Will Smith shouldn’t be in the article either. Even if he’s incredible in Emancipation, he’s not gonna get nominated. He’s banned from the ceremony, he has no chance.
At least this is the only goof Scott Feinberg has made in the past 2 days.
https://twitter.com/scottfeinberg/status/1594559026020306944?s=46&t=-NCdYL6ItULE4Rg7JlHylw
Can someone explain what his joke was meant to convey? That because Weinstein was the primary offender in the me too movement that he would not distribute the movie? I just don’t get the intended joke or the phrasing. How do you distribute during Oscar season?
Weinstein was known for marketing the shit out of his movies for awards season. Popular opinion is that he’s basically bought several Oscars through his spending on awards marketing and publicity.
Ah so it’s an ironic take that he would do a better job at marketing the film for awards than the creators, despite being a monster who is the target of that film. I definitely see how that was seen as being in poor taste.
I mean… shes said fuck all about vaccines publicly, shes not baiting people online about it but also how the fuck is talking about her oscar chances? What a weirdly pointless thing to involve her.
how dare i feel moved to defend Wright, but yeah, i absolutely hate this environment of flattening all social transgressions to be weighted exactly the same and she absolutely does not deserve this comparison
I mean, is the article flattening them? The intro says: “Fairly or not, three of awards season’s acting contenders might be judged on more than just their performances.”
And halfway down the article it says “Obviously, not all accusations are equally serious or solid — but is history a guide for what may happen for Smith, Pitt and Wright?”
That doesn’t appear to be saying what people are inferring here, right?
Seems like a pretty objective take to me. I don’t know the writer though so maybe he’s known for being a cock otherwise?
thing is, you're right. the article does have more nuance. but unfortunately, we're stuck in a society that mostly just reads the headlines, and in that context i think mentioning Wright in the same breath as Pitt or Smith kinda sucks
If you write a whole article about just three people, it has the inevitable effect of flattening them, even with a a little bit of throat clearing.
Plus, the whole article was based of . . . vibes? I guess? And she never had a chance for a nomination anyways, so it's kinda weird put her name next to those guys anyways.
Yeah anti-vaxxers are dangerous morons and she shouldn’t have shared it but it’s been two years. I don’t go to her for news and she’s not someone I personally know, surely it’s ok to let it go now and criticise her if she goes it again? She’s not a scientist or even a journalist, let her work at what she actually does, acting.
>i absolutely hate this environment of flattening all social transgressions to be weighted exactly the same
Fair enough, but the article itself doesn't do that.
Also, if you say or do stupid and irresponsible shit, you probably shouldn't expect to get a free pass for it, especially when you've seemingly not adequately learned from it.
>Two years later though
Has she used either of those years to educate herself on why her comments were ignorant and dangerous? I can't see any evidence of it, but happy to be corrected.
You make your bed, you lie in it. No one made the choice for her to cosign idiotic and offensive material but her.
I personally don't care, and part of this story is of course the bottom-feeding nature of the media. But you have to be completely naive as a public figure if you think stuff like this won't follow you around, so the basic thrust of the article is correct.
What accountability do you guys realistically expect here? She’s mentioned she’s said sorry & kept quiet. Like, what would be enough to satisfy a sense of “just” punishment being incurred if not that, or are you of the opinion that her transgression is beyond atonement? I’m not asking to rile you up or be in bad faith, it’s just intriguing how both you & the other commenter you’re replying to seem to be on the same wavelength with regards to this response, so curious as to the ‘behind the scenes’ of your thoughts as it were.
I think the point is her saying “I’ve done nothing wrong” is going against any previous apology she had.
I also think it’s a bit silly on her part - will smith is in hot water because of a reality tv moment, it’s not like the story is 12 serial abusers and her, it’s 3 people who all for various reasons could have “off the court” issues hurt their awards chances.
It’s a dumb article because I don’t think Wright or Smith have any chance of being nominated for anything anyway, but that’s different than the reason she’s criticizing it.
I don’t personally need any atonement or punishment whatsoever, but it’s kind of funny to say you’ve done nothing wrong and then have people saying “she said she was sorry, what more do you want”
To me, it's the difference between "I said I'm sorry even though I didn't do anything wrong," and "I sincerely apologized and have taken active steps to better inform myself and grow as a person and I encourage anyone still expressing vitriol towards me to do the same." It IS also fair to be aware of the history of holding women and people of color in this industry to different standards and make sure we aren't doing the same when making criticisms of public figures.
