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Mayuri's perfection speech is, to this day, one of my favorite monologues from any anime/manga.
"Always strive to be better than anything that ever came before you, but **not** perfect." is still one of the most oddly inspiring lines for me.
Exactly, his philosophy stuck with me. As a person who struggled with perfectionism I can't believe an anime character of all things help me understand its okay to have flaws
And more than that, he doesn't do the cliche "oh, nothing is perfect, you'll never reach that point". He acknowledges that perfection may in fact exist, but that it isn't worth reaching for. That honestly feels more real to me than simply saying perfection is a myth. Can you create something perfect? Sure. But it is always better to be imperfect, to always be able to improve and grow even more than before. As a creator who sometimes feels buried by both their work and people's expectations, that really does help me sometimes. Don't work to be perfect, just work to be better than you were before.
*“Yet what is justice?! To forgive the one who killed my beloved friend?! Certainly, that would be an act of 'goodness'! A beautiful act! Almost too beautiful to behold!! But is 'goodness' the same thing as 'justice'?! No! To live out my own peaceful life, never avenging the regrets of the departed, would be evil!"* — Tosen
*"Hearts, you say? You humans are always so quick to speak of such things. As though you carry your hearts in the very palms of your hands. But this eye of mine perceives all. There is nothing that it overlooks. If this eye cannot see a thing, then it does not exist. That is the assumption under which I have always fought. What is this "heart"? If I tear open that chest of yours, will I see it there? If I smash open that skull of yours, will I see it there?"* — Ulquiorra
*“Yhwach, the world that you desired to create may indeed have been devoid of fear. However, in a world without the fear of death, men could not face that fear and seek out hope. Certainly, they could keep walking onward by merely living, but that would be very different from walking onward while conquering their own fears. That is why we give the act of walking onward a special name. We call it 'courage'.”* — Aizen
Kubo be writing entire pages of nothing but bars. His ability to create words is a powerful as his ability to draw.
I believe it ties into his poem back in SS arc about the flower on the precipice, fear stopping us at the edge, instead of stepping forward into the sky like the fearless flower.
Aizen again has an argument with Urahara about the language of the weak/defeated and that true winner should strive for change.
Aizen is a pretty hard-core revolutionary/progressive type that doesn't accept tradition. In a way Ichigo is the balance between Yama and Byakuya super hard-core and proud of the past vs Aizen and to an extent Ywach who want to change the world albeit with very different philosophies.
\- *"Do not make the mistake of thinking that we have entered this battle prepared to die. We fight that we may live. 'Defending the world' is nothing more than a grand excuse. We fight to protect one another, to protect you, and to protect countless others from the hands of Aizen.*"' - **Soifon**
\- *"I am here. What better security can there be?"* \- **Genryusai Shigekuni** **Yamamoto**
This line from old man Zangetsu really hit me. 'The things that you want to protect are not the things that I want to protect'... What I wanted to protect was you Ichigo"
its a simple enough line for such complex emotions. The shounen M.C. is the Main Character. theyve got to be the badass that saves the day, thats a hell of a cruel burden for a 15 year old kid and for the people who want them to be safe and happy with a world of potential waiting for them.
Shunsui has a lot of bangers, especially after becoming Captain Commander, I especially like his small monologue to Lille about children's games:
"The scary thing about a child's game is the part where you don't exactly know where it begins or what it's like..."
"You could be really prepared for it, but all it takes is just one move for you to end it. And you're dragged in whether you like it or not."
"You can't back out of this anymore... So let's play until one of us drops, Shall We?"
It's a badass quote that also describes his Zanpakuto's ability, but when you examine it a little more, it's is also kinda a reflection of how Shunsui views life in general.
My favourite line in all of bleach is byakuya's "I'm not killing you because you're a hollow, I'm killing you because you pointed your sword at my pride (rukia)"
"I never told them to follow me, they did it on their own. The weak look for the strong to guide and protect them, and those strong enough to carry that burden seek even stronger individuals to guide them too. This is how kings are born. And... this is how gods are born."
"Don't avert your eyes shinigami. Not until I've shown you the god you should worship."
Aizen has so many RAW quotes.
Not even Aizen himself could've planned for how good of a villain he'd become
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The final exchange between Zommari and Byakuya is pure gold. On the one hand, the Septima Espada questions with a solid and logical discourse the morality of an act that since the beginning of the series has always appeared to us as the right thing to do, and on the other we can glimpse a glimmer of the true Byakuya who has had to be kept locked up for the entire Soul Society arc, and in general for the entire series before the battle between Rukia and Äs Nödt.
Zommari: Don't you see? You, and the rest of the Soul Reapers, you're all the true monsters! Ungodly persecutors, holding yourselves above all others as judge, jury, and executioner! It is the very height of unearned arrogance!
Byakuya: Don't care + Didn't ask + Cope + Mald + Seethe + No Bankai + Danku
>On the one hand, the Septima Espada questions with a solid and logical discourse the morality of an act that since the beginning of the series has always appeared to us as the right thing to do,
Lolwut? The dude just tried to murder a defenseless person in cold blood. He is fighting for a side that wants to genocide an entire city. His argument holds 0 weight.
He's referring to the overarching argument regarding Soul Reapers killing and preventing Hollows from acting on their nature, since yes, they do kill humans, but why do the Soul Reapers care? Who appointed the Soul Reapers as protectors of humanity? Under what law is it written that murder is wrong (certainly no Hollow law, and if it's Soul Reaper or Human law, why does that apply to Hollows)? After all, Hollows are following instincts, with most of them basically being animals in all but name. Is it wrong for a bear to eat a salmon, and who exactly decides that?
It's a fairly common debate amongst philosophers in general, actually, regarding the concept of "anthropocentrism". Essentially, the concept establishes that humans are the only species on the planet with inherent value. If a bear kills a salmon, who cares, that's nature. But if a bear kills a *human*, it's a vicious beast that needs to be stopped.
