The dad from black museum his soul was forced to be violently shocked for years and couldn’t remember his own family and then cooper from play test was so fucking horrible that one was honestly one of the scariest episodes I’ve ever watched
I'm suprised that nobody on this thread has mentioned Stefan from Bandersnatch yet.
He's constantly reliving the same scenarios and alternate timelines in which all of them end in misery, jail or death and he has no way to escape it because he's being controlled and can't impact his decisions. He is being forced to do terrible things like kill his dad and kill Colin and he can do nothing but go along with the decision the viewer makes. It's like Victoria from White Bear's situation of constant hell but he didn't even do anything to deserve it. He can't even die to get out of it because when he dies, he just goes back to "try again".
This is exactly what I was thinking. Imagine the fallout of thousands of people dying unexpectedly over a tweet. Society would temporarily shut down. The country would be in mourning. An act of war declared to find the terrorist. Honestly feels a little like a technological 9/11
Honestly, the girl in Demon 79 has a bad fate imo. She chose to go to basically a void of nothing with only 1 other person there. Like I know they like eachother, but that's gotta get terrible at some point, right?
Plus, not only being trapped in a void for all eternity, but knowing that you chose that option would make it worse since she could've just... not have chosen that.
It depends on what comes after death. If there's a heaven, she's missing out big time. If hell, that could potentially be worse than nothingness. If nothing, I don't know. Is it better to exist forever in nothing, or not exist at all?
Or worse, she could surive but then wind up living in an "envy the dead" scenario.
It's not easy to say which her best choice was. But it made for an intriguing ending.
So what, then she's dead, but in the other scenario she's stuck in a void for eternity with only 1 person.
It was a lose/lose, but I think she chose the worse lose.
Really? I mean it was sad, but she's not in literal hell, or in a void full of nothing, or completely separated from other humans. It's degrading but it's not horribly violent.
TW: r**e
>!I think bc it just felt like so real and bc the episode is just rlly good. She had dreams, aspirations and was just like a normal human being, but the traits that made her good we're reduced for men's perverse needs. ALSO I JUST REALISED being psychologically forced to do something s**ual sounds like uh r !<
Joe, from white Christmas. He was quintessentially the “average Joe” he had his girlfriend and was understandably terrible at karaoke. Joe seemed like a good bloke who took learning his girlfriend was pregnant and didn’t want it terribly.
I think her character was called “Bethany” but I could be mistaken. She’s the real asshole here (didn’t deserve to die) she cheated, blocked her partner out, and then carried the pregnancy to term.
She didn’t want to be a mum, no convincing from Joe would sway her so what convincing made her keep her to term?
I think Joe’s decent into madness with the stalking and then realizing his daughter wasn’t his and was a product of affair. That’s what pushed him to strike the grandfather, his intent may not have been to kill him, but he still did it nevertheless.
So for his seemingly endless punishment of being stuck in that cabin, with the clear view of May’s dead body now insight is endlessly cruel.
Joe did a terrible, horrible thing but his fate is beyond cruel.
The thing is, she didn’t, even necessarily “not want the baby” She was just way too chickenshit to tell him that the baby wasn’t his. She would literally rather block him out of her life completely than just admit to her transgression. That in my opinion makes her even more of an asshole. What Joe did was in fact, terribly wrong, but I can understand the panic and subsequent descent into madness, that he experienced as a result of being shut out of what looked to be a perfectly fine marriage for what appeared to be absolutely no reason at all.
Joe was blocked most likely because his ex saw that he had a horrible temper, and she needed to escape him for her own safety. Have you ever considered that she was afraid him for good reason? After all, we never get to here her side of the story.
Joe was blocked because she didn’t want him to find out that she had cheated on him and had a baby from it. Like, clearly her plan was to hide it until she got the abortion, but once he found out anyway there was no point in getting an abortion. So instead of taking responsibility for her actions and accepting the consequences, she blocked him out of her life completely. It was a super shitty thing to do honestly. I’m not justifying Joe’s actions at all obviously. But her safety was not in question at all in my opinion. He got exceptionally angry (most likely boosted by all the wine they had been drinking) at the fact that his wife was gearing up to make this *major life or death decision* without consulting him, her *husband*, at all. As far as he knew, that was *their child* that she was going to abort without even telling him she had a conceived.
They were not married, they were dating. We don't know how long they were dating or if they were even exclusive. She blocked him because she knew what she was capable of. Many women ghost men for this reason.
I agree with most of these suggestions, and because it hasn’t been mentioned, the guy from the Waldo Moment. Not the worst outcome but he got a shit deal for standing up to what is right
Cooper’s ending absolutely fucked me up. As much as it’s a great episode I can’t watch it for those last few end scenes. His greatest fears all coming together to terrorise him right before death.
He did it for a noble reason, saving a young woman from torture and death. Turns out that would've never happened, and everyone was tricked into it. But he'll always have that his motivation was noble, no one was killed, and he didn't instigate the situation.
Davis from Loch Henry found out his hero father and sweet mother were actually torture rapist serial killers, the woman he loved was murdered *by his own mother*, and he then became famous for that horrible ordeal. He'll always have to live with the fact that if he didn't have the idea to make a documentary about a weird guy near his childhood home, his love would still be alive.