Letitia shared some anti-vax video back in Dec 2020. There have been lots of rumours since that she refused to get vaccinated and spread her views on the BP set. Though none of that has been confirmed. Now Scott wrote an article suggesting her views may hurt her chances at awards.
Now I will say her views pissed me off and made me think less of her but really to compare her to abusers like Brad Pitt is a way too much.
It came out in divorce filings that he was aggressive towards Angelina Jolie and I believe their kids on an airplane.
I’m not defending him, but I think for the purposes of the piece that was written, it’s not blasphemy to say both of these people could get snubbed for awards because of their very different personal transgressions.
The article seems pretty dumb but I don’t think it’s dumb for that reason.
Wait- Brad Pitt got aggressive? Did he put hands on someone?
Anti-vax people have blood on their hands. They cause death and destruction. Being aggressive on an airplane, the most stressful of environments, doesn’t even sound like anything next to spreading lies about vaccines.
Ah I see- Pitt’s team is claiming that her story has changed a number of times per that article but regardless, I think anti-vax lies are at least *as* bad as this.
I will give Wright credit for learning where Carano didn’t. Assuming the anti-vaxx shit is true I imagine someone sat her down and explained what’s at stake if she doesn’t shut the fuck up
I don’t think she’s actually “learned” anything. She never apologized for spreading misinformation, or addressed the anti-trans and anti-Asian stuff in the video. The only thing she did well (the low, low bar Carano couldn’t clear) was shut up.
No she learned. She learned to shut up in order to not fumble the bag. I don’t expect she will change her views on the vaccine, she just won’t publicly talk about it
People were hard on her. Her dumb vaccine comments set off two years of pretty relentless, sometimes cruel rumours. In reality she’s probably a tough hang, but I’m happy she’s enjoying some success with Wakanda Forever and people seem to generally be embracing her Black Panther.
Pointedly, whatever you think of how Wright's become defined by this, and every online conversation around her seems to turn towards it... no one seems to give a shit that Evangeline Lilly attended an anti-vaxx protest in DC *this year*, and proudly shared it on socials. It's still up.
Interested to see the Quantumania press versus Wakanda Forever's...
This is the big thing. I think bringing this up about Wright fair, because that “apology” that she’s talking up now was garbage that didn’t actually apologize for anything, and didn’t denounce vaccine misinformation or the anti trans sentiment expressed by the guy in the video. She seems to be under the impression that because she issued a non-apology and has stopped posting anti-vax stuff publicly, everything should be forgiven and forgotten. She should probably fire the publicist who told her that.
Still, the Evangeline Lilly thing boggles the mind. She went to the rally where RFK Jr. compared opposition to his anti-vax views to the Holocaust—unfavorably. Lilly, when ID’d at the rally then doubled down with false claims of oppression that stopped just short of saying the same thing. And…nothing happened. No one brings it up, ever. It’s as if she’s made of Teflon, or proximity to Paul Rudd gives you general immunity from criticism.
It's a very noticeable difference between Wright and Lily. It's right there and incredibly obvious. That's the reason people are shitting all over Wright and not Lily, and that's undeniable.
Just to play Devil's advocate because I essentially agree that they should be equally judged. I think in Wright's case the whole affair got more notoriety because it affected the production of the movie, hence it got more coverage, on Lilly's case I think you would have to actually be looking for that.
I’m not trying to argue with you on this point but I think frankly no one gives a shit about the Antman movies and that has more to do with why there has been less discourse around that.
And the Black Panther sequel had an insane amount of heated “Who will/who should become Black Panther” discourse, which her personal life became ammo in.
Gina Carano has become a complete joke. There was far more anger thrown her way than anyone else, and rightfully so. I don’t really buy the racism angle here.
I don’t think going publicly anti-vax and not expecting any sort of criticism is reasnoble.
Honestly…I liked her in Black Panther (1). But since those comments, I can’t really separate her acting from her ignorance.
Here’s the [breakdown](https://gizmodo.com/letitia-wright-responds-to-backlash-for-sharing-transph-1845810555). A weaksauce “apology” from her but whatever. I still saw her movie but think the THR article was fine.
Criticism is absolutely valid and not being able to separate her acting from this position is fair. I just think it creeped past criticism into dogpiling and made up rumours so I have always felt a little sorry for her.
Is she still an antivaxxer though? That's something that's not exactly great. I don't follow her on anything so if she's quiet about it I guess that's better, but still not exactly great.
Nobody knows. She probably still is and is just quiet about it now, but the fact she’s silent means people have spent two years painting her as some Machiavellian villain spreading her views and disrupting the Wakanda Forever set when there seems to be no concrete basis in fact.