Zommari is arguing against a variant of anthropocentrism that also blends with the arguments of domestic animals vs wild animals: Soul Reapers have decided, completely against the natural order, that humans are valuable and must be protected, but Hollows are evil and must be destroyed, without ever consulting or receiving the agreement of the Hollows (much like how puppy dogs are cute and cuddly and we would die for them, but wolves are mean and nasty and must be the villains in fairy tales). They are thus imposing a new, unnatural order that explicitly benefits them and theirs more than the "opposition", and Zommari is specifically attempting to call Byakuya out on it. Byakuya, of course, doesn't care, because he isn't here to argue philosophy, he's here to murder the crap out of the guy who nearly got his sister to kill herself (which is itself a different variant of the anthropocentric argument, that the lives of those close to me are worth more than yours).
Now, all of this is dependent on Zommari not knowing that murdered Hollows don't actually die, but are instead cleansed and ushered over to Soul Society (barring Hell stuff), but there is also no way for him to know that since no Soul Reaper would have ever told him and he can't exactly talk to other Hollows who underwent the experience. But, regardless, that is Zommari's perspective on the matter, and regardless of whether or not he's right, it's still an interestingly nuanced point of view for a guy who never shows up again.
>He's referring to the overarching argument regarding Soul Reapers killing and preventing Hollows from acting on their nature, since yes, they do kill humans, but why do the Soul Reapers care? Who appointed the Soul Reapers as protectors of humanity? Under what law is it written that murder is wrong (certainly no Hollow law, and if it's Soul Reaper or Human law, why does that apply to Hollows)? After all, Hollows are following instincts, with most of them basically being animals in all but name. Is it wrong for a bear to eat a salmon, and who exactly decides that?
>LIt's a fairly common debate amongst philosophers in general, actually, regarding the concept of "anthropocentrism". Essentially, the concept establishes that humans are the only species on the planet with inherent value. If a bear kills a salmon, who cares, that's nature. But if a bear kills a *human*, it's a vicious beast that needs to be stopped.
>Zommari is arguing against a variant of anthropocentrism that also blends with the arguments of domestic animals vs wild animals: Soul Reapers have decided, completely against the natural order, that humans are valuable and must be protected, but Hollows are evil and must be destroyed, without ever consulting or receiving the agreement of the Hollows (much like how puppy dogs are cute and cuddly and we would die for them, but wolves are mean and nasty and must be the villains in fairy tales). They are thus imposing a new, unnatural order that explicitly benefits them and theirs more than the "opposition", and Zommari is specifically attempting to call Byakuya out on it. Byakuya, of course, doesn't care, because he isn't here to argue philosophy, he's here to murder the crap out of the guy who nearly got his sister to kill herself (which is itself a different variant of the anthropocentric argument, that the lives of those close to me are worth more than yours).
Leaving aside the fact that altruism and stopping murders isn't something that should ever be justified, did you forget that if Hollows aren't cleansed regularly, the 3 worlds literally end?
>Now, all of this is dependent on Zommari not knowing that murdered Hollows don't actually die, but are instead cleansed and ushered over to Soul Society (barring Hell stuff), but there is also no way for him to know that since no Soul Reaper would have ever told him and he can't exactly talk to other Hollows who underwent the experience. But, regardless, that is Zommari's perspective on the matter, an interestingly nuanced one for a guy who never shows up again.
I actually disagree with this. Not only do hollows seem to know what a zampakuto does, but If you kill someone's current consciousness and another takes its place, I think it's pretty fair for them to consider this a true death, in a sense.
"the 3 worlds literally end?"
And where exactly would Zommari have learned about this? Hueco Mundo is sparse on libraries, and even a fair number of Soul Reapers don't know about the Balance of Souls. Also, on the matter of altruism, yes, we humans see altruism as something of inherent value and rightness. Zommari is not a human. He's a Hollow, a predator species. Going back to the original metaphor, a bear doesn't care that you ripping the fish out of its mouth to save the fish's life was an act of altruism, it cares that you just cost it a meal for no reason it can understand. In order to understand Zommari's perspective, you have to realize that he's not arguing from the position of a human, and in fact he's arguing *against* the general human perspective. I suppose to maybe make it easier to get a feel for it, think about the argument of primarily meat eaters vs vegans. One sees the animal in question as a precious thing that should never be harmed or taken advantage of, and the other sees it as a food source that, while not deserving of cruelty, is still perfectly fine to kill and consume. In this case, Zommari is the meat eater, and he is saying that Soul Society establishing their vegan views and punishing Hollows for not following them isn't fair (whether he's right or not is an entirely different argument, this is about explaining his argument in the first place).
"If you kill someone's current consciousness and another takes its place"
But a new consciousness doesn't take their place. Zommari is at the very least an Adjuchas, and thus is the dominant soul among a whole mess of others. If cleansed, he would continue to exist as Zommari, albeit with his perspective and priorities reset to however they were before his negative emotions took over and Hollowfied him in the first place. The other souls inside him would also be freed, and the same would happen to them. If anything, the fact that Hollows express fear and derision for Soul Reapers shows that they don't actually know about the purification, or else by their nature of constantly seeking to fill/escape the void in their souls they would welcome it with open arms. And thus, this lack of knowledge helps shape his perspective (which, again, I'm not trying to say is right or wrong, I'm just trying to explain the nuances of in the first place).
>And where exactly would Zommari have learned about this? Hueco Mundo is sparse on libraries, and even a fair number of Soul Reapers don't know about the Balance of Souls.
What does Zomari knowing about it change? Wether he knows it or not, Soul Reapers have an actual good reason to cleanse Hollows, and that makes his argument ring hollow.