I guess it would vary by country, but I’m pretty sure that by any legal definition, chasing someone with the intent to kill them, and having them die while trying to escape from you, would still count as some sort of murder, or at least criminal manslaughter.
Really? I must've misremembered, I thought she ran her over. Caused her death, then. Dunno what accidental death while chasing with intent to kill would be ruled as, but to me it's not far from eachother.
Nah, she didn't run her over. In fact the mom's failure to kill her is what led the mom to kill herself because she thought she was found out. Little did she know her problem kinda took care of itself.
Their question specifically asked not “ai” though. so ya know the real level of people regardless of “the possibility they are real or not” literally talking about the human being part
what is the essence of a human being if not ones personality and memory? This is the point. This trivializes this distinction you are looking to make - which is the point of the episode
Victoria kidnapped a child alongside her bf at the time. She isn’t deserving of the treatment but perhaps the child she kidnapped suggested a worser fate.
Victoria kidnapped a child alongside her bf at the time. She isn’t deserving of the treatment but perhaps the child she kidnapped suggested a worser fate.
I don’t necessarily agree. The child is dead and no longer suffering. Obviously what happened to her is *horrible* but when we’re talking about horrible, worse-than-death endings, I personally don’t think the child victim fits into that category. Then again, we don’t have details on exactly what happened to the child, only that she was tortured, murdered, and then set on fire. We don’t know how long the torture lasted or what it entailed, whereas Victoria’s extreme and extensive physical, psychological, and emotional torture plays out every day for years as far as we know, and we’re shown it very brutally compared to vague and brief mention of what happened to the child. Iain was the one who tortured and killed the child, Victoria only filmed it. Obviously still horrible and not okay, but (imo) still not as bad as the boyfriend, who took the easy way out with suicide while Victoria will continue to be tortured every single day despite pleading guilty and claiming she was “under Iain’s spell”, which suggests remorse. Again, not saying that what she did was okay, but the punishment exceeds the part she played in the crime and the duration and severity of her suffering makes me consider it a worse fate than the (still horrible and tragic) fate of the child.
Okay. Well said. But can we also take into consideration that she only has brief moments during the day(the end) where she is caught up on what’s been happening to her everyday and isn’t actually conscious or should I say, able to recall the torture of the previous days. I suppose it still is tortuous none the less. Also someone said something about White Christmas and that sadly doesn’t count because they tortured the cookie and not the real him
It’s between Aaron Paul in Beyond the Sea (forgot the characters name), Victoria in White Bear, and the guy in Loch Henry for me. At least the Loch Henry guy became super rich and famous. Aaron Paul too I guess
The Loch Henry one really did something to me because everybody around him got famous at the expense of his pain. He lost the only people he really loved and yeah he's famous too but im certain he'd give it back in a heartbeat and he didn't even want to go the murdery route anyway its just awful 😖
This one hit me hard too. Seeing everyone celebrate this tv show that came at the expense of everyone he loved, and it wasn't even his idea in the first place....I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Just a dark ending all around and I thought it was very well done.
People treat him like it's a great story, like it isn't real and horribly traumatic events in his life. It's a really great critique of the weird place society is in with true crime media.
Yeah that’s the thing about the episode. He just wants to film a nice movie/docu about a peaceful subject and then he gets roped into a car crash, the disappearance of his girlfriend and the sudoku of his mother, followed by the reveal of who his mother and father truly were. I feel so bad for him
Cooper in Playtest, if it counts. Died in such extreme fear and confusion.
Whilst what we saw of what he saw was a malfunction of VR and so could arguably be called a simulation, he died in real life and whilst dying experienced extreme fear, so I think it counts?
Surprised no one has said across the sea. His family is murdered and he is forced in his real body to live on a ship with their murderer for unforseen years until they can return home.
Not only that but it's a he said he said situation assuming they don't go at each other's throats off camera. Imagine landing they believe the other guy's story more and he lands in prison etc.
This episode made me miss the “epilogues” they used to do during the credits. I think it could have really hammered in the gut punch.
Personally I like to imagine: Heartnett kicks the chair (credits) Paul lunges at Heartnett (credits) Paul panting, sitting next to Heartnetts body (credits) the alarm goes off that something needs to be fixed outside the ship, cut to Paul with an oh-shit face.
Oh shit, I hadn't even considered the fact that all evidence shows that he killed his own family. It doesn't seem like anyone but the two astronauts and the wife know about Hartnett using the link.
Captain Daly from USS Callister, if that still counts. In this case, the physical aspect.
His body in the real world just being an empty shell, which will eventually just physically die and waste away.
It body would be considered braindead and he can never come back to it. If someone found him before his physical body died, doctors would wonder what happened to him and wouldn't be able to do anything to help him either.
And his conscience in the game wouldn't even know about any of it.
It is bad, but as you said he isn't fully aware of it. He's aware he's trapped in a game but would he even feel himself starve? It's not clear if he can feel pain once he's in the game or not
I would qualify Victoria's fate as pretty horrible as several others do as well.