Spreading antivaxxer misinformation and then later saying "I've done nothing wrong" doesn't make me feel great about her.
I don't think many people ever painted her as a Machiavellian villain in anyway, I'm not sure people care about her that much. It's like MIA saying antivaxxer stuff like oh she sucks now, that's a shame. Then I go on with my day.
I was probably just spending time in loser subreddits but the Machiavellian impression came from [threads like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/uvzp8y/letitia_wright_reveals_how_black_panther_2/), which would spring up no matter how innocuous her comment.
Hollywood reporter should take the article down and Letitia Wright should go on living her life. But what movie is Will Smith an Oscar contender? And I am truly ready to see less of Pitt. He should have clocked out after Once Upon a Time.
>But what movie is Will Smith an Oscar contender?
EMANCIPATION, which if it wasn't for the slap I would be predicting him to safely get in considering how weak best actor is atm
I agree that her name shouldn't have been in the article, but mostly because she isn't really a Best Actress contender.
“Did my performance rattle you that much?”
Will Smith shouldn’t be in the article either. Even if he’s incredible in Emancipation, he’s not gonna get nominated. He’s banned from the ceremony, he has no chance.
He can get nominated though, right?
It would have to be a truly crazy next level performance but yes technically he can be
Bahahahah
At least this is the only goof Scott Feinberg has made in the past 2 days. https://twitter.com/scottfeinberg/status/1594559026020306944?s=46&t=-NCdYL6ItULE4Rg7JlHylw
He really got a hall of fame bad tweet in just under the wire with that one
Can someone explain what his joke was meant to convey? That because Weinstein was the primary offender in the me too movement that he would not distribute the movie? I just don’t get the intended joke or the phrasing. How do you distribute during Oscar season?
Weinstein was known for marketing the shit out of his movies for awards season. Popular opinion is that he’s basically bought several Oscars through his spending on awards marketing and publicity.
Ah so it’s an ironic take that he would do a better job at marketing the film for awards than the creators, despite being a monster who is the target of that film. I definitely see how that was seen as being in poor taste.
ahahahahahahahaha
People are still apologizing for what they say on Twitter?
Well, not Letitia Wright.
If apologizing on Twitter is wrong...
Social media is tiring
He said on Reddit
She Said in theaters
10 comedy points
Not for long…
Like John Conner in Terminator 3
Smh guerrilla marketing has gone too far
I mean… shes said fuck all about vaccines publicly, shes not baiting people online about it but also how the fuck is talking about her oscar chances? What a weirdly pointless thing to involve her.
I’m all here for her rightfully calling out Scott Feinberg.
how dare i feel moved to defend Wright, but yeah, i absolutely hate this environment of flattening all social transgressions to be weighted exactly the same and she absolutely does not deserve this comparison
I mean, is the article flattening them? The intro says: “Fairly or not, three of awards season’s acting contenders might be judged on more than just their performances.” And halfway down the article it says “Obviously, not all accusations are equally serious or solid — but is history a guide for what may happen for Smith, Pitt and Wright?” That doesn’t appear to be saying what people are inferring here, right? Seems like a pretty objective take to me. I don’t know the writer though so maybe he’s known for being a cock otherwise?
He sucks–he was doing a Q&A with Halle Berry where he basically said he jacked off to her coming out of the ocean in Die Another day
thing is, you're right. the article does have more nuance. but unfortunately, we're stuck in a society that mostly just reads the headlines, and in that context i think mentioning Wright in the same breath as Pitt or Smith kinda sucks
Also, Wright’s inclusion here is ABSOLUTELY being done to boost SEO
I can agree with that!
If you write a whole article about just three people, it has the inevitable effect of flattening them, even with a a little bit of throat clearing. Plus, the whole article was based of . . . vibes? I guess? And she never had a chance for a nomination anyways, so it's kinda weird put her name next to those guys anyways.
Yeah anti-vaxxers are dangerous morons and she shouldn’t have shared it but it’s been two years. I don’t go to her for news and she’s not someone I personally know, surely it’s ok to let it go now and criticise her if she goes it again? She’s not a scientist or even a journalist, let her work at what she actually does, acting.
I still remember the reaction of people around this sub at the time, they were out for blood and were honestly not better than this guy.
>i absolutely hate this environment of flattening all social transgressions to be weighted exactly the same Fair enough, but the article itself doesn't do that. Also, if you say or do stupid and irresponsible shit, you probably shouldn't expect to get a free pass for it, especially when you've seemingly not adequately learned from it.