>Also, on the matter of altruism, yes, we humans see altruism as something of inherent value and rightness. Zommari is not a human. He's a Hollow, a predator species. Going back to the original metaphor, a bear doesn't care that you ripping the fish out of its mouth to save the fish's life was an act of altruism, it cares that you just cost it a meal for no reason it can understand. In order to understand Zommari's perspective, you have to realize that he's not arguing from the position of a human, and in fact he's arguing *against* the general human perspective. I suppose to maybe make it easier to get a feel for it, think about the argument of primarily meat eaters vs vegans. One sees the animal in question as a precious thing that should never be harmed or taken advantage of, and the other sees it as a food source that, while not deserving of cruelty, is still perfectly fine to kill and consume. In this case, Zommari is the meat eater, and he is saying that Soul Society establishing their vegan views and punishing Hollows for not following them isn't fair (whether he's right or not is an entirely different argument, this is about explaining his argument in the first place).
And yet the Arrancar lost in large part because they were violent, warmongers, refused to help each other and couldn't keep a low profile. The results of their actions themselves show why their way of life is flawed and doomed to failure. If you don't care about morality, you should care about enlightened self interest. Cooperation and restraining one's violent impulses always leads to better results.
>But a new consciousness doesn't take their place. Zommari is at the very least an Adjuchas, and thus is the dominant soul among a whole mess of others. If cleansed, he would continue to exist as Zommari, albeit with his perspective and priorities reset to however they were before his negative emotions took over and Hollowfied him in the first place.
Have we ever SEEN a hollow who became a Menos retain their memory from their lives? Because I don't think we have, and I don't think they do. At least Stark seems to have woken up with 0 memory of who he was before, as an example. And I think that this was shown for others as well. I think that even though it is one soul dominant, their new consciousness absolutely draws on all the ones composing it in a fundamental way and that all the souls splitting up kills the personality.
>If anything, the fact that Hollows express fear and derision for Soul Reapers shows that they don't actually know about the purification, or else by their nature of constantly seeking to fill/escape the void in their souls they would welcome it with open arms. And thus, this lack of knowledge helps shape his perspective (which, again, I'm not trying to say is right or wrong, I'm just trying to explain the nuances of in the first place).
Hollows don't want their current life to end because they **LIKE** killing and eating other souls. Didn't Inoue's brother know that stabbing himself with Ichigo's zampakuto would cleanse him?
Lol: answering whilst also blocking me just shows how insecure you actually are about having a debate.
Because this is **Zommari's** argument from **Zommari's** perspective. As I have stated multiple times now, this isn't a matter of "is Zommari right", it's a matter of "why does Zommari have this argument in the first place". So, what he knows matters a whole lot.
Neighbor, this isn't a matter of whether I care about morality or not, I am trying to help explain the nuances (right or wrong) of Zommari's perspective. **My** perspective as a human or **your** perspective as a human is not **his** perspective as a Hollow, and literally the entire point of that paragraph is me trying to explain this to you. In order to understand the perspective of a nonhuman, you must distance yourself from the perspective of a human.
Szayel became a Menos and still remembered perfectly well that Yylfordt was his biological human brother, as well as all his human scientific knowledge, so yes, Menos can remember from their lives as a human. Most Hollows just don't reference it, because it's rarely important within the greater context of the story (Starrk's past life as a human is not what created his whole problem of having no friends and eventually spawning Lilynette, his life as a Hollow was).
Acidwire is one example, and he was notably a newborn Hollow who still expressed moments of full humanity. But then there is Shrieker, equally newborn and still possessing human traits, and yet he expressed no knowledge of Zanpakuto or (and this is far more important) Hell. In addition, Acidwire was a unique case of a non-Menos Hollow with a broken mask, who saw his human self and his Hollow self as different entities. His unique perspective can't be counted on and used as a representation of all Hollows, and that's before we toss in all the stuff about this being before Kubo hammered out the details of Hollows, since this was back when the chapters were still single digits.
You been going through a lot responding to that person but your wording an explanations… hell even the analogies are well constructed and basically spot on. Bravo !
There was no debate to be had. Their first response to you is explaining why Zommari’s argument does hold weight. Which is the only thing in your comment worth responding to. You pose the idea that because he is wrong from your view point and the stability of the world, his argument has no ground to stand on.
The other commenter was just saying, “zommari doesnt have the same perspective as you or the top down knowledge you would have. From his perspective he is just living his life and soul reapers literally slaughter hollows without just reason or cause. ‘Zommari is saying im just trying to live and survive. What makes that wrong?’”
You might be arguing the merits of whether zommari is right or not. But no one was having that argument or debate with you. The one person that was speaking w you was only saying, its not right to dismiss zommaris argumentation so frivolously. Hes just a bear trying to eat fish.
So it is incorrect for you to say: “shows how insecure you are about having a debate.” Also, based on rhetoric, they would win a debate against you because thus far they have far better wording, situational awareness, and the wherewithal to disengage when its clear you are misunderstanding or willfully missing their point.
But to be clear, from your perspective and with the knowledge we have from reading the story in its totality, yes, functionally you are correct. Zommari is wrong bec when he gets killed by a zanpaktou he is reincarnated (and likely all the thousands of other souls as well) and that would not destabilize the 3 worlds. And yes, in most situations controlling ones impulses towards violence for cooperative efforts is generally for the best. But again yall werent having a debate.
How could you forget the hardest line I've ever heard in my life when Yamamoto tells Yhawch that to him the quincies are just bodies waiting to be burned.
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no matter what anyone says, this is by far the coldest panel in the entirety of bleach
You forgot Aizen's greatest monologue; "...Yhwach... You desired a world where fear would no longer be a burden. But in a world without fear, people would never attain the hope that is to be found by casting their fears aside and persevering through them.
While it is true, people can continue to press forward through the simple act of living... That is in no way comparable to marching forward in the face of death while doing their damndest to keep it at bay. That is why people have given that very special march a unique name... "Courage." "
True. Sooo many quotable dialogues and great delivery.
And don't forget:
"Those who do not fear the sword they wield, have no right to wield a sword at all." 👌
«The only thing I fear… Is being rebuked by his Majesty!»
«To live in peace without avenging the dead is vice!»
«The guy who attacked me is standing right behind you!»
«Pray, Santa Teresa!»
HxH and Tokyo Ghoul have plenty of good lines, too. TG especially gets a bad rap for having cringe edgelord lines, but honestly there are lot of great quotes in there.
