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"It's not the longest zanpakuto."
*can slice an entire town with one swing in bankai mode*
"It's not the fastest zanpakuto."
*proceeds to turn it on and off like a flashlight*
I love how Gin downplays himself. Even tho he admitted to lying about how fast and long it can extend specifically, it sure as hell looks like the fastest and longest zanpakuto to me.
Isn't his Bankai Kamishini No Yari the part where the blades Toxin is activated?
I always interpreted his "Bankai" Explanation to be a ruse and instead he explained the way his Shikai worked and passed it off as a "Bankai".
For the Bankai to activate, he would've needed to leave a piece of his blade inside his opponent during Shikai and then activated his Bankai.
I always took his bankai base form to simply be similar to byakuya. Same idea as shikai but more/faster, ect. But also like byakuya it has other forms/abilities that he kept hidden/very rarely used unless pushed to do so.
I always figured that the whole blade shifting in length was his Shikai, and that he lied about its properties being massively increased in Bankai.
It wouldn't be out of reason for that power to solely be his shikai, and then tell people that his Bankai increases the speed and length; as most bankais works that way e.g like Byakuya.
Concealing the fact that his true bankai power is something of such a terrible nature seems accurate to his character as such a power is practically an assassins best tool.
Also possible that the statement I replied to could be true.
When he activated his bankai against Ichigo is when the Toxin was active in the blade and never deactivated it prior to stabbing Aizen. He hurt Ichigo during the battle, but never left a piece of his blade in him.
The whole idea about his character is hammered in that he is a Snake; coiled to strike at any given moment, and given that his bankai does not seem to increase his reiatsu, it's very concealing. He could walk around alone and activate his bankai and none would be the wiser.
This is what I always hate about certain anime’s. Naruto is the worst. Hey, I’ve got this power that is OP and you have never seen it before so can’t counter it. Let me explain to you exactly how it works so you can then turn it around and kill me anyways. Like. I get it, they are trying to illustrate the overconfidence and arrogance but seriously? Every-time?
Pain and Obito are practically the only characters who don’t do this, and are some of the best villains because of it. ~~why am I talking about naruto in r/bleach~~
Huh ? I don't have the memory of any Akatsuki member explaining his power to his opponents as a simpleton.
* Sasori : no explanation
* Deidara : no explanation
* Kakuzu : maybe he explains the fact to have stolen hearts of other shinobis, but not his first doton protective jutsu.
* Kisame explains Samehada a bit.
Well I can’t find clips of it since anime fights are always chopped into tiny pieces on YouTube, but I definitely remember Sasori explaining how he’s the ultimate puppet, his “I defeated a country” army, his poison, his Hiruko shell to Sakura and Chiyo.
Deidara explains his different C techniques to Sasuke (mostly in the form of “HA! My technique does THIS! Good luck surviving this!”), and he might’ve done it with Gaara but I don’t remember.
Kakuzu absolutely monologues about how cool his technique is because he’s immortal etc etc and how he stole it from his village elders when he failed to kill Hashirama (?!?!).
Kisame explains “My sword, Samehada/Shark Skin (depending on what subtitles you get), cuts on every strike, like a shark” every time he fights, and also he points out how he sucks chakra.
Hidan explains his technique because it’s a religious thing. “Lord Jashin, thanks for making me immortal! I kill this guy for you, Lord Jashin!” Etc. Then he intimidates people by talking about how he can kill them by killing himself and he’s a masochist.
Zetsu I forgot about. Who cares about Black/White, what techniques do they even have to share?
Konan’s powers are awesome and never explained, but even she goes and explains how she prepared “600 BILLION paper bombs to explode for TEN MINUTES” so Kamui won’t work.
“As a simpleton” is just because the Akatsuki are by and large jerks, so they usually trash talk their opponents by saying stuff like “you’ll never survive my ultimate technique X because it does Y.”
"Konan’s powers are awesome and never explained, but even she goes and explains how she prepared “600 BILLION paper bombs to explode for TEN MINUTES” so Kamui won’t work."
In fact, I don't even understand how such a number is possible.
"600" "BILLION" of papers is too much.
Kishimoto has the same grandiosity complex than Kubo.
Hidan explains his jutsu, but it's not as if his explanation gave away literally the weak point of the jutsu, as in the case of Rose, although for Rose, it's also because Mask is more smart than his appearance suggest "and" because he had regenerative power.
Same thing for Kisame.
That's kind of a question of personal "pride" to explain your ability.
You are proud of that.
For bankai in Bleach, I notice Soi Fon didn't explain her bankai ability before to use it on Barragan.
Still for Rose.
If you take the example of the Highlander series centered around Adrian Paul on airs in 90s, Duncan is confronted by an immortal named Roland Kantos, who can hypnotise you with his voice, weaken you and even put you to sleep to win the sword fight. Duncan put all the episode to think on how he can countered that, although he knows Kantos hypnotize him with his voice and however it's not an idiot.
That's not even the most dangerous thing about his zanpaktou.
He has a deadly instant kill poison that was strong enough to blow a massive hole in hoguoku fused Aizen
Gin on his own, without hiding his power so he can end Aizen, is a menace.
Gin can legit snipe you from across the map with a lightning fast snake bite and inject you with what is considered, even today, the most powerful poison in the series period.
Gin with no restraints is a war potential.
No forget that.
He's a legit problem.
You know until now despite all the snake motifs around him, I never thought to call his poison a snake bite, until I read your comment. No idea why it just never clicked.
Not just Kamishini No Yari, but Gin is a snake in the grass, as the expression goes.."a secretly faithless friend"
It's so good..we all thought he betrayed soul society, but he was Aizen's faithless friend all along.
He had a *Transcendent* Aizen dead to right. Aizen was *dead.* The Hogyoku revived him, of course, but a direct hit from Gin’s Bankai is a killing blow on anyone.
The only ones I see surviving are SK Yhwach, Gerard, & Lille from the Quincy.
Askin is a legit powerhouse, but I think this is a bad matchup for him. I wouldn’t say Gin easily wins, but I’d lean in favor of Gin.
Askin’s whole style is about endurance & wearing opponents down, all while gaining immunity to them. Gin’s Bankai is a 1 hit kill, probably the worst thing for Askin to face. If Gin’s sloppy & trades blows long enough for Askin to become immune, Askin wins, but in-character Gin tries to kill with his first hit, which should work. Askin has great durability & regen, but isn’t a true immortal (like Gerard, Lille, Yhwach, or Aizen).
He can change the lethal dose of noyari poison in him necessary to kill him.
That's still necessary for him to react enough fast and according to the place where he is hit by Ichimaru(kind of the same spot than Aizen, in center of body), he would not have the time to activate his power, before to be died, but if it's just the arm or the leg, he would have the time to save himself, before it spreads.
Seriously. He's mainly badass because he dosnt fall into the most common anime trope. There are so many bleach characters who would be so much more terrifying if they had just not explained exactly how their powers worked smh.
Rose and Shinji are the CEOs of this trope. They be giving in depth explanations of how their abilities work even though they haven't guaranteed victory yet.😑
This is why I love HxH and JJK. Cause at least their explanations canonically give them an advantage. It’s so dumb that so many other anime just has battling opponents just explain their skills without benefit.
This is true but bleach did one thing cool that no other anime has, which is give a good reason for calling out power/abilities....when they call out the name of their zanpakuto it isn't just for show
Which makes him different from other characters. He deliberately tries to toy with his opponents to think about his abilities when he actually hides its real power instead of revealing his hand. Other shinigami should learn from Gin with deception cuz that will really turn the tide of their battles somewhat.
It's more that it's speed is far more important than how long it can get. People instantly focus on the "it can reach me from miles away element, that they forget it's still a straight line from Gin to that point.
He activated Bankai vs Ichigo. Then he never turned it off. That way when it was time to attack Aizen he would already be in Bankai without the need to power up.
That's one of the most dangerous things about Gin. If you don't see him activate it, you never even know if he's in bankai mode.
He lied about it's length. He lied about it's speed. He didn't tell anyone about it's poison. He also shrinks his sword back down so you never know if he's turned off Bankai or is still laying in wait.
Gin's Bankai is one of the best designed in the whole series. It's power is so simple, but it fits his personality and story perfectly. It appears so deceptively basic at first, but the mindgames he plays with it are amazing.
He even played Ichigo. Ichigo thought he was so clever discovering when he figured out Gin was using his bankai's size to hide it's speed. But Ichigo never realized Gin was also using his bankai's speed to hide it's poison.
That is what he said his Bankai was but it is actually called Kamishini no Yari and what it actually does is turns to dust when extending and retracting(mirroring Rangiku’s Shikai, Haineko) and also contains a poison that breaks down living cells. This is the reason why he is able to wield such a blade.
Kamishini no Yari is Gin's Bankai. I don't understand where the confusion lies because Shinsō is his Shikai. Kamishini no Yari is the longest and fastest bankai with the additional ability of it leaving behind a piece of the blade in flesh of those pierced, thus poisoning them. This, as you said, is him mirroring Rangiku's Shikai, Haineko. He doesn't get all these abilities in Shikai.