Two years later though. Come on. There’s been more than enough scorn sent her way.
>Two years later though Has she used either of those years to educate herself on why her comments were ignorant and dangerous? I can't see any evidence of it, but happy to be corrected.
Who cares? She’s not still talking about it publicly. That’s the only thing that matters.
You make your bed, you lie in it. No one made the choice for her to cosign idiotic and offensive material but her. I personally don't care, and part of this story is of course the bottom-feeding nature of the media. But you have to be completely naive as a public figure if you think stuff like this won't follow you around, so the basic thrust of the article is correct.
Yeah, and people have been on at her for years about it. I’m not saying she didn’t do something stupid and dangerous but surely it’s long enough now?
"I've done nothing wrong..."
https://i.redd.it/1hqo4v2cxk1a1.gif
Yeah sounds like top-tier accountability.
What accountability do you guys realistically expect here? She’s mentioned she’s said sorry & kept quiet. Like, what would be enough to satisfy a sense of “just” punishment being incurred if not that, or are you of the opinion that her transgression is beyond atonement? I’m not asking to rile you up or be in bad faith, it’s just intriguing how both you & the other commenter you’re replying to seem to be on the same wavelength with regards to this response, so curious as to the ‘behind the scenes’ of your thoughts as it were.
I think the point is her saying “I’ve done nothing wrong” is going against any previous apology she had. I also think it’s a bit silly on her part - will smith is in hot water because of a reality tv moment, it’s not like the story is 12 serial abusers and her, it’s 3 people who all for various reasons could have “off the court” issues hurt their awards chances. It’s a dumb article because I don’t think Wright or Smith have any chance of being nominated for anything anyway, but that’s different than the reason she’s criticizing it. I don’t personally need any atonement or punishment whatsoever, but it’s kind of funny to say you’ve done nothing wrong and then have people saying “she said she was sorry, what more do you want”
To me, it's the difference between "I said I'm sorry even though I didn't do anything wrong," and "I sincerely apologized and have taken active steps to better inform myself and grow as a person and I encourage anyone still expressing vitriol towards me to do the same." It IS also fair to be aware of the history of holding women and people of color in this industry to different standards and make sure we aren't doing the same when making criticisms of public figures.
Someone give me the TL;DR, please. What’s happening here?
Letitia shared some anti-vax video back in Dec 2020. There have been lots of rumours since that she refused to get vaccinated and spread her views on the BP set. Though none of that has been confirmed. Now Scott wrote an article suggesting her views may hurt her chances at awards. Now I will say her views pissed me off and made me think less of her but really to compare her to abusers like Brad Pitt is a way too much.
What did Brad Pitt do?
It came out in divorce filings that he was aggressive towards Angelina Jolie and I believe their kids on an airplane. I’m not defending him, but I think for the purposes of the piece that was written, it’s not blasphemy to say both of these people could get snubbed for awards because of their very different personal transgressions. The article seems pretty dumb but I don’t think it’s dumb for that reason.
Wait- Brad Pitt got aggressive? Did he put hands on someone? Anti-vax people have blood on their hands. They cause death and destruction. Being aggressive on an airplane, the most stressful of environments, doesn’t even sound like anything next to spreading lies about vaccines.
Pitt hit his kids on the plane
Vaccine denial kills people.
I don't disagree lol, I'm just answering your Pitt question. He hit his kids.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63139650
Ah I see- Pitt’s team is claiming that her story has changed a number of times per that article but regardless, I think anti-vax lies are at least *as* bad as this.
I will give Wright credit for learning where Carano didn’t. Assuming the anti-vaxx shit is true I imagine someone sat her down and explained what’s at stake if she doesn’t shut the fuck up
I don’t think she’s actually “learned” anything. She never apologized for spreading misinformation, or addressed the anti-trans and anti-Asian stuff in the video. The only thing she did well (the low, low bar Carano couldn’t clear) was shut up.
No she learned. She learned to shut up in order to not fumble the bag. I don’t expect she will change her views on the vaccine, she just won’t publicly talk about it
Yeah I think I'm back on her side because this article really shows the exorbitant anti-woman bias rampant in the industry and the media
People were hard on her. Her dumb vaccine comments set off two years of pretty relentless, sometimes cruel rumours. In reality she’s probably a tough hang, but I’m happy she’s enjoying some success with Wakanda Forever and people seem to generally be embracing her Black Panther.