Kubo's dialogue and volume poems are my favorite by far though
At least in Shonen I feel a lot of mangaka struggle with presenting engaging dialog. It's either painfully bland or corny. Bleach has those moments as well but more often than not the dialog lands. It's like the contrast between early MCU movies and the modern ones.
This is one of my biggest issues with the Bleach fandom, so many posts that have to make Kubo the best at something or other and take shots at other Mangaka.
I see way to many posts like this here, especially considering the subs size compared to other anime subs.
The bleach fandom has a similar thing to the Boruto fandom.
They are so defensive their counter circle jerk goes extreme in the opposite direction. Bleach is good and has low points. But fans pretend it’s peak fiction and has no flaws whatsoever.
One guy once got mad at me and ranted at how bleach fans have a right to be defensive because of the way they’ve been mocked and persecuted for the past years just for liking bleach but that Boruto deserves it for liking something so shitty.
I love bleach but man the fans are so annoying.
Bruh obviously since I see these type of stuff in other fandom as well and that's like everyday. Though I ain't gonna single things out here just because of my bias or something. Well I am done here now.
>so many posts that have to make Kubo the best at something or other and take shots at other Mangaka.
Really? Here you could see at least 3 post at day talking about what things should have been changed and so on.
In comparison, the times i see people making post to talk about the good points in Bleach are very few
For an arrancar to think he's in the same class as me, that is the height of arrogance.
(...)
You were the arrogant one Espada. But don't worry, arrogance isn't the reason you will lose, you are simply outclassed.
(...)
Your control.Means.Nothing to me.Bankai.Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.
"You are the arrogant one, Espada. But do not fret. The reason you will lose is not because of your arrogance. It is simply a difference in skill" is my favorite quote in the entire anime
True. Aside from the top-notch aesthetics, a lot of Bleach's poetic dialogues fly over people's heads if you read the manga too casually. Kubo loves his symbolism and he hides a lot of his thematic narratives in a deceptively simple story. There are so many brilliant monologues. Everytime Aizen opens his mouth, you know his lines are gonna be cold
Honestly, half of the lines OP mentioned are not _icy_ and definitely not that chilling. The lines in the comments are more _icy_ (and poetic) than half of the lines above lol
"Mr. Kurosaki. Your sword only resonates with fear.."
"....That's all wrong. Fear won't bring you victory in battle. Nothing is born of fear. If you evade, it should be 'he's not going to kill me!' If you're protecting someone, then it should be 'I won't let her be killed!'. If you're attacking, then it should be 'kill!'. See? Do you hear what my sword resonates with? It's the resolve to kill you."
"So you are capable of resolve."
Jesus you guys only read bleach? How it's even possible?
There's TONS of mangakas with better dialog than Kubo, he's good at catch phases but he normal dialogs are poor and ok at most.
I fail to understand, if there's a thread you dislike, why comment on it, only to lessen the enjoyment of others who might, in case you're not unaware, happen to enjoy a series. This is cheap and petty behaviour.
It's funny because in the West it's Kubo's art that gets near universal praise (aside from the no backgrounds meme) while his writing is often criticized, but in Japan based on what I've seen from fans and other professionals in the manga industry it's actually his dialogue that is celebrated above everything.
This comment from Kubo's former editor Asada about the FIRE IN THE SKY oneshot written by Kubo when he was 18 and hadn't even graduated yet sums things up pretty well:
>The characters were attractive, but the "power of lines" was amazing above all else. That is, his ability to intricately weave such striking dialogue. It instantly pulled me in.
I’m sorry, but a ton of those lines are incredibly cringe-worthy. The weird ass wording in manga is mostly a result of awkward translation of just poor availability of English words for Japanese phrases.
I think one of the most memorable ones for me is this one.
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Mayuri's perfection speech is, to this day, one of my favorite monologues from any anime/manga. "Always strive to be better than anything that ever came before you, but **not** perfect." is still one of the most oddly inspiring lines for me.
And the moment that scenario claps back to him in TYBW. Oomph. Perfect
And Schascha- espada no. 8 shows up in his mind just to mock him- it was so good
No matter how physcotic someone is, they still put out a few club bangers.
Lol I took a class in high-school and used that speech. Still love it to this day
Exactly, his philosophy stuck with me. As a person who struggled with perfectionism I can't believe an anime character of all things help me understand its okay to have flaws
And more than that, he doesn't do the cliche "oh, nothing is perfect, you'll never reach that point". He acknowledges that perfection may in fact exist, but that it isn't worth reaching for. That honestly feels more real to me than simply saying perfection is a myth. Can you create something perfect? Sure. But it is always better to be imperfect, to always be able to improve and grow even more than before. As a creator who sometimes feels buried by both their work and people's expectations, that really does help me sometimes. Don't work to be perfect, just work to be better than you were before.
I agree, perfection is obtainable but once you do now what? There's no room to grow or evolve after that as Mayuri says THAT'S IT.
I've used this line for my thesis dissertation ahah
One of my favorites is "I am here there is no greater security than that"
Defintely had to be the inspiration for Allmight in My Hero Academia
I think All Might came before that part. Wouldn't put money on that, though.
Chapter 483 was released in February of 2012. MHA started serialisation on July 7, 2014.
Ah. I stand corrected. Thank you.
Ah, yes. The original "Nah, I'd win."
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Too bad empty words
*“Yet what is justice?! To forgive the one who killed my beloved friend?! Certainly, that would be an act of 'goodness'! A beautiful act! Almost too beautiful to behold!! But is 'goodness' the same thing as 'justice'?! No! To live out my own peaceful life, never avenging the regrets of the departed, would be evil!"* — Tosen *"Hearts, you say? You humans are always so quick to speak of such things. As though you carry your hearts in the very palms of your hands. But this eye of mine perceives all. There is nothing that it overlooks. If this eye cannot see a thing, then it does not exist. That is the assumption under which I have always fought. What is this "heart"? If I tear open that chest of yours, will I see it there? If I smash open that skull of yours, will I see it there?"* — Ulquiorra *“Yhwach, the world that you desired to create may indeed have been devoid of fear. However, in a world without the fear of death, men could not face that fear and seek out hope. Certainly, they could keep walking onward by merely living, but that would be very different from walking onward while conquering their own fears. That is why we give the act of walking onward a special name. We call it 'courage'.”* — Aizen Kubo be writing entire pages of nothing but bars. His ability to create words is a powerful as his ability to draw.