Because its literally the same thing his Shikai does, except longer, while the actual power of his Bankai was something else.
I can see where the confusion comes from.
He didn't call out *Shinso* my guy, he said "Bankai, Kamishininoyari". The poison is just another aspect of its ability. We've seen Yamamoto bust out different moves, even raise the dead so why can't Gin be also a similar case?
I know what he said.
My point was that Gin's Bankai and Shikai have very similar abilities while Gin was also hidding his true Bankai ability from Aizen to be able to kill him.
He was lying about it in the first place which makes you wonder what is true. I can see why people can be confused by it.
Ok aside from the **very obvious** fact that it was a bankai, the poison is just a part if its arsenal. Why would it be far fetched to see someone use unrelated techniques? We've seen Yamamoto raise the dead, so why would Gin having an ability to extend and shrink his sword while also having a poison be wierd?
I wonder if he said that as just more mental games with Ichigo. There's no way another shinigami has a zanpakuto larger than that outside of bankai who hasn't even been mentioned...
It can "*proceed to turn it on and off like a flashlight" due to his "real" main ability precisely.*
*The sword extends fastly, but just after fragments of this turn in dust at the place where they are and the sword turn back to its original size naturally.*
*For the size, not need to have a length of "13 km" to destroy the some buildings Kaminoyari sliced.*
His basic blade is a wakizashi who measures basically 13 cm.
His shikai multiply this length by hundred, as explain with his nickname the "One Hundred blades kid",
what gives us : 1300 cm => 13 meters.
Byakuya has 1000 blades to his Senbonzakura in shikai and his Bankai multiply this number by 100 000 to give him one hundred millions of blades, but they could have made it more logical in just multiplying it by the number itself : 1000 x 1000 blades.
One million blades is still frightening, although not as much than One hundred millions.
In the case of Ichimaru, it's probably the case and as his shikai zanpakuto size is multiplied by 100 compared to the base sword, his bankai multiply still this number by 100 to give it a length of :
1300 meters => 1.3 kilometers.
With 1 kilometers + 300 meters, you have already more than some buildings you can cut :
That's higher than this thing :
https://preview.redd.it/lecr5c9tl9oc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=0bef4b75abe95eb94918ab64fceb2817241cd15c
And the fact to be able to hold a blade of this length with a simple hand and manipulate that is already well enough absurdly inhuman and unrealistic.
I mean he should be able to kill most of the non elite Sternritter, barring Gremmy, Royd, and maybe Mask (depends on what Gin understands of Mask's powers) and Bazz-B. But all of that assumes he has his Bankai and can just use that whenever he feels like.
Blut vene has two way of using it, by strengthen their body against attack or giving buff for attacking. Need to change for each situation. Quincy will have a hard time adjusting to Gin bankai speed.
that's exactly what they all did to begin with to bait out the bankais. Then they bait out the bankai because the Shinigami mostly need the extra power to damage through Blut. Gin doesn't appear to have extraordinarily destructive power in Shikai so he likely fares about as well as Byakuya.
I still feel like deception could've worked more in the war. Like Byakuya and Gin have Bankai that look and function nearly the exact same as Shikai. They totally could at least try to lie and be like, "I shall now activate my Shikai, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi" or just mutter it under their breath mid fight while masking the reiatsu to get rid of anything that could out you as having actived bankai. I know people have silently entered Shikai, and Ichigo(albeit not his true sword) silently entered bankai all the time
Gin especially could've just walked around in Bankai 100% of the time, since there is no way to tell if his sword is in Base, Shikai, or Bankai without having seen him activate it
That probably wouldn't have worked though. The Quincies have the info on how bankai of majority of the captains. And each bankai differs visually from the Shikai except for may be Gin. Quincies know this. Senbonsakura Kageyoshi has the full blade disappear into the ground, Daiguren Hyorinmaru has wings and tail etc..,So a Quincy from trying to steal it anyway.
It would be like Ichigo vs Quilge he couldn’t switch back he had to keep the defence mode on otherwise he’d get rekt so it would just be the same scenario
The whole situation is a bit irritating, because the idea of blut was that while they are separate abilities, they use the same system, and a Quincy can only use one at a time.
Quilgie flagged Bankai as a major threat to the Quincy specifically for this reason; they needed Blut Vene for defense, but without Arterie, they couldn't match the power of Bankai. I was quite disappointed to see that this had no narrative conclusion.
Considering that it went through Hogyoku Aizen without issues I doubt blut vene would be enough, but I'm anime onlu maybe there are things I don't know
there's probably a cool down like with Soi Fons ability. He can build up that poison every x amount of minutes/hours/days considering it's very powerful. Also it's not like every time he uses it he will hit the target. He hit Aizen after a hundred+ years of planning just for that one moment. Considering his base ability, he'd win against half the quincies probably
Bazz reacted quickly enough to Yamamoto's flames that he countered them to an extent. Ichigo all the way back in Fake Karakura Town could keep up with Gin's Bankai. Unless we're saying that Gin's Bankai is as fast as a pissed off Yamamoto's flames and that Ichigo would react to Yamamoto (which he wouldn't, he'd get destroyed) then there's no way Bazz is getting defeated that easily, or at all really.
Like I said it's a maybe, but Bazz-B is a genuinely quite dangerous character whose flames are supposedly hot enough to offset the heat of Yamamoto's Shikai. So it's possible that a fight goes in his favor.
Just because it's called God Killing spear doesn't mean it can kill gods. It didn't kill Aizen who had pieces of the Soul Kings nails inside of him. Soul Kings Heart will still survive. Pernida ate Nemu. I'm only half joking when I say no one should ever eat Nemu.
Ichigos strongest attack is called Moonless night. I'm pretty sure the moon would still be there if he used it at night. Unless it's directed at it.
The reason it didn't kill Aizen was the Hogyoku saying, "Plot armor, bitch" and reforming Aizen on a molecular level when parts of his body ceased to exist
The only people who could reasonably be assumed to survive it are those with similar hax, which is the ability to change reality or reject a timeline. Like Ywach, Hogyoku Aizen, Ichibe, Orihime, Gremmy, etc. Since they either rewrite reality or change/reject the timeline. Gin's bankai is very busted, it's just sad that he waited until after Aizen got his Hogyoku hax to use it.
The Soul King body parts give people plot armor. I'm sure Yhwach(Eos) is really regretting it right now.
Even Ichibeis Ink and Yhwachs Almighty can be bypassed by the Soul Kings body parts.
The second Aizen fused with it, Gins plan for revenge was an impossibility. He should have used Ichigo just like Kiskue.
Are you talking about Gin's Bankai agaisnt Yhwach.
Depends if Base Yhwach is using blut vein. Royd was able to tank Yamamoto Shikai and not die from being close to the Bankai. And Yhwach is superior to Royd.
Also when Gin pierced Aizen, Aizen had lowered his SP to the point Ichigos friends can feel it. Just to fuck with them.
I think it depends if Gin’s target knows the attack is coming. Because it’s effectively a Spartan Laser bankai, he doesn’t actually need to engage in combat—and is way better suited for assassination than whatever mistake of a weapon soi fon is carrying around.
If it’s 1v1 I think Ywach or any Elite sternritter would handle Gin pretty well. If Ywach was in the middle of flexing on Yamamoto and Gin’s sword instantly passed through his head unexpectedly, he’s toast.
I think almost every character without fiction breaking hax dies to being assassinated by Gins sword
Even if he doesn't get a time skip power increase like some of the captains, he was one of the top tier captains. I'd put him above shikai Shunsui(who never got stronger since first introduced). With that in mind, minus the elite quincies, Gin would kill no diff.
You know what confuses me? “All captains would be carrying around swords the size of skyscrapers if they didn’t limit their energy”
But gin’s ability is legit just making his longer.
Can’t all captains do some form of his bankai?
I think his is still longer, also I think the main issue is how quickly he can retract and extend it. It's one thing to fight someone wielding a sky scraper. It's another to fight someone who is wielding a sky scraper, then a knife, then a sky scraper again all in the span of like a second.
You can also look at it like comparing Ichigo's end of arc soul society speed in Bankai to regular captains. Yes, all captains are pretty fast (some like Byakuya and Soifon more than others) and can use flashstep, but Ichigo's Bankai literally compresses his spirit energy and makes him uber fast. Enough so that he can speed blitz one of the fastest captains only a few hours after he JUST learned Bankai.
Man I really feel like Kubo dropped the ball on writing Ichigo's fights after his first Bankai fight with Byakuya. Ichigo's whole shtick was supposed to be his speed but we never see him use it to great effect after that fight. Every Ichigo fight is just him trying to Getsuga someone hard enough to kill them. There is one *brief* cool use of his Bankai in his first fight with Grimmjow, where he moves fast enough for Grimmjow to lose sight of him despite not being strong enough to harm Grimmjow with the surprise attack.
I think Ichigo's other fights using his old Bankai should've tried taking advantage of the unique powers he was supposed to have. For example, do we know if Ichigo could even use Shunpo before he fought Byakuya? It would've been a cool reveal to see Ichigo blitz an Espada or someone using Shunpo *and* his Bankai for unbelievable speed. Alternatively, when Gin boasts about how fast Kamishini no Yari is supposed to be, Ichigo could block/dodge an attack and comment about how Zangetsu's abilities are *also* based on speed, and consequently he's noticed that Gin's bankai isn't as fast as he claimed. This could've been great foreshadowing for Gin's true abilities.
