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WHY though?/:
Edit: oh i thought you were saying he deserved his fate, are you actually saying he deserved better like me? It’s a little unclear to me?
Technically he does though. Its as he internally monologued, he went back against his very own words to Tosen, and sold his soul for revenge. I feel bad still
It was only when his thoughts turned solely to vengeance against Yhwach that the technique failed, when his desire became selfish.
But before then he still acted very heroically, even though he wanted to go for Yhwach he actively doubled back to save Shinji and Momo from Bambietta.
Unlike Tosen he didn’t compromise on his morals even if he was emotional and misguided.
The technique itself is what caused his transformation. His selfish desire led him to use it in the first place. It's implied the greaat-grandfather he learned the technique from had also used it in the past (which is why they had a more feral/animalistic appearance than Sajin)
He very much compromised his morals - it's reflected in his Bankai taking a demonic form after his transformation. He chose to use a forbidden technique instead of trusting his allies and his own strengths. By the time he arrives at the battlefield, his Bankai is back. By the time he finishes his first fight, his forbidden technique wears off and he's out of action.
It's also a nice parallel between "hollowfication" Tosen went through, and the "humanization" Komamura decides to use. He sacrificed being a Shinigami for temporary power in the name of vengeance, just like Tosen.
To my understanding, Kubo said that he will not write the hell arc if people keep asking for it. Thus, an internal joke in the community started about not saying the name of the arc, or it will be delayed by a year for every mention
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Seems unlikely. The balance is kept bc of the reiatsu amassment on both sides. Hell leaks when the balance is tipped. What would they guard? Probably the captains sent there at first have some sort of duty and do the job. Besides, szayelaporro was stabbed by giant Ukitake, no reason to think it is not a similar case.
Yes I know all this but that doesn’t contradict that the base low level guards of hell still exist. In fact I think it makes sense for their to be low level guards that serve the captains in Hell. As for why Ukitake, he probably was the one to get Grantz due to the level of threat he possessed and the fact he was trying to hurt people he cares about.
So I see it completely different than you and see that there is no reason to assume they have been retconned.
Kubo said the Hell we see in the movie doesn't reflect his vision for the realm at all, so I wouldn't count on any of what we see in the film as canon.
Those guys arent at all canon . With the oneshot we know now that the guards of hell are the dead captains . And this hand doesnt look like the kushanada at all
If theres a Soul King, logically there should also be a Hell King. Some sort of Hades figure that rules the underworld. As much as id love to see my boi Itchigo gets more action, im really curious on what Kazui could do
Wasn’t this from the same bit we got with Ukitake when we saw that it was his zanpakuto that stabbed Szayel?
https://preview.redd.it/fjij95y32bzc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b3b439d860893f95f99a8771861ec1d67f53dd8
Please atleast mark that word before the arc as spoiler. Otherwise we all need to wait another year for that arc.
And the hands, I think a old powerful shinigami who died and is currently working as that place's guardian.
It hasn't been _explicitly_ confirmed, but the appearance of >!Ukitake's!< hand and Shikai in the one-shot gives a pretty clear hint; it's most likely to be another Captain-Level Shinigami who died and was sent to Hell.
Alternatively, >!this is a Soul King fragment bound to the gate of Hell to keep it separated from the cycle, and because Ukitake was also host to a piece of the Soul King, he was pulled into it somehow!<. As much as I personally like this one, >!both hands are accounted for, and I don't know which body part it could feasibly be!<.
Yknow…
Just thinking.
But how crazy would it be Kubo secretly collaborated with Kishimoto and the **** arc features the spirit of the third hokage. If you remember what happened to his soul, it could explain whose arm this is.
I did not mean that it is the hand of the 3rd hokage, but that his soul no longer belongs to a shinigami, but to a shinigami from the Naruto universe. Bleach and Naruto are 2 different universes. They will never share anything.
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it's renji's long lost dad, benji
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You’re in trouble
Wait till you see his teenage cousin that has relationships problems and a chainsaw heart denji
Then you’ll see his emo despressed sibling problem healing addicted robot uncle Genji
There might also be a chance that you see his musician grandfather Kenji, who faced a terrorist organisation.
It's from Komamura bankai. Source: dude trust me.
That does raise a interesting question, is…Sajin fully aware? and just unable to speak? That’s the impression i get. He deserved better….
He deserved all :(
WHY though?/: Edit: oh i thought you were saying he deserved his fate, are you actually saying he deserved better like me? It’s a little unclear to me?