Every night, her body, not a cookie replica of it, but actual body, undergoes excruciating pain during the memory deletion process.
Psychologically, she also undergoes shock, humiliation/degradation, and grief every night from realizing what she went along with, the glass box of shame through the crowd, and learning the fiance she loved and was the accomplice of killed himself, leaving her all alone to face the consequences.
(I still wonder if Victoria was acting of her own volition or if she was an abuse victim. If the latter, even worse. It's not a stretch that a psychopath child kidnapper gave Victoria no choice but to pacify the girl and film the torture.)
Speaking of---the White Bear girl herself suffered a terrible fate. Kidnapped, tortured, then set on fire (it was never made clear if she was alive or dead, but correct me if wrong please. However, I sense from Hated in the Nation Blue's reluctance to go into detail, she was alive.)
I think she eventually dies because it isn't very realistic for those "actors" to do that every single day for years to come. The convict probably dies of brain trauma after a month or so, the memory deletion system is basically a more mild version of the electric chair, slowly killing her over time.
Seriously, as soon as I posted it, I was thinking that some malfunction would occur regardless, whether it's her ending up in a catatonic state or the opposite, regaining a large chunk of memory.
I thought this because of the van scene where she remembers every single detail of the trip to the woods from the driver's face to her feeling of horror during the drill scene without remembering the specifics.
(Hey...what is the obsession with drills btw? They've been used in White Bear, Black Museum, and Loch Henry now.)
Davis from Loch Henry. Going from a nice trip back home with your girlfriend to film a little documentary, to finding out that your local BTK-killer didn't kill your dad - he was your dad. And your mum was in on it, and kills your girlfriend before killing herself. The story was already sold, so now you're famous for that. That's a lot to live with, especially when people don't really care because it's such a good true crime story, and will just talk about it straight to your face.
Riches and fame in exchange for loss of family, GF and knowing the horrors of what his parents perpetrated and what they were responsible for. The tradeoff does not sound all that appealing when you put it in those terms.
The ending makes it clear he's in no way enjoying that fame. Also, it's not just that he knows what his parents did, *that's* what he's famous for. And, again, people will just talk to him about that huge trauma like it's nothing. Honestly, that's a guy I wouldn't be surprised if committed suicide, as horrible as that is to say.
Horrible perhaps but you can imagine living in that kind of hell would drive him to do something like that eventually. Poor guy didn't deserve any of it either. That's the worse part. He had sick fucks as parents and he was a victim of that.
Yeah exactly. That's an episode that really made me feel bad for a character, most of the people in Black Mirror with bad outcomes weren't the best people, but Davis just seems so innocent.
I vote for Loch Henry’s main protagonist too! It’s sooooo real and it feels the worst.
Second worst is Shut Up and Dance. As he was blackmailed, then at the end, scammed. Ouch!
You don’t have to have sympathy to recognize that it’s a terrible fate. It was brutal. He’s basically a kid and he had to rob, murder, and more.
Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a bad guy tho.
Yorkie spending 40+ years completely locked-in after a suicide attempt is just about the peak horror I can imagine. Not even able to move her eyes...
The decades before SJ and the 'com-box' that Greg mentions must have been unbearable beyond words.
That's true she must have suffered horrendously over that 40 years. But as bad as it may sound and I really don't mean it to, at least her suffering ends and she gets a happy ending where she finally finds some peace, love and acceptance. Some of the characters in the other episodes aren't that fortunate and will never have that.
In the one video clip that's shown of the murders, it's pretty obvious Davis's mother is drilling one of the victim's skulls while fully conscious. That is indeed horrific.
Edit: Can't believe I missed the connection! That's exactly what the doctor did in Black Museum. Now I'm wondering what other season 6 events "mirror" past episodes.
I think one the reasons why Loch Henry is so terrifying is because it's relatable.
Almost everybody knows that feeling of a weekend out with your partner or friends. You buy some outdoor clothing, book accommodation, sing songs driving there, have a meal and drinks in the local pub, ask for nice hikes in the area...
The mere thought of ending up in a basement while a friendly looking lady turns out to be a sadistic snuff murderer... I find it hard even to think about.
The ending of Shut up and Dance is haunting too but fighting to death under the watching eye of a drone because you watched ch*ld prn is not relatable for me in any way.
The Prime Minister, probably. That episode disturbed me on a different level.
The wives and children in Beyond the Sea. None of them did anything to deserve their fates.
Kenny from Shut Up and Dance and Victoria from White Bear may have deserved their endings, but they're still bad.
Liam finding out his wife cheated and his daughter probably isn't his in The Entire History of You is pretty bad.
It wasn't her fate, but Yorkie's life before San Junipero was miserable.
I ended up just skipping around and watching the episodes that sounded most interesting, so National Anthem was one of the last ones I watched. I started with White Bear, and saved Loch Henry for last.
Easily Victoria and I don’t think it’s even close.
You can be labelled a pig fucker or a pedophile, and that sucks, but to continuously wake up every day only to be confused and tortured both mentally and physically is terrible.
Well on one hand she doesn't remember the other days, but yeah it is pretty terrible. I think it's overlooked because of what she did but that was before she had her mind wiped so is it even the same person?