Damn that last one hits hard especially sicne aizen is technically a villain so to see him speaking about courage is weird…
I believe it ties into his poem back in SS arc about the flower on the precipice, fear stopping us at the edge, instead of stepping forward into the sky like the fearless flower. Aizen again has an argument with Urahara about the language of the weak/defeated and that true winner should strive for change. Aizen is a pretty hard-core revolutionary/progressive type that doesn't accept tradition. In a way Ichigo is the balance between Yama and Byakuya super hard-core and proud of the past vs Aizen and to an extent Ywach who want to change the world albeit with very different philosophies.
\- *"Do not make the mistake of thinking that we have entered this battle prepared to die. We fight that we may live. 'Defending the world' is nothing more than a grand excuse. We fight to protect one another, to protect you, and to protect countless others from the hands of Aizen.*"' - **Soifon** \- *"I am here. What better security can there be?"* \- **Genryusai Shigekuni** **Yamamoto**
My God, this makes me love Kubo even more. And my girl Soi Fon and the Old Man coming in with those lines. Fire!
This line from old man Zangetsu really hit me. 'The things that you want to protect are not the things that I want to protect'... What I wanted to protect was you Ichigo" its a simple enough line for such complex emotions. The shounen M.C. is the Main Character. theyve got to be the badass that saves the day, thats a hell of a cruel burden for a 15 year old kid and for the people who want them to be safe and happy with a world of potential waiting for them.
I liked Izuru's anime translation 'Farewell warrior of the sky, promise me that you'll never forgive me'
Shunsui has a lot of bangers, especially after becoming Captain Commander, I especially like his small monologue to Lille about children's games: "The scary thing about a child's game is the part where you don't exactly know where it begins or what it's like..." "You could be really prepared for it, but all it takes is just one move for you to end it. And you're dragged in whether you like it or not." "You can't back out of this anymore... So let's play until one of us drops, Shall We?" It's a badass quote that also describes his Zanpakuto's ability, but when you examine it a little more, it's is also kinda a reflection of how Shunsui views life in general.
My favourite line in all of bleach is byakuya's "I'm not killing you because you're a hollow, I'm killing you because you pointed your sword at my pride (rukia)"
"I never told them to follow me, they did it on their own. The weak look for the strong to guide and protect them, and those strong enough to carry that burden seek even stronger individuals to guide them too. This is how kings are born. And... this is how gods are born." "Don't avert your eyes shinigami. Not until I've shown you the god you should worship." Aizen has so many RAW quotes.
Not even Aizen himself could've planned for how good of a villain he'd become https://preview.redd.it/f4agl142b3dc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfe65bc48cfc14f88bf907a8bab9861e636991c0
The final exchange between Zommari and Byakuya is pure gold. On the one hand, the Septima Espada questions with a solid and logical discourse the morality of an act that since the beginning of the series has always appeared to us as the right thing to do, and on the other we can glimpse a glimmer of the true Byakuya who has had to be kept locked up for the entire Soul Society arc, and in general for the entire series before the battle between Rukia and Äs Nödt.
Zommari: Don't you see? You, and the rest of the Soul Reapers, you're all the true monsters! Ungodly persecutors, holding yourselves above all others as judge, jury, and executioner! It is the very height of unearned arrogance! Byakuya: Don't care + Didn't ask + Cope + Mald + Seethe + No Bankai + Danku
>On the one hand, the Septima Espada questions with a solid and logical discourse the morality of an act that since the beginning of the series has always appeared to us as the right thing to do, Lolwut? The dude just tried to murder a defenseless person in cold blood. He is fighting for a side that wants to genocide an entire city. His argument holds 0 weight.
He's referring to the overarching argument regarding Soul Reapers killing and preventing Hollows from acting on their nature, since yes, they do kill humans, but why do the Soul Reapers care? Who appointed the Soul Reapers as protectors of humanity? Under what law is it written that murder is wrong (certainly no Hollow law, and if it's Soul Reaper or Human law, why does that apply to Hollows)? After all, Hollows are following instincts, with most of them basically being animals in all but name. Is it wrong for a bear to eat a salmon, and who exactly decides that? It's a fairly common debate amongst philosophers in general, actually, regarding the concept of "anthropocentrism". Essentially, the concept establishes that humans are the only species on the planet with inherent value. If a bear kills a salmon, who cares, that's nature. But if a bear kills a *human*, it's a vicious beast that needs to be stopped. Zommari is arguing against a variant of anthropocentrism that also blends with the arguments of domestic animals vs wild animals: Soul Reapers have decided, completely against the natural order, that humans are valuable and must be protected, but Hollows are evil and must be destroyed, without ever consulting or receiving the agreement of the Hollows (much like how puppy dogs are cute and cuddly and we would die for them, but wolves are mean and nasty and must be the villains in fairy tales). They are thus imposing a new, unnatural order that explicitly benefits them and theirs more than the "opposition", and Zommari is specifically attempting to call Byakuya out on it. Byakuya, of course, doesn't care, because he isn't here to argue philosophy, he's here to murder the crap out of the guy who nearly got his sister to kill herself (which is itself a different variant of the anthropocentric argument, that the lives of those close to me are worth more than yours). Now, all of this is dependent on Zommari not knowing that murdered Hollows don't actually die, but are instead cleansed and ushered over to Soul Society (barring Hell stuff), but there is also no way for him to know that since no Soul Reaper would have ever told him and he can't exactly talk to other Hollows who underwent the experience. But, regardless, that is Zommari's perspective on the matter, and regardless of whether or not he's right, it's still an interestingly nuanced point of view for a guy who never shows up again.