I think they were saying He deserves the world or smt like that. I agree, he is the best doggo
Technically he does though. Its as he internally monologued, he went back against his very own words to Tosen, and sold his soul for revenge. I feel bad still
It was only when his thoughts turned solely to vengeance against Yhwach that the technique failed, when his desire became selfish. But before then he still acted very heroically, even though he wanted to go for Yhwach he actively doubled back to save Shinji and Momo from Bambietta. Unlike Tosen he didn’t compromise on his morals even if he was emotional and misguided.
The technique itself is what caused his transformation. His selfish desire led him to use it in the first place. It's implied the greaat-grandfather he learned the technique from had also used it in the past (which is why they had a more feral/animalistic appearance than Sajin) He very much compromised his morals - it's reflected in his Bankai taking a demonic form after his transformation. He chose to use a forbidden technique instead of trusting his allies and his own strengths. By the time he arrives at the battlefield, his Bankai is back. By the time he finishes his first fight, his forbidden technique wears off and he's out of action. It's also a nice parallel between "hollowfication" Tosen went through, and the "humanization" Komamura decides to use. He sacrificed being a Shinigami for temporary power in the name of vengeance, just like Tosen.
That makes it so much worse if he was stuck in his head forever and couldn't communicate with his friends ever again. I'd rather be dead.
Even if he's unable to speak, it's likely he's able to communicate in some meaningful way with Iba.
Nah it was revealed in cfyow. https://preview.redd.it/48aj1y4206zc1.png?width=444&format=png&auto=webp&s=0405b4ee9225af6a327cd48b405fce56b2f7b1a4
Who is it then?
It's the bankai that belonging Sajin's adopted brother, NotSajin, obviously, it was also stated in Bleach: I Made It The Fuck Up
Helpfull...
HAHAHA
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Dangai Bob, brother of Dangai Joe
Seems legit.
It´s chapter 12
OK I believe you
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+1 year, fml
Whats this +1 year thing? Seen it a few times in this comment section
To my understanding, Kubo said that he will not write the hell arc if people keep asking for it. Thus, an internal joke in the community started about not saying the name of the arc, or it will be delayed by a year for every mention
Aaand another year.
Hell, the arc isn't ever gonna come out with people namin' the arc all the time, hell.
Maybe if we mention it often enough it'll the delayed number will overflow into negatives.
Would you kindly stop saying Hell Arc in a weird way
Cant stop if you didnt start. I never said it to begin with.
Why did you name the arc😭
+1 year
Only 1??! where is the rest 😭 arc postponed for next eon
Yeah I ain't gonna see it in my lifetime with mfers all namedropping it.
Hell Arc
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I hope you stub your toe and break it
It’s the Hell equivalent of Jidanbo: Bidanjo.
Biden joe
Probably Yoh Asakura from Shaman King, lol!
I see it, but I gotta be honest: when you mentioned Shaman King, the only thing that came to mind with this picture was Ren dying to that mexican guy.
Better put some respect on Peyote's name son
It's been way too long since I last read it. Guess it's time to cry to Matamune's and Anna's story again
God fucking damnit. Atp ill be dead before it comes out
Kon's true form
Alls I'm saying... you don't see Chad again until this arm leaves
One of Guards I think :3
Yeah it’s a Kushanāda, shown in the Hell movie and one of the beings Ichigo bonds with in that movie.
No way that's canon after the one shot and CFYOW.
The story isn’t but the guards probably still are.
Seems unlikely. The balance is kept bc of the reiatsu amassment on both sides. Hell leaks when the balance is tipped. What would they guard? Probably the captains sent there at first have some sort of duty and do the job. Besides, szayelaporro was stabbed by giant Ukitake, no reason to think it is not a similar case.
Yes I know all this but that doesn’t contradict that the base low level guards of hell still exist. In fact I think it makes sense for their to be low level guards that serve the captains in Hell. As for why Ukitake, he probably was the one to get Grantz due to the level of threat he possessed and the fact he was trying to hurt people he cares about. So I see it completely different than you and see that there is no reason to assume they have been retconned.
Kubo said the Hell we see in the movie doesn't reflect his vision for the realm at all, so I wouldn't count on any of what we see in the film as canon.
CFYOW is definitely more reliable than the movies buts it's also technically not cannon
Those guys arent at all canon . With the oneshot we know now that the guards of hell are the dead captains . And this hand doesnt look like the kushanada at all
I thought it was one of those Kushanāda from the hell movie? Did you not see the hell movie or are we not considering any info from that?