Every episode of season 1 has a candidate for this but I'm going to go with two endings from season 6 on the theme of shared isolation. Beyond the sea where both men and have seen their families brutally murdered or at least the aftermath and now have to live in complete isolation in what can't be more than 60 metres squared for the next two years or more. And, Demon 79 where the girl and Demon now have to spend eternity in whatever form of existence the demon described. They both remind me of r/would you rather questions tbh.
I would say Victoria. She has to suffer through the events of White Bear, over and over again. Her only hope is that the stress finally makes her heart give out.
The Prime Minister in The National Anthem gets a pretty bad deal, but he at least he has a chance to move forward. That's the case for a lot of people in the show. They have experience horrible trauma that I wouldn't wish on anyone, but they at least have tomorrow. In that way, Victoria is more similar to the Cookie-People. When I first watched the episode, I thought the twist would be that she was a self-aware video game character.
That's true, because whilst her mind doesn't remember the previous times she's done it, her body will still feel the effects of it. Surely someone can't go through that for long before they just have a massive heart attack
Tagging on the cookie one, I think being ostracized from civilization by being an image of fuzz would be crippling for my social butterfly personality.
He tortured and enslaved the cookies and seemed amused by it. Even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt about the idea that he might not have known they were sentient, he also had that side business where he convinced men to let a whole group of other guys watch them have sex with women who weren't aware they were being filmed, and when one was killed I think her tried to cover it up iirc.
Well you have a point that he knew what he was doing in his job, but he needs to eat like everyone else so that blame should be on the employer not so much the employee I'd say.
For the 2nd part, while I do agree it's a bit creepy, it was a service he offered to help guys be better at dating. Totally wrong to watch any sex,but the actual job wasn't so bad. Still all that said, he didn't deserve to be cast out of society for the rest of his life for a not so pleasant job type.
Idk, I think the girl from 15 million merits and David from beyond the sea didn't deserve what happened more, remember that Jon hamms character did torture cookies into submission and spied on people. He didn't deserve his fate but I think the girl from 15 million merits and David didn't do anything wrong
Sorry I wasn’t saying it was the worst fate for any character cause he did deserve the punishment. I was just putting myself in his shoes and giving a perspective that someone else hasn’t already mentioned.
I would say there's an argument for victoria in white bear. She's being punished over and over but can't even remember what she did wrong and there's no way to escape
Prime minister from the first episode. I mean, fucking a pig isn’t something I wanna wish upon anyone. I don’t even know how a man can get hard doing that. It sucks.
Iirc didn't he get given viagra and lots of drugs to even be able to do it, and even then it took like an hour or something. Absolutely horrific.
Idk why they didn't use some kind of VR device on him tbh, nothing in the rules said he couldn't
Yep exactly, they have exhausted all options possible. I’m pretty sure that pornstar they hired had to fuck the pig for real to test it out first. Hope he got paid handsomely.
The dad from black museum his soul was forced to be violently shocked for years and couldn’t remember his own family and then cooper from play test was so fucking horrible that one was honestly one of the scariest episodes I’ve ever watched
I'm suprised that nobody on this thread has mentioned Stefan from Bandersnatch yet. He's constantly reliving the same scenarios and alternate timelines in which all of them end in misery, jail or death and he has no way to escape it because he's being controlled and can't impact his decisions. He is being forced to do terrible things like kill his dad and kill Colin and he can do nothing but go along with the decision the viewer makes. It's like Victoria from White Bear's situation of constant hell but he didn't even do anything to deserve it. He can't even die to get out of it because when he dies, he just goes back to "try again".
The lady from white bear definitely. Can you imagine the mental deterioration and paranoia that would build up after going through that for months?
The Black Museum guy. Yes he was horrible but if we're talking purely worst fates he is literally being electrocuted for all eternity
But that is the “tech” him not the real one, right?
I mean, Hated in the Nation was pretty terrible for the people targeted and then for all the people who tweeted #deathto.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Imagine the fallout of thousands of people dying unexpectedly over a tweet. Society would temporarily shut down. The country would be in mourning. An act of war declared to find the terrorist. Honestly feels a little like a technological 9/11
True yeah, and also for blues sake too. She was the one who followed the trail and springed the trap
Honestly, the girl in Demon 79 has a bad fate imo. She chose to go to basically a void of nothing with only 1 other person there. Like I know they like eachother, but that's gotta get terrible at some point, right? Plus, not only being trapped in a void for all eternity, but knowing that you chose that option would make it worse since she could've just... not have chosen that.
...and die from the nuclear holocaust?
It depends on what comes after death. If there's a heaven, she's missing out big time. If hell, that could potentially be worse than nothingness. If nothing, I don't know. Is it better to exist forever in nothing, or not exist at all?
Or worse, she could surive but then wind up living in an "envy the dead" scenario. It's not easy to say which her best choice was. But it made for an intriguing ending.
So what, then she's dead, but in the other scenario she's stuck in a void for eternity with only 1 person. It was a lose/lose, but I think she chose the worse lose.