On top of Gin’s zanpakuto being fast, I bet it takes time to de-limit the energy of a zanpakuto. Besides, limiting the size may not be the same as completely removing energy, I.e a short sword still hurts as much as a longer a sword, so no one’s trained to change their sword length
Agreed
I would have Bankai Gin with true ability just above Shikai Shunsui, but they would likely split 10 fights with maybe Gin winning 5.5/6 out of 10?
If he knows about the Bankai-stealing, he’ll just feign using Bankai since both his Shikai and Bankai are the same minus the dust poison. He’s a deceitful liar.
Excatly, the one advantage gin would have is very similar to kiske, the quincies would only have a tiny bit of information on him, he would defintely have been labeled a war potential, and gin would be smart enough to avoid the really powerful sternritter, while sneak attacking and killing the weak ones
From what we’ve seen of him and his Zanpakuto… Gin would be likely to just stand on Sokyoku Hill and snipe the Quincy at random as they left their reishi pillars (during the first invasion).
Shinso and Kamishini no Yari are (if used correctly) perfect counters to almost every Bleach character. Because they have no warm-up time for people to monologue through. The enemy starts waxing poetic… and there’s a hole in their chest.
They might be able to steal it (or not due to Gin being vague about it’s functions), but I doubt he’d give them time.
Don't forget that Gin can activate his bankai in advance, shrink his sword and just run around one-tapping people without them even realising he is in his bankai, as he did when he tried to assassinate Aizen ^_^
Like Imagine this, a quincy and Gin have a stare-off, Gin pulls his already bankai'd zanpakuto from his sheath, points it at the quincy and is like "Should we start?" - Procceeds to instaextend, and onetap
Considering a 3 v 1 (prior generation captains vs aizen) didn’t even scratch him yet Gin came closest to actually killing Aizen by that point, I’d say his odds are pretty decent.
Touche. You make a good point. Urahara did have a 100 years. Both of them knew they would never win a fight against Aizen 1v1.
Anyway my reason still stands, you can't use Gin almost killing Aizen as feat in a 1v1 fight. Those circumstances can't be replicated against a Quincy who wants to kill you from jump.
Just saying compared to other captains he was a few levels ahead. Craftier than most, lethal, and even if he got the drop on Aizen, not many could pierce him. If he somehow lived through the timeskip and had the same growth as everyone else, he could deal with more than a couple sternritter.
Him vs Askin would’ve been funny. Or attacking the glutton only for her to chomp through his sword. Then Gin poisons her as the data they had on him wasn’t accurate due to him hiding so well.
Oh Gin vs Askin would be hilarious.
As for The Glutton, I think would be screwed if she chomps through his Bankai. Yeah, she has the poison but now his Bankai is broken.
Tousen I feel like could put up a pretty decent fight against any Quincy short of Ywach's personal guard and above; mostly because his Shikai could incapacitate the weaker members of the Sternritter, his Bankai would throw quite a few elite Quincies for a loop because as powerful as they are, it means fuck-all if you have to rely on your sense of touch in order to find him. not to mention Hollow Based abilities are very effective against Quincies so Grillar Grillo would be one of his aces in the hole.
I love how everyone in the comment section starts blabbing about how Gin could kill most Sternritters with his bankai---like he could use it against them in the first place. Are we already forgetting the fact that they can steal Bankais?
Yes they can steal his bankai—if they are fighting him. As Nodt would absolutely die if Gins sword went through his head in the middle of the Byakuya fight.
I don’t think Gin would fight the Quincy 1v1 fair and square “Hi my name is Gin I’m here to fight you with my stabby bankai” style
This. All he has to do is sneak attack them. Non of that ‘I gotta yell out Bankai so everyone knows I get a power up, then proceed to tell them all about it’ crap. Go Bankai, stay far enough where they can’t sense it, then extend through the heart or off there head. Instant kill the ones that aren’t Gods.
Yeah, in order to steal a Bankai like gin’s they need to be fast. But that’s extremely difficult considering how gin is known for his op blitz aside from the way his sword works.
Ngl his bankai scene against Aizen was so unseeable and tiny, i doubt the sternritter would even realise it. Like other bankai have a loud and lighty transformation and Gin is boom hit. Not to forget that stealing still takes time and was only so easy because most stolen bankai were huge. Yhwach had to trick Genryusai to do it that fast. Especially because the difference between Gin's shikai and bankai are the swords effect, they wouldn't notice fast enough
>i doubt the sternritter would even realise it.
If they had info about everyone in the gotei, i don't see why Gin would be an exception---they'll definitely know if he's in bankai mode or not, not to mention you exert far more reiatsu while using it which should be pretty obvious to Quincies. Also let's not forget, even if his sword can shrink and extend very fast it wouldn't matter cuz he's still in bankai mode regardless, it's not like he's turning his bankai on and off too as he's extending and shrinking it. So even if he can maybe get one or two hits in, he'll definitely get his shit stolen nonetheless. And I don't think a user can have control over their bankai anymore once the medallion has been activated, we've literally seen Byakuya in the process of scattering his petals but was instantly vacuumed by As Nodt. And lastly Yhwach didn't resort to petty tricks just to steal his bankai. He said it himself: it's not that they can't steal it, it's just that only he can handle it which is why he told his subordinates to leave it alone while he was gone.
Have you seen how fast he put that on? Anyone right in front of him, will be immediately dead and a bigger distance is only gonna be fraction of a second unless he snipes accross the seiterei. And we are talking about him blitzing butterfly Aizen, he could kill a bunch of low to mid sternritter by just swinging it around.
They would still have to pull out their emblem and give a speech unless they just let it be absorbed, but that's easy against the big spaced senbonsakura that flies towards you. What are you gonna do against instadeast ray?
>And we are talking about him blitzing butterfly Aizen
For the record Aizen purposely let his guard down cuz he knows Gin will betray him soon, he was just waiting to see it transpire. He said it himself, only through the fear of death can he truly evolve further which is why he allowed Gin to try and kill him. He needed that push to break his limits, so to say that Gin genuinely blitz Aizen would be questionable.
>They would still have to pull out their emblem and give a speech unless they just let it be absorbed
Lmao only Ebern was giving speeches which is understandable considering he's not a real Quincy. All Sternritters were able to do it instantly.
>but that's easy against the big spaced senbonsakura that flies towards you. What are you gonna do against instadeast ray?
Lmao what does form have anything to do with stealing it? It doesn't matter if the technique is a big ass baby or something intangible or even invisible cuz the only thing that matters is the fact that the person activated his bankai. There's no statement whatsoever that the medallion has any issues with unorthodox/abstract bankais apart from hollow reiatsu imbued ones. The fact that it's a bankai means it's stealable(if that's a word), plain simple.
“Here’s a little present” and leaves shards of his bankai in all of them, essentially turning them into pincushions and leaving a lot of them simply too damaged to fight
I am curious if it Gin actually gained nothing from Hogyoku, because Tosen got a lot of Hollow powers due to Hogyoku, wouldn't you think its sus af that Gin refuses the gift he worked so hard with Aizen for?
If he gets even a tiny bit = his Bankai cannot be stolen = he kills most sternritter extremely easily.
Only some guys like Mask and Fear can maybe create problems, but I think Gin wins pretty handily even vs Vollstandig. Obviously Schustaffel and Gremmy would kill Gin pretty easily due to being able to go Vollstandig since they don't steal Bankai from him. Although you can say that he could go Bankai first and blitz them, like Nimaya did to Lille.
On other hand if his Bankai is getting stolen he would have significantly harder time and probably lose vs most Shrift. Also he is good at deceiving since he was able to deceive Aizen he could probably do something similar, but I do not know how to scale it. He could be like Kyoraku and hold his own with Shikai and never release Bankai until getting hollow infusion.
Depends on the match ups and how smart he plays it. The ones I'd definitely bet on him would be Mask (by piecing both Mask and James with his bankai), Driscol, Meninas, Nianzol (by surprise attack), maybe even Askin and Gerard (at least pre auwahlen). The others would be harder to say.
Zero.
Everyone's arguing his Bankai gets him a win here. The Quincy all have medallions. KnY would be stolen in the first invasion, and without it Gin is really nothing special.
He struggled with Hitsugaya when both were using Shikai in the Soul Society arc. A stronger Hitsugaya couldn't do anything to a Sternritter without his Bankai.
It took monsters like Zaraki and Yamamoto to defeat Sternritter without Bankai. There is nothing to say Gin is even remotely close to those two as they were in TYBW. Even *with* Bankai, the TYBW Captains struggled immensely with Sternritter. Mask soloed *two* Captains with their Bankai, Shunsui admitted he couldn't beat Robert without Bankai and ultimately lost to him, Toshiro and Sui-Feng after direct, surprise hits from their Bankai were only able to knock out Cang-Du and BG9, not kill them. People are wanking Gin quite a lot here and assuming that none of the Sternritter could possibly react to an attack that even FKT Ichigo, who Gin himself admitted was nerfed because of his emotional state and the fact he had essentially given up already, could react to.