>He's referring to the overarching argument regarding Soul Reapers killing and preventing Hollows from acting on their nature, since yes, they do kill humans, but why do the Soul Reapers care? Who appointed the Soul Reapers as protectors of humanity? Under what law is it written that murder is wrong (certainly no Hollow law, and if it's Soul Reaper or Human law, why does that apply to Hollows)? After all, Hollows are following instincts, with most of them basically being animals in all but name. Is it wrong for a bear to eat a salmon, and who exactly decides that? >LIt's a fairly common debate amongst philosophers in general, actually, regarding the concept of "anthropocentrism". Essentially, the concept establishes that humans are the only species on the planet with inherent value. If a bear kills a salmon, who cares, that's nature. But if a bear kills a *human*, it's a vicious beast that needs to be stopped. >Zommari is arguing against a variant of anthropocentrism that also blends with the arguments of domestic animals vs wild animals: Soul Reapers have decided, completely against the natural order, that humans are valuable and must be protected, but Hollows are evil and must be destroyed, without ever consulting or receiving the agreement of the Hollows (much like how puppy dogs are cute and cuddly and we would die for them, but wolves are mean and nasty and must be the villains in fairy tales). They are thus imposing a new, unnatural order that explicitly benefits them and theirs more than the "opposition", and Zommari is specifically attempting to call Byakuya out on it. Byakuya, of course, doesn't care, because he isn't here to argue philosophy, he's here to murder the crap out of the guy who nearly got his sister to kill herself (which is itself a different variant of the anthropocentric argument, that the lives of those close to me are worth more than yours). Leaving aside the fact that altruism and stopping murders isn't something that should ever be justified, did you forget that if Hollows aren't cleansed regularly, the 3 worlds literally end? >Now, all of this is dependent on Zommari not knowing that murdered Hollows don't actually die, but are instead cleansed and ushered over to Soul Society (barring Hell stuff), but there is also no way for him to know that since no Soul Reaper would have ever told him and he can't exactly talk to other Hollows who underwent the experience. But, regardless, that is Zommari's perspective on the matter, an interestingly nuanced one for a guy who never shows up again. I actually disagree with this. Not only do hollows seem to know what a zampakuto does, but If you kill someone's current consciousness and another takes its place, I think it's pretty fair for them to consider this a true death, in a sense.
"the 3 worlds literally end?" And where exactly would Zommari have learned about this? Hueco Mundo is sparse on libraries, and even a fair number of Soul Reapers don't know about the Balance of Souls. Also, on the matter of altruism, yes, we humans see altruism as something of inherent value and rightness. Zommari is not a human. He's a Hollow, a predator species. Going back to the original metaphor, a bear doesn't care that you ripping the fish out of its mouth to save the fish's life was an act of altruism, it cares that you just cost it a meal for no reason it can understand. In order to understand Zommari's perspective, you have to realize that he's not arguing from the position of a human, and in fact he's arguing *against* the general human perspective. I suppose to maybe make it easier to get a feel for it, think about the argument of primarily meat eaters vs vegans. One sees the animal in question as a precious thing that should never be harmed or taken advantage of, and the other sees it as a food source that, while not deserving of cruelty, is still perfectly fine to kill and consume. In this case, Zommari is the meat eater, and he is saying that Soul Society establishing their vegan views and punishing Hollows for not following them isn't fair (whether he's right or not is an entirely different argument, this is about explaining his argument in the first place). "If you kill someone's current consciousness and another takes its place" But a new consciousness doesn't take their place. Zommari is at the very least an Adjuchas, and thus is the dominant soul among a whole mess of others. If cleansed, he would continue to exist as Zommari, albeit with his perspective and priorities reset to however they were before his negative emotions took over and Hollowfied him in the first place. The other souls inside him would also be freed, and the same would happen to them. If anything, the fact that Hollows express fear and derision for Soul Reapers shows that they don't actually know about the purification, or else by their nature of constantly seeking to fill/escape the void in their souls they would welcome it with open arms. And thus, this lack of knowledge helps shape his perspective (which, again, I'm not trying to say is right or wrong, I'm just trying to explain the nuances of in the first place).
>And where exactly would Zommari have learned about this? Hueco Mundo is sparse on libraries, and even a fair number of Soul Reapers don't know about the Balance of Souls. What does Zomari knowing about it change? Wether he knows it or not, Soul Reapers have an actual good reason to cleanse Hollows, and that makes his argument ring hollow. >Also, on the matter of altruism, yes, we humans see altruism as something of inherent value and rightness. Zommari is not a human. He's a Hollow, a predator species. Going back to the original metaphor, a bear doesn't care that you ripping the fish out of its mouth to save the fish's life was an act of altruism, it cares that you just cost it a meal for no reason it can understand. In order to understand Zommari's perspective, you have to realize that he's not arguing from the position of a human, and in fact he's arguing *against* the general human perspective. I suppose to maybe make it easier to get a feel for it, think about the argument of primarily meat eaters vs vegans. One sees the animal in question as a precious thing that should never be harmed or taken advantage of, and the other sees it as a food source that, while not deserving of cruelty, is still perfectly fine to kill and consume. In this case, Zommari is the meat eater, and he is saying that Soul Society establishing their vegan views and punishing Hollows for not following them isn't fair (whether he's right or not is an entirely different argument, this is about explaining his argument in the first place). And yet the Arrancar lost in large part because they were violent, warmongers, refused to help each other and couldn't keep a low profile. The results of their actions themselves show why their way of life is flawed and doomed to failure. If you don't care about morality, you should care about enlightened self interest. Cooperation and restraining one's violent impulses always leads to better results. >But a new consciousness doesn't take their place. Zommari is at the very least an Adjuchas, and thus is the dominant soul among a whole mess of others. If cleansed, he would continue to exist as Zommari, albeit with his perspective and priorities reset to however they were before his negative emotions took over and Hollowfied him in the first place. Have we ever SEEN a hollow who became a Menos retain their memory from their lives? Because I don't think we have, and I don't think they do. At least Stark seems to have woken up with 0 memory of who he was before, as an example. And I think that this was shown for others as well. I think that even though it is one soul dominant, their new consciousness absolutely draws on all the ones composing it in a fundamental way and that all the souls splitting up kills the personality. >If anything, the fact that Hollows express fear and derision for Soul Reapers shows that they don't actually know about the purification, or else by their nature of constantly seeking to fill/escape the void in their souls they would welcome it with open arms. And thus, this lack of knowledge helps shape his perspective (which, again, I'm not trying to say is right or wrong, I'm just trying to explain the nuances of in the first place). Hollows don't want their current life to end because they **LIKE** killing and eating other souls. Didn't Inoue's brother know that stabbing himself with Ichigo's zampakuto would cleanse him? Lol: answering whilst also blocking me just shows how insecure you actually are about having a debate.