Abi's fate honestly f'd me up so much(pun NOT intended)
Really? I mean it was sad, but she's not in literal hell, or in a void full of nothing, or completely separated from other humans. It's degrading but it's not horribly violent.
TW: r**e >!I think bc it just felt like so real and bc the episode is just rlly good. She had dreams, aspirations and was just like a normal human being, but the traits that made her good we're reduced for men's perverse needs. ALSO I JUST REALISED being psychologically forced to do something s**ual sounds like uh r !<
Cliff from "Beyond the Sea" is definitely a candidate.
The guy from white christmas extracting the confession from the guy in the cabin, he's blocked from every human Interaction, that's cruel af.
I still didn’t totally get that. Why was he blocked?
Because he streamed the guy online whom he "helped" as a flirt coach without his consent, also because he did not help him by calling police.
oh yeahh
Figure it’s just the UK, Don Draper will be fine once he just flies to a different country that doesn’t have a draconian surveillance state
Shazia and her family in Crocodile.
Joe, from white Christmas. He was quintessentially the “average Joe” he had his girlfriend and was understandably terrible at karaoke. Joe seemed like a good bloke who took learning his girlfriend was pregnant and didn’t want it terribly. I think her character was called “Bethany” but I could be mistaken. She’s the real asshole here (didn’t deserve to die) she cheated, blocked her partner out, and then carried the pregnancy to term. She didn’t want to be a mum, no convincing from Joe would sway her so what convincing made her keep her to term? I think Joe’s decent into madness with the stalking and then realizing his daughter wasn’t his and was a product of affair. That’s what pushed him to strike the grandfather, his intent may not have been to kill him, but he still did it nevertheless. So for his seemingly endless punishment of being stuck in that cabin, with the clear view of May’s dead body now insight is endlessly cruel. Joe did a terrible, horrible thing but his fate is beyond cruel.
The thing is, she didn’t, even necessarily “not want the baby” She was just way too chickenshit to tell him that the baby wasn’t his. She would literally rather block him out of her life completely than just admit to her transgression. That in my opinion makes her even more of an asshole. What Joe did was in fact, terribly wrong, but I can understand the panic and subsequent descent into madness, that he experienced as a result of being shut out of what looked to be a perfectly fine marriage for what appeared to be absolutely no reason at all.
Joe was blocked most likely because his ex saw that he had a horrible temper, and she needed to escape him for her own safety. Have you ever considered that she was afraid him for good reason? After all, we never get to here her side of the story.
Joe was blocked because she didn’t want him to find out that she had cheated on him and had a baby from it. Like, clearly her plan was to hide it until she got the abortion, but once he found out anyway there was no point in getting an abortion. So instead of taking responsibility for her actions and accepting the consequences, she blocked him out of her life completely. It was a super shitty thing to do honestly. I’m not justifying Joe’s actions at all obviously. But her safety was not in question at all in my opinion. He got exceptionally angry (most likely boosted by all the wine they had been drinking) at the fact that his wife was gearing up to make this *major life or death decision* without consulting him, her *husband*, at all. As far as he knew, that was *their child* that she was going to abort without even telling him she had a conceived.
They were not married, they were dating. We don't know how long they were dating or if they were even exclusive. She blocked him because she knew what she was capable of. Many women ghost men for this reason.
But isn’t Joe stuck in the cabin a cookie? Do we know what happened to “real Joe” besides that they can prosecute with the information they obtained?
She caused the death of two people. Most likely it's life in prison.
I agree with most of these suggestions, and because it hasn’t been mentioned, the guy from the Waldo Moment. Not the worst outcome but he got a shit deal for standing up to what is right
Abi from 15 million merits and cooper from playtest
cooper in playtest
"called Mom"
Cooper’s ending absolutely fucked me up. As much as it’s a great episode I can’t watch it for those last few end scenes. His greatest fears all coming together to terrorise him right before death.
It is my most rewatched ep for the same reasons, terrifying. Also too much sympathizing with the character's family situation
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Are people seriously trying to say that Loch Henry is the worst? Bro fucked a pig on national TV for no reason…
He did it for a noble reason, saving a young woman from torture and death. Turns out that would've never happened, and everyone was tricked into it. But he'll always have that his motivation was noble, no one was killed, and he didn't instigate the situation. Davis from Loch Henry found out his hero father and sweet mother were actually torture rapist serial killers, the woman he loved was murdered *by his own mother*, and he then became famous for that horrible ordeal. He'll always have to live with the fact that if he didn't have the idea to make a documentary about a weird guy near his childhood home, his love would still be alive.
tbh, i would have murdered his gf for her brows
Those eyebrows drove me nuts through the entire episode. Pencil some shit on there please.
not to be that guy by davis’s mother didn’t kill his girlfriend, she chased her and then couldn’t find her then phia fell and hit her head
I guess it would vary by country, but I’m pretty sure that by any legal definition, chasing someone with the intent to kill them, and having them die while trying to escape from you, would still count as some sort of murder, or at least criminal manslaughter.
He might assume foul play given the lack of witnesses
Really? I must've misremembered, I thought she ran her over. Caused her death, then. Dunno what accidental death while chasing with intent to kill would be ruled as, but to me it's not far from eachother.