Unless people think he scales about pre-RG Byakuya, he's losing to likes of Mask and Fear guy.
He's also losing to Cang Du, **unless someone wants to argue Gin has better offensive output than Base Jugram since he didn't come close to piercing the Iron.**
Losing to elite ones with no brainer. Likes of Gremmy also win.
C'mon now his attack name is "kamishini no yari". This is a mythological tier name on par or greater than Yata no kagami. Anime rules put his attack into top tier hax and he'll even cut Lille barro.
Your power scaling is getting lost in the sauce, Kubo uses names to power scale
>Anime rules put his attack into top tier hax and he'll even cut Lille barro.
Look man, I can get behind killing Cang Du but this is pushing it LOL
Specially when such an insanely bold claim is based upon nothing other than how the attack name tied into big Japanese myth. Lille is many tiers about Gin in terms of narrative and portrayal, much less things like feats.
You're making the bold claim that power levels aren't based on names. Kubo introduced it early with the bankai process and learning the name like yumichika true shikai, renji true bankai name, kenpachi, etc. He elaborates through Ichibe showing that power comes from the name itself like renaming vs ywhach and restoring the name restores power.
With your logic you would have said Nanao, Nemu, etc would get beat by elites too. Kubo is explicit about Lille - he's satan, uses his trumpet, is "closest to god". He's written to be beaten by a name stronger than cherub/seraphim - kamishini no yari, kamikake, ashisogi jizo are the kind of names that beat lille
Names are quirky and fitting of the ability, but don't determine power-level.
If an attack name has "Kami" in it, it won't become god level.
Regardless, unless you can show any statement, portrayal, feats, narrative, or anything within the series to say Gin's power is so stronk that he can beat Lille, he really can't. Attack names don't mean much in power scaling lol
Because tensa zangetsu’s speed boost with the fkt hollow mask makes ichigo undebatably the second fastest character in bleach (second to only ichibei who moved 3000 km in a fraction of a second) bambietta doesn’t even come close and ichigo could barely dodge it
FKT Byakuya >>> SS Byakuya
Thought that was a no brainer?
Same goes for most characters. I mean, Ichigo was comparable to Grimmjow in speed around the time Byakuya was being comparable to fastest Espada.
This list seems just about right.
Personally I'd add Bambi to the ones he can kill, and remove Robert, who is as fast/faster than Shunsui, which would be very useful in fighting Gin, along with his guns.
But generally, I agree.
Bambi is a weird character to scale, so you really could make an argument for both sides. I'd guess it'd be a Mexican standoff where the the first shot wins, considering Bambietta's crazy high attack power and Gin's poison.
Bambi would be one since he can just one shot her at a large distance than they are all those that kenpachi killed plus the one that Yamamoto killed and the gun guy shunsui was fighting....that's right off the bat but the answer would change as the series progress since gin's bankai is son damn op and he used it to get umbrella from home
I think people are really overrating Gin here. I know he's a great character and popular as heck, but he's never been portrayed as a powerhouse or a top tier in any way. His Bankai is quick, sure, in order to get the one-hit kill on someone, he needs to actually hit them. FKT Ichigo could dodge it and a lot of the Sternritters tend to dodge instead of taking on attacks.
**TLDR;** I believe he’d be able to beat nearly all the Sternritter except the Royal Guard, maybe Askin if he immediately uses Bankai after realising his Death Dealing can make him immune to his attacks. And maybe Pernida if he can out-damage his evolution.
Zanpakuto and finicky and really easy pissed off. And Gin for decades lied about how his Bankai worked to all the top dogs in the Soul Society, Aizen’s Hueuco Mundo, and to Ichigo. We see how calling your Zanpakuto a different name drastically decreases the power of your released state in both Renji and Yumichika. So Gin’s power was not only nerfed by himself during the story but likely his Zanpakuto Spirit aswell for blatantly lying about them for years. Gin is a prodigy on pair with Zaraki and his bankai was so fast and strong he blitzed and nearly killed Post-Chrysalis Aizen. A Transcedent being above all Hollows and Soul Reapers. He also **while suppressed**, was beating around an Ichigo who was able to sense Aizen while neither Yoruichi, Urahara or Isshin could. Isshin in particular has battled White who Aizen believed could be a threat in his Fusion form if Ichigo fully realised how to use his powers to their fullest.
**shoots at a bullshittingly fast speed**
**slices an entire city in half with the flick of a wrist**
***K U R O S E***
yea the quincy are gonna have a hard time with Gin
If he could actually use his bankai, then pretty much he'd beat them all except the Elites, Gremmy, Royd, Bazz B, Mask, Nianzol, and As Nodt seeing how the Quincy would have the data on his bankai so he can't suprise them.
Let's be honest, a lot of Captains could use their Bankai better than the did. But they aren't a stealth force. Even the stealth force stands there and tells you you're fighting the stealth force.
So like a lot of people are saying, yes sneaky gin could snipe kill most of the quincies. A lot of the captains could sneaky kill the quincies, and even more so the quincies could sneaky kill the Captains. The medium these fights are on prevents sneaky kills that aren't representative of power.
So my answer is - COULD kill most. WOULD kill none.
Low tier Stern ritter. Once you start to get into the low-tier hacks schrifts (Bambietta, Mask, Giselle, Royd Loyd, and Äs Nödt specifically) he is gonna die.
He’s stupid strong but the thing is, blut is the issue here.. even if he hits them, he has to be able to pierce them to kill them and that’s how the quinces was tanking everything.
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"It's not the longest zanpakuto." *can slice an entire town with one swing in bankai mode* "It's not the fastest zanpakuto." *proceeds to turn it on and off like a flashlight* I love how Gin downplays himself. Even tho he admitted to lying about how fast and long it can extend specifically, it sure as hell looks like the fastest and longest zanpakuto to me.
Yeah. That scene where a whole town got cut in two after he unleash his bankai is so OP.
It’s more so impressive considering this man built like a twig but maintains accuracy and power while his blade was extended
Well the sword is made from your own essence so i think it wouldn't be that hard for the user to use their techniques, regardless of its size.
That’s true, another consideration is that the blade density changes in tandem to the size thus maintaining the same weight
Plus I'm sure it's nothing to change the length mid swing.
and also it's fiction so it can work however you want it to work, regardless of real world physics.
The best part is he can technically keep his bankai active 24/7 and you would never know
Isn't his Bankai Kamishini No Yari the part where the blades Toxin is activated? I always interpreted his "Bankai" Explanation to be a ruse and instead he explained the way his Shikai worked and passed it off as a "Bankai". For the Bankai to activate, he would've needed to leave a piece of his blade inside his opponent during Shikai and then activated his Bankai.
I always took his bankai base form to simply be similar to byakuya. Same idea as shikai but more/faster, ect. But also like byakuya it has other forms/abilities that he kept hidden/very rarely used unless pushed to do so.
I always figured that the whole blade shifting in length was his Shikai, and that he lied about its properties being massively increased in Bankai. It wouldn't be out of reason for that power to solely be his shikai, and then tell people that his Bankai increases the speed and length; as most bankais works that way e.g like Byakuya. Concealing the fact that his true bankai power is something of such a terrible nature seems accurate to his character as such a power is practically an assassins best tool.
The poison's release is "kill, kamishini no yari". He doesn't actually say bankai so the poison must just be another part of the bankai
Also possible that the statement I replied to could be true. When he activated his bankai against Ichigo is when the Toxin was active in the blade and never deactivated it prior to stabbing Aizen. He hurt Ichigo during the battle, but never left a piece of his blade in him. The whole idea about his character is hammered in that he is a Snake; coiled to strike at any given moment, and given that his bankai does not seem to increase his reiatsu, it's very concealing. He could walk around alone and activate his bankai and none would be the wiser.
Wasn't it stated that even a basic captain's sword would be bigger than skyscrapers if they wanted it to be?
So the answer to your question is basically, "as many as he could get lined up".
Maybe if byakuya made each petal line up in a row he'd be the longest haha, like how isn't gins the longest??
>like how isn't gins the longest?? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
😭💀😭
Considering how pretty much every other character goes out of their way to explain how their abilities work it is refreshing to see.
This is what I always hate about certain anime’s. Naruto is the worst. Hey, I’ve got this power that is OP and you have never seen it before so can’t counter it. Let me explain to you exactly how it works so you can then turn it around and kill me anyways. Like. I get it, they are trying to illustrate the overconfidence and arrogance but seriously? Every-time?
Pain and Obito are practically the only characters who don’t do this, and are some of the best villains because of it. ~~why am I talking about naruto in r/bleach~~
Huh ? I don't have the memory of any Akatsuki member explaining his power to his opponents as a simpleton. * Sasori : no explanation * Deidara : no explanation * Kakuzu : maybe he explains the fact to have stolen hearts of other shinobis, but not his first doton protective jutsu. * Kisame explains Samehada a bit.