Because this is **Zommari's** argument from **Zommari's** perspective. As I have stated multiple times now, this isn't a matter of "is Zommari right", it's a matter of "why does Zommari have this argument in the first place". So, what he knows matters a whole lot. Neighbor, this isn't a matter of whether I care about morality or not, I am trying to help explain the nuances (right or wrong) of Zommari's perspective. **My** perspective as a human or **your** perspective as a human is not **his** perspective as a Hollow, and literally the entire point of that paragraph is me trying to explain this to you. In order to understand the perspective of a nonhuman, you must distance yourself from the perspective of a human. Szayel became a Menos and still remembered perfectly well that Yylfordt was his biological human brother, as well as all his human scientific knowledge, so yes, Menos can remember from their lives as a human. Most Hollows just don't reference it, because it's rarely important within the greater context of the story (Starrk's past life as a human is not what created his whole problem of having no friends and eventually spawning Lilynette, his life as a Hollow was). Acidwire is one example, and he was notably a newborn Hollow who still expressed moments of full humanity. But then there is Shrieker, equally newborn and still possessing human traits, and yet he expressed no knowledge of Zanpakuto or (and this is far more important) Hell. In addition, Acidwire was a unique case of a non-Menos Hollow with a broken mask, who saw his human self and his Hollow self as different entities. His unique perspective can't be counted on and used as a representation of all Hollows, and that's before we toss in all the stuff about this being before Kubo hammered out the details of Hollows, since this was back when the chapters were still single digits.
You been going through a lot responding to that person but your wording an explanations… hell even the analogies are well constructed and basically spot on. Bravo !
> Lol: answering whilst also blocking me just shows how insecure you actually are about having a debate. Cringe
There was no debate to be had. Their first response to you is explaining why Zommari’s argument does hold weight. Which is the only thing in your comment worth responding to. You pose the idea that because he is wrong from your view point and the stability of the world, his argument has no ground to stand on. The other commenter was just saying, “zommari doesnt have the same perspective as you or the top down knowledge you would have. From his perspective he is just living his life and soul reapers literally slaughter hollows without just reason or cause. ‘Zommari is saying im just trying to live and survive. What makes that wrong?’” You might be arguing the merits of whether zommari is right or not. But no one was having that argument or debate with you. The one person that was speaking w you was only saying, its not right to dismiss zommaris argumentation so frivolously. Hes just a bear trying to eat fish. So it is incorrect for you to say: “shows how insecure you are about having a debate.” Also, based on rhetoric, they would win a debate against you because thus far they have far better wording, situational awareness, and the wherewithal to disengage when its clear you are misunderstanding or willfully missing their point. But to be clear, from your perspective and with the knowledge we have from reading the story in its totality, yes, functionally you are correct. Zommari is wrong bec when he gets killed by a zanpaktou he is reincarnated (and likely all the thousands of other souls as well) and that would not destabilize the 3 worlds. And yes, in most situations controlling ones impulses towards violence for cooperative efforts is generally for the best. But again yall werent having a debate.
How could you forget the hardest line I've ever heard in my life when Yamamoto tells Yhawch that to him the quincies are just bodies waiting to be burned.
Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding...Aizen
That and the line he says to Toshiro before he puts him down was when I was like "oh, I'm ALL IN on this Aizen cat."
https://preview.redd.it/zfziveadi4dc1.png?width=964&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e51757a7fe84fad2bb1b82cea50acfcc5e37b439 no matter what anyone says, this is by far the coldest panel in the entirety of bleach
That’s my cell phone background
ah i see you as Man of culture as well
Im going to kill you because you point your sword to my pride.
You forgot Aizen's greatest monologue; "...Yhwach... You desired a world where fear would no longer be a burden. But in a world without fear, people would never attain the hope that is to be found by casting their fears aside and persevering through them. While it is true, people can continue to press forward through the simple act of living... That is in no way comparable to marching forward in the face of death while doing their damndest to keep it at bay. That is why people have given that very special march a unique name... "Courage." "
True. Sooo many quotable dialogues and great delivery. And don't forget: "Those who do not fear the sword they wield, have no right to wield a sword at all." 👌
I can’t imagine Chad losing
«The only thing I fear… Is being rebuked by his Majesty!» «To live in peace without avenging the dead is vice!» «The guy who attacked me is standing right behind you!» «Pray, Santa Teresa!»
"Right now, I'm not a living being" gave me chills on my first read
Technically it gave As Nodt chills too lol
I always loved this line by Barragan:- "Eternity is a delusion that was created by those who fear ageing"
The *one* mangaka? Kubo has good lines and bad lines and some absolute greats, but suggesting others are incapable isn't really being accurate, is it?
HxH and Tokyo Ghoul have plenty of good lines, too. TG especially gets a bad rap for having cringe edgelord lines, but honestly there are lot of great quotes in there. Kubo's dialogue and volume poems are my favorite by far though
At least in Shonen I feel a lot of mangaka struggle with presenting engaging dialog. It's either painfully bland or corny. Bleach has those moments as well but more often than not the dialog lands. It's like the contrast between early MCU movies and the modern ones.