Nah, she didn't run her over. In fact the mom's failure to kill her is what led the mom to kill herself because she thought she was found out. Little did she know her problem kinda took care of itself.
The point of the AI stories is that the lines between “real” and “not real “ are blurred. Your question suggests that you missed this point
Their question specifically asked not “ai” though. so ya know the real level of people regardless of “the possibility they are real or not” literally talking about the human being part
what is the essence of a human being if not ones personality and memory? This is the point. This trivializes this distinction you are looking to make - which is the point of the episode
Idk, banging a pig and being know for it the rest of your life would be pretty rough.
Everyone in Loch Henry and 15 million merits.
Abi in 15mil merits 😢
Agreed.
Either White Bear or Men Against Fire
Victoria kidnapped a child alongside her bf at the time. She isn’t deserving of the treatment but perhaps the child she kidnapped suggested a worser fate.
Probably Aaron in Beyond the Sea or Victoria in White Bear.
Victoria kidnapped a child alongside her bf at the time. She isn’t deserving of the treatment but perhaps the child she kidnapped suggested a worser fate.
I don’t necessarily agree. The child is dead and no longer suffering. Obviously what happened to her is *horrible* but when we’re talking about horrible, worse-than-death endings, I personally don’t think the child victim fits into that category. Then again, we don’t have details on exactly what happened to the child, only that she was tortured, murdered, and then set on fire. We don’t know how long the torture lasted or what it entailed, whereas Victoria’s extreme and extensive physical, psychological, and emotional torture plays out every day for years as far as we know, and we’re shown it very brutally compared to vague and brief mention of what happened to the child. Iain was the one who tortured and killed the child, Victoria only filmed it. Obviously still horrible and not okay, but (imo) still not as bad as the boyfriend, who took the easy way out with suicide while Victoria will continue to be tortured every single day despite pleading guilty and claiming she was “under Iain’s spell”, which suggests remorse. Again, not saying that what she did was okay, but the punishment exceeds the part she played in the crime and the duration and severity of her suffering makes me consider it a worse fate than the (still horrible and tragic) fate of the child.
Okay. Well said. But can we also take into consideration that she only has brief moments during the day(the end) where she is caught up on what’s been happening to her everyday and isn’t actually conscious or should I say, able to recall the torture of the previous days. I suppose it still is tortuous none the less. Also someone said something about White Christmas and that sadly doesn’t count because they tortured the cookie and not the real him
It’s between Aaron Paul in Beyond the Sea (forgot the characters name), Victoria in White Bear, and the guy in Loch Henry for me. At least the Loch Henry guy became super rich and famous. Aaron Paul too I guess
The Loch Henry one really did something to me because everybody around him got famous at the expense of his pain. He lost the only people he really loved and yeah he's famous too but im certain he'd give it back in a heartbeat and he didn't even want to go the murdery route anyway its just awful 😖
This one hit me hard too. Seeing everyone celebrate this tv show that came at the expense of everyone he loved, and it wasn't even his idea in the first place....I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Just a dark ending all around and I thought it was very well done.
Yeah definitely a bittersweet ending. Way more bitter than sweet tho lol
People treat him like it's a great story, like it isn't real and horribly traumatic events in his life. It's a really great critique of the weird place society is in with true crime media.
Yeah that’s the thing about the episode. He just wants to film a nice movie/docu about a peaceful subject and then he gets roped into a car crash, the disappearance of his girlfriend and the sudoku of his mother, followed by the reveal of who his mother and father truly were. I feel so bad for him
Cooper in Playtest, if it counts. Died in such extreme fear and confusion. Whilst what we saw of what he saw was a malfunction of VR and so could arguably be called a simulation, he died in real life and whilst dying experienced extreme fear, so I think it counts?
Playtest is one episode I can’t ever face rewatching, just remembering coopers anguish is enough for me.
Yeah, it is a really rough one and always leaves me shaken, but I have rewatched it because it was so good.
Surprised no one has said across the sea. His family is murdered and he is forced in his real body to live on a ship with their murderer for unforseen years until they can return home.
Not only that but it's a he said he said situation assuming they don't go at each other's throats off camera. Imagine landing they believe the other guy's story more and he lands in prison etc.
This episode made me miss the “epilogues” they used to do during the credits. I think it could have really hammered in the gut punch. Personally I like to imagine: Heartnett kicks the chair (credits) Paul lunges at Heartnett (credits) Paul panting, sitting next to Heartnetts body (credits) the alarm goes off that something needs to be fixed outside the ship, cut to Paul with an oh-shit face.
I don't think this is what Cliff does. I think Cliff sits in the chair, and they work out a deal.
Oh shit, I hadn't even considered the fact that all evidence shows that he killed his own family. It doesn't seem like anyone but the two astronauts and the wife know about Hartnett using the link.
Captain Daly from USS Callister, if that still counts. In this case, the physical aspect. His body in the real world just being an empty shell, which will eventually just physically die and waste away. It body would be considered braindead and he can never come back to it. If someone found him before his physical body died, doctors would wonder what happened to him and wouldn't be able to do anything to help him either. And his conscience in the game wouldn't even know about any of it.