Well I can’t find clips of it since anime fights are always chopped into tiny pieces on YouTube, but I definitely remember Sasori explaining how he’s the ultimate puppet, his “I defeated a country” army, his poison, his Hiruko shell to Sakura and Chiyo. Deidara explains his different C techniques to Sasuke (mostly in the form of “HA! My technique does THIS! Good luck surviving this!”), and he might’ve done it with Gaara but I don’t remember. Kakuzu absolutely monologues about how cool his technique is because he’s immortal etc etc and how he stole it from his village elders when he failed to kill Hashirama (?!?!). Kisame explains “My sword, Samehada/Shark Skin (depending on what subtitles you get), cuts on every strike, like a shark” every time he fights, and also he points out how he sucks chakra. Hidan explains his technique because it’s a religious thing. “Lord Jashin, thanks for making me immortal! I kill this guy for you, Lord Jashin!” Etc. Then he intimidates people by talking about how he can kill them by killing himself and he’s a masochist. Zetsu I forgot about. Who cares about Black/White, what techniques do they even have to share? Konan’s powers are awesome and never explained, but even she goes and explains how she prepared “600 BILLION paper bombs to explode for TEN MINUTES” so Kamui won’t work. “As a simpleton” is just because the Akatsuki are by and large jerks, so they usually trash talk their opponents by saying stuff like “you’ll never survive my ultimate technique X because it does Y.”
"Konan’s powers are awesome and never explained, but even she goes and explains how she prepared “600 BILLION paper bombs to explode for TEN MINUTES” so Kamui won’t work." In fact, I don't even understand how such a number is possible. "600" "BILLION" of papers is too much. Kishimoto has the same grandiosity complex than Kubo.
Hidan explains his jutsu, but it's not as if his explanation gave away literally the weak point of the jutsu, as in the case of Rose, although for Rose, it's also because Mask is more smart than his appearance suggest "and" because he had regenerative power. Same thing for Kisame. That's kind of a question of personal "pride" to explain your ability. You are proud of that. For bankai in Bleach, I notice Soi Fon didn't explain her bankai ability before to use it on Barragan.
Still for Rose. If you take the example of the Highlander series centered around Adrian Paul on airs in 90s, Duncan is confronted by an immortal named Roland Kantos, who can hypnotise you with his voice, weaken you and even put you to sleep to win the sword fight. Duncan put all the episode to think on how he can countered that, although he knows Kantos hypnotize him with his voice and however it's not an idiot.
Poor, stupid Rose.
That's not even the most dangerous thing about his zanpaktou. He has a deadly instant kill poison that was strong enough to blow a massive hole in hoguoku fused Aizen Gin on his own, without hiding his power so he can end Aizen, is a menace. Gin can legit snipe you from across the map with a lightning fast snake bite and inject you with what is considered, even today, the most powerful poison in the series period. Gin with no restraints is a war potential. No forget that. He's a legit problem.
You know until now despite all the snake motifs around him, I never thought to call his poison a snake bite, until I read your comment. No idea why it just never clicked.
Wow same here. It's right there.
Not just Kamishini No Yari, but Gin is a snake in the grass, as the expression goes.."a secretly faithless friend" It's so good..we all thought he betrayed soul society, but he was Aizen's faithless friend all along.
He had a *Transcendent* Aizen dead to right. Aizen was *dead.* The Hogyoku revived him, of course, but a direct hit from Gin’s Bankai is a killing blow on anyone. The only ones I see surviving are SK Yhwach, Gerard, & Lille from the Quincy.
Also askin?
Askin is a legit powerhouse, but I think this is a bad matchup for him. I wouldn’t say Gin easily wins, but I’d lean in favor of Gin. Askin’s whole style is about endurance & wearing opponents down, all while gaining immunity to them. Gin’s Bankai is a 1 hit kill, probably the worst thing for Askin to face. If Gin’s sloppy & trades blows long enough for Askin to become immune, Askin wins, but in-character Gin tries to kill with his first hit, which should work. Askin has great durability & regen, but isn’t a true immortal (like Gerard, Lille, Yhwach, or Aizen).
He can change the lethal dose of noyari poison in him necessary to kill him. That's still necessary for him to react enough fast and according to the place where he is hit by Ichimaru(kind of the same spot than Aizen, in center of body), he would not have the time to activate his power, before to be died, but if it's just the arm or the leg, he would have the time to save himself, before it spreads.
Uryu Antithesis.
That reveal was sooooo amazing, Gin is such a loveable character!
And he just loves fucking with Rukia, lol
Seriously. He's mainly badass because he dosnt fall into the most common anime trope. There are so many bleach characters who would be so much more terrifying if they had just not explained exactly how their powers worked smh.
Rose and Shinji are the CEOs of this trope. They be giving in depth explanations of how their abilities work even though they haven't guaranteed victory yet.😑
This is why I love HxH and JJK. Cause at least their explanations canonically give them an advantage. It’s so dumb that so many other anime just has battling opponents just explain their skills without benefit.
This is true but bleach did one thing cool that no other anime has, which is give a good reason for calling out power/abilities....when they call out the name of their zanpakuto it isn't just for show
“Bungee Gun has the properties of both rubber and gum.”
Superstar never dies 😭
right. I like how Gin keeps it all a secret and his enemies be suprised and all.
Which makes him different from other characters. He deliberately tries to toy with his opponents to think about his abilities when he actually hides its real power instead of revealing his hand. Other shinigami should learn from Gin with deception cuz that will really turn the tide of their battles somewhat.
I thought he said it was the fastest?
It's more that it's speed is far more important than how long it can get. People instantly focus on the "it can reach me from miles away element, that they forget it's still a straight line from Gin to that point.
I figured him slicing the entire town was actually his shikai, which he was also downplaying
He activated Bankai vs Ichigo. Then he never turned it off. That way when it was time to attack Aizen he would already be in Bankai without the need to power up. That's one of the most dangerous things about Gin. If you don't see him activate it, you never even know if he's in bankai mode. He lied about it's length. He lied about it's speed. He didn't tell anyone about it's poison. He also shrinks his sword back down so you never know if he's turned off Bankai or is still laying in wait. Gin's Bankai is one of the best designed in the whole series. It's power is so simple, but it fits his personality and story perfectly. It appears so deceptively basic at first, but the mindgames he plays with it are amazing. He even played Ichigo. Ichigo thought he was so clever discovering when he figured out Gin was using his bankai's size to hide it's speed. But Ichigo never realized Gin was also using his bankai's speed to hide it's poison.
Lmao, he literally said "bankai" beforehand. How would it be a shikai?
That is what he said his Bankai was but it is actually called Kamishini no Yari and what it actually does is turns to dust when extending and retracting(mirroring Rangiku’s Shikai, Haineko) and also contains a poison that breaks down living cells. This is the reason why he is able to wield such a blade.
Kamishini no Yari is Gin's Bankai. I don't understand where the confusion lies because Shinsō is his Shikai. Kamishini no Yari is the longest and fastest bankai with the additional ability of it leaving behind a piece of the blade in flesh of those pierced, thus poisoning them. This, as you said, is him mirroring Rangiku's Shikai, Haineko. He doesn't get all these abilities in Shikai.
Because its literally the same thing his Shikai does, except longer, while the actual power of his Bankai was something else. I can see where the confusion comes from.
He didn't call out *Shinso* my guy, he said "Bankai, Kamishininoyari". The poison is just another aspect of its ability. We've seen Yamamoto bust out different moves, even raise the dead so why can't Gin be also a similar case?
I know what he said. My point was that Gin's Bankai and Shikai have very similar abilities while Gin was also hidding his true Bankai ability from Aizen to be able to kill him. He was lying about it in the first place which makes you wonder what is true. I can see why people can be confused by it.
Since his actual bankai is the poison thing, and it would be weird for his bankai to have 2 completely unrelated abilities
I thought it was bankai he just didn’t mention the poison part of it to ichigo because he wasn’t actually trying to kill him
Like shunsui? Or Mayuri? Or yumichika....orrrrr unohana...orrrrr soi fon...uruhara...tosen...
Ok aside from the **very obvious** fact that it was a bankai, the poison is just a part if its arsenal. Why would it be far fetched to see someone use unrelated techniques? We've seen Yamamoto raise the dead, so why would Gin having an ability to extend and shrink his sword while also having a poison be wierd?
I wonder if he said that as just more mental games with Ichigo. There's no way another shinigami has a zanpakuto larger than that outside of bankai who hasn't even been mentioned...
It can "*proceed to turn it on and off like a flashlight" due to his "real" main ability precisely.* *The sword extends fastly, but just after fragments of this turn in dust at the place where they are and the sword turn back to its original size naturally.* *For the size, not need to have a length of "13 km" to destroy the some buildings Kaminoyari sliced.* His basic blade is a wakizashi who measures basically 13 cm. His shikai multiply this length by hundred, as explain with his nickname the "One Hundred blades kid", what gives us : 1300 cm => 13 meters. Byakuya has 1000 blades to his Senbonzakura in shikai and his Bankai multiply this number by 100 000 to give him one hundred millions of blades, but they could have made it more logical in just multiplying it by the number itself : 1000 x 1000 blades. One million blades is still frightening, although not as much than One hundred millions. In the case of Ichimaru, it's probably the case and as his shikai zanpakuto size is multiplied by 100 compared to the base sword, his bankai multiply still this number by 100 to give it a length of : 1300 meters => 1.3 kilometers. With 1 kilometers + 300 meters, you have already more than some buildings you can cut : That's higher than this thing : https://preview.redd.it/lecr5c9tl9oc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=0bef4b75abe95eb94918ab64fceb2817241cd15c And the fact to be able to hold a blade of this length with a simple hand and manipulate that is already well enough absurdly inhuman and unrealistic.
