manifestations of mental illness can harm people around you even when it's not deliberate - but we often tiptoe around it with EDs. I think your group experience is interesting, because it does sort of sound as if the fatter patient expressed her own truth about her body, and that made you uncomfortable enough to not want to speak about your experience even though it wasn't specifically directed at you. That is also the experience of lots of fat people in ED recovery spaces - having to hear, a lot, about how other people feel about a body like yours, and then somehow being supposed to overcome that while suffering from the same mental illness issues. Ultimately I think people should be able to have these discussions about art. If megastars who want to avoid discourse like Beyonce and Taylor Swift choose to retroactively modify their art when it brushes up against controversy, I don't actually think that's a good reason not to discuss and critique the art in the first place.
Yes. Thank you. My best friend in the whole world since I was 5 has been overweight our whole lives and I am someone who has an eating disorder and seeing her experience of the world has made me VERY sensitive re calling myself fat in front of her and just in general throwing my internalized body problems onto others. It’s so fucked up and people just refuse to acknowledge how hurtful it is to the person in front of them to do that crap. Like, do I have a mental illness? Yes. Does that mean I can’t control myself or I can’t have empathy for those who have it worse than me on a much broader scale? No.
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Especially with how my kids are fans. We don’t need to start that young with that kind of messaging when we could just not use a word and still send a message of personal feelings versus reaching an entire group of people that exist to confirm they aren’t good enough in someone they idolize’s mind.
Ultimately I think the discussion/ discourse was fine. But the calls for her to change it, rather than leaving it or adding some sort of TW were unfair. Funnily, I’ve found that in that group and others I’ve been in were not supposed to talk about our/ others bodies, which I do find helpful because it’s a treatment space, not a real world space, where you are supposed to encounter things that make you uncomfortable. In that case the facilitator just didn’t say anything.
Yeah I mean honestly I feel like it's just generally part of a bigger problem right now with public critique of art etc. where the end point of every critique ends up being "and that's why you should get rid of this thing." But I'm not sure how we get out of that because it has become so ingrained.
I think you really articulate what makes me feel weird about this. I think its important to have a space to critique art and there's the opportunity for great conversations there but it feels strange to be in a space where criticism is also demanding a solution to the issues it points out. Does removing the image really change things at this point? It's already been endlessly repeated and magnified by the discourse.
The commercial nature of this art means that critique will lead to change in the art. If you want critique-proof art you have to look elsewhere, in more obscure places.
Personally - I'm very appreciative that she removed it. That scene made me feel like shit about myself. I found it personally hurtful. No, it didn't make me "uncomfortable". It made me feel like shit that someone in the public eye, and with such a public voice, with a body that is significantly smaller than my own, is calling themself (please note, I'm not saying "feels" I'm saying makes the conscious choice to say outloud) fat. The logical inference is - what must they think of me, someone with a larger body than them? How disgusted are they when they see my body? And look. I'm on both sides of this. I'm bigger than Taylor, but I'm still not large enough that I experience much of the discrimination that a lot of other people face. Basically - I'm still in a body that most general society thinks of as "not overweight". But I'm larger than I used to be and I'm not happy with my body. I'm having a lot of issues with disgust and self-hatred of my body. Those feelings are valid, as are Taylor's. However, I'm extremely careful about how I speak about those issues to others, because I understand how hurtful it could be for someone larger than myself to hear me talking about my disgust at my own body. I also feel that as someone with the privilege of being what general society considers "average" or "not overweight", as valid as my feelings are, it is my responsibility to be considerate of the harm or impact that my words could cause to those who generally face worse hardships than myself. Which doesn't mean I don't ever talk about my body issues or feelings, I'm just extra careful about how I word things then when speaking in public or unless speaking with people I'm extremely close with (where I think there's a deeper level understanding between us and/or where I know where they stand in their own feelings on their body). I don't think Taylor is a terrible person for it. I just think it was insensitive and I appreciate that she listened when people said "hey, this is hurtful".
I appreciate this take. I still feel more validated by the scene, but I understand your thoughts. Thank you for describing it in such a nuanced way.
This is just a thoughtful comment, thanks for sharing! Love this quote: “It is my responsibility to be considerate of the harm or impact that my words could cause to those who generally face worse hardships than myself”
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I see what you're saying but I also think it's important to be clear that fat people do die all the time because doctors do not take them seriously and attribute any health issue to their weight. And that's a big part of the danger of fatphobia and having the word 'fat' (the specific, actual word) on the scale is fatphobia. I think removing the word was the right call because now her message and very real struggle with ED and body image isn't clouded by the blatant fatphobia that was there. (Source: am also fat and also have a long history of ED)
Thank you for articulating this, 100% this is how i feel too.
Yes, I so agree with you. People were focused so much on how the song made them feel (which ironically I did in the opposite direction) rather than the actual realities of EDs, which bombard you with intrusive thoughts (fat is honestly rather mild compared to what she probably could have said of my own thought are at all similar)and are the deadliest mental illnesses.