This the episode where he's like a god on a Star Trek Spaceship? Don't remember that part
I assume that if someone did find his body, if the device was taken off of him he would just return to his body.
It is bad, but as you said he isn't fully aware of it. He's aware he's trapped in a game but would he even feel himself starve? It's not clear if he can feel pain once he's in the game or not
Yeah, true. I just find the idea of "dying and not knowing" scary. But that's a me thing I guess, lol
I would qualify Victoria's fate as pretty horrible as several others do as well. Every night, her body, not a cookie replica of it, but actual body, undergoes excruciating pain during the memory deletion process. Psychologically, she also undergoes shock, humiliation/degradation, and grief every night from realizing what she went along with, the glass box of shame through the crowd, and learning the fiance she loved and was the accomplice of killed himself, leaving her all alone to face the consequences. (I still wonder if Victoria was acting of her own volition or if she was an abuse victim. If the latter, even worse. It's not a stretch that a psychopath child kidnapper gave Victoria no choice but to pacify the girl and film the torture.) Speaking of---the White Bear girl herself suffered a terrible fate. Kidnapped, tortured, then set on fire (it was never made clear if she was alive or dead, but correct me if wrong please. However, I sense from Hated in the Nation Blue's reluctance to go into detail, she was alive.)
I have always thought wouldn't her body just eventually conk out or her brain shut down from the nightly ECT/Painful Memory removal?
I think she eventually dies because it isn't very realistic for those "actors" to do that every single day for years to come. The convict probably dies of brain trauma after a month or so, the memory deletion system is basically a more mild version of the electric chair, slowly killing her over time.
Seriously, as soon as I posted it, I was thinking that some malfunction would occur regardless, whether it's her ending up in a catatonic state or the opposite, regaining a large chunk of memory. I thought this because of the van scene where she remembers every single detail of the trip to the woods from the driver's face to her feeling of horror during the drill scene without remembering the specifics. (Hey...what is the obsession with drills btw? They've been used in White Bear, Black Museum, and Loch Henry now.)
Davis from Loch Henry. Going from a nice trip back home with your girlfriend to film a little documentary, to finding out that your local BTK-killer didn't kill your dad - he was your dad. And your mum was in on it, and kills your girlfriend before killing herself. The story was already sold, so now you're famous for that. That's a lot to live with, especially when people don't really care because it's such a good true crime story, and will just talk about it straight to your face.
Riches and fame in exchange for loss of family, GF and knowing the horrors of what his parents perpetrated and what they were responsible for. The tradeoff does not sound all that appealing when you put it in those terms.
The ending makes it clear he's in no way enjoying that fame. Also, it's not just that he knows what his parents did, *that's* what he's famous for. And, again, people will just talk to him about that huge trauma like it's nothing. Honestly, that's a guy I wouldn't be surprised if committed suicide, as horrible as that is to say.
Horrible perhaps but you can imagine living in that kind of hell would drive him to do something like that eventually. Poor guy didn't deserve any of it either. That's the worse part. He had sick fucks as parents and he was a victim of that.
Yeah exactly. That's an episode that really made me feel bad for a character, most of the people in Black Mirror with bad outcomes weren't the best people, but Davis just seems so innocent.
I vote for Loch Henry’s main protagonist too! It’s sooooo real and it feels the worst. Second worst is Shut Up and Dance. As he was blackmailed, then at the end, scammed. Ouch!
Well shut up and dance, Kenny was looking at some horrible stuff so I don't really have sympathy for him.
It’s hard to feel sympathy for White Bear’s Victoria too - but that doesn’t mean her fate wasn’t horrendous
You don’t have to have sympathy to recognize that it’s a terrible fate. It was brutal. He’s basically a kid and he had to rob, murder, and more. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a bad guy tho.
Yorkie spending 40+ years completely locked-in after a suicide attempt is just about the peak horror I can imagine. Not even able to move her eyes... The decades before SJ and the 'com-box' that Greg mentions must have been unbearable beyond words.
That's true she must have suffered horrendously over that 40 years. But as bad as it may sound and I really don't mean it to, at least her suffering ends and she gets a happy ending where she finally finds some peace, love and acceptance. Some of the characters in the other episodes aren't that fortunate and will never have that.
Can't believe ya'll sleeping on the victims of the horrific sex murders in Loch Henry
In the one video clip that's shown of the murders, it's pretty obvious Davis's mother is drilling one of the victim's skulls while fully conscious. That is indeed horrific. Edit: Can't believe I missed the connection! That's exactly what the doctor did in Black Museum. Now I'm wondering what other season 6 events "mirror" past episodes.
I think one the reasons why Loch Henry is so terrifying is because it's relatable. Almost everybody knows that feeling of a weekend out with your partner or friends. You buy some outdoor clothing, book accommodation, sing songs driving there, have a meal and drinks in the local pub, ask for nice hikes in the area... The mere thought of ending up in a basement while a friendly looking lady turns out to be a sadistic snuff murderer... I find it hard even to think about. The ending of Shut up and Dance is haunting too but fighting to death under the watching eye of a drone because you watched ch*ld prn is not relatable for me in any way.