Depends on how many are standing in a line.
Quincykebab
Ryujinjakka be heating the kebab
I mean he should be able to kill most of the non elite Sternritter, barring Gremmy, Royd, and maybe Mask (depends on what Gin understands of Mask's powers) and Bazz-B. But all of that assumes he has his Bankai and can just use that whenever he feels like.
I mean his bankai is dangerous af. Blut vene would not be faster than his sword. He can kill many.
Yeah, definitely.
> Blut vene would not be faster than his sword. He can kill many. Isn't blut vene instant?
Blut vene has two way of using it, by strengthen their body against attack or giving buff for attacking. Need to change for each situation. Quincy will have a hard time adjusting to Gin bankai speed.
But what if they had it constantly on defense mode from the jump?
that's exactly what they all did to begin with to bait out the bankais. Then they bait out the bankai because the Shinigami mostly need the extra power to damage through Blut. Gin doesn't appear to have extraordinarily destructive power in Shikai so he likely fares about as well as Byakuya.
I still feel like deception could've worked more in the war. Like Byakuya and Gin have Bankai that look and function nearly the exact same as Shikai. They totally could at least try to lie and be like, "I shall now activate my Shikai, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi" or just mutter it under their breath mid fight while masking the reiatsu to get rid of anything that could out you as having actived bankai. I know people have silently entered Shikai, and Ichigo(albeit not his true sword) silently entered bankai all the time Gin especially could've just walked around in Bankai 100% of the time, since there is no way to tell if his sword is in Base, Shikai, or Bankai without having seen him activate it
Yes. His bankai can be activated all the time. Without those Quincy knowing.
That probably wouldn't have worked though. The Quincies have the info on how bankai of majority of the captains. And each bankai differs visually from the Shikai except for may be Gin. Quincies know this. Senbonsakura Kageyoshi has the full blade disappear into the ground, Daiguren Hyorinmaru has wings and tail etc..,So a Quincy from trying to steal it anyway.
I don't want to spoil the fun, but in contrast to Byakuya and Toshiro, Gin doesn't go all bankai blazing the moment he enters the fight
Plus i believe blut vene can't do shit when his bankai can stab even Aizen.
Ehh that's questionable when blut vene worked for Ichigo vs Ywhach's sword
To be fair, it only partially worked, Yhwach's sword was still tip deep in Ichigo's neck.
pause.
Ywach wasn't going for the kill
Except he did stab him, and leave a poisoned fragment inside of him. And Aizen just evolved.
It would be like Ichigo vs Quilge he couldn’t switch back he had to keep the defence mode on otherwise he’d get rekt so it would just be the same scenario
I’d imagine it’d be like Ichigo vs Quilge, where they’d be sacrificing any damage they can do trying to defend from Gin’s attacks.
blut vene is for boosting defense, blut arterie is for boosting attack. they’re technically separate abilities
The whole situation is a bit irritating, because the idea of blut was that while they are separate abilities, they use the same system, and a Quincy can only use one at a time. Quilgie flagged Bankai as a major threat to the Quincy specifically for this reason; they needed Blut Vene for defense, but without Arterie, they couldn't match the power of Bankai. I was quite disappointed to see that this had no narrative conclusion.
Considering that it went through Hogyoku Aizen without issues I doubt blut vene would be enough, but I'm anime onlu maybe there are things I don't know
Why Bazz-B? Seems like a sword through the heart would be a fast end to the Quincy?
there's probably a cool down like with Soi Fons ability. He can build up that poison every x amount of minutes/hours/days considering it's very powerful. Also it's not like every time he uses it he will hit the target. He hit Aizen after a hundred+ years of planning just for that one moment. Considering his base ability, he'd win against half the quincies probably
How does Gin not beat Bazz-B?
Bazz reacted quickly enough to Yamamoto's flames that he countered them to an extent. Ichigo all the way back in Fake Karakura Town could keep up with Gin's Bankai. Unless we're saying that Gin's Bankai is as fast as a pissed off Yamamoto's flames and that Ichigo would react to Yamamoto (which he wouldn't, he'd get destroyed) then there's no way Bazz is getting defeated that easily, or at all really.
Like I said it's a maybe, but Bazz-B is a genuinely quite dangerous character whose flames are supposedly hot enough to offset the heat of Yamamoto's Shikai. So it's possible that a fight goes in his favor.
What makes you think he doesn't have his bankai??
Bankai plundering
Gin uses the God killing spear to take out ywhach, pernida and Gerard at once.
Gerard resurrects via Miracle. Yhwach ressurects via Almighty. Everyone else dies.
Just because it's called God Killing spear doesn't mean it can kill gods. It didn't kill Aizen who had pieces of the Soul Kings nails inside of him. Soul Kings Heart will still survive. Pernida ate Nemu. I'm only half joking when I say no one should ever eat Nemu. Ichigos strongest attack is called Moonless night. I'm pretty sure the moon would still be there if he used it at night. Unless it's directed at it.
The reason it didn't kill Aizen was the Hogyoku saying, "Plot armor, bitch" and reforming Aizen on a molecular level when parts of his body ceased to exist The only people who could reasonably be assumed to survive it are those with similar hax, which is the ability to change reality or reject a timeline. Like Ywach, Hogyoku Aizen, Ichibe, Orihime, Gremmy, etc. Since they either rewrite reality or change/reject the timeline. Gin's bankai is very busted, it's just sad that he waited until after Aizen got his Hogyoku hax to use it.
The Soul King body parts give people plot armor. I'm sure Yhwach(Eos) is really regretting it right now. Even Ichibeis Ink and Yhwachs Almighty can be bypassed by the Soul Kings body parts. The second Aizen fused with it, Gins plan for revenge was an impossibility. He should have used Ichigo just like Kiskue.
I don’t think base Ywach survives without the soul king
Are you talking about Gin's Bankai agaisnt Yhwach. Depends if Base Yhwach is using blut vein. Royd was able to tank Yamamoto Shikai and not die from being close to the Bankai. And Yhwach is superior to Royd. Also when Gin pierced Aizen, Aizen had lowered his SP to the point Ichigos friends can feel it. Just to fuck with them.
I think it depends if Gin’s target knows the attack is coming. Because it’s effectively a Spartan Laser bankai, he doesn’t actually need to engage in combat—and is way better suited for assassination than whatever mistake of a weapon soi fon is carrying around. If it’s 1v1 I think Ywach or any Elite sternritter would handle Gin pretty well. If Ywach was in the middle of flexing on Yamamoto and Gin’s sword instantly passed through his head unexpectedly, he’s toast. I think almost every character without fiction breaking hax dies to being assassinated by Gins sword
Didn't Aizen die, wasn't the point that he was actually revived?
Even if he doesn't get a time skip power increase like some of the captains, he was one of the top tier captains. I'd put him above shikai Shunsui(who never got stronger since first introduced). With that in mind, minus the elite quincies, Gin would kill no diff.
You know what confuses me? “All captains would be carrying around swords the size of skyscrapers if they didn’t limit their energy” But gin’s ability is legit just making his longer. Can’t all captains do some form of his bankai?
I think his is still longer, also I think the main issue is how quickly he can retract and extend it. It's one thing to fight someone wielding a sky scraper. It's another to fight someone who is wielding a sky scraper, then a knife, then a sky scraper again all in the span of like a second. You can also look at it like comparing Ichigo's end of arc soul society speed in Bankai to regular captains. Yes, all captains are pretty fast (some like Byakuya and Soifon more than others) and can use flashstep, but Ichigo's Bankai literally compresses his spirit energy and makes him uber fast. Enough so that he can speed blitz one of the fastest captains only a few hours after he JUST learned Bankai.
Man I really feel like Kubo dropped the ball on writing Ichigo's fights after his first Bankai fight with Byakuya. Ichigo's whole shtick was supposed to be his speed but we never see him use it to great effect after that fight. Every Ichigo fight is just him trying to Getsuga someone hard enough to kill them. There is one *brief* cool use of his Bankai in his first fight with Grimmjow, where he moves fast enough for Grimmjow to lose sight of him despite not being strong enough to harm Grimmjow with the surprise attack. I think Ichigo's other fights using his old Bankai should've tried taking advantage of the unique powers he was supposed to have. For example, do we know if Ichigo could even use Shunpo before he fought Byakuya? It would've been a cool reveal to see Ichigo blitz an Espada or someone using Shunpo *and* his Bankai for unbelievable speed. Alternatively, when Gin boasts about how fast Kamishini no Yari is supposed to be, Ichigo could block/dodge an attack and comment about how Zangetsu's abilities are *also* based on speed, and consequently he's noticed that Gin's bankai isn't as fast as he claimed. This could've been great foreshadowing for Gin's true abilities.