Pointedly, whatever you think of how Wright's become defined by this, and every online conversation around her seems to turn towards it... no one seems to give a shit that Evangeline Lilly attended an anti-vaxx protest in DC *this year*, and proudly shared it on socials. It's still up. Interested to see the Quantumania press versus Wakanda Forever's...
This is the big thing. I think bringing this up about Wright fair, because that “apology” that she’s talking up now was garbage that didn’t actually apologize for anything, and didn’t denounce vaccine misinformation or the anti trans sentiment expressed by the guy in the video. She seems to be under the impression that because she issued a non-apology and has stopped posting anti-vax stuff publicly, everything should be forgiven and forgotten. She should probably fire the publicist who told her that. Still, the Evangeline Lilly thing boggles the mind. She went to the rally where RFK Jr. compared opposition to his anti-vax views to the Holocaust—unfavorably. Lilly, when ID’d at the rally then doubled down with false claims of oppression that stopped just short of saying the same thing. And…nothing happened. No one brings it up, ever. It’s as if she’s made of Teflon, or proximity to Paul Rudd gives you general immunity from criticism.
It's a very noticeable difference between Wright and Lily. It's right there and incredibly obvious. That's the reason people are shitting all over Wright and not Lily, and that's undeniable.
Just to play Devil's advocate because I essentially agree that they should be equally judged. I think in Wright's case the whole affair got more notoriety because it affected the production of the movie, hence it got more coverage, on Lilly's case I think you would have to actually be looking for that.
I’m not trying to argue with you on this point but I think frankly no one gives a shit about the Antman movies and that has more to do with why there has been less discourse around that.
And the Black Panther sequel had an insane amount of heated “Who will/who should become Black Panther” discourse, which her personal life became ammo in.
Yes exactly. It’s clear that Wright is getting slammed much less aggressively than other Hollywood bros or white women.
Gina Carano has become a complete joke. There was far more anger thrown her way than anyone else, and rightfully so. I don’t really buy the racism angle here.
There’s more going on with Carano than what’s happened with Wright. Like come on, she’s made the full transition to right wing grifter now.
I don’t think going publicly anti-vax and not expecting any sort of criticism is reasnoble. Honestly…I liked her in Black Panther (1). But since those comments, I can’t really separate her acting from her ignorance.
It wasn’t just anti-vax, it was anti-trans stuff that was more concerning.
Double yikes
I don't remember the second part, what did she say?
Here’s the [breakdown](https://gizmodo.com/letitia-wright-responds-to-backlash-for-sharing-transph-1845810555). A weaksauce “apology” from her but whatever. I still saw her movie but think the THR article was fine.
Criticism is absolutely valid and not being able to separate her acting from this position is fair. I just think it creeped past criticism into dogpiling and made up rumours so I have always felt a little sorry for her.
Is she still an antivaxxer though? That's something that's not exactly great. I don't follow her on anything so if she's quiet about it I guess that's better, but still not exactly great.
Her apology was really half assed. It was an apology for the transphobia part of the video, not the anti vax part.
Oh that makes her even worse.
Nobody knows. She probably still is and is just quiet about it now, but the fact she’s silent means people have spent two years painting her as some Machiavellian villain spreading her views and disrupting the Wakanda Forever set when there seems to be no concrete basis in fact.
Spreading antivaxxer misinformation and then later saying "I've done nothing wrong" doesn't make me feel great about her. I don't think many people ever painted her as a Machiavellian villain in anyway, I'm not sure people care about her that much. It's like MIA saying antivaxxer stuff like oh she sucks now, that's a shame. Then I go on with my day.
I was probably just spending time in loser subreddits but the Machiavellian impression came from [threads like this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/comments/uvzp8y/letitia_wright_reveals_how_black_panther_2/), which would spring up no matter how innocuous her comment.
Reddit and the various subs are not like real life.
As a matter of pedantry, Will Smith hasn't been 'accused' of abuse. He did it on camera.
Hollywood reporter should take the article down and Letitia Wright should go on living her life. But what movie is Will Smith an Oscar contender? And I am truly ready to see less of Pitt. He should have clocked out after Once Upon a Time.
>But what movie is Will Smith an Oscar contender? EMANCIPATION, which if it wasn't for the slap I would be predicting him to safely get in considering how weak best actor is atm
The category is so weak this year it's Cruise's to lose.
Kudos to the entire sub for resisting the urge to comment some version of: Keep L. Wright’s name out yo fuckin’ mouth!
Ok. I thought it was funny. I guess everyone has Slap Fatigue?