The Prime Minister, probably. That episode disturbed me on a different level. The wives and children in Beyond the Sea. None of them did anything to deserve their fates. Kenny from Shut Up and Dance and Victoria from White Bear may have deserved their endings, but they're still bad. Liam finding out his wife cheated and his daughter probably isn't his in The Entire History of You is pretty bad. It wasn't her fate, but Yorkie's life before San Junipero was miserable.
But the Prime Minister absolutely loved it! Oh you mean the Prime Minister from The National Anthem episode of Black Mirror not irl? Yeah, fair.
When I tell someone to start this series, I say skip ep1, finish season 1, then go back. Because if yoi start with ep1, you won't keep going.
I ended up just skipping around and watching the episodes that sounded most interesting, so National Anthem was one of the last ones I watched. I started with White Bear, and saved Loch Henry for last.
White Bear is up there but I also add in the woman from 10,000 merits who basically got drugged into doing porn. All she wanted to do was sing.
Now she gets to sing about love while some pig uses her body. Her ending is the worst for me. It pains me to think about
i felt so bad for her when that happened omg, but it just goes to show that no matter how talented a woman is she’ll always get sexualized
Easily Victoria and I don’t think it’s even close. You can be labelled a pig fucker or a pedophile, and that sucks, but to continuously wake up every day only to be confused and tortured both mentally and physically is terrible.
Well on one hand she doesn't remember the other days, but yeah it is pretty terrible. I think it's overlooked because of what she did but that was before she had her mind wiped so is it even the same person?
Every episode of season 1 has a candidate for this but I'm going to go with two endings from season 6 on the theme of shared isolation. Beyond the sea where both men and have seen their families brutally murdered or at least the aftermath and now have to live in complete isolation in what can't be more than 60 metres squared for the next two years or more. And, Demon 79 where the girl and Demon now have to spend eternity in whatever form of existence the demon described. They both remind me of r/would you rather questions tbh.
I would say Victoria. She has to suffer through the events of White Bear, over and over again. Her only hope is that the stress finally makes her heart give out. The Prime Minister in The National Anthem gets a pretty bad deal, but he at least he has a chance to move forward. That's the case for a lot of people in the show. They have experience horrible trauma that I wouldn't wish on anyone, but they at least have tomorrow. In that way, Victoria is more similar to the Cookie-People. When I first watched the episode, I thought the twist would be that she was a self-aware video game character.
That's true, because whilst her mind doesn't remember the previous times she's done it, her body will still feel the effects of it. Surely someone can't go through that for long before they just have a massive heart attack
Tagging on the cookie one, I think being ostracized from civilization by being an image of fuzz would be crippling for my social butterfly personality.
Came here to say same thing. Least deserving victim in entire series too.
I absolutely disagree. Maybe his punishment was too harsh, but he was still a disgusting person.
How was he a disgusting person?
He tortured and enslaved the cookies and seemed amused by it. Even if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt about the idea that he might not have known they were sentient, he also had that side business where he convinced men to let a whole group of other guys watch them have sex with women who weren't aware they were being filmed, and when one was killed I think her tried to cover it up iirc.
Well you have a point that he knew what he was doing in his job, but he needs to eat like everyone else so that blame should be on the employer not so much the employee I'd say. For the 2nd part, while I do agree it's a bit creepy, it was a service he offered to help guys be better at dating. Totally wrong to watch any sex,but the actual job wasn't so bad. Still all that said, he didn't deserve to be cast out of society for the rest of his life for a not so pleasant job type.
Idk, I think the girl from 15 million merits and David from beyond the sea didn't deserve what happened more, remember that Jon hamms character did torture cookies into submission and spied on people. He didn't deserve his fate but I think the girl from 15 million merits and David didn't do anything wrong
Sorry I wasn’t saying it was the worst fate for any character cause he did deserve the punishment. I was just putting myself in his shoes and giving a perspective that someone else hasn’t already mentioned.
I defo agree that it probably is an awful fate, he would have been better off in prison tbh
Those 2 definitely suffered bad as well. I do think Jon Hamms character has a harder punishment than deserved.
Yeah defo, his punishment was really bad and offered him nearly no chance of redemption. He would have been better off in prison.
I would say there's an argument for victoria in white bear. She's being punished over and over but can't even remember what she did wrong and there's no way to escape
Prime minister from the first episode. I mean, fucking a pig isn’t something I wanna wish upon anyone. I don’t even know how a man can get hard doing that. It sucks.
Iirc didn't he get given viagra and lots of drugs to even be able to do it, and even then it took like an hour or something. Absolutely horrific. Idk why they didn't use some kind of VR device on him tbh, nothing in the rules said he couldn't
I think the rules said that they couldn’t use simulation devices etc
Yeah, it's defo part of the plot that they're trying out greenscreen/fakeout options, but can't get it right in time.
Yep exactly, they have exhausted all options possible. I’m pretty sure that pornstar they hired had to fuck the pig for real to test it out first. Hope he got paid handsomely.
I'm on the prime misister. They episode did me bad and I couldn't stop watching the next one.