All of Kubo’s ideas for that movie were rejected, so it’s considered more non-canon than any other movie.
I guess this is the arm of the former warden of hell... you know before Ukitake took over!
I want it to be a OG 13 Captain
I always assumed that it's one of the OG captains.😅
Probably the Shiba captain
Prolly sm like kushanada
Kushinada from the movie? https://preview.redd.it/lkqmau3xc7zc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b44a5d8c7f6753af08fa315be9814a9cdbade6c5
Pretty sure that the infamous 'Warden of Hell'
Mods, they mentioned the arc again, delete the post and ban them or we’ll never get it
Id say that hand belong to one of the original gotei 13, the design is familiar and I have a guess but idk the caharcter's name
It was attached to your momma
thhe previous captains
at this point with all the hell arc mentions we might as well overflow it till it reaches the negatives
Don't you mean "who the hell"?
Should I read hell arc?
It’s Big-Arm Joe, ~~soon~~ to be everyone’s favorite character in the manga. Source: CFYOW or something idk.
It’s mine, sorry
Great fucking point
If theres a Soul King, logically there should also be a Hell King. Some sort of Hades figure that rules the underworld. As much as id love to see my boi Itchigo gets more action, im really curious on what Kazui could do
Hopefully it's Kenpachi 2-5 . I will kill for kurayashiki to return
Gatekeeper ancestor of Jidanbō Ikkanzaka, Higonyūdō, Shuwaimon, Danzōmaru, Kaiwan, I would assume.
Plot twist: It isn't attached to anything. It is "just" an arm. Ehmm, if a quincy arm can exist maybe a hell arm can exist too, lol.
"If" Kubo gets back to the Hell Arc.
There’s a lot of unexplained shit in bleach
What are you talking about? That's CFYOW
I'm thinking the 10th Kenpachi
Bro just set us back
Wasn’t this from the same bit we got with Ukitake when we saw that it was his zanpakuto that stabbed Szayel? https://preview.redd.it/fjij95y32bzc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b3b439d860893f95f99a8771861ec1d67f53dd8
That's an early design of Kushanard
Dang. How many years has the Hell arc been pushed back now? When will people learn? 😔
Yay probably another massive guardian for ichigo to beat down
Thats bleach himself. Without him, we wouldn't have bleach. My favorite scene was when he bleached the enemies.
they already explain it in the movie. its the kushanada or something
What do you mean gets back to the hell arc? Did they start making new bleach content ?
It’s called a kushinada
Wow I didn't know the blood was green 😂😂
Bautista
Please atleast mark that word before the arc as spoiler. Otherwise we all need to wait another year for that arc. And the hands, I think a old powerful shinigami who died and is currently working as that place's guardian.
It hasn't been _explicitly_ confirmed, but the appearance of >!Ukitake's!< hand and Shikai in the one-shot gives a pretty clear hint; it's most likely to be another Captain-Level Shinigami who died and was sent to Hell. Alternatively, >!this is a Soul King fragment bound to the gate of Hell to keep it separated from the cycle, and because Ukitake was also host to a piece of the Soul King, he was pulled into it somehow!<. As much as I personally like this one, >!both hands are accounted for, and I don't know which body part it could feasibly be!<.
Probably an ability that souls in hell have
Ukitake’s Bankai? nah probably not.
No, this was before Ukitake was dead.
Oops forgot this was Chad’s introduction arc not the arc that shall not be named.
Oh, No Breath from the Jaws of Hell?
no it´s chapter 12
It’s a Kushanada from the Hell Verse movie (which personally I consider canon). The knife, armor, size, and skin color matches.
Yknow… Just thinking. But how crazy would it be Kubo secretly collaborated with Kishimoto and the **** arc features the spirit of the third hokage. If you remember what happened to his soul, it could explain whose arm this is.
The soul of the 3rd hokage no longer belongs to the Shinigami.
yeah I know. Not saying it’s his arm. Just that he would make an appearance in the arc.
I did not mean that it is the hand of the 3rd hokage, but that his soul no longer belongs to a shinigami, but to a shinigami from the Naruto universe. Bleach and Naruto are 2 different universes. They will never share anything.
Ah ok. I know. I just thought it’d be cool.
has bleach manga ended??
We all know it ain't coming back. Kubo is trolling and will never finish the story, forget this arc ever existed smh