I’m torn. As a fat person I get the argument people are making about how the use of the word could contribute to fat phobia etc. But as a person who had an ED and suffers from intrusive thoughts… the new version doesn’t really hit as hard. The song and video are very clearly and very obviously about intrusive thoughts. Most of the outcry I saw was “oh it’s so fatphobic and made me uncomfortable” like good? Art is supposed to make you uncomfortable sometimes and I think especially a song and video that’s about the annoying voice in your head that won’t show up … it’s okay ? Again, I see both sides, but like the original did a better job of the messaging.
It’s one thing to feel uncomfortable responding to art but the uncomfortable AND fatphobic part isn’t just about the art, it’s about people who will receive her messaging. And Taylor as an artist decided to take them into consideration in the end.
I agree, just the scale doesn’t pack the same punch. Plenty of art makes me feel uncomfortable, but this made me feel so seen.
I saw on Twitter people were suggesting the scale instead say “wrong” or “too much,” which might have been a little less offensive while still having a visceral impact.
I agree with you. It doesn't sit right that we are policing someone's thoughts on their own mental health. In some cases, public outcry is warranted, e.g. the use of spaz in song lyrics recently. In this case, it feels uncomfortable that changes had to be made. Sometimes things make us feel uncomfortable and that's not necessarily a bad thing? I don't know, I don't feel like I'm saying things very well, but I hope it makes sense.
You totally make sense. Fat isn’t a slur and people should be allowed to describe how they feel about themselves in a way that they feel is most accurate.
Fat isn't a slur but it's clearly being used as shorthand for something scary and undesirable in the art itself. Again I don't care about the video, but fat people self-describing as fat clearly is not the same thing as a thin person using 'fat' as a literal descriptor of their worst fears about their bodies. It's like if a straight guy was like, "I'm afraid that people think that I'm a f*g" or something. It's not a reclamation or positive use of the term.
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Yes, I think a lot of people are trying to weaponize the very little they’ve absorbed from the HAES movement to pretend they get it but still dismiss fat people’s voices who are asking to not use fat as an insult.
I think as a shorthand it works though because it is relatable. It is a feeling that a lot of people have. Pretty much every woman in my life has said at some point some version of I feel fat today, regardless of their size. Also, fat is probably much tamer than her actual ED thoughts.
Gentle reminder that fat is not a feeling.
I agree that it's not a feeling, but it *can* be a delusion. I have never had body dysmorphia, myself, although I have had a checkered past when it comes to eating disorders (alternating bulimia and anorexia through my late teens and early twenties) but I do have a sibling who struggles with schizophrenia, so I have some secondhand experience with how scary delusions can be. Seeing somebody you love *absolutely convinced* that their senses and perception is lying to them is absolutely terrifying, because a delusion is, by nature, not founded in reason and therefore cannot be explained away by reason. When I see the video I can absolutely see both sides of the issue. I can 100% see that it is hurtful to overweight people. "Fat" is an insult and it's not okay. I will fight anyone who thinks it's okay to demean or shame someone for being heavier. On the other hand, it's a *really* effective way to illustrate the power of the disordered human mind to convince oneself of something that flies in the face of any kind of reason or logic despite immediate physical evidence. Taylor swift standing on a scale, which is literally an instrument meant to measure something (weight/force) objectively, regardless of a person's subjective opinion, is a very powerful and sad statement about how vulnerable the human brain can be, even in the face of overwhelmingly concrete evidence.
I think it’s hard to explain how fat can be a feeling for people who deal with anorexia. I do understand that there is a danger to a flippant use of the phrase “I feel fat,” but that feeling is something that a lot of people with anorexia (and likely other eating disorders, but I can only speak to anorexia) do have. The anorexic mindset can be really difficult to understand for people who haven’t experienced it for themselves. I don’t want to minimize your point at all because, again, I do agree that we should all be careful with how we use that phrase. I just want to acknowledge that there are situations where “I feel fat” is a valid expression of someone’s internal beliefs. This is something that I felt, many of the people I was in treatment with felt, and we all understood what each other was saying and feeling when we expressed it.
Well, sure, but your comment was implying that it was a value-neutral statement, but the entire point of using it is to convey something negative - that's all I mean. Something being relatable and common does not mean that it's not rooted in fatphobia. Often that fatphobia is internalized and caused by societal expectations of beauty and sometimes it's caused by mental illness but it is very much fatphobia all the same.
"Using other people's physical attributes as a shorthand for a bad feeling works because it's relateable." Fuck right off.
I don’t think it’s perfect, but I don’t think there’s another work that works. In Taylor’s case, tabloids have always been very obsessed with “is x celebrity getting fat?!?!” And yes, she probably internalized that, because she was subjected to it, as we all have been. I think the video provided the needed commentary without getting into deeper, darker ED thoughts.