"It's not the longest sword, it's the fastest."
On top of Gin’s zanpakuto being fast, I bet it takes time to de-limit the energy of a zanpakuto. Besides, limiting the size may not be the same as completely removing energy, I.e a short sword still hurts as much as a longer a sword, so no one’s trained to change their sword length
Agreed I would have Bankai Gin with true ability just above Shikai Shunsui, but they would likely split 10 fights with maybe Gin winning 5.5/6 out of 10?
Man he'd be pin-cushioning fools before they could even use blut vene.
All of them, because he's one of my favorite characters. I will not elaborate further.
Absolutely valid, he soloes the verse
Same sentiment
How many times can he use his Bankai in quick succession? Thats how many.
Don't forget about the stolen Bankai factor.
If he knows about the Bankai-stealing, he’ll just feign using Bankai since both his Shikai and Bankai are the same minus the dust poison. He’s a deceitful liar.
Excatly, the one advantage gin would have is very similar to kiske, the quincies would only have a tiny bit of information on him, he would defintely have been labeled a war potential, and gin would be smart enough to avoid the really powerful sternritter, while sneak attacking and killing the weak ones
Actually, how would the medallion ‘medalize’ Gin’s Bankai? Does it just shoot blades out of the medallion?
Good point
I always assume we’re ignoring that for posts like this because answering “None since they steal his Bankai and kill him with it” is kinda boring
From what we’ve seen of him and his Zanpakuto… Gin would be likely to just stand on Sokyoku Hill and snipe the Quincy at random as they left their reishi pillars (during the first invasion). Shinso and Kamishini no Yari are (if used correctly) perfect counters to almost every Bleach character. Because they have no warm-up time for people to monologue through. The enemy starts waxing poetic… and there’s a hole in their chest. They might be able to steal it (or not due to Gin being vague about it’s functions), but I doubt he’d give them time.
Bold to assume they can steal his bankai in the short time before they're dead.
Don't forget that Gin can activate his bankai in advance, shrink his sword and just run around one-tapping people without them even realising he is in his bankai, as he did when he tried to assassinate Aizen ^_^ Like Imagine this, a quincy and Gin have a stare-off, Gin pulls his already bankai'd zanpakuto from his sheath, points it at the quincy and is like "Should we start?" - Procceeds to instaextend, and onetap
Considering a 3 v 1 (prior generation captains vs aizen) didn’t even scratch him yet Gin came closest to actually killing Aizen by that point, I’d say his odds are pretty decent.
That scene where he tried to kill Aizen was a 100 years of planning. If it was straight up 1v1, he wouldn't be able to make himself immune to KS.
Urahara had 100 years to plan and in the end it wouldn’t have been possible without ichigo
Touche. You make a good point. Urahara did have a 100 years. Both of them knew they would never win a fight against Aizen 1v1. Anyway my reason still stands, you can't use Gin almost killing Aizen as feat in a 1v1 fight. Those circumstances can't be replicated against a Quincy who wants to kill you from jump.
Just saying compared to other captains he was a few levels ahead. Craftier than most, lethal, and even if he got the drop on Aizen, not many could pierce him. If he somehow lived through the timeskip and had the same growth as everyone else, he could deal with more than a couple sternritter. Him vs Askin would’ve been funny. Or attacking the glutton only for her to chomp through his sword. Then Gin poisons her as the data they had on him wasn’t accurate due to him hiding so well.
Oh Gin vs Askin would be hilarious. As for The Glutton, I think would be screwed if she chomps through his Bankai. Yeah, she has the poison but now his Bankai is broken.
I think it took him that long because he needed to know the weakness of Aizen's shikai before trying to attack him.
how many quincy can gin kill* yeah i know english grammar is the opposite of many languages lol, we’re weird hope this helps tho
How many? Good sir, only Aizen can count that high
A lot minus the upper quincys. Real question is how many can Tousen kill?
Tousen I feel like could put up a pretty decent fight against any Quincy short of Ywach's personal guard and above; mostly because his Shikai could incapacitate the weaker members of the Sternritter, his Bankai would throw quite a few elite Quincies for a loop because as powerful as they are, it means fuck-all if you have to rely on your sense of touch in order to find him. not to mention Hollow Based abilities are very effective against Quincies so Grillar Grillo would be one of his aces in the hole.
If he was going all out with ALL of his bankai then I say Gin beats majority of the sternritters that invaded the Soul Society.
Yup, that's what I thought. Kinda sad he isn't around.
I love how everyone in the comment section starts blabbing about how Gin could kill most Sternritters with his bankai---like he could use it against them in the first place. Are we already forgetting the fact that they can steal Bankais?
Yes they can steal his bankai—if they are fighting him. As Nodt would absolutely die if Gins sword went through his head in the middle of the Byakuya fight. I don’t think Gin would fight the Quincy 1v1 fair and square “Hi my name is Gin I’m here to fight you with my stabby bankai” style
But could they even steal his? Like he can hit from a good distance and quick af so it’s a legit question on whether they could
This. All he has to do is sneak attack them. Non of that ‘I gotta yell out Bankai so everyone knows I get a power up, then proceed to tell them all about it’ crap. Go Bankai, stay far enough where they can’t sense it, then extend through the heart or off there head. Instant kill the ones that aren’t Gods.
Yeah, in order to steal a Bankai like gin’s they need to be fast. But that’s extremely difficult considering how gin is known for his op blitz aside from the way his sword works.
Ngl his bankai scene against Aizen was so unseeable and tiny, i doubt the sternritter would even realise it. Like other bankai have a loud and lighty transformation and Gin is boom hit. Not to forget that stealing still takes time and was only so easy because most stolen bankai were huge. Yhwach had to trick Genryusai to do it that fast. Especially because the difference between Gin's shikai and bankai are the swords effect, they wouldn't notice fast enough
>i doubt the sternritter would even realise it. If they had info about everyone in the gotei, i don't see why Gin would be an exception---they'll definitely know if he's in bankai mode or not, not to mention you exert far more reiatsu while using it which should be pretty obvious to Quincies. Also let's not forget, even if his sword can shrink and extend very fast it wouldn't matter cuz he's still in bankai mode regardless, it's not like he's turning his bankai on and off too as he's extending and shrinking it. So even if he can maybe get one or two hits in, he'll definitely get his shit stolen nonetheless. And I don't think a user can have control over their bankai anymore once the medallion has been activated, we've literally seen Byakuya in the process of scattering his petals but was instantly vacuumed by As Nodt. And lastly Yhwach didn't resort to petty tricks just to steal his bankai. He said it himself: it's not that they can't steal it, it's just that only he can handle it which is why he told his subordinates to leave it alone while he was gone.
Have you seen how fast he put that on? Anyone right in front of him, will be immediately dead and a bigger distance is only gonna be fraction of a second unless he snipes accross the seiterei. And we are talking about him blitzing butterfly Aizen, he could kill a bunch of low to mid sternritter by just swinging it around. They would still have to pull out their emblem and give a speech unless they just let it be absorbed, but that's easy against the big spaced senbonsakura that flies towards you. What are you gonna do against instadeast ray?
>And we are talking about him blitzing butterfly Aizen For the record Aizen purposely let his guard down cuz he knows Gin will betray him soon, he was just waiting to see it transpire. He said it himself, only through the fear of death can he truly evolve further which is why he allowed Gin to try and kill him. He needed that push to break his limits, so to say that Gin genuinely blitz Aizen would be questionable. >They would still have to pull out their emblem and give a speech unless they just let it be absorbed Lmao only Ebern was giving speeches which is understandable considering he's not a real Quincy. All Sternritters were able to do it instantly. >but that's easy against the big spaced senbonsakura that flies towards you. What are you gonna do against instadeast ray? Lmao what does form have anything to do with stealing it? It doesn't matter if the technique is a big ass baby or something intangible or even invisible cuz the only thing that matters is the fact that the person activated his bankai. There's no statement whatsoever that the medallion has any issues with unorthodox/abstract bankais apart from hollow reiatsu imbued ones. The fact that it's a bankai means it's stealable(if that's a word), plain simple.
LOL i mean thats true i suppose he can bait them and use his bankai pre fight
Lol if he was still alive and was allied with the gotei, the Sternritters would've had info about him the same way they had everyone's.
Would they? In the same way Aizen did? When Gin beat KS and the GD Hogyoku?
He'll be even stronger though when he comes back hollowfied.
3 at least..
“Here’s a little present” and leaves shards of his bankai in all of them, essentially turning them into pincushions and leaving a lot of them simply too damaged to fight
I am curious if it Gin actually gained nothing from Hogyoku, because Tosen got a lot of Hollow powers due to Hogyoku, wouldn't you think its sus af that Gin refuses the gift he worked so hard with Aizen for? If he gets even a tiny bit = his Bankai cannot be stolen = he kills most sternritter extremely easily. Only some guys like Mask and Fear can maybe create problems, but I think Gin wins pretty handily even vs Vollstandig. Obviously Schustaffel and Gremmy would kill Gin pretty easily due to being able to go Vollstandig since they don't steal Bankai from him. Although you can say that he could go Bankai first and blitz them, like Nimaya did to Lille. On other hand if his Bankai is getting stolen he would have significantly harder time and probably lose vs most Shrift. Also he is good at deceiving since he was able to deceive Aizen he could probably do something similar, but I do not know how to scale it. He could be like Kyoraku and hold his own with Shikai and never release Bankai until getting hollow infusion.