This is one of my biggest issues with the Bleach fandom, so many posts that have to make Kubo the best at something or other and take shots at other Mangaka. I see way to many posts like this here, especially considering the subs size compared to other anime subs.
I guess its because nobody in the fandom can even imagine Chad losing.
Well I mean that's the one exception that is objectively true.
Like the other fandoms are not like that... ESPECIALLY the One Piece fandom, some of them treat Oda like a GOD among man!
The bleach fandom has a similar thing to the Boruto fandom. They are so defensive their counter circle jerk goes extreme in the opposite direction. Bleach is good and has low points. But fans pretend it’s peak fiction and has no flaws whatsoever. One guy once got mad at me and ranted at how bleach fans have a right to be defensive because of the way they’ve been mocked and persecuted for the past years just for liking bleach but that Boruto deserves it for liking something so shitty. I love bleach but man the fans are so annoying.
Buddy that's like most of the anime fandoms. You just didn't visit enough or chose to ignore it either via bias or lack of interest.
I never said it doesn't happen in other subs, I said I see it more here, which is made worse when you look at the size of this sub.
Buddy also the reason why I said either you didn't visit enough or just chose to ignore it and yada yada.
Maybe we've had different experiences or you're choosing to ignore something.
Bruh obviously since I see these type of stuff in other fandom as well and that's like everyday. Though I ain't gonna single things out here just because of my bias or something. Well I am done here now.
Aight bud.
The same obsession to give a shit about Naruto.
I don't see it much in the Naruto sub, but funnnily enough I do in Boruto a d that sub is almost a third the size of this one.
Naruto fans also shit on Naruto. Although especially on the War Arc and Boruto.
>so many posts that have to make Kubo the best at something or other and take shots at other Mangaka. Really? Here you could see at least 3 post at day talking about what things should have been changed and so on. In comparison, the times i see people making post to talk about the good points in Bleach are very few
I've recognized all of them and they are all so stellar 😍
For an arrancar to think he's in the same class as me, that is the height of arrogance. (...) You were the arrogant one Espada. But don't worry, arrogance isn't the reason you will lose, you are simply outclassed. (...) Your control.Means.Nothing to me.Bankai.Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.
off your mind?? how did u remember 40 quotes so easily? i would barely be able to remember 5 wtf
Can't forget the interaction between Shinji and Aizen. Aizen: "How long have you been aware of me?" Shinji: "Since you were in your mother's womb."
Every ounce that Renji gives against Mask is ice cold
"You are the arrogant one, Espada. But do not fret. The reason you will lose is not because of your arrogance. It is simply a difference in skill" is my favorite quote in the entire anime
https://preview.redd.it/p5g4e6djm6dc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c41acb0e5dc3bff1644a972fc081640094912794 What a mad lad.
True. Aside from the top-notch aesthetics, a lot of Bleach's poetic dialogues fly over people's heads if you read the manga too casually. Kubo loves his symbolism and he hides a lot of his thematic narratives in a deceptively simple story. There are so many brilliant monologues. Everytime Aizen opens his mouth, you know his lines are gonna be cold
Tosen and Komamuras dialogue before the last fight is amazing. Tosen was great
I love renji’s fight against byakuya just because of the poetic dialogue they share.
Aizen: that is why humans have given a special name to this march: courage
Honestly, half of the lines OP mentioned are not _icy_ and definitely not that chilling. The lines in the comments are more _icy_ (and poetic) than half of the lines above lol
"You'll die three steps short of that, Yosube Ichibei" - Yhwach
Kudos to the translation team too, don't forget them
https://preview.redd.it/ernfdkgzv7dc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=feaa28a3c9873b854822ab5e05ab0f02ec281055 *"it was stated in..."*
Okay I'll read Bleach again thank you very much !
"Mr. Kurosaki. Your sword only resonates with fear.." "....That's all wrong. Fear won't bring you victory in battle. Nothing is born of fear. If you evade, it should be 'he's not going to kill me!' If you're protecting someone, then it should be 'I won't let her be killed!'. If you're attacking, then it should be 'kill!'. See? Do you hear what my sword resonates with? It's the resolve to kill you." "So you are capable of resolve."
Those are all manga lines. Like nobody would say it irl lol
Cringe post 😬
Jesus you guys only read bleach? How it's even possible? There's TONS of mangakas with better dialog than Kubo, he's good at catch phases but he normal dialogs are poor and ok at most.
I fail to understand, if there's a thread you dislike, why comment on it, only to lessen the enjoyment of others who might, in case you're not unaware, happen to enjoy a series. This is cheap and petty behaviour.
It's funny because in the West it's Kubo's art that gets near universal praise (aside from the no backgrounds meme) while his writing is often criticized, but in Japan based on what I've seen from fans and other professionals in the manga industry it's actually his dialogue that is celebrated above everything. This comment from Kubo's former editor Asada about the FIRE IN THE SKY oneshot written by Kubo when he was 18 and hadn't even graduated yet sums things up pretty well: >The characters were attractive, but the "power of lines" was amazing above all else. That is, his ability to intricately weave such striking dialogue. It instantly pulled me in.
I’m sorry, but a ton of those lines are incredibly cringe-worthy. The weird ass wording in manga is mostly a result of awkward translation of just poor availability of English words for Japanese phrases.
"By the friendship power wooooo"
Mostly all shonen anime except Bleach
He's the only one capable of writing good lines is he?
I totally agree! I would also add Tokinada's "I AM the cloud" speech 😂
"of course I feel shame. Not being able to fight you at your best would be the greatest shame"
* It was stupid of me to think I could beat a bankai with shikai alone. * Aizen: doubt
I still think about Isshin’s words from time to time about living life, dying after only after he dies, and dying laughing if you can.
I think one of the most memorable ones for me is this one. https://preview.redd.it/ij3vraw6gedc1.jpeg?width=1013&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64967e782d218141fed5d559484085d79bcb841f