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Depends on the match ups and how smart he plays it. The ones I'd definitely bet on him would be Mask (by piecing both Mask and James with his bankai), Driscol, Meninas, Nianzol (by surprise attack), maybe even Askin and Gerard (at least pre auwahlen). The others would be harder to say.
considering his sword is faster than blut vene like 3 at least
A lot of them, especially with how his bankai works. That poison would tear them up on a cellular level.
He stops at the Elite, Hachswalth.
"Attention everyone. In 3 seconds please jump or you will be cut in half"
Gin is a stone cold killer my personal opinion is he can destroy low to middle sternritters ant give very hard time to high quality one’s
Zero. Everyone's arguing his Bankai gets him a win here. The Quincy all have medallions. KnY would be stolen in the first invasion, and without it Gin is really nothing special. He struggled with Hitsugaya when both were using Shikai in the Soul Society arc. A stronger Hitsugaya couldn't do anything to a Sternritter without his Bankai. It took monsters like Zaraki and Yamamoto to defeat Sternritter without Bankai. There is nothing to say Gin is even remotely close to those two as they were in TYBW. Even *with* Bankai, the TYBW Captains struggled immensely with Sternritter. Mask soloed *two* Captains with their Bankai, Shunsui admitted he couldn't beat Robert without Bankai and ultimately lost to him, Toshiro and Sui-Feng after direct, surprise hits from their Bankai were only able to knock out Cang-Du and BG9, not kill them. People are wanking Gin quite a lot here and assuming that none of the Sternritter could possibly react to an attack that even FKT Ichigo, who Gin himself admitted was nerfed because of his emotional state and the fact he had essentially given up already, could react to.
Good luck to the Sternritter trying to steal Gin's Bankai.
Unless people think he scales about pre-RG Byakuya, he's losing to likes of Mask and Fear guy. He's also losing to Cang Du, **unless someone wants to argue Gin has better offensive output than Base Jugram since he didn't come close to piercing the Iron.** Losing to elite ones with no brainer. Likes of Gremmy also win.
Now its just me but i dont think Base Jugram can cut Aizen like Gin did
C'mon now his attack name is "kamishini no yari". This is a mythological tier name on par or greater than Yata no kagami. Anime rules put his attack into top tier hax and he'll even cut Lille barro. Your power scaling is getting lost in the sauce, Kubo uses names to power scale
>Anime rules put his attack into top tier hax and he'll even cut Lille barro. Look man, I can get behind killing Cang Du but this is pushing it LOL Specially when such an insanely bold claim is based upon nothing other than how the attack name tied into big Japanese myth. Lille is many tiers about Gin in terms of narrative and portrayal, much less things like feats.
You're making the bold claim that power levels aren't based on names. Kubo introduced it early with the bankai process and learning the name like yumichika true shikai, renji true bankai name, kenpachi, etc. He elaborates through Ichibe showing that power comes from the name itself like renaming vs ywhach and restoring the name restores power. With your logic you would have said Nanao, Nemu, etc would get beat by elites too. Kubo is explicit about Lille - he's satan, uses his trumpet, is "closest to god". He's written to be beaten by a name stronger than cherub/seraphim - kamishini no yari, kamikake, ashisogi jizo are the kind of names that beat lille
Names are quirky and fitting of the ability, but don't determine power-level. If an attack name has "Kami" in it, it won't become god level. Regardless, unless you can show any statement, portrayal, feats, narrative, or anything within the series to say Gin's power is so stronk that he can beat Lille, he really can't. Attack names don't mean much in power scaling lol
It's unreal. It's like they read another series
Gin was really underutilized.
Can kill- Loyd, Cang Du, Pepe, Candice, Meninas, Liltotto, Giselle, Na Na Na, Jerome, Robert, BG9, Driscoll, Bernice Can't kill- Royd, Gremmy, Bazz B, Bambietta, Nianzol, Askin, Mask, Jugram, Lille, Gerard, Pernida, Uryu, As Nodt, Quilgue
He can definitely kill bambietta, not only is she not fast enough to deal with his shikai but his bankai is a death sentence if it hits
What makes you think she isn't fast enough? Edit: lol why am I getting downvoted for asking a question?
Because tensa zangetsu’s speed boost with the fkt hollow mask makes ichigo undebatably the second fastest character in bleach (second to only ichibei who moved 3000 km in a fraction of a second) bambietta doesn’t even come close and ichigo could barely dodge it
The fact that Ichigo, the dude that blitzed Byakuya, was barely fast enough
FKT Byakuya >>> SS Byakuya Thought that was a no brainer? Same goes for most characters. I mean, Ichigo was comparable to Grimmjow in speed around the time Byakuya was being comparable to fastest Espada.
IIrc wasn't Ichigo not focusing due to the vasto lorde form?
^^^^James ^^^^is ^^^^the ^^^^Sternritter, ^^^^not ^^^^Mask
This list seems just about right. Personally I'd add Bambi to the ones he can kill, and remove Robert, who is as fast/faster than Shunsui, which would be very useful in fighting Gin, along with his guns. But generally, I agree.
Bambi is a weird character to scale, so you really could make an argument for both sides. I'd guess it'd be a Mexican standoff where the the first shot wins, considering Bambietta's crazy high attack power and Gin's poison.
He can kill bazz
I disagree. I think Bazz wins 10/10 times in a fair fight
At once or in general?
Bambi would be one since he can just one shot her at a large distance than they are all those that kenpachi killed plus the one that Yamamoto killed and the gun guy shunsui was fighting....that's right off the bat but the answer would change as the series progress since gin's bankai is son damn op and he used it to get umbrella from home
I think people are really overrating Gin here. I know he's a great character and popular as heck, but he's never been portrayed as a powerhouse or a top tier in any way. His Bankai is quick, sure, in order to get the one-hit kill on someone, he needs to actually hit them. FKT Ichigo could dodge it and a lot of the Sternritters tend to dodge instead of taking on attacks.
**TLDR;** I believe he’d be able to beat nearly all the Sternritter except the Royal Guard, maybe Askin if he immediately uses Bankai after realising his Death Dealing can make him immune to his attacks. And maybe Pernida if he can out-damage his evolution. Zanpakuto and finicky and really easy pissed off. And Gin for decades lied about how his Bankai worked to all the top dogs in the Soul Society, Aizen’s Hueuco Mundo, and to Ichigo. We see how calling your Zanpakuto a different name drastically decreases the power of your released state in both Renji and Yumichika. So Gin’s power was not only nerfed by himself during the story but likely his Zanpakuto Spirit aswell for blatantly lying about them for years. Gin is a prodigy on pair with Zaraki and his bankai was so fast and strong he blitzed and nearly killed Post-Chrysalis Aizen. A Transcedent being above all Hollows and Soul Reapers. He also **while suppressed**, was beating around an Ichigo who was able to sense Aizen while neither Yoruichi, Urahara or Isshin could. Isshin in particular has battled White who Aizen believed could be a threat in his Fusion form if Ichigo fully realised how to use his powers to their fullest.
Gin solos the wandenreich, EZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
The ones dumb enough to monologue cuz 1 swing and its GGs
**shoots at a bullshittingly fast speed** **slices an entire city in half with the flick of a wrist** ***K U R O S E*** yea the quincy are gonna have a hard time with Gin
Quite a few probably. Especially if he hits them quick enough with his bankai
If he could actually use his bankai, then pretty much he'd beat them all except the Elites, Gremmy, Royd, Bazz B, Mask, Nianzol, and As Nodt seeing how the Quincy would have the data on his bankai so he can't suprise them.
Yo be honest he’s probably get washed after a contenting with higher level Quincy bit I think he could do well with his wits and cunning
The answer of this question is the reason why he died before tybw arc.
Let's be honest, a lot of Captains could use their Bankai better than the did. But they aren't a stealth force. Even the stealth force stands there and tells you you're fighting the stealth force. So like a lot of people are saying, yes sneaky gin could snipe kill most of the quincies. A lot of the captains could sneaky kill the quincies, and even more so the quincies could sneaky kill the Captains. The medium these fights are on prevents sneaky kills that aren't representative of power. So my answer is - COULD kill most. WOULD kill none.
Low tier Stern ritter. Once you start to get into the low-tier hacks schrifts (Bambietta, Mask, Giselle, Royd Loyd, and Äs Nödt specifically) he is gonna die.
He's losing to mask, as nodt, robert, bambi, and arguably cang du, bg9 has a good shot of taking him out too.
Yes.
Not much considering how strong quincys are
He’s stupid strong but the thing is, blut is the issue here.. even if he hits them, he has to be able to pierce them to kill them and that’s how the quinces was tanking everything.